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Offline tgarve

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Re: The Managerial Merry-go-round: Watford sack Flores
« Reply #15475 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 03:16:11 AM »
Rodgers in fantastic like. Leicester are second ffs.
I was being sarcastic ftr
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Offline Doctor Zaius

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« Reply #15476 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 03:51:59 AM »
Didnt mean to aim it at anyone in particular, more to stress what a job he's done imo

Offline Froggy

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« Reply #15477 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 06:04:23 AM »
Man utd fans I know (minus frogman) going off it with Saint Ole.

No I'm not definitely not happy the last couple of weeks. :lol: I don't mind dropping points against the top 6/7 teams as that's where we are at the minute but drawing at home to Villa isn't acceptable with the squad we have.

Offline Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #15478 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 06:13:35 AM »
Hughton would be making a mistake going to Watford like. Think he’d be better off waiting for a team in the Championship looking to go up rather than that job. Could be made for someone like Allardyce though.
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Offline neesy111

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« Reply #15479 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 06:18:02 AM »
Hughton would be making a mistake going to Watford like. Think he’d be better off waiting for a team in the Championship looking to go up rather than that job. Could be made for someone like Allardyce though.

Man utd imo.

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« Reply #15480 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 07:13:07 AM »
Gary Neville reckons OGS should be given a few windows. Is he daft? What if he has these windows, gets his own players in and is still a s**** coach?

Fair enough if there was some degree of tactical nous he is demonstrating but he's not. He's not shown he can barely get the best out of any of the players. Most managers worth their salt would be showing something at this point. He's been able to muster f*** all since the post Mourinho bounce.

Offline Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #15481 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 07:14:54 AM »
Hit lucky in his caretaker spell that Pogba got out of his huff with Mourinho imo. There was a 2 month spell he was class. Coincidence that now there’s no Pogba bossing things that it’s going to s***?
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« Reply #15482 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 07:15:38 AM »
He has Rashford in incredible form like to be fair, and our starting midfield is out injured, but we need to be beating Villa at home. No doubt about it.

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« Reply #15483 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 07:27:00 AM »
Gary Neville reckons OGS should be given a few windows. Is he daft? What if he has these windows, gets his own players in and is still a s**** coach?

Fair enough if there was some degree of tactical nous he is demonstrating but he's not. He's not shown he can barely get the best out of any of the players. Most managers worth their salt would be showing something at this point. He's been able to muster f*** all since the post Mourinho bounce.

Extremely he's bobbins.

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« Reply #15484 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 10:55:39 AM »
Gary Neville reckons OGS should be given a few windows. Is he daft? What if he has these windows, gets his own players in and is still a s**** coach?

Fair enough if there was some degree of tactical nous he is demonstrating but he's not. He's not shown he can barely get the best out of any of the players. Most managers worth their salt would be showing something at this point. He's been able to muster f*** all since the post Mourinho bounce.
can't remember now but what did Neville say at the end of Jose's time there?

Offline Minhosa

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« Reply #15485 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:01:45 AM »
Gary Neville reckons OGS should be given a few windows. Is he daft? What if he has these windows, gets his own players in and is still a s**** coach?

Fair enough if there was some degree of tactical nous he is demonstrating but he's not. He's not shown he can barely get the best out of any of the players. Most managers worth their salt would be showing something at this point. He's been able to muster f*** all since the post Mourinho bounce.
can't remember now but what did Neville say at the end of Jose's time there?

GN is stoicly pro-manager in fairness to him. He didn't want Moyes gone or Jose.

He's been consistently of the view that managers need time.

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« Reply #15486 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:03:49 AM »
Hughton and Clement the favourites for the Watford job. Not the most inspiring choices but might be what they need

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« Reply #15487 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:05:45 AM »
Hughton and Clement the favourites for the Watford job. Not the most inspiring choices

I was amazed to see CH as the bookies favourite.

Perhaps they need to be united as a squad and they see him as the best fit for that but he'd be a strange shout imho.

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« Reply #15488 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:10:37 AM »
Hope Hughton steers well clear - place is a graveyard from managers
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Offline Ian W

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« Reply #15489 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:26:42 AM »
Won’t they just import another random bloke from abroad.

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« Reply #15490 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:51:13 AM »
https://understat.com/league/EPL

Man U are 4th in expected points (and very close to Chelsea and Liverpool) so they've been very unlucky so far. Many think these stats are garbage but I don't think it's a coincidence that Poch and Emery are gone while Silva and OGS still have a job.

Offline ToonArmy1892

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« Reply #15491 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:52:58 AM »
Motd was hilarious last night, having a go at Martial and co for lack of movement/not getting on the end of crosses, then one of them said "Ole would have had a hat-trick if he was playing" without a hint of irony that it's his f***ing job to get them moving about.

Ole is a media darling and if it keeps him in the job longer then i hope it continues, he's absolutely s***.

Offline samptime29

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« Reply #15492 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:53:05 AM »
https://understat.com/league/EPL

Man U are 4th in expected points (and very close to Chelsea and Liverpool) so they've been very unlucky so far. Many think these stats are garbage but I don't think it's a coincidence that Poch and Emery are gone while Silva and OGS still have a job.

How do they work out the expected points? What's the metrics?

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« Reply #15493 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:58:29 AM »
https://understat.com/league/EPL

Man U are 4th in expected points (and very close to Chelsea and Liverpool) so they've been very unlucky so far. Many think these stats are garbage but I don't think it's a coincidence that Poch and Emery are gone while Silva and OGS still have a job.

How do they work out the expected points? What's the metrics?

They count how many points each team should have got from the match based on xG but I don't know the exact formula. For example, in us vs City we got 0.13 and City got 2.79 expected points.

Offline ToonArmy1892

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« Reply #15494 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 11:59:54 AM »
I bet chairmen don't go on expected points.

Offline Ian W

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« Reply #15495 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 12:01:57 PM »
I bet chairmen don't go on expected points.

They probably should.

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« Reply #15496 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 12:11:51 PM »
I bet chairmen don't go on expected points.

They probably should.
Seeing how much an actual goal impacts a game, they really shouldn't.

Offline Ian W

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« Reply #15497 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 12:27:59 PM »
I bet chairmen don't go on expected points.

They probably should.
Seeing how much an actual goal impacts a game, they really shouldn't.

Well this is my problem with football, it’s way too much about results. The manager could do all the right things and still lose, they should be much lore focused on the process than the outcome.

Offline ToonArmy1892

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« Reply #15498 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 12:33:54 PM »
It tells them they need to sign a better goalscorer i suppose.

Offline Wullie

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« Reply #15499 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 12:48:36 PM »
The process often changes when a goal is scored though, which means that the raw statistic isn't as valuable as it appears.

Lots of managers are the type that will instruct a decent attacking team to stop doing it upon taking the lead. So you might have loads of first half chances, score the 7th one, then drop in and defend it. You end up conceding late and end up with a 1-1 draw. The xG stats say that you should have won 3-1 but that doesn't tell the truth about the game and how it was managed. The xR was only 3-1 because you took so long to score the first, you might well have scored the first chance on offer, and then defended that. Identical strategy but one looks better for you on the data because your strikers missed a load of chances - but if they'd not missed the first, the other six never happen.

The statistic doesn't allow for a game to be changed by a goal, and it is therefore quite misleading, which is what I thought the point Nobody (Towelie) was making was (rather than a more simple "only the result matters" one).
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