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« on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:14:19 pm »
Saudi Arabia urges US attack on Iran to stop nuclear programme

• Embassy cables show Arab allies want strike against Tehran
• Israel prepared to attack alone to avoid its own 9/11
• Iranian bomb risks 'Middle East proliferation, war or both'

Nuclear energy campaigners in Iran Embassy cables reveal the US, Israel and Arab states suspect Iran is close to acquiring nuclear weapons despite Tehran's insistence that its programme is designed to supply energy. Photograph: Morteza Nikoubazl/Reuters

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has repeatedly urged the United States to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear programme, according to leaked US diplomatic cables that describe how other Arab allies have secretly agitated for military action against Tehran.

The revelations, in secret memos from US embassies across the Middle East, expose behind-the-scenes pressures in the scramble to contain the Islamic Republic, which the US, Arab states and Israel suspect is close to acquiring nuclear weapons. Bombing Iranian nuclear facilities has hitherto been viewed as a desperate last resort that could ignite a far wider war.

The Saudi king was recorded as having "frequently exhorted the US to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons programme", one cable stated. "He told you [Americans] to cut off the head of the snake," the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir said, according to a report on Abdullah's meeting with the US general David Petraeus in April 2008.

The cables also highlight Israel's anxiety to preserve its regional nuclear monopoly, its readiness to go it alone against Iran – and its unstinting attempts to influence American policy. The defence minister, Ehud Barak, estimated in June 2009 that there was a window of "between six and 18 months from now in which stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons might still be viable". After that, Barak said, "any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage."

The leaked US cables also reveal that:

• Officials in Jordan and Bahrain have openly called for Iran's nuclear programme to be stopped by any means, including military.

• Leaders in Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt referred to Iran as "evil", an "existential threat" and a power that "is going to take us to war".

• Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, warned in February that if diplomatic efforts failed, "we risk nuclear proliferation in the Middle East, war prompted by an Israeli strike, or both".

• Major General Amos Yadlin, Israeli's military intelligence chief, warned last year: "Israel is not in a position to underestimate Iran and be surprised like the US was on 11 September 2001."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-saudis-iran


Appetisers for other leaks here..  :celb: :frantic:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/the-us-embassy-cables
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ObiChrisKenobi

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:15:24 pm »
I liked the idea behind wikileaks, but I'm starting to think this s*** is dangerous. Its going to start something it shouldn't, you know some secrets are worth keeping secret. Imagine wikileaks during the Cold War?!


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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:18:15 pm »
US diplomats spied on UN leadership

• Diplomats ordered to gather intelligence on Ban Ki-moon
• Secret directives sent to more than 30 US embassies
• Call for DNA data, computer passwords and terrorist links


UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon A directive from Hillary Clinton ordered US diplomats to gather biometric information on the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon. Photograph: Bernat Armangue/AP

Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK.

A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.

It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.


Check by country here..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-wikileaks

Offline Parky

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:20:32 pm »
I liked the idea behind wikileaks, but I'm starting to think this s*** is dangerous. Its going to start something it shouldn't, you know some secrets are worth keeping secret. Imagine wikileaks during the Cold War?!



Truth is more dangerous than lies.......... :-X

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:20:59 pm »
I liked the idea behind wikileaks, but I'm starting to think this s*** is dangerous. Its going to start something it shouldn't, you know some secrets are worth keeping secret. Imagine wikileaks during the Cold War?!



If the US government agreed with Saudi Arabia and decided to attack Iran, they certainly wouldn't have told us they're doing it "Because SA says so." They would have made up some bullshit justification for it.

I wish there was something like this in 2002-03, tbh.

Any Iran experts here? Do people still think they'll work out their problems if they're just left alone for a few years?

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:23:14 pm »
Wednesday, 16 September 2009, 07:34
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 04 PARIS 001254
NOFORN
SIPDIS
EO 12958 DECL: 09/16/2018
TAGS PREL, PARM, KNNP, BH">BH, SM, MK, GR">GR, FR">FR
SUBJECT: A/S GORDON'S MEETINGS WITH POLICY-MAKERS IN PARIS:
A TOUR D'HORIZON OF EUROPE AND AFGHANISTAN
Classified By: Ambassador Charles Rivkin, for reasons 1.4(b) and (d).



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/225319

Offline Parky

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:24:47 pm »
I liked the idea behind wikileaks, but I'm starting to think this s*** is dangerous. Its going to start something it shouldn't, you know some secrets are worth keeping secret. Imagine wikileaks during the Cold War?!



If the US government agreed with Saudi Arabia and decided to attack Iran, they certainly wouldn't have told us they're doing it "Because SA says so." They would have made up some bullshit justification for it.

I wish there was something like this in 2002-03, tbh.

Any Iran experts here? Do people still think they'll work out their problems if they're just left alone for a few years?

Iran is definitely making a bomb and it is doing so after witnessing first hand what happenned to Iraq. Can you really blame them?

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:29:10 pm »
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread634627/pg1

Love Above Top Secret, its a good laugh to read at times. Like a Forum of Parkys.  :angel:

Offline James

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:29:46 pm »
Tremendously irresponsible.
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:32:15 pm »

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:32:37 pm »
Hilarious if this starts the war to end all wars after spending 3 years being told off my tutors never quote from a wiki source.  :lol:

ObiChrisKenobi

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:32:58 pm »
 :lol:

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 07:33:44 pm »
Hilarious if this starts the war to end all wars after spending 3 years being told off my tutors never quote from a wiki source.  :lol:

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Offline Foluwashola

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 10:24:26 pm »
This is interesting stuff like. The amount of sneaky dealings that go on between governments is quite staggering  :sadnod:

Look forward to seeing all the bitchings about the UK government.

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 28 November 2010, 10:28:36 pm »
Tremendously irresponsible.

I don't see how you can have come to that opinion independently in such a short period of time, my guess is that you're simply regurgitating someone else's. I haven't seen anything yet that isn't either along the lines that everyone would have imagined anyway, or merely embarrassing for the US government. If you've seen something "tremendously irresponsible" then point it out and I might change my opinion, but my guess is that there isn't anything.

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 07:49:25 am »
This is interesting stuff like. The amount of sneaky dealings that go on between governments is quite staggering  :sadnod:

Look forward to seeing all the bitchings about the UK government.

The Germans have taken the 'teflon' and 'not creative' digs at Merkel as compliments.  :lol: :shifty:

Offline Northerngimp

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #16 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 09:21:20 am »
This is dynamite!

But we all know this kind of s*** goes on, its just basically unsaid or public knowledge.  Intersting that a lot of arab states are pushing for the US to invade and destory Irans Nuclear program.

Hey Arab lads, do it your fcking seleves.


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« Reply #17 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 09:55:35 am »
Its ok wanting to nuke Iran but the important stuff ....


Any news on which member of the royal family has been getting a sticky finger off the maid?

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« Reply #18 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 09:59:37 am »
This is dynamite!

But we all know this kind of s*** goes on, its just basically unsaid or public knowledge.  Intersting that a lot of arab states are pushing for the US to invade and destory Irans Nuclear program.

Hey Arab lads, do it your fcking seleves.



They- or at least the Iraqis- tried once before, didn't go so well.
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Offline Northerngimp

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« Reply #19 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 10:08:49 am »
The Iran-Iraq war, ended in a bore draw didn't it?

Why should US lives be lost for the sake of the Arab nations, if they want Iran sorted they can buy millitary hardware from the U.S, UK, France and Germany....and crack on with it.


Offline mrmojorisin75

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« Reply #20 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 10:17:07 am »

Why should US lives be lost for the sake of the Arab nations


they shouldn't and wouldn't but for the:

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« Reply #21 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 10:19:17 am »
True

Offline Parky

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« Reply #22 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 04:14:22 pm »
This is dynamite!

But we all know this kind of s*** goes on, its just basically unsaid or public knowledge.  Intersting that a lot of arab states are pushing for the US to invade and destory Irans Nuclear program.

Hey Arab lads, do it your fcking seleves.



Saudi's are havng it both ways, funding madrassas and spreading hard core islam and on the other hand asking the US to attack Iran.

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Re: WikiLeaks
« Reply #23 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 04:39:01 pm »
This is dynamite!

But we all know this kind of s*** goes on, its just basically unsaid or public knowledge.  Intersting that a lot of arab states are pushing for the US to invade and destory Irans Nuclear program.

Hey Arab lads, do it your fcking seleves.



Saudi's are havng it both ways, funding madrassas and spreading hard core islam and on the other hand asking the US to attack Iran.
i've never seen a penny mate.
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« Reply #24 on: Monday 29 November 2010, 05:38:11 pm »
:lol:
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Skin and bone being raked over those hot coals
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