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Offline Shearergol

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3375 on: Monday 12 October 2020, 12:10:30 PM »
:lol:

You people are actually stalking this man on social media, looking at and talking about his kids. You are sickos.

I try to avoid anything to do with him other than this thread tbf


Offline sadnesstan

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« Reply #3377 on: Friday 16 October 2020, 01:08:24 PM »
Really hope the lad can make a go of it. There are more than enough dickheads out there to wish ill upon, he seems like a decent lad.

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« Reply #3378 on: Friday 16 October 2020, 01:50:17 PM »

Nice to hear from him. still can feel some of the snideness of Edwards coming through, though.





How does it feel to be a £40 million club-record signing, a striker handed Newcastle United’s most iconic shirt number, who scores just two league goals and struggles so badly in your first season that nobody can understand why you were signed?

How do you cope with hearing thousands of groans when you miss yet another chance? How do you handle the risk of ridicule that comes every time you post on social media, and how do you deal with being described as one of the Premier League’s worst ever signings?

Joelinton knows, which makes it all the more impressive that he is willing to speak publicly about it.

Throughout all his personal ordeal, Joelinton has never given up; never shirked or hidden. He has not complained once about the criticism or spiteful abuse he has received. He has suffered and endured but has “never regretted signing for Newcastle”.

“This feels like a new start,” Joelinton tells The Telegraph, his muscular frame filling the screen as we talk, through an interpreter, on Zoom. “I sort of want to forget about last season, it wasn’t the best. But I am happy, on and off the pitch. I am feeling confident, too. I’ve been playing well. I have scored some goals [against Morecambe] and I have helped the team get some wins. I want to keep growing, developing and learning. If I am here with confidence, it will help the team be successful. The whole team helped me get through the tough times. It wasn’t just my team-mates, it was the coaching staff, the whole club really. They were always alongside me, they believed in me, and they provided me with the support I needed not to buckle, the support to keep going.

“My family are always alongside me. Difficulties arise in football – not just in football, but in life and in work. I never gave up. I continued to believe in myself, I continued to work. I have confidence in my potential because I would not have come here if I did not show my true ability previously.”

Joelinton in action with Manchester City's Bernardo Silva and Raheem Sterling
Joelinton takes on Manchester City in the Champions League in 2018 during his breakthrough season with Hoffenheim CREDIT:  REUTERS/Darren Staples
The striker who cannot score goals is like the dancer who forgets a routine on stage, the rugby player who keeps dropping the ball, the person who forgets to bring their wallet on a night out. They are singled out, blamed and ostracised.

Some of the abuse directed at Joelinton has, even by modern standards, been particularly vicious. Yet he smiles when it is brought up. Incredibly, there is no bitterness or resentment, only empathy and understanding. “Football is passion and love and when you are dealing with these feelings it is difficult for people to hold on to their emotions,” he says. “I understand them a little in terms of their criticism, but as well as critics, I have received a lot of support and help.

“I am the first person to be very critical of myself, I demand a lot from myself and I could feel the same frustration as the fans.

“They way they express it, that is part of being a fan, good and bad. There is a lot of passion here [in Newcastle], but there is also love.

“I prefer to take the positives, of course, but it all helps me. I received a lot of lovely messages from fans too. I save those. My motivation hasn’t changed. Outside, around the city, I’ve always had very good interactions with the fans. They have always been very supportive. There has not been a single ugly episode or angry interaction. That shows what the fans of Newcastle are like.

“I get my resilience from my family, the way my parents raised me, brought me up and educated me. They taught me to never give up. It has taken a lot of hard work to get where I am, I have had to overcome a lot of difficulties to be here now.

“I know where I have come from. If there are problems and challenges, I will get over them. I have been like this since I was a child. It’s just the type of person I am.”

Joelinton was 23 when he arrived from German club Hoffenheim to fill Newcastle’s famous No 9 shirt, worn by Jackie Milburn, Malcolm Macdonald, Andy Cole, Les Ferdinand and Alan Shearer, among others. He should not have been given it because he is not a natural No 9, certainly not in an English sense. The Brazilian is more of a wide forward who has played most of his football behind the main striker. Manager Steve Bruce spotted that straight away, but with no other strikers fit enough to start – Andy Carroll and Dwight Gayle rarely were last term – he had to persevere.

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Joelinton scores against Tottenham in August 2019 CREDIT: Action Images via Reuters/John Sibley
Bruce is extremely protective of Joelinton and if you spend any time in the player’s company, you see why. He is a warm, generous, determined and intelligent young man.

“We have a great relationship,” says Joelinton when the manager’s name is mentioned. “Steve is a great guy and a great coach. He was a player previously, so he understands what we are all going through. He has always trusted me and he always defended me from the criticism. He is a great person.”

As to, it seems, is he. Joelinton became a father for the second time earlier this month, his daughter Julia, a Geordie born in the city’s RVI Hospital, while his three-year-old son, Neto, is his biggest fan and source of inspiration. “Only people who have become a father can explain it,” he says when asked what fatherhood had done for him. “It is so emotional, such happiness. It is different to anything else. I am ever so happy that I have two marvellous children in good health.

“It’s having someone who depends on you, who needs you to work, someone who needs you to provide for all your needs, who needs your love, who needs everything. Being a father really motivates me. My son loves football, he’s so happy when I score a goal. It motivates me more than anything, to get the win and take it back to him at home.”

Joelinton also initially struggled at Hoffenheim, sent out on loan to Rapid Vienna before helping the unfashionable Bundesliga side qualify for the Champions League. He came through a bad patch before and is convinced he will do so again.

“I left Brazil when I was very young and moved to a completely different country and culture,” he says. “It was a different playing style, different off the pitch and on it. I was on my own, I did not know how to speak German, and so I think that experience made me stronger.

“You overcome those difficulties. It was definitely a good experience. I learnt a lot. There were really hard moments, but I came through them. That has helped me at Newcastle.”

There are encouraging signs. Joelinton has played well in the past two Premier League games, against Tottenham and Burnley, and looks far more comfortable in his surroundings. “The last few games, I have been playing in a different position, a position I played many times for Hoffenheim,” he says. “It felt good, having two attacking players around me, I hope that continues. I hope I score a lot more goals.

“Callum Wilson coming in [from Bournemouth] is very welcome. He can play as the front striker and I like to drop into space behind. I want to score more goals, but I am looking forward to good, positive things ahead. I think it is bringing out the best in me.”

You would have to have a heart of stone as a Newcastle fan if you do not want things to work out for him.
john gibson in the chronicle this afternoon;
"John Carver has talked of playing two up top in an effort to score goals, tactically be more direct to grind out points, and just about every other possibility known to man or beast. They are the ramblings of a drowning desperado."

Offline sh74

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3379 on: Friday 16 October 2020, 08:11:44 PM »
He could quite easily have done a Marcelino last season but he didn't bottle it.

Offline Mr Logic

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3380 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:05:47 PM »
Thought I should bump this t*** up to the top of the board. Guy is never going to cut it in the premier league, doesn't have the urgency and desire, (and possibly the skill).

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Offline Newcastle Fan

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3381 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:06:43 PM »
With him and Hendrick on the side it sometimes felt like we were playing with 9 men.

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« Reply #3382 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:08:24 PM »
Guess if we're looking for someone to blame it's more than just him, although he was in the top 3 shittest out there.
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Offline Aiston

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3383 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:08:59 PM »
It's not like Joelinton can do anything when 95% of our attacks were going down the left, nowhere near him :lol:

Offline toon25

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3384 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:12:04 PM »
He’s not suited to this league, like. Irrespective of who’s managing him.

Offline huss9

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3385 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:12:44 PM »
He’s not suited to this league, like. Irrespective of who’s managing him.

does that excuse him jogging around with no sense of urgency?
john gibson in the chronicle this afternoon;
"John Carver has talked of playing two up top in an effort to score goals, tactically be more direct to grind out points, and just about every other possibility known to man or beast. They are the ramblings of a drowning desperado."

Offline KaKa

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3386 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:14:49 PM »
Very poor today. Invisible in fact.

No idea what his role was or what he was supposed to be doing or offering.

Coming off two of his better games playing off Wilson, with something to build on, of course he was then shunted out wide right by the touchline.

Amazing stuff.
I'll be watching the games, and I'll be talking about the teams. If it's a disaster it will be quite humorous and exactly what Mike Ashley deserves and to be honest I'll quite enjoy it. I am totally indifferent to results and the team success going forward.

Now, in certain games should the team do well, I will be happy more for the players, because I feel bad for them mostly, and I still want to see some of them do well. I will still feel comfortable giving the team credit when they do well. I just don't care about any outcome at this point and none of my money goes into anything to do with Mike Ashley's operations.

Offline Shearergol

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3387 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:15:20 PM »
Obsessed

Offline Doctor Zaius

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3388 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:16:47 PM »
Slowlinton

Offline TRon

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3389 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:16:54 PM »
He was poor today, but I have no idea why he was playing on the right. Being 6ft plus seemed to be the main criteria.

Offline Menace

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3390 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:18:04 PM »
He wasn't even our main problem today. Most of our players out there looked lost
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Offline tinoasprilla

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3391 on: Saturday 17 October 2020, 10:18:31 PM »
Agree why not play billy heedband against Shaw.  Again shows our manager is clueless

Offline GWN

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3392 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 10:13:41 AM »
He offers nothing , folk raving about him last 2 games , I failed to see anything from him that gave me hope.

Utter f***ing gash of a player
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Offline hakka

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3393 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 10:55:43 AM »
For £40m he doesn't display any unqiue abilities or high quality at anything that you'd expect for the fee.

Offline Aiston

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3394 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 10:57:50 AM »
For someone that didn't get the ball much, with us only attacking down ASM's side, he is really getting an amazing amount of criticism compared to others :lol:

Offline Sean

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3395 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 11:20:21 AM »
For someone that didn't get the ball much, with us only attacking down ASM's side, he is really getting an amazing amount of criticism compared to others :lol:

It's probably compounded by the fact that he has been roughly this poor for more than a season now  :lol:
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Offline GWN

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3396 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 11:37:24 AM »
For someone that didn't get the ball much, with us only attacking down ASM's side, he is really getting an amazing amount of criticism compared to others :lol:

To be fair for some time he’s been f***ing s****, it’s called patience running out
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Offline huss9

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3397 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 12:45:30 PM »
course we were playing down the left. how often did joelinton offer an out ball on the right.
just aimlessly jogging around.
john gibson in the chronicle this afternoon;
"John Carver has talked of playing two up top in an effort to score goals, tactically be more direct to grind out points, and just about every other possibility known to man or beast. They are the ramblings of a drowning desperado."

Offline KaKa

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3398 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 01:00:21 PM »
Bruce just amazes me man.

I mean Joe's had a run of games recently, if you wanted to change the formation, with no one playing off Wilson, then why not just rest the guy this game?

And if you did feel you had to play him for whatever reason, the way we lined up, you had to have him on the left and then ASM on the right.

Joe is never going to take people on and run with the ball like ASM, and so having him on the same side as Krafth who isn't going to bomb on made no sense. The right hand side was killed off with that decision.

If you had him on the left at least he could than use Lewis who makes overlapping runs all game. ASM is lethal either side and would have been fine on the right as he doesn't need support from Krafth.

Bruce has to be one of the all time worst. Didn't even think to have Joe and ASM switch sides at any point. It's farcical.
I'll be watching the games, and I'll be talking about the teams. If it's a disaster it will be quite humorous and exactly what Mike Ashley deserves and to be honest I'll quite enjoy it. I am totally indifferent to results and the team success going forward.

Now, in certain games should the team do well, I will be happy more for the players, because I feel bad for them mostly, and I still want to see some of them do well. I will still feel comfortable giving the team credit when they do well. I just don't care about any outcome at this point and none of my money goes into anything to do with Mike Ashley's operations.

Offline huss9

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Re: Joelinton
« Reply #3399 on: Sunday 18 October 2020, 01:04:13 PM »
Not a fan of joelinton, but yes - if you play its on the left inside forward position (i'm old).

so he may have been questioned about his starting line up, but not a single journalist has asked why he was suddenly switched to the right?
john gibson in the chronicle this afternoon;
"John Carver has talked of playing two up top in an effort to score goals, tactically be more direct to grind out points, and just about every other possibility known to man or beast. They are the ramblings of a drowning desperado."