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Offline LoveItIfWeBeatU

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The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
« on: Sunday 5 January 2014, 12:39:14 pm »
With our exit from the FA Cup the season is more or less over for our fringe players now as they won't be getting any regular time in the Premier League squad.

You could argue that our squad is too big now for the number of games we have left to play (although it is mainly a case of quantity and not quality).

NUFC need to try to loan out Sammy Ameobi, Bigirimana, Good and the other young players. They won't get any better playing in the under 21s and they rarely make the 1st team bench.

Mike Ashley will probably demand that we offload players before we bring any new players in. NUFC therefore need to try to sell Gosling, Marveaux, Gutierrez and Obertan. They have barely played this season and if Pardew isn't going to use them NUFC might as well try to move them on and then hopefully buy someone who will get a game.

It will make no logical sense if NUFC don't get a new striker this transfer window. I can't see much transfer activity happening in the Summer transfer window until the World Cup has finished. There's also the risk that if your transfer target has a good World Cup his price goes up. Unless our targets are on free transfers in the Summer it would probably be cheaper to buy them now.

If by the Summer Cisse is our only striker it puts NUFC in a very weak negotiating position when we try to buy another clubs striker. They will know we are desperate and will charge accordingly. No doubt NUFC will then refuse to pay and we'll struggle to get a striker never mind the two we'll need.

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Using http://www.nufc.com/2013-14html/squad.html and looking at our squad, the following NUFC players are out of contract in Summer 2014: -
Loic Remy (Loan)
Dan Gosling
Shola Ameobi
Conor Newton
Remie Streete
Steven Logan
Michael Richardson

The following players NUFC contracts end in Summer 2015: -
Ryan Taylor
Jonas Gutierrez
Samuel Ameobi
James Tavernier
Jak Alnwick

We know Mike Ashley likes to get a fee for players when they are coming to the end of their contract and NUFC don't want to keep them.

The following players are currently loaned out to other clubs: -
James Tavernier
Haris Vuckic
Shane Ferguson
Dan Gosling
Michael Richardson
Conor Newton
Romain Amalfitano
Mehdi Abeid
Adam Campbell

There's a good few of those who will never make it into our first team. I'm sure NUFC would be happy to sell most of them.

NUFC are going to have to go shopping for players in the next two transfer windows to make up for the players who will leave or who NUFC want to try to move on.
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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 5 January 2014, 12:50:21 pm »
It will make no logical sense if NUFC don't get a new striker this transfer window.

stopped reading here tbh
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Offline LoveItIfWeBeatU

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 31 January 2014, 10:02:55 pm »
Well, the January transfer window has been a failure (unless de Jong turns out really well). The Summer transfer window is going to be hard work. The number of players leaving and the number of players the club don't want any more is high. Trying to get players during a World Cup Summer transfer window is never easy. Players playing in the World Cup tend to go on holiday afterwards so there's even less time to sort out their transfer.

http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/pardew-got-build-another-team-summer-jfk-plan-buy-1-2-players-season-newcastle-united-squad/

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Alan Pardew

“I already think that I have built 2 teams here, firstly the one with Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse.

“Then you could argue that the back end of last season and this one, I’ve built another team with Gouffran, Remy, Cabaye and Sissoko.

“Now I have to go and build another one this summer.

“Summer’s going to be very important because of the players we have with 2 years left on their contract and the situation within the group.

“We have got a very young team and it turns over quickly at Newcastle, you need to have a clear mind where you are going with it.

“Not even my ego would have envisaged the building of 3 teams.

“I assumed that I would build one but I have always had a vision of how I want to play and we have worked towards that.

“If we don’t replace Cabaye we might have to change the style of play a bit because of the personnel I have available.”
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Offline alexthegreat

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 February 2014, 10:05:20 pm »
There's going to be a lot to do this summer.

Jonas, Ameobi, Gosling – contracts expire this summer
Ben Arfa – one year left on deal, looks likely to leave
Marveaux , Obertan, Cisse – could easily see all three leaving
Coloccini – clearly wants to go back to Argentina
Remy, De Jong – not our players
Can’t see any of our loan players making the grade – maybe Tavernier and Good still have a slight chance. It’s surely still too soon for Campbell as well. Ryan Taylor is unlikely to play for us again.


Potentially that leaves a 1st team squad of:

Krul Elliot Alnwick

Haidera Debuchy Williamson Mbwia Taylor Santon Dummett

Sissoko Anita Tiote Bigirimana

Sammy Gouffran

Let's hope Mike splashes the cash this summer.

Offline Wallace

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 February 2014, 11:04:54 pm »
There's going to be a lot to do this summer.

Jonas, Ameobi, Gosling – contracts expire this summer
Ben Arfa – one year left on deal, looks likely to leave
Marveaux , Obertan, Cisse – could easily see all three leaving
Coloccini – clearly wants to go back to Argentina
Remy, De Jong – not our players
Can’t see any of our loan players making the grade – maybe Tavernier and Good still have a slight chance. It’s surely still too soon for Campbell as well. Ryan Taylor is unlikely to play for us again.


Potentially that leaves a 1st team squad of:

Krul Elliot Alnwick

Haidera Debuchy Williamson Mbwia Taylor Santon Dummett

Sissoko Anita Tiote Bigirimana

Sammy Gouffran

Let's hope Mike splashes the cash this summer.

And if the club don't do anything quickly to show some ambition, I can imagine Krul and  Debuchy going.  There have also been rumours about clubs being interested in Tiote  and the return to Italy stories for Santon never go away.

I think they are going to have no choice but to buy some players but whether they are what we need and of a good enough standard is another matter.

Offline LoveItIfWeBeatU

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 February 2014, 10:20:43 am »
Jonas Gutierrez contract runs out in Summer 2015.

My view is Mike Ashley is going to have to spend big this Summer (or sell the club to someone who will). If he doesn't there is a good chance NUFC will be relegated. £70m TV money is reliant on being in the Premiership. It would be cheaper for Mike Ashley to spend £69m on players and wages in the Summer than to risk relegation. NUFC is an asset to Ashley. If NUFC get relegated the value of his asset will plummet. Logic dictates that he has to spend big. I acknowledge logic doesn't always seem to come into Ashley's thinking so he may not spend big.

We need fire power and that costs big money. We need to buy strikers. We need to buy goal scoring and creating midfielders. We need to buy players who can take a free kick.

They better be working on those deals now. Don't wait until the transfer window has been open a few weeks. Arrange to buy Rémy Cabella AND Clement Grenier before the transfer window opens. If we can't buy them move on to someone else off Graham Carr's list.
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Offline chopey

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 February 2014, 11:20:18 am »
If I was the owner of a club and I wanted to sell it, I would sell my best players and then get in loans to fill the gaps in the squad.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 February 2014, 12:03:59 pm »
If I was the owner of a club and I wanted to sell it, I would sell my best players and then get in loans to fill the gaps in the squad.

You would also have to be content with a lower asking price though. There's no way your average buyer would pay you the same rate for a depleted squad.
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Offline LoveItIfWeBeatU

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What sort of players do we NEED to get in the Summer?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 12:20:11 pm »
What sort of players do you think we NEED to get in the Summer? I'm not talking about nice to haves, I'm talking about need to haves so we aren't relegated.

Free kick and corner taking specialist
We need to buy at least one player who can take a decent free kick. Ideally we'd buy more than one. I remember the days when we had Solano, Robert and Shearer standing over the ball when we won a free kick. With Cabaye sold we don't have a free kick specialist (apart from the injured Ryan Taylor who wouldn't be a first choice player anyway). Currently when we get a free kick in a dangerous position it goes to waste. It seems since Cabaye was sold just about every player has had a go at taking a free kick or corner.

Strikers
At the moment we have Remy on loan as our only reliable goal threat. Unfortunately he is unlikely to stay. Even if he does stay we would just be standing still. Without him we fall backwards. Shola is a non-goal scoring striker who is out of contract in the Summer. Cisse is completely out of form and has been for some time. Luuk de Jong is on loan. He hasn't had a good season for 2 years. He has until the end of the season to prove himself worthy of buying. We have Gouffran, a forward who plays on the wing. I think he has only played once as an out and out striker for NUFC. After them are the likes of Adam Armstrong and Adam Campbell (currently not getting a start for St.Mirren).

We desperately need to get goal scoring strikers. I shouldn't really need to say "goal scoring" striker as scoring goals is the strikers job description. It's just at the moment we have a lot of strikers who don't score goals. Without Remy we are toothless. If we sign Remy we also need another goal scorer as cover for when Remy is injured or out of form. If we don't sign Remy we need to buy at least two strikers.

Creative Midfielders
We don't really have any wingers which makes our the job of our strikers more difficult. We don't have any players who can beat a man and then cross the ball into the box. If we decided to only play with one out and out striker then we would need better attacking options from the midfield. Cabaye needs to be replaced.

Defence
Coloccini isn't getting any younger. He seems to be getting injured more frequently. That's before we consider whether he wants to leave or not. Another right back would be good for when Debuchy isn't fit. At the moment we play Yanga-Mbiwa at right back when Debuchy is out and Yanga-Mbiwa is not a right back.

Goal Keeper
Krul knows he will start every game he is fit. He needs some real competition to push him.
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« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 12:30:26 pm »
I think the main concern for next season has to be to recruit some genuine quality up front and some players who can offer genuine width. We will need to do that so we can ensure staying in the division. With those additions, it doesn't really matter what Pardew does week to week as the players themselves should be able to pick up enough points. It goes without saying of course, that we should not expect anything more than a top 10 finish, because that would require spending more on players we genuinely need rather than good value players. Also we would need to invest in a quality manager who could shape a team and give them direction and none of these things are going to happen.

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« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 12:43:59 pm »
We need to do everything possible to get Remy to stay, he's so important to us. It's so obvious we won't though :(

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 01:41:34 pm »
decide on a way of playing and go with it, for example don't sign a striker like de jong if we don't intend to sign anyone who can f***ing cross a ball to him

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Offline nufc4eva

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 01:53:49 pm »
We need at least one out and out winger, 2 strikers and a attacking mid. We could also do with some young players stepping up / buy a few squad players. I would sell the following:

- Obertan
- Steven Taylor
- Marveaux
- Gosling
- Cisse
- Santon/Haidara/Dummet - one of these

Maybe look to bring in a few british players if possible to balance out the team. Would like to see players playing at high tempo and getting at teams from every angle. We seem to dilly dally on the ball, mainly because we don't drive at team enough and create space. We need Sissokho breaking at teams with quick skillful players around him, always breaking with at least 3 or 4 of the team.

I wouldn't be totally against us being a direct team if we had the wingers and strikers to support this, we just need to be more of a threat going forward. Happy to have 2 holding midfielders with 4 in front of them having a go.

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« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 02:06:08 pm »
I don't know how you lot have the energy.

Offline LoveItIfWeBeatU

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« Reply #14 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 03:25:03 pm »
I don't know how you lot have the energy.
My post was about the sort of players we need to avoid being in a relegation scrap next season. It's not what I think we will get. I cancelled my season ticket a few days after Cabaye was sold when it became obvious no replacement would arrive. I have very little hope that what needs to happen in the Summer will happen. As I said earlier in the thread though it makes no logical sense for Mike Ashley not to spend: -

My view is Mike Ashley is going to have to spend big this Summer (or sell the club to someone who will). If he doesn't there is a good chance NUFC will be relegated. £70m TV money is reliant on being in the Premiership. It would be cheaper for Mike Ashley to spend £69m on players and wages in the Summer than to risk relegation. NUFC is an asset to Ashley. If NUFC get relegated the value of his asset will plummet. Logic dictates that he has to spend big. I acknowledge logic doesn't always seem to come into Ashley's thinking so he may not spend big.
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Offline Mole_Toonfan

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 04:12:55 pm »
Ashley will do what's always done.

The bare minimum necessary to protect his investment.... which surprise surprise will put the team in relegation trouble next season.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 04:30:35 pm »
Would think Debuchey will have told his agent to find a new club. I reckon if we can get our money back then we'll let him go.

Would also think MYM could be off. Pardew doesn't rate him so it would be better to sell him nsoon and see if Fat Bashley will reinvest any of that in CB  he does want. Tomkins for example.
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« Reply #17 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 04:56:53 pm »
Need:
- Keeper competition for Tim Krul
- Towering, Commanding and Organizing CB
- Right Back as a squad player / competition for Debuchy
- LW / RW - genuine wingers or wide midfielders who can cross and have pace
- Creative Attacking Midfielder - one who can unlock defenses with a pass, has genuine dribbling ability in and around the box, and has an eye for goal.
- Strikers (3) - Yes, we need at least 3.

By my count, that could be as many 10 new players. :lol:

Honestly, our squad is pretty worthless. We're only as good as whichever 1-3 players are on top form to get a result for us.
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Offline NewJerseyMag

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« Reply #18 on: Monday 17 March 2014, 05:01:10 pm »
We're doomed Capt Mainwaring, doomed.

If the FCB doesn't spend big, especially on  a striker, we've had it next season. We have Remy and he went to QPR for $$$. Give him a large pay packet and he would stay.... he has previous.
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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 18 March 2014, 03:17:17 am »
Ashley didn't back Pardew last time, why would he this summer?

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 18 March 2014, 03:35:57 am »
it's interesting the amount of people already acknowledging that we're almost certainly going to have a s*** season next year when we're in 9th place :lol:
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Offline Conjo

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« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 18 March 2014, 08:54:19 am »
Need:
- Keeper competition for Tim Krul Alnwick
- Towering, Commanding and Organizing CB Williamson
- Right Back as a squad player / competition for Debuchy Santon
- LW / RW - genuine wingers or wide midfielders who can cross and have pace Obertan, Ben Arfa, Raylor, Sissoko, Ferguson, Sammy, Gutierrez
- Creative Attacking Midfielder - one who can unlock defenses with a pass, has genuine dribbling ability in and around the box, and has an eye for goal. Can he tackle? Didn't think so. Next!
- Strikers (3) - Yes, we need at least 3. Cisse, Campbell, Armstrong, Ameobi for one more year

By my count, that could be as many 10 new players. :lol:

Honestly, our squad is pretty worthless. We're only as good as whichever 1-3 players are on top form to get a result for us.

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Offline LoveItIfWeBeatU

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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 18 March 2014, 11:51:53 am »
it's interesting the amount of people already acknowledging that we're almost certainly going to have a s*** season next year when we're in 9th place :lol:
Two major reasons why we are currently 9th in the league and not fighting relegation are Remy and Cabaye. We've already sold Cabaye and it's unlikely Remy will be here next season. When Remy doesn't play we don't score. NUFC have not bought any players for two transfer windows. There are my reasons for assuming next season will be s***.
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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 18 March 2014, 12:11:13 pm »
it's interesting the amount of people already acknowledging that we're almost certainly going to have a s*** season next year when we're in 9th place :lol:
Two major reasons why we are currently 9th in the league and not fighting relegation are Remy and Cabaye. We've already sold Cabaye and it's unlikely Remy will be here next season. When Remy doesn't play we don't score. NUFC have not bought any players for two transfer windows. There are my reasons for assuming next season will be s***.

Naw I know, I'm more surprised how many people are on the same page. A few were shot down when saying the same after finishing 5th.
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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 18 March 2014, 12:19:25 pm »
If the club want to finish in the same sweet spot next year they'll have to invest this summer. Not too much though, obviously.