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What were his intentions?

Thought he was appointing a class manager that would take us forward
3 (3.9%)
Genuinely thought the fans wanted him
9 (11.7%)
CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP
65 (84.4%)

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thompers

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:30:15 PM »
You cannot blame Shepherd for the current results.

The results are down to the players and the manager. Shepherd has backed the manager, to the tune of £15m in the summer, you cannot blame him for any problems.

The club are in the Premiership, which is better than they were in 1991 under the previous board. This board has ambition, the previous board had none. The previous board appointed Willien McFaul and Jim Smith and Ossie Ardiles. That was the ambition they showed.

Clearly you weren't there at the time otherwise you would understand s*** appointments. If you weren't there you have no right to make any criticism of the current set up.

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Offline NE5

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:30:37 PM »
Nah, a section of the fans accepted it but where underwhelmed. Most knew how it'd turn out. So do you think he's made a good appointment or f***ed up once again? If it is another poor appointment, are you willing to put it down to bad chairmanship this time?

of course I would put it down to a bad choice of manager, I have said before all boards will only make so many and then they will find their time is up. It doesn't change the fact however, that they have backed their managers and we could very very easily end up with replacements who don't do this or even worse don't have the interests of the club at heart.

http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?

"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

Offline macbeth

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:30:39 PM »


I specifically remember you downtalking O Neill's achievements and implying that he wouldn't be a better candidate.

until you can prove that there is someone with more ambition out there I won't accept anythign you say about club staffing.

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Offline Mick

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:30:49 PM »
NE5,

Did you once say that this appointment should be the last for Shepherd if it ended in failure?
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"I'm Bryan," the skipper replied. "You're Bobby."

Offline Geordie Boot Boy

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:31:43 PM »
User 'NE5' has blocked your personal message.

Well I know he's online, and am desperate to hear his take on this, but when I try and PM him the link to the thread, it appears he's ignoring me. Gosh, I am super-offended, especially considering the last PM he sent me was him begging me to join his forum.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've sent it him for you, mate :thup:

I remember his opinion, Roeder is a better manager than O'Neill :lol:

sorry mate but you usually don't finish debates, thats a bit different for you eh ?

PS....you won't find me saying Roeder is better than O'Neill....so don't make things up either, you're getting like Mick .....

I specifically remember you downtalking O Neill's achievements and implying that he wouldn't be a better candidate.

Yep, I remember that too.

Offline afar

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:32:12 PM »
None of the above, he appointed him to ensure that he gave the fans what they wanted and therefore absolve himself from any blame should things go bad. Also the fact that it would make a smooth transition for the Shearer appointment.

Offline NE5

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:32:31 PM »


The results are down to the players and the manager. Shepherd has backed the manager, to the tune of £15m in the summer,

well, actually, that is correct.

You are still missing lots of recruits to your cause, do you like following me around ?

http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?

"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

thompers

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:33:37 PM »
Nah, a section of the fans accepted it but where underwhelmed. Most knew how it'd turn out. So do you think he's made a good appointment or f***ed up once again? If it is another poor appointment, are you willing to put it down to bad chairmanship this time?

of course I would put it down to a bad choice of manager, I have said before all boards will only make so many and then they will find their time is up. It doesn't change the fact however, that they have backed their managers and we could very very easily end up with replacements who don't do this or even worse don't have the interests of the club at heart.



So until we have THE VERY WORST BOARD IN DA HISTORY OF FOOTBALL EVA and to the point where we couldn't possibly inherit a worse board, you're going to keep supporting this one?

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:34:56 PM »
User 'NE5' has blocked your personal message.

Well I know he's online, and am desperate to hear his take on this, but when I try and PM him the link to the thread, it appears he's ignoring me. Gosh, I am super-offended, especially considering the last PM he sent me was him begging me to join his forum.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've sent it him for you, mate :thup:

I remember his opinion, Roeder is a better manager than O'Neill :lol:

sorry mate but you usually don't finish debates, thats a bit different for you eh ?

PS....you won't find me saying Roeder is better than O'Neill....so don't make things up either, you're getting like Mick .....

I specifically remember you downtalking O Neill's achievements and implying that he wouldn't be a better candidate.

http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,20204.msg374387.html#msg374387

Offline NE5

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:37:07 PM »
NE5,

Did you once say that this appointment should be the last for Shepherd if it ended in failure?

No. You still don't read properly. I have said - along with others - that if Shearer is next and fails, then that will be the current boards last throw of the dice. You also still have this notion that one single person chooses the managers and sets out club policy . Do you understand what a board of directors actually is ?

http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?

"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

Offline macbeth

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:38:06 PM »


The results are down to the players and the manager. Shepherd has backed the manager, to the tune of £15m in the summer,

well, actually, that is correct.

You are still missing lots of recruits to your cause, do you like following me around ?



only when you doff your cap sychophantically at an asset-stripping board. Or "yes"
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Offline Dave

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:38:13 PM »
Shepherd is the chairman NE5, the one in the papers every other week. It's not surprising that he's the one that gets the slagging.

Offline macbeth

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:39:01 PM »
NE5,

Did you once say that this appointment should be the last for Shepherd if it ended in failure?

No. You still don't read properly. I have said - along with others - that if Shearer is next and fails, then that will be the current boards last throw of the dice. You also still have this notion that one single person chooses the managers and sets out club policy . Do you understand what a board of directors actually is ?



that is VERY funny
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Offline NE5

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:42:28 PM »
NE5,

Did you once say that this appointment should be the last for Shepherd if it ended in failure?

No. You still don't read properly. I have said - along with others - that if Shearer is next and fails, then that will be the current boards last throw of the dice. You also still have this notion that one single person chooses the managers and sets out club policy . Do you understand what a board of directors actually is ?



that is VERY funny

do you stalk Adam Crozier as well  :lol:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?

"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

Offline Mick

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:45:13 PM »
NE5,

Did you once say that this appointment should be the last for Shepherd if it ended in failure?

No. You still don't read properly. I have said - along with others - that if Shearer is next and fails, then that will be the current boards last throw of the dice. You also still have this notion that one single person chooses the managers and sets out club policy . Do you understand what a board of directors actually is ?



So are you saying that you'll support him until he appoints Shearer?
"Hello, Bobby," he once greeted his England captain, Bryan Robson.

"I'm Bryan," the skipper replied. "You're Bobby."

Offline macbeth

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:46:49 PM »

do you stalk Adam Crozier as well  :lol:


If Shepherd had been boss of the FA it would have Souness or Roeder in charge now.
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elbee909

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:46:53 PM »
NE5 for chairman, tbh :)

Offline Mick

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:47:23 PM »
NE5 for chairman, tbh :)

I think he already is.
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"I'm Bryan," the skipper replied. "You're Bobby."

Offline NE5

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:52:22 PM »

do you stalk Adam Crozier as well  :lol:


If Shepherd had been boss of the FA it would have Souness or Roeder in charge now.

And McKeag would appoint you  :lol:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?

"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

thompers

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:54:40 PM »

do you stalk Adam Crozier as well  :lol:


If Shepherd had been boss of the FA it would have Souness or Roeder in charge now.

And McKeag would appoint you  :lol:


do you stalk Adam Crozier as well  :lol:


If Shepherd had been boss of the FA it would have Souness or Roeder in charge now.

And McKeag would appoint you  :lol:

I geuninely cringed at that reply.

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:55:14 PM »
:lol:

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 07:56:43 PM »

Offline Cronky

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 08:00:13 PM »
One thing's for sure - whenever Freddie talks about what the fans want, he's actually talking about what he wants.

Appointing Roeder was just one of a string of poor decisions which are all related to one another. He tries to act like a Director of Football, and there are not many managers who are prepared to put up with that. Except those who are desperate for the job, for whatever reason.
People generalise too much.

geordieracer

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 08:00:38 PM »
because all the fans wanted him, if he had appointed someone else, who was quite high profile but they didn't work out, people would be moaning at why he didn't appoint the best option in roeder etc, an then he would be slaughtered for not knowing anything about football

roeders appointment is of no blame to FFS IMO

Offline Mick

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Re: Shepherd's intentions when appointing Roeder
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 22 October 2006, 08:08:39 PM »
because all the fans wanted him, if he had appointed someone else, who was quite high profile but they didn't work out, people would be moaning at why he didn't appoint the best option in roeder etc, an then he would be slaughtered for not knowing anything about football

roeders appointment is of no blame to FFS IMO

You jest, I hope.
"Hello, Bobby," he once greeted his England captain, Bryan Robson.

"I'm Bryan," the skipper replied. "You're Bobby."