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Offline xLiaaamx

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9200 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 03:35:10 PM »
I dont think he's very good, but I will say I didn't expect him to be as patient with ASM Joelinton and Almiron.

We've been better at attacking set pieces to be fair. I dont think Antia covered himself in glory with that last year.

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« Reply #9201 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 03:51:25 PM »
I dont think he's very good, but I will say I didn't expect him to be as patient with ASM Joelinton and Almiron.

We've been better at attacking set pieces to be fair. I dont think Antia covered himself in glory with that last year.

He has no other players to use.

Offline xLiaaamx

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« Reply #9202 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 03:52:22 PM »
I'd expected Atsu and Gayle to be starting by now.

Offline TRon

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« Reply #9203 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 04:03:05 PM »
I dont think he's very good, but I will say I didn't expect him to be as patient with ASM Joelinton and Almiron.

We've been better at attacking set pieces to be fair. I dont think Antia covered himself in glory with that last year.

Don't think he's been patient at all, he was kicking bottles and tearing his hair out with every missed chance yesterday. I think a manager has to be more supportive publicly.

Offline Minhosa

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« Reply #9204 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 05:00:53 PM »
Bruce needs to keep the Rafa formation and stop the pity me interviews.

I will say players seem to like him - team spirit doesn't look bad TBF.

Was the same under pardew.  Just wait until we go on a bad run with the current formation, then he won't have a clue.

Objectively, based on results, Bruce hasn't done too badly so far.  Give Rafa the same level of investment and, yeah, we'd probably be doing better.

I can't do it, man.  Losing Rafa and going to this semi inflated balloon of a man is indefensible.  Spending £70m or whatever it was to give him players rather than let a manager of Rafa's calibre spend it as he likes is indefensible.

I don't care how many wins he gets, how well we play, where we are in the league.

f*** Bruce.  f*** Ashley.  f*** NUFC until they're gone.

Totally agree.

Offline Disco

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9205 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 05:09:24 PM »
I'd expected Atsu and Gayle to be starting by now.

Nah, theyre not ‘his’ players.

Offline Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #9206 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 05:56:39 PM »
Was it Chelsea where Gayle came on and looked like a pub player for 5 minutes?
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Offline huss9

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9207 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 11:19:04 PM »
Was it Chelsea where Gayle came on and looked like a pub player for 5 minutes?

f*** me man, he's been injured for months and probabaly isnt even match fit.
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"John Carver has talked of playing two up top in an effort to score goals, tactically be more direct to grind out points, and just about every other possibility known to man or beast. They are the ramblings of a drowning desperado."

Offline Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #9208 on: Sunday 10 November 2019, 11:28:05 PM »
I’m saying that’s why he’s not being used or started yet. Clearly not fit (or good) enough to be playing at the minute. Though why he’s on the bench ahead of Muto is strange if he’s still not there yet.
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Offline Mattoon

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« Reply #9209 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 12:39:58 AM »
Just as Rafa didn't become a s**** manager overnight for a string of bad results last season, Bruce hasn't become a good one either. Credit where it's due, he's got this team singing a tune at the moment 2 points off 5th after almost a third of the season is decent.

However, I gave Pardew the benefit of the doubt after that 5th place finish and we all know how that ended. Even if this vein of form continues over the season and we finish top 10 Bruce will inevitably return to type and have us tumbling back down to earth.

As @loki679 said before, it's all meaningless anyway when the height of ambition is 17th, pointless with Ashley in charge, a top 10 finish will see a barren summer as we'll be deemed a good enough squad to carry on as we were.
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Offline Odear

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9210 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 01:09:14 AM »
I’ll never look at him in the same light as someone like Keegan or Rafa, but that’s on me. It doesn’t have to be that way with the club manager. In fact it makes life easier to be a bit more removed from things.

At this point in time it has to be said he’s doing ok. What’s impressed me is that we’ve picked up points when we haven’t clicked at all up front yet. It may never happen but if it ever does we could well end up having a decent season given that so many normally half decent or very good teams seem to be having stinkers this season (similar to what happened the year we finished 5th)

Going back to last year, some on here, possibly quite a few actually were slagging off the idea of having Brendan Rodgers as coach when he was linked. How wrong that sentiment turned out to be... basically at the end of the day, maybe we know far less about football managers than we think and we’ve been wrong about Bruce. It’s a possibility.

Who on here would admit to that if we do end up doing well this season? Or is he damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t?
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Offline KaKa

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9211 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 01:32:04 AM »
I dont think he's very good, but I will say I didn't expect him to be as patient with ASM Joelinton and Almiron.

We've been better at attacking set pieces to be fair. I dont think Antia covered himself in glory with that last year.

The club spent 'big money' on those three. He won't be allowed to drop them thank goodness.

He for sure would have been playing Atsu, Gayle and Ritchie as the front three otherwise.
I'll be watching the games, and I'll be talking about the teams. If it's a disaster it will be quite humorous and exactly what Mike Ashley deserves and to be honest I'll quite enjoy it. I am totally indifferent to results and the team success going forward.

Now, in certain games should the team do well, I will be happy more for the players, because I feel bad for them mostly, and I still want to see some of them do well. I will still feel comfortable giving the team credit when they do well. I just don't care about any outcome at this point and none of my money goes into anything to do with Mike Ashley's operations.

Offline Mattoon

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« Reply #9212 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 01:46:44 AM »
I’ll never look at him in the same light as someone like Keegan or Rafa, but that’s on me. It doesn’t have to be that way with the club manager. In fact it makes life easier to be a bit more removed from things.

At this point in time it has to be said he’s doing ok. What’s impressed me is that we’ve picked up points when we haven’t clicked at all up front yet. It may never happen but if it ever does we could well end up having a decent season given that so many normally half decent or very good teams seem to be having stinkers this season (similar to what happened the year we finished 5th)

Going back to last year, some on here, possibly quite a few actually were slagging off the idea of having Brendan Rodgers as coach when he was linked. How wrong that sentiment turned out to be... basically at the end of the day, maybe we know far less about football managers than we think and we’ve been wrong about Bruce. It’s a possibility.

Who on here would admit to that if we do end up doing well this season? Or is he damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t?

I think you answered yourself there, Bruce is managing NUFC during a perfect storm, just like Pardew did. Rating him based on one season is akin to saying Pardew was a good manager. Rafa, Keegan, Bobby all did it over several seasons. He would get any praise he deserved but I wouldn't change my opinion of him based on one season vs 300-odd previous games in the PL, consistency is the key.
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[What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.

Offline LV

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« Reply #9213 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 08:02:07 AM »
I’ll never look at him in the same light as someone like Keegan or Rafa, but that’s on me. It doesn’t have to be that way with the club manager. In fact it makes life easier to be a bit more removed from things.

At this point in time it has to be said he’s doing ok. What’s impressed me is that we’ve picked up points when we haven’t clicked at all up front yet. It may never happen but if it ever does we could well end up having a decent season given that so many normally half decent or very good teams seem to be having stinkers this season (similar to what happened the year we finished 5th)

Going back to last year, some on here, possibly quite a few actually were slagging off the idea of having Brendan Rodgers as coach when he was linked. How wrong that sentiment turned out to be... basically at the end of the day, maybe we know far less about football managers than we think and we’ve been wrong about Bruce. It’s a possibility.

Who on here would admit to that if we do end up doing well this season? Or is he damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t?

What does Midhat think?

Offline ManDoon

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« Reply #9214 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 08:45:36 AM »
We will turn back to s*** again, he defaulted to Rafa’s tactics when whatever it was he was trying to do failed miserably. CBS won’t score forever, and ASM is a wildcard that teams are scared off atm. Until they figure that out, which they will.
:lol: I dunno. I'm starting to think it was us.
Trump will do well man. Don't know why but I really feel this will be the case. Really hope it will come to be that way.

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Offline steve_69

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« Reply #9215 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 08:55:54 AM »
We will turn back to s*** again, he defaulted to Rafa’s tactics when whatever it was he was trying to do failed miserably. CBS won’t score forever, and ASM is a wildcard that teams are scared off atm. Until they figure that out, which they will.

I'm not sure about that you know! I mean they might show him towards goal because they know he'll miss  :lol: but he's that skillful, quick and elusive that i don't think it'll be that easy. Look at Zaha - most of the defenders in the PL have played against him plenty of times and he still skins them. Reece James got the better of him at the weekend but it doesn't happen often. Bournemouth have been good defensively this season and ASM absolutely took the p*ss. That combination of pace and skill is so hard to get to grips with

Offline Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #9216 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 12:17:47 PM »
We will turn back to s*** again, he defaulted to Rafa’s tactics when whatever it was he was trying to do failed miserably. CBS won’t score forever, and ASM is a wildcard that teams are scared off atm. Until they figure that out, which they will.

Although it was to the team’s benefit, I’ve never known a manager drop a system after 2 games, that he’d used consistently in his last couple of jobs like that before. It’s like he’s flying us on auto-pilot at the moment but there’ll be a point where he will have to steer us himself and that’s where it’ll go wrong.
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Offline Minhosa

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« Reply #9217 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 12:18:27 PM »
We will turn back to s*** again, he defaulted to Rafa’s tactics when whatever it was he was trying to do failed miserably. CBS won’t score forever, and ASM is a wildcard that teams are scared off atm. Until they figure that out, which they will.

Although it was to the team’s benefit, I’ve never known a manager drop a system after 2 games, that he’d used consistently in his last couple of jobs like that before. It’s like he’s flying us on auto-pilot at the moment but there’ll be a point where he will have to steer us himself and that’s where it’ll go wrong.

Totally agree and that's a great way of putting it.

Offline TRon

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« Reply #9218 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 02:17:25 PM »
I’ll never look at him in the same light as someone like Keegan or Rafa, but that’s on me. It doesn’t have to be that way with the club manager. In fact it makes life easier to be a bit more removed from things.

At this point in time it has to be said he’s doing ok. What’s impressed me is that we’ve picked up points when we haven’t clicked at all up front yet. It may never happen but if it ever does we could well end up having a decent season given that so many normally half decent or very good teams seem to be having stinkers this season (similar to what happened the year we finished 5th)

Going back to last year, some on here, possibly quite a few actually were slagging off the idea of having Brendan Rodgers as coach when he was linked. How wrong that sentiment turned out to be... basically at the end of the day, maybe we know far less about football managers than we think and we’ve been wrong about Bruce. It’s a possibility.

Who on here would admit to that if we do end up doing well this season? Or is he damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t?

I think you answered yourself there, Bruce is managing NUFC during a perfect storm, just like Pardew did. Rating him based on one season is akin to saying Pardew was a good manager. Rafa, Keegan, Bobby all did it over several seasons. He would get any praise he deserved but I wouldn't change my opinion of him based on one season vs 300-odd previous games in the PL, consistency is the key.

Talking about Pardew, even when we finished 5th I was critical because I couldn't see his input in the results. The team looked poor until injuries forced him to start the right players, and results took care of themself.

You don't need a season to see a manager has got organisation skills, if I start seeing something from Bruce which shows he's making a difference I'll give him credit. At the moment it seems to be Rafa's defence allied to some pacy forwards which are getting us the odd result. Every time he's tried to change to his own formation it's been a disaster.

Offline Ian W

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Re: Steve Bruce
« Reply #9219 on: Monday 11 November 2019, 02:26:51 PM »
Yeah, seems to be just St Maximan and Almiron that take some pressure off, combined with goals from set pieces by defenders.

Not that it will matter if he gets to 35+ points, since that's all we're aiming for.

Offline Gallowgate End

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« Reply #9220 on: Tuesday 12 November 2019, 12:28:45 PM »
The Chronicle running with the "I think there must be Newcastle fans out there who will be embarrassed with the way that they have treated Steve Bruce." story.

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Offline Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #9221 on: Tuesday 12 November 2019, 12:32:21 PM »
From Chris Sutton, the man who said Brendan Rodgers was daft to leave Celtic for Leicester.
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Offline Dr.Spaceman

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« Reply #9222 on: Tuesday 12 November 2019, 12:40:55 PM »
Chris Sutton is a sensationalist t***, in the same vein as Durham from TalkShite and Keys from the 1970's.

These peopole will say and do anything to remain relevant, and it's our fault that they continue to have the platform to do so.

Offline sadnesstan

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« Reply #9223 on: Tuesday 12 November 2019, 12:41:44 PM »
Treatment of him? Slagging him off on the internet is not mistreating him. In fact if anybody is mistreating him it's the journos that ring him up and ask him about s*** he'd likely be unaware of.

Offline TRon

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« Reply #9224 on: Tuesday 12 November 2019, 01:27:39 PM »
The Chronicle running with the "I think there must be Newcastle fans out there who will be embarrassed with the way that they have treated Steve Bruce." story.

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Who was the writer?