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Offline Disco

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« Reply #1450 on: Monday 3 July 2017, 10:03:47 PM »
Mr Blobby's in the news:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/880430948097155072

The fat loser must've failed his interview. Shame, he'll just have to wait til his loser mate gets another job fraudulently.


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« Reply #1451 on: Monday 3 July 2017, 10:04:43 PM »
Woodman will be coaching the U23s.

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« Reply #1452 on: Thursday 13 July 2017, 01:37:16 PM »
Cathro seems to have had a decent transfer window this time. Berra will probably be one of the better SPFL centre-backs and Lafferty should be very good for that level. Hope the Hearts fans get off his back and give him a chance now he's had a chance to put his own stamp on the team.
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« Reply #1453 on: Tuesday 25 July 2017, 10:10:27 PM »
Cathro getting pelters tonight on Twitter. They've just lost 2-1 at Peterhead in the League Cup. :facepalm:
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« Reply #1454 on: Tuesday 25 July 2017, 10:25:59 PM »
I don't think he's a very good man manager just based on his demeanour when he was here. Seemed very aloof and p*ssed off on the touchline when he was here under Schteve
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« Reply #1455 on: Tuesday 25 July 2017, 10:50:53 PM »
Seems to have a reputation of being a gobshite in the press too. Maybe Kris Boyd was right.
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« Reply #1456 on: Tuesday 25 July 2017, 10:51:44 PM »
Think it was far too early for him to go into management.

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« Reply #1457 on: Tuesday 25 July 2017, 10:57:20 PM »

:lol:
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« Reply #1458 on: Saturday 29 July 2017, 07:12:23 PM »
Hearts knocked out of the scottish league cup already.  Cathro's only won 8 of his 30 games in charge.

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« Reply #1459 on: Saturday 29 July 2017, 07:15:39 PM »
That penalty shoot-out at the end was hilarious. Fans were on his back, drew 2-2 so they already couldn't qualify, then they had to play a meaningless penalty shootout for a bonus point which they also lost. :lol:

Sad as they're my second team but was funny.
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Offline OCK

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« Reply #1460 on: Saturday 29 July 2017, 07:33:43 PM »
Reality catching up with someone constantly living in wonderment. He's not terrible, he knows his stuff, but lacks the wisdom to back it up.

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« Reply #1461 on: Saturday 29 July 2017, 07:34:25 PM »
Reality catching up with someone constantly living in wonderment. He's not terrible, he knows his stuff, but lacks the wisdom to back it up.

Think he should had stayed in coaching for longer?

Offline OCK

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« Reply #1462 on: Saturday 29 July 2017, 07:40:43 PM »
I don't think he's a bad coach by any means, just he's had a whirlwind of a career path and I think people are perhaps realising that the reputation around this prodigy of a coach is perhaps a bit of a myth. He shotgunned out of Dundee to Rio/Valencia because he got on well with Nuno on a coaching course. I got the impression that he's a great text book coach with a ton of theory. I still wish him well though.

Offline loki679

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« Reply #1463 on: Sunday 30 July 2017, 12:52:53 AM »
Maybe he would have been better taking a smaller job first and learning the man management side of the job.  Massive difference between coaching and being an effective manager on that side of things and it's not really something you can learn on a course.
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« Reply #1464 on: Sunday 30 July 2017, 07:34:55 AM »
http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/post/163574190511/george-weahs-cousin-is-ian-cathro-doomed-at


George Weah’s Cousin - Is Ian Cathro doomed at Hearts?


The tale of Ali Dia is perhaps one of the most entertaining bits of entirely innocent skullduggery in the annals of modern football. Player tries to get a club in the UK, ends up in non-league looking out of his depth after failing at trials at various lower league English clubs. Soon after, one of Dia’s mates calls up Graeme Souness, says that Dia is the cousin of then international superstar George Weah and that he should give him a look. Souness, doesn’t give him a look and, instead, signs him to a one month deal doesn’t see him play a reserve game due to weather and, instead, puts him on for his debut in a Premier League game, replacing Matt le Tissier as a sub, gets subbed himself and then is quickly released after Souness realises he’s been had.

It’s an undeniably funny tale, made all the more entertaining by the fact that it happened to Graeme Souness. And some could be forgiven for thinking that it’s happening in Scotland. Ian Cathro might have brought with him extensive references from Rafa Benitez among other football luminaries, but if you were to tell Hearts fans he was a journeyman who had never and would never make it, then many of them might just think that you were right. Is this the right hand man to Rafa Benitez and a man who sowed the seeds for a near impeccable generation of Dundee United youth talent. Or is this some chancer who locked that guy up in a cupboard, made a pretendy CV and is actually some lookalike called Steve, from Coatbridge who is second cousin to Garry O’Connor?

There has certainly been precious little evidence that Cathro is anything approaching even a managerial mediocrity, never mind a managerial genius. This has been a stick used to beat the statistical community with, which is wrong - Cathro’s methodology is sound, but how it is put into practice has varied between ham-fisted and cocked up. The enigmatic recruitment of his first transfer window ended in a mess and the recruitment of his second is all sound on paper, but on the pitch it has led to embarrassing losses to Peterhead and Dunfermline in the League Cup.

That isn’t necessarily enough to condemn him on - for Hearts and many clubs, the BetFred Cup group stages is a way through pre-season, rather than to be the finished article from day one. To fire a manager based on having a poor BetFred Cup group would be akin to Manchester United sacking Jose Mourinho because they had a poor International Champions Cup campaign - call it proper competitive fixtures all you like, everyone knows that it’s not quite the real deal.

But, as omens go, it’s not exactly a good one. Hearts’ Tynecastle refurb puts them away from home for the first four games, and none are especially nice trips. Pencilling in the first Edinburgh derby of the season as Cathro’s D Day is starting to approach the realms of wild-eyed optimism - it’s going to come a fair way earlier than that.

The problem for Cathro isn’t his past performance - some of that is excusable. It’s not the current performance - making a team takes time. It’s that if you conjure up a name, you can imagine they’d do better than Cathro is right now. Robbie Neilson? Definitely. Paul Hartley? Probably. Gary Locke? 50-50. Richard Wilson, writer and opinion breather of thefootballlife.co.uk? Even that bell-end would stand a chance of doing better than Cathro.

With the greatest of respect to Cathro, the problem Hearts have isn’t just that they now, on paper, have all of the pieces together, it’s that even if you don’t get those pieces working together as you’d like immediately, you should still be beating a part time side like Peterhead with consummate ease. Their deficiencies now defy explanation save to say that Ian Cathro, however good a coach or different an interpreter of the language of football he is, simply doesn’t have the knack for being the leading man. It is not a question of “will the real Ian Cathro please stand up” - he’s already standing yet simultaneously on his knees.

That Cathro simply doesn’t have it is no criticism, nor is it a bad thing. It’s not even something that can be backed up with facts or quantified or analysed. xG or xA can’t explain away why Hearts’ performances have been x-rated. Whatever the human element or characteristic that one needs to be a good manager, Cathro simply doesn’t seem to have. He remains a proven high-class coach and a top analyst.

Yes, unquestionably, he deserves a chance to put whatever plan it is that he actually has into effect. But also, unquestionably, we are beyond the point where we can reasonably expect that plan to materialise itself in some sort of cogent manner.

Hearts, as mentioned in their season preview on this site earlier this week, will have a good season - either Cathro will come good or someone else will come in, take a team which is undoubtedly a highly talented one, and get them playing.

Even now, the balance seems to be tipping inexorably towards it being the latter that will happen and not the former.

Offline Figures 1-0 Football

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« Reply #1465 on: Sunday 30 July 2017, 07:23:52 PM »
Not all good coaches make good managers.

It's a shame, but he'll have no bother picking up a coaching role somewhere when he inevitably gets sacked.
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« Reply #1466 on: Sunday 30 July 2017, 08:01:57 PM »
Welcome him back
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« Reply #1467 on: Sunday 30 July 2017, 08:04:45 PM »
I can see Rafa having him back too.
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« Reply #1468 on: Monday 31 July 2017, 02:44:16 PM »
They agreed to play their first 4 games away as well so that their first home game is when the ground is complete. Wonder if they regret that.
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« Reply #1469 on: Tuesday 1 August 2017, 09:43:19 AM »
Cathro gone

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« Reply #1470 on: Tuesday 1 August 2017, 09:51:31 AM »
Cathro gone

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« Reply #1471 on: Tuesday 1 August 2017, 09:54:15 AM »
No surprise.
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« Reply #1473 on: Tuesday 1 August 2017, 12:04:41 PM »
Was a lost cause there because of the PSFM that immediately opposed his appointment
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« Reply #1474 on: Tuesday 1 August 2017, 12:14:23 PM »
He'll find another job quickly, perhaps not as a manager, but he'll find another coaching role rather sharpish.