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« Reply #1125 on: Thursday 5 December 2019, 08:04:52 PM »
Please don't though.

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« Reply #1126 on: Thursday 5 December 2019, 11:20:21 PM »
DLR more often that not has a driver during peak times.

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« Reply #1127 on: Thursday 5 December 2019, 11:38:37 PM »
DLR more often that not has a driver during peak times.

They do, only for safety purposes with the doors closing as they are full.

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« Reply #1128 on: Wednesday 18 December 2019, 09:24:40 PM »
No metros at all this Friday and Saturday

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« Reply #1129 on: Wednesday 18 December 2019, 11:10:46 PM »
No replacement bus service and local bus services won't accept your pass either. Super. Love some strike chaos, me.
:) As you were.

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« Reply #1130 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 07:00:55 PM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.
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« Reply #1131 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 07:22:17 PM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

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« Reply #1132 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 09:13:02 PM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.
"Does a struggling salesman start turning up on a bicycle? No, he turns up in a newer car. Perception." - David Brent

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« Reply #1133 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 09:46:26 PM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.

I did for 30 years, am I embarrassed to say I did, certainly not. Many are here are actually astonished that the drivers are being offered so much, to which I have tried to give a bit more insight into why. You also have to remember that Nexus is a public operated company and as such has strict budgets set. It also is an organisation which does not operate at a profit either. The conditions, which WERE accepted by the drivers for a significant rise, was from when the old inspectors and drivers were merged about 15 year ago.

Nexus want more flexibility with the working hours to combat the shortage of drivers (another thing the are slammed for). Nexus has made an offer based on financial restrictions (a north east super wage according to many on here and within the north east), to try and substantiate this with the councils, who are the ones who set these financial restrictions, they have attempted to amend the working hours to ensure that there are savings made in the number of trains being cancelled/delayed, which results in high costs. The drivers have knocked this back, so good luck to them as I have many friends who are affected. The other way to give this pay increase is to have job losses in other areas of the company and a cut back on maintenance/repairs, which then occurs more flack and costs. Nexus can only go by their financial restrictions with it being a public company, so I certainly disagree with this total blame on Nexus as it certainly isn't, you need to look at the Council funding also throughout the last 40 year.

The drivers are always going to choose the busiest times to get the maximum effect and keep the pressure on.

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« Reply #1134 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 10:40:24 PM »
Madrid metro is on strike constantly and it has reliable service everytime....

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« Reply #1135 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 10:55:05 PM »
There'll be a ton of s*** I don't know about and don't understand to the degree godzilla does on this specifically.

However. I pay £5.30 or whatever for a Daysaver and I honestly can't remember the last time the entire service was running as normal, on time and with no delays or interruptions. The trains are always delayed, crowded and not to timetable. They're constantly digging the track up every few weeks and putting on the replacement buses at the drop of a hat. The excuses for trains not running are laughably flimsy. There always seems to be 3 Airport trains in a row when the entire crowded platform wants to go to the Coast. I could go on and on. It's s****, there are other no doubt underfunded and stretched transport services in the UK and abroad that are nowhere near as bad.
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« Reply #1136 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:13:08 PM »
Madrid metro is on strike constantly and it has reliable service everytime....

Getting better funding that's why

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« Reply #1137 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:22:19 PM »
Madrid metro is on strike constantly and it has reliable service everytime....

Getting better funding that's why

Strange how Spain and Madrid are bankrupt.

54 euros for monthly pass out here....

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« Reply #1138 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:23:07 PM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.

I did for 30 years, am I embarrassed to say I did, certainly not. Many are here are actually astonished that the drivers are being offered so much, to which I have tried to give a bit more insight into why. You also have to remember that Nexus is a public operated company and as such has strict budgets set. It also is an organisation which does not operate at a profit either. The conditions, which WERE accepted by the drivers for a significant rise, was from when the old inspectors and drivers were merged about 15 year ago.

Nexus want more flexibility with the working hours to combat the shortage of drivers (another thing the are slammed for). Nexus has made an offer based on financial restrictions (a north east super wage according to many on here and within the north east), to try and substantiate this with the councils, who are the ones who set these financial restrictions, they have attempted to amend the working hours to ensure that there are savings made in the number of trains being cancelled/delayed, which results in high costs. The drivers have knocked this back, so good luck to them as I have many friends who are affected. The other way to give this pay increase is to have job losses in other areas of the company and a cut back on maintenance/repairs, which then occurs more flack and costs. Nexus can only go by their financial restrictions with it being a public company, so I certainly disagree with this total blame on Nexus as it certainly isn't, you need to look at the Council funding also throughout the last 40 year.

The drivers are always going to choose the busiest times to get the maximum effect and keep the pressure on.

£52k would make them among the highest average salaries in the UK.  For a metro driver.  That's a higher average salary than a doctor ffs.  Even £37k puts them on the upper end of the scale for a job which isn't particularly skilled or requiring advanced qualifications or extended study.

Average UK salary for doctors

    Doctor - £41,494
    Pharmacists - £41,002
    Paramedics - £37,880
    Health professionals ((National Executive Committee) - £35,307
    Radiographers - £34,592
    Nurses - £32,451
    Midwives - £35,348
    Ambulance staff - £23,300

Average UK salary for teachers

    Higher education teaching professionals - £49,602
    Teacher - £39,388
    Education Support Assistant - £16,700

Average UK salary for lawyers

    Legal professionals (National Executive Committee) - £69,992
    Lawyer - £63,771
    Solicitors - £53,100
    Legal associates - £29,308
    Legal secretaries £21,206

Average UK salary for dentists

    Dental nurses - £18,755
    Medical and dental technicians - £26,180

Average UK salary for electrician

    Electrical engineers - £48,892
    Electrical and electronic trades (National Executive Committee) - £32,478
    Electricians and electrical fitters - £32,315

Average UK salary for marketing careers

    Marketing Directors - £93,967
    Public Relations Professionals - £37,799
    Marketing associate professions - £34,180
    Content Writers - £33,887
    Web design and development professionals - £32,878
    Graphic Designers - £27,515
    Marketing administrators - £22,149
    Junior marketing positions - £17,272

Average UK salary for Human Resources careers

    Human resource managers - £48,836
    Human resources and industrial relations officer - £29,955
    Human resources administrative occupations - £20,571

Average salary UK - What is the average salary in the UK?
Vasyl Dolmatov

Average UK salary for IT careers

    Information technology and telecommunications directors - £72,109
    IT business analysts, architects and systems designers - £48,703
    IT project and programme managers - £48,262
    IT specialist managers - £46,465
    IT support technicians - £30,250
    IT operations technicians - £30,029

Average UK salary for other popular careers

    Architects - £39,101
    Bar staff - £15,072
    Chefs - £21,403
    Civil engineers - £41,014
    Counsellors - £23,754
    Electrical engineers - £48,893
    Finance officers - £25,311
    Fitness instructors - £19,115
    Gardeners and landscapers - £20,688
    Graphic designers - £26,490
    Hairdressers and barbers - £15,610
    IT business analysts - £48,703
    Journalists - £37,377
    Librarians - £29,093
    Office managers - £31,427
    Painters and decorators - £24,214
    Police community support officers - £27,127
    Property, housing and estate agents - £35,433
    Probation officers - £32,688
    Physiotherapists - £31,875
    Psychologists - £41,784
    Receptionists - £17,471
    Sales administrators - £21,370
    Senior care workers - £19,983
    Shelf fillers - £16,320
    Taxation experts - £44,818
    Travel agents - £20,108
    Veterinarians - £39,190
    Waiters - £15,454
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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1139 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:25:33 PM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.

I did for 30 years, am I embarrassed to say I did, certainly not. Many are here are actually astonished that the drivers are being offered so much, to which I have tried to give a bit more insight into why. You also have to remember that Nexus is a public operated company and as such has strict budgets set. It also is an organisation which does not operate at a profit either. The conditions, which WERE accepted by the drivers for a significant rise, was from when the old inspectors and drivers were merged about 15 year ago.

Nexus want more flexibility with the working hours to combat the shortage of drivers (another thing the are slammed for). Nexus has made an offer based on financial restrictions (a north east super wage according to many on here and within the north east), to try and substantiate this with the councils, who are the ones who set these financial restrictions, they have attempted to amend the working hours to ensure that there are savings made in the number of trains being cancelled/delayed, which results in high costs. The drivers have knocked this back, so good luck to them as I have many friends who are affected. The other way to give this pay increase is to have job losses in other areas of the company and a cut back on maintenance/repairs, which then occurs more flack and costs. Nexus can only go by their financial restrictions with it being a public company, so I certainly disagree with this total blame on Nexus as it certainly isn't, you need to look at the Council funding also throughout the last 40 year.

The drivers are always going to choose the busiest times to get the maximum effect and keep the pressure on.

£52k would make them among the highest average salaries in the UK.  For a metro driver.  That's a higher average salary than a doctor ffs.  Even £37k puts them on the upper end of the scale for a job which isn't particularly skilled or requiring advanced qualifications or extended study.

Average UK salary for doctors

    Doctor - £41,494
    Pharmacists - £41,002
    Paramedics - £37,880
    Health professionals ((National Executive Committee) - £35,307
    Radiographers - £34,592
    Nurses - £32,451
    Midwives - £35,348
    Ambulance staff - £23,300

Average UK salary for teachers

    Higher education teaching professionals - £49,602
    Teacher - £39,388
    Education Support Assistant - £16,700

Average UK salary for lawyers

    Legal professionals (National Executive Committee) - £69,992
    Lawyer - £63,771
    Solicitors - £53,100
    Legal associates - £29,308
    Legal secretaries £21,206

Average UK salary for dentists

    Dental nurses - £18,755
    Medical and dental technicians - £26,180

Average UK salary for electrician

    Electrical engineers - £48,892
    Electrical and electronic trades (National Executive Committee) - £32,478
    Electricians and electrical fitters - £32,315

Average UK salary for marketing careers

    Marketing Directors - £93,967
    Public Relations Professionals - £37,799
    Marketing associate professions - £34,180
    Content Writers - £33,887
    Web design and development professionals - £32,878
    Graphic Designers - £27,515
    Marketing administrators - £22,149
    Junior marketing positions - £17,272

Average UK salary for Human Resources careers

    Human resource managers - £48,836
    Human resources and industrial relations officer - £29,955
    Human resources administrative occupations - £20,571

Average salary UK - What is the average salary in the UK?
Vasyl Dolmatov

Average UK salary for IT careers

    Information technology and telecommunications directors - £72,109
    IT business analysts, architects and systems designers - £48,703
    IT project and programme managers - £48,262
    IT specialist managers - £46,465
    IT support technicians - £30,250
    IT operations technicians - £30,029

Average UK salary for other popular careers

    Architects - £39,101
    Bar staff - £15,072
    Chefs - £21,403
    Civil engineers - £41,014
    Counsellors - £23,754
    Electrical engineers - £48,893
    Finance officers - £25,311
    Fitness instructors - £19,115
    Gardeners and landscapers - £20,688
    Graphic designers - £26,490
    Hairdressers and barbers - £15,610
    IT business analysts - £48,703
    Journalists - £37,377
    Librarians - £29,093
    Office managers - £31,427
    Painters and decorators - £24,214
    Police community support officers - £27,127
    Property, housing and estate agents - £35,433
    Probation officers - £32,688
    Physiotherapists - £31,875
    Psychologists - £41,784
    Receptionists - £17,471
    Sales administrators - £21,370
    Senior care workers - £19,983
    Shelf fillers - £16,320
    Taxation experts - £44,818
    Travel agents - £20,108
    Veterinarians - £39,190
    Waiters - £15,454

Yeap, I'm an experienced it developer and I wouldn't mind that in the north east.

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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1140 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:32:01 PM »
There'll be a ton of s*** I don't know about and don't understand to the degree godzilla does on this specifically.

However. I pay £5.30 or whatever for a Daysaver and I honestly can't remember the last time the entire service was running as normal, on time and with no delays or interruptions. The trains are always delayed, crowded and not to timetable. They're constantly digging the track up every few weeks and putting on the replacement buses at the drop of a hat. The excuses for trains not running are laughably flimsy. There always seems to be 3 Airport trains in a row when the entire crowded platform wants to go to the Coast. I could go on and on. It's s****, there are other no doubt underfunded and stretched transport services in the UK and abroad that are nowhere near as bad.

Three reasons:

1. The trains are now past their lifeline and are breaking down frequently. Parts for the rolling stock are increasingly hard to find due to the age of the trains. Nexus now has the funding and a new fleet will be in operation by 2022 (5 - 10 years too late imho). Until then the problems will continue.
2. Drivers are leaving in high numbers to obtain much better wages on mainline operators. This is then leaving gaps in the roster which is  further compounded by the current driver stance of overtime bans (certainly their right mind not to). Subsequently trains are being cancelled due to no drivers leaving gaps within the service.
3. The infrastructure investment is about 3/4 of the way through its plan, to maintain, renew and improve the system (stations, signalling, track circuits, overhead line, track, lighting, embankment, junctions etc.). This takes years and is subject to annual funding by the government (in place) and additional funding from the councils. A lot of the work is so involved that it cannot be completed during engineering hours and thus why there is a need to put on replacement bus services.
« Last Edit: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:45:26 PM by godzilla »

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« Reply #1141 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:41:03 PM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.

I did for 30 years, am I embarrassed to say I did, certainly not. Many are here are actually astonished that the drivers are being offered so much, to which I have tried to give a bit more insight into why. You also have to remember that Nexus is a public operated company and as such has strict budgets set. It also is an organisation which does not operate at a profit either. The conditions, which WERE accepted by the drivers for a significant rise, was from when the old inspectors and drivers were merged about 15 year ago.

Nexus want more flexibility with the working hours to combat the shortage of drivers (another thing the are slammed for). Nexus has made an offer based on financial restrictions (a north east super wage according to many on here and within the north east), to try and substantiate this with the councils, who are the ones who set these financial restrictions, they have attempted to amend the working hours to ensure that there are savings made in the number of trains being cancelled/delayed, which results in high costs. The drivers have knocked this back, so good luck to them as I have many friends who are affected. The other way to give this pay increase is to have job losses in other areas of the company and a cut back on maintenance/repairs, which then occurs more flack and costs. Nexus can only go by their financial restrictions with it being a public company, so I certainly disagree with this total blame on Nexus as it certainly isn't, you need to look at the Council funding also throughout the last 40 year.

The drivers are always going to choose the busiest times to get the maximum effect and keep the pressure on.

£52k would make them among the highest average salaries in the UK.  For a metro driver.  That's a higher average salary than a doctor ffs.  Even £37k puts them on the upper end of the scale for a job which isn't particularly skilled or requiring advanced qualifications or extended study.

Average UK salary for doctors

    Doctor - £41,494
    Pharmacists - £41,002
    Paramedics - £37,880
    Health professionals ((National Executive Committee) - £35,307
    Radiographers - £34,592
    Nurses - £32,451
    Midwives - £35,348
    Ambulance staff - £23,300

Average UK salary for teachers

    Higher education teaching professionals - £49,602
    Teacher - £39,388
    Education Support Assistant - £16,700

Average UK salary for lawyers

    Legal professionals (National Executive Committee) - £69,992
    Lawyer - £63,771
    Solicitors - £53,100
    Legal associates - £29,308
    Legal secretaries £21,206

Average UK salary for dentists

    Dental nurses - £18,755
    Medical and dental technicians - £26,180

Average UK salary for electrician

    Electrical engineers - £48,892
    Electrical and electronic trades (National Executive Committee) - £32,478
    Electricians and electrical fitters - £32,315

Average UK salary for marketing careers

    Marketing Directors - £93,967
    Public Relations Professionals - £37,799
    Marketing associate professions - £34,180
    Content Writers - £33,887
    Web design and development professionals - £32,878
    Graphic Designers - £27,515
    Marketing administrators - £22,149
    Junior marketing positions - £17,272

Average UK salary for Human Resources careers

    Human resource managers - £48,836
    Human resources and industrial relations officer - £29,955
    Human resources administrative occupations - £20,571

Average salary UK - What is the average salary in the UK?
Vasyl Dolmatov

Average UK salary for IT careers

    Information technology and telecommunications directors - £72,109
    IT business analysts, architects and systems designers - £48,703
    IT project and programme managers - £48,262
    IT specialist managers - £46,465
    IT support technicians - £30,250
    IT operations technicians - £30,029

Average UK salary for other popular careers

    Architects - £39,101
    Bar staff - £15,072
    Chefs - £21,403
    Civil engineers - £41,014
    Counsellors - £23,754
    Electrical engineers - £48,893
    Finance officers - £25,311
    Fitness instructors - £19,115
    Gardeners and landscapers - £20,688
    Graphic designers - £26,490
    Hairdressers and barbers - £15,610
    IT business analysts - £48,703
    Journalists - £37,377
    Librarians - £29,093
    Office managers - £31,427
    Painters and decorators - £24,214
    Police community support officers - £27,127
    Property, housing and estate agents - £35,433
    Probation officers - £32,688
    Physiotherapists - £31,875
    Psychologists - £41,784
    Receptionists - £17,471
    Sales administrators - £21,370
    Senior care workers - £19,983
    Shelf fillers - £16,320
    Taxation experts - £44,818
    Travel agents - £20,108
    Veterinarians - £39,190
    Waiters - £15,454

Yeap, I'm an experienced it developer and I wouldn't mind that in the north east.

The drivers are just trying to get the same wages as other drivers in different areas of the country. Should other work areas be paid more, without a doubt yes. It is quite a skilled job mind as there is way more involved than just driving a train, which is not as straight forward either as you seem to think.

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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1142 on: Thursday 19 December 2019, 11:44:06 PM »
Madrid metro is on strike constantly and it has reliable service everytime....

Getting better funding that's why

Strange how Spain and Madrid are bankrupt.

54 euros for monthly pass out here....

Probably because there is private funding involved, the Metro hasn't.

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« Reply #1143 on: Friday 20 December 2019, 12:29:50 AM »
Good to see the unions are out.

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« Reply #1144 on: Friday 20 December 2019, 01:41:48 AM »
You can hardly compare the Madrid Metro to the tyne and wear metro like. Madrid is a capital city, you'd expect it to have a good metro. Furthermore with the Madrid metro, trains were often further apart than they were supposed to be and when they did strike it did impact service when I was there.

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« Reply #1145 on: Friday 20 December 2019, 06:00:14 AM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.

I did for 30 years, am I embarrassed to say I did, certainly not. Many are here are actually astonished that the drivers are being offered so much, to which I have tried to give a bit more insight into why. You also have to remember that Nexus is a public operated company and as such has strict budgets set. It also is an organisation which does not operate at a profit either. The conditions, which WERE accepted by the drivers for a significant rise, was from when the old inspectors and drivers were merged about 15 year ago.

Nexus want more flexibility with the working hours to combat the shortage of drivers (another thing the are slammed for). Nexus has made an offer based on financial restrictions (a north east super wage according to many on here and within the north east), to try and substantiate this with the councils, who are the ones who set these financial restrictions, they have attempted to amend the working hours to ensure that there are savings made in the number of trains being cancelled/delayed, which results in high costs. The drivers have knocked this back, so good luck to them as I have many friends who are affected. The other way to give this pay increase is to have job losses in other areas of the company and a cut back on maintenance/repairs, which then occurs more flack and costs. Nexus can only go by their financial restrictions with it being a public company, so I certainly disagree with this total blame on Nexus as it certainly isn't, you need to look at the Council funding also throughout the last 40 year.

The drivers are always going to choose the busiest times to get the maximum effect and keep the pressure on.

£52k would make them among the highest average salaries in the UK.  For a metro driver.  That's a higher average salary than a doctor ffs.  Even £37k puts them on the upper end of the scale for a job which isn't particularly skilled or requiring advanced qualifications or extended study.

Yeap, I'm an experienced it developer and I wouldn't mind that in the north east.

The drivers are just trying to get the same wages as other drivers in different areas of the country. Should other work areas be paid more, without a doubt yes. It is quite a skilled job mind as there is way more involved than just driving a train, which is not as straight forward either as you seem to think.

I dont get the same wages as other project managers in other parts of the country? There has always been a pay gap between different regions with the north east losing out? Why should metro drivers be any different?

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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1146 on: Friday 20 December 2019, 06:14:25 AM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.

I did for 30 years, am I embarrassed to say I did, certainly not. Many are here are actually astonished that the drivers are being offered so much, to which I have tried to give a bit more insight into why. You also have to remember that Nexus is a public operated company and as such has strict budgets set. It also is an organisation which does not operate at a profit either. The conditions, which WERE accepted by the drivers for a significant rise, was from when the old inspectors and drivers were merged about 15 year ago.

Nexus want more flexibility with the working hours to combat the shortage of drivers (another thing the are slammed for). Nexus has made an offer based on financial restrictions (a north east super wage according to many on here and within the north east), to try and substantiate this with the councils, who are the ones who set these financial restrictions, they have attempted to amend the working hours to ensure that there are savings made in the number of trains being cancelled/delayed, which results in high costs. The drivers have knocked this back, so good luck to them as I have many friends who are affected. The other way to give this pay increase is to have job losses in other areas of the company and a cut back on maintenance/repairs, which then occurs more flack and costs. Nexus can only go by their financial restrictions with it being a public company, so I certainly disagree with this total blame on Nexus as it certainly isn't, you need to look at the Council funding also throughout the last 40 year.

The drivers are always going to choose the busiest times to get the maximum effect and keep the pressure on.

£52k would make them among the highest average salaries in the UK.  For a metro driver.  That's a higher average salary than a doctor ffs.  Even £37k puts them on the upper end of the scale for a job which isn't particularly skilled or requiring advanced qualifications or extended study.

Average UK salary for doctors

    Doctor - £41,494
    Pharmacists - £41,002
    Paramedics - £37,880
    Health professionals ((National Executive Committee) - £35,307
    Radiographers - £34,592
    Nurses - £32,451
    Midwives - £35,348
    Ambulance staff - £23,300

Average UK salary for teachers

    Higher education teaching professionals - £49,602
    Teacher - £39,388
    Education Support Assistant - £16,700

Average UK salary for lawyers

    Legal professionals (National Executive Committee) - £69,992
    Lawyer - £63,771
    Solicitors - £53,100
    Legal associates - £29,308
    Legal secretaries £21,206

Average UK salary for dentists

    Dental nurses - £18,755
    Medical and dental technicians - £26,180

Average UK salary for electrician

    Electrical engineers - £48,892
    Electrical and electronic trades (National Executive Committee) - £32,478
    Electricians and electrical fitters - £32,315

Average UK salary for marketing careers

    Marketing Directors - £93,967
    Public Relations Professionals - £37,799
    Marketing associate professions - £34,180
    Content Writers - £33,887
    Web design and development professionals - £32,878
    Graphic Designers - £27,515
    Marketing administrators - £22,149
    Junior marketing positions - £17,272

Average UK salary for Human Resources careers

    Human resource managers - £48,836
    Human resources and industrial relations officer - £29,955
    Human resources administrative occupations - £20,571

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Average UK salary for IT careers

    Information technology and telecommunications directors - £72,109
    IT business analysts, architects and systems designers - £48,703
    IT project and programme managers - £48,262
    IT specialist managers - £46,465
    IT support technicians - £30,250
    IT operations technicians - £30,029

Average UK salary for other popular careers

    Architects - £39,101
    Bar staff - £15,072
    Chefs - £21,403
    Civil engineers - £41,014
    Counsellors - £23,754
    Electrical engineers - £48,893
    Finance officers - £25,311
    Fitness instructors - £19,115
    Gardeners and landscapers - £20,688
    Graphic designers - £26,490
    Hairdressers and barbers - £15,610
    IT business analysts - £48,703
    Journalists - £37,377
    Librarians - £29,093
    Office managers - £31,427
    Painters and decorators - £24,214
    Police community support officers - £27,127
    Property, housing and estate agents - £35,433
    Probation officers - £32,688
    Physiotherapists - £31,875
    Psychologists - £41,784
    Receptionists - £17,471
    Sales administrators - £21,370
    Senior care workers - £19,983
    Shelf fillers - £16,320
    Taxation experts - £44,818
    Travel agents - £20,108
    Veterinarians - £39,190
    Waiters - £15,454

Yeap, I'm an experienced it developer and I wouldn't mind that in the north east.

The drivers are just trying to get the same wages as other drivers in different areas of the country. Should other work areas be paid more, without a doubt yes. It is quite a skilled job mind as there is way more involved than just driving a train, which is not as straight forward either as you seem to think.
They arent even trying to get the same, they are using the leverage they have to get a better deal and will also he letting go on some Ts  and  Cs.  Even if they were to get their rise theyd be still just about the lowest paid on the network. Hence why they are losing drivers to Northern, who are losing them to TPE.

Thing is, you dont meet many unemployed ready to go train drivers on the streets so market forces plays its hand aswell and Northern, TPE and LNER have been recruiting lately, beats me why many on here didnt apply as it's basically money for nowt according g to this place.
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Offline madras

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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1147 on: Friday 20 December 2019, 06:24:42 AM »
Wouldn't imagine train drivers have much to do with the public.

Metro ones do other TOCs no they don’t
Currently no, but that's why Northern guards have been striking for over a year.
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Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant.

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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1148 on: Friday 20 December 2019, 10:11:52 AM »
On two of the busiest Christmas party days of the year too, hope Nexus get loads and loads of stick off the general public.

Nexus can't do anything about it if the drivers refuse offers and are determined to strike. As for all union strikes they will always choose a time which will have the maximum effect.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make - I don't blame the drivers in the slightest, their working conditions will be s**** and I'd be embarrassed to say I worked for Nexus if someone asked me at a dinner party or something.

I just hope Nexus themselves get loads of flak, they're f***ing pathetic.

I did for 30 years, am I embarrassed to say I did, certainly not. Many are here are actually astonished that the drivers are being offered so much, to which I have tried to give a bit more insight into why. You also have to remember that Nexus is a public operated company and as such has strict budgets set. It also is an organisation which does not operate at a profit either. The conditions, which WERE accepted by the drivers for a significant rise, was from when the old inspectors and drivers were merged about 15 year ago.

Nexus want more flexibility with the working hours to combat the shortage of drivers (another thing the are slammed for). Nexus has made an offer based on financial restrictions (a north east super wage according to many on here and within the north east), to try and substantiate this with the councils, who are the ones who set these financial restrictions, they have attempted to amend the working hours to ensure that there are savings made in the number of trains being cancelled/delayed, which results in high costs. The drivers have knocked this back, so good luck to them as I have many friends who are affected. The other way to give this pay increase is to have job losses in other areas of the company and a cut back on maintenance/repairs, which then occurs more flack and costs. Nexus can only go by their financial restrictions with it being a public company, so I certainly disagree with this total blame on Nexus as it certainly isn't, you need to look at the Council funding also throughout the last 40 year.

The drivers are always going to choose the busiest times to get the maximum effect and keep the pressure on.

£52k would make them among the highest average salaries in the UK.  For a metro driver.  That's a higher average salary than a doctor ffs.  Even £37k puts them on the upper end of the scale for a job which isn't particularly skilled or requiring advanced qualifications or extended study.

Average UK salary for doctors

    Doctor - £41,494
    Pharmacists - £41,002
    Paramedics - £37,880
    Health professionals ((National Executive Committee) - £35,307
    Radiographers - £34,592
    Nurses - £32,451
    Midwives - £35,348
    Ambulance staff - £23,300

Average UK salary for teachers

    Higher education teaching professionals - £49,602
    Teacher - £39,388
    Education Support Assistant - £16,700

Average UK salary for lawyers

    Legal professionals (National Executive Committee) - £69,992
    Lawyer - £63,771
    Solicitors - £53,100
    Legal associates - £29,308
    Legal secretaries £21,206

Average UK salary for dentists

    Dental nurses - £18,755
    Medical and dental technicians - £26,180

Average UK salary for electrician

    Electrical engineers - £48,892
    Electrical and electronic trades (National Executive Committee) - £32,478
    Electricians and electrical fitters - £32,315

Average UK salary for marketing careers

    Marketing Directors - £93,967
    Public Relations Professionals - £37,799
    Marketing associate professions - £34,180
    Content Writers - £33,887
    Web design and development professionals - £32,878
    Graphic Designers - £27,515
    Marketing administrators - £22,149
    Junior marketing positions - £17,272

Average UK salary for Human Resources careers

    Human resource managers - £48,836
    Human resources and industrial relations officer - £29,955
    Human resources administrative occupations - £20,571

Average salary UK - What is the average salary in the UK?
Vasyl Dolmatov

Average UK salary for IT careers

    Information technology and telecommunications directors - £72,109
    IT business analysts, architects and systems designers - £48,703
    IT project and programme managers - £48,262
    IT specialist managers - £46,465
    IT support technicians - £30,250
    IT operations technicians - £30,029

Average UK salary for other popular careers

    Architects - £39,101
    Bar staff - £15,072
    Chefs - £21,403
    Civil engineers - £41,014
    Counsellors - £23,754
    Electrical engineers - £48,893
    Finance officers - £25,311
    Fitness instructors - £19,115
    Gardeners and landscapers - £20,688
    Graphic designers - £26,490
    Hairdressers and barbers - £15,610
    IT business analysts - £48,703
    Journalists - £37,377
    Librarians - £29,093
    Office managers - £31,427
    Painters and decorators - £24,214
    Police community support officers - £27,127
    Property, housing and estate agents - £35,433
    Probation officers - £32,688
    Physiotherapists - £31,875
    Psychologists - £41,784
    Receptionists - £17,471
    Sales administrators - £21,370
    Senior care workers - £19,983
    Shelf fillers - £16,320
    Taxation experts - £44,818
    Travel agents - £20,108
    Veterinarians - £39,190
    Waiters - £15,454

Yeap, I'm an experienced it developer and I wouldn't mind that in the north east.

The drivers are just trying to get the same wages as other drivers in different areas of the country. Should other work areas be paid more, without a doubt yes. It is quite a skilled job mind as there is way more involved than just driving a train, which is not as straight forward either as you seem to think.
They arent even trying to get the same, they are using the leverage they have to get a better deal and will also he letting go on some Ts  and  Cs.  Even if they were to get their rise theyd be still just about the lowest paid on the network. Hence why they are losing drivers to Northern, who are losing them to TPE.

Thing is, you dont meet many unemployed ready to go train drivers on the streets so market forces plays its hand aswell and Northern, TPE and LNER have been recruiting lately, beats me why many on here didnt apply as it's basically money for nowt according g to this place.

Agreed

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Re: The Metro - Upgrades, issues, hundreds of billions
« Reply #1149 on: Sunday 22 December 2019, 08:21:48 AM »
Has there even been that much disruption?
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