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Re: Rafael Benítez
« Reply #8975 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 03:22:21 pm »
Yorkie and Wallace. :thup:

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« Reply #8976 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:03:44 pm »
Last season's squad was showing green shoots of promise but the only really positive addition is Rondon. Fernandez has started well but he's no better or worse than Lejeune. Ki is worse than Merino. Meanwhile, at least two of last season's best performers have massively regressed (Kenedy and Diame).


Yes but it's not like we have sold Lejeune, we have added Fernandez to an already strong area meaning we are certainly stronger there. Fernandez is an upgrade on Mbemba in this league for sure.

Also think it's unfair to say Kenedy has regressed, we're only 5 games in.

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« Reply #8977 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:07:08 pm »
Last season's squad was showing green shoots of promise but the only really positive addition is Rondon. Fernandez has started well but he's no better or worse than Lejeune. Ki is worse than Merino. Meanwhile, at least two of last season's best performers have massively regressed (Kenedy and Diame).


Yes but it's not like we have sold Lejeune, we have added Fernandez to an already strong area meaning we are certainly stronger there. Fernandez is an upgrade on Mbemba in this league for sure.

Also think it's unfair to say Kenedy has regressed, we're only 5 games in.

problem with the mbemba/fernandez swap is that mbemba could actually do a decent job at FB as well and i'd have had him in the team ahead of manquillo every day of the week
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Re: Rafael Benítez
« Reply #8978 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:13:24 pm »
Last season's squad was showing green shoots of promise but the only really positive addition is Rondon. Fernandez has started well but he's no better or worse than Lejeune. Ki is worse than Merino. Meanwhile, at least two of last season's best performers have massively regressed (Kenedy and Diame).


Yes but it's not like we have sold Lejeune, we have added Fernandez to an already strong area meaning we are certainly stronger there. Fernandez is an upgrade on Mbemba in this league for sure.

Also think it's unfair to say Kenedy has regressed, we're only 5 games in.

Fair. :thup: I wrote squad where I meant first team.

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« Reply #8979 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:16:46 pm »
In which case I'd agree. Although it's a good job we got Fernandez with Lejeune being injured, otherwise we would be significantly weaker there until his return. We certainly didn't do enough in the transfer window, not even close; but I personally don't think it was horrendous (not saying you do, like). I think we're stronger, just about.

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« Reply #8980 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:18:11 pm »
We are stronger in terms of squad depth but our starting eleven is more or less the same.

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« Reply #8981 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:22:04 pm »
Last season's squad was showing green shoots of promise but the only really positive addition is Rondon. Fernandez has started well but he's no better or worse than Lejeune. Ki is worse than Merino. Meanwhile, at least two of last season's best performers have massively regressed (Kenedy and Diame).


Yes but it's not like we have sold Lejeune, we have added Fernandez to an already strong area meaning we are certainly stronger there. Fernandez is an upgrade on Mbemba in this league for sure.

Also think it's unfair to say Kenedy has regressed, we're only 5 games in.

problem with the mbemba/fernandez swap is that mbemba could actually do a decent job at FB as well and i'd have had him in the team ahead of manquillo every day of the week

I really like Fernandez, he's not only a proper defender who does the dirty work well, he showed some nice touches going forward as well when we were chasing the game. That cross was a belter, shows what we are missing by not having quality full backs.

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« Reply #8982 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:23:51 pm »
We are stronger in terms of squad depth but our starting eleven is more or less the same.

Is it though? We've replaced Mbemba with someone I'd have thought would at least replace Clark as 3rd choice yet we've still started Clark for the majority of the season over Schar, Ki isn't as good as Merino imo, and I don't care whether Mitrovic was suited to Benitez's game or not, I don't think we've got any strikers on the books better than him. We don't have a single back-up left-back (not even a Gamez or Haidara) either.
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« Reply #8983 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:46:55 pm »
For me it feels like we're a club with no heart this season. Rafa will do his best but from the very top of the club the apathy, carelessness and vindictiveness is killing the team, killing any hope.

may be something in this i guess, last season was about exceeding expectations and so forth

this season we've deliberately had the chair kicked out from under us by ashley, has probably had an impact on everyone

Aye, last season was more of an unknown as we'd just come up (again) but actively sabotaging your own club this season really is peak Ashley, then again he's been doing it for years.

To me it is understandable why the players will be demoralised this season.  I guess everyone could see it happening apart from Ashley and his cronies.

They played their hearts out last season and got us to a decent position in the league.  Then what happens?  The players all come out asking for the manager to be backed.  Ashley won't do it because Rafa won't sign the contract because Ashley won't sanction improvements to the infrastructure.  The result being that he is only allowed to bring a player in if one leaves.  This leads to players like Ritchie and Gayle being unsettled because they don't want to leave and neither does Rafa want them to leave but he needs to improve the squad and is not allowed to add to it.  Hayden wants to leave - even does the decent thing and actually puts in a transfer request - but is not allowed to leave because Rafa knows he will not be able to afford anyone  better.  Then comes the annual dispute with players over bonuses - supposedly based on unattainable targets.

So why should the players feel motivated to repeat last season's efforts?  The owner clearly isn't interested or grateful for last season or even capable of comprehending what an enormous effort it was from everyone.  His attitude is if they finished 10th, then that cuts him some slack as they can afford to drop a few places.  He has no interest in rewarding them or motivating them to do better than last year.

And the players brought in?  All from relegated clubs or ones that were involved in relegation battles.

Along with the difficult start and the gradual realisation that this season is going to be even more of a struggle and certainly not one to enjoy - either by players or fans, then it is not hard to see why players are not performing to the same levels.  I am sure they are giving their all but will have been subconsciously affected by Ashley's decision making.

And Rafa's situation is probably the main issue.  The players have all bought into him but if he leaves, where does that leave them?  It has never worked when players know a manager is leaving and almost always, the manager does end up leaving before the end of the season.

So what happens next?  Palace and Leicester will be difficult, then it is Man Utd.  Where will we be then?  If Ashley wouldn't back Rafa with 12 months left on his contract why would he do it with 6 months left?  Does that mean he sacks Rafa?  I wouldn't be surprised if he is waiting for the opportunity just like he did with Hughton.  And no doubt the next manager will be given significant transfer funds as another kick in the teeth for Rafa with the underlying message that it was all Rafa's fault for not signing the contract.

Very well made points, in particular about why the players are down and struggling to hit last years highs.

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« Reply #8984 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:50:47 pm »
If Rafa doesn't want to play a player, you should take him away from the equation. Aarons, Mitrovic, Lazaar, Mbemba, in a way Gamaz etc. So in this perspective the number of players that we "would" and "could" play definitely improves.

Our squad massively overachieved last season imo. Merino didn't play much in our 2nd half of the season and it's Shelvey Diame and Perez trio that really shined in our midfield.

I ain't that concerned about the results so far.  Any point is a bonus. What I concern is the signings.  I don't understand why but it seems Rafa doesn't trust them.

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« Reply #8985 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:56:26 pm »
If Rafa doesn't want to play a player, you should take him away from the equation. Aarons, Mitrovic, Lazaar, Mbemba, in a way Gamaz etc. So in this perspective the number of players that we "would" and "could" play definitely improves.

Our squad massively overachieved last season imo. Merino didn't play much in our 2nd half of the season and it's Shelvey Diame and Perez trio that really shined in our midfield.

I ain't that concerned about the results so far.  Any point is a bonus. What I concern is the signings.  I don't understand why but it seems Rafa doesn't trust them.

Probably because most were 4th to 5th choices.

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« Reply #8986 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:58:19 pm »
I thought Rafa has said he felt some of the new signings needed time to adapt or get fit and thats why they are being eased in. I dont believe its a trust thing.

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« Reply #8987 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:02:47 pm »
I thought Rafa has said he felt some of the new signings needed time to adapt or get fit and thats why they are being eased in. I dont believe its a trust thing.

It's nearly two months into the season now, you would like to think someone like Muto can offer a bit more than Perez or Joselu. They might press the defenders as per Rafa's instructions, but they just don't offer enough threat in the penalty area.

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« Reply #8988 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:10:53 pm »
I thought Rafa has said he felt some of the new signings needed time to adapt or get fit and thats why they are being eased in. I dont believe its a trust thing.

It's nearly two months into the season now, you would like to think someone like Muto can offer a bit more than Perez or Joselu. They might press the defenders as per Rafa's instructions, but they just don't offer enough threat in the penalty area.

Bearing in mind most of them didn't really get a pre-season with us it doesn't surprise me in the least. They may be better players who can offer more individually but Rafa's all about the collective. He probably wants to have coached them for longer, hence all his comments at the beginning of the window about getting players in ASAP.

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« Reply #8989 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:13:13 pm »
If Rafa doesn't want to play a player, you should take him away from the equation. Aarons, Mitrovic, Lazaar, Mbemba, in a way Gamaz etc. So in this perspective the number of players that we "would" and "could" play definitely improves.

Our squad massively overachieved last season imo. Merino didn't play much in our 2nd half of the season and it's Shelvey Diame and Perez trio that really shined in our midfield.

I ain't that concerned about the results so far.  Any point is a bonus. What I concern is the signings.  I don't understand why but it seems Rafa doesn't trust them.

Probably because most were 4th to 5th choices.

Surely it's better to not sign them then and not get judged on them as your signings? That's what my dad keeps saying when I'm on about Ashley. Just keeps saying he's right not to trust Rafa with money even though I point out they aren't his choices he just says don't sign them then

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« Reply #8990 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:37:04 pm »
It was mental to think Diame would have been capable of maintaining his form from last season.

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« Reply #8991 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:38:37 pm »
If Rafa doesn't want to play a player, you should take him away from the equation. Aarons, Mitrovic, Lazaar, Mbemba, in a way Gamaz etc. So in this perspective the number of players that we "would" and "could" play definitely improves.

Our squad massively overachieved last season imo. Merino didn't play much in our 2nd half of the season and it's Shelvey Diame and Perez trio that really shined in our midfield.

I ain't that concerned about the results so far.  Any point is a bonus. What I concern is the signings.  I don't understand why but it seems Rafa doesn't trust them.

Probably because most were 4th to 5th choices.

Surely it's better to not sign them then and not get judged on them as your signings? That's what my dad keeps saying when I'm on about Ashley. Just keeps saying he's right not to trust Rafa with money even though I point out they aren't his choices he just says don't sign them then

Well at least now we know where you get it from.

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« Reply #8992 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:59:44 pm »
Don’t disagree at all that Rafa “doesnt care” which I’ve seen in some prior posts. He’s committed as ever to succeeded at his job. Whatever it is.

He def made some mistakes in team selection IMO.

But then again our fixture list is redic, 2-1 losses to spurs, Chelsea, city and arsenal.
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« Reply #8993 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 07:05:53 pm »
It was mental to think Diame would have been capable of maintaining his form from last season.
He has been average most of his career just a golden season then back down to bang average .

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« Reply #8994 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 07:14:18 pm »
It was mental to think Diame would have been capable of maintaining his form from last season.
Maybe, but how much has the debacle of the summer had an affect on his confidence and motivation ? Same goes for everyone really.
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« Reply #8995 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 07:48:21 pm »
Were 2nd bottom on goal difference. I apologise.
 

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« Reply #8996 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 08:09:55 pm »
For me it feels like we're a club with no heart this season. Rafa will do his best but from the very top of the club the apathy, carelessness and vindictiveness is killing the team, killing any hope.

may be something in this i guess, last season was about exceeding expectations and so forth

this season we've deliberately had the chair kicked out from under us by ashley, has probably had an impact on everyone

Aye, last season was more of an unknown as we'd just come up (again) but actively sabotaging your own club this season really is peak Ashley, then again he's been doing it for years.

To me it is understandable why the players will be demoralised this season.  I guess everyone could see it happening apart from Ashley and his cronies.

They played their hearts out last season and got us to a decent position in the league.  Then what happens?  The players all come out asking for the manager to be backed.  Ashley won't do it because Rafa won't sign the contract because Ashley won't sanction improvements to the infrastructure.  The result being that he is only allowed to bring a player in if one leaves.  This leads to players like Ritchie and Gayle being unsettled because they don't want to leave and neither does Rafa want them to leave but he needs to improve the squad and is not allowed to add to it.  Hayden wants to leave - even does the decent thing and actually puts in a transfer request - but is not allowed to leave because Rafa knows he will not be able to afford anyone  better.  Then comes the annual dispute with players over bonuses - supposedly based on unattainable targets.

So why should the players feel motivated to repeat last season's efforts?  The owner clearly isn't interested or grateful for last season or even capable of comprehending what an enormous effort it was from everyone.  His attitude is if they finished 10th, then that cuts him some slack as they can afford to drop a few places.  He has no interest in rewarding them or motivating them to do better than last year.

And the players brought in?  All from relegated clubs or ones that were involved in relegation battles.

Along with the difficult start and the gradual realisation that this season is going to be even more of a struggle and certainly not one to enjoy - either by players or fans, then it is not hard to see why players are not performing to the same levels.  I am sure they are giving their all but will have been subconsciously affected by Ashley's decision making.

And Rafa's situation is probably the main issue.  The players have all bought into him but if he leaves, where does that leave them?  It has never worked when players know a manager is leaving and almost always, the manager does end up leaving before the end of the season.

So what happens next?  Palace and Leicester will be difficult, then it is Man Utd.  Where will we be then?  If Ashley wouldn't back Rafa with 12 months left on his contract why would he do it with 6 months left?  Does that mean he sacks Rafa?  I wouldn't be surprised if he is waiting for the opportunity just like he did with Hughton.  And no doubt the next manager will be given significant transfer funds as another kick in the teeth for Rafa with the underlying message that it was all Rafa's fault for not signing the contract.

Great post, absolutely nailed it.

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« Reply #8997 on: Monday 17 September 2018, 01:52:12 am »
I thought Rafa has said he felt some of the new signings needed time to adapt or get fit and thats why they are being eased in. I dont believe its a trust thing.

It's nearly two months into the season now, you would like to think someone like Muto can offer a bit more than Perez or Joselu. They might press the defenders as per Rafa's instructions, but they just don't offer enough threat in the penalty area.

Bearing in mind most of them didn't really get a pre-season with us it doesn't surprise me in the least. They may be better players who can offer more individually but Rafa's all about the collective. He probably wants to have coached them for longer, hence all his comments at the beginning of the window about getting players in ASAP.

So is Murphy "settled" now?

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« Reply #8998 on: Monday 17 September 2018, 07:34:17 am »
Has there been any mention from pundits that the two teams we set up to defend against this season, with Rafa getting stick, put 4 each past teams where goal difference might be important for survival come the end of the season?
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« Reply #8999 on: Monday 17 September 2018, 09:00:47 am »
Has there been any mention from pundits that the two teams we set up to defend against this season, with Rafa getting stick, put 4 each past teams where goal difference might be important for survival come the end of the season?

None from what ive seen.

Edit:  Most pundits dont care about teams lving at the bottom end of the table, all they want to see is the top six spanking teams week in - week out and woe be tired if a bottom half of the table team stifles a game and ruins their afternoon.