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Offline Northerngimp

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23475 on: Saturday 8 December 2018, 04:21:40 pm »
I get the 'Hitting back at a government who - they feel - has ignored them during the austerity years.'
But I don't get 'So let's decide to leave the only body that actually tries to reverse this damage.'

and so we come full circle, nees & hans incoming in 1,2,3....
:lol:

I thought you'd moved on from this? By that logic where was the EU protection for the Greeks who had their money flow switched off and forced to take on a debt burden they can barely afford.
GO LEAFS GO!

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« Reply #23476 on: Saturday 8 December 2018, 06:24:47 pm »
I get the 'Hitting back at a government who - they feel - has ignored them during the austerity years.'
But I don't get 'So let's decide to leave the only body that actually tries to reverse this damage.'

and so we come full circle, nees & hans incoming in 1,2,3....
Maybe they’re not just all talk when it comes to their hatred of neo-liberal capitalism?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/austerity-corbyn-eu-brexit-peoples-vote


But... Bananas.

Only kidding, brilliant article.

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23477 on: Sunday 9 December 2018, 03:07:33 pm »

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23478 on: Sunday 9 December 2018, 04:53:37 pm »
About two minutes too long.  Has May's hunch perfectly though, top marks. :thup:
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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23479 on: Sunday 9 December 2018, 09:18:38 pm »

But... Bananas.

Only kidding, brilliant article.

It's yet another attempt to frame the referendum result to fit a particular political viewpoint. It wasn't a vote on Tory austerity or rejection of the neo-liberal economic policies of the EU- I don't remember seeing those on the ballot paper.

But even then, should Labour be that concerned? As the article stated, many of these people don't generally vote anyway or had never voted before, whereas 65% of those declaring as Labour voters voted Remain. Why should the votes of those one-timers be worth more, either morally or politically, than those who are more active at the ballot box?

It glosses over those who voted Leave for total de-regulation free markets aboard the HMS Empire, but the author does not see their views as worthy, presumably due them being Tory scum.

And there is that persistent confidence that Labour would win a GE, but despite the Tories' implosion, they are still only neck and neck in the polling and if there was a GE, May would be long gone with a potential new-leader bounce.

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23480 on: Sunday 9 December 2018, 09:24:13 pm »

But... Bananas.

Only kidding, brilliant article.

It's yet another attempt to frame the referendum result to fit a particular political viewpoint. It wasn't a vote on Tory austerity or rejection of the neo-liberal economic policies of the EU- I don't remember seeing those on the ballot paper.

I don't remember seeing the word "brexit" on the ballot paper, but many voted against it.

But even then, should Labour be that concerned? As the article stated, many of these people don't generally vote anyway or had never voted before, whereas 65% of those declaring as Labour voters voted Remain. Why should the votes of those one-timers be worth more, either morally or politically, than those who are more active at the ballot box?

Why should they be worth less?

It glosses over those who voted Leave for total de-regulation free markets aboard the HMS Empire, but the author does not see their views as worthy, presumably due them being Tory scum.

Maybe it's because the author recognises tat those views were deliberately highlighted in order to frame the "brexit" argument.

And there is that persistent confidence that Labour would win a GE, but despite the Tories' implosion, they are still only neck and neck in the polling and if there was a GE, May would be long gone with a potential new-leader bounce.

No the persistent argument that we need a Labour government. At this rate,the tories could win the next election, simply by calling the whole thing off.

Offline sadnesstan

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23481 on: Sunday 9 December 2018, 09:29:34 pm »
Boris is a pathological liar. Do you suppose the Tory party were unaware of this when they gave him free license to ruin the campaign.

Rees Mogg is a freak who was raised, by freaks, to believe his typical British aristocracy entitled him to powers that the EU denies him. And he's crying to nanny.

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23482 on: Sunday 9 December 2018, 09:47:55 pm »

I don't remember seeing the word "brexit" on the ballot paper, but many voted against it.

To clarify- Voted against Brexit or the concept of neo-liberal economics? Brexit was on the paper, as that is parlance for the Leave vote. Of course at that stage no-one bothered to define how it could really play out.

Why should they be worth less?

Labour are continuing to follow a Leave footing even though its voters didn't support it and still don't. We saw that at the conference. Brexit isn't over- it remains subject to further parliamentary action. Why are those views still not taken into consideration when formulating party policy? Just because a couple at the top are hardened Brexiters?

Boris is a pathological liar. Do you suppose the Tory party were unaware of this when they gave him free license to ruin the campaign.

Rees Mogg is a freak who was raised, by freaks, to believe his typical British aristocracy entitled him to powers that the EU denies him. And he's crying to nanny.

Don't forget Gove.

Offline sadnesstan

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23483 on: Sunday 9 December 2018, 11:10:41 pm »

I don't remember seeing the word "brexit" on the ballot paper, but many voted against it.

To clarify- Voted against Brexit or the concept of neo-liberal economics? Brexit was on the paper, as that is parlance for the Leave vote. Of course at that stage no-one bothered to define how it could really play out.

Voted against "brexit". If you voted in favour of remaining I'd like to hear your reasons that are not purely driven by your perceptions of leaving

Why should they be worth less?

Labour are continuing to follow a Leave footing even though its voters didn't support it and still don't. We saw that at the conference. Brexit isn't over- it remains subject to further parliamentary action. Why are those views still not taken into consideration when formulating party policy? Just because a couple at the top are hardened Brexiters?

That shouldn't devalue anybody's vote.

Boris is a pathological liar. Do you suppose the Tory party were unaware of this when they gave him free license to ruin the campaign.

Rees Mogg is a freak who was raised, by freaks, to believe his typical British aristocracy entitled him to powers that the EU denies him. And he's crying to nanny.

Don't forget Gove.

Sadly I won't live to see a time when they're all forgotten.

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23484 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 04:26:06 am »
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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23485 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 11:27:08 am »
Though Europe sought our leadership, our recent leaders failed them. And us. Urging Cameron to assume Churchill's mantle, I showed him our polling which revealed that 61% of Brits craved their country to lead in Europe.

They wanted a PM with vision, playing beautiful, attacking continental football rather than always cowering defensively in the penalty box. Cameron shrugged.



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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23486 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 11:48:59 am »
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Absolute farce if so.

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23487 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 11:58:51 am »
No deal

Offline Northerngimp

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23488 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:05:48 pm »
The deal is being pulled off the table and now wont be put to parliament to vote on?

GO LEAFS GO!

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23489 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:06:21 pm »
"We want to leave the EU, but with a deal."

"Here's the deal, that's the best we're going to be offered."

"Don't like it."

Well you didn't actually want Brexit then, did you.


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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23490 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:08:40 pm »
Total mess.
GO LEAFS GO!

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23491 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:10:00 pm »
These maniacs are going to just drive us out to save their own skins


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« Reply #23492 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:14:23 pm »
Sterling tumbles again, just in time for Christmas.
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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23493 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:15:56 pm »
Sterling tumbles again, just in time for Christmas.

Diving b******, wouldn't happen to the English Pound.

Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23494 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:19:51 pm »
:lol:
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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23495 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:31:48 pm »
COME ON THE BLUES!

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23496 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:34:15 pm »
Looking forward to the GE and everybody claiming there is little point in voting Labour, because Corbyn won't be able to fulfil the manifesto promises.

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23497 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 12:49:51 pm »
Sterling tumbles again, just in time for Christmas.

Diving b******, wouldn't happen to the English Pound.

:lol:
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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23498 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 01:01:31 pm »
Whats the point in delaying it from Mays point of view? Just delaying the inevitable.

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Re: why is it so hard to do a Brexit
« Reply #23499 on: Monday 10 December 2018, 01:04:19 pm »
Whats the point in delaying it from Mays point of view? Just delaying the inevitable.
If she loses heavily she'll have to resign, if she loses not So heavily she has a chance of clinging on. Nowt to do with what's best for the country but Tory internal politics.
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