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Offline GeordieMessiah

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24900 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 11:54:57 AM »
Of course. I'm sure it's in safe hands with tories circling. Just like everything else eh?


But of course the BBC would be safe from political interference in the SNP's hands...




 :smitten: think I'm in there somewhere.

Protesting against the BBC?

Yeah. I'm not sure if Col's being deliberately obtuse or just failing to see the irony? :lol:
Whether it's God or the bomb
It's just the same
It's only fear under another name
And the corporate snakes coming in to feed
On that pathetic fact known as human greed
Skin and bone being raked over those hot coals
This dump never seems to give time for human soul

Offline Incognito

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24901 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:04:03 PM »
Whilst I agree with some of what Corbyn says, and he strikes me actually as being quite a genuine bloke, he does in my opinion need to tone it down a bit.

Kendall was right in saying you can't just rely on wininng 'new' & previously 'non voters' to win a general election. You have to win back people in places like Kendall's own home town constituency of Watford, which had a 10K labour majority and fell to the Tories. I think with Corbyn in charge it would be very, very difficult if not impossible to win back seats like hers. You can't just rely on the left wing vote, you have to appeal to a broader section of society, including some Tories, which is something Tony Blair (however much I hate him) did very successfully.
Of course she's right saying that but that wasn't what Jezza was saying. Kendall tried to make out that new and unregistered voters were Corbyn's sole focus when he was just pointing out one section of voters. Her disdain at Burnham saying he'd put Jezza in a shadow cabinet role spoke volumes to be honest. She doesn't represent me as a Labour member at all. I'm all for Labour being a broad church but I'm afraid it isn't broad enough for her.
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Offline BlueStar

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24902 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:04:12 PM »
Come on lads, one more page and I can lock this thread and throw it in the f***ing sea.

Offline Thomson Mouse

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24903 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:10:49 PM »
It is depressing that somebody like Corbyn who cares about equality and fairness, is seen as being completely unelectable. Even by members of his own party. Sad state in which the country is in right now tbh.

That is directly down to Murdoch et al repeating the capitalism mantra for years. It seems like the rest of the world is falling in behind the US where left/socialist = evil commie.
People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people.

Offline BlufPurdi

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24904 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:13:43 PM »
Whilst I agree with some of what Corbyn says, and he strikes me actually as being quite a genuine bloke, he does in my opinion need to tone it down a bit.

Kendall was right in saying you can't just rely on wininng 'new' & previously 'non voters' to win a general election. You have to win back people in places like Kendall's own home town constituency of Watford, which had a 10K labour majority and fell to the Tories. I think with Corbyn in charge it would be very, very difficult if not impossible to win back seats like hers. You can't just rely on the left wing vote, you have to appeal to a broader section of society, including some Tories, which is something Tony Blair (however much I hate him) did very successfully.


Obviously they need to try and win people back, but they need to convince them that their ways are better.  Not mimic the policies they just voted for.
Making mistakes is how you learn.
Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat, and so a little bit of history may help.
“What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you?” If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system.
That is why no one with power likes democracy and that is why every generation must struggle to win it and keep it – including you and me, here and now.

Offline colinmk

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24905 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:22:14 PM »
Of course. I'm sure it's in safe hands with tories circling. Just like everything else eh?


But of course the BBC would be safe from political interference in the SNP's hands...




 :smitten: think I'm in there somewhere.

Protesting against the BBC?

Yeah. I'm not sure if Col's being deliberately obtuse or just failing to see the irony? :lol:

Protesting at the deliberately misleading coverage of the referendum by the BBC news. Not protesting for the removal of the BBC, as gm knows fine well.  O0

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24906 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:24:13 PM »
You Scots sure are a contentious people.

Offline Northerngimp

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24907 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:26:57 PM »
Of course. I'm sure it's in safe hands with tories circling. Just like everything else eh?


But of course the BBC would be safe from political interference in the SNP's hands...




 :smitten: think I'm in there somewhere.

Protesting against the BBC?

Yeah. I'm not sure if Col's being deliberately obtuse or just failing to see the irony? :lol:

Protesting at the deliberately misleading coverage of the referendum by the BBC news. Not protesting for the removal of the BBC, as gm knows fine well.  O0

The BBC were giving the Yes campaign loads of covreage. Way more than they should have had.  Imho.

Offline Klaus

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24908 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:27:24 PM »
It is depressing that somebody like Corbyn who cares about equality and fairness, is seen as being completely unelectable. Even by members of his own party. Sad state in which the country is in right now tbh.

That is directly down to Murdoch et al repeating the capitalism mantra for years. It seems like the rest of the world is falling in behind the US where left/socialist = evil commie.
:thup:

Offline colinmk

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24909 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:32:23 PM »
Of course. I'm sure it's in safe hands with tories circling. Just like everything else eh?


But of course the BBC would be safe from political interference in the SNP's hands...




 :smitten: think I'm in there somewhere.

Protesting against the BBC?

Yeah. I'm not sure if Col's being deliberately obtuse or just failing to see the irony? :lol:

Protesting at the deliberately misleading coverage of the referendum by the BBC news. Not protesting for the removal of the BBC, as gm knows fine well.  O0

The BBC were giving the Yes campaign loads of covreage. Way more than they should have had.  Imho.

Obviously I think differently on that one but regardless, the protest is not about getting rid of the BBC organisation as alluded to previously.

Offline GeordieMessiah

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24910 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:40:12 PM »
Of course. I'm sure it's in safe hands with tories circling. Just like everything else eh?


But of course the BBC would be safe from political interference in the SNP's hands...




 :smitten: think I'm in there somewhere.

Protesting against the BBC?

Yeah. I'm not sure if Col's being deliberately obtuse or just failing to see the irony? :lol:

Protesting at the deliberately misleading coverage of the referendum by the BBC news. Not protesting for the removal of the BBC, as gm knows fine well.  O0

The BBC were giving the Yes campaign loads of covreage. Way more than they should have had.  Imho.

Obviously I think differently on that one but regardless, the protest is not about getting rid of the BBC organisation as alluded to previously.

I've just read a fantastic blog that tears the SNP apart for the two-faced t***s that they are. You should read it. http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/13464511.The_SNP_moral_high_ground_is_built_on_shifting_sands
Whether it's God or the bomb
It's just the same
It's only fear under another name
And the corporate snakes coming in to feed
On that pathetic fact known as human greed
Skin and bone being raked over those hot coals
This dump never seems to give time for human soul

Offline GeordieMessiah

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24911 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 12:42:43 PM »
Come on lads, one more page and I can lock this thread and throw it in the f***ing sea.

Oooh, you monster. You wouldn't dare?!
Whether it's God or the bomb
It's just the same
It's only fear under another name
And the corporate snakes coming in to feed
On that pathetic fact known as human greed
Skin and bone being raked over those hot coals
This dump never seems to give time for human soul

Offline BlufPurdi

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24912 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 01:14:49 PM »
I'm sure it'll rise anew somewhere else...
Making mistakes is how you learn.
Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat, and so a little bit of history may help.
“What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you?” If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system.
That is why no one with power likes democracy and that is why every generation must struggle to win it and keep it – including you and me, here and now.

Offline kingkerouac

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24913 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 01:44:53 PM »
Whilst I agree with some of what Corbyn says, and he strikes me actually as being quite a genuine bloke, he does in my opinion need to tone it down a bit.

Kendall was right in saying you can't just rely on wininng 'new' & previously 'non voters' to win a general election. You have to win back people in places like Kendall's own home town constituency of Watford, which had a 10K labour majority and fell to the Tories. I think with Corbyn in charge it would be very, very difficult if not impossible to win back seats like hers. You can't just rely on the left wing vote, you have to appeal to a broader section of society, including some Tories, which is something Tony Blair (however much I hate him) did very successfully.

I think they could win back votes once the vast majority of Britons get told the truth about the Crash i.e. 'It was the banks wot dun it..'
The fact that I am always hearing people say' Labour f***ed the economy' does my head in, because it's simply not true.

Offline Dr Venkman

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24914 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 01:52:31 PM »
Since when should we only pay for things that are essential to people's lives?  ??? Are you suggesting cutting arts and film/music funding too?
Since when was it the governments responsibility to keep people entertained? To answer your question, perhaps, the main focus in regards to arts funding should be what is profitable. It depends entirely on what the project is.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you don't create much?


Offline Kimbo

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24915 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:06:08 PM »
Since when should we only pay for things that are essential to people's lives?  ??? Are you suggesting cutting arts and film/music funding too?
Since when was it the governments responsibility to keep people entertained? To answer your question, perhaps, the main focus in regards to arts funding should be what is profitable. It depends entirely on what the project is.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you don't create much?

Instead of trying to be insult me personally maybe just accept that others have a different view of what the role of the government should be.

Offline AyeDubbleYoo

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24916 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:07:58 PM »
I do find it weird to judge the arts, out of everything, on what's profitable. Fair enough things like trains and energy companies, but culture is fundamentally different. If the market dictates that we'll just have endless Britain's Got Talent.

Offline Lotus

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24917 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:08:43 PM »
I do find it weird to judge the arts, out of everything, on what's profitable. Fair enough things like trains and energy companies, but culture is fundamentally different. If the market dictates that we'll just have endless Britain's Got Talent.

Agreed. One of the most atrocious ideas i've read on here.
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Offline Hanshithispantz

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24918 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:30:10 PM »
Imagine how utterly grim the planet would be if all we had was highly profitable music and film, man :lol:

Offline BlueStar

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24919 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:34:59 PM »
Jack and Jill was a great success at what it set out to do, unfortunately that wasn't to make a good film.  This is a bit long, but it goes well into how bad it can get when profit and connections are the main driving force of a film.

https://youtu.be/Z22fSyedgoE?t=1m41s

^That's mostly about the actual film, though part 2 goes into more about why it was made the way it was


Offline Hanshithispantz

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24920 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:36:01 PM »
Ha, honestly just watched that last night. It's a good watch like.

Offline Kimbo

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24921 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:36:33 PM »
I don't think i'm being understood, I was specifically talking about government involvement, not sure where anyone got the idea I was talking about the entire music or film industry.

Offline GeordieMessiah

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Re: UK Politics
« Reply #24922 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:37:54 PM »
I don't think i'm being understood, I was specifically talking about government involvement, not sure where anyone got the idea I was talking about the entire music or film industry.

You b******. :( You've just pushed this thread over the limit to 1000 pages. My greatest ever creation on this forum will now be euthanised by BlueStar.

https://youtu.be/qguwpiDbMws?t=2m9s
Whether it's God or the bomb
It's just the same
It's only fear under another name
And the corporate snakes coming in to feed
On that pathetic fact known as human greed
Skin and bone being raked over those hot coals
This dump never seems to give time for human soul

Offline BlufPurdi

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Re: UK Politics - The Coalition Years
« Reply #24923 on: Monday 20 July 2015, 02:41:57 PM »
Make another. 
« Last Edit: Thursday 23 July 2015, 04:29:24 PM by BlufPurdi »
Making mistakes is how you learn.
Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat, and so a little bit of history may help.
“What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you?” If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system.
That is why no one with power likes democracy and that is why every generation must struggle to win it and keep it – including you and me, here and now.