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Offline SteV

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9275 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 04:03:56 PM »
Perhaps, but that's a separate point entirely.

Offline Ian W

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9276 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 04:09:01 PM »
I don't believe Bishop has much influence, he doesn't need to. The idiots in the local press just need to pretend Newcastle are a functioning club and talk about day-to-day issues, because it's what fills the paper and it's what they're capable of writing.

Offline Scoreboard82

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9277 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 04:23:28 PM »
We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice.

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9278 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 04:26:11 PM »
Give it another season or two, the Toon Army will turn on him quicker than they did Pards!
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Offline ToonArmy1892

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9279 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 04:31:51 PM »
Give it another season or two, the Toon Army will turn on him quicker than they did Pards!

I already hate him.

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« Reply #9280 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 04:36:13 PM »
I don’t hate him oddly enough, he’s just a s*** manager who will do a s*** job. I can’t comment now as I’ve not seen them play under him. Points to games ratio is decent to be fair though and their position in the table. Wait until the 8-10 game no win streak kicks in though with a few heavy thumpings in between, hopefully starting against Man City.
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Offline TRon

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9281 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 05:05:27 PM »
We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice.

Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job.

I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club.

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« Reply #9282 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 05:07:39 PM »
We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice.

Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job.

I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club.

Most of the Toon Army would be happy with 15th every season under Bruce’s expansive football...
Wee Hughie - the greatest centre-forward Newcastle United ever had

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9283 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 05:07:57 PM »
The players will soon look to follow Rafa...
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Offline YNGLEGIONNAIRE

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9284 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 06:27:04 PM »
Quote from: Scoreboard82 link=topic=103091.msg7104360#msg7104360 8date=1573835008
What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude.
This viewpoint is becoming depressingly more prevalent.

Offline TRon

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9285 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 06:30:25 PM »
We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice.

Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job.

I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club.

Most of the Toon Army would be happy with 15th every season under Bruce’s expansive football...

It does seem like that. I never used to think we had such a low opinion of ourselves as a football city but I guess I was wrong.

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9286 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 07:16:39 PM »
The players will soon look to follow Rafa...

Why would they? They get paid tens of thousands of pounds a week to play Premier League football, regardless of who the manager is. Players leave football clubs if the move suits them, i.e. cos they'll get more money/more glory/more chance of an international call-up. They don't leave out of principle re the board's handling of managers.

Offline Odear

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9287 on: Friday 15 November 2019, 09:35:41 PM »
It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team.

He’ll get found out then I’m sure. But for this season it feels like am still watching a Benitez team so I’ve been enjoying it more than I thought I would.
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Offline ZeRoE

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9288 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 11:33:30 AM »
It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team.

He’ll get found out then I’m sure. But for this season it feels like am still watching a Benitez team so I’ve been enjoying it more than I thought I would.

:thup:

Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #9289 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 12:10:29 PM »
It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team.

He’ll get found out then I’m sure.

Offline xLiaaamx

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« Reply #9290 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 12:13:10 PM »
That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted.

Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently?

Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #9291 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 12:15:51 PM »
That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted.

Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently?


No it suggests after a longer period of time you get a more true reflection.

We saw constant progression over 3 years points wise under Rafa Benitez, will we under Bruce?

Offline sadnesstan

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« Reply #9292 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 12:27:32 PM »
Change manager each year and it'll be like Rafa never left.

Offline ManDoon

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« Reply #9293 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 12:39:13 PM »
That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted.

Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently?

No, but if a manager takes over a well drilled team and doesn't change it (Like Bruce tried to do) they can coast off the previous managers good work for a while. Same principle applies to new manger bounce when they take over a team doing badly.
:lol: I dunno. I'm starting to think it was us.
Trump will do well man. Don't know why but I really feel this will be the case. Really hope it will come to be that way.

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Offline Optimistic Nut

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9294 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 02:38:03 PM »
That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted.

Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently?

No, but if a manager takes over a well drilled team and doesn't change it (Like Bruce tried to do) they can coast off the previous managers good work for a while. Same principle applies to new manger bounce when they take over a team doing badly.

Dalglish after Keegan too. Made a couple of tweaks (Elliott for Ginola being a surprisingly successful one for instance) and while we improved end of that season, he couldn’t improve it. Souness for a while after Robson had a decent run before the s*** set in...I see the same here.
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Offline neesy111

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9295 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 02:41:56 PM »
That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted.

Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently?

No, but if a manager takes over a well drilled team and doesn't change it (Like Bruce tried to do) they can coast off the previous managers good work for a while. Same principle applies to new manger bounce when they take over a team doing badly.

Dalglish after Keegan too. Made a couple of tweaks (Elliott for Ginola being a surprisingly successful one for instance) and while we improved end of that season, he couldn’t improve it. Souness for a while after Robson had a decent run before the s*** set in...I see the same here.

:thup:

Also with Bruce and Dalglish.  They took over a team that wasn't in bad form etc.

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9296 on: Saturday 16 November 2019, 04:10:10 PM »
The problem will be when Bruce has to buy and coach a keeper and defenders.