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Offline TK-421

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:09:48 AM »
Some folk inside saying there was no sign of alarms or sprinklers activating.

Unfortunately, sprinklers and full alert fire alarms aren't always mandatory in general occupancy housing. As mentioned by someone else, often in these type of buildings due to nature/age of varied tenants, the policy is to have smoke/heat detection in every flat, and only smoke detection (no sounders/alarms) in circulation/communal spaces. If the fires in your flat, leave - if its elsewhere in the building and you can't get out safely, you stay put till you can be rescued.

Up here at least, Your Homes Newcastle are installing sprinkler systems in all of their new builds and refurbs.

However, sprinkler systems are for localised fire fighting, and would do little to help in a situation like this, where the building has been engulfed from the outside.
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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:14:03 AM »
So frightening this like, almost everyone down here lives in a flat on an upper floor and this is your worst nightmare.

Hope the amount of people who have died is minimal but everything you see/hear does not look good :(

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:17:38 AM »
Sounds like a lot of lives were saved because there were residents up late for Ramadan.

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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:18:46 AM »
The action group have blogs going back months about how dangerous it is.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:23:21 AM »
Sounds like a lot of lives were saved because there were residents up late for Ramadan.

According to twitter there were loads of muslims celebrating the deaths :rolleyes:

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« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:30:50 AM »
The action group have blogs going back months about how dangerous it is.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

News just spoken to the guy who wrote that post.  Lived on the 16th floor but made it out.

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:36:21 AM »
Kid being interviewed saying he can't get hold of some of his friends who lived there.  :(

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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:39:25 AM »
Kid being interviewed saying he can't get hold of some of his friends who lived there.  :(

Hearing a lot of that, hopefully with some it's a case of them rushing out without picking up their phones.

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:48:01 AM »
Just awful.

The landlord and the company who worked on the refurbishment literally have blood on their hands.

Very scummy from http://www.rydon.co.uk/ to take down web pages linking them to the work they did there.
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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:51:50 AM »
always takes a tragedy to highlight s*** that's f***ing obvious

wonder if this one ends up at the government's door in the end, total speculation but relaxing of regs and/or reduction in regulatory body funding etc. would not surprise me one bit
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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 09:54:01 AM »
always takes a tragedy to highlight s*** that's f***ing obvious

wonder if this one ends up at the government's door in the end, total speculation but relaxing of regs and/or reduction in regulatory body funding etc. would not surprise me one bit

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/firefighters-cry-as-10-london-stations-including-clerkenwell-close-due-to-cuts-9050079.html

Some of these fire stations were within a few miles.

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« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:06:14 AM »
always takes a tragedy to highlight s*** that's f***ing obvious

wonder if this one ends up at the government's door in the end, total speculation but relaxing of regs and/or reduction in regulatory body funding etc. would not surprise me one bit

There's not a magic money tree to make buildings safe.  If you force landlords to spend money on fire safety they'll just go elsewhere.  The free market will deal with it and consumers will just choose not to live in deathtraps, naturally making everything safer over time.  Regulation doesn't help anyone, unless it's regulating if you're allowed to use Whatsapp or watch facesitting porn.

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:07:51 AM »
Just awful.

The landlord and the company who worked on the refurbishment literally have blood on their hands.

Very scummy from http://www.rydon.co.uk/ to take down web pages linking them to the work they did there.

The director has just hung up on ITV after he failed to answer any of their questions.

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« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:14:25 AM »
Hope someone slaps that t*** pratting about in the background on bbc news

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:16:37 AM »
always takes a tragedy to highlight s*** that's f***ing obvious

wonder if this one ends up at the government's door in the end, total speculation but relaxing of regs and/or reduction in regulatory body funding etc. would not surprise me one bit

There's not a magic money tree to make buildings safe.  If you force landlords to spend money on fire safety they'll just go elsewhere.  The free market will deal with it and consumers will just choose not to live in deathtraps, naturally making everything safer over time.  Regulation doesn't help anyone, unless it's regulating if you're allowed to use Whatsapp or watch facesitting porn.

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« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:20:32 AM »
Worthy of a thread, looks like it might be the worst disaster in this country since Lockerbie.  Multiple fatalities, 50 people in hospital so far.


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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:31:42 AM »
Eyewitnesses say a baby was thrown from the 10th floor and caught by someone on the ground.

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« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:33:21 AM »
Top post on Reddit about it being a disaster waiting to happen. Canny sickening.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6h4hdc/huge_inferno_in_west_london_tower_block/divl7af

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/

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The Grenfell Action Group predict that it won’t be long before the words of this blog come back to haunt the KCTMO management and we will do everything in our power to ensure that those in authority know how long and how appallingly our landlord has ignored their responsibility to ensure the heath and safety of their tenants and leaseholders. They can’t say that they haven’t been warned!

Jesus.

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:33:40 AM »
f***ing hell. That's hideous. Scary as f***.
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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:34:46 AM »
Holy f***

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:39:52 AM »
Smoke has just turned black, looks like the first has taken hold in another part of the building.

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« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:41:15 AM »
:(

Offline Kevo

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« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:49:52 AM »
Staying put is definitely the right thing to do in this sort of situation (if the building was safe - which we now know this wasn't). I was in a fire in Sunderland Road flats years ago and upon opening the door could see nothing but thick smoke. You have no idea where the fire is exactly/where it started/where it hasn't reached yet. Luckily for me the building was safe And the fire never reached anywhere outside of the main stairwell.

Tragic this situation. Hopefully there's as few deaths as possible. RIP to all.

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Re: London tower block fire
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:55:18 AM »
2017 is messed up

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« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 14 June 2017, 10:57:01 AM »
Still smouldering away, any danger it could collapse altogether?