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Offline Ian W

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Re: Brexit 2: Brexit Harder
« Reply #6600 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 08:21:32 pm »
And one redacted paragraph.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already in contempt of Parliament... not sure exactly what they were ordered to release but I doubt one PDF was the intention.

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« Reply #6601 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 08:30:35 pm »
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« Reply #6602 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 08:32:10 pm »
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It's basically what gives us the upper hand even in times of crisis. "Cannit wait man, we're gonna batter them, hope it's 4 or 5 nil, fancy such and such for a hat trick, we're going got Europe, they're a yo-yo team" Then five minutes into the game "s***, why haven't we scored? They've had a shot! Why aren't we all over them? How come there are two teams in the game? f***, what if we don't win? f***s SAKE CLEAR IT SHOOT TACKLE HIM BOO! What if we lose, PANIC PANIC BRUCE MAN WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHY DID HE MISS THAT SHOT, IS HE A MAG?! IT'S BECAUSE BRUCE IS A MAG! f*** OFF STEWARD ARE YOU A f***ing MAG? BET ALL THESE COPPERS ARE MAGS, AND THE MEDIA! THE REF'S A f***ing MAG! AM I A MAG?! Wait, blacked out for a second there. Ah, f***, we've lost again."

Offline Wullie

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« Reply #6603 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 08:36:06 pm »
Save a fiver on a crate of wine when you get back from your holiday on which your £1000 spending money was worth €400 less than it was three years ago. :thup:
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« Reply #6604 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 08:51:42 pm »

:fwap::fwap:

Offline Ian W

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Re: Brexit 2: Brexit Harder
« Reply #6605 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 08:53:09 pm »
I feel like I already knew all this, did we actually get the document before or is it just because we assumed?

Offline Wullie

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« Reply #6606 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 08:56:09 pm »
So is there a real chance that Boris wants no-deal because he would personally profit financially?

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Offline sadnesstan

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« Reply #6607 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 09:03:09 pm »
So is there a real chance that Boris wants no-deal because he would personally profit financially?


Big Scoop. Hedge fund hedges bets.

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« Reply #6608 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 09:29:44 pm »
So is there a real chance that Boris wants no-deal because he would personally profit financially?


Thanks. I wish I understood. :lol: :blush:

Offline Wullie

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« Reply #6609 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 09:34:29 pm »
It's basically insider trading. Mike Ashley betting £8bn on Newcastle to be relegated then giving Steve Bruce the manager's job.
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« Reply #6610 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 09:52:30 pm »
Cheers. It can't be as simple as this, surely? The whole No Deal thing just a get-rich-quick scheme for Boris and a few associates? He'd basically be a Bond villain in that case.

Offline sadnesstan

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« Reply #6611 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 09:57:14 pm »
Cheers. It can't be as simple as this, surely? The whole No Deal thing just a get-rich-quick scheme for Boris and a few associates? He'd basically be a Bond villain in that case.

He's from Eton, it would be a Shakespearean villain. With a brotherly back-stabbing, thrown in for good measure.

Offline Ian W

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« Reply #6612 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 10:20:46 pm »
Cheers. It can't be as simple as this, surely? The whole No Deal thing just a get-rich-quick scheme for Boris and a few associates? He'd basically be a Bond villain in that case.

Course not. Those funds just know that the pound will crash, so they're betting on it. It's what they do.

Offline hakka

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« Reply #6613 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 10:21:17 pm »
Cheers. It can't be as simple as this, surely? The whole No Deal thing just a get-rich-quick scheme for Boris and a few associates? He'd basically be a Bond villain in that case.

And I reckon they will be happy to lose the next GE. Make it Labour/Lib Deb or who-the-f***-ever's problem to fix. Then in 5 or 10 years, propaganda the f*** out of the failure of mission impossible in fixing the damage of No Deal Brexit as reason to vote Tory. Claim austerity is a good idea again like how it worked when they were last in power. Make everyone work harder with a deregulated market, and tax relief for corporations (again, and more of it). Then rinse repeat until the next scam comes along.

I think I'm broken tonight. Just watched someone sharing on Facebook a Leave.EU video of some EU leaders having wine saying they will need more after a deal is done with the Brits. It's been painted as THEY are the ones laughing at our demise and struggles for three years and leaving. Hang on, everything I see is we are the ones being dicks here. We are the ones wanting out, we are the ones saying everything we have helped design and build at the centre of the EU for the last 40 years is not what we want suddenly. We are the ones threatening to leave with No deal, to not pay our legal obligations and to hell with the impact of leaving unless we get a deal on our terms. We are the c***s here wanting out and playing dirty. They aren't bullying us, threatening us or booting us in to this position. Yet what do I see in the comments? our own thick idiots lapping it up saying we should invade the EU for this, we will win as we beat them in WW2. They really think we won that war as if it was easy-peasy. The fact we needed many nations support, the US played a critical role and so did the deaths of tens of millions of Russians on other front. The actual thought of our own people are becoming so polarised you can advocate we need to invade the EU over Brexit - we are toast. This whole scenario has divided us so badly and allowed rampaging and undeserved hatred of the EU. Why? because a small bunch of rich c***s want more money and to buy everything up at bargain prices if we leave on no deal. And there's hundreds and hundreds of these nationalistic idiots spouting the lies, the hate and keeping it going. So deluded and saturated with lies and propaganda they can rationalise the deaths of millions of people in war right now just because Brexit is a bit complicated and not happened yet.

Silly rant as I know I'm looking at the worst 0.1%, but just hate what Brexit is doing. It's not worth it purely for where we are now, let alone what it might be if we get out with or without a deal. Nobody cares about getting to the truth - everything seems to be about getting enough people to believe lies to keep us fighting amongst ourselves.

Offline Wullie

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« Reply #6614 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 10:26:38 pm »
Cheers. It can't be as simple as this, surely? The whole No Deal thing just a get-rich-quick scheme for Boris and a few associates? He'd basically be a Bond villain in that case.

Course not. Those funds just know that the pound will crash, so they're betting on it. It's what they do.

They're helping it crash though, by giving Johnson shitloads of money.
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Offline Wullie

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« Reply #6616 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 10:41:46 pm »
Wonder how the right wing tabloids will report on the UK Prime Minister being found to have broken the law and lied to the Queen, and on the Yellowhammer report.

Ah here we are:


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Offline Disco

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« Reply #6617 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 10:46:41 pm »
Tbf to the Mail that Helen Skelton story was only first published 6 days ago. Many hardworking taxpayers might have missed it.

Express and the Daily Boris not bothering with courts or yellowhammer either too. We have the media we deserve.
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Offline Klaus

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« Reply #6618 on: Wednesday 11 September 2019, 11:02:05 pm »
Purely for the lol factor, im actually a little gutted they didn't go for the 'enemies of the people' headline again :lol:

Offline bigfella

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« Reply #6619 on: Thursday 12 September 2019, 12:53:05 am »
Cheers. It can't be as simple as this, surely? The whole No Deal thing just a get-rich-quick scheme for Boris and a few associates? He'd basically be a Bond villain in that case.

And I reckon they will be happy to lose the next GE. Make it Labour/Lib Deb or who-the-f***-ever's problem to fix. Then in 5 or 10 years, propaganda the f*** out of the failure of mission impossible in fixing the damage of No Deal Brexit as reason to vote Tory. Claim austerity is a good idea again like how it worked when they were last in power. Make everyone work harder with a deregulated market, and tax relief for corporations (again, and more of it). Then rinse repeat until the next scam comes along.

I think I'm broken tonight. Just watched someone sharing on Facebook a Leave.EU video of some EU leaders having wine saying they will need more after a deal is done with the Brits. It's been painted as THEY are the ones laughing at our demise and struggles for three years and leaving. Hang on, everything I see is we are the ones being dicks here. We are the ones wanting out, we are the ones saying everything we have helped design and build at the centre of the EU for the last 40 years is not what we want suddenly. We are the ones threatening to leave with No deal, to not pay our legal obligations and to hell with the impact of leaving unless we get a deal on our terms. We are the c***s here wanting out and playing dirty. They aren't bullying us, threatening us or booting us in to this position. Yet what do I see in the comments? our own thick idiots lapping it up saying we should invade the EU for this, we will win as we beat them in WW2. They really think we won that war as if it was easy-peasy. The fact we needed many nations support, the US played a critical role and so did the deaths of tens of millions of Russians on other front. The actual thought of our own people are becoming so polarised you can advocate we need to invade the EU over Brexit - we are toast. This whole scenario has divided us so badly and allowed rampaging and undeserved hatred of the EU. Why? because a small bunch of rich c***s want more money and to buy everything up at bargain prices if we leave on no deal. And there's hundreds and hundreds of these nationalistic idiots spouting the lies, the hate and keeping it going. So deluded and saturated with lies and propaganda they can rationalise the deaths of millions of people in war right now just because Brexit is a bit complicated and not happened yet.

Silly rant as I know I'm looking at the worst 0.1%, but just hate what Brexit is doing. It's not worth it purely for where we are now, let alone what it might be if we get out with or without a deal. Nobody cares about getting to the truth - everything seems to be about getting enough people to believe lies to keep us fighting amongst ourselves.

Nothing silly about that rant mate. Overheard the makems at the bar tonight, Brexiteers to a man, making those exact points - "bloody EU, we should go over there and give them a good kicking" ad infinitum.

Offline Bizza

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« Reply #6620 on: Thursday 12 September 2019, 03:24:00 am »
Purely for the lol factor, im actually a little gutted they didn't go for the 'enemies of the people' headline again :lol:

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« Reply #6621 on: Thursday 12 September 2019, 04:55:42 am »
Trigger? We’ve been in 1 for months/years

Offline hakka

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« Reply #6622 on: Thursday 12 September 2019, 07:49:13 am »
Purely for the lol factor, im actually a little gutted they didn't go for the 'enemies of the people' headline again :lol:

Twitter has you covered.

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I welcome this. Its about time political events was montiored and held to account in court.

Offline Jimburst

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« Reply #6623 on: Thursday 12 September 2019, 09:35:40 am »
Yeah it's a total shitshow. Nobody in a position of power considered any of this before asking the question because they just thought Remain would win.

It's the problem with independence based referendums, not that I accept in the slightest Brexit equates to any real form independence.  We could bomb countries whilst most of the rest of the EU turned their noses up at us, so we could largely do what the f*** we want and I'll never be convinced by this argument (have some time about arguing for our parliament's 'supremacy' but whatever).  But up here, we've got the "All Under One Banner" indy movement.  They're not even trying to win the argument on Scottish independence anymore, it's no better, in the slightest, than the Brexiteers and their 'believe in Britain' bullshit.  In fact, it's identical.  One argument is "let's just get independence, we can worry about the rest later", which mirrors Brexit's "we can elect someone else to deliver Brexit" rhetoric, generally peddled by Left Leavers during much of that referendum.  Completely ignored the political realities at the time.

I still snigger at Scottish Remainers, who are in turn indy believers.  They don't even see themselves deploying the exact same arguments as some of the more demented Brexiteers. 

My point, I'm not quite sure what that is now, but shows that yeah, great, we can unite, left, right and centre to achieve these momentous changes, but the second it's delivered the fractures are a million times worse than before.  Scotland will be a shitshow if it gets indy, and their little socialist utopia won't materialise as the the unity that brought them together for that one great push, will be shown for the shallow project it was, bereft of planning, insight, and most importantly of all, honesty.  Just like Brexit.

I've asked similar questions of my pro-independence anti-brexit partner. Her general view is of the generally right wing England ('westminster') reducing the voting share of the generally left wing Scotland. Therefore the ability to push through left wing Scottish agendas is permanently reduced until England decides it wants to try out socialism again. It's a needs-must kind of independence.

This need isn't there when talking about Europe, as it's a socialist ideal and generally seems like it could be a good idea if we got it right. Scotland isn't negatively affected by it's association with the EU as it is with it's association with the UK... when talking about ideals.

I think it's fair enough, really. Not quite as ridiculous as you paint it.

On the contrary, the EU would actually have a lot of control over the Scottish budget when they're independent and in the EU.  Scotland will have to do a lot, such as austerity, to prove their fiscal credentials to the EU and to actually balance to books for a ten-15 year period.  This is the baffling thing.  Look at the smaller countries that get in trouble fiscally, and the EU drills down on their budgets.  See Ireland, Portugal, Italy, Spain, and I won't even mention Greece, that's just the worst of the worst case scenarios.  People seem to think you just join the EU and that's that, but we in the end will join the euro and have to go through austerity (this is what the EU would demand of Scotland to balance the books, not me, eminent economists that point this out).  Scotland would have to inherit their side of the British debt, HBOS etc, there's no way out of it, no matter how many times their supporters scream project fear.

Financially, Scotland do a million times better out of the UK union than they ever would do alone and in the EU.  Just check their latest deficit, which the EU would never allow them to run in the first place, but they get to do that in the UK.  So say good bye to the free prescriptions, OAP bus passes etc.  Their cheap as p*ss oil will not save them now, nor will the whisky business.

In fact, their arguments for independence would make more sense if they weren't arguing to join the EU and euro  What type of politics, whether its conservatism or socialism, doesn't really matter when you can't run deficit to get out of trouble, and that's been the EU's big thing since the crash, no deficits.  Although individual countries sometimes flout this, but not long term.  Considering Scotland has run on a deficit for about a century now, it's not going to be pretty when they take that ability away.

Budget wise that's fair enough, and something I hadn't really thought about before. I still see the merits of wanting to be away from England in a political sense, can you not? Westminster is absolutely f***ed and Scotland has barely any say in it.
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Offline sadnesstan

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« Reply #6624 on: Thursday 12 September 2019, 09:50:41 am »
I'd vote for independence from Westminster, yesterday. But I'll never get that choice.