Topic: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right

[BlufPurdi]

Going to be a few elections over the next few years, some worrying trends.  France, Holland, already Denmark, Hungary... Austria?  Might as well catch it all here and keep the Brexit s*** for the Brex-s***s thread.  STRICTLY NO BREXIT TALK.  BORED STIFF OF IT MATES.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/marine-le-pen-national-front-france-far-right-lebanon-not-found-a7595131.html

Love a Fisk takedown. 

[Darth Crooks]

Good luck with that.

[BlufPurdi]

Good luck with that.

I got the power.

I suspect this thread will die a bit until election days in France, but there we go.  Toondave might humour me.

[B-more Mag]

Countdown to Frexit.

[Mike]

Bluf loves an election.

[Northerngimp]

Not forgetting the mess that's in Italy at the moment either.

[BlufPurdi]

Bluf loves an election.

Politics consumes me.  Probably why I've made nothing of my life.  

[cp40]

Bluf loves an election.

Politics consumes me.  Probably why I've made nothing of my life.  

go and be a politician?

[thomas]

Bluf loves an election.

[B-more Mag]

Bluf loves an election.

Politics consumes me.  Probably why I've made nothing of my life.  

go and be a politician?

He already said he'd made nothing of his life.

[BlufPurdi]

[Klaus]

But what about brexit and all that eh

[La Parka]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

[Kaizero]

On the other hand, we've had a right wing government for the past four years here in Norway and nothing is more certain than the fact they're about to be kicked the f*** out in November. Approval has never been as low and they're tanking in all the polls (then again polls seem to mean nothing anymore ).

[Varadi]

The French election is huge - if Le Pen wins there it's a disaster for the EU and continuation of the global slide to the right.

It seems the opposing parties are prepared to do pretty much whatever it takes to stop her in terms of forming alliances, but it only takes 1 terrorist incident between now and the election to flip the whole thing on it's head. With rumours of Russian involvement again don't rule out some massive breaking scandal about Macron (fake or otherwise) some time in the next couple of months.

I actually know a couple of people whose world view has become so distorted by the whole Brexit/anti-EU furore that they're genuinely rooting for a Le Pen win. Really worrying times.

[Pata]

On the other hand, we've had a right wing government for the past four years here in Norway and nothing is more certain than the fact they're about to be kicked the f*** out in November. Approval has never been as low and they're tanking in all the polls (then again polls seem to mean nothing anymore ).

Same here, "Perussuomalaiset" got into government after last elections with over 20% of the votes, now they are at below 10% (polls )and close to becoming irrelevant again.

[mrmojorisin75]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

[Northerngimp]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

[Darth Crooks]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

[Northerngimp]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

[mrmojorisin75]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)

[Toondave]

For all the talk of Russia fuelling this march to war, what do they benefit? I'm not convinced they have any territorial aims beyond retaining access to the Mediterranean. Theres someone else who would benefit greatly from a war between Europe and Russia though, make a bit of money before their coming war with China.

(parky pls come back)

[Northerngimp]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)

So you are predicting war but have no idea who the combatant nations would be???

[Darth Crooks]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

There are already proxy wars between the US/'coalition' and Russia in the middle East. There are huge racial tensions in France on a civil level and we're at war with an extreme but wholly prevalent ideology in radical Islam. The rise of extreme right wing in terms of realpolitik will only increase these tensions that lead to proxy/civil or open war. We're in the age of proxy/ideological/digitial/covert warfare that's a lot harder to pinpoint than say the days of the triple entente and Austro-Germany.

[mrmojorisin75]

Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)

So you are predicting war but have no idea who the combatant nations would be???

it would depend on who is elected where and what type of protectionism/nationalist policies they implement obviously, why is that hard?

it's what i believe the 'rise of the right' will lead to but i can neither predict things exactly any better than you can provide evidence it won't happen