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Will Newcastle be relegated from The Premier League? (0=No Chance - 10=Dead Certain 15=Steve Bruce, ffs!)

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Offline astraguy

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« Reply #20725 on: Tuesday 17 September 2019, 07:28:19 PM »
If Bruce lasts the season we will easily go down i don't look at any game and think we can win it, Plus injuries to key players will f*** us up and truth to be told i couldn't give a f***  :embarrassed:

Offline TRon

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« Reply #20726 on: Tuesday 17 September 2019, 08:06:35 PM »
The fact NUFC even have a chance to stay up shows how s*** some of the PL really is. They have no goals, very few PL standard players and a bang-average manager, they should be an absolute certainty to go down.

There's a core of players (Dubravka, Lascelles, Schar, Hayden, Almiron, probably Joelinton) that will see the club steer away from the bottom three. It looks like the manager has went away from his core principals (the 3-5-2) and adopted the tactics Benitez used so as long as he doesn't go back, we'll stay up.

Not sure any of those are really proven outside of a Rafa team, but you could well be right in the end.

Like I say, if Bruce was doing it his way I think it’d be touch & go. He seems to be sticking as close to Rafa’s formula as possible since the Spurs game, as long as he’s got the same players to carry it out and Joelinton performs, he’ll stay up.

Rafa was very single minded about his methods and his formations, I think when the heat is on, Bruce won't be able to hold his nerve and will start flip flopping like Pardew used to. You need strength of character to stick to your guns when results start going the wrong way and Rafa's methods were his own so he had full confidence in them. Not sure if you can ape that in the white heat of a relegation battle.

Offline HTT

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« Reply #20727 on: Tuesday 17 September 2019, 09:50:49 PM »
They will ship in too many goals and not score many so the team will definitely be in a relegation fight all season. If Bruce survives getting the sack at any stage this season he’ll relegate his hometown team. I can’t see where the goals will come from to turn draws into wins never mind get enough to win games or how the team will keep them out either. He’ll fluke a few ‘impressive looking’ wins/draws at home to the likes of Man Utd or Chelsea, but will lose to the Brighton’s home and away.
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Offline Raconteur

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« Reply #20728 on: Wednesday 18 September 2019, 11:35:19 AM »
I voted 10 at the start of the season and I don't think I've been in this thread since. There's a lot of merit to what ON says but for me it comes down to Joelinton - he's surprised me with his quality (and I say that as someone who hoped he'd flop worse than Denilson). I'm still hoping we go down, but no longer expecting to. I think Joelinton is good enough to keep us up with perhaps a little help from ASM/Almiron/Atsu and the other eight parking the bus well enough to collect the points we'll need to stay up.

Ho-hum, rinse and repeat for 20/21?
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Offline Ian W

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« Reply #20729 on: Wednesday 18 September 2019, 12:07:16 PM »
The fact NUFC even have a chance to stay up shows how s*** some of the PL really is. They have no goals, very few PL standard players and a bang-average manager, they should be an absolute certainty to go down.

There's a core of players (Dubravka, Lascelles, Schar, Hayden, Almiron, probably Joelinton) that will see the club steer away from the bottom three. It looks like the manager has went away from his core principals (the 3-5-2) and adopted the tactics Benitez used so as long as he doesn't go back, we'll stay up.

Not sure any of those are really proven outside of a Rafa team, but you could well be right in the end.

Like I say, if Bruce was doing it his way I think it’d be touch & go. He seems to be sticking as close to Rafa’s formula as possible since the Spurs game, as long as he’s got the same players to carry it out and Joelinton performs, he’ll stay up.

Rafa was very single minded about his methods and his formations, I think when the heat is on, Bruce won't be able to hold his nerve and will start flip flopping like Pardew used to. You need strength of character to stick to your guns when results start going the wrong way and Rafa's methods were his own so he had full confidence in them. Not sure if you can ape that in the white heat of a relegation battle.

I mean, if he can maintain the Rafa organisation and keep them drilled like that for a whole season then fair enough, they deserve to stay up and he's a very good manager.

Offline covmag

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« Reply #20730 on: Saturday 21 September 2019, 08:52:43 PM »
Grim season ahead
Ashley has killed my club

Offline TRon

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« Reply #20731 on: Saturday 21 September 2019, 08:58:47 PM »
The problem for Bruce is if he hasn't got a clear plan of how to set the team up, the players are going to be confused, and lose respect pretty quickly. Assuming they haven't already. When that happens, we will plunge into a Pardew/Carver run of 6-10 losses in a row.

Offline covmag

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« Reply #20732 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 04:03:33 AM »
Still at 15.
This bunch look woefully s****.
Ashley has killed my club

Offline geordiedean

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« Reply #20733 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 04:56:48 AM »
Cant see how we can possibly stay up. A freak win at Spurs yet have failed to beat Watford Norwich and Brighton 2 at home. 4 goals in 6 games and not scored more than once
and now Tudor's gone down for Newcastle

Offline Robster

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« Reply #20734 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 09:08:34 AM »
I've just checked the fixtures. Can't see any points until at least November. Maybe a point at Villa.
I suppose we could scrape something against Wolves as they've started poorly.
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Online Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #20735 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 09:16:07 AM »
I’d say about a 6.
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Offline godzilla

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« Reply #20736 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 02:27:48 PM »
I’d say about a 6.

I honestly think with Bruce in charge is a certainty, I couldn't believe how lost and clueless that set of players looked against a team who will be near the bottom.

Offline Greg

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« Reply #20737 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 03:22:05 PM »
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Offline neesy111

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« Reply #20738 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 03:23:31 PM »

Offline Doctor Zaius

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« Reply #20739 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 03:49:25 PM »
/Whos actually worse than us? Watford and Villa? The latter you'd expect to grow into the season given how many signings they made.

Sat watching Palace here and they're so much better organised. Brighton looked better than us yesterday and at least have a decent coach now. Sheffield United and Norwich have had good starts although could fade. You wouldnt expect Southampton to go down either really.

Long way to go but I cant see us getting better and Its not looking like one of those seasons where their is a load of s**** at the bottom of the table. 8

Offline Ian W

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« Reply #20740 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 03:59:28 PM »
Hard to say how many points Rafa was worth, I’d say easily more than 10. Probably nearer 20. Certainly if you include Perez and Rondon.

Offline Mattoon

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« Reply #20741 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 07:25:46 PM »
I said 10 at the beginning of the season, I'm sticking to my guns, he can use Rafa's formation all he wants but without his drills and tactics they are useless, the players haven't a clue where they should be or what they should be doing.

We can't score and we can't defend, Bruce doesn't have the wherewithal to get the best out of the players he has, formulate a set of tactics based on opponent and to play to the strengths of the £80m worth of talent he has in attack.
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Offline chopey

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« Reply #20742 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 07:30:35 PM »
I said 10 at the beginning of the season, I'm sticking to my guns, he can use Rafa's formation all he wants but without his drills and tactics they are useless, the players haven't a clue where they should be or what they should be doing.

We can't score and we can't defend, Bruce doesn't have the wherewithal to get the best out of the players he has, formulate a set of tactics based on opponent and to play to the strengths of the £80m worth of talent he has in attack.

You forgot to mention how we control the ball for 18 minutes out of 90
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Offline samptime29

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« Reply #20743 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 07:30:43 PM »
I said 10 at the beginning of the season, I'm sticking to my guns, he can use Rafa's formation all he wants but without his drills and tactics they are useless, the players haven't a clue where they should be or what they should be doing.

We can't score and we can't defend, Bruce doesn't have the wherewithal to get the best out of the players he has, formulate a set of tactics based on opponent and to play to the strengths of the £80m worth of talent he has in attack.

Defence isn't that bad tbf - 8 goals conceded from 6 games isn't a disaster. The lack of goals is the big worry.

Offline TRon

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« Reply #20744 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 07:45:27 PM »
I said 10 at the beginning of the season, I'm sticking to my guns, he can use Rafa's formation all he wants but without his drills and tactics they are useless, the players haven't a clue where they should be or what they should be doing.

We can't score and we can't defend, Bruce doesn't have the wherewithal to get the best out of the players he has, formulate a set of tactics based on opponent and to play to the strengths of the £80m worth of talent he has in attack.

Defence isn't that bad tbf - 8 goals conceded from 6 games isn't a disaster. The lack of goals is the big worry.

We aren't going to score goals with 30% possession at home.

Offline Mattoon

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« Reply #20745 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 08:06:29 PM »
I said 10 at the beginning of the season, I'm sticking to my guns, he can use Rafa's formation all he wants but without his drills and tactics they are useless, the players haven't a clue where they should be or what they should be doing.

We can't score and we can't defend, Bruce doesn't have the wherewithal to get the best out of the players he has, formulate a set of tactics based on opponent and to play to the strengths of the £80m worth of talent he has in attack.

Defence isn't that bad tbf - 8 goals conceded from 6 games isn't a disaster. The lack of goals is the big worry.

We aren't going to score goals with 30% possession at home.

25% and I think the defence has done ok up to now but I can also see that changing as the season goes on and the confidence is completely sapped out of them.
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[What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.

Offline mrmojorisin75

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« Reply #20746 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 08:17:33 PM »
simmering along nicely this
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline Sean

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« Reply #20747 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 09:10:15 PM »
simmering along nicely this

 :lol: it's a fascinating watch really.
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Offline Minhosa

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« Reply #20748 on: Monday 23 September 2019, 09:52:58 AM »
Next six games could be hilarious. I'm praying he doesn't fluke a result out of nowhere.

Offline neesy111

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« Reply #20749 on: Monday 23 September 2019, 11:47:16 AM »
I'm praying he doesn't fluke a result out of nowhere.