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Offline wacko

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21325 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 11:56:00 am »
"I can understand your concerns over the sources of funding, given the precedent set by the Leave campaign's accepting illegal donations. Unfortunately, I'm not an accountant, and I can't answer your question as accurately as it deserves to be. I'll put you in touch with a colleague who can tell you."
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21326 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:07:56 pm »
Exactly wacko. He must have known what he would face up against that sewer rat.

I've seen a fair bit of Femi. His background is EU law and he's very good at explaining through EU and so on in simple terms people can understand but he's a bit stuttery and it comes across badly.

He's not a polished media person basically.
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Offline Skeletor

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21327 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:11:23 pm »
Exactly wacko. He must have known what he would face up against that sewer rat.

I've seen a fair bit of Femi. His background is EU law and he's very good at explaining through EU and so on in simple terms people can understand but he's a bit stuttery and it comes across badly.

He's not a polished media person basically.

Which makes the decision to send him for the interview even worse. By the sounds of it she just asked for someone from the People's Vote and they specifically chose him for the job.
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Offline Kid Icarus

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21328 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:13:38 pm »
i'm listening to LBC where they're talking about the possibility of a 2nd vote...been on for maybe an hour and there's all these brexit fools arguing that it's an unprecedented attack on democracy

not once has either the presenter or even the pro-vote monkeys mentioned electoral fraud or russian interference etc.

i despair
It's no more or less relevant than in the huge amount of cases that there's already been interference with us on either side tbh. All of them should have second votes, but I think it's unlikely that this one specific case of corruption is going to be the one that gets it alone.
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21329 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:25:46 pm »
i'm listening to LBC where they're talking about the possibility of a 2nd vote...been on for maybe an hour and there's all these brexit fools arguing that it's an unprecedented attack on democracy

not once has either the presenter or even the pro-vote monkeys mentioned electoral fraud or russian interference etc.

i despair
It's no more or less relevant than in the huge amount of cases that there's already been interference with us on either side tbh. All of them should have second votes, but I think it's unlikely that this one specific case of corruption is going to be the one that gets it alone.
I'm not suggesting it's the sole reason that there should be another vote, rather that when people trot out things like "attack on democracy" they should be challenged accordingly and it's just not happening. The media is failing everyone.

In and of itself, and without a proper inquiry into Russian interference, it's not enough to call for a 2nd vote probably, however when you consider the other factors I'm conjunction with it then there's more than enough imho.
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline Matt

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21330 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:42:33 pm »
A GE more important than stopping this madness? Why are these guys so in love with the idea of hard brexit? It doesn't have popular support or wide parliamentary support yet the leadership of both main parties seem to be firmly in the tractor beam.


Offline Skeletor

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21331 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:46:56 pm »
A GE more important than stopping this madness? Why are these guys so in love with the idea of hard brexit? It doesn't have popular support or wide parliamentary support yet the leadership of both main parties seem to be firmly in the tractor beam.



He's right. Another referendum or people's vote will ensure we're still talking about Brexit/the EU for another five years and other issues will continue to be forgotten.
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Offline Hanshithispantz

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21332 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:48:46 pm »
Another 5 years of Brexit :sweetjesus:

Offline Matt

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21333 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 12:52:13 pm »
He's right. Another referendum or people's vote will ensure we're still talking about Brexit/the EU for another five years and other issues will continue to be forgotten.

So you're OK with Hard brexit as long as Labour wins the next GE?

Offline Kid Icarus

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21334 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 01:08:43 pm »


i'm listening to LBC where they're talking about the possibility of a 2nd vote...been on for maybe an hour and there's all these brexit fools arguing that it's an unprecedented attack on democracy

not once has either the presenter or even the pro-vote monkeys mentioned electoral fraud or russian interference etc.

i despair
It's no more or less relevant than in the huge amount of cases that there's already been interference with us on either side tbh. All of them should have second votes, but I think it's unlikely that this one specific case of corruption is going to be the one that gets it alone.
I'm not suggesting it's the sole reason that there should be another vote, rather that when people trot out things like "attack on democracy" they should be challenged accordingly and it's just not happening. The media is failing everyone.

In and of itself, and without a proper inquiry into Russian interference, it's not enough to call for a 2nd vote probably, however when you consider the other factors I'm conjunction with it then there's more than enough imho.

Which other factors?
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21335 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 01:09:13 pm »
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21336 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 01:16:43 pm »


i'm listening to LBC where they're talking about the possibility of a 2nd vote...been on for maybe an hour and there's all these brexit fools arguing that it's an unprecedented attack on democracy

not once has either the presenter or even the pro-vote monkeys mentioned electoral fraud or russian interference etc.

i despair
It's no more or less relevant than in the huge amount of cases that there's already been interference with us on either side tbh. All of them should have second votes, but I think it's unlikely that this one specific case of corruption is going to be the one that gets it alone.
I'm not suggesting it's the sole reason that there should be another vote, rather that when people trot out things like "attack on democracy" they should be challenged accordingly and it's just not happening. The media is failing everyone.

In and of itself, and without a proper inquiry into Russian interference, it's not enough to call for a 2nd vote probably, however when you consider the other factors I'm conjunction with it then there's more than enough imho.

Which other factors?

well, taken as a whole

1. proven electoral fraud on the part of vote leave
2. likelihood of russian interference in the campaign, financial or otherwise, that this corrupt government refuses to investigate mueller style
3. influence of american money, bannon et al and CA/AIS linked to 2
4. outright lies told during the leave campaign that since the moment the vote closed have been proven demonstrably to be nothing more than lies to secure the vote...in an election you have a way to hold this to account, should we just write off our future because it was a referendum and not a GE?
5. the abject failure of the initial referendum to either ensure that a clear majority was secured nor to deal with what happened if the vote was leave, i.e. the difference between voting to withdraw and future arrangements were not fully understood then

i mean they're the big ticket items i guess and the last one is more telling than most - the first referendum was simply not fit for purpose, and that's had it not been subverted and corrupted which we all know it was

there's probably more but that's off the top of my head

the whole thing is as bent as f*** man
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline wacko

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21337 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 01:19:54 pm »
In and of itself, and without a proper inquiry into Russian interference, it's not enough to call for a 2nd vote probably, however when you consider the other factors I'm conjunction with it then there's more than enough imho.

And lest we forget, Farage and his mob were very clear that they would continue to demand referendums until they got the result they wanted.
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Offline Kid Icarus

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21338 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 02:00:22 pm »


i'm listening to LBC where they're talking about the possibility of a 2nd vote...been on for maybe an hour and there's all these brexit fools arguing that it's an unprecedented attack on democracy

not once has either the presenter or even the pro-vote monkeys mentioned electoral fraud or russian interference etc.

i despair
It's no more or less relevant than in the huge amount of cases that there's already been interference with us on either side tbh. All of them should have second votes, but I think it's unlikely that this one specific case of corruption is going to be the one that gets it alone.
I'm not suggesting it's the sole reason that there should be another vote, rather that when people trot out things like "attack on democracy" they should be challenged accordingly and it's just not happening. The media is failing everyone.

In and of itself, and without a proper inquiry into Russian interference, it's not enough to call for a 2nd vote probably, however when you consider the other factors I'm conjunction with it then there's more than enough imho.

Which other factors?

well, taken as a whole

1. proven electoral fraud on the part of vote leave
2. likelihood of russian interference in the campaign, financial or otherwise, that this corrupt government refuses to investigate mueller style
3. influence of american money, bannon et al and CA/AIS linked to 2
4. outright lies told during the leave campaign that since the moment the vote closed have been proven demonstrably to be nothing more than lies to secure the vote...in an election you have a way to hold this to account, should we just write off our future because it was a referendum and not a GE?
5. the abject failure of the initial referendum to either ensure that a clear majority was secured nor to deal with what happened if the vote was leave, i.e. the difference between voting to withdraw and future arrangements were not fully understood then

i mean they're the big ticket items i guess and the last one is more telling than most - the first referendum was simply not fit for purpose, and that's had it not been subverted and corrupted which we all know it was

there's probably more but that's off the top of my head

the whole thing is as bent as f*** man

I wish I could say that any of those will make any difference like. Based on absolutely nothing whatsoever, but my gut feeling on any Russian interference is that it won't be investigated because it would only open up a can of worms on the U.K's own meddling.

1 is probably the only one on there that I think has any hope of making any difference.
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21339 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 02:25:33 pm »


i'm listening to LBC where they're talking about the possibility of a 2nd vote...been on for maybe an hour and there's all these brexit fools arguing that it's an unprecedented attack on democracy

not once has either the presenter or even the pro-vote monkeys mentioned electoral fraud or russian interference etc.

i despair
It's no more or less relevant than in the huge amount of cases that there's already been interference with us on either side tbh. All of them should have second votes, but I think it's unlikely that this one specific case of corruption is going to be the one that gets it alone.
I'm not suggesting it's the sole reason that there should be another vote, rather that when people trot out things like "attack on democracy" they should be challenged accordingly and it's just not happening. The media is failing everyone.

In and of itself, and without a proper inquiry into Russian interference, it's not enough to call for a 2nd vote probably, however when you consider the other factors I'm conjunction with it then there's more than enough imho.

Which other factors?

well, taken as a whole

1. proven electoral fraud on the part of vote leave
2. likelihood of russian interference in the campaign, financial or otherwise, that this corrupt government refuses to investigate mueller style
3. influence of american money, bannon et al and CA/AIS linked to 2
4. outright lies told during the leave campaign that since the moment the vote closed have been proven demonstrably to be nothing more than lies to secure the vote...in an election you have a way to hold this to account, should we just write off our future because it was a referendum and not a GE?
5. the abject failure of the initial referendum to either ensure that a clear majority was secured nor to deal with what happened if the vote was leave, i.e. the difference between voting to withdraw and future arrangements were not fully understood then

i mean they're the big ticket items i guess and the last one is more telling than most - the first referendum was simply not fit for purpose, and that's had it not been subverted and corrupted which we all know it was

there's probably more but that's off the top of my head

the whole thing is as bent as f*** man

I wish I could say that any of those will make any difference like. Based on absolutely nothing whatsoever, but my gut feeling on any Russian interference is that it won't be investigated because it would only open up a can of worms on the U.K's own meddling.

1 is probably the only one on there that I think has any hope of making any difference.

ah sorry i thought you meant on a moral or democratic level not a practical level :lol:

aye that all counts for total s***...the only way we'll get a vote is if enough MP's grow sacks and fail to agree the deal then the gov will probably be forced into a GE
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline newsted

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21340 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:17:51 pm »
Sigh. The whole problem is that most people are stupid. They may mean well, but they make bad decisions. This is why referenda are indefensible. David Cameron is a country-f***ing c***, and deserves to go down in history as such. IMO.
:) As you were.

Offline newsted

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21341 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:19:24 pm »
:lol: Of course. How can I stop this happening?
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21342 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:22:15 pm »
again, i wasn't here for all the pre-ref build up and such but the f*** did everyone agree that shitshow?  40 years of integration and nobody, f***ing nobody thought it might be a bit tricky?
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline newsted

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21343 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:27:19 pm »
Well, non-racists and non-idiots could see it a f***ing mile off. Turns out that's 48%. f***. Here we are. Good luck.
:) As you were.

Offline OpenC

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21344 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:29:43 pm »
Politics and international diplomacy in 'a bit tricky' shocker [emoji38]

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21345 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:43:18 pm »
Politics and international diplomacy in 'a bit tricky' shocker [emoji38]

well no i mean it's clearly a 2 stage process but they've treated it as a one stage process and here we are, benefit of hindsight i guess but surely someone was pointing this stuff out at the time?

:okay:
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline OpenC

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21346 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:56:25 pm »
I mean, implementing a socialist government under Labour's guidance will be a bit awkward as well, but I'm not going to object to how many stages they make it or question whether people thought it through properly beforehand

Just sayin'

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21347 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 04:58:26 pm »
yeeeeeah ok
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline OpenC

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21348 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:29:54 pm »
I'm sure you understand the point I'm making though mojo

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Brexit means no-deal Brexit?
« Reply #21349 on: Sunday 16 September 2018, 05:31:19 pm »
i am, but it bears very little relevance to my own tbh
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire