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Will Newcastle be relegated from The Premier League? (0=EPL is Trash - 10=Dead Certain 15=Steve Bruce, ffs!)

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Offline chicago_shearer

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #100 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 07:42:53 PM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago, because Kinnear has lifted the spirits at the club. People are giving him a hard time, but most good managers wouldn't touch us with a bargepole just now and he deserves a lot of credit for getting on with the job.

I'm not in the slightest bit bothered about the things he says in public. If anything, I think his rants are a good thing and could even be deliberate to promote a togetherness mentality, which is what is needed.



Good point, I think its about time a Newcastle manager used the bias and negativity in the press to the club's advantage.  If I were Kinnear I'd have every last one of these spiteful, negative articles like the match report in the Guardian pinned to the wall in the dressing room. 

Offline OzzieMandias

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #101 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 07:59:34 PM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago

:lol:

If it's not a "certainty" now, it couldn't have been one then either.

In fact, it's never going to be a certainty unless it actually happens.

Offline cp40

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« Reply #102 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:03:18 PM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago

:lol:

If it's not a "certainty" now, it couldn't have been one then either.

In fact, it's never going to be a certainty unless it actually happens.


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Offline NE5

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« Reply #103 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:08:54 PM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago

:lol:

If it's not a "certainty" now, it couldn't have been one then either.

In fact, it's never going to be a certainty unless it actually happens.

you didn't watch the team playing under Hughton then .  :lol:
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"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

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Offline OzzieMandias

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #104 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:29:34 PM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago

:lol:

If it's not a "certainty" now, it couldn't have been one then either.

In fact, it's never going to be a certainty unless it actually happens.

you didn't watch the team playing under Hughton then .  :lol:

If it's not a "certainty" now, it couldn't have been one then either.

Offline Teasy

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« Reply #105 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:42:35 PM »
Taking things far to literally.  He clearly means that he thought it was a certainty at the time and now he doesn't think its a certainty any more.
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Offline NE5

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #106 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:42:35 PM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago

:lol:

If it's not a "certainty" now, it couldn't have been one then either.

In fact, it's never going to be a certainty unless it actually happens.

you didn't watch the team playing under Hughton then .  :lol:

If it's not a "certainty" now, it couldn't have been one then either.

no answer then ?

http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?

"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

Offline Neil

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #107 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:45:52 PM »
This is just plain pathetic. No wonder people get pi**ed off by this forum at times.
Thomas the Tank Engine is a f***ing c***.

Offline ChrisJbarnes

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« Reply #108 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:49:07 PM »
This is just plain pathetic. No wonder people get pi**ed off by this forum at times.

exactly

Offline cp40

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« Reply #109 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 08:49:55 PM »
This is just plain pathetic. No wonder people get pi**ed off by this forum at times.


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Offline NE5

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« Reply #110 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 09:13:59 PM »
Taking things far to literally.  He clearly means that he thought it was a certainty at the time and now he doesn't think its a certainty any more.

or he's just being an idiot  :lol:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?

"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

Offline Offshore

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #111 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 09:23:00 PM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago, because Kinnear has lifted the spirits at the club. People are giving him a hard time, but most good managers wouldn't touch us with a bargepole just now and he deserves a lot of credit for getting on with the job.

I'm not in the slightest bit bothered about the things he says in public. If anything, I think his rants are a good thing and could even be deliberate to promote a togetherness mentality, which is what is needed.



 :thup:

Offline Robster

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #112 on: Monday 1 December 2008, 09:31:48 PM »
They should have a "Relegationometer" on the pitch side - kind of like a giant Charity Thermometer which tells them how much money is raised.
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Offline Neil

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #113 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 01:26:11 AM »
Is this Relegation-ometer being taken after every match?

Expect the only values to be either 10 or 1.
Thomas the Tank Engine is a f***ing c***.

Offline chicago_shearer

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« Reply #114 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 02:03:15 AM »
Is this Relegation-ometer being taken after every match?

Expect the only values to be either 10 or 1.

If we can't beat Stoke at home then a 10 is more or less justified.

Offline sicsfingeredmong

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #115 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 05:05:38 AM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago, because Kinnear has lifted the spirits at the club. People are giving him a hard time, but most good managers wouldn't touch us with a bargepole just now and he deserves a lot of credit for getting on with the job.

I'm not in the slightest bit bothered about the things he says in public. If anything, I think his rants are a good thing and could even be deliberate to promote a togetherness mentality, which is what is needed.



He installed an 'us against the world' type of mentality at Wimbledon, certainly at the first-team level as a motivational tool. But at Wimbledon his troopers were more blue-collar types/battlers in comparison to our list, and they reveled in sticking it up everybody else. I'm not sure how long and how far his 'hailstorm & bluster' approach will outlast his deficiencies with regards to his overall tactical approach in terms of pattern of play, and as a matchday tactician ie. his use of substitutions.

Keegan was a motivator, a ranter when needed, and an astute tactician. Those factors kept us up last season. Shallow that it was but our 1st choice eleven was more purpose built to play the sort of football employed in our relegation fight last season, as opposed to the battling/against the wall type of football employed so far & during his tenureship at Wimbledon.

With a more cultured set of footballers at his disposal, imo it will take more than just fire & brimstone in order to keep this ship afloat over the course of more than a half a season.

A senior dressing room figure admitted.

"Everyone was put up for sale in August. That caused mistrust. Nobody knew what the future was after that. People started looking for a way out after that. You would though, wouldn't you?"

The downside when applying Ashley's Sports World's 'Clearance Sale' mentality to football club ownership. The beginning of the player revolt when applying the 'Pile 'em High, Sell 'em cheap' sales merchant - for which Ashley is: an el-cheapo Sales Merchant..... a glorified scam artist of sorts - ideology to football club ownership

The aftermath: Keegan......... gone. Given......... as good as gone. Club stalwarts.

Throw Owen into the mix of those who seek greener pastures.

Who else will crawl out of the woodwork?

Offline cp40

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« Reply #116 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 08:31:23 AM »
Is this Relegation-ometer being taken after every match?

Expect the only values to be either 10 or 1.


It just gives a rough measure of the balance of pessimism/ optimism, about our plight.
i was gonna say its a bit of , fun, but no, this is a serious situation,

it might be a good idea to wipe all the votes after each game? or each home game?

What do people think?

at least it has some interest, because the board, was dead, apart from ne5s thread.

Offline BlueStar

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« Reply #117 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 09:13:20 AM »
Is this an oral relegationometer or an anal one?

Offline cp40

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« Reply #118 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 09:14:50 AM »
Is this an oral relegationometer or an anal one?

you can shove it any hole that hits the button for You.

Offline UV

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #119 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 09:42:05 AM »
The scale's all wrong. If 10 is doomed, 1 should be "no chance" rather than "unlikely". Unlikely should be about 3 or 4.
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Offline TRon

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #120 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 09:48:49 AM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago, because Kinnear has lifted the spirits at the club. People are giving him a hard time, but most good managers wouldn't touch us with a bargepole just now and he deserves a lot of credit for getting on with the job.

I'm not in the slightest bit bothered about the things he says in public. If anything, I think his rants are a good thing and could even be deliberate to promote a togetherness mentality, which is what is needed.



When NE5 actually talks football rather than boardroom politics he usually talks sense.

Offline Gorilla

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #121 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 09:55:48 AM »
I don't think its quite the certainty it was a few months ago, because Kinnear has lifted the spirits at the club. People are giving him a hard time, but most good managers wouldn't touch us with a bargepole just now and he deserves a lot of credit for getting on with the job.

I'm not in the slightest bit bothered about the things he says in public. If anything, I think his rants are a good thing and could even be deliberate to promote a togetherness mentality, which is what is needed.



He installed an 'us against the world' type of mentality at Wimbledon, certainly at the first-team level as a motivational tool. But at Wimbledon his troopers were more blue-collar types/battlers in comparison to our list, and they reveled in sticking it up everybody else. I'm not sure how long and how far his 'hailstorm & bluster' approach will outlast his deficiencies with regards to his overall tactical approach in terms of pattern of play, and as a matchday tactician ie. his use of substitutions.

Keegan was a motivator, a ranter when needed, and an astute tactician. Those factors kept us up last season. Shallow that it was but our 1st choice eleven was more purpose built to play the sort of football employed in our relegation fight last season, as opposed to the battling/against the wall type of football employed so far & during his tenureship at Wimbledon.

With a more cultured set of footballers at his disposal, imo it will take more than just fire & brimstone in order to keep this ship afloat over the course of more than a half a season.


Calling Keegan an astute tactician is a bit ott.  He was alright, but against some teams he didn't have a clue.  He just got them playing to their strengths and instilled conifdence.

Offline cp40

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« Reply #122 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 09:56:03 AM »
The scale's all wrong. If 10 is doomed, 1 should be "no chance" rather than "unlikely". Unlikely should be about 3 or 4.

good point, i will sort it out.

Offline Baggio

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Re: RELEGATIONOMETER
« Reply #123 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 09:58:31 AM »
you can change your vote over the season.

How?

I can't see the 'change vote' button.

Offline cp40

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« Reply #124 on: Tuesday 2 December 2008, 10:00:07 AM »
you can change your vote over the season.

How?


i thought you could, is there not a remove vote option?
i was gonna reset it after stoke if people agree?
I can't see the 'change vote' button.