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Will Newcastle be relegated from The Premier League? (0=No Chance - 10=Dead Certain 15=Steve Bruce, ffs!)

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Offline AsprillasShinPad

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« Reply #20600 on: Saturday 10 August 2019, 01:12:48 pm »
Because there is no god, Brewce will probably end up doing what p*rdew did where he fluked 5th, despite a string of awful managerial decisions.

Doubly infuriating because Fat m*ke has given Brewce money to spend, but let Rafa walk.

If there was any justice, they'd get relegated,  but the way things have been going, I can already see the s*** eating grin on fatty's face when Sky Sports are interviewing him and sucking him off because Brewce has got the club into the top half.

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« Reply #20601 on: Saturday 10 August 2019, 02:05:35 pm »
Entire season depends on Joelinton. If he flops we're down. There just isnt enough up front to keep us in the league.

Rests as much on Almiron imo.
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« Reply #20602 on: Saturday 10 August 2019, 02:34:12 pm »
Was a solid 12 after they announced Brewce, but seeing just how terrible Norwich were reminded me that the bottom half of the PL is pure s***.

I'm at 4.

Extremely generous that.

How close to Rafa’s points total do you think Bruce will get?

He could well match it, just obtain them against the real dross who Rafa sometimes struggled against.

Our GD will be miles worse though, giving the real story of the season
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« Reply #20603 on: Saturday 10 August 2019, 02:51:31 pm »
Because there is no god, Brewce will probably end up doing what p*rdew did where he fluked 5th, despite a string of awful managerial decisions.

Doubly infuriating because Fat m*ke has given Brewce money to spend, but let Rafa walk.

If there was any justice, they'd get relegated,  but the way things have been going, I can already see the s*** eating grin on fatty's face when Sky Sports are interviewing him and sucking him off because Brewce has got the club into the top half.

No way in a month of Sundays we are finishing 5th again, not unless Joelinton turns out to be far better than his stats would suggest - and if that is the case we will have to eat humble pie and give credit to our scouting team. That season we finished 5th we had a front three of Cisse, Ba and Ben Arfa, that would frighten a lot of teams tbh.

I think the pundits are right, survival will be all we are looking for, whether that means finishing 12th or 17th doesn't really matter.

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« Reply #20604 on: Saturday 10 August 2019, 03:35:33 pm »
I think the new signings will produce some results and points up until around Christmas when I think we'll go into a tail spin and a dreadful run of results.
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« Reply #20605 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 08:38:14 am »
Most bookies have slashed the pre-season relegation odds on Newcastle from 7/2 down to around 2/1 and lower.
After the Norwich result of course the swingometer will move either way - a crucial test of Brucetics and team spirit
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« Reply #20606 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 09:04:36 am »
Can’t believe I actually made a few quid profit on backing us for the top 4 this summer. :lol:
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« Reply #20607 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 09:47:17 am »
By fluke or by crook we'll stay up. Turgid season of the occasional hiding, tepid displays and the odd spark from the players to itch around 40 points. Alot of s*** at the bottom and we might have threw another money for the odd flash of inspiration up front and of course the well drilled defence coached into them by Rafa should last long enough before Bruce works his magic and gets us relegated next year. This is, of course, after we have made a tidy profit on a few of our stand out players this season.

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« Reply #20608 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 09:51:43 am »
Because there is no god, Brewce will probably end up doing what p*rdew did where he fluked 5th, despite a string of awful managerial decisions.

Doubly infuriating because Fat m*ke has given Brewce money to spend, but let Rafa walk.

If there was any justice, they'd get relegated,  but the way things have been going, I can already see the s*** eating grin on fatty's face when Sky Sports are interviewing him and sucking him off because Brewce has got the club into the top half.

No way in a month of Sundays we are finishing 5th again, not unless Joelinton turns out to be far better than his stats would suggest - and if that is the case we will have to eat humble pie and give credit to our scouting team. That season we finished 5th we had a front three of Cisse, Ba and Ben Arfa, that would frighten a lot of teams tbh.

I think the pundits are right, survival will be all we are looking for, whether that means finishing 12th or 17th doesn't really matter.

Sorry to be pedantic but I can't let Pardew get away with this. We actually kept a fully fit Ben Arfa on the bench until the second half of the season. Alan preferred Obertan. Later, Sammy Ameobi would render both Frenchmen defunct.
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« Reply #20609 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 09:55:38 am »
By fluke or by crook we'll stay up. Turgid season of the occasional hiding, tepid displays and the odd spark from the players to itch around 40 points. Alot of s*** at the bottom and we might have threw another money for the odd flash of inspiration up front and of course the well drilled defence coached into them by Rafa should last long enough before Bruce works his magic and gets us relegated next year. This is, of course, after we have made a tidy profit on a few of our stand out players this season.

All well and good, but Brewcie’s Boys go up against some of that “s***” this weekend and are likely to get spanked
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« Reply #20610 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 09:58:23 am »
Brighton looked surprisingly fluid, solid and clinical in the first game. Could be a fluke, but I saw enough in the highlights, like high pressing and moving as a unit when out of possession, to suggest our fellow tailenders won’t just roll over.

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« Reply #20611 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 10:20:02 am »
By fluke or by crook we'll stay up. Turgid season of the occasional hiding, tepid displays and the odd spark from the players to itch around 40 points. Alot of s*** at the bottom and we might have threw another money for the odd flash of inspiration up front and of course the well drilled defence coached into them by Rafa should last long enough before Bruce works his magic and gets us relegated next year. This is, of course, after we have made a tidy profit on a few of our stand out players this season.

All well and good, but Brewcie’s Boys go up against some of that “s***” this weekend and are likely to get spanked

Oh I know how s*** we are and believe me I'm firmly in the relegation with record low points then freefall until we kill off the parasite camp. Just reckon we'll eek out of the relegation spots. Negativity around this f***ing club means we can never get what we want, even wishing a relegation will go wrong.

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« Reply #20612 on: Wednesday 14 August 2019, 11:34:32 am »
Because there is no god, Brewce will probably end up doing what p*rdew did where he fluked 5th, despite a string of awful managerial decisions.

Doubly infuriating because Fat m*ke has given Brewce money to spend, but let Rafa walk.

If there was any justice, they'd get relegated,  but the way things have been going, I can already see the s*** eating grin on fatty's face when Sky Sports are interviewing him and sucking him off because Brewce has got the club into the top half.

No way in a month of Sundays we are finishing 5th again, not unless Joelinton turns out to be far better than his stats would suggest - and if that is the case we will have to eat humble pie and give credit to our scouting team. That season we finished 5th we had a front three of Cisse, Ba and Ben Arfa, that would frighten a lot of teams tbh.

I think the pundits are right, survival will be all we are looking for, whether that means finishing 12th or 17th doesn't really matter.

Sorry to be pedantic but I can't let Pardew get away with this. We actually kept a fully fit Ben Arfa on the bench until the second half of the season. Alan preferred Obertan. Later, Sammy Ameobi would render both Frenchmen defunct.

That 5th finish came about due to a tremendous team spirit and fabulous performances from Krul, Colo, Taylor, Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Cisse and HBA. We scored so many screamers and great goals that season. We caught teams by surprise

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« Reply #20613 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 08:34:06 am »
Cisse was literally the best striker in the world for the 6 months from when he arrived. He would get one or two half chances a game and score a worldy with each shot.

I remember our tactics distinctly, Pardew had no idea how to set us up for when we had the ball. Plan A was to put Ba and Cisse on the last defenders and have Cabaye and Tiote sit on the toes of Colo. All our defenders and keeper were tasked with lumping it as far up the pitch as possible, which would bounce of an opposing defender's head and fall somewhere inbetween our attack and midfield who were too far back to contest the second ball. Then, once the opposition had the ball, Tiote and Cabaye would press for the mistake and try to launch a quick counter if they won the ball. If not, let Krul receive a long-shot or similar from the opponents' attack and repeat the process.

It was god-awful to watch and I hated every match I saw. Even at the time I was saying that were doing well in the league despite Alan Pardew, and without him I think with the players in the form that they were, we would have finished 4th.

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« Reply #20614 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 10:28:10 am »
I know it's stupid, but I feel like the game at the weekend is important on if we go down or not. I don't see us winning the next 4/5 after, so if we lose this weekend we could be looking at 6/7/8 games without a win, without Rafa this time.

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« Reply #20615 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 10:33:07 am »
No worries, there will be 36 more games this season where people will say exactly the same thing.
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« Reply #20616 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 10:44:09 am »
Entire season depends on Joelinton. If he flops we're down. There just isnt enough up front to keep us in the league.

Rests as much on Almiron imo.

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« Reply #20617 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 11:09:59 am »
I think there is a really strong likelihood they will go down this season. Lack of goals + Steve Bruce + Rafa’s defensive work undone
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« Reply #20618 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 11:19:35 am »
Cisse was literally the best striker in the world for the 6 months from when he arrived. He would get one or two half chances a game and score a worldy with each shot.

I remember our tactics distinctly, Pardew had no idea how to set us up for when we had the ball. Plan A was to put Ba and Cisse on the last defenders and have Cabaye and Tiote sit on the toes of Colo. All our defenders and keeper were tasked with lumping it as far up the pitch as possible, which would bounce of an opposing defender's head and fall somewhere inbetween our attack and midfield who were too far back to contest the second ball. Then, once the opposition had the ball, Tiote and Cabaye would press for the mistake and try to launch a quick counter if they won the ball. If not, let Krul receive a long-shot or similar from the opponents' attack and repeat the process.

It was god-awful to watch and I hated every match I saw. Even at the time I was saying that were doing well in the league despite Alan Pardew, and without him I think with the players in the form that they were, we would have finished 4th.

People complained a lot but it was better than it's given credit for.

We were a counter-attacking team. We let teams come on to us. We worked hard, had talented players that kept teams at arms length - often through determination, bravery and hard work rather than excellent coaching but the players were motivated and up for it. And the lads had quality and belief in themselves to get us enough goals to win matches 1-0.

Man United 3-0 was an excellent example of that. The team worked tremendously hard, battled away, won their individual battles through determination and skill. Then we scored 2 worldies to secure the win. A 25-yard freekick in off the bar iirc and another from a long ball to Shola beating Evans, then Ba beating Ferdinand for pace and strength and topping it off with an excellent finish. Ba was tremendous at scoring goals from minimal chances.

We played better stuff in the second half of the season with Ba, HBA, Cisse and Cabaye all together. Again, on the counter, through quality of individuals rather than coaching but oh well.

Kind of like when Burnley finished 7th but with better quality. It depended too much on thin margins, team spirit, bodies on the line to be sustainable with a small squad and a few more matches.

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« Reply #20619 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 12:01:29 pm »
When Pardew let the players play, we did, when he didn’t, it was up to individuals to bail us out in the end it was a mess. That 5th season was the flukiest season we’ve ever had.
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« Reply #20620 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 12:42:04 pm »
When Pardew let the players play, we did, when he didn’t, it was up to individuals to bail us out in the end it was a mess. That 5th season was the flukiest season we’ve ever had.

He tinkered like f*** because he'd read a book or something. Patchy because he has no idea at this level - hence why it was the exception that proves the rule.

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« Reply #20621 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 04:14:31 pm »
Pardew's very streaky as a manager. He can sometimes get a team on to a good thing through motivation, confidence and team spirit. His lack of a plan going forward can be a benefit to someone like HBA if he does a job the other way.

When he had us "front foot" we would often get battered because he can't coach it. Keep it tight at the back, then when we get the ball give it to YoCabs, Ba, HBA, Cisse etc. That's how we won most of our big games. Swansea the best example. Kept it tight and defensive and just killed them with quality and confidence in attack.

Once the confidence goes, Pardew has no idea.


Bruce is a bit of a Pardew in that sense. But I don't see him getting enough confidence in the players and the players don't suit his style. Bruce would do better than SMC mind.

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« Reply #20622 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 04:48:46 pm »
The six wins in a row in the second half of that season with Ba-Cisse-HBA up front was probably the highlight of the Ashley era, despite the fact Pardew was manager. That included an incredible half away to West Brom, Carroll's return to SJP and Enrique in goal, a counter-attacking masterclass away to Swansea, and Ben Arfa's wonderful goal against Bolton. Then we got hammered by Wigan 4-0 and lost 3 out of 4 to finish the season, only saved by Cisse's miraculous goals at Stamford Bridge.

It's been pretty much downhill since then with only a slight blip from Rafa. I just want to care again like I did in 2012 (and before).

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« Reply #20623 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 05:12:21 pm »
Aye that six-game spell was ace. The first third of that season was a lot of fun as well. Ryan Taylor over the wall, two Ba hat-tricks, Sammy's winner at Scunthorpe in the cup, a really good 2-2 draw at home to Spurs when Shola scored a peach. It was great.

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« Reply #20624 on: Thursday 15 August 2019, 05:13:11 pm »
That was an outlier of the Ashley era. He's never intended for us to challenge that highly.

I think the worst aspect of the Pardew era was Pardew being the focus of hate. He was doing the job he was intended to do.

SMC's ineptitude was also a distraction.

It was only under Rafa, who attempted to build a sporting organisation that the majority on here properly turned against MA. He's never been interested in sporting success.