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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #775 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 09:35:48 PM »
If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by making a controlled, well-timed challenge (definitively taking the ball before the man) - it's a fair challenge.

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by maneouvering his body in front of his opponent (being in control of the ball but without necessarily touching it) - it's a fair challenge.

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by literally diving headfirst in front of his opponent, not being in control of the ball, not touching the ball, whilst impeding the striker's ability to shoot - it's a foul.

If Lascelles doesn't do what he did, Kane has an opportunity to take a clean shot; but Lascelles prevents that from happening. Kane might lean into him slightly but it doesn't mean the infringement hasn't occurred. If you're a striker, I think you're probably within your right to highlight the infringement by playing into it somewhat.

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #776 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 09:56:45 PM »
But does Lascallles prevent Kane from doing that or does Kane lose balance because hes expecting to have to lean off the defender so leans in and theres no one there. I think that's what VAR saw, made to look worse by his putting his leg over to make it look worse than it was.
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« Reply #777 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 10:13:59 PM »
The defender was out of control and impeded the striker so it's a foul imo. The Man City one was worse anyway, no idea how that wasn't given

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #778 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 10:23:20 PM »
The defender was out of control and impeded the striker so it's a foul imo. The Man City one was worse anyway, no idea how that wasn't given
Out of control yes, just seemed he impeded him by not being there to lean against when Kane thought hed have to. Why else would it not be given ?
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« Reply #779 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 10:29:33 PM »
He was laid underneath him when he went that way :lol: If you change direction and someone dives at your feet causing you to fall, it's a foul. I don't disagree that that's why it wasn't given, I'm saying it should have been given

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« Reply #780 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 10:31:02 PM »
He was laid underneath him when he went that way :lol: If you change direction and someone dives at your feet causing you to fall, it's a foul. I don't disagree that that's why it wasn't given, I'm saying it should have been given
I dont think its contact that causes Kane to fall but the lack of it.
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« Reply #781 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 10:32:32 PM »
I can see your argument, but we'll have to agree to disagree :thup:

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« Reply #782 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 10:40:52 PM »
Fair enough. Theres every chance I'd see it different if it was the other way round 👍
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« Reply #783 on: Sunday 25 August 2019, 10:51:28 PM »
After watching more angles on MOTD2 I'm even more convinced it's not a pen.
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #784 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 01:30:28 AM »
I'm surprisd so many think it's a pen tbh, Kane leaned in looking for it, he should have kept going he probably would have got his shot away.

He has previous for looking for the contact.

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« Reply #785 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 02:15:27 AM »
In real time I thought it wasn't a pen. Then, the first replay it did look like it might be given and then they showed it from the opposite angle and I thought no way is that a penalty.

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #786 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 02:22:45 AM »
If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by making a controlled, well-timed challenge (definitively taking the ball before the man) - it's a fair challenge.

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by maneouvering his body in front of his opponent (being in control of the ball but without necessarily touching it) - it's a fair challenge.

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by literally diving headfirst in front of his opponent, not being in control of the ball, not touching the ball, whilst impeding the striker's ability to shoot - it's a foul.

If Lascelles doesn't do what he did, Kane has an opportunity to take a clean shot; but Lascelles prevents that from happening. Kane might lean into him slightly but it doesn't mean the infringement hasn't occurred. If you're a striker, I think you're probably within your right to highlight the infringement by playing into it somewhat.

But that's not what happened in my opinion. Lascelles didn't impede him or stop him getting a shot away, Kane decided to lean and use the contact to throw himself to the floor looking for a penalty. That contact doesn't take him down without him going looking for it.

These decisions go either way. If given I doubt VAR would have over turned it, but not a clear and obvious error.

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« Reply #787 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 05:06:48 AM »
That was one of the clearest pens I've seen. It's crazy that VAR didn't give it. Kane's natural motion is to lean in, because as a striker you lean in to push the defender away and create space for a shot. If you see every striker in the penalty area, they lean in to their defender before pulling back for a shot.

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« Reply #788 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 06:41:33 AM »
If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by making a controlled, well-timed challenge (definitively taking the ball before the man) - it's a fair challenge.

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by maneouvering his body in front of his opponent (being in control of the ball but without necessarily touching it) - it's a fair challenge.

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by literally diving headfirst in front of his opponent, not being in control of the ball, not touching the ball, whilst impeding the striker's ability to shoot - it's a foul.

If Lascelles doesn't do what he did, Kane has an opportunity to take a clean shot; but Lascelles prevents that from happening. Kane might lean into him slightly but it doesn't mean the infringement hasn't occurred. If you're a striker, I think you're probably within your right to highlight the infringement by playing into it somewhat.

But that's not what happened in my opinion. Lascelles didn't impede him or stop him getting a shot away, Kane decided to lean and use the contact to throw himself to the floor looking for a penalty. That contact doesn't take him down without him going looking for it.

These decisions go either way. If given I doubt VAR would have over turned it, but not a clear and obvious error.

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #789 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 07:21:58 AM »
You can clearly see that Kane is halfway to the floor before Lascelles makes any contact with him whatsoever like.

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #790 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 07:27:19 AM »
Did anyone see the decisions in our game against Palace? Felt it should have been a red and a penalty. Seems to the majority opinion but others have disagreed. The penalty a bit dubious I suppose but the yellow should have definitely been a red.

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #791 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 09:31:03 AM »
He dived, the c***

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #792 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 10:25:00 AM »
That was one of the clearest pens I've seen. It's crazy that VAR didn't give it. Kane's natural motion is to lean in, because as a striker you lean in to push the defender away and create space for a shot. If you see every striker in the penalty area, they lean in to their defender before pulling back for a shot.
Just because his natural motion is to lean into a defender, it doesn’t mean that he should be given a penalty when the defender isn’t there to be leaned against.

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #793 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 10:27:49 AM »
I love how the whole debate is about if Sours should have been given a penalty for a nothing decision. Yet the fact that they should have been down to 10 men late on for a late challenge by the last man. There is nothing said about the majority of tackles in from behind against Almirón.
If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors, then it was clear and obvious that they should have had a man sent off.

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« Reply #794 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 12:17:35 PM »
That was one of the clearest pens I've seen. It's crazy that VAR didn't give it. Kane's natural motion is to lean in, because as a striker you lean in to push the defender away and create space for a shot. If you see every striker in the penalty area, they lean in to their defender before pulling back for a shot.

Absolute horseshit

Wasn’t a pen at all, guy clearly dived on the replays
I did think it was definitely a pen on first viewing but you can see he’s going down before the contact
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #795 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 12:18:19 PM »
If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors

this is the main issue with it at the moment isn't it, implementation

i mean that man city goal that was disallowed, for example, was not a clear and obvious error but they decided to act on it
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« Reply #796 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 12:22:53 PM »
If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors

this is the main issue with it at the moment isn't it, implementation

i mean that man city goal that was disallowed, for example, was not a clear and obvious error but they decided to act on it

That’s because of the handball part of the law,

So in essence it was a clear error as the referee didn’t see it
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #797 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 12:25:23 PM »
Clever foul imo, I liked it
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #798 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 12:38:19 PM »
If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors

this is the main issue with it at the moment isn't it, implementation

i mean that man city goal that was disallowed, for example, was not a clear and obvious error but they decided to act on it

That’s because of the handball part of the law,

So in essence it was a clear error as the referee didn’t see it

clear and obvious is the wording, the touch with his arm was barely perceptible with VAR never mind for the ref

it was bullshit
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR)
« Reply #799 on: Monday 26 August 2019, 12:40:21 PM »
kane changed direction and dived.
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