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« Reply #5100 on: Tuesday 24 March 2020, 05:47:21 PM »
@HTT love when you recount the old times man, a well of knowledge on the Toon :thup:

I'd def agree on Acuna, Domi. I had high hopes for the random signings - Daniel Cordone, Andreas Anderson. :lol:

Cheers :lol:

I thought Kevin Gallagher was underrated, or rather the job he did/his stint here when he played. An old head on young shoulder who had a bit of pace, worked his socks off and give us a bit of movement/fresh legs despite his age and some selfless running.

He’s another player who for whatever reason had more talent than many knew and could have had a more stellar career at the right club under the right manager when he was younger. Think of a slightly slower, but less radge and maybe a less hit and miss when one one one Bellamy. Or a PL level Lovenkrands who was always Championship/SPL standard, albeit at the top end.

I always thought Kitson was way better than he ended up showing. We beat off lots of teams for his signature and paid over 2m for him, a lot of money at the time when the record fee for an English club was only a million or so more.

Apparently he had a fall out with other team-mates and didn’t impress KK with his attitude either. For a spell at West Ham alongside Hartson he looked a very capable player, more so as a second striker/provider than a finisher.

Back then we had Andy Cole of course and were genuinely linked and interested in the likes of Baggio, Weah, Signori and any other top forward, domestically and internationally so Kitson like Huckerby another talented player we had on the books, were never going to shine. When KK worked with England under 21s, I think Fowler scored 5 and KK said to the board after that, if he had to sell anyone and had to spend whatever money would be available to him over 2 seasons or so even, he’d happily put it all together to buy Fowler.

He knew not even at 20-25m NUFC stood zero chance of getting Fowler who by the way I noted as saying he loved working under KK. But that’s how we thought, that’s what we were prepared to do and pay to land the best. Of course we ended up breaking a world record transfer fee for Shearer, almost double the then British record. The headlines back then man, you’d think we ruining football.

The truth is KK never pushed for Shearer, the board did, he was every bit a commercial signing as much as he was signed to give the team star quality. KK of course wasn’t going to refuse, but I think he would have if his signing was only made possible on the proviso that he’d have to sell to buy after that and the bulk of the reasoning behind his signing was for commercial purposes first and foremost.

Back then KK was steering the club/finances towards foreign markets where players’ values weren’t so big and could be had by paying them bigger salaries which the club could manage/achieve by way of doing what was customary in say Italy, top ups, bonus and incentives.

From everything I’ve learned the club would have paid 25m for Shearer because the money was tied into a more commercial deal others namely S&N were in on, a deal that would also help the club maximise its IPO appeal and markability by having the golden boy of English football, the European Championship golden boot holder, the world’s most expensive footballer, the England Captain and Geordie boy coming home superstar signed up.

Great KK thought, but not at the expense of the team and success. Otherwise he’d have never signed him. We were looking at all kinds back then, namely foreign players as KK didn’t quite rate the top English strikers at that time, after all he sold Andy Cole.

Davor Suker, Signori, Batistuta, Hakon Suker, Baggio, Del Piero, Bergkamp before he went to Arsenal, Weah before he went to PSG, a young Henry and Fowler again were all players that interested KK after Cole was sold and Ferdinand had signed, either over or along with Shearer. KK rated him, but I don’t think he fancied him anywhere near as much as the club certainly did.

Fergie probably fancied him more and I’m positive although can’t back it up that some behind the scenes dealing went on between NUFC and Jack Walker to get the deal done at a fixed 15m Man Utd could have easily matched. As a PLC though they were reluctant to get into a bidding war and couldn’t sweeten deals under hand behind closed doors. Not that Walker would have entertained them in such a way anyway because he would only do business with them in a cash up front deal and for a lot more than 15m. He hated them.

Would Fergie have paid whatever it took though if he could in the same way NUFC would? 100%. KK, he’d have preferred paying whatever it took on Fowler or Del Piero.

The deal was worth more to the soon to be PLC NUFC and its partners the most though and as signings go, 206 goals, over a decade service etc. Shearer was the bargain of the century for them. It cost the club KK though and put the commercial value of its players above the value of their worth to the team’s success which if anyone is ever in doubt as to what signing Shearer was all about for the board/the business vs the manager and his team, stripping Ferdinand of the number 9 and giving it to Shearer, tells you, or should, all you need to know about everything behind the signing the most. £££££££

Fergie wanted Shearer to strengthen his team to help them win trophies. KK OK’d Shearer because he was a great player offered to him on a plate who would strengthen his team and help win trophies, providing he wouldn’t be the only or last one or meant he’d lose a Ferdinand or a Ginola. Shearer signing for Man Utd was a commercial prize on offer too, but worth nowhere near to them as much as he was to NUFC or their commercial partners as a brand and in marketable terms.

As a PLC they would have had to justify paying the 20m or so on him and Fergie would have had to balance the books all the same. Maybe they would have had to have sold Cole who Arsenal, Spurs, Rangers and Juventus were rumoured to be willing to pay upto 10m + for. Or Giggs who Juventus were rumoured to be willing to pay upto 15m plus a player in exchange for at that time.

Back then Fergie was complaining he couldn’t compete with the likes of us in the transfer market, had warned fans he would have to sell in order to buy and that despite beating NUFC to the title a year earlier to us signing Shearer with kids, he was actually forced to play them and into selling the likes of Ince, Sharpe and Kanchelskis to sign Cole, May, Poborsky etc. for example.

So Shearer, our greatest ever goals-scorer, our greatest ever player arguably, but his signing signed sealed and delivered the end of KK and all that the club stood for during his time as manager. 15m on Shearer showed NUFC’s intent to win off the pitch commercially, not on the pitch to win titles.

KK cottoned onto that straight away and rightly wasn’t going to play along with it all, not for any salary, not where selling the number 9 to Ferdinand so he’d chose us and sign rather than Villa or whoever one year and the next he’d be robbing off him to sell to someone else to wear, Geordie or not. You see the shirt mattered to KK, number 9 or number 5, the black and white of Newcastle can’t be traded or compromised. He was lucky enough to wear his dad’s team’s colours and all those that did were fortunate to do the same.

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« Reply #5101 on: Tuesday 24 March 2020, 09:44:44 PM »
I was watching Shearer on Soccerbox on Sunday and it doesn't really tie in with your story. Shearer met with Keegan and then Ferguson and Shearer was 90% certain he was going to Man Utd. Keegan rang again and asked for another half hour with Shearer to convince him to sign - and succeeded.

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« Reply #5102 on: Tuesday 24 March 2020, 10:24:24 PM »
I heard he wasn't allowed to go to ManUtd due to his agent having an issue with them.

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« Reply #5103 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 07:56:41 AM »
I love reading HTT's posts  :D

Aaron Hughes gets my vote - one who hasn't been mentioned who I liked was Alain Goma!

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« Reply #5104 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 11:17:50 AM »
Who did that 11/12 season review YT vid to Florence & Machine - Shake It Out? Just came on the radio, always the first thing I think of when I hear it. Slightly tainted because The King, but what a f***ing season that was. :aww:

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« Reply #5105 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 11:30:43 AM »
Who did that 11/12 season review YT vid to Florence & Machine - Shake It Out? Just came on the radio, always the first thing I think of when I hear it. Slightly tainted because The King, but what a f***ing season that was. :aww:

HBA vs Bolton and HBA vs Blackburn  :smitten: :love: No other Newcastle player, at least in the last 30 years, would be able to that except him.
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« Reply #5106 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 01:40:04 PM »
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« Reply #5107 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 02:16:16 PM »
Loved Jon Champion's commentary of that game.

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« Reply #5108 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 04:49:02 PM »
I was watching Shearer on Soccerbox on Sunday and it doesn't really tie in with your story. Shearer met with Keegan and then Ferguson and Shearer was 90% certain he was going to Man Utd. Keegan rang again and asked for another half hour with Shearer to convince him to sign - and succeeded.

He has said many conflicting things as have others. He did speak to Man Utd (players could speak to clubs back then without club’s permissions like now). Walker would have sold for less to anyone other than Man Utd and made it almost impossible for them to deal with him. NUFC/S&N/Adidas would have paid whatever it took together to get Shearer. Once KK had his magic way there was no chance Shearer was going anywhere but home full stop.

People forget at that time, although they were the Champions, we were regarded as the more ambitious and more likely to dethrone them and go on to keep winning. Shearer absolutely made the right decision not just in terms of his own ambitions as a player but financially and of course in terms of his family.

It never quite worked out as intended, but I’m sure glad I got to see him in our number 9 banging them in.
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« Reply #5109 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 05:03:37 PM »
I was watching Shearer on Soccerbox on Sunday and it doesn't really tie in with your story. Shearer met with Keegan and then Ferguson and Shearer was 90% certain he was going to Man Utd. Keegan rang again and asked for another half hour with Shearer to convince him to sign - and succeeded.

He has said many conflicting things as have others. He did speak to Man Utd (players could speak to clubs back then without club’s permissions like now). Walker would have sold for less to anyone other than Man Utd and made it almost impossible for them to deal with him. NUFC/S&N/Adidas would have paid whatever it took together to get Shearer. Once KK had his magic way there was no chance Shearer was going anywhere but home full stop.

People forget at that time, although they were the Champions, we were regarded as the more ambitious and more likely to dethrone them and go on to keep winning. Shearer absolutely made the right decision not just in terms of his own ambitions as a player but financially and of course in terms of his family.

It never quite worked out as intended, but I’m sure glad I got to see him in our number 9 banging them in.

Hypothetical here - if Shearer stayed fit in the 96/97 and KK stayed on full season would we have won the league? What would 97/98 look with KK at helm, and only certain areas of the team upgraded?
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« Reply #5110 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 05:26:36 PM »
I was watching Shearer on Soccerbox on Sunday and it doesn't really tie in with your story. Shearer met with Keegan and then Ferguson and Shearer was 90% certain he was going to Man Utd. Keegan rang again and asked for another half hour with Shearer to convince him to sign - and succeeded.

He has said many conflicting things as have others. He did speak to Man Utd (players could speak to clubs back then without club’s permissions like now). Walker would have sold for less to anyone other than Man Utd and made it almost impossible for them to deal with him. NUFC/S&N/Adidas would have paid whatever it took together to get Shearer. Once KK had his magic way there was no chance Shearer was going anywhere but home full stop.

People forget at that time, although they were the Champions, we were regarded as the more ambitious and more likely to dethrone them and go on to keep winning. Shearer absolutely made the right decision not just in terms of his own ambitions as a player but financially and of course in terms of his family.

It never quite worked out as intended, but I’m sure glad I got to see him in our number 9 banging them in.

Hypothetical here - if Shearer stayed fit in the 96/97 and KK stayed on full season would we have won the league? What would 97/98 look with KK at helm, and only certain areas of the team upgraded?

We were a few points off when he quit and had just beaten Spurs 7-1, I think we’d have went close again. KK stays and we kept investing and we win major honours. Appoint SBR and not Dalglish and we win something. Just look at what SBR did after season two here with a worse squad.
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« Reply #5111 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 05:40:06 PM »
I was watching Shearer on Soccerbox on Sunday and it doesn't really tie in with your story. Shearer met with Keegan and then Ferguson and Shearer was 90% certain he was going to Man Utd. Keegan rang again and asked for another half hour with Shearer to convince him to sign - and succeeded.

He has said many conflicting things as have others. He did speak to Man Utd (players could speak to clubs back then without club’s permissions like now). Walker would have sold for less to anyone other than Man Utd and made it almost impossible for them to deal with him. NUFC/S&N/Adidas would have paid whatever it took together to get Shearer. Once KK had his magic way there was no chance Shearer was going anywhere but home full stop.

People forget at that time, although they were the Champions, we were regarded as the more ambitious and more likely to dethrone them and go on to keep winning. Shearer absolutely made the right decision not just in terms of his own ambitions as a player but financially and of course in terms of his family.

It never quite worked out as intended, but I’m sure glad I got to see him in our number 9 banging them in.

Hypothetical here - if Shearer stayed fit in the 96/97 and KK stayed on full season would we have won the league? What would 97/98 look with KK at helm, and only certain areas of the team upgraded?

We were a few points off when he quit and had just beaten Spurs 7-1, I think we’d have went close again. KK stays and we kept investing and we win major honours. Appoint SBR and not Dalglish and we win something. Just look at what SBR did after season two here with a worse squad.

Or if we had got Van Gaal over Dalglish.

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« Reply #5112 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 05:41:57 PM »
We were interested in him, he’d have been a good fit, love the man personally.
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« Reply #5113 on: Wednesday 25 March 2020, 07:33:00 PM »
Dalglish and Souness man - f***ers.
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« Reply #5114 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 06:58:15 AM »
Loved Jon Champion's commentary of that game.

His commentary of us those few years on The Premiership, our European nights, probably ending with the Shearer Testimonial was fantastic.
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« Reply #5115 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 06:58:57 AM »
We were interested in him, he’d have been a good fit, love the man personally.

Cruyff as well.
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« Reply #5116 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 08:34:35 AM »
Had no idea we were interested in either of them. We’d be a super club right now if we font one or both them

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« Reply #5117 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 08:50:49 AM »
I was watching Shearer on Soccerbox on Sunday and it doesn't really tie in with your story. Shearer met with Keegan and then Ferguson and Shearer was 90% certain he was going to Man Utd. Keegan rang again and asked for another half hour with Shearer to convince him to sign - and succeeded.

He has said many conflicting things as have others. He did speak to Man Utd (players could speak to clubs back then without club’s permissions like now). Walker would have sold for less to anyone other than Man Utd and made it almost impossible for them to deal with him. NUFC/S&N/Adidas would have paid whatever it took together to get Shearer. Once KK had his magic way there was no chance Shearer was going anywhere but home full stop.

People forget at that time, although they were the Champions, we were regarded as the more ambitious and more likely to dethrone them and go on to keep winning. Shearer absolutely made the right decision not just in terms of his own ambitions as a player but financially and of course in terms of his family.

It never quite worked out as intended, but I’m sure glad I got to see him in our number 9 banging them in.

Hypothetical here - if Shearer stayed fit in the 96/97 and KK stayed on full season would we have won the league? What would 97/98 look with KK at helm, and only certain areas of the team upgraded?

no we always find ways to not win things
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« Reply #5118 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 09:33:13 AM »
We were interested in him, he’d have been a good fit, love the man personally.

Cruyff as well.

Really? That would have been incredible

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« Reply #5119 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 09:50:44 AM »
wow didn't know that
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« Reply #5120 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 09:58:01 AM »
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« Reply #5121 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 10:02:22 AM »
Imagine if either dutchman took over or it ended up being Sir Bobbhy.
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« Reply #5122 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 10:08:33 AM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-dalglish-poised-to-take-over-after-keegan-quits-newcastle-1282383.html

Van Gaal, Cruyff & Brian Little.

My dad was gutted when he read an article recently saying that we were close to signing Gheorge Hagi, not sure he's going to survive me telling him we could have got Cruyff

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« Reply #5123 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 10:11:31 AM »
We were after Fergie too who used our interest to get a better deal/more spending at Man Utd. He was tempted too. Bet he regrets that now :lol:

At that time we could have had our pick, Dalglish was the safe option and was well supported in the dressing room...
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« Reply #5124 on: Thursday 26 March 2020, 10:12:49 AM »
were people excited about Kenny? given he was a title winner and a huge name? I just remember being convinced by my dad and uncle that Kenny was a huge name and Newcastle would be fine. Again for context, I basically followed us like in delay - weekend update via the sports paper in Tampa, the random espn 2 show on weekends recap like a week later and/or phone calls from family who lived in England :lol:
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