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Offline Tribesman

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« Reply #14375 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 07:07:45 pm »
The “Keegan - tactically naive!” thing does my nut in to be honest.  He might not have been big on organising the defensive shape and working on set plays but he knew football and how to win football matches.  I remember plenty of games at SJP where we were say cruising 2-0 up in the 2nd half and we would just keep the ball for 10-15 minutes to demoralise the other side, then we’d go and get another couple of goals towards the end.  That’s not being tactically naive to stupidly gung-ho, it comes from someone who was one of the best at what he did.

I find that when teams lose playing open and attacking football they are lazily dismissed for being tactically naive. Theres a feeling that stifling the opposition attack rather than dismantling the opposition defence are only worthy of being called genius tactics.

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« Reply #14376 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 07:11:35 pm »
Has Allegri got another job lined up ?

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« Reply #14377 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 07:26:50 pm »
The “Keegan - tactically naive!” thing does my nut in to be honest.  He might not have been big on organising the defensive shape and working on set plays but he knew football and how to win football matches.  I remember plenty of games at SJP where we were say cruising 2-0 up in the 2nd half and we would just keep the ball for 10-15 minutes to demoralise the other side, then we’d go and get another couple of goals towards the end.  That’s not being tactically naive to stupidly gung-ho, it comes from someone who was one of the best at what he did.

I find that when teams lose playing open and attacking football they are lazily dismissed for being tactically naive. Theres a feeling that stifling the opposition attack rather than dismantling the opposition defence are only worthy of being called genius tactics.

I suppose it’s down to whatever you class as great tactics.  To me it’s all sorts of things such as making sure you win a game when you’re in the lead, making the right changes when things aren’t going well, and recognising where you can hurt the opposition.  Keegan was good these i think, as is Rafa even though he’s seen as a defensive coach.  Defensive shape and organisation etc. definitely does come into it, but it’s not the main thing that makes a master tactician like some of the dinosaur pundits would have everyone believe.
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« Reply #14378 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 07:36:54 pm »
The “Keegan - tactically naive!” thing does my nut in to be honest.  He might not have been big on organising the defensive shape and working on set plays but he knew football and how to win football matches.  I remember plenty of games at SJP where we were say cruising 2-0 up in the 2nd half and we would just keep the ball for 10-15 minutes to demoralise the other side, then we’d go and get another couple of goals towards the end.  That’s not being tactically naive to stupidly gung-ho, it comes from someone who was one of the best at what he did.

I find that when teams lose playing open and attacking football they are lazily dismissed for being tactically naive. Theres a feeling that stifling the opposition attack rather than dismantling the opposition defence are only worthy of being called genius tactics.

I suppose it’s down to whatever you class as great tactics.  To me it’s all sorts of things such as making sure you win a game when you’re in the lead, making the right changes when things aren’t going well, and recognising where you can hurt the opposition.  Keegan was good these i think, as is Rafa even though he’s seen as a defensive coach.  Defensive shape and organisation etc. definitely does come into it, but it’s not the main thing that makes a master tactician like some of the dinosaur pundits would have everyone believe.

As much as i loved them years in the 90s and think Keegan was awesome for us and it gave me the best memories i have as a toon fan its a crying shame Bobby didn't come when Keegan had left as he initially agreed to  as id have loved to have seen him with that squad wed have been on a different level
and now Tudor's gone down for Newcastle

Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #14379 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 07:49:41 pm »


:lol: :thup:

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« Reply #14380 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 09:58:29 pm »
Don't really do negative awards anymore.
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« Reply #14381 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 10:34:02 pm »
Competition would be fierce.

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« Reply #14382 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 10:58:47 pm »
Keegan isn’t my type of manager
I'm a bit late to the party but what in god's name is this opinon :lol:
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« Reply #14383 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 11:03:52 pm »
Keegan isn’t my type of manager
I'm a bit late to the party but what in god's name is this opinon :lol:

Only came 3rd with a promoted club and finished as top scorers to boot. Bloke is a dirty fraud - a failure, the money he wasted on Mike Jeffrey will never be forgotten. Thankfully Real Mike treated him accordingly.

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« Reply #14384 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 11:05:45 pm »
:lol: :anguish: Weirdly obsessed with the abilities of football managers yet doesn't rate the best one in our recent history, who completely transformed our club and had us playing some of the best football in Europe, becoming one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

Cheers, I've seen enough.  Think most have.

Rafa Benitez is the best manager CV wise the club has ever had.

Kevin Keegan isn’t even anywhere near Sir Bobby in managerial CV.

Keegan isn’t on the same planet as Rafa Benitez as a manager the CV of both men tell you that :thup:


What relevance does Rafa's CV at other clubs have when discussing best Newcastle managers? If you think Rafa has done more for Newcastle than Keegan did then I don't know what to say.
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Offline geordiedean

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« Reply #14385 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 11:13:34 pm »
:lol: :anguish: Weirdly obsessed with the abilities of football managers yet doesn't rate the best one in our recent history, who completely transformed our club and had us playing some of the best football in Europe, becoming one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

Cheers, I've seen enough.  Think most have.

Rafa Benitez is the best manager CV wise the club has ever had.

Kevin Keegan isn’t even anywhere near Sir Bobby in managerial CV.

Keegan isn’t on the same planet as Rafa Benitez as a manager the CV of both men tell you that :thup:


What relevance does Rafa's CV at other clubs have when discussing best Newcastle managers? If you think Rafa has done more for Newcastle than Keegan did then I don't know what to say.

Rafa has a great CV and has done well at other clubs but to say hes been better for NUFC than Keegan or Bobby is outrageous
and now Tudor's gone down for Newcastle

Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #14386 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 11:51:48 pm »
I clearly said the best manager to ever manage us in terms of CV :thup:

1st Rafa Benitez
2nd Sir Bobby Robson





Keegan
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« Reply #14387 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 11:56:31 pm »
Keegan is the most important manager in our recent history. Your reply went off on a tangent about Rafa and Bobby's achievements at other clubs, don't see how that was a relevant reply to what Keegan did for NUFC.
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Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #14388 on: Friday 17 May 2019, 11:56:50 pm »
We should always be grateful for the overall job Kevin Keegan did though one of the best and biggest contributors to our history :thup:

To be clear.
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Offline Disco

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« Reply #14389 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 12:00:10 am »
Seen better saves from Jak Alnwick.

Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #14390 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 12:01:21 am »
Seen better saves from Jak Alnwick.

 :azn:
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« Reply #14391 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 12:03:37 am »
I clearly said the best manager to ever manage us in terms of CV :thup:

1st Rafa Benitez
2nd Sir Bobby Robson





Keegan

That's quite a gap to fill :lol:
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Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #14392 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 12:16:35 am »
I clearly said the best manager to ever manage us in terms of CV :thup:

1st Rafa Benitez
2nd Sir Bobby Robson





Keegan

That's quite a gap to fill :lol:

The CV of Rafa Benitez and Sir Bobby Robson are on another planet to Keegan though.

On CV alone Keegan wouldn’t even get a second interview up against them two :lol:
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« Reply #14393 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 12:18:39 am »
Why are you obsessed with their achievements outside of NUFC? got f*** all to do with us
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« Reply #14394 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 12:52:20 am »
Why are you obsessed with their achievements outside of NUFC? got f*** all to do with us

I was just making the point that Keegan was just a good Newcastle manager not a great manager.

Rafa Benitez and Sir Bobby Robson proved to be great managers all over the world.

Rafa Benitez and Sir Bobby both won trophies in 3 different leagues by far the best we’ve had in terms of highest level of manager in charge of the club :thup:
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« Reply #14395 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 01:10:38 am »
Who's the best ever Newcastle player? Nicky Butt I reckon. Check out the CV on that little ginger f***er. :snod:
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Offline leffe186

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« Reply #14396 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 03:09:33 am »
Thought Klopp didn't have a winner's mentality. Or is it Pochettino? I can't keep up. Suppose we'll find out on June 1st cos they can't both have one.

Well quite.

We will :snod:

Pochettino has lost like 17 times this season with a lineup that cost on average £300million.

“Miracle” worker though :rolleyes:

Got Spurs to a CL final.

And it's hot s*** anyway. Cba to find their most appeared XI but the strongest is arguably:

Lloris - 12m

Sanchez - 42m
Alderweireld - 11.5m
Vertonghen - 12m

Trippier - 3.5m
Sissoko - 30m
Eriksen - 11m
Rose - 1m

Son - 22m
Kane - Nowt
Alli - 5m

Total - £150m

Even if you add in Lucas (22m), Lamela (25m) and Aurier (22.5m) for their 3 cheapest players it's still wildly inaccurate. Maybe he's stuffing 50's into the players kegs but that'd be a lot of notes.

I'm not trying to even enter this argument, but wasn't most of that team purchased like prior to the most recent super inflation of transfer fees? Literally honest question. I recall at the time thinking Son was expensive as f*** in context to other deals.

There are a couple of points there. If we're looking at other transfer fees in that window then we see:

De Bruyne - 55M
Di Maria (to PSG) - 44.3M
Sterling - 44M
Martial - 36M
Benteke - 32.5M
Otamendi - 32M
Depay - 31M
Firmino - 29M
Schneiderlin - 25M

So was he expensive as f***? In retrospect, absolutely not. In addition, I think you kinda reinforce my point. I suspect that you thought he was expensive as f*** at the time because he wasn't as high profile or proven, so it seemed like a lot of money to pay. We have had to take those kind of risks because - like I say - we haven't been able to compete with the other five for wages and/or fees for the proven stars. Our other buys that window? Alderweireld for 11.5M, N'Jie for 8.3M, Wimmer for 4.3M and Trippier for 3.5M. Two absolute bargains, one guy we managed to shift on for a significant profit, and one of those risks that didn't pay off.

Poch has done an extraordinary job.
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« Reply #14397 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 03:42:22 am »
Who's the best ever Newcastle player? Nicky Butt I reckon. Check out the CV on that little ginger f***er. :snod:

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« Reply #14398 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 06:32:17 am »
I remember how we were struggling to balance all the players Allardyce has signed so Keegan with his lack of tactical nous played Owen in the hole behind Viduka and Martins and it actually worked

That tactic was amazing. Then Mike Ashley ruined it :(

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« Reply #14399 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 09:13:04 am »
Why are you obsessed with their achievements outside of NUFC? got f*** all to do with us

I was just making the point that Keegan was just a good Newcastle manager not a great manager.

Rafa Benitez and Sir Bobby Robson proved to be great managers all over the world.

Rafa Benitez and Sir Bobby both won trophies in 3 different leagues by far the best we’ve had in terms of highest level of manager in charge of the club :thup:

Mustn’t forget about the glory days of trophy-laden Dalglish, Gullit and Souness. Even Roeder won the Intertoto Cup and Pardew won a friendly tournament in Spain
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