Topic: Newcastle United 2-3 Liverpool - 04/05/19 - Post match reaction from p 27

[themanupstairs]

What I find so sad is I’ve witnessed NUFC fans more offended by rival fans in the home end celebrating or cheering their own team on or more offended when a fellow Toon fan doesn’t sing along, take his shoes off or stays behind after the 90 minutes is up more than being offended when someone is using racist language or displaying racist behaviour. One act seemingly too offensive to resit kicking of over than the other. I’ve seen fans complain to stewards about swearing or people smoking and doing f*** all about any racist s***.

Anyone who took offence against a Liverpool fan whether they were celebrating, provoking someone or abusive and threatening themselves, by assaulting them are scum and deserve banned for life and prosecuted.

And anyone who thinks it’s fair game to dish out violence or abuse to a rival fan celebrating and cheering on their team as deserving such treatment or have only themselves to blame, you are scum too.

Football doesn’t give anyone the right to behave like dickheads or consider that the law and common decency doesn’t apply to those attending a football match.

Honestly, what a an absolute load of Daily Mail sanctimonious s****.  Is it right? No of course not. Should we have all evolved where we can sit back like good citizens and 'let the authorities deal with in the appropriate way?' Probably. But that's not the way it is and those Liverpool fans who took their chances in the home end, they f***ing knew it's the way it is as well. if I sat in the Kop or in the Stretford End or with mackems in their own end, then I know how this works and would behave appropriately. Gan on like arseholes? Sorry but I hope every one of them got a clip.

I'm not one bit pro violence in any shape or form. Having said that, if I'm sat in my club's home stadium with my bairns and a jumped up away fan who thinks he's clever getting into our home end starts trouble or unnecessary bollocks, you better bet I'm standing my ground and defending my own. I wouldn't wait for a f***ing steward.

This. Was there with my 11 year old son in the East Stand and he'd never seen anything like that at a match before, felt a bit uncomfortable with him there to be quite honest......luckily we weren't right next to it.
My Grandad who spent 30 years in the Army including WW2 always taught me 'to respect your hosts, wherever you are in the World' and it's something I've always lived by. Behave like that, and accept the consequences in my opinion, it hasn't even got anything to do with football. More pompous twaddle from HTT, I can only assume he wasn't actually there.

So you would be happy to fill someone in at the match, even with your 11 year old next to you? Even though you said watching others do it was uncomfortable? Or are only accepting it when other people do it?

I just don't get this giving people a kicking thing, no matter what. They should be hoyed out if they play up but people don't deserves having their head kicked in for being a bit of an idiot and celebrating in the home end.

And people wonder why football fans are treated like s*** by the police.

What are you talking about, I haven't mentioned 'filling anyone in' at all?

It was a question because you said it was uncomfortable at first but then went on to condone the Liverpool fans getting filled in when you said they should accept the consequences.

So I was a bit confused, and wondering if you meant you were happy to condone it when other people were giving it out or if you would do the same.

Where did I 'condone them getting filled in' exactly?

"Behave like that, and accept the consequences in my opinion"

 

Where did I mention anyone getting 'filled in'?

You were responding to, and agreeing with, a post about not waiting for stewards / officials / police etc. and dealing with it yourself in the context of a load of Liverpool fans getting a smack.

He mentioned standing his ground, but that was it, you've filled in the blanks yourself.

I'll say it again, act like that in a provocative manner and you should accept the consequences......whether that is you getting chucked out of the ground, arrested, or in verbal/physical confrontations with other fans.

Fair enough until the last point, I just don't see how that fits with you being uncomfortable with it in front of your kids but then it also being totally acceptable to you.

I found it acceptable when they were chucked out of the ground, which is one of the consequences I was talking about. Did you not feel the same?

That's fine. You may not have intended to insinuate what you have. The only bit I can't get my head around is this view (not necessarily from you) from many that it is acceptable for people to get their heads kicked in if they have acted like a bit of dick. Obviously if a Liverpool fan starts a fight and someone is defending themselves that is slightly different but there seems to be a relatively widespread view that any Liverpool fans that celebrated a goal in the home end were fair game for a good kicking. They should be removed etc. but doesn't make violence acceptable.

Celebrating a goal is one thing. Goading, gesturing, giving it the two fingers, chucking drink, and any other kind of physical intimidation would only heighten emotions and provoke others to do the same. And then you could have hell on. This isn't the Tour De France for f***'s sake. It's football. Purely a game of emotions. And if people are going to disrespect others, especially their hosts, then they only have themselves to blame if said hosts retaliate.

It's like condoning the behavior of English fans (or any other for that matter) away at international tournaments if they decided to get drunk and smash places around them. Just a bit of banter mate, no one deserves their heads kicked in for destroying their hosts' livelihoods.

[themanupstairs]

So we go into the last fixtures of the PL season with everything decided except the biggest prize of all.
Champions League places, Europa League places and relegation all sorted just the big one to decide, surrounded no doubt by the biggest hype for quite a while.
Of course had the referees not given Liverpool that free kick for the most obvious dive you'll ever see, or had Newcastle went on to equalise with their last attack instead of being penalised for some "phantom" foul which no one but the referee saw, then the broadcaster that puts billions into the Premier League pot would be left with a bit of a non-event on Sunday instead of the huge global story it will be hyped as instead.
Just saying like .............

1000%

[loki679]

What I find so sad is I’ve witnessed NUFC fans more offended by rival fans in the home end celebrating or cheering their own team on or more offended when a fellow Toon fan doesn’t sing along, take his shoes off or stays behind after the 90 minutes is up more than being offended when someone is using racist language or displaying racist behaviour. One act seemingly too offensive to resit kicking of over than the other. I’ve seen fans complain to stewards about swearing or people smoking and doing f*** all about any racist s***.

Anyone who took offence against a Liverpool fan whether they were celebrating, provoking someone or abusive and threatening themselves, by assaulting them are scum and deserve banned for life and prosecuted.

And anyone who thinks it’s fair game to dish out violence or abuse to a rival fan celebrating and cheering on their team as deserving such treatment or have only themselves to blame, you are scum too.

Football doesn’t give anyone the right to behave like dickheads or consider that the law and common decency doesn’t apply to those attending a football match.

Honestly, what a an absolute load of Daily Mail sanctimonious s****.  Is it right? No of course not. Should we have all evolved where we can sit back like good citizens and 'let the authorities deal with in the appropriate way?' Probably. But that's not the way it is and those Liverpool fans who took their chances in the home end, they f***ing knew it's the way it is as well. if I sat in the Kop or in the Stretford End or with mackems in their own end, then I know how this works and would behave appropriately. Gan on like arseholes? Sorry but I hope every one of them got a clip.

I'm not one bit pro violence in any shape or form. Having said that, if I'm sat in my club's home stadium with my bairns and a jumped up away fan who thinks he's clever getting into our home end starts trouble or unnecessary bollocks, you better bet I'm standing my ground and defending my own. I wouldn't wait for a f***ing steward.

This. Was there with my 11 year old son in the East Stand and he'd never seen anything like that at a match before, felt a bit uncomfortable with him there to be quite honest......luckily we weren't right next to it.
My Grandad who spent 30 years in the Army including WW2 always taught me 'to respect your hosts, wherever you are in the World' and it's something I've always lived by. Behave like that, and accept the consequences in my opinion, it hasn't even got anything to do with football. More pompous twaddle from HTT, I can only assume he wasn't actually there.

So you would be happy to fill someone in at the match, even with your 11 year old next to you? Even though you said watching others do it was uncomfortable? Or are only accepting it when other people do it?

I just don't get this giving people a kicking thing, no matter what. They should be hoyed out if they play up but people don't deserves having their head kicked in for being a bit of an idiot and celebrating in the home end.

And people wonder why football fans are treated like s*** by the police.

What are you talking about, I haven't mentioned 'filling anyone in' at all?

It was a question because you said it was uncomfortable at first but then went on to condone the Liverpool fans getting filled in when you said they should accept the consequences.

So I was a bit confused, and wondering if you meant you were happy to condone it when other people were giving it out or if you would do the same.

Where did I 'condone them getting filled in' exactly?

"Behave like that, and accept the consequences in my opinion"

 

Where did I mention anyone getting 'filled in'?

You were responding to, and agreeing with, a post about not waiting for stewards / officials / police etc. and dealing with it yourself in the context of a load of Liverpool fans getting a smack.

He mentioned standing his ground, but that was it, you've filled in the blanks yourself.

I'll say it again, act like that in a provocative manner and you should accept the consequences......whether that is you getting chucked out of the ground, arrested, or in verbal/physical confrontations with other fans.

Fair enough until the last point, I just don't see how that fits with you being uncomfortable with it in front of your kids but then it also being totally acceptable to you.

I found it acceptable when they were chucked out of the ground, which is one of the consequences I was talking about. Did you not feel the same?

That's fine. You may not have intended to insinuate what you have. The only bit I can't get my head around is this view (not necessarily from you) from many that it is acceptable for people to get their heads kicked in if they have acted like a bit of dick. Obviously if a Liverpool fan starts a fight and someone is defending themselves that is slightly different but there seems to be a relatively widespread view that any Liverpool fans that celebrated a goal in the home end were fair game for a good kicking. They should be removed etc. but doesn't make violence acceptable.

Celebrating a goal is one thing. Goading, gesturing, giving it the two fingers, chucking drink, and any other kind of physical intimidation would only heighten emotions and provoke others to do the same. And then you could have hell on. This isn't the Tour De France for f***'s sake. It's football. Purely a game of emotions. And if people are going to disrespect others, especially their hosts, then they only have themselves to blame if said hosts retaliate.

It's like condoning the behavior of English fans (or any other for that matter) away at international tournaments if they decided to get drunk and smash places around them. Just a bit of banter mate, no one deserves their heads kicked in for destroying their hosts' livelihoods.

They should have been hoyed out and charged by the police in that case.  The normal rules of society work everywhere else, they don’t somehow cease to be in effect at any other sport, why treat football differently?

It’s tempting to say the club f***ed up (they did) but grown adults should be able to watch a sport without knocking seven bells out of each other.

[summerof69]

I think part of the problem is that they weren’t being thrown out

[Wallsendmag]

Football is a very tribal sport. For many people that's one of the reasons that makes it so appealing and sets it apart from every other sport out there. In saying that if you choose to sit in the wrong end it doesn't necessary have to be a problem if you behave in a decent manner and show respect to those around you. Indeed I've done it many times myself, even at Sunderland, and I've never experienced any problems because I've done just that.

Many liverpool fans who had managed to get tickets in home sections on Saturday weren't respectful. In fact they were the total opposite and in many cases were antagonising home fans and inevitably they were met with angry responses and in some cases violence in the Gallowgate End in particular where most of the fighting broke out.

Ultimately If you act up and deliberately provoke people you need to accept the consequences of what you are choosing to do and that's not just at the football, it could be down the pub or wherever. That's just the way of the world.

[County Durham Mag]

Football is a very tribal sport. For many people that's one of the reasons that makes it so appealing and sets it apart from every other sport out there. In saying that if you choose to sit in the wrong end it doesn't necessary have to be a problem if you behave in a decent manner and show respect to those around you. Indeed I've done it many times myself, even at Sunderland, and I've never experienced any problems because I've done just that.

Many liverpool fans who had managed to get tickets in home sections on Saturday weren't respectful. In fact they were the total opposite and in many cases were antagonising home fans and inevitably they were met with angry responses and in some cases violence in the Gallowgate End in particular where most of the fighting broke out.

Ultimately If you act up and deliberately provoke people you need to accept the consequences of what you are choosing to do and that's not just at the football, it could be down the pub or wherever. That's just the way of the world.

Surely not celebrating when the home team score outs anyone as an away fan though

[Mike]

Look at the view the linesman had and still give a foul and people say it's not fixed #NEWLIV pic.twitter.com/e3MMYJUo9f

— jard (@jardrico) May 4, 2019

Almost certainly but...

[Wallsendmag]

Football is a very tribal sport. For many people that's one of the reasons that makes it so appealing and sets it apart from every other sport out there. In saying that if you choose to sit in the wrong end it doesn't necessary have to be a problem if you behave in a decent manner and show respect to those around you. Indeed I've done it many times myself, even at Sunderland, and I've never experienced any problems because I've done just that.

Many liverpool fans who had managed to get tickets in home sections on Saturday weren't respectful. In fact they were the total opposite and in many cases were antagonising home fans and inevitably they were met with angry responses and in some cases violence in the Gallowgate End in particular where most of the fighting broke out.

Ultimately If you act up and deliberately provoke people you need to accept the consequences of what you are choosing to do and that's not just at the football, it could be down the pub or wherever. That's just the way of the world.

Surely not celebrating when the home team score outs anyone as an away fan though

I'm 99% sure I had a Liverpool fan sat in front of me in the Gallowgate. He didn't celebrate their goals but he didn't celebrate ours either and he looked very uneasy when the outbreaks of trouble were happening around and about us but because he was keeping himself to himself nobody bothered him.

He didn't take his seat for the 2nd half like.

[alijmitchell]

Not like these lot to force their way in to an area they shouldn't be in then blame everyone else when it all goes tits up.

Indeed.

Not nice at all lads.

I’m hoping you’re not referring to Hillsborough. If you are, that’s f***ing arsehole craic, if you aren’t, you must be pretty stupid to not be able to see how people would interpret that. Not cool.

[Kanji]

Imagine the situation was reversed and someone like Ayoze dived for a FK which was converted. Effectively ending the title race.

He’d be getting death threats and everything. Vilified by all the tabloids as being ‘everything that’s wrong with English football etc etc’.

Liverpool do it and it’s completely ignored as it’s good for the brand.

w*****s.

I’m all for City winning it in the jammiest possible fashion.

Bang on.

[DJ_NUFC]

My Liverpool supporting mate, without a hint of irony, kept saying all day how "lucky" Man City were winning yesterday, because Leicester "dropped off and just let Kompany score!"

Edit: the world is going to be as insufferable as the Trump win if Liverpool win, isn't it? Gosh.

[Scoreboard82]

Just know that this is going to lead to bad feeling, next time we play Liverpool - either hour or away. The coke/knacka brigade among wor lot will be itching for their revenge. And all down to NUFC seeking to make a few extra quid. 😡

This. Liverpool is usually the away game i look out for for an overnight stay. Enjoy the city and find the locals generally friendly and hospitable. After struggling to get booked up a few seasons ago we ended up staying above 'The Pineapple' pub in Toxteth. My childhood memories of Toxteth were of it in flames during the riots, seen on TV, so we were a bit apprehensive. Turned out we enjoyed every minute and were made very welcome. Relations took a downturn on Saturday sadly. I think if the shoe was on the other foot we'd try and get in the home end at Anfield but for NUFC as a club to provide LFC fans with tickets is crazy. After seeing the videos of them singing in the lounge you ask yourself why they weren't ejected then?

[Disco]

Not like these lot to force their way in to an area they shouldn't be in then blame everyone else when it all goes tits up.

Indeed.

Not nice at all lads.

I’m hoping you’re not referring to Hillsborough. If you are, that’s f***ing arsehole craic, if you aren’t, you must be pretty stupid to not be able to see how people would interpret that. Not cool.

Indeed.