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Does it matter where the money comes from?

Yes
22 (35.5%)
No
40 (64.5%)

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Online loki679

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:02:20 AM »
If you take this kind of thing to it’s logical conclusion, you’re going to have to stop using petrol, diesel and oil for your cars.

Tough one no doubt but IF this takeover actually happens I reckon I could bury my head in the sand for a bit of joy watching my football team again.

Ugh, I feel dirty saying that.

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Offline neesy111

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:11:49 AM »
Under that logic then supporting NUFC is a matter of modern day living.  Those comparisons are ridiculous.

Offline gdm

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:13:00 AM »
It feels like that would be taking on some kind of 2nd or 3rd level of indirect responsibility and I've always rejected notions like that. None of their atrocious acts were done in the name of Newcastle United or to further their interest in the club.

There's a kind of nihilism about it all anyway, given my absolute inability to change what they're doing or planning on doing. Might as well enjoy my club for the first time in 10 years.

My exact thoughts on it

Offline Thomson Mouse

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:13:33 AM »
Would someone be able to explain MBS’s exact links to the wealth fund that would funding the club please?
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Offline TRon

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:14:59 AM »
Massively uncomfortable with this. Think I’ll be out.

If it gets scuppered. I think I'll be out. I'll join with the other fairweather fans and support teams like Man City and Arsenal instead who only have mild links with undesirable regimes.

The rest of you please continue to enjoy Ashley and Richard Keys smug satisfaction.

Offline Nobody

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:15:24 AM »
You use things which directly enrich Saudi Arabia every day yet there's not a peep about them, why is our football club any different?

I'll continue supporting Newcastle whoever owns it, it's my club and my city.  Fair enough, it'd be nice if a multi-billionaire buddhist monk decided to buy us but at the end of the day it's a football club, not a political party.  You can be against the actions of the Saudi government and still support NUFC, the place to fight that fight is at the ballot box, not the terraces.
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Offline Unbelievable!

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:16:28 AM »
I think I’m with the majority so far on this thread, in that I feel uneasy about it IF it were to happen, but it wouldn’t stop me supporting the club and for the first time in 12 years it could actually try to be the best it can be, which I’m all for. As others have said, it’s perfectly possible to support the club and enjoy any good football and success it brings whilst at the same time actively disliking the owner and the things they do away from the club. I hate what NUFC has become under Ashley, and will judge any new ownership on their plans for the club first and foremost. Supporting this club, even if owned by the Saudis, is in no way the same thing as condoning or supporting all the acts of its owners in their other endeavors.

Offline reefatoon

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:20:27 AM »
A few years down the line and we are in the champions league final. As if anybody won’t be watching man because of who the owners are. If success is brought in, everyone will get caught up in it.

Offline RS

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:25:06 AM »
If it wasn’t fake news I’d say bring it on.  It’s incredibly funny but a piece of astute PR that Ashley has invented someone potentially morally worse than himself to buy the club so that in a weeks time people go “close call, you know, Mikes not that bad after all”. He’s kept us clear of the bad billionaires and gave us free tickets. Ledge!
Look at the responses on here. It’s done it’s job!

He’s here forever remember!
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Offline The Little Waster

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:53:35 AM »
So , support the team not the head chopping regime ?
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Offline HawK

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:56:57 AM »
For me, Ashley gone at any cost. Then whatever comes after I'll worry about later. I told the missus last night that if my family somehow died in an accident and I survived, I'd probably take one for the team due to the level of my hatred and loathing of the man.

Offline Marmoset

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:12:19 AM »
So , support the team not the head chopping regime ?

 :lol:  :lol:

Offline Montey

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:20:06 AM »
I normally, in life, am pretty conservative and consequently take a "better the devil you know" approach to change.  But, sometimes a devil is such a see-you-next-Tuesday that I'd rather have a go with a new devil.
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Offline Mag_in_NZ

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:28:57 AM »
I have come to stage where anything is better than what we have....in 10 years KSA may have improved, no one knows......in 10 years Ashley will still be a c—t who will still be sucking us dry
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Offline Dokko

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:28:59 AM »
What if this venture actually helps loosen some of those laws and pulls SA more in line with the western world?

Offline Tyne81

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:29:37 AM »
I personally couldn't give a s***. We are a consumer and materialistic environment indulging in products, making money from and turning blind eyes to all sorts of shithousery practices. Look at other big clubs and where the money comes from. Look at how much we have paid the likes of Sky and such to put football where it currently is. We drive the forces and it's not letting up so either jump on board or find a new sport whilst living like a vegan caveman.

Offline Smal

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:52:58 AM »
Comparing it to buying fuel for your car is daft. It’s not the same at all.

Saudi investment in sport is purely political. They do it to improve their global reputation whilst they continue to commit atrocities and violate basic human rights. It’s pure sportswashing and I can’t support a club that is part of that.

Mike Ashley’s practices might be bad, but they aren’t a scratch on the Saudis. I desperately want rid of him, but not if this is the answer.

Offline Boo Boy

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:57:52 AM »
 They could behead people live on pay per view on the pitch as long as we are winning the quadruple every season. anyone who thinks differently is blatently lying to themselves.
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Offline Northerngimp

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:02:46 AM »
If this group buy the club and people have an issue with it then stay away, if it doesn't bother you then go to the games and enjoy it. 

Its really straight forward.


Offline Si

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:07:03 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events

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Offline Boo Boy

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:09:17 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
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Offline Si

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:13:10 AM »


f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

No car Boy,  torture, murder, war crimes aren't 'nowt' and using a club with a proud history to distract from this isn't something I'll be cheering.
Bearings Straight!

Offline neesy111

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:14:29 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

That comparison is f***ing ridiculous.

1) Oil comes from different resources, so you don't know where it's exactly come from.
2) Supporting NUFC is not essential, however for modern day living sadly we still need resources from oil.
2) It's the brutal regime that is the issue, that money could have come from gold or other resources and I still wouldn't want it.

Offline CFlan

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:16:26 AM »
I hate Mike Ashley because he’s holding back our club. I therefore hate sports direct and there policies. I’m not a good man and I don’t have too many morals, I was solely in the anti Saudi camp a week ago however if they make this club something it hasn’t been since I started following in ‘95 then I’m all in and I’ll worry about my conscience after.

Offline Ankles Bennett

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:17:07 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

If we are talking Human rights abuse, Guantanamo Bay anyone?  I assume none of the Saudi objectors holiday in the good old US of A?