Author Topic: Project Big Pictu- Oh, it's been rejected. (Read 9964 times)

Nobody · « **on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 03:53:51 PM »

Discuss this s**** here and we'll keep the Takeover thread to Takeover news

cp40 · « **Reply #1 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 04:01:28 PM »

When fans complain about XYZ one standard response is Football isn't just a game its a business now.

How come the rules on monopolies and fair competition, can then conveniently be side stepped by the Governing bodies

Decky · « **Reply #2 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 04:11:06 PM »

Quote from: madras on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 12:52:48 PM

Quote from: r0cafella on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 01:57:14 AM
Quote from: Decky on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 12:21:09 AM
Not sure they'd be begging to rejoin like. A lot of the fans would lose interest because some clubs that dominated or did well in their country would become the dog s*** of the league, but they'd be extremely well compensated for it. The money would be insane. The league we'd be left in would be making f*** all and clubs would be feeling immense strain from that loss of finances. Take the top 5 or 6 out. The rest of of us would be earning Championship money if not less without the draw of the PL.

Winning the league would mean f*** all as well. Lets say we won that league, are we champions of England when clubs in Manchester, Liverpool and London are in the super league with some of the worlds best players in their squad? Not a hope, we'd be fake champions of England, the best English teams are in the super league.

Good post, I agree with Decky here.

It maybe ok for those who want to see football return to a pre premier league era but Southampton vs West ham being a big game in said hypothetically situation doesn’t exactly get pulses racing.
Theyd be well compensated for so long till that leagues now bigger teams say "its us the public want to watch, those at the top not you" and then cut them off.

As for Southampton West Ham not setting pulses racing. Neither would a mid table clash between Spurs and Marseilles in a league I have no interest in.

This is a good point, certain big clubs might not like being the cannonfodder of this new league and may try and rejoin their old leagues. Their global brand would probably suffer as well if they're losing more games than they're winning every season and they aren't challenging for trophies.

But lets say we become one of the top sides in the English league post-split. If Spurs came crawling back would we try and take their place in the Super League? How would we feel about that? Also what if the Super League decided to create their own 3 or 4 tier system and invited us anyway but into League 3 or 4?

jdckelly · « **Reply #3 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 04:36:56 PM »

tbh when it comes to the super league idea, generally I personally find CL matches between clubs from the same country way more interesting than say Liverpool vs Bayerns etc. Theres just been so frequent matches between the giants in europe in recent years its lost its shine a bit

madras · « **Reply #4 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 04:39:27 PM »

Quote from: Decky on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 04:11:06 PM

Quote from: madras on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: r0cafella on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 01:57:14 AM
Quote from: Decky on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 12:21:09 AM
Not sure they'd be begging to rejoin like. A lot of the fans would lose interest because some clubs that dominated or did well in their country would become the dog s*** of the league, but they'd be extremely well compensated for it. The money would be insane. The league we'd be left in would be making f*** all and clubs would be feeling immense strain from that loss of finances. Take the top 5 or 6 out. The rest of of us would be earning Championship money if not less without the draw of the PL.

Winning the league would mean f*** all as well. Lets say we won that league, are we champions of England when clubs in Manchester, Liverpool and London are in the super league with some of the worlds best players in their squad? Not a hope, we'd be fake champions of England, the best English teams are in the super league.

Good post, I agree with Decky here.

It maybe ok for those who want to see football return to a pre premier league era but Southampton vs West ham being a big game in said hypothetically situation doesn’t exactly get pulses racing.
Theyd be well compensated for so long till that leagues now bigger teams say "its us the public want to watch, those at the top not you" and then cut them off.

As for Southampton West Ham not setting pulses racing. Neither would a mid table clash between Spurs and Marseilles in a league I have no interest in.

This is a good point, certain big clubs might not like being the cannonfodder of this new league and may try and rejoin their old leagues. Their global brand would probably suffer as well if they're losing more games than they're winning every season and they aren't challenging for trophies.

But lets say we become one of the top sides in the English league post-split. If Spurs came crawling back would we try and take their place in the Super League? How would we feel about that? Also what if the Super League decided to create their own 3 or 4 tier system and invited us anyway but into League 3 or 4?

Nope, I'd stay. I honestly don't see a Euro league like that as being successful in the long run. Many clubs in the champs league have trouble getting crowds for it as it is and the spctale is not just on the pitch. Ask Manchester fans, both sides about the atmosphere in euro games as opposed to league. Sooner or later that lack from the crowd and lack of localness, the chatting to fans of other clubs at work, social gatherings etc will create a disconnect that will sterilise it and kill it eventually.

MiggysFirstGoal · « **Reply #5 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:07:51 PM »

PL clubs now telling Parry to f*** off or they won’t help bail out the little clubs.

Support amongst the “big six” clubs not as strong as was expected.

TheInfiniteOdyssey · « **Reply #6 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:19:57 PM »

Genuinely hope they all f*** off and start their super league

I'm under no illusions that the shock factor will be massive, the best talent will be concentrated there along with the investment

But we'd be left with the prospect of re-balancing English football, where any team could (realistically) win the league and challenge for any honour

We'd end up in a better place within a few years

WarrenBartonCentrePartin · « **Reply #7 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:24:35 PM »

A European super league would be hilarious tbh.

A small league with no promotion and relegation, just playing the same sides season in, season out, will be dull. It's an idea driven by the money paid for broadcasting rights and that'll primarily cater for a TV audience on the other side of the world.

It'd pretty much kill off the concept of away fans. Very, very few people will have the money and time to fly around Europe following their team every other weekend. There'll be families in and around Manchester and Liverpool who have followed their club for generations, spending tens of thousands of pounds in the process.

I think for many of those fans, it'll be the end.

I don't care for the "big six" and the hope of seeing them become completely sterile, their stadiums full of tourists (post-Covid) for something that's purely motivated by corporate greed to benefit a select few would be glorious.

relámpago blanco · « **Reply #8 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:26:52 PM »

What a lot of s**** this is. Its basically how the government operates. Make the richest richer, the ones in the middle get taxed to f*** and the poor are supported with benefits

Wullie · « **Reply #9 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:28:26 PM »

They'd all realise the folly of a Super League within 3 games. "Oh s*** we've won Serie A for seven years running and now we're 7th in a 12 team league. We're now Crystal Palace. Atalanta, can we come back please?"

frankpingel · « **Reply #10 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:29:55 PM »

It's just a pity there'll be no crowds to voice the disapproval this coming weekend or, indeed, until this is dealt with.

Smal · « **Reply #11 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:31:34 PM »

Ameritoon · « **Reply #12 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:34:57 PM »

Sounds like the bluff was called in the spring
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/13/breakaway-bombshell-fa-reveals-big-six-threatened-quit-premier/

nbthree3 · « **Reply #13 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:36:50 PM »

The EFL love it, too

Bosses from EFL's 72 clubs held divisional meetings this afternoon & 5 of them have just been talking to a few journos. The headline? I misjudged Project Big Picture's popularity in EFL when I said 2/3 would like it. Sounds like 9/10 of them LOVE IT! Total support for Parry, too.
— Matt Slater (@mjshrimper) October 13, 2020

?s=20 - clear divide now. The supporters, mostly, rightly hate it whereas the boardroom love it

nbthree3 · « **Reply #14 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:38:44 PM »

Sorry, doing several things at once! Peter Ridsdale (PNE) & Tony Stewart (Rotherham) from Ch'ship, Jez Moxey (Burton) & Paul Scally (Gills) from L1, & Nigel Travis (Os) from L2. They'd all been in divisional meetings. No votes but near unanimity in L1/L2, strong support Ch'ship
— Matt Slater (@mjshrimper) October 13, 2020

?s=20 Further on my above

Wullie · « **Reply #15 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:39:14 PM »

Not surprising the EFL clubs would largely welcome it. Why would Colchester and Accrington give a f*** who pulls the Premier League strings?

neesy111 · « **Reply #16 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:39:40 PM »

Quote from: Wullie on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:39:14 PM

Not surprising the EFL clubs would largely welcome it. Why would Colchester and Accrington give a f*** who pulls the Premier League strings?

Yeap.

Matt · « **Reply #17 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:41:23 PM »

The ITV Digital deal went well for them.

54 · « **Reply #18 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:46:28 PM »

Joint Statement: Project Big Picture

SOS join fans of @AST_arsenal @THSTOfficial @ChelseaSTrust @MU_ST @ChelseaSTrust @TheOSC8 to oppose Project Big Picture.

Link: https://t.co/A2xewA2S86 pic.twitter.com/5OEbMBPVG7
— Spirit of Shankly (@spiritofshankly) October 13, 2020

Clarke @FA warns plotters: “In addition to the Special Share in @premierleague, which prevents certain changes being made to the constitution without the FA’s consent, it is also the FA responsibility to sanction competitions in England, including any proposed new competition..."
— Henry Winter (@henrywinter) October 13, 2020

Super Duper Branko Strupar · « **Reply #19 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 06:56:24 PM »

It's an outrage, imo. Essentially the "big 6" think they're valued so much more highly than anyone else and want to capitalise on that perceived value. They're prepared to trade off 25% of the TV money they see as themselves mainly generating, for less commitment to football in this country as a whole. We'll give you 25% if we have less teams in the PL (meaning there are also less clubs to split the TV money between to begin with), have less games, get rid of the league cup, so we have even less games, and more opportunity to generate revenue outside of the established English game because we are essentially better than the rest of you. And they can f*** off. 3 North West clubs and 3 London clubs want to have control over the Top Tier. Spurs

That great, historic top tier team, Manchester City

I'd tell them to f*** off and join the European Super league. And replace those 6 in the top tier of English football with 6 teams from the Championship. f*** it, I'd prefer Celtic and Rangers. Kick them out of the FA cup too. You cant pick and choose you ignorant c***s. You want in? Join in. You want out? f*** off.

Kimbo · « **Reply #20 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 07:29:57 PM »

This thing looks dead in the water to me, and Liverpool and Man U have proven themselves to be scumbag clubs.

I can’t quite get over their executives sitting around agreeing that they should get to decide whether another club gets a takeover, it seems like it should illegal.

Rafalove · « **Reply #21 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 08:06:44 PM »

Fair play to those fan groups

Ikon · « **Reply #22 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 08:13:48 PM »

If we wanted any advice from you Gary it would be how to look like a weasel faced little cunt. Now fuck off https://t.co/Bw0LwlwSlP
— Mike Ashley (@MoneyMikeAshley) October 13, 2020

neesy111 · « **Reply #23 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 08:17:55 PM »

He's going to get banned again for that.

Ikon · « **Reply #24 on:** Tuesday 13 October 2020, 08:19:19 PM »

Quote from: neesy111 on Tuesday 13 October 2020, 08:17:55 PM

He's going to get banned again for that.

Worth it

Also, NO! Gary we don't f***ing need to negotiate with the top 6. What an idiot!