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Offline Northerngimp

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:19:17 AM »
You can also add the prisoner rendition through Europe, to the UK and then on to USA.  All governments knew about it.

Offline Trewicks tash

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:20:05 AM »
If the fa find them fit and proper to own a premier league club then my conscience is clear and im all in

Online loki679

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:21:54 AM »
This is all part of 'Vision 2030' which aims to modernise the country and bring it more into line with the rest of the world though, right?
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Offline Ian W

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:22:42 AM »
I might be able to go to the odd game again, but I doubt I'll ever feel the same. It's not this situation specifically really, it's just the PL becoming a competition for who has the best billionaire, rather than a sport. 

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:22:56 AM »
People seem to be getting confused by degrees of separation or don't give a f***. There are no degrees of separation between the regime and this bid, there is a direct f***ing line. I'm not sure how that compares to going on holiday to America.
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Offline Unlucky Luque

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:25:36 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:25:40 AM »
Honestly don't know where I stand, fact is this mob are among the worst regimes in the world for human rights abuses and the fact he'd be using nufc for purely political purposes is troubling in the extreme but if Ashleys going to go I don't see who else buys it from him except one of this type c***. So in summary f*** modern football and for the love of god introduce the 50+1 rule

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« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:28:19 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

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Offline neesy111

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:28:32 AM »
This vision 2030 about modernising is because they have to if they want their economy to survive after the oil has ran out.  I don't believe an iota that they've started giving out more freedoms because they've suddenly found their moral compass.

Offline Unlucky Luque

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« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:31:56 AM »
The default for the last 10 year has been seething hatred and apathy towards the absolute parasite being Ashely. As abhorrent as the new potential ownership are, I would rather the onus be on me and my moral standing, I suppose there's some sort of control in that.

Online loki679

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« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:32:06 AM »
This vision 2030 about modernising is because they have to if they want their economy to survive after the oil has ran out.  I don't believe an iota that they've started giving out more freedoms because they've suddenly found their moral compass.

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He has led several successful reforms, which includes the removal of the ban on female drivers in June 2018,[12] and weakening the male-guardianship system in August 2019.[13] Other cultural developments under his reign include the first Saudi public concerts by a female singer, the first Saudi sports stadium to admit women,[14] an increased presence of women in the workforce,[15] and opening the country to international tourists by introducing an e-visa system which can now easily be issued for foreigners from the Internet to attend events and festivals.[16] His Vision 2030 program aims to diversify the Saudi economy through investment in non-oil sectors including technology and tourism. In 2016, he announced plans to list the shares of the state oil company Saudi Aramco.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman
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Offline Unlucky Luque

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:32:21 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine
Fair enough :lol:

Offline Jimburst

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:32:26 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.
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Offline NobbyOhNobby

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:39:53 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

If we are talking Human rights abuse, Guantanamo Bay anyone?  I assume none of the Saudi objectors holiday in the good old US of A?
The whole of the USA aren't responsible for that though, are they.

I think the point you - and a lot of people on here - are missing, is that this isn't just a bloke from Saudi Arabia. This is the bloke who runs Saudi Arabia. This is the bloke who orders the airstrikes on hospitals in Yemen, who orders the murder of journalists, who has still not pardoned those women who are imprisoned for campaigning to be able to drive cars, who will be directly using us in a way to say "hey world, Saudi Arabia is great! Just look at our new tool of Saudi propaganda - Newcastle United!" We'll be going from advertising s*** sportswear, to advertising a horrendous, murderous regime.

Obviously I want Ashley gone. I hate him and hate what he's done to the club. But it feels like we'd be lurching from one extreme to the other. Except we'd be going from extreme b******, to extreme murdering, torturing b******

Offline Jimburst

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Re: Success at what cost?
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:41:19 AM »
I'm incredibly conflicted. I've protested plenty of times over the years and am currently in exile from the club, I don't think I've been to a match in 5 years. I f***ing hate Mike Ashley and what he's done to our club, but these c***s are something even worse.

It's hard because you can want your club back desperately to the point of taking anyone (even a barbaric regime) but still hate the people who are going to save your club. Is it too much to ask to just have a club that competes as a sporting institution? I don't want my club to be a placeholder for Sports Direct advertising, but I also don't want this wonderful club to be some grotesque geopolitical plaything for the number 1 w*****s in the middle-east.

All this is before even thinking about whether you actually want to be another Man City? No one respects them, their achievements and history besmirched by billions of pounds unfairly gained... or you want to be Leicester? Who everyone loves and undoubtedly have a better experience as fans.
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Offline Wullie

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« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:42:12 AM »
Lads it's utter bollocks. I've not seen this many arguments over a fairytale since the Christianity thread was popular.
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Offline Hhtoon

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« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:42:31 AM »
We trade with them in both imports and exports so our economy certainly benefits from our relationship with them. Seems odd to me to use their funding of a football club as a line in the sand, but respect the fact that this is probably a more direct line in to our own personal situations, rather than the funds/goods we receive being filtered down.

Offline Ian W

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« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:42:58 AM »
Lads it's utter bollocks. I've not seen this many arguments over a fairytale since the Christianity thread was popular.

:lol:

Sure, just talking about the principle.

Offline Jimburst

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« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:44:51 AM »
Then on the other hand, do I believe that 'sportswashing' as it has become known, is actually a powerful propaganda tool? If I think it is fairly benign as part of this regime, then maybe I'm not so worried about the real world consequences of this? I'll still hate to be associated with hospital bombers, like.
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Offline Ian W

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« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:46:25 AM »
Then on the other hand, do I believe that 'sportswashing' as it has become known, is actually a powerful propaganda tool? If I think it is fairly benign as part of this regime, then maybe I'm not so worried about the real world consequences of this? I'll still hate to be associated with hospital bombers, like.

I guess it makes people look good at their members clubs and in the corridors of power, not sure it affects general public perception that much.

I mean, we had a self-made British billionaire already, who's pretty much the perfect owner on paper. If you didn't know who he was.

Offline jdckelly

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« Reply #70 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:52:23 AM »
Then on the other hand, do I believe that 'sportswashing' as it has become known, is actually a powerful propaganda tool? If I think it is fairly benign as part of this regime, then maybe I'm not so worried about the real world consequences of this? I'll still hate to be associated with hospital bombers, like.
well the main two examples are PSG/World Cup with Qatar which has had a fair bit of attention and negative media and Man City with United Arab Emirates which I see far less spotlight on that countrys failings. Honestly though most of the complaints are from the likes of Bayern, Barca, Real etc complaining its not fair that someone has a money advantage over them rather than human rights etc so maybe its working?

Offline George Bailey

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« Reply #71 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:53:33 AM »
Lads it's utter bollocks. I've not seen this many arguments over a fairytale since the Christianity thread was popular.
Well said Wullie.

It ain't happening so all the moralising, debating, discussing is moot. The seller has zero intention of selling, end of.
May well be lots of interest (some even genuine) but if one party don't want to engage then it is all moot.

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Offline ManDoon

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« Reply #72 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:59:28 AM »
It’s massively hypocritical of me given my political leanings, but I’d prob turn a blind eye to it. I try to take a good moral standpoint in life and it’s tiring a lot of the time, football is one of the only enjoyable things to me in life, and when I’ve felt s*** it’s been a constant, I don’t think I could deny myself the enjoyment. Which is ultimately selfish but as a great mind once said “it is what it is”
:lol: I dunno. I'm starting to think it was us.
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« Reply #73 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:04:03 AM »
I'm looking at it this way; the Saudis have wealth the level of which is going to be needed to get rid of Ashley. They could buy us and then get bored, have a change of direction in their planning or whatever, but that being the case sale attempts would be genuine and they'd treat the club as a legitimate concern.

Ashley has to go and the two options seem to be someone rich meets the price or we freefall down the divisions hoping he calls it a day.

First option looks the best to me.
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« Reply #74 on: Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:08:55 AM »
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?
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