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Offline ToonTastic

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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1075 on: Friday 8 November 2019, 12:37:44 PM »
Im guessing withdrawing the train is to help fake the stats. If it's already crazy late it'll show as late for every station. If they withdraw it, it probably then doesn't count as being late at the next stations as it's withdrawn and the next train they'll hope will be on time.

 :lol: Nope every train cancelled and every train delayed is counted in the stats as it's all done via signals sent from track circuits located across the system - no stats are faked.

So it begs the question again, why pull the train. There is no logical reason.

Offline Dr.Spaceman

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« Reply #1076 on: Friday 8 November 2019, 01:24:26 PM »
I heard they like to do it for the craic. Be mint if they let a train pull in to a station and let the passengers vote on whether or not the fault was bad enough to pull it from service.

Offline godzilla

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« Reply #1077 on: Friday 8 November 2019, 01:25:48 PM »
Im guessing withdrawing the train is to help fake the stats. If it's already crazy late it'll show as late for every station. If they withdraw it, it probably then doesn't count as being late at the next stations as it's withdrawn and the next train they'll hope will be on time.

 :lol: Nope every train cancelled and every train delayed is counted in the stats as it's all done via signals sent from track circuits located across the system - no stats are faked.

So it begs the question again, why pull the train. There is no logical reason.

It's about the operation of a customer service, if a train is operating at a severe delay then it impacts on a whole amount of things. Cut off points for running on Network Rail infrastructure, Traindriver relief points, and a back up of trains which results in further problems as only a set number of trains can operate in an overhead line section at any given time. There are many logical reasons why there is a need to do this.

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« Reply #1078 on: Friday 29 November 2019, 04:21:54 PM »
Some drivers are going on strike next week so expect an even shitter service

Offline Northerngimp

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« Reply #1079 on: Friday 29 November 2019, 04:25:22 PM »
Some drivers are going on strike next week so expect an even shitter service

 :rolleyes: Mint

Offline Pilko

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« Reply #1080 on: Friday 29 November 2019, 05:27:33 PM »
Class this. 22 minutes for a Metro at a peak time because nobody can be arsed to drive them.
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Offline Tyne81

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« Reply #1081 on: Friday 29 November 2019, 07:52:13 PM »
Class this. 22 minutes for a Metro at a peak time because nobody can be arsed to drive them.

It is cold tbf.

Offline Stifleaay

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« Reply #1082 on: Saturday 30 November 2019, 12:27:16 AM »
The drivers have turned down £47k.

Offline loki679

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« Reply #1083 on: Saturday 30 November 2019, 02:36:30 AM »
Metro drivers are on £47k a year?
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« Reply #1084 on: Sunday 1 December 2019, 01:51:11 PM »
Metro drivers are on £47k a year?
£35k. They have turned down a contract which would give them £47k but would mean they can’t keep refusing to work weekends and public holidays (Christmas day excluded).

Offline Infinitely Content

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« Reply #1085 on: Sunday 1 December 2019, 04:21:54 PM »
Might just sack this graphic design career off and become a metro driver.

Offline BlueStar

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« Reply #1086 on: Sunday 1 December 2019, 05:32:43 PM »
Might just sack this graphic design career off and become a metro driver.

You've got to be a really good driver though to keep the wheels on those narrow tracks.

Offline Doctor Zaius

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« Reply #1087 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 03:02:31 AM »
47K to drive the Metro? Surely not?

Offline Bizza

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« Reply #1088 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 07:56:25 AM »
I'll drive a metro for 47k, where do I sign up?

Offline Sima

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« Reply #1089 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 07:57:40 AM »
I'll drive a metro for 47k, where do I sign up?

Aye, same.

Offline Turnbull2000

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« Reply #1090 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 12:07:26 PM »
47K to drive the Metro? Surely not?

Actually closer to 60k when you include a pension scheme worth around 25% of salary.

Offline godzilla

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« Reply #1091 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 12:35:22 PM »
They're attempting to get equivalent pay to other Traindrivers throughout the UK. One of the reasons there is a shortage of drivers is due to quite a large number leaving to join other rail operators for better pay.
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Offline Northerngimp

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« Reply #1092 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 01:14:37 PM »
Jesus man  :lol:

Offline godzilla

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« Reply #1093 on: Monday 2 December 2019, 10:31:26 PM »
Jesus man  :lol:

Mind I can see why you might laugh when comparing to other North East wages, as it is a massive increase on the average regional wage. To be fair though when you look on a National average of what a Traindriver is paid, then the actual rise they are requesting has some substance. People could argue that is what they signed up for when they joined up, but the terms and conditions have changed a fair bit and will change again with the introduction of the new fleet. Currently your average Metro Traindriver is looking to move on within a couple of year to another TOC for much higher wages.

You would be surprised how much turnover there has been over the last five year especially. There is a big cost with training a new driver over roughly a 12 week period, having to do this at very frequent levels due to high staff turnover is not cost effective. There is also a requirement to have a stable and consolidated staffing establishment in place to ensure that there is full cover for the operation of the service, specifically with the introduction of the new fleet in the not too distant future.

Offline loki679

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« Reply #1094 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 03:03:04 AM »
Train drivers shouldn't be on £50k a year, man, that's mental :lol:
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« Reply #1095 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 04:23:36 AM »
f*** it. Stick them on minimum wage and force them to take second jobs. Might be lucky and crash a train full of tory c***s.

Offline loki679

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« Reply #1096 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 04:52:20 AM »
I’m sure we’ve had this conversation before.
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« Reply #1097 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 05:06:25 AM »
I’m sure we’ve had this conversation before.

Which one? "Do tories use the metro?"

Offline Northerngimp

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« Reply #1098 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 10:47:27 AM »
Jesus man  :lol:

Mind I can see why you might laugh when comparing to other North East wages, as it is a massive increase on the average regional wage. To be fair though when you look on a National average of what a Traindriver is paid, then the actual rise they are requesting has some substance. People could argue that is what they signed up for when they joined up, but the terms and conditions have changed a fair bit and will change again with the introduction of the new fleet. Currently your average Metro Traindriver is looking to move on within a couple of year to another TOC for much higher wages.

You would be surprised how much turnover there has been over the last five year especially. There is a big cost with training a new driver over roughly a 12 week period, having to do this at very frequent levels due to high staff turnover is not cost effective. There is also a requirement to have a stable and consolidated staffing establishment in place to ensure that there is full cover for the operation of the service, specifically with the introduction of the new fleet in the not too distant future.

I understand the reasons for them asking for that, its just its a whopping lift to get them to that salary.  Especially when there seems to be constant emergency and planned maintenance required on the system.   If they are given this upscale in salary will there be less investment into the system or would the cost be pushed to the commuter?

Offline Papavasiliou

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« Reply #1099 on: Tuesday 3 December 2019, 10:58:07 AM »
Jesus man  :lol:

Mind I can see why you might laugh when comparing to other North East wages, as it is a massive increase on the average regional wage. To be fair though when you look on a National average of what a Traindriver is paid, then the actual rise they are requesting has some substance. People could argue that is what they signed up for when they joined up, but the terms and conditions have changed a fair bit and will change again with the introduction of the new fleet. Currently your average Metro Traindriver is looking to move on within a couple of year to another TOC for much higher wages.

You would be surprised how much turnover there has been over the last five year especially. There is a big cost with training a new driver over roughly a 12 week period, having to do this at very frequent levels due to high staff turnover is not cost effective. There is also a requirement to have a stable and consolidated staffing establishment in place to ensure that there is full cover for the operation of the service, specifically with the introduction of the new fleet in the not too distant future.

I understand the reasons for them asking for that, its just its a whopping lift to get them to that salary.  Especially when there seems to be constant emergency and planned maintenance required on the system.   If they are given this upscale in salary will there be less investment into the system or would the cost be pushed to the commuter?

I'd love to see what less investment in the metro looks like.