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Offline Stal

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22150 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:44:47 AM »
Some Scottish MP trying his best to scupper the deal.

Online Montey

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22151 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:45:58 AM »
Masters' response to Elliot's questioning was entirely appropriate and changes nothing.

My main takeaway from that exchange was that Elliot at least put the fans on Masters' radar, highlighting that it's the fans that are suffering at the moment.
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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22152 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:47:43 AM »
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Offline The Prophet

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22154 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:48:53 AM »
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I don't see how you can argue with that; painful though it is, fans have no right to know the ins and outs of the process; it's almost certainly in everybody's interests that this extremely contentious matter is dealt with in the strictest confidentiality.

I think we're conflating 'deserving to know what's going on' with 'deserving to be rid of Mike Ashley'. We're only aching to know the finer details of this colossal deal because we happen to have a preference regarding the outcome. In a business sense though, us fans are totally independent to the process. I also think that, assuming the decision is currently on a knife-edge: if the PL is susceptible to any pressure from the wider public (which I doubt they are), it'll nudge them into making the easiest of the two decisions - which wouldn't necessarily be to approve it.

I think we just need to collectively accept that we could still be here in several months' time and get used to the idea that we need to be patient. If you offered me a new regime and a return to being a fan of an ambitious footballing entity - but with the caveat that I'd have to wait until Christmas for it to come to pass - I would still snap your hands off.

Good post.
It's basically what gives us the upper hand even in times of crisis. "Cannit wait man, we're gonna batter them, hope it's 4 or 5 nil, fancy such and such for a hat trick, we're going got Europe, they're a yo-yo team" Then five minutes into the game "s***, why haven't we scored? They've had a shot! Why aren't we all over them? How come there are two teams in the game? f***, what if we don't win? f***s SAKE CLEAR IT SHOOT TACKLE HIM BOO! What if we lose, PANIC PANIC BRUCE MAN WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHY DID HE MISS THAT SHOT, IS HE A MAG?! IT'S BECAUSE BRUCE IS A MAG! f*** OFF STEWARD ARE YOU A f***ing MAG? BET ALL THESE COPPERS ARE MAGS, AND THE MEDIA! THE REF'S A f***ing MAG! AM I A MAG?! Wait, blacked out for a second there. Ah, f***, we've lost again."

Offline reefatoon

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22155 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:49:30 AM »
Some Scottish MP trying his best to scupper the deal.

 :lol: He really is.  Looks like he is pissing Masters off too with his relentless questioning.

Offline Butcher

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« Reply #22156 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:51:11 AM »
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Offline Greg

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22157 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:52:23 AM »
The NUST letter on behalf of their members might have no impact either, in fact it probably will not, but it was a very strong point by point legal rebuttal of some of the nonsense claims by Qatar re the WTO report and others that have written to the Premier League, undertaken by a specialist barrister from 3 Hare Court Chambers and was sent directly to Richard Masters by legal counsel.

Genuinely, what expertise or knowledge do you have to make that sort of assessment?

How can you be confident that it wasn't absolute drivel that immediately went into the shredder?

Bear in mind you can get a solicitor to put forward the case that 2+2=5 as long as you pay them for it (and I can't imagine the NUST are swimming in cash so I'm sure it was a quickie job from the brief).

We engaged specialist legal counsel from leading chambers in London, not some back street local solicitor with a practice on Durham Road. I have read the letter as I instructed the legal team on this and the letter is certainly presents compelling arguments - I deal with a lot of similar scenarios in my professional life but not about takeovers of football clubs so I am not going to sit here and say I am an expert in takeovers, if I was I would have written the letter myself.

Finance wise NUST is healthy with a strong bank balance.

Offline jonbobson

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22158 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:53:38 AM »
This MP trying to be all "cool" asking why Louis tomlinson failed the owners and directors test when his only crime is against music!

funny guy

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« Reply #22159 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:54:54 AM »
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Offline Butcher

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« Reply #22160 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:56:14 AM »
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Reckon that concludes the matter. Only a matter of time. :aww:

Offline David Edgar

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22161 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:56:47 AM »
Yeah, that seems really positive.

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22162 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:58:43 AM »
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Surely quoting something so specific isn't keeping it highly confidential ?
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Offline mouldy_uk

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22163 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:58:51 AM »
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Definitely positive, you don't say that unless something positive is in the pipeline  :aww:

Offline UncleBingo

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« Reply #22164 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 10:58:52 AM »
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Reckon that concludes the matter. Only a matter of time. :aww:

Agreed. Cat out of the bag there for me.

Offline mrmojorisin75

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« Reply #22165 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:00:33 AM »
Some Scottish MP trying his best to scupper the deal.

 :lol: He really is.  Looks like he is pissing Masters off too with his relentless questioning.

wouldn't be the same c*** that sent that letter by any chance?  he was an SNP MP part of the digital committees thing
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Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
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Or i'll drag you to your grave
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They'll betray you in my name

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Offline mrmojorisin75

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« Reply #22166 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:01:42 AM »
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Reckon that concludes the matter. Only a matter of time. :aww:

Agreed. Cat out of the bag there for me.

have SA said they'll allow prosecution of people in their courts?  cause if they don't then i could see that being a major issue based on that
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline Dokko

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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22167 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:02:13 AM »
Nearly 10.5k have signed that petition. Just shows this place is not a true reflection on the feelings of nufc twitter.

There you go.

Do their opinions not matter? Sure more people have signed that petition in less than a day than are signed up members to NUST.

Didn't say they didn't, but NUFC twitter is not even close to be representative of the fan base. Just ask anyone involved in any of the protest work be it Pardew, Ashley stuff, walk outs etc.

What's NUST got to do with it?

It’s a large enough group of people to be taken seriously And comparable in numbers to NUST, so should not dismissed or looked down upon. Some will also be members of NUST.

People on here have called it pathetic, for me looking down upon fellow NUFC fans for venting their frustration in a calm manner is way beyond pathetic.

I haven't.

But I haven't signed it as I think it's a little dangerous asking for a solution now - if people want the takeover then we simply have to wait until the Premier League approve it. There are clearly incredibly complex issues they are considering.

Pushing them to do it quicker - while unlikely to have any influence - if it did, would surely more likely result in a refusal and us being stuck with Ashley going forward?

The NUST letter on behalf of their members might have no impact either, in fact it probably will not, but it was a very strong point by point legal rebuttal of some of the nonsense claims by Qatar re the WTO report and others that have written to the Premier League, undertaken by a specialist barrister from 3 Hare Court Chambers and was sent directly to Richard Masters by legal counsel.

I haven’t signed it either, simply as I see no point in it. Those petitions don’t work, even for serious issues, so I don’t think it matters in terms of speeding things up, but clearly shows a united front of a group of supporters venting their frustrations in a better manner than we have done previously.

Again, for me won’t make a difference.

I’m all for the letter sent by NUST, I think it’s was a good reach out and not one done for the spotlight as others have done, backed up with not publishing the contents.

So all in I agree mainly with what you say there, the thing I’m not comfortable with is the dismissal of 10k supporters voices as twitter noise, it’s more than that and the number should be respected by all NUFC fans considering it’s not even 24 hours.

Ps, not sure how many voted in that poll where 97% wanted the takeover, but I’m sure it was also hosted on Twitter (might be wrong)

Pps...just think what 5 t***s with a coffin can do for your fans image a decade on, a petition is a good place to keep all that energy focused in one spot.  :lol:

Offline godzilla

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« Reply #22168 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:03:39 AM »
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Surely quoting something so specific isn't keeping it highly confidential ?

Aye every time he has been interviewed he keeps saying confidential and then says something which goes against that. Mind what he did say looked a positive indication it seems.

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« Reply #22169 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:13:05 AM »
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Surely quoting something so specific isn't keeping it highly confidential ?

Aye every time he has been interviewed he keeps saying confidential and then says something which goes against that. Mind what he did say looked a positive indication it seems.


This is just a guy who's been heavily briefed by lawyers about what he can and cannot say without breaking any agreements. There is strong hints in there that they've asked KSA to sort all the piracy stuff, but he doesn't actually confirm or deny anything, other than that.

Biggest thing to take from it, is that there is no outright 'no' yet. Interestingly/amusingly nothing on Amnesty or the Cenig woman

Offline Judge Holden

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« Reply #22170 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:14:20 AM »
Well this has turned.



What's happened like?

Offline junkhead

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« Reply #22171 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:15:27 AM »
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Reckon that concludes the matter. Only a matter of time. :aww:

Agreed. Cat out of the bag there for me.

I agree with the positive sentiments, although Masters was very professional throughout and gave away nothing.

Only stumbling block is that traditionally KSA are very good in promising things and not delivering. Will they really allow independent foreign monitoring on IP rights? That's something they just don't do.. whether it's on human rights topics, oil reserves, media freedom, terrorist links or any other internal Saudi matter. Somehow I can't see BeIN's lawyers being welcomed with open arms in Riyadh.

Still, they'll get the PL's approval one way or another. It will probably take a couple more months though.
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Re: Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure
« Reply #22172 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:15:31 AM »
But he hasn’t commented on the takeover. The Saudi/Bein thing was there before and is a separate matter, although it clearly affects the proposed transfer. He can talk about it because it’s a separate legal matter.

My hunch would be they are waiting on KSA to give some water right assurances (On paper) of access to their court system if such a thing like BeoutQ were to pop up again.

Once that’s in place, the takeover will happen.

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« Reply #22173 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:17:31 AM »
Just conclude it, masters. Ffs.
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« Reply #22174 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 11:17:56 AM »
The human rights record was soon off the table once money from tv rights came in the picture
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