Topic: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions

[ToonTastic]

Im guessing withdrawing the train is to help fake the stats. If it's already crazy late it'll show as late for every station. If they withdraw it, it probably then doesn't count as being late at the next stations as it's withdrawn and the next train they'll hope will be on time.

  Nope every train cancelled and every train delayed is counted in the stats as it's all done via signals sent from track circuits located across the system - no stats are faked.

So it begs the question again, why pull the train. There is no logical reason.

[Dr.Spaceman]

I heard they like to do it for the craic. Be mint if they let a train pull in to a station and let the passengers vote on whether or not the fault was bad enough to pull it from service.

[godzilla]

Im guessing withdrawing the train is to help fake the stats. If it's already crazy late it'll show as late for every station. If they withdraw it, it probably then doesn't count as being late at the next stations as it's withdrawn and the next train they'll hope will be on time.

  Nope every train cancelled and every train delayed is counted in the stats as it's all done via signals sent from track circuits located across the system - no stats are faked.

So it begs the question again, why pull the train. There is no logical reason.

It's about the operation of a customer service, if a train is operating at a severe delay then it impacts on a whole amount of things. Cut off points for running on Network Rail infrastructure, Traindriver relief points, and a back up of trains which results in further problems as only a set number of trains can operate in an overhead line section at any given time. There are many logical reasons why there is a need to do this.

[TBG]

Some drivers are going on strike next week so expect an even shitter service

[Northerngimp]

Some drivers are going on strike next week so expect an even shitter service

  Mint

[Pilko]

Class this. 22 minutes for a Metro at a peak time because nobody can be arsed to drive them.

[Tyne81]

Class this. 22 minutes for a Metro at a peak time because nobody can be arsed to drive them.

It is cold tbf.

[Stifleaay]

The drivers have turned down £47k.

[loki679]

Metro drivers are on £47k a year?

[Stifleaay]

Metro drivers are on £47k a year?

£35k. They have turned down a contract which would give them £47k but would mean they can’t keep refusing to work weekends and public holidays (Christmas day excluded).

[Infinitely Content]

Might just sack this graphic design career off and become a metro driver.

[BlueStar]

Might just sack this graphic design career off and become a metro driver.

You've got to be a really good driver though to keep the wheels on those narrow tracks.

[Doctor Zaius]

47K to drive the Metro? Surely not?

[Bizza]

I'll drive a metro for 47k, where do I sign up?

[Sima]

I'll drive a metro for 47k, where do I sign up?

Aye, same.

[Turnbull2000]

47K to drive the Metro? Surely not?

Actually closer to 60k when you include a pension scheme worth around 25% of salary.

[godzilla]

They're attempting to get equivalent pay to other Traindrivers throughout the UK. One of the reasons there is a shortage of drivers is due to quite a large number leaving to join other rail operators for better pay.

[Northerngimp]

Jesus man 

[godzilla]

Jesus man 

Mind I can see why you might laugh when comparing to other North East wages, as it is a massive increase on the average regional wage. To be fair though when you look on a National average of what a Traindriver is paid, then the actual rise they are requesting has some substance. People could argue that is what they signed up for when they joined up, but the terms and conditions have changed a fair bit and will change again with the introduction of the new fleet. Currently your average Metro Traindriver is looking to move on within a couple of year to another TOC for much higher wages.

You would be surprised how much turnover there has been over the last five year especially. There is a big cost with training a new driver over roughly a 12 week period, having to do this at very frequent levels due to high staff turnover is not cost effective. There is also a requirement to have a stable and consolidated staffing establishment in place to ensure that there is full cover for the operation of the service, specifically with the introduction of the new fleet in the not too distant future.

[loki679]

Train drivers shouldn't be on £50k a year, man, that's mental

[sadnesstan]

f*** it. Stick them on minimum wage and force them to take second jobs. Might be lucky and crash a train full of tory c***s.

[loki679]

I’m sure we’ve had this conversation before.

[sadnesstan]

I’m sure we’ve had this conversation before.

Which one? "Do tories use the metro?"

[Northerngimp]

Jesus man 

Mind I can see why you might laugh when comparing to other North East wages, as it is a massive increase on the average regional wage. To be fair though when you look on a National average of what a Traindriver is paid, then the actual rise they are requesting has some substance. People could argue that is what they signed up for when they joined up, but the terms and conditions have changed a fair bit and will change again with the introduction of the new fleet. Currently your average Metro Traindriver is looking to move on within a couple of year to another TOC for much higher wages.

You would be surprised how much turnover there has been over the last five year especially. There is a big cost with training a new driver over roughly a 12 week period, having to do this at very frequent levels due to high staff turnover is not cost effective. There is also a requirement to have a stable and consolidated staffing establishment in place to ensure that there is full cover for the operation of the service, specifically with the introduction of the new fleet in the not too distant future.

I understand the reasons for them asking for that, its just its a whopping lift to get them to that salary.  Especially when there seems to be constant emergency and planned maintenance required on the system.   If they are given this upscale in salary will there be less investment into the system or would the cost be pushed to the commuter?

[Papavasiliou]

Jesus man 

Mind I can see why you might laugh when comparing to other North East wages, as it is a massive increase on the average regional wage. To be fair though when you look on a National average of what a Traindriver is paid, then the actual rise they are requesting has some substance. People could argue that is what they signed up for when they joined up, but the terms and conditions have changed a fair bit and will change again with the introduction of the new fleet. Currently your average Metro Traindriver is looking to move on within a couple of year to another TOC for much higher wages.

You would be surprised how much turnover there has been over the last five year especially. There is a big cost with training a new driver over roughly a 12 week period, having to do this at very frequent levels due to high staff turnover is not cost effective. There is also a requirement to have a stable and consolidated staffing establishment in place to ensure that there is full cover for the operation of the service, specifically with the introduction of the new fleet in the not too distant future.

I understand the reasons for them asking for that, its just its a whopping lift to get them to that salary.  Especially when there seems to be constant emergency and planned maintenance required on the system.   If they are given this upscale in salary will there be less investment into the system or would the cost be pushed to the commuter?

I'd love to see what less investment in the metro looks like.