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VAR to be used in the Premier League, are you:

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Offline ohmelads

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR) - to be used in the Premier League next season
« Reply #600 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 01:01:47 am »
I like the idea of VAR. We've got a great game administered by corrupt organisations and poor officials.

The problem is VAR is administered by the same corrupt organisations and poor officials. With regards to Newcastle, let's wait and see. This could go either way.

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« Reply #601 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 07:37:11 am »
Oh I get it now, you mentioned Newcastle United because everyone hates the club and don't give us any penalties. Yes we should definitely change the game forever because of your bizarre paranoia.

What if the people in your little cupboard hate NUFC too? Why wouldn't they?

Next season with VAR we will get more penalties and the opposition will get more Red cards than the last 2 seasons put together.

You can quote me on it :thup:

I think discussing a core rule change to the game with people whose main criteria is whether it specifically benefits their team or not is one of the more pointless exchanges I've had on here in fifteen years. Might as well discuss whether or not we should automatically disallow any goal scored past a Slovakian goalkeeper.

No disallowing it becuase they saw they had their arms(Boly) around his neck will be nice though :thup:

You know giving the Ref the best possible view to decide if it was a fair goal or not?

Wonder why Nuno Santo doesn’t want VAR :shifty:

Didn' all the experts pundits say it was a goal, that Dubs was at fault?

Offline TheNE40

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR) - to be used in the Premier League next season
« Reply #602 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 09:43:38 am »
The problem with VAR is the timing - like in the England v Holland game it takes too long to reach these decisions, and the procedure is currently communicated very poorly to spectators in the stadium and the viewers at home (we never got a full replay of the actual incident until after full time). This along with the very hardline handball directives that will be in play next season will mean there'll be a lot of penalties given (like in the UCL final) that are very harsh (but by the letter of the law are handballs). It'll cause its fair share of drama, I just hope it doesn't leave a sour taste in the mouth for everyone.

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« Reply #603 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 03:38:15 pm »
The NBA is frenetic, end to end and pretty fluid as a sport, and they use video to consult on important calls. I've been watching almost every single game of the playoffs and hasn't impeded my or any other fans' enjoyment, as far as I know. Of course, I don't know the history about how this was introduced, implemented, etc., maybe some other basketball followers can chime in.

I'm fully #TeamVAR anyways as I've been used to it in other sports I watched growing up (tennis, cricket, etc.), but I do understand some of the reservations with how it's going to be rolled out in football -- there also doesn't seem to be a coherent plan around it, in typical FA, UEFA, FIFA fashion. The initial pains will be rough but if they're willing to listen and change the process based on fans' and experts' advice as it's slowly implemented, I can see it evolving into a seamless thing in a few years.

Of course, nothing will get the naysayers on-side, and that's okay too.

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« Reply #604 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 03:39:53 pm »
It's absolutely f***ing miserable in basketball man :lol: It takes them forever and then they have to f*** around with the clock as well.

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« Reply #605 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 03:41:26 pm »
It's absolutely f***ing miserable in basketball man :lol: It takes them forever and then they have to f*** around with the clock as well.

When was it introduced? And have they taken steps to address this criticism? One thing I don't like is how long it takes, you're right, and you only see the two officials huddled around a monitor. Again, it didn't really affect my overall excitement of the game, it was a minor stoppage in play. In football, especially, watching teams like Stoke comes with far more stoppages and pain.

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« Reply #606 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 04:42:34 pm »
It's absolutely f***ing miserable in basketball man :lol: It takes them forever and then they have to f*** around with the clock as well.

When was it introduced? And have they taken steps to address this criticism? One thing I don't like is how long it takes, you're right, and you only see the two officials huddled around a monitor. Again, it didn't really affect my overall excitement of the game, it was a minor stoppage in play. In football, especially, watching teams like Stoke comes with far more stoppages and pain.

I would say that the major difference is the importance of a goal in football vs scoring in basketball. The feeling of celebrating a goal in football really isn't mimicked in basketball unless you're in buzzer beater territory, at which point the VAR/stare at the monitor process is a little more palatable anyway. VAR in it's current implementation robs the fans of really feeling that rush after their team scores. Whether it's chalked off or not.

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« Reply #607 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 07:34:04 pm »
I like the idea of VAR. We've got a great game administered by corrupt organisations and poor officials.

The problem is VAR is administered by the same corrupt organisations and poor officials. With regards to Newcastle, let's wait and see. This could go either way.

Officials will always get things wrong, or at least do things people disagree with.  Its rare people agree on here or anywhere else after seeing incidents many times over.  At least VAR removes the "ref didn't see it/was in a bad position" excuse.  It should also improve in how its used given time as well, so I'm all for it.
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Offline Teasy

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« Reply #608 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 07:38:13 pm »
It's absolutely f***ing miserable in basketball man :lol: It takes them forever and then they have to f*** around with the clock as well.

When was it introduced? And have they taken steps to address this criticism? One thing I don't like is how long it takes, you're right, and you only see the two officials huddled around a monitor. Again, it didn't really affect my overall excitement of the game, it was a minor stoppage in play. In football, especially, watching teams like Stoke comes with far more stoppages and pain.

I would say that the major difference is the importance of a goal in football vs scoring in basketball. The feeling of celebrating a goal in football really isn't mimicked in basketball unless you're in buzzer beater territory, at which point the VAR/stare at the monitor process is a little more palatable anyway. VAR in it's current implementation robs the fans of really feeling that rush after their team scores. Whether it's chalked off or not.

I never feel that rush about us scoring in the moment even without VAR, because I always expect our goals to be disallowed.  I mean even our penalties get f***ing disallowed after we score FFS!
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Offline Segun Oluwaniyi

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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR) - to be used in the Premier League next season
« Reply #609 on: Tuesday 11 June 2019, 08:08:42 pm »
It's absolutely f***ing miserable in basketball man :lol: It takes them forever and then they have to f*** around with the clock as well.

When was it introduced? And have they taken steps to address this criticism? One thing I don't like is how long it takes, you're right, and you only see the two officials huddled around a monitor. Again, it didn't really affect my overall excitement of the game, it was a minor stoppage in play. In football, especially, watching teams like Stoke comes with far more stoppages and pain.
To echo the previous comment, review in basketball is awful. The delays take far too long for fairly unimportant decisions, and just like football we are now stuck with reviewing the intent of someone's arm position when they are quickly moving in tight areas or zooming in to molecular level to see if the ball clipped someone's fingertip, well beyond anything the naked eye could interpret. They limit a lot of this to the last two minutes of the game or half, just to limit the annoyance of seeing a 47 year old part-time worker from Baton Rouge, Louisiana attempt to decipher how many tenths of a second are left, whether a small part of the ball was still in the cylinder, and other minutiae of a game that is played a very high speed. The quality and fairness of officiating has also not improved with review, imo.

Basketball and football are both games that are primarily enjoyable to watch and play because of the free-flowing and creative nature of the games. Review interruptions are more harmful here than other sports.


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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR) - to be used in the Premier League next season
« Reply #610 on: Wednesday 12 June 2019, 08:31:46 am »
:lol:

Love the theory of VAR.

Cannot see a version of it that I think would be acceptable in the game. It actively detracts from the enjoyment of the game. Right decision or not. Which is often still debatable.

Technology needs to come a long way for me not to hate it. The only thing I think they could feasibly do anytime soon is have offside be adjudged by a robot lino. Other than that, nee chance VAR can be implemented in a manner that isn't tiresome as f***.

This is the start and the finish of it for me, really. Nice idea, pity it can't be involved in a practical way that doesn't diminish the sport as a spectacle.

I've also seen how terrible VAR can be when the most awful version of it was implemented in the Australian A-League.

As for the continuous clock, I often compare the play (i.e. tactics and movement) of Australian Football to real football to outsiders, and they stop the clock in a way that positively effects the play. It's certainly a more fair comparison than league, which is about as stop-start as sport gets. Does Gaelic football use a continuous, or stopped, clock?
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Re: Video Assistant Referees (VAR) - to be used in the Premier League next season
« Reply #611 on: Wednesday 12 June 2019, 09:53:46 am »
:lol:

Love the theory of VAR.

Cannot see a version of it that I think would be acceptable in the game. It actively detracts from the enjoyment of the game. Right decision or not. Which is often still debatable.

Technology needs to come a long way for me not to hate it. The only thing I think they could feasibly do anytime soon is have offside be adjudged by a robot lino. Other than that, nee chance VAR can be implemented in a manner that isn't tiresome as f***.

This is the start and the finish of it for me, really. Nice idea, pity it can't be involved in a practical way that doesn't diminish the sport as a spectacle.

I've also seen how terrible VAR can be when the most awful version of it was implemented in the Australian A-League.

As for the continuous clock, I often compare the play (i.e. tactics and movement) of Australian Football to real football to outsiders, and they stop the clock in a way that positively effects the play. It's certainly a more fair comparison than league, which is about as stop-start as sport gets. Does Gaelic football use a continuous, or stopped, clock?
Continuous. My issue with a stopped clock is that I think it would lead to longer stoppages as there isn't the need to get it back started as quickly as possible
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« Reply #612 on: Wednesday 12 June 2019, 10:03:06 am »

Continuous. My issue with a stopped clock is that I think it would lead to longer stoppages as there isn't the need to get it back started as quickly as possible

In AFL there is a "shot clock" for what is (I guess) the equivalent of free kicks (which could also be applied to throw ins).

I'm not all-in for a stopped clock, and I can't see FIFA or UEFA ever going for it, just saying there is a comparable sport that works in a way that could be translated to football
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So yesterday, France got to retake a missed penalty because the Nigerian keeper was an inch off her line thanks to VAR. However, on the retake, a French player encroached by a yard but it wasn't retaken (or given a free kick to Nigeria, as would be the Championship protocol). Glad that VAR is making things fair, and I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the host nation gets the advantage here.

Offline LFEE

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So yesterday, France got to retake a missed penalty because the Nigerian keeper was an inch off her line thanks to VAR. However, on the retake, a French player encroached by a yard but it wasn't retaken (or given a free kick to Nigeria, as would be the Championship protocol). Glad that VAR is making things fair, and I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the host nation gets the advantage here.

Not only that but the first penalty wasn’t saved it actually missed the target.

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So yesterday, France got to retake a missed penalty because the Nigerian keeper was an inch off her line thanks to VAR. However, on the retake, a French player encroached by a yard but it wasn't retaken (or given a free kick to Nigeria, as would be the Championship protocol). Glad that VAR is making things fair, and I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the host nation gets the advantage here.

On average it is :thup:

Impossible for VAR to get everything right with the stupidity of some of the Refs using it.

VAR is all about improving the ratio which it is thankfully.

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So yesterday, France got to retake a missed penalty because the Nigerian keeper was an inch off her line thanks to VAR. However, on the retake, a French player encroached by a yard but it wasn't retaken (or given a free kick to Nigeria, as would be the Championship protocol). Glad that VAR is making things fair, and I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the host nation gets the advantage here.

On average it is :thup:

Impossible for VAR to get everything right with the stupidity of some of the Refs using it.

VAR is all about improving the ratio which it is thankfully.
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Offline Johneddy

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So yesterday, France got to retake a missed penalty because the Nigerian keeper was an inch off her line thanks to VAR. However, on the retake, a French player encroached by a yard but it wasn't retaken (or given a free kick to Nigeria, as would be the Championship protocol). Glad that VAR is making things fair, and I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the host nation gets the advantage here.

On average it is :thup:

Impossible for VAR to get everything right with the stupidity of some of the Refs using it.

VAR is all about improving the ratio which it is thankfully.

I agree and even 'when' it pisses us off royally next season if it was a correct decision we can live with losing the odd goal knowing it has happened to Liverpool and City too. Our home game against Liverpool was in fact 2-2 and maybe next year VAR helps the small teams live with the biggies.

How many goals would Manure have lost in this last 30 years with VAR - a damn site more than most due to Fergies intimidation etc.

More penalties next season though I reckon...watch what you're doing in your own box...The Hills Have Eyes.
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Just seen the penalty in the France Nigeria game. :mackems:
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