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Offline Nobody

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15500 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 01:07:25 PM »
The process often changes when a goal is scored though, which means that the raw statistic isn't as valuable as it appears.

Lots of managers are the type that will instruct a decent attacking team to stop doing it upon taking the lead. So you might have loads of first half chances, score the 7th one, then drop in and defend it. You end up conceding late and end up with a 1-1 draw. The xG stats say that you should have won 3-1 but that doesn't tell the truth about the game and how it was managed. The xR was only 3-1 because you took so long to score the first, you might well have scored the first chance on offer, and then defended that. Identical strategy but one looks better for you on the data because your strikers missed a load of chances - but if they'd not missed the first, the other six never happen.

The statistic doesn't allow for a game to be changed by a goal, and it is therefore quite misleading, which is what I thought the point Nobody (Towelie) was making was (rather than a more simple "only the result matters" one).
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15501 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 01:34:43 PM »
I guess that’s fair enough, but results themselves are also subject to similar logic. And also quite a bit of randomness.

I just find it a bit old fashioned how everyone justifies their opinion based on a result, when in reality the have little idea of what they manager had actually done. If they’re not doing that here, all good.

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15502 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 02:21:21 PM »
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15503 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 03:18:12 PM »
Luke Edwards loves him tho
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15504 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 03:19:06 PM »
He's managing down expectations and taking the flack for the poor performance of others.

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15505 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 04:59:24 PM »
Expected goals is something that is good as an indicator over a long period of time. In specific games it's often effected by early goals, etc.
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15506 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 05:27:43 PM »
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15507 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 05:39:40 PM »
Surprised Everton haven't pulled the trigger on Silva.


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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15508 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 08:46:57 PM »
Surprised Everton haven't pulled the trigger on Silva.
maybe waiting til after liverpool hammer them midweek, don't want to dampen the good vibes of getting rid of him with liverpool trashing you after all

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15509 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:19:48 PM »
Arsenal have a four-man committee overseeing the managerial recruitment and have drawn up a shortlist of up to 12 names which will be reduced to a few candidates in the next week. The club have started to inteview people and ideally want to make an announcement in a month [Times]

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15510 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 12:03:44 AM »
Arsenal have a four-man committee overseeing the managerial recruitment and have drawn up a shortlist of up to 12 names which will be reduced to a few candidates in the next week. The club have started to inteview people and ideally want to make an announcement in a month [Times]

Take you time lads née rush.
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« Reply #15511 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 12:13:49 AM »
Arsenal have a four-man committee overseeing the managerial recruitment and have drawn up a shortlist of up to 12 names which will be reduced to a few candidates in the next week. The club have started to inteview people and ideally want to make an announcement in a month [Times]

Take you time lads née rush.

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15512 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 05:10:50 AM »
Perhaps Freddie Ljungberg will get a few results and a clamour can begin for the "old boy come home" schtick to play out again...?
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15513 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 11:07:11 AM »
River Plate manager short odds to replace Silva at Everton.

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« Reply #15514 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 01:59:13 PM »
Perhaps Freddie Ljungberg will get a few results and a clamour can begin for the "old boy come home" schtick to play out again...?
read somewhere he can't take over long term without special dispensation as he doesn't have a pro licence

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« Reply #15515 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 03:29:55 PM »
Perhaps Freddie Ljungberg will get a few results and a clamour can begin for the "old boy come home" schtick to play out again...?
read somewhere he can't take over long term without special dispensation as he doesn't have a pro licence

Yeah - I heard somewhere that he can't even be in the dug out for their European games as he's unqualified. Some s*** like that anyway.

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15516 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 10:20:30 PM »
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« Reply #15517 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 10:31:34 PM »
£20million release clause :kasper:

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« Reply #15518 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 10:40:58 PM »
It's weird that's still seen as such an enormous amount of money for a manager when plenty PL clubs will pay that for a reserve full back next summer.

Suppose players hold their value better and you don't have to give them a load more money to go away if they're s****.
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15519 on: Wednesday 4 December 2019, 12:52:55 AM »
And it'd be an even bigger obstacle to convince him to ditch this project.

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« Reply #15520 on: Wednesday 4 December 2019, 02:18:59 PM »
Atlético Madrid may part ways with manager Diego Simeone soon. Members of the board are dissapointed with the performances and had set out clear objectives for the League and Champions League.[Marca]

Simeone heading for Atlético Madrid divorce[The Mirror]
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/diego-simeone-heading-atletico-madrid-21023582

Surely not.
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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15521 on: Wednesday 4 December 2019, 02:35:18 PM »
It's weird that's still seen as such an enormous amount of money for a manager when plenty PL clubs will pay that for a reserve full back next summer.

Suppose players hold their value better and you don't have to give them a load more money to go away if they're s****.

Not sure the mackems would agree with you there.... :lol:

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« Reply #15522 on: Wednesday 4 December 2019, 04:21:04 PM »
Atlético Madrid may part ways with manager Diego Simeone soon. Members of the board are dissapointed with the performances and had set out clear objectives for the League and Champions League.[Marca]

Simeone heading for Atlético Madrid divorce[The Mirror]
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/diego-simeone-heading-atletico-madrid-21023582

Surely not.

No chance that's happening.

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15523 on: Wednesday 4 December 2019, 04:43:55 PM »
£20million release clause :kasper:

That's essentially what clubs would pay for one average PL player. As a manager, Rafa is about as close to a sure thing as you can get. £20m is a bargain!

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15524 on: Wednesday 4 December 2019, 05:12:10 PM »
Atlético Madrid may part ways with manager Diego Simeone soon. Members of the board are dissapointed with the performances and had set out clear objectives for the League and Champions League.[Marca]

Simeone heading for Atlético Madrid divorce[The Mirror]
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/diego-simeone-heading-atletico-madrid-21023582

Surely not.

No chance that's happening.

Isn't he the best paid manager in the world
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