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Offline DJ_NUFC

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:00:08 pm »
In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want.

correct, but they chose not to give a f*** and here we are

they have a captive audience so there's no benefit in them doing anything to protect the clubs, i don't think the brand thing applies tbph

Agreed. I think these administrators are suits with really soft stomachs, and if all fans from all teams begin protesting about needing a change, they’ll fold like a pack of cards and implement something at least. These aren’t thick skinned politicians. In my opinion anyway.

Offline Chicane

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:14:04 pm »
Unfortunately 99% of football fans in this country don't give a toss about anything outside the PL. They're PL fans. Just look at some (actually, nearly all) of the comments on the tweets posted by Sky related to this. All just taking the p*ss out of the Bury fans, mock sympathy etc. They seem to think this is funny.

Offline Wullie

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« Reply #52 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:15:58 pm »
I think your numbers are somewhat off. 99%? Come on.
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Offline Chicane

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:18:59 pm »
Aye maybe that's a bit exaggerated  :lol:

But the majority for sure. Or maybe it's just the "vocal" twitter mongs skewing my perspective. But man, reading the responses on there would certainly make you believe that. A club literally wiped out by an asshole owner who doesn't give a f***, and the replies are all "hahaha shave your eyebrows m8".

Offline Wullie

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« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:27:02 pm »
Probably the same f***ing whoppers who send racist abuse to every black player who misses/scores/wins/gives away a penalty.
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:40:05 pm »
Unfortunately 99% of football fans in this country don't give a toss about anything outside the PL. They're PL fans. Just look at some (actually, nearly all) of the comments on the tweets posted by Sky related to this. All just taking the p*ss out of the Bury fans, mock sympathy etc. They seem to think this is funny.

tell you what, i left BT Sports on the other night and they played the highlights from the vanarama league somethignorother and it looked totally f***ing class, some of the goals were outrageously good for the level

briefly considered going but i just don't have any connection to any of the teams down there :(
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Offline ManDoon

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:06:06 pm »
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.

:lol: I dunno. I'm starting to think it was us.
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Offline Scoreboard82

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:12:30 pm »
Unfortunately 99% of football fans in this country don't give a toss about anything outside the PL. They're PL fans. Just look at some (actually, nearly all) of the comments on the tweets posted by Sky related to this. All just taking the p*ss out of the Bury fans, mock sympathy etc. They seem to think this is funny.

tell you what, i left BT Sports on the other night and they played the highlights from the vanarama league somethignorother and it looked totally f***ing class, some of the goals were outrageously good for the level

briefly considered going but i just don't have any connection to any of the teams down there :(
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:44:20 pm »
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

i was honestly shocked by the standard and consistency of the goals during the highlights i watched, was incredible :lol:
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline DJ_NUFC

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:45:22 pm »
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.

The King of bad faith arguments and uncontrollable smugness strikes again. Yes, yes that is what I want, dude. You got me.

Offline Stifleaay

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:53:16 pm »
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.
In all fairness, the MLS is different. When Chiva’s had troubles they took ownership of the club back (they technically owned it in anyway), and rebranded the club again and it stayed within LA. Now they are LAFC.

Offline Wullie

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:53:48 pm »
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

i was honestly shocked by the standard and consistency of the goals during the highlights i watched, was incredible :lol:

Hartlepool and Harrogate both quite close to you aren't they?
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Offline DJ_NUFC

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:24:41 pm »
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.
In all fairness, the MLS is different. When Chiva’s had troubles they took ownership of the club back (they technically owned it in anyway), and rebranded the club again and it stayed within LA. Now they are LAFC.

We don't even need wholesale changes in England, I think simply applying existing statutes and creating some new basic ones, like owners having some sort of a fiduciary duty to the institution, the league and fans, would go some way in rectifying these issues. Heck, they won't even need to do any "fit and proper" tests if they simply have a set of rules every owner must follow. Then you can be Kim Jong Un if you want, as long as you follow the rules and don't destroy a club / siphon off money to off-shore accounts / treat own fans with contempt, you're welcome to the party.

Offline TheNE40

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #63 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:45:12 pm »
Sky Sports now reporting that an international consortia has £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC and is pleading with the EFL to rescind their explusion…

This may not be over..

Offline TBG

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:46:25 pm »
STAY TUNED

Offline Stifleaay

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #65 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:54:49 pm »
Sky Sports now reporting that an international consortia has £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC and is pleading with the EFL to rescind their explusion…

This may not be over..
Even if it doesn’t go through, the EFL should only give a suspension of their membership. They should give them until say February for a takeover to happen with the team omitted from playing this season. If nothing can be done before then they should sit out next season and be given a further year to find a solution. If nothing can be done still, then they should take the drastic action.

In all seriousness though, the EFL will be getting decent gate receipts for matches in the EFL Cup this week. Alongside the other money they have hoovered it. It wouldn’t make a dent in their finances for them to give the Bury supporters trust some money to help them buy the club.
Of course they would rather do f*** all and keep the money to themselves.

Offline Stifleaay

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #66 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:58:06 pm »
Sky Sports now reporting that an international consortia has £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC and is pleading with the EFL to rescind their explusion…

This may not be over..
RESET THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK!!!!!




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Offline Wilson

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #67 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 06:39:53 pm »
Good to see Bolton haven't suffered the same fate.

Offline Stifleaay

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 28 August 2019, 06:45:59 pm »
Bolton saved, that’s a good for them.
The EFL really needs to step in and save Bury here.

Offline nufcjb

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #69 on: Thursday 29 August 2019, 02:51:30 am »
That Bolton takeover was fast in the end. Lucky they didn't have fat Mike or midget Charnley working through the night to get it done

Offline Yorkie

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« Reply #70 on: Thursday 29 August 2019, 07:55:47 am »
Fantastic discussion about this whole sorry episode on this week's Set Piece Menu podcast.

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 29 August 2019, 08:48:58 am »
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

i was honestly shocked by the standard and consistency of the goals during the highlights i watched, was incredible :lol:

Hartlepool and Harrogate both quite close to you aren't they?

aye, hartlepool closer, i just don't know if i could go and follow another team tbh :undecided:
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline Conjo

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« Reply #72 on: Thursday 29 August 2019, 09:08:23 am »
I don't fully understand the Bolton and Bury situation.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/28/bolton-wanderers-football-ventures-takeover

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Sadly Mr Anderson used his position as a secured creditor to hamper and frustrate any deal that did not benefit him or suit his purposes.

How can an owner be a secured creditor and hold his own company hostage like that? I understand similar arrangement existed for the Bury owner Dale as well? Sounds illegal.
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 29 August 2019, 09:34:14 am »
I don't fully understand the Bolton and Bury situation.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/28/bolton-wanderers-football-ventures-takeover

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Sadly Mr Anderson used his position as a secured creditor to hamper and frustrate any deal that did not benefit him or suit his purposes.

How can an owner be a secured creditor and hold his own company hostage like that? I understand similar arrangement existed for the Bury owner Dale as well? Sounds illegal.

this is england, they're not poor so they can do whatever the f*** they want basically
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire

Offline Paully

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Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
« Reply #74 on: Thursday 29 August 2019, 09:46:48 am »
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