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Offline Kaizero

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14925 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 11:48:15 am »
I thought the Nations League thing meant this s*** wasn't necessary :lol: We still have to endure those England v Malta/Kosovo/Albania type games..

What? Nations League only allows for a second chance for NL winners if they fail at the EC qualifiers, man. I'm so confused by this line of thought :lol: This is the proper qualification, NL was only meant to replace meaningless friendlies.

Well now they need a competition to replace the meaningless qualifiers

England, Czech Rep, Bulgaria & Montenegro ffs.  Can't wait!

The qualifiers aren't meaningless, man. They're the f***ing competition :lol:
Problem is for the top ranked/pot A teams it's not a competition. I mean however will England cope with Bulgaria? Germany and Netherlands v Estonia, N. Ireland and Belarus.  Of course I get that it has to happen but f*** me :lol:

England has failed to qualify in the past. Same goes for other big teams. Just because nine out of ten times it's a walk-over doesn't mean England (or other major nations) should just be handed a spot at the finals :lol:

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Offline Kaizero

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14927 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 11:54:19 am »
Gonna hazard a guess at:

England & Czech Republic
Portugal & Serbia
Germany & Netherlands
Denmark & Ireland
Croatia & Wales
Spain & Sweden
Poland & Austria
France & Turkey
Belgium & Scotland
Italy & Finland

Offline triggs

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14928 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 11:56:13 am »
Gonna hazard a guess at:

England & Czech Republic
Portugal & Serbia
Germany & Netherlands
Denmark & Ireland
Croatia & Wales
Spain & Sweden
Poland & Austria
France & Turkey
Belgium & Scotland
Italy & Finland
Switzerland will top our group. If we’re to finish second it’ll be Denmark to lose out. They’ve actually only beaten us once in the 4 times we’ve played them recently
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Offline leffe186

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14929 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 11:56:42 am »
I like that Sweden, Norway and the Faroes are in the same group.
Obviously, I'm speaking of a hypothetical world in which there is a greater club than Tottenham.

Offline Kaizero

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14930 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 11:56:58 am »
Gonna hazard a guess at:

England & Czech Republic
Portugal & Serbia
Germany & Netherlands
Denmark & Ireland
Croatia & Wales
Spain & Sweden
Poland & Austria
France & Turkey
Belgium & Scotland
Italy & Finland
Switzerland will top our group. If we’re to finish second it’ll be Denmark to lose out. They’ve actually only beaten us once in the 4 times we’ve played them recently

I willingly ignore Switzerland's chances because I hate them now.

Offline jdckelly

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14931 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 01:08:01 pm »
yikes bad luck with that draw northern ireland

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14932 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 02:31:32 pm »
Should be issue-free for England. Will guess at seven wins and one draw.

Offline geordie_b

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14933 on: Sunday 2 December 2018, 02:54:39 pm »
And they are in he playoffs anyway if they f***up

Offline LFEE

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14934 on: Monday 3 December 2018, 01:39:31 pm »
Portugal v Switzerland

Holland v England

Offline chopey

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14935 on: Monday 3 December 2018, 06:27:29 pm »
30,000 stadium !!....................probably get about 5,000 tickets each

Offline Paully

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14936 on: Tuesday 4 December 2018, 12:15:10 pm »
Should be issue-free for England. Will guess at seven wins and one draw.

Some nasty away trips there mind!

Offline Astroblack

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14937 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 06:49:11 pm »
Just gonna leave this here. Not trying to start anything but a +1 on the Alli deep midfield role. Also mentioned Roy Keane in the exact same sense I did.


Offline The College Dropout

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14938 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 10:39:20 pm »
Maybe i'm under-rating Dele but he seems to give the ball away a ton. He's a direct passer so maybe that's part of it... not a safe passer but he loses the ball way more than Eriksen for example.

I agree with Carragher. To me he's more of a second striker. Gives it away too much to be a top level central midfielder in his current carnation.

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« Reply #14939 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 11:10:35 pm »
Neville’s talking like an England coach who wants to get the most out of Kane, Sterling and Alli in the same team. Carragher’s talking like a club manager who wants to win the league.
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Offline Astroblack

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« Reply #14940 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 11:20:02 pm »
Put Alli in that second striker position for England and he'll try to dribble to goal every time he gets the ball. Don't think it's too much to ask for him to 'do a job' for England. 

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Re: The England Thread
« Reply #14941 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 11:22:07 pm »
Put Alli in that second striker position for England and he'll try to dribble to goal every time he gets the ball. Don't think it's too much to ask for him to 'do a job' for England.
You deleted your last sentence there but to make it clear again, he is literally not a centre midfielder and certainly not the best centre midfielder of his age in Europe
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Offline Astroblack

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« Reply #14942 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 11:29:12 pm »
He's pretty much box to box. His energy is off the charts. Watch him in the game against Chelsea and he's everywhere. Set up Son's goal from deep and was the highest player pressing for the majority of the game. And I can't think of a better 22 year old CM in the world right now.

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« Reply #14943 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 11:44:46 pm »
He's pretty much box to box. His energy is off the charts. Watch him in the game against Chelsea and he's everywhere. Set up Son's goal from deep and was the highest player pressing for the majority of the game. And I can't think of a better 22 year old CM in the world right now.
He isn't box to box. He's a second striker. He played in midfield for England in the summer and was their clear weak link throughout. Given he's literally not a CM I'd have at least Lucas Torreira, Bentancur, Arthur and Kessie ahead of him who are all either the same age or younger
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« Reply #14944 on: Tuesday 11 December 2018, 11:45:13 pm »
Alli is undoubtedly a very good player and it works for him and Spurs right now, but I don’t think we will ever see him impose his game consistently in a way he can be dominant. He’s just one of those players that either needs a team built around him or who can become more consistent if not exactly as prolific in terms of general play in a defined role, a role he would probably need converted to.

I remember when Rafa moved Gerrard to the right of midfield and many Liverpool fans and so-called experts questioned the logic behind moving him from the centre, but he become more than a goalscoring box to box player who could only impose his game with a long range strike at goal or a crunching tackle with the odd Hollywood ball which required certain conditions to allow him to impose himself.

Gerrard had more to his game though than Alli has. If I were Spurs I’d look to upgrade on him as a player in the firs-team because for all his goals and assists, he does go missing a lot and doesn’t seem able to impose his game in other ways that would benefit the team just as much as goals and assists. Not when you have that and more in an Eriksen or a Son.

I wouldn’t have him starting for England, not the way they are set up and play, there are better options or rather more better suited players who have more to their game than goals and assist or a relationship with Harry Kane.

I’d love him for us of course :lol:

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Offline Astroblack

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« Reply #14945 on: Wednesday 12 December 2018, 01:19:26 am »
He's pretty much box to box. His energy is off the charts. Watch him in the game against Chelsea and he's everywhere. Set up Son's goal from deep and was the highest player pressing for the majority of the game. And I can't think of a better 22 year old CM in the world right now.
He isn't box to box. He's a second striker. He played in midfield for England in the summer and was their clear weak link throughout. Given he's literally not a CM I'd have at least Lucas Torreira, Bentancur, Arthur and Kessie ahead of him who are all either the same age or younger

Agree he's more of a second striker than classic CM, but don't agree those other players are better than him. Think he offers more even if that is goals and assists.



Gerrard had more to his game though than Alli has. If I were Spurs I’d look to upgrade on him as a player in the firs-team because for all his goals and assists, he does go missing a lot and doesn’t seem able to impose his game in other ways that would benefit the team just as much as goals and assists. Not when you have that and more in an Eriksen or a Son.



Think you're underrating him a bit here as I don't know what would be an upgrade on Dele Alli. Not sure he's the imposing type. Think he relies more on superior positioning rather than digging around the pitch like the players Triggs mentioned.

Would have him starting for England and if we play a back four, I'd have him as the player to collect the ball from the centre halves and launch attacks.

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« Reply #14946 on: Wednesday 12 December 2018, 02:59:31 am »
When he came to everyone’s attention (MK Dons v Man Utd) didn’t he play as a box to box midfielder?

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« Reply #14947 on: Wednesday 12 December 2018, 11:42:31 am »
When he came to everyone’s attention (MK Dons v Man Utd) didn’t he play as a box to box midfielder?

I think so. In League 1 or whatever his passing is fine. It's mostly going over his head anyway. Coming deeper would allow for his runs to not get picked up more. But as he's stepped up, his movement is still brilliant but some of the other aspects of CM play has been exposed imo. But he's young.

FWIW I don't think Gerrard was a brilliant CM (in a 2) either. Sure he could influence the game more from deep but he was at his best under Rafa. In a 4, or in what was close to a free role. When he was deep later he wasn't as good as what was made out imo

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« Reply #14948 on: Wednesday 12 December 2018, 12:15:50 pm »
Asking anyone to 'do a job' is the kind of backwards logic that ended up with Paul Scholes playing on the left wing. Pick players in roles they are suited to in a system that's design to get the best out of the collective group. Not bloody shoehorning. Thankfully Southgate seems to adopt the former approach.

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« Reply #14949 on: Wednesday 12 December 2018, 12:18:29 pm »
Asking anyone to 'do a job' is the kind of backwards logic that ended up with Paul Scholes playing on the left wing. Pick players in roles they are suited to in a system that's design to get the best out of the collective group. Not bloody shoehorning. Thankfully Southgate seems to adopt the former approach.

I agree with that. Southgate is doing a much better job than I thought he would do.
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