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Offline LoveItIfWeBeatU

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Re: Formula 1 - RIP Niki Lauda
« Reply #5300 on: Saturday 7 September 2019, 11:35:48 AM »
jesus!

https://streamable.com/ujnxr

I thought that was a McLaren on first viewing. I presume that was a drain cover coming loose that caused that?
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« Reply #5301 on: Saturday 7 September 2019, 11:37:21 AM »
jesus!

https://streamable.com/ujnxr

I thought that was a McLaren on first viewing. I presume that was a drain cover coming loose that caused that?

Kerb to prevent people running wide and gaining an advantage, its been removed now.


It's strange how they've replace gravel there to asphalt and the same at Spa but it's caused bigger accidents.

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« Reply #5302 on: Saturday 7 September 2019, 03:16:09 PM »
I can't believe what i've just seen. Utter mess.
Aye. Just felt I did it at the same time as you and you came out tops every time. Just in a bad mood now after Pixelhax.

Have to get this out now:

Pixel you're either hacking with the demo, or you're too f***ing good to constantly hammer us to the ground with it every time we play. Starts to take the p*ss a bit. I mean, I don't want you to not enjoy the game, but at the same time I'd quite like to enjoy playing it too.

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« Reply #5303 on: Saturday 7 September 2019, 03:16:33 PM »
Absolute shambles that was.

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« Reply #5304 on: Saturday 7 September 2019, 03:19:12 PM »
:spit: hilarious

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« Reply #5306 on: Saturday 7 September 2019, 10:08:21 PM »
Did the commentator say "Holy s***" in that clip btw?

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« Reply #5307 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 02:25:14 PM »
Vettel spinning again.

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« Reply #5308 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 03:32:03 PM »
Both Merc drivers cracked under the pressure there


Charles is just magnificent.

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« Reply #5309 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 03:35:25 PM »
Both Merc drivers cracked under the pressure there


Charles is just magnificent.

 [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]  God you talk s****.

All 3 of them made mistakes.



Well deserved by Charles, but he had a black and white flag and cut a chicane.

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« Reply #5310 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 03:40:47 PM »
I saw that btw.  Pathetic.

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« Reply #5311 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 03:43:15 PM »
He's clearly the no. 1 driver in that team now.  Vettel lost out again like 2014 to a younger team mate.

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« Reply #5312 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 09:52:50 PM »
I see the FIA is back to standing for Ferrari International Assistance. Funny how the stewards were so lenient on Leclerc for his transgressions.
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« Reply #5313 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 09:57:49 PM »
I see the FIA is back to standing for Ferrari International Assistance. Funny how the stewards were so lenient on Leclerc for his transgressions.

He got lucky, I remember Max being punished for the same thing last year.

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« Reply #5314 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 10:02:02 PM »
He got "lucky" 2 if not 3 times. Ran Hamilton off the road, cut a corner and moving twice under braking.

Ferrari winning in Italy is good box office for F1.
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« Reply #5315 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 10:02:08 PM »
I see the FIA is back to standing for Ferrari International Assistance. Funny how the stewards were so lenient on Leclerc for his transgressions.
It's because they brought back the black and white flag and wanted to see it being used at the sharp end.  All I know is if it was Max instead of Lewis in that scenario it would have ended in a crash as Lewis was pushed off the road.  It was a difficult day for Lewis as he pitted early for the mediums and Charles went onto the Hards at the same time and even if he had got him then his tires would have been too far gone to defend at the end of the race.  Once he made that mistake and Bottas got past ( I say mistake but his tyres were gone at that stage) I don't understand why they didnt pit him straight away because whilst it was highly unlikely he would have been able to get challenge for the lead, it was possible if they put him on softs with Leclerc being on very old hards. If I was James Vowles I would have had Hamilton in at the end of the lap Bottas past him.  Maybe they are pushing it on engine life for the season so didn't want to try but it could have been a great end.  I was surpised they didn't as they did it before and it worked but I think they know the title is sewn up so they are playing safe.

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« Reply #5316 on: Sunday 8 September 2019, 11:06:05 PM »
I see the FIA is back to standing for Ferrari International Assistance. Funny how the stewards were so lenient on Leclerc for his transgressions.
It's because they brought back the black and white flag and wanted to see it being used at the sharp end.  All I know is if it was Max instead of Lewis in that scenario it would have ended in a crash as Lewis was pushed off the road.  It was a difficult day for Lewis as he pitted early for the mediums and Charles went onto the Hards at the same time and even if he had got him then his tires would have been too far gone to defend at the end of the race.  Once he made that mistake and Bottas got past ( I say mistake but his tyres were gone at that stage) I don't understand why they didnt pit him straight away because whilst it was highly unlikely he would have been able to get challenge for the lead, it was possible if they put him on softs with Leclerc being on very old hards. If I was James Vowles I would have had Hamilton in at the end of the lap Bottas past him.  Maybe they are pushing it on engine life for the season so didn't want to try but it could have been a great end.  I was surpised they didn't as they did it before and it worked but I think they know the title is sewn up so they are playing safe.

Don't agree with that, leclerc could have had an incident with Bottas or himself and Hamiton could have got 2nd or 1st back which would have been unavailable if he hadn't pitted.

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« Reply #5317 on: Monday 9 September 2019, 08:35:56 PM »
Good analysis about why the FIA have made a rod for their own back by letting Leclerc off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49629863

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Jolyon Palmer column: Charles Leclerc win at Monza leaves Formula 1 in a tangle
   
By Jolyon Palmer

Former Renault driver and BBC Radio 5 Live commentator

Former F1 driver Jolyon Palmer, who left Renault during the 2017 season, is part of the BBC team and offers insight and analysis from the point of view of the competitors.

Charles Leclerc drove wonderfully on Sunday to win the Italian Grand Prix - but he should have been penalised for forcing Lewis Hamilton off the road at the second chicane.

The fact Leclerc got away with that has left governing body the FIA, the race stewards and the race director in an uncomfortable Rubik's cube of a tangle.

Why Leclerc broke the rules
Let's start with the facts.

Leclerc forced Hamilton off the road in the braking zone for the second chicane on lap 23, as Hamilton attempted a move on the outside. This is undeniable.

Hamilton kicked up the grass in his evasive action as the Ferrari moved across, and was forced to cut the chicane and rejoin behind.

Firstly, this is not fair racing from Leclerc. The rules dictate that in such situations drivers must leave a car's width of space for their opponents, particularly in the braking areas, where they are in full control of their car's positioning, unlike at the apex or exit, where small slides can cause them to deviate from their original and intended trajectory.

Leclerc moved to the right while he was braking and forced Hamilton off the road. Hamilton couldn't do anything about it, other than to crash with Leclerc or to go off and cut the corner, as he was already on the limit of the brakes and couldn't back out from alongside the Ferrari man. Nor should he have had to.

Last year, Red Bull's Max Verstappen was penalised five seconds for an almost identical infringement on Mercedes' Valtteri Bottas at turn one in Monza, and it cost the Dutchman a podium.

With Leclerc, though, the FIA brought out its latest measure instead of keeping things consistent. They instead showed the black-and-white warning flag to Leclerc.

Race director Michael Masi likens it to a yellow card in football; but it's effectively nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

The race stewards are at liberty to investigate any incident, regardless of whether Masi uses the black-and-white flag. But in this case they took no action.

Some have seen this as the stewards bottling it with a huge decision, against a race-leading Ferrari, in Monza, surrounded by 100,000 or so Italian fans all wearing red. Hamilton and Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff made a similar point after the race.

In my view, the decision was clear-cut. Much as I didn't want to see a penalty, as it would have inevitably ruined the race, the rules are the rules and they must be adhered to for the good of the sport over the entertainment factor of the show.

This is F1's equivalent of Manchester City being 0-0 with Crystal Palace and in the 60th minute Raheem Sterling is brought down in the penalty area and the underdogs also then have a man sent off.

Sure, it ruins the game to give City the penalty and reduce Palace to 10 men, but those are the rules. You can't not do it because everyone wants to see a more balanced game for the remaining 30 minutes.

And you especially can't not give it because the game is at Crystal Palace and their 25,000 fans in the crowd will be unhappy.

The risk of unintended consequences
I found it extremely uncomfortable watching Masi trying to explain the situation after the race.

He said the revival of the black-and-white warning flag was a new measure brought in at the request of the teams and drivers to allow for harder racing.

But what precedent does this now set?

It means drivers are potentially allowed to commit one offence in a race and get away with it. What sort of racing is that going to produce? And how is that ethical or fair?

Verstappen got away with a dubious race-winning move on Leclerc back in Austria and it has set a new precedent for forcing drivers off the road on the outside on the exit of the corner. But in many ways Verstappen's case was easier to defend than this one from Leclerc.

Because Leclerc was given only a warning, it would appear drivers are now allowed to force each other off on the outside before a corner as well.

If that's the case, there is a serious risk that the days of an overtake around the outside are well and truly over, unless a car is pretty much fully ahead before actually getting to the corner.

Masi then went on to explain a further reason Verstappen might have been penalised last year and Leclerc not this year was because last year there was contact and this year there wasn't.

On the face of it, that makes some sense. But in reality there was only no contact this time because Hamilton took better evasive action than Bottas did in his position last year.

In fact, Bottas actually had more space than Hamilton did last year; he just didn't budge and the incident ended in light contact.

Which leads me on to the next problematic situation - drivers might go looking for a bit of contact on the outside, just to prove to the FIA the absolute obvious, and thus get a penalty for the aggressor who is clearly contravening the rules.

With motorsport safety coming back into the public eye after the death of Anthoine Hubert in Belgium under F1's very nose, what sort of a statement is this?

It seems either idiotic or downright irresponsible, or even both.

Wolff made this exact point after the race.

Asked if the black-and-white flag promoted drivers taking more liberties and opened a can of worms, he said: "There will be more touching. It will be more of a common practice. My opinion is it will go to the point that it will end up in a collision and then we will bale out again."

Wolff is absolutely right. Drivers will always do everything they can to gain an advantage, no matter what's at stake. If suddenly they can get away with pushing another driver off the track once per race, they will do it. And if for the other driver it is beneficial to have a little tap with the car next to you, they will look for it.

Leclerc's second dodgy move
The next issue with the black-and-white flag is whether it a pure yellow card, or a yellow card for that particular offence only? The FIA says the former - that any new driving offence would count.

Leclerc's next on-the-edge move came when, under further pressure from Hamilton, he cut the chicane at turn one and then meandered up the curved straight of Curva Grande, with a sudden jink to the left as Hamilton appeared to have a run on him.

Hamilton backed out and ultimately lost his momentum, and with it another chance of a move was halted by Leclerc's aggressive defence.

This time, the actual cutting of the corner (which was investigated) was fine - Leclerc rejoined and clearly didn't gain an advantage.

But the sudden chop across the nose of Hamilton through the flat out Curva Grande corner (which wasn't investigated) was once again right on the limit.

In isolation I probably could see this being allowed, as the curved nature of the 'straight' blurs the lines somewhat. But with the backdrop of the black-and-white flag already deployed, this was potentially a second offence that could have seen a red.

Are decisions consistent enough?
The problem to me is the stewarding is inconsistent - a point Hamilton made after the race.

The stewards have a difficult job to do, they take it seriously and they try to do it as best they can. But at times, from the outside, it can feel like decisions aren't based on racing, but on the likely popularity of the decision with the masses.

Back in China, Toro Rosso's Daniil Kvyat - nicknamed 'the torpedo' after a series of incidents a few years ago - was handed a whopping drive-through penalty in China for what appeared to be a pure racing incident when he collided with both McLarens on the opening lap.

Would Leclerc have received the same penalty? I doubt it.

The fact is, Leclerc is a very popular driver. In fact, I've never known a more popular front-runner and now race-winner in my time than the young Monegasque driver. Has that, plus the fact he drives a red car, had a bearing on the result this weekend?

In Canada, I applauded the FIA for sticking to its guns - and the rulebook - when handing Sebastian Vettel a penalty for a breach of rules when he rejoined the track after going off and impeding Hamilton.

But since then the demand from the teams and drivers to 'let them race' - which is also popular with the fans - has led to a problematic situation where it's hard to predict what their next decision will be, and where consistency can seem to be in short supply.

A manifesto for change
This all overshadows the fact it was a cracking race and those were unbelievable drives from both Leclerc and Hamilton.

The biggest frustration is that Leclerc need not have forced Hamilton off at all. He was on the inside into the corner, and ahead. Hamilton was never going to go around the outside, so it was completely unnecessary, and put a taint on an otherwise phenomenal drive.

A five-second penalty might have outraged many in Monza, but not giving it puts the stewards in a more uncomfortable position - and there will probably now be many more incidents and controversies as a result.

In my view, F1 needs a complete rules reset. It is a controversial idea, but I believe the sport needs a permanent race steward, or stewarding team, who share the same or similar ideals.

At the moment, stewards - and the ex-drivers who sit on the panel each race - have different opinions of various incidents and this is what leads to inconsistency.

But, as Hamilton pointed out, the drivers need consistency to know how far they can push things out on track.

Secondly, once in place the stewarding team must explain the rules clearly to the drivers, what they can and can't get away with, and what the repercussions will be for each transgression.

Finally, the simple bit - stick to the rules when handing out penalties.

Sure, in the short term there will be some uncomfortable and unpopular moments. But once consistency is adhered to and the drivers are crystal clear what they can and can't do, F1 will be fairer, safer and better.

Right now, that is the only thing detracting from what has been a season full of cracking races like Monza.
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« Reply #5318 on: Wednesday 18 September 2019, 07:28:24 AM »
I went to my first ever F1 race last week, in Monza, Italy.  Thought I'd post some info and pics, might be useful for anyone else who decides to attend in the future or is just interested in what happens over a race weekend - apologies for the mega-post...

Arrived in the town of Monza on the Wednesday before the GP...noticed our room rate at the b&b jumped 10x (not exaggerating) as it notched over thu-sun, but was just happy to have bagged some accommodation all the way back in...forgotten when, much earlier in the year!  Most F1 tourists seem to stay in Milan - doesn't appeal to me, though. Monza is smaller, cozier, and really well-positioned to walk through the park to get to the track. The Milan folks need to get the train to Monza (1 hour), shuttle bus to edge of park (10-15 mins), then walk anyway...and repeat all that for the return journey...couldn't be doing with that for 4 days!



Decided to make first visit to the track on the Thursday - there's no car action going on, but nice to get your bearings. Walked the two miles from our b&b thru the enormous Monza park. Incredibly beautiful walk, loved it. Saw red squirrels, grey squirrels and black squirrels. And there's a lovely little lake with turtles. And gigantic fish.







First view of Monza circuit, got to walk the length of the pit-lane (along with thousands of tifosi) after a lengthy/shambolic wait. Great to see the cars so close-up. Some teams were practicing pit stops, didn't realise the air-pressured wheel guns were quite so loud. Busiest pit was Ferrari (of course!). Mercedes didn't bother to have their motors on display, boo, hiss!!







My wife bought a Williams top - quite a search, only a few stalls had any Williams merchandise. I bought a Mclaren top, but need to lose my belly to ever fit into it...that's a handy goal to have after all that pasta, pizza and ice-cream...

You can take water into the circuit...but only if the container is open - the security guys confiscate bottle tops. No idea why, seems daft...but we just hid our tops when we went through security anyway!

Lunch consisted of a wierd panini creation...not great. Porta-loos were plentiful, but, a little random in what nightmare awaited you...

Then back into town. Monza town turns into a racing celebration over the course of the week with the joys of high decibel trance/s**** music being blasted out until - I am not kidding - 3 in the morning.  We were sleep-deprived zombies the next day.

'Free Friday' meant we could wander all the grandstands in our zombied state, so the next day we located where our tickets said our seats were (had done a lot of internet research, Alto Velocita 6C was regarded as being a great viewpoint, just on the first corner) and watched some F1 practice. The cars were actually quiet compared to the previous night's music. Awesome to see the cars in action for the first time, really good vantage point, row K, so about 4 rows from the top meant a great view.  Two massive tv screens opposite allowed super view of the rest of the on-track action, and the speaker system broadcast info mostly in English, surprisingly.











Quite a bit of action in F2 and F3.  F3 qualifying was mental as the drivers decided to just race each other, absolute nut-jobs, but great fun.











Was keen to experience the Ascari chicane as well so we went there too.  Were quite low down, but fantastic to see the cars tilting as they rode through the kerbs and we were super close to the track. Monumental rain/lightning storm kept the Monza town party DJs quiet that night.

Saturday was F1 qualy, of course - fresh from achieving some actual sleep, we discovered the metal grandstand seats were pretty brutal after a few hours of sitting on them. Arses were broken. And the porta-loos were by now increasingly nasty. Despite those horrors, were rather hungry. Tried to buy some chips...unbelievably chaotic Italian queing system where we waited in one queue, handed cash over...and received...purple tokens. WTF? Where's me chips? Waved away. Half a dozen other queues, no sign of chip supplier.  Waited in another queue for many minutes. Nope, waved us to next queue...and so on. Eventually found right (unmarked queue) for chips.  They were nice, mind! Beer was laughably expensive. When I'm on holiday I will happily overpay for stuff. But 8 euros? For a tiny bottle? Nope! Surprisingly, some lads were utterly hammered, must have had rich parents.



Saw a Dutch lad surrounded by security, being asked about his 'VIP' pass...they were saying such passes usually had photos on, asking him where he bought it from. He was giving vague answers, trying to make out he'd bought in good faith...but didn't know who had sold it to him! Kept trying to confidently blag his way through…right up until they mentioned police and he suddenly switched to being super contrite, pleading with them to let him go (they didn't). Don't buy a dodgy pass...

Qualy was fascinating to see them slowing down from 200+ mph - if you took the numbers off the cars and gave them the same helmets, you could still tell the difference between Hamilton and Bottas. Lewis was very precise and smooth, Bottas more ragged. Best sounding cars were the Red Bulls, had a throaty growl to them as they accelerated away.













Watched the F2 race and that was a little bewildering, being trackside - not a clue who most of them were apart from Mick Schumacher. But was good to see a proper race and get used to switching attention between track and the big view-screens to follow the action.

Great view of the camping area from our grandstand - lots of Max supporters. Looked like folks in minivans had constructed their own grandstand from scaffolding, brought their own mega sound system, super atmosphere.  And a guy dressed in a lion costume.  In blazing sunshine!





Must have ended up walking 6 miles at least per day, probably far more, with backpack. Weather had swung to surface-of-the-sun boiling now, factor 50'd-up to save ourselves. Too tired to figure out how to access the old, banked circuit (was disappointed, really wanted to stand on it). Anyway, back through the park, so exhausted, fell asleep despite the Monza town DJs best efforts to wake the dead.

Super-excited on Sunday, race day. Took another long stroll through the glorious park, ate our lunch from a picnic bench, then joined the huge mass of folks making their way to the circuit. Appreciably busier now, and a bit more of a queue to get in. Had got there in plenty of time, bought a couple of vastly-overpriced seat cushions (hurray!) and a little model of Mansell's famous Williams car - always like a memento from our travels. Made it to our seats in time for the drivers parade. Cushions made a huge difference!



Driver's parade was funny, old Italian police cars with sirens going, Russell super-enthusiastic waving like a loon, Kimi as cool as ever, Danny Ric's smile visible from space. The flyover by the Italian jets was amazing, crazily low and loud, tons of smoke. Near us, there was a nutter with a plastic horse's head on, taking the Ferrari adulation a bit too far.







The race itself was really exciting - Hamilton was relentlessly close on Leclerc's tail for 40+ laps, looked much closer from trackside than the big screens showed, so was thrilling to see him pull back the gap, lap after lap. Max provided much of our action, as he rose through the pack. The 53 laps flew by, sometimes too much going on to take in, with action on the big screens then screeches of tyres and you catch sight of someone locking-up into the first corner. Watched Leclerc's mistake and was sure Lewis would have him! Eventually, though, after Lewis himself made an error, tyres gone, that was pretty much it. The Ferrari fans were overjoyed, like!



















And then, the race was over. We didn't know how to get onto the track...spotted folks scaling the old banked circuit through a gap in the fence…ran over and - finally - was standing on the historic banking! Began the climb. Jeez - really can't explain how steep this thing was, had to use the wire fencing running up it to climb all the way. Got to the top...and discovered a massive drop to the side of the modern circuit below!





Parents with kids were bottling it and had to give up and retreat back down the banking. Managed to make it with camera swinging wildly around my neck and backpack weighing me down. And then, somehow, we were actually on the track! Joined the many thousands of joyous fans charging for the podium.

Got close enough (just) to see the drivers celebrate.  Atmosphere was great, loads of happy Italians and Ferrari fans. There was an incredible wave of emotion (and flags) when the Italian anthem played, goosebumps being right in the heart of the crowd.

Plenty of local fans were taking the opportunity to pilfer mementos...saw a guy rolling along two tyres, one with a polystyrene chicane board, and then two intrepid guys ambling along with a 10-feet long section of advertising! (oh, aye, had also seen a chap carrying a racing fuel drum out of the circuit the previous day!).  Stood under the starting lights.  And also found myself standing on some car starting marks on the track, but too many fans, no idea which position I was in.











So, first experience of a GP. Loved it. Worth going just for the atmosphere (especially if Ferrari win) and to experience the modern and old circuits. Facilities were pretty poor/appalling, organisation was chaotic at times, crowds were busy, but...yeah, I'd go again!

Oh, and a shout-out for Google Translate. I grabbed the offline option and it proved invaluable. Camera mode dynamically translates menus, signs, etc in real-time!

And Italian trains - they were awesome, puts our system in the UK to shame. Really cheap, fixed-price, but I did have to mess about generating a fake Italian tax code just to create a TrenItalia account for online booking. You can buy tickets in-person at the stations instead, though.

After the race, needed a break from all that walking - went to Lake Como and relaxed in the beautiful little village of Varenna - would recommend it!




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« Reply #5319 on: Wednesday 18 September 2019, 07:41:27 AM »
Looks like a mega weekend. Thanks for posting all the photos :thup:
Aye. Just felt I did it at the same time as you and you came out tops every time. Just in a bad mood now after Pixelhax.

Have to get this out now:

Pixel you're either hacking with the demo, or you're too f***ing good to constantly hammer us to the ground with it every time we play. Starts to take the p*ss a bit. I mean, I don't want you to not enjoy the game, but at the same time I'd quite like to enjoy playing it too.

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« Reply #5320 on: Wednesday 18 September 2019, 10:42:58 AM »
Great post, I got to my first GP this year at Silverstone can’t wait to get back. After seeing your photos I’d love to get away for the Italian weekend or any on the continent.
LGM

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« Reply #5321 on: Saturday 21 September 2019, 03:05:11 PM »
Charles is brilliant :smitten:

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« Reply #5322 on: Saturday 21 September 2019, 03:26:05 PM »
Man, those Monza pics.

Definitely saving up to try to go one at some point. BTCC is always great to go to aswell.

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« Reply #5323 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 03:46:44 PM »
Ferrari are back, f***ed it up for charles though.

Mercedes a shambles with their strategy.

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« Reply #5324 on: Sunday 22 September 2019, 08:02:10 PM »
James Vowles needs to be sacked he has made a handful of good decisions over time but he often leaves them out despite every f***er else seeing the times.  Yeah a Safety car may have happened but he Lewis still would have lost places unless it had happened early.  f***ing undercut you prick, stop leaving him out when you can see the deltas with rivals are massive.  If he pitted him when or before they pitted Vettel he would have won this race and also why the f*** did they then put him on hards after such a massive stint on the softs.  Mercedes had the fastest car on race pace and that race was probably easy to win with an undercut especially as they are better on tyres than the others but it should have at least been 2nd as a minimum.