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How do people think these buildings came down?

Two jets and jet fuel and impact velocity.
As above but also the buildings were quite old and not that well made.
The jets and a descision by someone 'to pull' the them.
They would never have collapsed like that without explosives weakening them.
Morrisey did it.

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Offline Parky

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9/11 Controlled demolition.
« on: Friday 15 September 2006, 12:37:11 PM »


Some experts want to re-open a new 9/11 enquiry as momentum gathers against the official story.

Watch a few min of video and discuss.
« Last Edit: Monday 18 September 2006, 01:03:10 PM by Parky »

Offline Dave

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 12:38:32 PM »
Conclusion: It was those Islamic extremists in those planes.

Offline Parky

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 12:39:21 PM »
Wrong. :roll:

Offline Dave

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 12:40:11 PM »
:lol:

Offline Parky

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 12:40:44 PM »
Watch the vid man. blueyes.gif

Offline BlueStar

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 12:53:17 PM »
The entire idea is completely flawed from the start.  Why the hell would you need to rigg the buildings with explosives when two planes full of fuel were going to t*** into them at top speed?  You've got to have a screw loose to believe any of these loose change style conspiracy theories, it's basically the left's version of the nutters who think global warming is a myth designed to destroy US business or that dinosaur bones were planted by evil secularists. 

Offline Parky

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 12:59:34 PM »
"Why the hell would you need to rigg the buildings with explosives when two planes full of fuel were going to **** into them at top speed?" Blau Star.

Do you know anything about it?


Offline Keefaz

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:01:11 PM »
Surely to have a controlled demolition you'd need to drill several thousand holes and fill them with explosive. You reckon somebody would've noticed, like.

Offline Parky

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:01:41 PM »
Not with shaped charges no.

Offline BlueStar

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #9 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:01:46 PM »
"Why the hell would you need to rigg the buildings with explosives when two planes full of fuel were going to **** into them at top speed?" Blau Star.

Do you know anything about it?



Do you?  Have you compared it to other incidents where planes with a full load of fuel have been stotted into buildings the size of the WTC to show that's not how they would have collapsed?

Offline BlufPurdi

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #10 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:02:54 PM »
Yet these people are established physicists from some of America's best Universities.  How long can this go on describing people that are well versed in their field being described as crackpots. 

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951 - There's one being hounded out of his job for daring to question the official version, oh yeah, and writing a paper on it, as to why the official version doesn't make sense. 
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Offline BlueStar

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #11 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:04:59 PM »
Yep, there are people with practically the entire alphabet after their name who say global warming is a myth, the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is false and aliens are abducting texans and probing them.  I don't believe them either.

EDIT: The conspiracy theories don't even agree with each other!  I've seen "proof" from "experts" that the planes were commercial jets rigged to fire missles, that a missile was launched to hit at the same time as the planes, that the planes were actually missiles themselves, that the planes hit and then charges that had been rigged throughout the building... Usually backed up by some wobbly physics and some seriously shakey "evidence" in the for of clips of a hotdog seller who's just had a building fall on his head saying it sounded like an explosion!

Offline Parky

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #12 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:06:10 PM »
"Do you?  Have you compared it to other incidents where planes with a full load of fuel have been stotted into buildings the size of the WTC to show that's not how they would have collapsed?" Blau

Yes.

They have compared it to simiar buildings that burnt all weekend and never came down, not just for a few hours.
Jet fuel would have burnt of in a few minutes without reaching the temp to melt reinforced steel.
What happened to the core of the building ie the steel pillars? How did they end up as molted steel in the floor? The only thing that could have done that is thermite, a very exotic steel melting explosive or gel...Depends on what they used.


Offline BlufPurdi

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #13 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:07:18 PM »
Yep, there are people with practically the entire alphabet after their name who say global warming is a myth, the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is false and aliens are abducting texans and probing them.  I don't believe them either.

I'd like to see examples of these to be honest.  I agree on the Global warming one, and evolution, but hey, whose government is backing these people...
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

Offline Keefaz

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #14 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:07:19 PM »
As others have said, they really are just theories. No one has experience of the effects that crashing a airliner into a WTC tower would have.

Offline Parky

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #15 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:07:30 PM »
"Yep, there are people with practically the entire alphabet after their name who say global warming is a myth, the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is false and aliens are abducting texans and probing them.  I don't believe them either." Blau

Forget about that. Let's talk about 9/11. bluewink.gif

Offline BlufPurdi

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #16 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:09:32 PM »
As others have said, they really are just theories. No one has experience of the effects that crashing a airliner into a WTC tower would have.

I think it has more to do with finding traces of thermite, than what the planes did, or did not, cause.  Where exactly did the thermite come from?
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

Offline BlueStar

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #17 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:09:50 PM »
"Do you?  Have you compared it to other incidents where planes with a full load of fuel have been stotted into buildings the size of the WTC to show that's not how they would have collapsed?" Blau

Yes.

They have compared it to simiar buildings that burnt all weekend and never came down, not just for a few hours.
Jet fuel would have burnt of in a few minutes without reaching the temp to melt reinforced steel.
What happened to the core of the building ie the steel pillars? How did they end up as molted steel in the floor? The only thing that could have done that is thermite, a very exotic steel melting explosive or gel...Depends on what they used.



No you haven't because this situation has never happened before. A smiliar building with a fire in it is not the same as a building deliberately hit with a Boeing.

Offline Dokko

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #18 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:09:57 PM »
How the buildings fell makes as much sense as saying this is a conspiracy; its very difficult for me to belive the officail events due to the physical evidence, yet its hard to believe a government being willing to sacarifice so many lives in front of the world for their own gains.


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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #19 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:10:51 PM »
Parky - your views are quite franky absurd. Cant you accept that the Islamic terrorists you worship and make excuses for regularly on this board actually did intentionally kill 3,500 people?


 :thdn: :roll:



Offline Parky

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #20 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:11:22 PM »
"No you haven't because this situation has never happened before. A smiliar building with a fire in it is not the same as a building deliberately hit with a Boeing."


So how about WT7? Not hit by planes and with a much smaller subsidiary fire...How did that come down? Seriously how did it?

alex

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #21 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:12:53 PM »
Not again  :lol: Parky's on a wind-up ;)

Offline BlueStar

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #22 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:14:14 PM »
"No you haven't because this situation has never happened before. A smiliar building with a fire in it is not the same as a building deliberately hit with a Boeing."


So how about WT7? Not hit by planes and with a much smaller subsidiary fire...How did that come down? Seriously how did it?

Shoddy bulding work, controlled explosion because they wanted to make it safe, vibration from the catastrophic explosions that had happened nearby and which no-one had expected when building it.  None of which would mean that they pointlessly put bombs in a building that was going to be totalled by an airliner anyway.  All these idiotic theories do nothing but aid the cause of neo-cons who want to paint people who disagree with their kamakazi foreign policy as subnormal and gullible fruitloops.

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #23 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:15:28 PM »
Conclusion: It was those Islamic extremists in those planes.

Offline ChezGiven

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Re: 9/11 Controlled demolition.
« Reply #24 on: Friday 15 September 2006, 01:16:44 PM »
Yep, there are people with practically the entire alphabet after their name who say global warming is a myth, the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is false and aliens are abducting texans and probing them.  I don't believe them either.

Global warming - people point to the lack of evidence that it is happening. They fail to understand that true evidence on this can only come counter-factually. That game is about prediction, not 'i observed X repeatedly and therefore we know Y will happen'. Not the way that research game works, there is uncertainty until it happens and only then can you be sure. until then anyone can say 'categorically prove it'

6000 years old etc - no academic in the world challenges the age of the earth, theological or not.

Aliens etc - astro-physicists have worked out the probability that they exist using complex mathematical models and basic probability theory. Its Billions and billions to one on that they exist.

These physics boys put together a coherent argument based on known physics models, no conjecture.

I personally am ambivalent to the theory but they can not be dismissed in the way you have done although i agree with the sceptical sentiment regarding the overall question.




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