Topic: UK Politics: The Tory Years - 2015-17

[Heron]

So anyone who has issues with Corbyn want to nuke people now?

Corbyn is 100% right about everything?

It's ridiculous how touchy people get about him

[AyeDubbleYoo]

All anyone does when people invade our air or sea space is write a letter or send a couple of ships on exercises. I'm sure he could manage that.

[mrmojorisin75]

neesy hates corbs though

[neesy111]

I was only joking.

[Heron]

neesy hates corbs though

Does he?! fair enough.
Tory boy like?

[Hanshithispantz]

I was only joking.

fair play

[mrmojorisin75]

neesy hates corbs though

Does he?! fair enough.
Tory boy like?

[neesy111]

I'm I f*** a Tory boy.

[Dave]

I'm I f*** a Tory boy.

Er, okay. Bit personal but okay.

[Heron]

I'm I f*** a Tory boy.

Er, okay. Bit personal but okay.

[Northerngimp]

 

f*** who you want mate.

[Mick]

utlimately if it's as close as some people are suggesting that set of c***s who challenged him and those who resigned from the shadow cabinet have a hell of a lot to answer for imo

If Labour fail to win against the curent Tory party after they have run a terrible campaign with terrible policies those who resigned are vindicated.

[Incognito]

Well that was an unexpected swing to the right

[mrmojorisin75]

utlimately if it's as close as some people are suggesting that set of c***s who challenged him and those who resigned from the shadow cabinet have a hell of a lot to answer for imo

If Labour fail to win against the curent Tory party after they have run a terrible campaign with terrible policies those who resigned are vindicated.

bullshit, total and utter bullshit; this campaign has shown that corbyn's policies are broadly popular and had there been a unified message from the moment he took over it could very well have been a different story

why do you think the tories are plugging the chaos s***?  because that's the state the labour party was in for over a year with centre-right c***s spitting their dummies out because they weren't allowed to be tories anymore

[Mick]

bullshit, total and utter bullshit; this campaign has shown that corbyn's policies are broadly popular and had there been a unified message from the moment he took over it could very well have been a different story

why do you think the tories are plugging the chaos s***?  because that's the state the labour party was in for over a year with centre-right c***s spitting their dummies out because they weren't allowed to be tories anymore

It's never his fault.

[Disco]

Regardless of Corbyn this election should've been a tap in and May's ludicrous presentation and baffling policies have turned it into a race. Still expect a fairly comfortable Tory win, mind.

she's been anything but convincing. That her personal strategy seems to be simply not say anything of note as to cause controversy is particularly worrying.

[Mick]

she's been anything but convincing. That her personal strategy seems to be simply not say anything of note as to cause controversy is particularly worrying.

I think she's been awful and her policies are just as bad as she is.  She clearly thought she could be as extreme as she wanted to be and get away with it, hopefully she was wrong and will at least come away from the election with a reduced majority and will be weakened because of it.  I'd hate to see her with an increased majority.

[mrmojorisin75]

bullshit, total and utter bullshit; this campaign has shown that corbyn's policies are broadly popular and had there been a unified message from the moment he took over it could very well have been a different story

why do you think the tories are plugging the chaos s***?  because that's the state the labour party was in for over a year with centre-right c***s spitting their dummies out because they weren't allowed to be tories anymore

It's never his fault.

explain how it's his fault to get elected leader of the party and for factions within that party to sabotage his leadership and potentially hurt the party's chances of being elected?

they never thought he could win or even come close, so they didn't give a s***

he might well not win but to deny the impact of ther actions is wilfully ignorant

as for 'it's never his fault' corbs was losing me before this election was called if i'm honest, he wasn't 'leading' and challenging the tories enough in ways that were making a splash so he's certainly accountable for that among other things (continued support of abbott is a very poor choice when most of the electorate despise her, for example)

[sadnesstan]

TBH If Corbyn wins, I'd happily consider not leaving the EU as I firmly believe I could have faith in any deal he was willing to agree to. This belief is strengthened by the fact that he hasn't lied about nukes in order to win.

I'm not saying I would accept whatever he did without any critique, but I would believe that he had a vision for Europe that I could support.

[Mick]

explain how it's his fault to get elected leader of the party and for factions within that party to sabotage his leadership and potentially hurt the party's chances of being elected?

they never thought he could win or even come close, so they didn't give a s***

he might well not win but to deny the impact of ther actions is wilfully ignorant

as for 'it's never his fault' corbs was losing me before this election was called if i'm honest, he wasn't 'leading' and challenging the tories enough in ways that were making a splash so he's certainly accountable for that among other things (continued support of abbott is a very poor choice when most of the electorate despise her, for example)

Where did I say that it was fault that he got elected?

Corbyn has been a rebel throughout his time as a labour MP and maybe the MP's who quit didn't trust him, I've been actually told that by an MP who did rebel.  I do agree that they were also thinking about self-preservation but to put the rebellion down to that alone does nobody any favours and quite frankly, it makes anybody making that claim look daft.  I haven't heard a single person say that they will not vote for Labour because of the rebellion although I do understand that it may have put some off.

[Mowen]

Easy lads. A few weeks ago when thinking about the election I got carried away and wrote a list of reasons as to why I think the current Tories and - in particular - Theresa May are a shambles. It was more to help me have an informed discussion with people than anything. Anyway, hrtbps on twitter promoted it and it ended up with a few hundred RTs and likes across a few posts.

Thought I'd share it in case any of you are interested or need to have difficult conversations to get the vote out or persuade people why the Tories are such a bad option at the moment. This election isn't a foregone conclusion but it's going to take work to make it close.

Interested if anyone has any feedback too.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10OwXKp4CrjLhjbu87hKZnmQke6ihOHF70D5OnusiJHM

[mrmojorisin75]

explain how it's his fault to get elected leader of the party and for factions within that party to sabotage his leadership and potentially hurt the party's chances of being elected?

they never thought he could win or even come close, so they didn't give a s***

he might well not win but to deny the impact of ther actions is wilfully ignorant

as for 'it's never his fault' corbs was losing me before this election was called if i'm honest, he wasn't 'leading' and challenging the tories enough in ways that were making a splash so he's certainly accountable for that among other things (continued support of abbott is a very poor choice when most of the electorate despise her, for example)

Where did I say that it was fault that he got elected?

Corbyn has been a rebel throughout his time as a labour MP and maybe the MP's who quit didn't trust him, I've been actually told that by an MP who did rebel.  I do agree that they were also thinking about self-preservation but to put the rebellion down to that alone does nobody any favours and quite frankly, it makes anybody making that claim look daft.  I haven't heard a single person say that they will not vote for Labour because of the rebellion although I do understand that it may have put some off.

christ it helped create the negative narrative around corbyn for over a year, it dominated everything the party did from his first election past his second

how can you not see this?  neutral/undecided voters would have had nothing but that for the better part of a year, not long after labour were f***ed in a GE of course, than hearing how the party is in chaos and they all hate jez

incredible you're trying to justify it, staggering when we are where we are

[Heron]

Forgive my ignorance but why do most people seem to think the Torys will comfortably win? Have I missed something? Nearly everyone I know is voting Labour

[mrmojorisin75]

Forgive my ignorance but why do most people seem to think the Torys will comfortably win? Have I missed something? Nearly everyone I know is voting Labour

most polls/projections have them with a sizeable majority still, sadly

[cp40]

Forgive my ignorance but why do most people seem to think the Torys will comfortably win? Have I missed something? Nearly everyone I know is voting Labour

I think, they think most brexit voters will side with the tories, and the SNP will deplete the Labour support.