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Who do you feel is the worst manager?

Steve Bruce
66 (33%)
Steve McClaren
12 (6%)
John Carver
86 (43%)
Alan Pardew
12 (6%)
Joe Kinnear
24 (12%)

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« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:12:55 PM »
McClaren has to be up there too

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« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:18:46 PM »
Carver
Mcclaren
Pardew
Kinnear
Bruce


Pardew is easily my most hated though.

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« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:28:58 PM »
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here
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« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:38:12 PM »
Kinnear was probably the most humiliatingly bad appointment - it was genuinely outwardly embarrassing having him as manager, whereas most of the others were just plain embarrassing. He was an absolutely dreadful manager, only outdone by Carver in terms of ability.

In terms of hatred, I'd put Kinnear second again to Pardew, with Bruce rapidly rising up the ranks. Time has a habit of numbing anger, but it shouldn't be forgotten just how detestable and damaging Pardew was due to how long he spent here pushing Ashley's agenda.

Pardew successfully realigned expectation for a large portion of our fanbase.

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« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:38:52 PM »
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

Yes he did

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« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:58:08 PM »
Kinnear was bizarre.  The sheer lunacy of his appointment is enough. 

Carver was a sack of s**** but he was just a caretaker.

Bruce is an ignorant dinosaur through and through.  He's got a cabbage head and a noodle spine.

Schteve McLaren was another taken off the scrap heap who delivered exactly what we expected of him: nothing.

Pardew had some good times but he had some talented squads.  Without knowing the man you would have thought we'd be p*ssed when he left but we cheered.

I voted Kinnear but only because I try like hell to erase Bruce from my conscious thought.


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« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:00:10 PM »
The style of football wasn’t as repulsive under McClaren though. We at least tried to attack and play it on the deck.

Aye, I was pretty optimistic after the Southampton 2-2 draw and the draw at Old Trafford. We played really well on that opening day. Thought we’d still be a 10th-12th placed team but would look slightly better achieving it. We had some poor games too early on like Swansea away but we had a system and created chances (remember Mitro hitting the bar with a header from edge of the box and Thauvin having a great chance at Man Utd for instance). It soon unravelled but you could at least see what he was trying to do.
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« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:04:35 PM »
Pardew.

He was clearly Ashley's man more than any and that had the biggest negative impact. His moderate early success coupled with trotting out the regime propaganda succeeding in brainwashing loads of our fans and stripping the club of its former ambition.

Some of the others were arguably worse (although I still think many forget just how s*** we were for about 3 years under Pardew), but their shiteness didn't fundamentally damage the fanbase in the same way and produce a load of f***ing apologists.
Before that why didn't the Wigan fans just walk the the Stewart's, the Stewart's only went up to the touchline, their was a big gap between the end of the Stewart's and the stand they could have walked through.
God man replacement's don't have to 100% of best to 100% of a replacement.
The are both white, both intellects, both middle class, both the typical 'people who would have thought could never do such a thing ', all traits of a Psychopath.

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« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:08:20 PM »
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.
It's basically what gives us the upper hand even in times of crisis. "Cannit wait man, we're gonna batter them, hope it's 4 or 5 nil, fancy such and such for a hat trick, we're going got Europe, they're a yo-yo team" Then five minutes into the game "s***, why haven't we scored? They've had a shot! Why aren't we all over them? How come there are two teams in the game? f***, what if we don't win? f***s SAKE CLEAR IT SHOOT TACKLE HIM BOO! What if we lose, PANIC PANIC BRUCE MAN WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHY DID HE MISS THAT SHOT, IS HE A MAG?! IT'S BECAUSE BRUCE IS A MAG! f*** OFF STEWARD ARE YOU A f***ing MAG? BET ALL THESE COPPERS ARE MAGS, AND THE MEDIA! THE REF'S A f***ing MAG! AM I A MAG?! Wait, blacked out for a second there. Ah, f***, we've lost again."

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« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:08:57 PM »
Would have to go Kinnear purely for the sheer ridiculousness of having a mental old man appointed about 20 years after he was relevant. Signalled that we had given up all intention of being a serious football club.

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« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:41:43 PM »
Carver by a long shot. Just a s*** c*** in every way even if he probably meant well in his head and wasn’t a vindictive lying piece of s*** like Pardew or Bruce.
Carver was comfortably the worst manager, but my hatred for Pardew and Bruce is much greater.

:thup:

Kinnear’s management was just before my time as a supporter, so I’ll not rate him in that regard.

In terms of direness of quality on the pitch:

1. Carver
2. McClaren
3. Bruce
4. Pardew

In terms of pure, unadulterated shithousery:

1. Pardew
2. Kinnear (DoF)
3. Bruce
4. Carver
5. McClaren

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« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:55:05 PM »
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.

Don’t forget it he was turd from then on but can’t deny finishing 5th was good and say it was all despite him and blame him for everything after
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« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:55:54 PM »
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.

Don’t forget it he was turd from then on but can’t deny finishing 5th was good and say it was all despite him and blame him for everything after

Also Ashley letting him sign only Anita that summer led to the downturn and we did get to the quarters of the europa league
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« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:03:25 PM »
Carver if we are talking purely in terms of ability, the bloke would be the kit man at a half decent run club. I don't actually think there's much difference in managerial expertise between Bruce and Pardew they are both really s***, Pardew still edging ahead on the hate-ometer due his general sleaze factor.

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« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:20:02 PM »
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.

Don’t forget it he was turd from then on but can’t deny finishing 5th was good and say it was all despite him and blame him for everything after

That 5th season...we had a very good team and were a bit lucky, remember seeing a TEDTalk with a guy explaining/showing how crazy it was that we ended up 5th when looking at the amount of goals we scored compared to chances created. Cisse pretty much scored every time he touched the ball when he arrived. Of course, the following season we were almost relegated with the same team.

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« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:27:57 PM »
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.

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« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:33:47 PM »
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.

I agree with it all just think you can give some credit like 😅
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« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:34:29 PM »
If you do t give any credit for the good then it’s harder to lump all of the bad times on as your fault also
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« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:35:59 PM »
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.

I agree with it all just think you can give some credit like 😅

Ha not a chance

Not from me at least

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« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:40:03 PM »
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.

I agree with it all just think you can give some credit like 😅

Ha not a chance

Not from me at least

Fair enough
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« Reply #70 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:44:17 PM »
This is like asking what kind of s**t sandwich would you like to eat....horse, dog, cat, human, monkey...

Some might be less appealing, but at the end of the day it's still a s**t sandwich

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« Reply #71 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:53:49 PM »
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« Reply #72 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:57:26 PM »
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« Reply #73 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 04:03:49 PM »
Kinnear was bizarre.  The sheer lunacy of his appointment is enough. 

Carver was a sack of s**** but he was just a caretaker.

Bruce is an ignorant dinosaur through and through.  He's got a cabbage head and a noodle spine.

Schteve McLaren was another taken off the scrap heap who delivered exactly what we expected of him: nothing.

Pardew had some good times but he had some talented squads.  Without knowing the man you would have thought we'd be p*ssed when he left but we cheered.

I voted Kinnear but only because I try like hell to erase Bruce from my conscious thought.



Cabbage heed and noodle spine :lol: :lol: :lol:.

That's inspired me, so to the tune of the hokey cokey;

"He's got a cabbage heed and a noodle spine
When it's all gone to s****, he'll tell us that it's fine

He plays s*** football, he's the worst about
and that's why we want him OUT!

Oh Brucey, Brucey, Brucey
Ohhhhhhhh Brucey, Brucey, Brucey

You're s****, so we're s****, now just f*** OFF".

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« Reply #74 on: Tuesday 5 January 2021, 04:12:12 PM »
Carver the worst, 100%. Then its a toss-up between Bruce and McClaren for me.

Bruce because of what he inherited and our continual regression while being patronising and an all round c*** to the fans as well as the media sucking his cock and telling us to be grateful. The football is s**** while this squad is arguably the best we've had since 2013/14. We're much worse than under Benitez when we had a squad with next to no investment for 1 and a half seasons until Almirón arrived.

McClaren for being so s*** and getting that 2015/16 squad relegated. IMO it was possible to see that he tried to get us playing okay stuff and we did in patches in certain games but on the whole the team reflected McClaren as a person, just a weak, wet flannel. But he was just generally s***, our unbeaten run towards the the end of the season under Benitez showed what that team was capable of and also imo 2015/16 is a big reason for the politics between Rafa and Ashley in the following seasons, it set us back years.
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