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« Reply #2500 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 05:11:58 pm »
Best case is definitely a straight swap Gayle for Rondon and us finding another decent quality striker to challenge him, ideally someone better than Rondon in truth as much as hes been great for us and contributed all round it would be nice have someone on the books who is a bit more prolific.

Gayle works hard and would do a job for us still in this league but at the end of the day hes a below average premier league striker.

If Wba want to come up next season the swap deal would make sense, hes prolific in that league and probably close to Rondon's worth when you take the relative age difference into consideration.

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« Reply #2501 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 05:35:35 pm »
16m is a bargain in todays market. We 'could' spend 25-30m on a striker and its still far from certain he would be as good for us as Rondon.

Also, there would easily be a few clubs willing to pay the same for Gayle. I know it's more about resale value and all that, but still.

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« Reply #2502 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 05:36:21 pm »
Best case is definitely a straight swap Gayle for Rondon and us finding another decent quality striker to challenge him.

This :thup:

16m is a bargain in todays market. We 'could' spend 25-30m on a striker and its still far from certain he would be as good for us as Rondon.

Have a watch of the 24 year old Rondon = Sebastian Haller.

Probably the most Rafa Benitez type centre forward in Europe and would fit like a glove in our 3-4-2-1 system.

Plays that same focal point role in the exact same system for Frankfurt.

I think if the board refuse to budge on this age issue with Rondon then Rafa should just chuck the 24 year old version at them if you want younger then be willing to pay more.
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« Reply #2503 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 05:39:38 pm »
16m is a bargain in todays market. We 'could' spend 25-30m on a striker and its still far from certain he would be as good for us as Rondon.

even if you are a normal human and recognise that (a) his age doesn't mean he's dead (b) he's got a good injury record and (c) you could get 3 good years out of him then you've still got (d) which is that he's proved he can perform with the 2 younger players we've got behind him and can improve their games potentially rocketing perez's value in particular over the course of a whole season

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« Reply #2504 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 05:47:54 pm »
I wonder if Rondon has a better chance conversion? But, given all that Rondon clearly helps the team function better, leads the line, links up better, has a better touch and brain.

For what it's worth. Mitrovic has an Xg of 15 goals but scored 11. Rondon has an Xg of roughly just under 11. Haven't looked into the detail. Mitro may take a lot of shots from distance which accumulates xg over time. But it suggests when Rondon scores when he's meant too.

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« Reply #2505 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 05:55:21 pm »
I wonder if Rondon has a better chance conversion? But, given all that Rondon clearly helps the team function better, leads the line, links up better, has a better touch and brain.

For what it's worth. Mitrovic has an Xg of 15 goals but scored 11. Rondon has an Xg of roughly just under 11. Haven't looked into the detail. Mitro may take a lot of shots from distance which accumulates xg over time. But it suggests when Rondon scores when he's meant too.
Think Mitro took the most shots in the league. He also played the equivalent of 7 and a half more games than Rondon and one of Mitro's was a penalty
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« Reply #2506 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 06:04:10 pm »
I wonder if Rondon has a better chance conversion? But, given all that Rondon clearly helps the team function better, leads the line, links up better, has a better touch and brain.

For what it's worth. Mitrovic has an Xg of 15 goals but scored 11. Rondon has an Xg of roughly just under 11. Haven't looked into the detail. Mitro may take a lot of shots from distance which accumulates xg over time. But it suggests when Rondon scores when he's meant too.
Think Mitro took the most shots in the league. He also played the equivalent of 7 and a half more games than Rondon and one of Mitro's was a penalty

Likewise though players that don't tend to play 90 minute have better Xg per 90 minutes. Either because they play less when they're tired (subbed), or play more when they're fresh (coming on).

But aye, that first stat suggests Mitro's Xg is overinflated due to low-quality shots if he's had the most in the league. Rondon is an unselfish player and will play it to a team mate in a better position.

Although it seems obvious, the highest goalscorers do tend to take the most shots per game. Can see Mitro having a year or a purple patch where it all goes in due to shot volume, confidence, luck etc. The Papiss Cisse Effect.

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« Reply #2507 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 06:10:50 pm »
We paid £10-12m for Gayle 3 years ago too. We might get someone like Fulham who think £15m or similar if they get double that for Mitrovic, but I think we’re looking £10-12m.

Tom Cairny, Sessengnon swap? Or are we better equipped with Longstaff Cm and Ritchie as a Lwb.

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« Reply #2508 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 06:57:24 pm »
I wonder if Rondon has a better chance conversion? But, given all that Rondon clearly helps the team function better, leads the line, links up better, has a better touch and brain.

For what it's worth. Mitrovic has an Xg of 15 goals but scored 11. Rondon has an Xg of roughly just under 11. Haven't looked into the detail. Mitro may take a lot of shots from distance which accumulates xg over time. But it suggests when Rondon scores when he's meant too.
Think Mitro took the most shots in the league. He also played the equivalent of 7 and a half more games than Rondon and one of Mitro's was a penalty

Likewise though players that don't tend to play 90 minute have better Xg per 90 minutes. Either because they play less when they're tired (subbed), or play more when they're fresh (coming on).

But aye, that first stat suggests Mitro's Xg is overinflated due to low-quality shots if he's had the most in the league. Rondon is an unselfish player and will play it to a team mate in a better position.

Although it seems obvious, the highest goalscorers do tend to take the most shots per game. Can see Mitro having a year or a purple patch where it all goes in due to shot volume, confidence, luck etc. The Papiss Cisse Effect.

Those six months, man. What I wouldn't give to see another NUFC striker have a magical period like that again. Cisse could've hit the ball from the car park and it would've found the top corner.

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« Reply #2509 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 08:46:33 pm »
If Rafa signs a new deal and he was allowed to have a modicum of ambition in the market, ideally our 3 options up front would be someone like one of the Frankfurt strikers (Jovic or Haller), Rondon and Gayle.

Even if we had ambition it would be impossible to keep 3 strikers playing for 1 position happy. We should sign Rondon as our main striker, get better back up than Joselu and have Perez or someone else if he is sold as an alternative if injuries become a problem in that position.

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« Reply #2510 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 08:55:26 pm »
If Rafa signs a new deal and he was allowed to have a modicum of ambition in the market, ideally our 3 options up front would be someone like one of the Frankfurt strikers (Jovic or Haller), Rondon and Gayle.

Even if we had ambition it would be impossible to keep 3 strikers playing for 1 position happy. We should sign Rondon as our main striker, get better back up than Joselu and have Perez or someone else if he is sold as an alternative if injuries become a problem in that position.

Agreed. Ideally that backup/alternative would be someone who is comfortable to play a few positions too, it's why I mentioned Remi Oudin from Reims. Can play up top or inside forward from the right. Tall enough lad as well with a quality free kick on him. £10m or so would do it.

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« Reply #2511 on: Wednesday 15 May 2019, 11:58:53 pm »
Weirdly for an older player I think Rondon would maintain some value for future sell on. He’s obviously n decent nick and doesn’t have a Rooney esque amount of games in his legs. Reckon even after a couple of seasons the MLS would take him for one of the clubs with a large Venezuelan diaspora in the locale.

Becks chomping at the bit if he can get his turgid Miami team off the ground.

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« Reply #2512 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 01:18:39 pm »
Apparently Wolves are in for him

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« Reply #2513 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 01:32:52 pm »
It will be a bunch of clubs in for him for that price and the season he just had. But we have the leverage that he actually wants to be here and are settled. But we have a slow 3-year old as an owner. So he will probably end upp somewhere else..

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« Reply #2514 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 01:36:53 pm »
If Rafa signs a new deal and he was allowed to have a modicum of ambition in the market, ideally our 3 options up front would be someone like one of the Frankfurt strikers (Jovic or Haller), Rondon and Gayle.

Even if we had ambition it would be impossible to keep 3 strikers playing for 1 position happy. We should sign Rondon as our main striker, get better back up than Joselu and have Perez or someone else if he is sold as an alternative if injuries become a problem in that position.

Agreed. Ideally that backup/alternative would be someone who is comfortable to play a few positions too, it's why I mentioned Remi Oudin from Reims. Can play up top or inside forward from the right. Tall enough lad as well with a quality free kick on him. £10m or so would do it.

I love Rondon to bits now and a perfect scenario would be him and Rafa getting announced as staying asap, but there's a bit of me thinking that I want us to have a better quality striker than him, who can do the holding up, winning aerial duels et cetera but also can score 15+ goals. Rondon got close admittedly and probably would've got 15+ had lapdog Charnaz signed him earlier in preseason like he should have done to get his match fitness up but I just think we could do better. But better would cost £25m plus and Ashley won't allow that apart from another aberration like Almiron was. Agree with you otherwise.
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« Reply #2515 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 01:51:00 pm »
Apparently Wolves are in for him

They’re not going to play him & Jimenez together. You’d think someone who’d give him regular game time would sign him whether that’s us or someone else.
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« Reply #2516 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 06:56:55 pm »
Apparently Wolves are in for him

They’re not going to play him & Jimenez together. You’d think someone who’d give him regular game time would sign him whether that’s us or someone else.

f***ing stupid Wolves trying to build a squad of different player types.

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« Reply #2517 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 07:27:42 pm »
If Rafa signs a new deal and he was allowed to have a modicum of ambition in the market, ideally our 3 options up front would be someone like one of the Frankfurt strikers (Jovic or Haller), Rondon and Gayle.

Even if we had ambition it would be impossible to keep 3 strikers playing for 1 position happy. We should sign Rondon as our main striker, get better back up than Joselu and have Perez or someone else if he is sold as an alternative if injuries become a problem in that position.

Agreed. Ideally that backup/alternative would be someone who is comfortable to play a few positions too, it's why I mentioned Remi Oudin from Reims. Can play up top or inside forward from the right. Tall enough lad as well with a quality free kick on him. £10m or so would do it.

I love Rondon to bits now and a perfect scenario would be him and Rafa getting announced as staying asap, but there's a bit of me thinking that I want us to have a better quality striker than him, who can do the holding up, winning aerial duels et cetera but also can score 15+ goals. Rondon got close admittedly and probably would've got 15+ had lapdog Charnaz signed him earlier in preseason like he should have done to get his match fitness up but I just think we could do better. But better would cost £25m plus and Ashley won't allow that apart from another aberration like Almiron was. Agree with you otherwise.

I kind of agree with that, but ususally players that score over 15 goals a season play for top 6 clubs. Maybe Joelinton could be that alternative. According to the Chronicle a few days ago they mentioned Newcastle and Hoffenheim would be happy paying in instalments.

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« Reply #2518 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 07:37:23 pm »
Apparently Wolves are in for him

They’re not going to play him & Jimenez together. You’d think someone who’d give him regular game time would sign him whether that’s us or someone else.

f***ing stupid Wolves trying to build a squad of different player types.

All depends on what happens with Rafa, if it is positive I think he will sign no problem as he loves it up here, but then again we are subject to Ashley. Think out of any club if he was to go elsewhere, that Everton would best suit him and them.

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« Reply #2519 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 07:50:56 pm »
Everton, Watford, West Ham, Crystal Palace....he’d stroll into any of those as first choice. If it was those clubs linked I’d be worried because if we p*ss about I could see him there. I just don’t see him going to Wolves.
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« Reply #2520 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 07:57:36 pm »
If Rafa signs a new deal and he was allowed to have a modicum of ambition in the market, ideally our 3 options up front would be someone like one of the Frankfurt strikers (Jovic or Haller), Rondon and Gayle.

Even if we had ambition it would be impossible to keep 3 strikers playing for 1 position happy. We should sign Rondon as our main striker, get better back up than Joselu and have Perez or someone else if he is sold as an alternative if injuries become a problem in that position.

Agreed. Ideally that backup/alternative would be someone who is comfortable to play a few positions too, it's why I mentioned Remi Oudin from Reims. Can play up top or inside forward from the right. Tall enough lad as well with a quality free kick on him. £10m or so would do it.

I love Rondon to bits now and a perfect scenario would be him and Rafa getting announced as staying asap, but there's a bit of me thinking that I want us to have a better quality striker than him, who can do the holding up, winning aerial duels et cetera but also can score 15+ goals. Rondon got close admittedly and probably would've got 15+ had lapdog Charnaz signed him earlier in preseason like he should have done to get his match fitness up but I just think we could do better. But better would cost £25m plus and Ashley won't allow that apart from another aberration like Almiron was. Agree with you otherwise.

I kind of agree with that, but ususally players that score over 15 goals a season play for top 6 clubs. Maybe Joelinton could be that alternative. According to the Chronicle a few days ago they mentioned Newcastle and Hoffenheim would be happy paying in instalments.


Sebastian Haller would be the most direct young alternative to Rondon.

Joelinton plays a lot coming from wide in the Perez/Almiron positions just a much more physical version.

Not sure how much either would actually cost but I reckon Joelinton would be looked at as a Perez position replacement and Haller a younger alternative to signing Rondon.

Not that Rafa will be allowed to get either of them :lol:
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« Reply #2521 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 08:55:54 pm »
If Rafa signs a new deal and he was allowed to have a modicum of ambition in the market, ideally our 3 options up front would be someone like one of the Frankfurt strikers (Jovic or Haller), Rondon and Gayle.

Even if we had ambition it would be impossible to keep 3 strikers playing for 1 position happy. We should sign Rondon as our main striker, get better back up than Joselu and have Perez or someone else if he is sold as an alternative if injuries become a problem in that position.

Agreed. Ideally that backup/alternative would be someone who is comfortable to play a few positions too, it's why I mentioned Remi Oudin from Reims. Can play up top or inside forward from the right. Tall enough lad as well with a quality free kick on him. £10m or so would do it.

I love Rondon to bits now and a perfect scenario would be him and Rafa getting announced as staying asap, but there's a bit of me thinking that I want us to have a better quality striker than him, who can do the holding up, winning aerial duels et cetera but also can score 15+ goals. Rondon got close admittedly and probably would've got 15+ had lapdog Charnaz signed him earlier in preseason like he should have done to get his match fitness up but I just think we could do better. But better would cost £25m plus and Ashley won't allow that apart from another aberration like Almiron was. Agree with you otherwise.

I kind of agree with that, but ususally players that score over 15 goals a season play for top 6 clubs. Maybe Joelinton could be that alternative. According to the Chronicle a few days ago they mentioned Newcastle and Hoffenheim would be happy paying in instalments.


Sebastian Haller would be the most direct young alternative to Rondon.

Joelinton plays a lot coming from wide in the Perez/Almiron positions just a much more physical version.

Not sure how much either would actually cost but I reckon Joelinton would be looked at as a Perez position replacement and Haller a younger alternative to signing Rondon.

Not that Rafa will be allowed to get either of them :lol:

should just sign Haller and Jovic
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« Reply #2522 on: Thursday 16 May 2019, 09:08:24 pm »
If Rafa signs a new deal and he was allowed to have a modicum of ambition in the market, ideally our 3 options up front would be someone like one of the Frankfurt strikers (Jovic or Haller), Rondon and Gayle.

Even if we had ambition it would be impossible to keep 3 strikers playing for 1 position happy. We should sign Rondon as our main striker, get better back up than Joselu and have Perez or someone else if he is sold as an alternative if injuries become a problem in that position.

Agreed. Ideally that backup/alternative would be someone who is comfortable to play a few positions too, it's why I mentioned Remi Oudin from Reims. Can play up top or inside forward from the right. Tall enough lad as well with a quality free kick on him. £10m or so would do it.

I love Rondon to bits now and a perfect scenario would be him and Rafa getting announced as staying asap, but there's a bit of me thinking that I want us to have a better quality striker than him, who can do the holding up, winning aerial duels et cetera but also can score 15+ goals. Rondon got close admittedly and probably would've got 15+ had lapdog Charnaz signed him earlier in preseason like he should have done to get his match fitness up but I just think we could do better. But better would cost £25m plus and Ashley won't allow that apart from another aberration like Almiron was. Agree with you otherwise.

I agree. But Rondon will be adequate first choice, if our option from the bench can make up the shortfall. Cheapest option in that respect, is already on our books, Dwight Gayle. I agree with whoever that Gayle won't be happy on the bench. All the better. A fully fit, integrated Rondon from the start of the season will get 12-15 goals, 6 from Gayle (4 more than Joselu) could make a hell of a difference. Not to mention the benefit of having a sub that Rafa wouldn't be afraid to use, to keep Rondon fresh.


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« Reply #2524 on: Saturday 18 May 2019, 11:00:59 am »
Yikes. Enjoy that bench, I guess.