Topic: Andy Carroll finally scores for United again- 10 years and eight days later

[Zero]

and yes I did read the posts.  I just thought the reasoning in that part was a bit off.  This is in no way worse than relegation though.  Anyone who actually thinks that has recently been chasing the dragon.

No problem then

[hobshobs]

I can't believe that someone think we are even worse than the relegated season. 

Do you ever read things and take it in? I said "With the squad he's got to hand he is easily the worst." Pointless trying to converse with some on here. Zero by name, ZERO UP TOP obviously

Easily the worst?  With a squad that we were even forced to play the likes of Sammy and Shane last Christmas?  Simpson as center back cover? Jonas as left back? And the all mighty Ameobi as our only cover for Cisse?  With only Obertan as our real winger? With 3 french imports who are thrown to the fire without any time for settling down and adjust to the league?

Are you serious?

Forced to play the likes of Sammy and Shane last Christmas?
What are you talking about? In the whole of December and January, Sammy started two games, Shane one. They both stared against Brighton in the FA Cup and Sammy's other start was against Bordeaux away, that was it. Effectively what Pardew would class as reserve outings. So he wasn't forced to play them at all, he chose to. Any other games they took part in around Christmas (Start of December to end of January shall we say) they came off the bench. Didn't he make Shola captain for the Brighton match? Someone for the youngsters to look to for advice, guidance and inspiration but Shola got himself sent off. Another master stroke from Pardew. Make your most gutless lazy player the captain and get him to lead the youngsters. Laughable.

Simpson as center back cover?
We have Taylor, Coloccini, MBiwa and Williamson. That's four. You do know you only have two centre back positions. So saying Simpson was centre back cover is like saying Cisse is wing cover.

Jonas as left back?
Totally Pardew's doing. Sunday against Arsenal, MBiwa was outstanding at left back, Pardew took him off and put Jonas (again having a poor game) to left back. A lot of us gave up trying to work out what goes on in Pardew's head a long time ago.

Ameobi as our only cover for Cisse?
Cover? Pardew had him REPLACING Cisse in a good few games. Shola through the middle and Cisse punted out to the wing. Aye, he's a managerial genius.

With only Obertan as our real winger?
Wouldn't say he's a real winger by any stretch of the imagination. Hard pressed to say he was a real footballer. Again it's Pardew who has seen fit to play Obertan ahead of Marveaux. No idea why. Could be because he's bigger and stronger and suits the Pardew / Allardyce / Pullis style of play.

With 3 french imports who are thrown to the fire without any time for settling down and adjust to the league?
Any shortcomings that the our French additions may have shown since they arrived would have nothing to do with the managers formations and tactics of course.

Yes, I am serious about Pardew being the worst I've seen.

[Dave]

Hope Carroll signs for West Ham ASAP.

[hobshobs]

What a bizarre way of looking at things.  Saying that the 2008/09 team was decent enough on paper and shouldn't have been relegated as some sort of f***ed up justification for making your case for Pardew?  Somehow this empowers Pardew because he avoided relegation by the skin of his nutsack?

Some people need to learn some simple basica programming to understand simple cause and effect algorithms.

Read all the posts before replying, please. Don't tell me you agree with hobshobs that relegation was not the lowest point in recent times.

When did I say anywhere that relegation was not the lowest point? I've never even mentioned relegation on here. You seem to make a lot of things up to suit your own agenda Mr Zero. As I said earlier ZERO up top in your case.

[hatem garrincha]

Hope Carroll signs for West Ham ASAP.

[Zero]

Hope Carroll signs for West Ham ASAP.

So do I. Next target please.

[ujpest doza]

Add to that we've still got the worst manager I've ever come across following The Toon.

You've followed us for 45 years and think Souness, McGarry, Roeder, Charlton and Allardyce were better than Pardew?

I think you're letting a poor season blind you to reason mind.

[Dave]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4931927/Alan-Pardew-interested-in-signing-striker-Andy-Carroll.html

ALAN PARDEW admits he would be interested in bringing Andy Carroll back to Tyneside.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alan-pardew-wont-bring-andy-1904587

No going back: Alan Pardew not interested in Andy Carroll return to Newcastle

[Brendan_Rice]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4931927/Alan-Pardew-interested-in-signing-striker-Andy-Carroll.html

ALAN PARDEW admits he would be interested in bringing Andy Carroll back to Tyneside.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alan-pardew-wont-bring-andy-1904587

No going back: Alan Pardew not interested in Andy Carroll return to Newcastle

they just make this s*** up

[NewJerseyMag]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4931927/Alan-Pardew-interested-in-signing-striker-Andy-Carroll.html

ALAN PARDEW admits he would be interested in bringing Andy Carroll back to Tyneside.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alan-pardew-wont-bring-andy-1904587

No going back: Alan Pardew not interested in Andy Carroll return to Newcastle

Guess Dekka told him he was "avin a larf" if he thought we were going to spend 15million on a player.

[hobshobs]

Add to that we've still got the worst manager I've ever come across following The Toon.

You've followed us for 45 years and think Souness, McGarry, Roeder, Charlton and Allardyce were better than Pardew?

I think you're letting a poor season blind you to reason mind.

Souness, McGarry, Roeder, Charlton and Allardyce did not have squads that were 100% set up to play football on the deck like we are now. In the majority of cases they had squads that only enabled them to play in the way that Pardew is making our squad play now.
We are 'OFFICIALLY' the long ball kings in the Premier League this season. It's a crying shame that he is making us play the way we are with the squad we have and that is why for me he is the worst ever. Most of the managers you mentioned had nowhere near the level of player he has at his disposal.
One poor season with us, OK would give you that. What about the other poor seasons at other clubs. He's a dud.

[SEMTEX]

Ah, an argument about which of our teams/managers was the shittest. What a cheery topic.

[neesy111]

Another reason not to sign him is that he is very injury prone.  Out till august apparently.

[Dave]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/10074584/Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-weighs-up-West-Ham-United-move-as-Newcastle-United-balk-at-15m-fee.html

Carroll was the subject of a successful bid from West Ham following the end of his season-long loan at Upton Park and as he mulls over making that deal permanent it is understood that he would welcome a return to St James’ Park.

That avenue is closed unless Newcastle match West Ham’s offer, something it is understood they are not willing to do. Contrary to suggestions on Wednesday, they do retain an interest in the 24-year-old, whom they sold to Liverpool for £35 million in Jan 2011 and made protracted attempts to re-sign on loan last summer. But they value the striker at around half the fee agreed between Liverpool and West Ham.

[Sifu]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/10074584/Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-weighs-up-West-Ham-United-move-as-Newcastle-United-balk-at-15m-fee.html

Carroll was the subject of a successful bid from West Ham following the end of his season-long loan at Upton Park and as he mulls over making that deal permanent it is understood that he would welcome a return to St James’ Park.

That avenue is closed unless Newcastle match West Ham’s offer, something it is understood they are not willing to do. Contrary to suggestions on Wednesday, they do retain an interest in the 24-year-old, whom they sold to Liverpool for £35 million in Jan 2011 and made protracted attempts to re-sign on loan last summer. But they value the striker at around half the fee agreed between Liverpool and West Ham.

I do too tbf.

[NEEJ]

I reckon £7.5m is generous.

[Ketsbaia]

£7.5m?? Sounds about right, really.

[Skeletor]

£7.5m?? Sounds about right, really.

£7.5m before 'Young and English' and 'Half a season of form' tax.

[KaKa]

An alternative to Carroll for Newcastle is St Etienne striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang but Alan Pardew wants to add players with Premier League experience to his squad and would wlcome the chance to work with Carroll again.

 

[Cajun]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/10074584/Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-weighs-up-West-Ham-United-move-as-Newcastle-United-balk-at-15m-fee.html

Carroll was the subject of a successful bid from West Ham following the end of his season-long loan at Upton Park and as he mulls over making that deal permanent it is understood that he would welcome a return to St James’ Park.

That avenue is closed unless Newcastle match West Ham’s offer, something it is understood they are not willing to do. Contrary to suggestions on Wednesday, they do retain an interest in the 24-year-old, whom they sold to Liverpool for £35 million in Jan 2011 and made protracted attempts to re-sign on loan last summer. But they value the striker at around half the fee agreed between Liverpool and West Ham.

I do too tbf.

[Ronaldo]

Need to find a balance, between price, availability and suitability. Won't happen, though.

[Wallace]

If he is going to be out for 4 months then he will miss pre-season which will mean he will struggle to catch up for the rest of next season.  I wonder if that will cause West Ham to defer the deal or re-negotiate the fee.

[Teasy]

Need to find a balance, between price, availability and suitability. Won't happen, though.

Meaning we should spend £15m on an injury prone scruff or?

[loki679]

Add to that we've still got the worst manager I've ever come across following The Toon.

You've followed us for 45 years and think Souness, McGarry, Roeder, Charlton and Allardyce were better than Pardew?

I think you're letting a poor season blind you to reason mind.

Souness, McGarry, Roeder, Charlton and Allardyce did not have squads that were 100% set up to play football on the deck like we are now. In the majority of cases they had squads that only enabled them to play in the way that Pardew is making our squad play now.
We are 'OFFICIALLY' the long ball kings in the Premier League this season. It's a crying shame that he is making us play the way we are with the squad we have and that is why for me he is the worst ever. Most of the managers you mentioned had nowhere near the level of player he has at his disposal.
One poor season with us, OK would give you that. What about the other poor seasons at other clubs. He's a dud.

Souness inherited Bobby's squad and SBR had them playing decent enough stuff.

edit:  Our long ball stats did improve in the 2nd half of the season.  We were ahead of Stoke as a percentage of passes that were long balls for the first half of the season.

[Ronaldo]

Need to find a balance, between price, availability and suitability. Won't happen, though.

Meaning we should spend £15m on an injury prone scruff or?

He isn't injury prone. Even based on his West Ham form Carroll would absolutely stroll into our side and look bloody good in it.