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Offline Kimbo

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Re: sunderland to play 3rd consecutive year in 3rd Division after record low finish
« Reply #15300 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 12:58:57 PM »
Tbh I always thought Gerrard was a bit selfish and would too often go for some ludicrous long pass or shot when he should've passed, and that's why I've always ranked him 3rd out of him, Scholes, and Lampard. Henderson is nowhere near him though.

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« Reply #15301 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 02:08:37 PM »
Henderson is the ideal team player, 7 out of 10 every time and competent at all things, but Gerrard wins games by himself.

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« Reply #15302 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 02:10:11 PM »
Good shout. Henderson is just a midfield Gary Neville.

Saying Henderson is better than Gerrard is like saying Neville is better than Cafu or Zanetti.

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« Reply #15303 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 02:37:42 PM »
Henderson is technically limited and is the quintessential English type of player, but unlike similar players of his standard/technique/ability, he’s extracted the most out of his game/ability because of his stamina, attitude, professionalism and because he’s actually very good at what he does/gives/brings to a team like Milner. He’s nowhere near the level of the likes of Gerrard were. He’s a top bloke by all accounts and does a lot to support SAFC’s academy and I’m a fan of his and pleased for him he’s had the success he has had.

His type (limitations in technical ability) are slowly but surely becoming redundant as a new breed of better technical English players emmerge and the standard in kids’ football, grassroots coaching, facilities and of course academies.

In many ways right now though, I do feel Henderson is actually underrated in terms of just how key a player he is on and off the field which all teams need and which the likes of Liverpool buy having superior technical players around the likes of him, can compensate for if he can provide the team with other qualities which he does.
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« Reply #15304 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 02:49:05 PM »
Good shout. Henderson is just a midfield Gary Neville.

Saying Henderson is better than Gerrard is like saying Neville is better than Cafu or Zanetti.

Gary Neville was underatted IMO and a very good footballer, who could pass and cross, he wasn’t skilful or a dribbler full of flair of course, but he was much better than often considered.

The likes of Cafu and Zanetti were world class and greats of their era in their position.

I always thought as great as Gerrard was, technically, he wasn’t the best in that he would often over run the ball with it at his feet which meant he’d over stretch (leading to injuries or contesting challenges and tackles because he would run into bodies or be closed down or draw people into him/space). That’s why Rafa switched him wide/r right midfield because he didn’t want him getting bogged down in midfield which his not so brilliant technique would be found out/lead to problems.

Compare his technical ability to say Alonso...

Gerard had great energy, discipline, drive, will to win, mental strength and could run with the ball, without it and a tremendous range of passing and vision and incredible striking technique similar to say a Shearer.

I rated Lampard as an all-rounder higher than Gerrard, he was for me a level above technically and as a footballer.

Rafa in charge of England would have got them two the right way round so to speak which Sven failed to do, moving Lampard left many a time to keep Gerrard central. A waste of two different but top players.

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« Reply #15305 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 09:37:01 PM »
Henderson is technically limited and is the quintessential English type of player, but unlike similar players of his standard/technique/ability, he’s extracted the most out of his game/ability because of his stamina, attitude, professionalism and because he’s actually very good at what he does/gives/brings to a team like Milner. He’s nowhere near the level of the likes of Gerrard were. He’s a top bloke by all accounts and does a lot to support SAFC’s academy and I’m a fan of his and pleased for him he’s had the success he has had.

His type (limitations in technical ability) are slowly but surely becoming redundant as a new breed of better technical English players emmerge and the standard in kids’ football, grassroots coaching, facilities and of course academies.

In many ways right now though, I do feel Henderson is actually underrated in terms of just how key a player he is on and off the field which all teams need and which the likes of Liverpool buy having superior technical players around the likes of him, can compensate for if he can provide the team with other qualities which he does.

Yep, can't knock Henderson- he might be limited in talent but you can tell he's made the absolute most of what he does have through discipline, work, training hard and living the lifestyle of a professional as opposed to going getting s*** faced and trying to abuse as many naive lasses as he can. He might be a tit when it comes to us but you've got to respect the way he goes about his career.

In reference your last sentence I'd add it was notable how much he influenced the ref at SJP last season. Apart from one decision in the build up to Rondons goal Henderson pretty much took the whistle and cards at kick off, refereed the match and returned them to the ref at the final whistle. It's an underrated skill and one that's harder than it looks to get right.
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Re: sunderland to play 3rd consecutive year in 3rd Division after record low finish
« Reply #15306 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 09:37:50 PM »
Henderson is technically limited and is the quintessential English type of player, but unlike similar players of his standard/technique/ability, he’s extracted the most out of his game/ability because of his stamina, attitude, professionalism and because he’s actually very good at what he does/gives/brings to a team like Milner. He’s nowhere near the level of the likes of Gerrard were. He’s a top bloke by all accounts and does a lot to support SAFC’s academy and I’m a fan of his and pleased for him he’s had the success he has had.

His type (limitations in technical ability) are slowly but surely becoming redundant as a new breed of better technical English players emmerge and the standard in kids’ football, grassroots coaching, facilities and of course academies.

In many ways right now though, I do feel Henderson is actually underrated in terms of just how key a player he is on and off the field which all teams need and which the likes of Liverpool buy having superior technical players around the likes of him, can compensate for if he can provide the team with other qualities which he does.

Yep, can't knock Henderson- he might be limited in talent but you can tell he's made the absolute most of what he does have through discipline, work, training hard and living the lifestyle of a professional as opposed to going getting s*** faced and trying to abuse as many naive lasses as he can. He might be a tit when it comes to us but you've got to respect the way he goes about his career.

In reference your last sentence I'd add it was notable how much he influenced the ref at SJP last season. Apart from one decision in the build up to Rondons goal Henderson pretty much took the whistle and cards at kick off, refereed the match and returned them to the ref at the final whistle. It's an underrated skill and one that's harder than it looks to get right.

That’ll be something he’ll have learned from Gerrard.

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« Reply #15307 on: Sunday 28 June 2020, 11:24:25 PM »
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Offline rgk_lfc

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« Reply #15308 on: Monday 29 June 2020, 07:35:15 AM »
Henderson is technically limited and is the quintessential English type of player, but unlike similar players of his standard/technique/ability, he’s extracted the most out of his game/ability because of his stamina, attitude, professionalism and because he’s actually very good at what he does/gives/brings to a team like Milner. He’s nowhere near the level of the likes of Gerrard were. He’s a top bloke by all accounts and does a lot to support SAFC’s academy and I’m a fan of his and pleased for him he’s had the success he has had.

His type (limitations in technical ability) are slowly but surely becoming redundant as a new breed of better technical English players emmerge and the standard in kids’ football, grassroots coaching, facilities and of course academies.

In many ways right now though, I do feel Henderson is actually underrated in terms of just how key a player he is on and off the field which all teams need and which the likes of Liverpool buy having superior technical players around the likes of him, can compensate for if he can provide the team with other qualities which he does.

I think you are being a wee bit harsh by stating his type is becoming redundant. Yes, he is no Gerrard or Alonso, but he is a perfect midfielder if a coach wants to implement a high press system. He can control and move the ball fast, press and close down space at a high level for 120 minutes, follows instructions to the letter, and has the game intelligence to position himself in space to receive the ball from the defenders.

Keita, Wijnaldum, and Fabinho are better midfielders than Henderson in attributes but we play better when it is Henderson plus two. To see his impact,  watch the Southampton game from last season when he came on in the 60th minute and changed the game. He was instrumental in moving the ball faster, initiating the press faster. We just play at a higher speed, tempo, and control when he is on the pitch.

As a captain, he has been perfect on and off the pitch for the last three years. Does a lot of great work in the community, an excellent ambassador for the club. He is loved by the squad and players respond to him.

He is an ideal captain for Klopp and Klopp is the perfect manager for him. As long as counter-pressing is in vogue, players like him will be in high demand. He is definitely going to retire as a bonafide Liverpool legend, no doubt about it.

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« Reply #15309 on: Monday 29 June 2020, 08:21:55 AM »
48 pages, 944 posts and 19,000 views with a thread on our game tonight  ;D

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« Reply #15310 on: Monday 29 June 2020, 08:33:39 AM »
48 pages, 944 posts and 19,000 views with a thread on our game tonight  ;D

And they say we are obsessed  :lol:

Haven’t looked at it , I expect it’s full of the usual bitterness, forgetting they make the numbers up in division 3 , potless, pointless.
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« Reply #15311 on: Monday 29 June 2020, 09:17:02 AM »
48 pages, 944 posts and 19,000 views with a thread on our game tonight  ;D

Jesus  :lol:

Wow  :lol:

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« Reply #15312 on: Monday 29 June 2020, 09:19:33 AM »
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« Reply #15313 on: Monday 29 June 2020, 09:21:36 AM »
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« Reply #15314 on: Monday 29 June 2020, 02:03:11 PM »
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« Reply #15315 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 12:19:01 PM »
Sounds as if they’re extending use of the furlough scheme until the eve of next season for all staff, players included, but they’re not topping up the outstanding 20%.

Of course, the furlough scheme only pays 80% of the wages up to around £3k per month, so some of their players are going to be massively out of pocket.
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« Reply #15316 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 12:43:58 PM »
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« Reply #15317 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 12:44:53 PM »
Sounds as if they’re extending use of the furlough scheme until the eve of next season for all staff, players included, but they’re not topping up the outstanding 20%.

Of course, the furlough scheme only pays 80% of the wages up to around £3k per month, so some of their players are going to be massively out of pocket.

They'll have to start putting something in soon, as the government contribution starts reducing to 60% from August, isn't it?

They could be screwed if there are still no crowds by October when the Furlough scheme is due to end, and they have to start paying everyone in full again.
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« Reply #15318 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 01:14:28 PM »
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From Netflix to love island. Such a desperate attempt to stay relevant.

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« Reply #15319 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 01:16:25 PM »
Sounds as if they’re extending use of the furlough scheme until the eve of next season for all staff, players included, but they’re not topping up the outstanding 20%.

Of course, the furlough scheme only pays 80% of the wages up to around £3k per month, so some of their players are going to be massively out of pocket.

They'll have to start putting something in soon, as the government contribution starts reducing to 60% from August, isn't it?

They could be screwed if there are still no crowds by October when the Furlough scheme is due to end, and they have to start paying everyone in full again.

Footballers contracts are funny. As an employee in any other industry you could walk away and find alternative employment. If a player could do that then thry could lose just about anyone on their books.

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« Reply #15320 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 01:26:53 PM »
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Wealdstone, you say?

I can imagine someone wont be happy about that!



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« Reply #15321 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 04:59:17 PM »
Rumours thry are closing down the academy. Not even dropping it down a level or 2, but full on closure.

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« Reply #15322 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 05:02:52 PM »
Colback signed for these yet?

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« Reply #15323 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 06:09:29 PM »
Rumours thry are closing down the academy. Not even dropping it down a level or 2, but full on closure.

The academy manager left today. Sticking the knife into their staff too so they don’t get addicted to furlough.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/sunderland-afc-extend-furlough-scheme-staff-and-players-will-no-longer-top-staff-salaries-2899202

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« Reply #15324 on: Tuesday 30 June 2020, 06:14:18 PM »
Colback signed for these yet?

Theres absolutely no way Sunderland could afford Colbacks wages.