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Offline Segun Oluwaniyi

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #725 on: Monday 19 August 2019, 03:35:09 pm »

Sounds class. Must be even better when the game isn’t even on TV.
Are stadiums in England also not showing any replays of VAR incidents to supporters? To me, this was the biggest problem at the World Cup with VAR. For the most part, people in the crowd didn't have any idea what was going on outside of the VAR review notification and the end result. During Argentina-Nigeria, a header by Rojo flicked off his arm in the box (would have been a clear penalty under the new rules I believe), but it wasn't anything noticeable for me, sat closer to the other end. Between our players crowding the ref, the referee having to communicate to the VAR official, and the actual review; there was probably a three-four minute break in the match, during which we received no clear explanation as to what was happening. The experience with it is much worse for people who are actually at the match compared with those watching at home or in the pub, which is not acceptable. If this is the way forward, they need to go full Yankee with this and at least engage the crowd and keep them informed.


I would think it would be even worse in the Premier League when an incident we did not see is then adjudicated by some third party we also cannot see. It should be the referee for any judgement based decision.
Does it though?

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Read the thread.
This is pretty reflective of my views of the VAR calls for players offside by a millimetre or two. We are reviewing the position of a minimum of three bodies (two players and a ball) that are in motion and stopping time at the indeterminable point in time that a ball is "passed". The idea that this is an exact science is laughable and ruinous to the game of football. Offside is at its essence a simple rule, now we are using freeze-frame and trying to determine the point where Raheem Sterling's scapula turns into his humerus. This is what replay does in a sport. In the NFL, we are stopping the game to determine if the ball touched one blade of grass, and in the NBA we are stopping the game to see if a player's fingernail contacted the ball. Football will head the same way. It is inevitable.
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Offline Jimburst

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #726 on: Monday 19 August 2019, 03:37:13 pm »
It's a question of grammar there like. I'm not English expert but I'd have read it like Wullie has.
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #727 on: Monday 19 August 2019, 03:44:20 pm »
I have absolutely no doubt what the law is meant to be doing, and the referees and the press are all going off how the law should have been written for what it is intended, not what it actually is.

Ignore the BBC, Michael Oliver, whoever - read the words that have been written down. There's a typo in there for good measure ("touches", should be touched). It's appallingly written, which is ironic seeing as the whole thing has been done solely for the benefit of people obsessed with accuracy and the LETTER OF THE LAW.
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Offline Disco

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #728 on: Monday 19 August 2019, 04:01:31 pm »

Sounds class. Must be even better when the game isn’t even on TV.
Are stadiums in England also not showing any replays of VAR incidents to supporters? To me, this was the biggest problem at the World Cup with VAR. For the most part, people in the crowd didn't have any idea what was going on outside of the VAR review notification and the end result. During Argentina-Nigeria, a header by Rojo flicked off his arm in the box (would have been a clear penalty under the new rules I believe), but it wasn't anything noticeable for me, sat closer to the other end. Between our players crowding the ref, the referee having to communicate to the VAR official, and the actual review; there was probably a three-four minute break in the match, during which we received no clear explanation as to what was happening. The experience with it is much worse for people who are actually at the match compared with those watching at home or in the pub, which is not acceptable. If this is the way forward, they need to go full Yankee with this and at least engage the crowd and keep them informed.


I would think it would be even worse in the Premier League when an incident we did not see is then adjudicated by some third party we also cannot see. It should be the referee for any judgement based decision.
Does it though?

?s=19

Read the thread.
This is pretty reflective of my views of the VAR calls for players offside by a millimetre or two. We are reviewing the position of a minimum of three bodies (two players and a ball) that are in motion and stopping time at the indeterminable point in time that a ball is "passed". The idea that this is an exact science is laughable and ruinous to the game of football. Offside is at its essence a simple rule, now we are using freeze-frame and trying to determine the point where Raheem Sterling's scapula turns into his humerus. This is what replay does in a sport. In the NFL, we are stopping the game to determine if the ball touched one blade of grass, and in the NBA we are stopping the game to see if a player's fingernail contacted the ball. Football will head the same way. It is inevitable.

Not as far as I’m aware. A message just pops up on screen if they’re reviewing however even if they did a fair few grounds don’t have big screens (Man Utd, Liverpool) or if they do they’re not in position for everyone to see (ourselves) so that’s another issue.

Offline Amir_9

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #729 on: Monday 19 August 2019, 07:07:00 pm »
All for VAR to be honest. I'd rather watch a game with the correct rules applied as much as possible. That's just me personally.

VAR doesn't make any of the new rules any less confusing or surprising.

It's there to highlight the sort of decisions that can have teams avoid relegation rightfully and teams to qualify/win what they deserve correctly. Over the span of the season for me this is more important than "but we can't celebrate like we usually do"

Offline morla84

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #730 on: Monday 19 August 2019, 07:11:13 pm »
Surely they could use the electronic advertisement hoardings to send a message to the fans of what is being reviewed and show what the official is seeing on the big screen, put a limit on the review time and ask everyone to sit in their seats for 5 mins after a goal before its approved?

Offline neesy111

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #731 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 06:55:34 am »
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #732 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 07:10:50 am »
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There's a fair few believe twoddle like that tho.

Offline 1964

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #733 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 07:11:39 am »
This is a man given television time who thinks that the EU, which for all intents and purposes is a trade organisation governs football

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #734 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 09:56:42 am »
that is remarkable
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #735 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 10:16:51 am »
I think Holloway has made a push for the Brexitland PFM Prime Minister slot there, a dark horse but it's a bold pitch

Allardyce could be his Chancellor, need to find a role for Redknapp probs
So raise your fists and march around
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And smother the rest in greed
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Or i'll drag you to your grave
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They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline Ian W

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #736 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 10:26:43 am »
Redknapp would want Chancellor.

Offline leffe186

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #737 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 10:40:02 am »
I have absolutely no doubt what the law is meant to be doing, and the referees and the press are all going off how the law should have been written for what it is intended, not what it actually is.

Ignore the BBC, Michael Oliver, whoever - read the words that have been written down. There's a typo in there for good measure ("touches", should be touched). It's appallingly written, which is ironic seeing as the whole thing has been done solely for the benefit of people obsessed with accuracy and the LETTER OF THE LAW.

I suppose you could argue that he “gains possession” because if it doesn’t hit his arm it goes straight through to Ndombele, whereas his arm diverts it straight to Jesus. Like, if somebody punches the ball into the net they didn’t control the ball themselves, but they effectively gained possession.

It’s clearly an accident, but they also clearly scored a goal as a direct result of it hitting his arm. The question then is simply what we want refs to do with that information, plus all the other information on a video (pushing, offsides etc).
Obviously, I'm speaking of a hypothetical world in which there is a greater club than Tottenham.

Offline Nobody

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #738 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 11:32:39 am »
I have absolutely no doubt what the law is meant to be doing, and the referees and the press are all going off how the law should have been written for what it is intended, not what it actually is.

Ignore the BBC, Michael Oliver, whoever - read the words that have been written down. There's a typo in there for good measure ("touches", should be touched). It's appallingly written, which is ironic seeing as the whole thing has been done solely for the benefit of people obsessed with accuracy and the LETTER OF THE LAW.

I suppose you could argue that he “gains possession” because if it doesn’t hit his arm it goes straight through to Ndombele, whereas his arm diverts it straight to Jesus. Like, if somebody punches the ball into the net they didn’t control the ball themselves, but they effectively gained possession.

It’s clearly an accident, but they also clearly scored a goal as a direct result of it hitting his arm. The question then is simply what we want refs to do with that information, plus all the other information on a video (pushing, offsides etc).
Aye. Guess Laporte "gains possession" the moment the ball hits his hand, according to the rules. It's still absolute horse s*** that they have another rule depending on what happens after the incident. Either it's a foul or not, it shouldn't matter what happens after.

Offline Wullie

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #739 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 11:42:11 am »
Scenario: Blue defender handles the ball accidentally in his own penalty area, clearly not a penalty, arms by his side, whatever. He immediately boots the ball downfield to his striker, who scores. The original handball in his own box is now an offence because of the goal.

Is it a) a penalty to Red, b) an indirect free kick in the Blue box to Red or c) nobody knows because IFAB haven't thought their daft rule change through?
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Offline Nobody

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #740 on: Wednesday 21 August 2019, 11:45:48 am »
Scenario: Blue defender handles the ball accidentally in his own penalty area, clearly not a penalty, arms by his side, whatever. He immediately boots the ball downfield to his striker, who scores. The original handball in his own box is now an offence because of the goal.

Is it a) a penalty to Red, b) an indirect free kick in the Blue box to Red or c) nobody knows because IFAB haven't thought their daft rule change through?
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