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Offline neesy111

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18075 on: Friday 14 February 2020, 11:30:29 PM »
Big difference in that man city owner had to sell.

Offline Kanji

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18076 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 12:06:52 AM »
f***ing conspiracy theorists here need to seek help or other hobbies.
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Offline Armchair Pundit

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18078 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 12:20:11 AM »
#AshleyOut

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18079 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 12:30:55 AM »
Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club.

Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first.
Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed.

Offline Optimistic Nut

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18080 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 12:32:37 AM »
Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club.

Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first.
Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed.

At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest.
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Offline sadnesstan

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18082 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:23:44 AM »
Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club.

Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first.
Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed.

At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest.

The fact that Liverpool haven't won the league for 30 years kind of disputes your entire argument.

Offline Pandamninator

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18083 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 06:05:13 AM »
Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club.

Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first.
Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed.

At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest.

The fact that Liverpool haven't won the league for 30 years kind of disputes your entire argument.

Liverpool still had that built in fan base both domestically and internationally thanks to the 70s/80s, plus those trophy winning teams under Houllier and Rafa.  The Americans they have currently were just the first ones who had the nouse and the ability to tap into that properly and get the commercial side of things in order, but even when they were run by morons they were still among the richest clubs.

We could've been one of the clubs benefiting from FFP as well - we had a 15 year head start on Spurs, but the latter stages of the Halls/Sheppards hobbled us and Ashley put a bullet in the head of that ever happening.
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Offline Optimistic Nut

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18084 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 06:39:23 AM »
Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club.

Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first.
Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed.

At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest.

The fact that Liverpool haven't won the league for 30 years kind of disputes your entire argument.

If Man City and Chelsea hasn’t spent to get where they are, there’s a good chance they’d have won a few more in that time which proves my theory correct.
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Offline Hhtoon

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18085 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 06:54:46 AM »
Staveley lowballed originally as there was a real chance of relegation at the time and her bids reflected that:

£250m cash no clauses.
£300m - £200m paid up front and 2 X £50m to be laid later, but not payable if relegated.
£350m - various relegation and future success clauses. Can't remember split.

Not saying Staveley was wrong to offer that, it was probably fair due to the risk but can understand why Ashley rejected and as we're now talking £350m cash buy, looks like his gamble paid off (if he were to actually sell of course  :lol:)

Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18086 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 08:30:50 AM »
Big difference in that man city owner had to sell.

what does that have to do with the point i made nees?
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Offline D. Yimentov

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18087 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 09:36:29 AM »
You can still spend your way to the top of football. You can spend your way to the top of anywhere. I'm amazed that City have even received a punishment to be honest. I thought they'd be keeping the right people sweet. PSG are obviously keeping up with the cheques.

If the Saudi government buy a club - us or anyone else - they'll be abe to do whatever the hell they want. They'll violate FFP for fun.
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Offline jackyboy

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18088 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 12:02:52 PM »
Maybe we'll get banned from Europe for a couple of years when they investigate Mikes overspend on NUFC
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Offline 1964

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18089 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 12:15:57 PM »
Liverpool have had some brilliant results from good scouting as well  the money they have made on transfers is incredible, Sterling, Suarez, coutinho, torres, benteke brought in over 300 million 

Offline Toonjam88

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18090 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 12:50:19 PM »
Maybe we'll get banned from Europe for a couple of years when they investigate Mikes overspend on NUFC
What if they do it the other way and put us in the Champions League due to our underspending 😂😂

Offline Manxst

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18091 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 01:31:41 PM »
Liverpool have had some brilliant results from good scouting as well  the money they have made on transfers is incredible, Sterling, Suarez, coutinho, torres, benteke brought in over 300 million 

They spent around 100m getting those 5 players in though, and have spent over 30m on at least 10 different players, including a 53m, a 56m, a 75m. They’re certainly not scouting geniuses- most of the time, they just pay the going rate. For every transfer success they have, they also have Aquilani, Keane, Markovic, Downing, etc etc where they’ve spent big money and received little in return.

Offline Kanji

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18092 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 01:55:35 PM »
Liverpool’s transfer hits just happen to have developed into some of the best players in the world and are able to consistently perform at every stage. That’s the difference. They couple that with a world class manager and the ground swell picks up. Add in they don’t settle and continue to push.

It’s about time people stop pointing fingers and just accept it for what it is. Liverpool were purchased by highly intelligent and ambitious people and over several years they’ve learned from their mistakes, built up incredible revenue streams to fund investment on and off pitch and are fully deserved in where they are today. Simple as that.
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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18093 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:12:01 PM »
Liverpool’s transfer hits just happen to have developed into some of the best players in the world and are able to consistently perform at every stage. That’s the difference. They couple that with a world class manager and the ground swell picks up. Add in they don’t settle and continue to push.

It’s about time people stop pointing fingers and just accept it for what it is. Liverpool were purchased by highly intelligent and ambitious people and over several years they’ve learned from their mistakes, built up incredible revenue streams to fund investment on and off pitch and are fully deserved in where they are today. Simple as that.

Still t***s though, f*** em.

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Offline Optimistic Nut

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18094 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:16:00 PM »
People forget that Liverpool had £200m of debt in 2010 which was magically wiped out overnight when Hicks & Gillett were forced out. Why is that so much more different to Man City?
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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18095 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:20:29 PM »
People forget that Liverpool had £200m of debt in 2010 which was magically wiped out overnight when Hicks & Gillett were forced out. Why is that so much more different to Man City?

wasn't the purchase price pretty low though, so you could argue the debt payment was part of the ownership process much like it will be when ashley sells (:yao:)
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Offline sadnesstan

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18096 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:24:28 PM »
People forget that Liverpool had £200m of debt in 2010 which was magically wiped out overnight when Hicks & Gillett were forced out. Why is that so much more different to Man City?

Wiped out? What do you mean, exactly? Was it not paid off as part of the sale? Surely there aren't people out thee wiping out £200M  debts? If there are I want a lend of a tenner.

Offline Optimistic Nut

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« Reply #18097 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:26:18 PM »
Same thing though surely? That takeover allowed Liverpool to operate at a level they couldn’t have without their debt. Obviously it’s not Man City level of spending but where do you draw the line?
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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18098 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:39:15 PM »
People forget that Liverpool had £200m of debt in 2010 which was magically wiped out overnight when Hicks & Gillett were forced out. Why is that so much more different to Man City?

Wiped out? What do you mean, exactly? Was it not paid off as part of the sale? Surely there aren't people out thee wiping out £200M  debts? If there are I want a lend of £200M.

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Offline mrmojorisin75

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Re: Mike Ashley aka the Fakeover Thread
« Reply #18099 on: Saturday 15 February 2020, 02:43:43 PM »
really hard to work out what if anything they paid gillett & hicks looking back at the articles, from what i can see they agreed to pay off the debt the club owed RBS and that gave them ownership - somewhere between 2-300m - so the other yanks didn't seem to get anything as they were suing fenway over it

can't see any issue with that myself
So raise your fists and march around
Dont dare take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or i'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Sleep now in the fire