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Re: Sean Longstaff
« Reply #1800 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 11:52:12 AM »
Bruce will have no idea where to play him, so it's "centre midfield please Sean" as an instruction. He then has to work out for himself what his role is.

You could tell that Rafa was very specific with how/where Longstaff should play. Now he looks completely confused.

He needs a very good manager otherwise his career is done.

Where should he play then?

Number 10 role?

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« Reply #1801 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 11:55:19 AM »
Bruce will have no idea where to play him, so it's "centre midfield please Sean" as an instruction. He then has to work out for himself what his role is.

You could tell that Rafa was very specific with how/where Longstaff should play. Now he looks completely confused.

He needs a very good manager otherwise his career is done.

Where should he play then?

Number 10 role?

So if our strongest team, has Longstaff there, who do you leave out if we play 4-2-3-1. ASM, Fraser, Almiron?

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« Reply #1802 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 11:56:04 AM »
Bruce will have no idea where to play him, so it's "centre midfield please Sean" as an instruction. He then has to work out for himself what his role is.

You could tell that Rafa was very specific with how/where Longstaff should play. Now he looks completely confused.

He needs a very good manager otherwise his career is done.

Where should he play then?

I think he's much better in front of the midfield, but as to where he should play in our current team, under this manager, I'm not sure, as there are better options already.

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« Reply #1803 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 11:58:09 AM »
Bruce will have no idea where to play him, so it's "centre midfield please Sean" as an instruction. He then has to work out for himself what his role is.

You could tell that Rafa was very specific with how/where Longstaff should play. Now he looks completely confused.

He needs a very good manager otherwise his career is done.

Where should he play then?

Number 10 role?

So if our strongest team, has Longstaff there, who do you leave out if we play 4-2-3-1. ASM, Fraser, Almiron?

I think with fixture congestion, he'd still get 20 games plus in that role, in my opinion.

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« Reply #1804 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 12:03:44 PM »
no one knows.
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« Reply #1805 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 12:08:00 PM »
He looked really rusty last night, although he was hardly alone in that. No one really looked like they knew what they were doing. If there was a gameplan it must have been let Blackburn have the ball and defend for your lives.

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« Reply #1806 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 12:11:24 PM »
He looked really rusty last night, although he was hardly alone in that. No one really looked like they knew what they were doing. If there was a gameplan it must have been let Blackburn have the ball and defend for your lives.

Isn't that Brewcies standard plan for whoever were playing?

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« Reply #1807 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 12:28:31 PM »
Bruce will have no idea where to play him, so it's "centre midfield please Sean" as an instruction. He then has to work out for himself what his role is.

You could tell that Rafa was very specific with how/where Longstaff should play. Now he looks completely confused.

He needs a very good manager otherwise his career is done.

Ah, so he's not being put in a position to succeed. Interesting isn't it.

This guy is done here. In just a year, he's gone from looking an exciting prospect under a quality manager, to looking like a midfielder that offers nothing under Bruce almighty.

It's incredible.
I'll be watching the games, and I'll be talking about the teams. If it's a disaster it will be quite humorous and exactly what Mike Ashley deserves and to be honest I'll quite enjoy it. I am totally indifferent to results and the team success going forward.

Now, in certain games should the team do well, I will be happy more for the players, because I feel bad for them mostly, and I still want to see some of them do well. I will still feel comfortable giving the team credit when they do well. I just don't care about any outcome at this point and none of my money goes into anything to do with Mike Ashley's operations.

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« Reply #1808 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 12:29:45 PM »
This guy is done here. In just a year, he's gone from looking an exciting prospect under a quality manager, to looking like a midfielder that offers nothing under Bruce almighty.

Bit of an over exaggeration.

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« Reply #1809 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 01:09:02 PM »
This guy is done here. In just a year, he's gone from looking an exciting prospect under a quality manager, to looking like a midfielder that offers nothing under Bruce almighty.

Bit of an over exaggeration.

He's trying to defend Joelinton based on it. The difference being Sean has already shown us, here, at this club, with mostly the same players, that he does have quality.

@KaKa You seem to fail to understand my point - I have absolutely nothing against Joelinton, but he shouldn't be in the team. I really hope he flourishes wherever he plays, but it ain't happening. It's not personal to him, or to you. I hope one day he rediscovers the magic he obviously had when our scouts watched him, but until he does, he's a waste of a shirt and a salary here.

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« Reply #1810 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 01:26:33 PM »
This guy is done here. In just a year, he's gone from looking an exciting prospect under a quality manager, to looking like a midfielder that offers nothing under Bruce almighty.

Bit of an over exaggeration.

He's trying to defend Joelinton based on it. The difference being Sean has already shown us, here, at this club, with mostly the same players, that he does have quality.

@KaKa You seem to fail to understand my point - I have absolutely nothing against Joelinton, but he shouldn't be in the team. I really hope he flourishes wherever he plays, but it ain't happening. It's not personal to him, or to you. I hope one day he rediscovers the magic he obviously had when our scouts watched him, but until he does, he's a waste of a shirt and a salary here.

Fair enough man. It's just a discussion we're having on a difference of opinion.

Both players had a better team and manager the year before and clearly looked far better players.

I 100% agree on Joelinton that the club should look to move him on because it's a rough situation and at this point he's completely ineffective.

I'll be watching the games, and I'll be talking about the teams. If it's a disaster it will be quite humorous and exactly what Mike Ashley deserves and to be honest I'll quite enjoy it. I am totally indifferent to results and the team success going forward.

Now, in certain games should the team do well, I will be happy more for the players, because I feel bad for them mostly, and I still want to see some of them do well. I will still feel comfortable giving the team credit when they do well. I just don't care about any outcome at this point and none of my money goes into anything to do with Mike Ashley's operations.

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« Reply #1811 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 02:24:54 PM »
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-bruce-lays-down-gauntlet-18941742

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Bruce said:
"Sean is in the last two years of his contract – we all know what capabilities he's got he's got to show it more often and more regularly. I'm sure tonight he'll be a bit disappointed with how he's played, but we've got to make sure that we try to get him to maybe where he was. He's got a lot of work to do, but he's got healthy competition around him and as I said, he was another one who needed a game tonight and I think that showed. Certainly his best games for me last season were when he played off the front, number 10, at Bournemouth away and West Brom in the cup certainly in a more forward position. I played him in the centre of the midfield (vs Blackburn) in a two. Look, certainly he's a midfield player, but probably his best position maybe in the number 10 role.
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« Reply #1812 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 02:28:23 PM »
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-bruce-lays-down-gauntlet-18941742

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Bruce said:
"Sean is in the last two years of his contract – we all know what capabilities he's got he's got to show it more often and more regularly. I'm sure tonight he'll be a bit disappointed with how he's played, but we've got to make sure that we try to get him to maybe where he was. He's got a lot of work to do, but he's got healthy competition around him and as I said, he was another one who needed a game tonight and I think that showed. Certainly his best games for me last season were when he played off the front, number 10, at Bournemouth away and West Brom in the cup certainly in a more forward position. I played him in the centre of the midfield (vs Blackburn) in a two. Look, certainly he's a midfield player, but probably his best position maybe in the number 10 role.

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« Reply #1813 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 02:33:25 PM »
I still think he’s better in a holding type role or more specifically how Shelvey plays but he’s more mobile. I don’t think he’s got the clever passes or movement to be a 10. To use everyone’s cliche comparison he looked a lot like a young Carrick.
Wolves away under Rafa seemed to be where he looked his best if my memory is correct. He looked really composed in that role and pressed well in Rafa’s system.

I’m a bit worried he won’t cut it now though.

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« Reply #1814 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 02:38:38 PM »
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-bruce-lays-down-gauntlet-18941742

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Bruce said:
"Sean is in the last two years of his contract – we all know what capabilities he's got he's got to show it more often and more regularly. I'm sure tonight he'll be a bit disappointed with how he's played, but we've got to make sure that we try to get him to maybe where he was. He's got a lot of work to do, but he's got healthy competition around him and as I said, he was another one who needed a game tonight and I think that showed. Certainly his best games for me last season were when he played off the front, number 10, at Bournemouth away and West Brom in the cup certainly in a more forward position. I played him in the centre of the midfield (vs Blackburn) in a two. Look, certainly he's a midfield player, but probably his best position maybe in the number 10 role.

s***. I'm agreeing with Bruce. f***.

I think number 10 is probably his best position tbh. Getting around the edge of the box/into box for cut backs from the wing, he can be dangerous.

Personally, I think ASM, Almiron, Fraser are my 3 behind Wilson, but I think Longstaff should defo get game time in number 10 position when possible.

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« Reply #1815 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 03:10:10 PM »
I still think he’s better in a holding type role or more specifically how Shelvey plays but he’s more mobile. I don’t think he’s got the clever passes or movement to be a 10. To use everyone’s cliche comparison he looked a lot like a young Carrick.
Wolves away under Rafa seemed to be where he looked his best if my memory is correct. He looked really composed in that role and pressed well in Rafa’s system.

I’m a bit worried he won’t cut it now though.

That's what I find perplexing tbh, when he burst onto the scene, it almost looked like he had everything. Composure, bit of strength, and a decent enough passer. He should be ideal to play centre midfield regardless of the formation. Only thing which comes to mind is that maybe he needs a team with a bit of rhythm and direction, which you definitely got under Rafa. With Bruce it's still defensive, but there doesn't seem to be much of a plan to transition the ball forward, so everyone is just doing their own thing, and invariably when you've got bad footballers like Krafth, that means hoofing it, or passes which put team mates under pressure.

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« Reply #1816 on: Wednesday 16 September 2020, 05:19:54 PM »
If we're going to get the best out of Longstaff as a CM he needs to play with Hayden; he probably needs to not be relied on for the aggressive long passes that Shelvey/Schar are used to doing. As a 10 or advanced CM he's a really striker of the ball and would expect him to get goals.
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« Reply #1817 on: Thursday 17 September 2020, 09:33:50 AM »
his good spell came in rafa's best period when the style of play changed not long after ki was injured that season - he was playing quite advanced but was well supported by the players around him at the time as everything had started clicking with Schar/Lejeune dictating play from the back freeing other players to get further forward

so tiring seeing the same arguments year after year that the players should just suddenly be better totally in isolation from what's going on around them :lol:

under bruce we have and probably always will play with a huge gap between defence/midfield and attack...that's gonna lead to wild variations in performance in both the team and players, it clearly doesn't suit longstaff
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« Reply #1818 on: Thursday 17 September 2020, 12:24:23 PM »
Sean looked every bit a rising star under Rafa. And no doubt he’d be looking that exact player if Rafa were still here.
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« Reply #1819 on: Thursday 17 September 2020, 03:10:13 PM »
Remember when Man U were linked for £40m? That concept seems absolutely bizarre watching him under Bruce...
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« Reply #1820 on: Thursday 17 September 2020, 03:16:17 PM »
Especially as they've just spent less than that now (£35 million) on Van De Beek, who I think is going to be very good.
I'll be watching the games, and I'll be talking about the teams. If it's a disaster it will be quite humorous and exactly what Mike Ashley deserves and to be honest I'll quite enjoy it. I am totally indifferent to results and the team success going forward.

Now, in certain games should the team do well, I will be happy more for the players, because I feel bad for them mostly, and I still want to see some of them do well. I will still feel comfortable giving the team credit when they do well. I just don't care about any outcome at this point and none of my money goes into anything to do with Mike Ashley's operations.

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« Reply #1821 on: Friday 18 September 2020, 12:20:37 PM »
Sean looked every bit a rising star under Rafa. And no doubt he’d be looking that exact player if Rafa were still here.

I dunno. A lot of the things he did during his good spell was individual moments of brilliance, things that shouldn't necessarily be reliant on a specific system. Search "This is Why Manchester United Needs Sean Longstaff !" on youtube. He tried and did things he simply doesn't do anymore, and he looks in better shape/sharper then than he does now. To me it seems like it was either a purple patch, or his injury has affected him a lot and hasn't gotten back to the physical shape he was in back then.

It was so much fun watching him. The "old" Longstaff did everything. Was good in the tackle, could spray the ball around just as good as Shelvey, was really good at creating space for himself under pressure in order to pass the ball, had a mean shot, excellent crossing technique. I don't see how these things can get so much worse just because he plays in a less structured team.
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« Reply #1822 on: Friday 18 September 2020, 12:54:23 PM »
I think SL could learn a bit from watching Hendrick.  Hendrick does a good job finding space between the lines and that would serve Longstaff well.  I just don't see him as a regular 10.  Pair him with Hayden in a holding role but let him get forward a little bit and then arrive at  the box for a longshot option.


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« Reply #1823 on: Friday 18 September 2020, 01:58:26 PM »
Sean looked every bit a rising star under Rafa. And no doubt he’d be looking that exact player if Rafa were still here.

I dunno. A lot of the things he did during his good spell was individual moments of brilliance, things that shouldn't necessarily be reliant on a specific system. Search "This is Why Manchester United Needs Sean Longstaff !" on youtube. He tried and did things he simply doesn't do anymore, and he looks in better shape/sharper then than he does now. To me it seems like it was either a purple patch, or his injury has affected him a lot and hasn't gotten back to the physical shape he was in back then.

It was so much fun watching him. The "old" Longstaff did everything. Was good in the tackle, could spray the ball around just as good as Shelvey, was really good at creating space for himself under pressure in order to pass the ball, had a mean shot, excellent crossing technique. I don't see how these things can get so much worse just because he plays in a less structured team.

At times during that spell he looked a complete natural. It was all so instinctive, which is really what you want, but those players struggle to thrive if the team isn't set up to capitalise.

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« Reply #1824 on: Friday 18 September 2020, 03:49:45 PM »
A 'team' consists of 11 players who compliment each other in a balanced, organised side, not 11 players who really don't seem to have specific rolls to play other than get behind the ball then hope for something to happen
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