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Offline Disco

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Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:23:50 PM »
Absolutely f***ing shocking.

Once more a town, club, supporters and wider populace have to deal with the criminal mis-management of a charlatan ably abetted by the authorities who couldn't give a s*** as long as they’re getting paid.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:26:55 PM »
f***ing disgrace, the EFL and FA are not fit for purpose. All football fans should be protesting and making a stand at the weekend.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:27:14 PM »
Utter joke. Both the PL and the EFL really couldn't give a s*** who owns any club.
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:27:21 PM »
Considering the amount of administrations they have happened over the last 2 decades, I'm surprised more clubs haven't went out of business.


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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:31:02 PM »
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:35:01 PM »
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.

Mismangement, shoddy ownership etc.  They probably should have been given more time, but their problems have been known for over 6 months now.

It's awful for fans, town, players and staff of Bury, but imo too many clubs have been getting away with shambolic management for too long and exploiting the insolvency laws.  More regulation etc is needed and authorities need to set-up funds for stafff etc.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:39:02 PM »
:( f***
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:39:49 PM »
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.

From what I can gather the owner bought them for a quid, invested money that wasn’t there to go up to get a better price and tried to sell but couldn’t get rid. An owner who has a history of running things into the ground.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:40:02 PM »
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.

That's basically it. Shoddy ownership has seen them pay players way above what they should be in the hope of securing promotion. Money they don't really have.

Andy Holt, the Accrington chairman, has been very vocal about it. He acknowledges the owners are partly to blame but he's accused the EFL of doing f*** all to help - sitting back and letting it happen rather than send in a team of proper football administrators to try and rectify things.
Had a few dances off her when I've been in Blue velvet with friends. She's one of the ones who will push her fanny in your face, usually I like that but hers smells f***ing rotten. Only had dances off her because she agreed to take less money for the dances when me and my mate said we were skint.

I was a pure creep when I was a kid tbf. Used to spunk in deoderant can lids too

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:41:02 PM »
Considering the amount of administrations they have happened over the last 2 decades, I'm surprised more clubs haven't went out of business.



Most clubs in the EFL are a f***ing mess once owner cash (at their whim which isn’t stable) is taken away. PL fall out.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:44:13 PM »
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Had a few dances off her when I've been in Blue velvet with friends. She's one of the ones who will push her fanny in your face, usually I like that but hers smells f***ing rotten. Only had dances off her because she agreed to take less money for the dances when me and my mate said we were skint.

I was a pure creep when I was a kid tbf. Used to spunk in deoderant can lids too

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:45:00 PM »
Of course "they've" brought it on "themselves" - but the question English football now faces is: who are "they"? Bury FC and the rogue who happens to own them should not be one and the same but because the FA have taken their eye off the ball, they now are, just like Newcastle United and Mike Ashley are one and the same.

Instead of ensuring that football clubs are protected organisations, valuable to communities, the game in this country has been sold to the highest bidder. Anyone who wants a club and has enough money can have one, regardless of motive or intention. We'll likely see a lot more of this as the Chinese conglomerates that own half the Championship get bored of finishing 14th and the Del Boy businessmen who own clubs further down the pyramid realise there's less and less money in it as more kids grow up interested only in the Premier League and the Champions League.
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:46:12 PM »

Who'd have thought that a membership organisation would fail to enforce significant regulation of its own members?
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:48:39 PM »
David Conn wrote this in the Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit

This paragraph had me shaking my head in disbelief:

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At Bury itself, loans now up to £3.7m, secured on Gigg Lane, were taken from an outfit called Capital Bridging Finance Solutions, based in Crosby, with 40% commissions paid to still-unnamed third parties as introduction fees. The publicly filed documents state that Capital in turn mortgaged Bury’s ground to a company registered in Malta, whose own lenders for the deal were eight companies domiciled in the offshore tax haven of the British Virgin Islands. Perhaps you have to know and have been to Gigg Lane, a football haven amid terraced streets just off Manchester Road, to feel in your guts the ludicrous nature of such house-of-cards economics.
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:50:46 PM »
Of course "they've" brought it on "themselves" - but the question English football now faces is: who are "they"? Bury FC and the rogue who happens to own them should not be one and the same but because the FA have taken their eye off the ball, they now are, just like Newcastle United and Mike Ashley are one and the same.

Instead of ensuring that football clubs are protected organisations, valuable to communities, the game in this country has been sold to the highest bidder. Anyone who wants a club and has enough money can have one, regardless of motive or intention. We'll likely see a lot more of this as the Chinese conglomerates that own half the Championship get bored of finishing 14th and the Del Boy businessmen who own clubs further down the pyramid realise there's less and less money in it as more kids grow up interested only in the Premier League and the Champions League.

It’s the country in a current nutshell, is the person running it making money?

Yes - good, ignore all else
No - why should I give a f***, not my problem

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:56:18 PM »
The entire EFL board should be resigning in disgrace over this, letting a complete conman take over without any checks on him and they wonder what went wrong 

Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:07:51 AM »
David Conn wrote this in the Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit

This paragraph had me shaking my head in disbelief:

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At Bury itself, loans now up to £3.7m, secured on Gigg Lane, were taken from an outfit called Capital Bridging Finance Solutions, based in Crosby, with 40% commissions paid to still-unnamed third parties as introduction fees. The publicly filed documents state that Capital in turn mortgaged Bury’s ground to a company registered in Malta, whose own lenders for the deal were eight companies domiciled in the offshore tax haven of the British Virgin Islands. Perhaps you have to know and have been to Gigg Lane, a football haven amid terraced streets just off Manchester Road, to feel in your guts the ludicrous nature of such house-of-cards economics.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:12:16 AM »
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

Offline ToonArmy1892

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:23:22 AM »
What happens to them now?

Offline Wullie

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:26:23 AM »
What happens to them now?

Liquidation I think.
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:39:48 AM »
f***ing disgraceful beyond belief.

Shame on everyone involved. The suits at the top of the FA are not worthy of their positions. f*** them all. They all have blood on their hands.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:43:35 AM »
Surely there should be some wages to revenue threshold which you can't pass in The Football League
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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:50:21 AM »
I don't believe in other clubs gifting funds to rescue another club, but - just as a demonstration of the disparity in finances - if every Premier League club contributed 0.0019% of their total 'winnings' from the end of last season, Bury would be more than comfortably in the clear. With the obscene money sloshing around the game, how can this happen? Bury had attendances between ~4-7k all last season. Now it'll be never again.

Ah well, at least SSN got to sensationalise the gripping drama with a big clock and a daft mug ringing the doomsday bell.

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:13:40 AM »
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:32:15 AM »
I don't believe in other clubs gifting funds to rescue another club, but - just as a demonstration of the disparity in finances - if every Premier League club contributed 0.0019% of their total 'winnings' from the end of last season, Bury would be more than comfortably in the clear. With the obscene money sloshing around the game, how can this happen? Bury had attendances between ~4-7k all last season. Now it'll be never again.

Ah well, at least SSN got to sensationalise the gripping drama with a big clock and a daft mug ringing the doomsday bell.

I *believe* clubs can't just give money to other clubs to bail it out willy nilly - seen it mentioned a couple of times.

But there would a million and one loopholes no doubt, buy the groundsmans rake for 100k.
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