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Title: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 5 January 2014, 12:39:14 pm
With our exit from the FA Cup the season is more or less over for our fringe players now as they won't be getting any regular time in the Premier League squad.

You could argue that our squad is too big now for the number of games we have left to play (although it is mainly a case of quantity and not quality).

NUFC need to try to loan out Sammy Ameobi, Bigirimana, Good and the other young players. They won't get any better playing in the under 21s and they rarely make the 1st team bench.

Mike Ashley will probably demand that we offload players before we bring any new players in. NUFC therefore need to try to sell Gosling, Marveaux, Gutierrez and Obertan. They have barely played this season and if Pardew isn't going to use them NUFC might as well try to move them on and then hopefully buy someone who will get a game.

It will make no logical sense if NUFC don't get a new striker this transfer window. I can't see much transfer activity happening in the Summer transfer window until the World Cup has finished. There's also the risk that if your transfer target has a good World Cup his price goes up. Unless our targets are on free transfers in the Summer it would probably be cheaper to buy them now.

If by the Summer Cisse is our only striker it puts NUFC in a very weak negotiating position when we try to buy another clubs striker. They will know we are desperate and will charge accordingly. No doubt NUFC will then refuse to pay and we'll struggle to get a striker never mind the two we'll need.

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Using http://www.nufc.com/2013-14html/squad.html and looking at our squad, the following NUFC players are out of contract in Summer 2014: -
Loic Remy (Loan)
Dan Gosling
Shola Ameobi
Conor Newton
Remie Streete
Steven Logan
Michael Richardson

The following players NUFC contracts end in Summer 2015: -
Ryan Taylor
Jonas Gutierrez
Samuel Ameobi
James Tavernier
Jak Alnwick

We know Mike Ashley likes to get a fee for players when they are coming to the end of their contract and NUFC don't want to keep them.

The following players are currently loaned out to other clubs: -
James Tavernier
Haris Vuckic
Shane Ferguson
Dan Gosling
Michael Richardson
Conor Newton
Romain Amalfitano
Mehdi Abeid
Adam Campbell

There's a good few of those who will never make it into our first team. I'm sure NUFC would be happy to sell most of them.

NUFC are going to have to go shopping for players in the next two transfer windows to make up for the players who will leave or who NUFC want to try to move on.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 5 January 2014, 12:50:21 pm
It will make no logical sense if NUFC don't get a new striker this transfer window.

stopped reading here tbh
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Friday 31 January 2014, 10:02:55 pm
Well, the January transfer window has been a failure (unless de Jong turns out really well). The Summer transfer window is going to be hard work. The number of players leaving and the number of players the club don't want any more is high. Trying to get players during a World Cup Summer transfer window is never easy. Players playing in the World Cup tend to go on holiday afterwards so there's even less time to sort out their transfer.

http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/pardew-got-build-another-team-summer-jfk-plan-buy-1-2-players-season-newcastle-united-squad/

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Alan Pardew

“I already think that I have built 2 teams here, firstly the one with Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse.

“Then you could argue that the back end of last season and this one, I’ve built another team with Gouffran, Remy, Cabaye and Sissoko.

“Now I have to go and build another one this summer.

“Summer’s going to be very important because of the players we have with 2 years left on their contract and the situation within the group.

“We have got a very young team and it turns over quickly at Newcastle, you need to have a clear mind where you are going with it.

“Not even my ego would have envisaged the building of 3 teams.

“I assumed that I would build one but I have always had a vision of how I want to play and we have worked towards that.

“If we don’t replace Cabaye we might have to change the style of play a bit because of the personnel I have available.”
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: alexthegreat on Saturday 15 February 2014, 10:05:20 pm
There's going to be a lot to do this summer.

Jonas, Ameobi, Gosling – contracts expire this summer
Ben Arfa – one year left on deal, looks likely to leave
Marveaux , Obertan, Cisse – could easily see all three leaving
Coloccini – clearly wants to go back to Argentina
Remy, De Jong – not our players
Can’t see any of our loan players making the grade – maybe Tavernier and Good still have a slight chance. It’s surely still too soon for Campbell as well. Ryan Taylor is unlikely to play for us again.


Potentially that leaves a 1st team squad of:

Krul Elliot Alnwick

Haidera Debuchy Williamson Mbwia Taylor Santon Dummett

Sissoko Anita Tiote Bigirimana

Sammy Gouffran

Let's hope Mike splashes the cash this summer.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Wallace on Saturday 15 February 2014, 11:04:54 pm
There's going to be a lot to do this summer.

Jonas, Ameobi, Gosling – contracts expire this summer
Ben Arfa – one year left on deal, looks likely to leave
Marveaux , Obertan, Cisse – could easily see all three leaving
Coloccini – clearly wants to go back to Argentina
Remy, De Jong – not our players
Can’t see any of our loan players making the grade – maybe Tavernier and Good still have a slight chance. It’s surely still too soon for Campbell as well. Ryan Taylor is unlikely to play for us again.


Potentially that leaves a 1st team squad of:

Krul Elliot Alnwick

Haidera Debuchy Williamson Mbwia Taylor Santon Dummett

Sissoko Anita Tiote Bigirimana

Sammy Gouffran

Let's hope Mike splashes the cash this summer.

And if the club don't do anything quickly to show some ambition, I can imagine Krul and  Debuchy going.  There have also been rumours about clubs being interested in Tiote  and the return to Italy stories for Santon never go away.

I think they are going to have no choice but to buy some players but whether they are what we need and of a good enough standard is another matter.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 16 February 2014, 10:20:43 am
Jonas Gutierrez contract runs out in Summer 2015.

My view is Mike Ashley is going to have to spend big this Summer (or sell the club to someone who will). If he doesn't there is a good chance NUFC will be relegated. £70m TV money is reliant on being in the Premiership. It would be cheaper for Mike Ashley to spend £69m on players and wages in the Summer than to risk relegation. NUFC is an asset to Ashley. If NUFC get relegated the value of his asset will plummet. Logic dictates that he has to spend big. I acknowledge logic doesn't always seem to come into Ashley's thinking so he may not spend big.

We need fire power and that costs big money. We need to buy strikers. We need to buy goal scoring and creating midfielders. We need to buy players who can take a free kick.

They better be working on those deals now. Don't wait until the transfer window has been open a few weeks. Arrange to buy Rémy Cabella AND Clement Grenier before the transfer window opens. If we can't buy them move on to someone else off Graham Carr's list.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Sunday 16 February 2014, 11:20:18 am
If I was the owner of a club and I wanted to sell it, I would sell my best players and then get in loans to fill the gaps in the squad.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LRD on Sunday 16 February 2014, 12:03:59 pm
If I was the owner of a club and I wanted to sell it, I would sell my best players and then get in loans to fill the gaps in the squad.

You would also have to be content with a lower asking price though. There's no way your average buyer would pay you the same rate for a depleted squad.
Title: What sort of players do we NEED to get in the Summer?
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 17 March 2014, 12:20:11 pm
What sort of players do you think we NEED to get in the Summer? I'm not talking about nice to haves, I'm talking about need to haves so we aren't relegated.

Free kick and corner taking specialist
We need to buy at least one player who can take a decent free kick. Ideally we'd buy more than one. I remember the days when we had Solano, Robert and Shearer standing over the ball when we won a free kick. With Cabaye sold we don't have a free kick specialist (apart from the injured Ryan Taylor who wouldn't be a first choice player anyway). Currently when we get a free kick in a dangerous position it goes to waste. It seems since Cabaye was sold just about every player has had a go at taking a free kick or corner.

Strikers
At the moment we have Remy on loan as our only reliable goal threat. Unfortunately he is unlikely to stay. Even if he does stay we would just be standing still. Without him we fall backwards. Shola is a non-goal scoring striker who is out of contract in the Summer. Cisse is completely out of form and has been for some time. Luuk de Jong is on loan. He hasn't had a good season for 2 years. He has until the end of the season to prove himself worthy of buying. We have Gouffran, a forward who plays on the wing. I think he has only played once as an out and out striker for NUFC. After them are the likes of Adam Armstrong and Adam Campbell (currently not getting a start for St.Mirren).

We desperately need to get goal scoring strikers. I shouldn't really need to say "goal scoring" striker as scoring goals is the strikers job description. It's just at the moment we have a lot of strikers who don't score goals. Without Remy we are toothless. If we sign Remy we also need another goal scorer as cover for when Remy is injured or out of form. If we don't sign Remy we need to buy at least two strikers.

Creative Midfielders
We don't really have any wingers which makes our the job of our strikers more difficult. We don't have any players who can beat a man and then cross the ball into the box. If we decided to only play with one out and out striker then we would need better attacking options from the midfield. Cabaye needs to be replaced.

Defence
Coloccini isn't getting any younger. He seems to be getting injured more frequently. That's before we consider whether he wants to leave or not. Another right back would be good for when Debuchy isn't fit. At the moment we play Yanga-Mbiwa at right back when Debuchy is out and Yanga-Mbiwa is not a right back.

Goal Keeper
Krul knows he will start every game he is fit. He needs some real competition to push him.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: TRon on Monday 17 March 2014, 12:30:26 pm
I think the main concern for next season has to be to recruit some genuine quality up front and some players who can offer genuine width. We will need to do that so we can ensure staying in the division. With those additions, it doesn't really matter what Pardew does week to week as the players themselves should be able to pick up enough points. It goes without saying of course, that we should not expect anything more than a top 10 finish, because that would require spending more on players we genuinely need rather than good value players. Also we would need to invest in a quality manager who could shape a team and give them direction and none of these things are going to happen.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ryan on Monday 17 March 2014, 12:43:59 pm
We need to do everything possible to get Remy to stay, he's so important to us. It's so obvious we won't though :(
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 17 March 2014, 01:41:34 pm
decide on a way of playing and go with it, for example don't sign a striker like de jong if we don't intend to sign anyone who can f***ing cross a ball to him

Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: nufc4eva on Monday 17 March 2014, 01:53:49 pm
We need at least one out and out winger, 2 strikers and a attacking mid. We could also do with some young players stepping up / buy a few squad players. I would sell the following:

- Obertan
- Steven Taylor
- Marveaux
- Gosling
- Cisse
- Santon/Haidara/Dummet - one of these

Maybe look to bring in a few british players if possible to balance out the team. Would like to see players playing at high tempo and getting at teams from every angle. We seem to dilly dally on the ball, mainly because we don't drive at team enough and create space. We need Sissokho breaking at teams with quick skillful players around him, always breaking with at least 3 or 4 of the team.

I wouldn't be totally against us being a direct team if we had the wingers and strikers to support this, we just need to be more of a threat going forward. Happy to have 2 holding midfielders with 4 in front of them having a go.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 17 March 2014, 02:06:08 pm
I don't know how you lot have the energy.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 17 March 2014, 03:25:03 pm
I don't know how you lot have the energy.
My post was about the sort of players we need to avoid being in a relegation scrap next season. It's not what I think we will get. I cancelled my season ticket a few days after Cabaye was sold when it became obvious no replacement would arrive. I have very little hope that what needs to happen in the Summer will happen. As I said earlier in the thread though it makes no logical sense for Mike Ashley not to spend: -

My view is Mike Ashley is going to have to spend big this Summer (or sell the club to someone who will). If he doesn't there is a good chance NUFC will be relegated. £70m TV money is reliant on being in the Premiership. It would be cheaper for Mike Ashley to spend £69m on players and wages in the Summer than to risk relegation. NUFC is an asset to Ashley. If NUFC get relegated the value of his asset will plummet. Logic dictates that he has to spend big. I acknowledge logic doesn't always seem to come into Ashley's thinking so he may not spend big.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 17 March 2014, 04:12:55 pm
Ashley will do what's always done.

The bare minimum necessary to protect his investment.... which surprise surprise will put the team in relegation trouble next season.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Lotus on Monday 17 March 2014, 04:30:35 pm
Would think Debuchey will have told his agent to find a new club. I reckon if we can get our money back then we'll let him go.

Would also think MYM could be off. Pardew doesn't rate him so it would be better to sell him nsoon and see if Fat Bashley will reinvest any of that in CB  he does want. Tomkins for example.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Monday 17 March 2014, 04:56:53 pm
Need:
- Keeper competition for Tim Krul
- Towering, Commanding and Organizing CB
- Right Back as a squad player / competition for Debuchy
- LW / RW - genuine wingers or wide midfielders who can cross and have pace
- Creative Attacking Midfielder - one who can unlock defenses with a pass, has genuine dribbling ability in and around the box, and has an eye for goal.
- Strikers (3) - Yes, we need at least 3.

By my count, that could be as many 10 new players. :lol:

Honestly, our squad is pretty worthless. We're only as good as whichever 1-3 players are on top form to get a result for us.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: NewJerseyMag on Monday 17 March 2014, 05:01:10 pm
We're doomed Capt Mainwaring, doomed.

If the FCB doesn't spend big, especially on  a striker, we've had it next season. We have Remy and he went to QPR for $$$. Give him a large pay packet and he would stay.... he has previous.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Shayno on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 03:17:17 am
Ashley didn't back Pardew last time, why would he this summer?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 03:35:57 am
it's interesting the amount of people already acknowledging that we're almost certainly going to have a s*** season next year when we're in 9th place :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Conjo on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 08:54:19 am
Need:
- Keeper competition for Tim Krul Alnwick
- Towering, Commanding and Organizing CB Williamson
- Right Back as a squad player / competition for Debuchy Santon
- LW / RW - genuine wingers or wide midfielders who can cross and have pace Obertan, Ben Arfa, Raylor, Sissoko, Ferguson, Sammy, Gutierrez
- Creative Attacking Midfielder - one who can unlock defenses with a pass, has genuine dribbling ability in and around the box, and has an eye for goal. Can he tackle? Didn't think so. Next!
- Strikers (3) - Yes, we need at least 3. Cisse, Campbell, Armstrong, Ameobi for one more year

By my count, that could be as many 10 new players. :lol:

Honestly, our squad is pretty worthless. We're only as good as whichever 1-3 players are on top form to get a result for us.

What's the problem?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 11:51:53 am
it's interesting the amount of people already acknowledging that we're almost certainly going to have a s*** season next year when we're in 9th place :lol:
Two major reasons why we are currently 9th in the league and not fighting relegation are Remy and Cabaye. We've already sold Cabaye and it's unlikely Remy will be here next season. When Remy doesn't play we don't score. NUFC have not bought any players for two transfer windows. There are my reasons for assuming next season will be s***.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 12:11:13 pm
it's interesting the amount of people already acknowledging that we're almost certainly going to have a s*** season next year when we're in 9th place :lol:
Two major reasons why we are currently 9th in the league and not fighting relegation are Remy and Cabaye. We've already sold Cabaye and it's unlikely Remy will be here next season. When Remy doesn't play we don't score. NUFC have not bought any players for two transfer windows. There are my reasons for assuming next season will be s***.

Naw I know, I'm more surprised how many people are on the same page. A few were shot down when saying the same after finishing 5th.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 12:19:25 pm
If the club want to finish in the same sweet spot next year they'll have to invest this summer. Not too much though, obviously.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 12:22:04 pm
Would be genuinely surprised if we see more than 3 'senior' signings this summer.

I can foresee a couple of moderately priced ones coming in, another season's loan of someone, a few in the Bigi/Good mould and that'll be our lot IMO.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 12:22:20 pm
Seriously though, I do wonder what difference it'll make not having an MD (or conversely a laughable 'Director of Football') above the manager this time. If any.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 12:23:24 pm
Seriously though, I do wonder what difference it'll make not having an MD (or conversely a laughable 'Director of Football') above the manager this time. If any.

You'd like to think that not having Kinnear in there would improve things. It gives Charnley a bigger workload, and even though I don't know the fellow whatsoever, I'd wager big money on him being far more capable than that p*ssed up old f***.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 01:34:21 pm
I'd be more than happy with a Remy replacement and the rest of any investment put into the coaching department, from manager and below. If our policy is so driven towards the development squad/saving/increasing player values, it seems so counter-productive having our w*** coaching staff. Especially seeing as we're revamping the facilities, which is a good start, but almost seems like they're missing the big picture.

Think how many young players we've signed since Ashley arrived; have we got anything out of any of them? Be it profit or actual pitch contributions, save for some token cup appearances?

If we built a great side out of our youngsters - with minimal, sensible investment in key areas - I would be ecstatic. We'd have a real connection to the squad as supporters, and it would be a brilliant middle-finger to the rest of the sport, where clubs spend hundreds of millions cherry-picking title-winners. But we're miles away from that scenario. The scouting system is one bloke in one country, and the coaching staff are rubbish when young lads actually arrive.

Like I've said before, I would be a supporter of our basic ethos surrounding investment if it weren't for two or three glaring and ridiculously counter-productive problems.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 01:36:50 pm
Be an interesting summer you'd imagine. Given us, Spurs, Everton (if they lose loanees), Man United, mackems will likely need/want significant numbers of players.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 02:10:15 pm
Be an interesting summer you'd imagine. Given us, Spurs, Everton (if they lose loanees), Man United, mackems will likely need/want significant numbers of players.
post world cup summers can be a bit daft too. In an ideal world you'd hope they get most of the business done before it but thats not likely.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 02:12:12 pm
Seriously though, I do wonder what difference it'll make not having an MD (or conversely a laughable 'Director of Football') above the manager this time. If any.
I'd wonder who in gods name is making the final decision on signing or selling players since its not Ashley as his day to day involvement is limited at best.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 04:01:27 pm
I'd be more than happy with a Remy replacement and the rest of any investment put into the coaching department, from manager and below.

Replacing Remy will be next to impossible unless we want to seriously change our buying policy. £8m wouldn't normally buy you a striker of that quality and the difficulty in doing those sort of deals is clear enough by the fact we haven't managed to secure this one and are unlikely to do so. On the other hand Ashley will be taking a massive risk of flirting with relegation if he can't bring in a genuine goal scorer. For £8m you get Luuk De Jong calibre players and we got turned over by the worst team in the league with one of them up front.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 18 March 2014, 04:31:13 pm
I'm sure QPR will be hoping he doesn't join us so they can bag more $$$ from him.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: alexthegreat on Friday 23 May 2014, 01:13:04 am
the squad looks absolutely dreadful at the moment. Aside from a few youth team players with squad numbers there's the following 29 players:

Krul Elliott
Santon Debuchy Haidera Dummett Williamson Coloccini Mbwia Taylor Taylor Tavernier Good
Jonas Vuckic Abeid Tiote Anita Marveaux Bigirimana Sammy Ferguson Sissoko BenArfa Obertan
Armstrong Campbell Cisse Gouffran

Around half of that lot would not look out of place in the Championship or lower, there's barely any goals or creativity from anywhere, and if Debuchy and Ben Arfa go then there's almost no quality players anywhere either.

If Ashley is serious about pursuing his dream of a side that finishes in the top 10 every year then he will have to match the likes of Swansea and Southampton and buy a couple of forwards for £10m+, otherwise I cannot see any way that we will manage a top half finish.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: leffe186 on Friday 23 May 2014, 01:24:28 am
Be an interesting summer you'd imagine. Given us, Spurs, Everton (if they lose loanees), Man United, mackems will likely need/want significant numbers of players.

We don't need/want many really, we just need a proper coach. Of course, a new coach will probably want to make an impact by bringing one or two in, but the only position we really have an issue with is left back.

Actually, that puts us in direct conflict with (Pard)you. Scratch what I said.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: ben-nufc on Friday 23 May 2014, 01:55:13 am
the squad looks absolutely dreadful at the moment. Aside from a few youth team players with squad numbers there's the following 29 players:

Krul Elliott
Santon Debuchy Haidera Dummett Williamson Coloccini Mbwia Raylor Saylor Tavernier Good
Jonas Vuckic Abeid Tiote Anita Marveaux Bigirimana Sammy Ferguson Sissoko BenArfa Obertan
Armstrong Campbell Cisse Gouffran

Around half of that lot would not look out of place in the Championship or lower, there's barely any goals or creativity from anywhere, and if Debuchy and Ben Arfa go then there's almost no quality players anywhere either.

If Ashley is serious about pursuing his dream of a side that finishes in the top 10 every year then he will have to match the likes of Swansea and Southampton and buy a couple of forwards for £10m+, otherwise I cannot see any way that we will manage a top half finish.
Need shifting/nowhere near good enough. We need 4/5 good players 1/2 wingers, 2 strikers and a creative influence in midfield. I think our defence is ok, midfield as a base isn't bad, just more numbers/creativity needed and clearly we're desperate up front.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Friday 23 May 2014, 05:56:31 am
Take out krul, Colo, debuchy, tiote and barfa ( all if who we could lose thus summer ) and that squad has relegation wriiten all over it .

Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: loki679 on Friday 23 May 2014, 07:06:15 am
So Pardew's done a pretty good job to get that squad top half.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 19 January 2015, 11:44:02 am
Here we are again then. January and out the cups. We've got players in and around the first team who are coming to the end of their contracts this Summer and more than likely won't be getting a new contract.

The contracts of Ryan Taylor, Jonas Gutierrez, Sammy Ameobi, Jak Alnwick, Remie Streete, Adam Campbell and Lubomir Satka all expire in June 2015. Will any of them get offered a new contract? Sammy is the most likely but it's far from certain.

Now as we know, where possible, Mike Ashley prefers to sell players before they enter the last year of their contracts. The contracts of Fabricio Coloccini, Davide Santon, Mike Williamson, Rob Elliot, Haris Vučkić, Gabriel Obertan, Steven Taylor, Mehdi Abeid, Shane Ferguson, Sylvain Marveaux, Kevin Mbabu and Alex Gilliead all expire in June 2016. Out of all those players I could only see the club wanting to offer Abeid a new contract (depending on how he plays for the rest of the season). Santon and S.Taylor could get new contracts but their injury records aren't good.

Contract end dates taken from: -
http://www.nufc.com/2014-15html/squad.html

There's also the players there have been stories about in the media saying they want to leave - Tiote, Sissoko and Cissé.

If we manage to stay in the Premiership it should be a busy Summer of player recruitment.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Anderson on Monday 19 January 2015, 11:46:31 am
Isn't Aarons' contract up soon?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Heron on Monday 19 January 2015, 11:47:08 am
How f***ing depressing.  :jesuswept:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 19 January 2015, 11:47:58 am
Isn't Aarons' contract up soon?
Nufc.com don't have details. I think it has been said his contract runs until June 2016.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: GeordieT on Monday 19 January 2015, 11:49:40 am
Isn't Aarons' contract up soon?

Next year I think.

Of the ones expiring this summer, I would probably offer short, one year extensions to Sammy and Satka.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 19 January 2015, 11:53:59 am
Know nowt about Satka but I'd give Sammy an extension. Couldn't blame him for wanting to move on, though.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Heron on Monday 19 January 2015, 12:01:58 pm
Know nowt about Satka but I'd give Sammy an extension. Couldn't blame him for wanting to move on, though.

A short one at that? Don't care about your sex life though... :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 19 January 2015, 12:11:56 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Monday 19 January 2015, 03:29:34 pm
what's truly frightening is with all of these expiring contracts in the next 6-12 months, we've got even bigger s*** storm of even more p*ss poor players under contract or in the youth who are just not good enough.

We've got an awful makeup of our squad which hasn't been addressed what-so-ever. Those we sign for "development" squad are seemingly stagnated by the awful coaching or have already been moved on ffs.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Monday 19 January 2015, 04:50:07 pm
Says a lot that out of those listed (2015 and 2016) I'd probably only be really irked if Abeid left, and even he has barely done owt. What a shower of s***.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: La Parka on Monday 19 January 2015, 05:28:28 pm
Sad reading!  Hopefully we get someone with skills in youth development or there will be massive holes to plug.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Monday 19 January 2015, 06:50:20 pm
Says a lot that out of those listed (2015 and 2016) I'd probably only be really irked if Abeid left, and even he has barely done owt. What a shower of s***.

Same.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 13 February 2015, 05:04:03 pm
While I'm fantasizing, as I tend to do when I should instead be productive, I decided to comb through the squad and determine who I'd dump completely. Because why not. It's fun to dream.

Goalkeepers

Jak Alnwick

Defenders

Mike Williamson
Steven Taylor
Fabricio Coloccini
Ryan Taylor

Midfielders

Cheick Tiote
Jack Colback
Jonas Gutierrez
Gabriel Obertan

Forwards

Emmanuel Riviere
Yoan Gouffran


Leaving us with, for next season...

GK: Tim Krul, Karl Darlow, Rob Elliot, (Freddie Woodman)

LB: Massadio Haidara, Davide Santon, (Shane Ferguson)
CB: Paul Dummett, Jamaal Lascelles, (Curtis Good, Remi Streete, Lubomir Satka, Kevin Mbabu)
RB: Daryl Janmaat

CM: Moussa Sissoko, Vurnon Anita, Mehdi Abeid, (Gael Bigirimana, Olivier Kemen)
AM: Siem de Jong, Sylvain Marveaux, Haris Vuckic

F: Remy Cabella, Rolando Aarons, Sammy Ameobi, Adam Armstrong
ST: Papiss Cisse, Ayoze Perez, (Adam Campbell, Callum Roberts)


Obviously I don't expect to see the likes of Marveaux or Santon in a Newcastle kit again, and players like Sissoko and Cisse could easily be sold on in the summer.

So by my count, in this fantasy world in which we have competent ownership and management, we'd need 2 starting CBs, a fullback, a CM, and a striker. At the very least.

:yao:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 13 February 2015, 09:56:17 pm
Our refusal to buy players two summers in a row has left the squad in a total mess, like.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Belfast Boy on Saturday 14 February 2015, 03:21:53 pm
While I'm fantasizing, as I tend to do when I should instead be productive, I decided to comb through the squad and determine who I'd dump completely. Because why not. It's fun to dream.

Goalkeepers

Jak Alnwick

Defenders

Mike Williamson
Steven Taylor
Fabricio Coloccini
Ryan Taylor

Midfielders

Cheick Tiote
Jack Colback
Jonas Gutierrez
Gabriel Obertan

Forwards

Emmanuel Riviere
Yoan Gouffran


Leaving us with, for next season...

GK: Tim Krul, Karl Darlow, Rob Elliot, (Freddie Woodman)

LB: Massadio Haidara, Davide Santon, (Shane Ferguson)
CB: Paul Dummett, Jamaal Lascelles, (Curtis Good, Remi Streete, Lubomir Satka, Kevin Mbabu)
RB: Daryl Janmaat

CM: Moussa Sissoko, Vurnon Anita, Mehdi Abeid, (Gael Bigirimana, Olivier Kemen)
AM: Siem de Jong, Sylvain Marveaux, Haris Vuckic

F: Remy Cabella, Rolando Aarons, Sammy Ameobi, Adam Armstrong
ST: Papiss Cisse, Ayoze Perez, (Adam Campbell, Callum Roberts)


Obviously I don't expect to see the likes of Marveaux or Santon in a Newcastle kit again, and players like Sissoko and Cisse could easily be sold on in the summer.

So by my count, in this fantasy world in which we have competent ownership and management, we'd need 2 starting CBs, a fullback, a CM, and a striker. At the very least.

:yao:

What is your thinking behind keeping Elliot?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 14 February 2015, 03:24:09 pm

What is your thinking behind keeping Elliot?

He'd be a better 3rd-choice keeper than Alnwick? :dontknow:

Though I suppose I should've just sacked him off with everyone else, I wasn't worried about depth at any other position. :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 15 March 2015, 05:51:18 pm
Our squad has no strength in depth. The first 11 isn't even that good apart from a few players.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 1 April 2015, 05:08:03 pm
It's that time again.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/full-list-who-newcastle-united-8956158

Quote
A full list of who Newcastle United could sign on a free in the summer

16:18, 31 March 2015
By Lee Ryder

Here's a full list of who Newcastle United could sign on a free in the summer - and who they face losing if they don't agree terms.

Newcastle United are yet to decide whether to hand players such as Jonas Gutierrez, Ryan Taylor and Sammy Ameobi a new deal.

The Magpies will sit down with the clutch of first team players who are out of contract at the end of the current campaign.

However, this summer the Premier League will see a host of stars available on a free transfer.

Here is a list of players up for grabs this summer –as well as the players who could leave Newcastle.

Arsenal: -
Mikel Arteta
Abou Diaby
Samuel Galindo
Semi Ajayi

Aston Villa: -
Ron Vlaar
Chris Herd
Benjamin Siegrist
Graham Burke
Lewis Kinsella
Darren Bent
Enda Stevens

Burnley: -
Steven Reid
Michael Duff
Dean Marney
Ross Wallace
Danny Ings
Tom Anderson
Luke Conlan
Jadan Hall
Cameron Howieson
Conor Mitchell
Alex Whitmore
Daniel Nizic

Chelsea: -
Didier Drogba
John Swift
Gael Kakuta

Crystal Palace: -
Damien Delaney
Jerome Thomas
Shola Ameobi
Brede Hangeland
Julián Speroni
Owen Garvan
Kwesi Appiah
Kyle De Silva
Ghassimu Sow
Hiram Boateng
Peter Ramage
Stephen Dobbie
Lewis Hiram

Everton: -
Sylvain Distin
Antolín Alcaraz
Luke Garbutt
Gethin Jones
Duffus Courtney
Conor Grant
Chris Long

Hull City: -
Steve Harper
Liam Rosenior
Paul McShane
Alex Bruce
Maynor Figueroa
Joe Dudgeon
Stepehn Quinn
Mark Oxley
Conor Townsend

Leicester City: -
Dean Hammond
Paul Konchesky
Matthew Upson
Marcin Wasilewski
Esteban Cambiasso
Conrad Logan
Zoumana Bagayoko

Liverpool: -
Glen Johnson
Kolo Toure
John Flanagan
Brad Smith
Brad Jones

Man City: -
Richard Wright
James Milner
Micah Richards
George Evans
Devante Cole
John Guidetti
Greg Leigh
Nana

Man United: -
James Weir
James Wilson
Andreas Pereira
Ben Amos
Tom Cleverley

Newcastle United: -
Ryan Taylor
Jonas Gutierrez
Sammy Ameobi
Adam Campbell
Remie Streete

QPR: -
Clint Hill
Bobby Zamora
Brian Murphy
Richard Dunne
Shaun Wright-Phillips
Rio Ferdinand
Karl Henry

Southampton: -
Jack Sinclair
Coady Cropper
Omar Rowe
Artur Boruc
Jos Hooiveld

Stoke City: -
Thomas Sorensen
Andy Wilkinson
Peter Odemwingie
Wilson Palacios
Joel Taylor
Adam Thomas
Alex Grant

Sunderland: -
Wes Brown
Anthony Réveillère
Tom Robson
Joel Dixon
George Honeyman
Carl Lawson
Peter Burke

Swansea City: -
Gerhard Tremmel
Curtis Obeng
David Cornell
Lee Lucas
Kurtis March
James Loveridge
Raheem Hanley

Tottenham: -
Shaq Coulthirst
Dominic Ball
Grant Hall
Jordan Archer

West Brom: -
Chris Baird
Claudio Yacob
Adil Nabi
Alex Jones
Daniel Barrow
Mani O’Sullivan

West Ham: -
Jussi Jaaskelainen
Carlton Cole
Guy Demel
Nene
Morgan Amalfitano
Sebastian Lletget
Danny Potts
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Klaus on Thursday 2 April 2015, 05:18:49 am
Shola available on a free  :yao: bargain
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Thursday 2 April 2015, 05:40:35 am
So Ryder is already peddling stories about free transfers it would have made much better reading if he printed a story about u21 players that are highly rated across Europe at lower clubs that could be bought, but I suppose that takes research, a bit of proper journalism and football knowledge . ah well I suppose a good copy and paste from the premier league website makes just as good reading .
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: La Parka on Thursday 2 April 2015, 08:04:37 am
Darren Bent
Danny Ings
Luke Garbutt
John Flanagan
James Milner
Micah Richards
John Guidetti
James Wilson
Tom Cleverly
Andy Wilkinson

All kinda realistic. Imagine milner coming back :lol: (Realistic for the club to aspire to sign, not necessarily my choice)

Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 2 April 2015, 08:24:03 am
Darren Bent
Danny Ings
Luke Garbutt
John Flanagan
James Milner
Micah Richards
John Guidetti
James Wilson
Tom Cleverly
Andy Wilkinson

All kinda realistic. Imagine milner coming back :lol: (Realistic for the club to aspire to sign, not necessarily my choice)


Would take Richards and Ings but Fatty won't pay the signing-on fees.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Roger Kint on Thursday 2 April 2015, 08:42:08 am
Only Ings and Garbutt i would even consider on that list of s****. Obvious a few kids who i havent seen too but guessing most are garbage
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ash on Thursday 2 April 2015, 09:07:56 am
Darren Bent
Danny Ings
Luke Garbutt
John Flanagan
James Milner
Micah Richards
John Guidetti
James Wilson
Tom Cleverly
Andy Wilkinson

All kinda realistic. Imagine milner coming back :lol: (Realistic for the club to aspire to sign, not necessarily my choice)

Milner definitely isn't realistic.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 2 April 2015, 11:15:02 am
LOL @ Milner. He would never come here again.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 2 April 2015, 12:52:51 pm
Milner would be a very good signing. No chance of it happening.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: triggs on Thursday 2 April 2015, 12:58:34 pm
Milner would instantly be one of our better players if he signed like, probably wouldn't get him though
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: r0cafella on Thursday 2 April 2015, 08:43:35 pm
Miller is the Jack Colback upgrade :s
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ryan on Thursday 2 April 2015, 09:01:23 pm
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

Players with expiring contracts according to Transfermarkt. From that list I'd go for:

Konoplyanka
Ayew
Ings
Neto
Demarai Gray

Can only see us going for Ayew though.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: r0cafella on Thursday 2 April 2015, 09:08:27 pm
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

Players with expiring contracts according to Transfermarkt. From that list I'd go for:

Konoplyanka
Ayew
Ings
Neto
Demarai Gray

Can only see us going for Ayew though.
Can't see us matching the wage demands given how flush with cash the rest of the league is.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: morla84 on Friday 3 April 2015, 08:09:31 am
There's only 2 people we need to get rid of, Ashley and Charnley. We don't have a big enough squad to let anyone else go, even if they aren't good enough. Because they won't all be replaced and definitely not with better.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HawK on Friday 3 April 2015, 10:17:07 pm
There's only 2 people we need to get rid of, Ashley and Charnley. We don't have a big enough squad to let anyone else go, even if they aren't good enough. Because they won't all be replaced and definitely not with better.

Tbh I think Obertan playing is like giving the opposition a paid-off player.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Friday 3 March 2017, 04:05:43 pm
As people were discussing the squad in the Rafa thread I thought I'd resurrect this thread.

Contract information taken from: -
http://www.nufc.com/2016-17html/squad.html

Out of contract in June 2017
Vurnon Anita
Yoan Gouffran
Christian Atsu (end of loan from Chelsea)
Sammy Ameobi

Out of contract in June 2018 (i.e. one year left on contract so Mike Ashley may be looking to cash in)
Massadio Haidara
Jesus Gamez
Daryl Murphy
Curtis Good
Tim Krul
Kevin Mbabu

NUFC.com have "tbc" for the contract length of some players e.g. Emmanuel Riviere. Some players like Haris Vučkić aren't listed.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: xLiaaamx on Friday 3 March 2017, 04:26:22 pm
Anita, Gouffran and Ameobi should be let go. I'd look to sign Atsu though.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: NEEJ on Friday 3 March 2017, 04:35:18 pm
Anita is definitely worth keeping at least for next season.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ryan on Friday 3 March 2017, 04:37:01 pm
Anita, Gouffran and Ameobi should be let go. I'd look to sign Atsu though.

Agree with that but Anita is a strange one, don't think I'd be that fussed either way. Wouldn't be too surprised if he did get a new contract as he can play in a few positions but happy with Yedlin and Gamez as our RB options for next season and I don't really rate him as a CM. Would hope we'd be bringing in at least 2 new ones in the summer anyway.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 11 March 2017, 10:47:16 pm
Mitro, Perez and Diame having such erratic seasons, performing a lot worse than we'd have expected of them at this level hasn't helped our season. Even Shelvey hasn't scored very often. I'd expected him to have more of a goal scoring impact.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: TRon on Sunday 12 March 2017, 09:49:59 am
Mitro, Perez and Diame having such erratic seasons, performing a lot worse than we'd have expected of them at this level hasn't helped our season. Even Shelvey hasn't scored very often. I'd expected him to have more of a goal scoring impact.

Mitrovic is the only big money flop out of those tbh. Might need to look at other positions to see where we are really coming up short.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 18 March 2017, 05:43:00 pm
So which NUFC players are away on international duty? Most of them need a good rest.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 18 March 2017, 07:49:06 pm
So which NUFC players are away on international duty? Most of them need a good rest.

Found the answer: -

Grant Hanley, Matt Ritchie (Scotland):
22.03.2017  Canada (h) Easter Road FR
26.03.2017  Slovenia (h) Hampden WCQ

Aleksandar Mitrovic (Serbia):
24.03.2017 Georgia (a) Tbilisi WCQ

Ciaran Clark, Rob Elliot, Daryl Murphy (Ireland):
24.03.2017 Wales (h) Dublin WCQ
28.03.2017  Iceland (h) Dublin FR

Matz Sels (Belgium):
25.03.2017 Greece (h) Brussels WCQ
28.03.2017  Russia (a) Sochi FR

Doubt Clark will be fit to go.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: U2 on Saturday 18 March 2017, 07:57:01 pm
Belgium :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Sunday 16 July 2017, 09:12:03 pm
Is Jesus Gamez good enough to do a job for us this season?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toon25 on Sunday 16 July 2017, 09:20:19 pm
Doubt it.

He could barely get a game in the Championship.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ikon on Sunday 16 July 2017, 09:22:52 pm
Had a lot of injury problems and didn't play much. Could be a different year for him. Time will tell I guess..
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 16 July 2017, 09:23:10 pm
I honestly only remember watching him twice, on as a sub v Brighton at home and he started v Blackburn at home, which we went off injured at 0-0.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Greg on Sunday 16 July 2017, 09:28:39 pm
Looked neat and tidy but never really tested in his minimal game time last season so no idea to be honest, not sure he would be able to cope physically.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LRD on Monday 17 July 2017, 12:21:16 am
Might have no other alternative considering our restricted budget. No one else who can play RB besides Yedlin.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Pilko on Monday 17 July 2017, 12:44:12 am
Might have no other alternative considering our restricted budget. No one else who can play RB besides Yedlin.

I think Rafa quite likes Sterry and he could well be second choice.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: tom1988 on Monday 17 July 2017, 11:01:10 am
Tim Krul? what's going on there then?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 17 July 2017, 11:07:05 am
Tim Krul? what's going on there then?

I'd hazard a guess he's just looked as shocking as he has last few years.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:04:02 pm
Current strongest lineup and subs?

Krul, Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett, Ritchie, Shelvey, Hayden, Murphy, De Jong, Gayle.

Darlow, Manquillo, Lascelles, Mbemba, Atsu, Aarons, Perez.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:05:26 pm
Current strongest lineup and subs?

Krul, Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett, Ritchie, Shelvey, Hayden, Murphy, De Jong, Gayle.

Darlow, Manquillo, Lascelles, Mbemba, Atsu, Aarons, Perez.

Swap Perez for De Jong.

It's still nowhere near strong enough for my liking.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:11:55 pm
Current strongest lineup and subs?

Krul, Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett, Ritchie, Shelvey, Hayden, Murphy, De Jong, Gayle.

Darlow, Manquillo, Lascelles, Mbemba, Atsu, Aarons, Perez.

Swap Perez for De Jong.

It's still nowhere near strong enough for my liking.

Don't agree tbh
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:17:46 pm
Current strongest lineup and subs?

Krul, Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett, Ritchie, Shelvey, Hayden, Murphy, De Jong, Gayle.

Darlow, Manquillo, Lascelles, Mbemba, Atsu, Aarons, Perez.

Swap Perez for De Jong.

It's still nowhere near strong enough for my liking.

Don't agree tbh

Why?

De Jong has hardly shown any form to show why he should start?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:20:01 pm
Lascelles will start instead of Lejeune
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:33:12 pm
De Jong has played one pre season game and wasn't that good when he played before
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:38:55 pm
De Jong has played one pre season game and wasn't that good when he played before
Exactly, I can't believe the hype he's getting.  Goes back to about how players at nufc get better when they aren't playing.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:39:44 pm
By that token De Jong would already be Pele.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Gottlob on Wednesday 19 July 2017, 11:46:09 pm
I like De Jong because my impression is that he's good technically and a quick thinker in the final third, but I struggle to see how he fits in our system. I still think the number 10 role was a really difficult one to fill last season, with the central midfielders tending to sit deep, and so many balls going long either out wide or over the top for Gayle to chase. How does De Jong contribute to that process? Diame was often preferred as a sort of battering ram, to chase and battle for loose balls, and Perez is at least mobile.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 23 July 2017, 09:28:18 am
It's quite clear that Rafa doesn't want Krul. He's only got a year left on his contract. I'd imagine a Dutch club could afford to buy him as I doubt he'd cost more than a couple of million pounds.

Hanley was bought for around £5m and that fee is well within reach of Championship clubs these days. We should be able to find a buyer for him.

Which Italian team did NUFC beat to the signing of Lazaar? Maybe they're still interested in him, if not another Italian team might be.

Wages are the problem when it comes to selling players to non-English teams. There would probably be buyers for more of our surplus to requirements foreign players if they weren't on double other leagues wages. Haidara and Saivet fall into this category.

I doubt any club would pay a transfer fee for Riviere. We'll be lucky if we can get a club to loan him and contribute to his wages.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 23 July 2017, 02:28:09 pm
Off the back of this article: -

https://www.themag.co.uk/2017/07/rafa-benitez-admits-preston-match-needs-get-rid-least-6-players-newcastle-united/

"Premier League rules dictate at the end of the transfer window you have to name 25 senior players"

Goalkeepers: Tim Krul, Freddie Woodman (U21), Karl Darlow, Rob Elliott

Current situation seems to be Rafa wants to: -
Keep: Rob Elliot.
Loan out: Woodman?
Sell: Darlow and Krul.

Defenders: Paul Dummett, Achraaf Lazaar, Massadio Haidara, Jamaal Lascelles, Grant Hanley, Ciaran Clark, Chancel Mbemba, Florian Lejeune, DeAndre Yedlin, Jesus Gamez, Jamie Sterry, Javier Manquillo

Rafa wants to: -
Keep: Dummett, Lascelles, Clark, Lejeune, Yedlin and Manquillo.
Loan out: Sterry?
Unknown? Maybe sell if the right offer comes in and a replacement brought in: Mbemba and Gamez.
Sell: Lazaar, Haidara and Hanley.

Midfielders: Henri Saivet, Jonjo Shelvey, Isaac Hayden, Jack Colback, Rolando Aarons, Matt Ritchie, Christian Atsu, Ayoze Perez, Mo Diame, Siem De Jong, Jacob Murphy

Rafa wants to: -
Keep: Shelvey, Hayden, Ritchie, Atsu, Perez and Murphy.
Loan out: Maybe Aarons?
Unknown? Maybe sell if the right offer comes in and a replacement brought in: Colback, Diame and De Jong.
Sell: Saivet.

Strikers: Dwight Gayle, Aleksandar Mitrovic, Manu Riviere

Rafa wants to: -
Keep: Gayle.
Unknown? Maybe sell if the right offer comes in and a replacement brought in: Mitrovic.
Sell: Riviere.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 23 July 2017, 03:09:53 pm
Diame, Colback, De Jong, Perez.

We need 2 to leave in order to sign both a CM and AM. I suspect all of them make a fair wedge a week.

New AM, New CM, Shelvey, Hayden + 2 of the above. 


Obviously Saivet needs selling.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 23 July 2017, 03:24:18 pm
Perez won't be on much, surely?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 23 July 2017, 04:21:19 pm
Absolutely no way he will sell Perez IMO.

I honestly think Diame will be considered as a CM this season and that De Jong will stay too.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 23 July 2017, 04:59:54 pm
Absolutely no way he will sell Perez IMO.

I honestly think Diame will be considered as a CM this season and that De Jong will stay too.

That's plausible. We could do worse than Diame as Shelvey's back-up. Ideally we sell Saivet and/or Colback (preferably both) and bring in a DM like McCarthy or Samaris as well as a CAM to compete with de Jong and Perez.

CM: Shelvey, Diame
DM: McCarthy/Samaris, Hayden
CAM: New CAM, de Jong, Perez
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 23 July 2017, 07:56:56 pm
Perez won't be on much, surely?

Perez I don't see leaving. But we need to shift Diame and De Jong or risk not being able to add a new body. We have 22 outfield positions available and an overload of crappy midfielders and second strikers considering we would like to improve on those areas.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Sunday 23 July 2017, 08:21:08 pm
Think we will end up with Rolan and Clucas and some obscure goalkeeper as our last three signings and start the season with that.

Whether thats with or without Rafa as our manager remains to be seen.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Sunday 23 July 2017, 08:29:53 pm
Think we will end up with Rolan and Clucas and some obscure goalkeeper as our last three signings and start the season with that.

Whether thats with or without Rafa as our manager remains to be seen.

I still think our transfer record will be broken
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Sunday 23 July 2017, 09:17:46 pm
Think we will end up with Rolan and Clucas and some obscure goalkeeper as our last three signings and start the season with that.

Whether thats with or without Rafa as our manager remains to be seen.

I still think our transfer record will be broken
I'd love to see that but I'm not so sure but I think that would be a boost that everybody needs especially if the signing was of genuine proven quality. It certainly would do a lot for the relationship between Rafa and those upstairs too.

A statement of intent still badly needed.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 23 July 2017, 10:41:55 pm
Our transfer record still Shearer or is it Owen?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Sunday 23 July 2017, 10:42:20 pm
Our transfer record still Shearer or is it Owen?
Owen 17 million.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Monday 24 July 2017, 10:29:46 am
Only just realised we have 35 players on the books who would require a squad place to be used for them in the PL this season.

Of those you'd imagine Sterry, Gillesphey, Findlay, Smith, El-Mhanni and Toney will find themselves out on loan to drop this to 29 (again, in all cases bar El-Mhanni).

In addition to this there's an argument to be made for Aarons doing the same, which could drop it to 28, though at the current time it seems unlikely.

That still leaves us with plenty of deadweight, but there's a case for Haidara (small), Saivet (small), De Jong (decent) and Mitrovic (decent) to be kept on.

That would leave us trying to flog Krul, Gamez, Hanley, Good, Lazaar and Riviere (none of whom seem to have any future).

Still loads to do :anguish:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: U2 on Monday 24 July 2017, 10:31:56 am
Aarons seems to be favoured by Rafa.  Reckon he'll be part of the 25.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Monday 24 July 2017, 10:32:59 am
Doesn't count towards anyway does he?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Monday 24 July 2017, 10:34:57 am
Aarons seems to be favoured by Rafa.  Reckon he'll be part of the 25.

I think so as well, but I'm pretty sure he'll be aware of the elevated risk of ending up with an "empty" space until January if he does this. He's effectively missed 2.5 seasons with 3 different injuries in the last 3 years now. He has started each season "fit", as well.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Monday 24 July 2017, 10:35:13 am
Doesn't count towards anyway does he?

He does. Cut off date is born on or after January 1st 1996.

Source: https://www.premierleague.com/news/84136

Quote
For the 2016/17 campaign Under-21 players will have been born on or after 1 January 1995.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Monday 24 July 2017, 11:10:06 am
Doesn't count towards anyway does he?

He does. Cut off date is born on or after January 1st 1996.

Source: https://www.premierleague.com/news/84136

Quote
For the 2016/17 campaign Under-21 players will have been born on or after 1 January 1995.

:thup:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 09:28:21 am
Elliot; Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett; Hayden, Shelvey; Ritchie, Diame, Murphy; Gayle

Is this our current best XI?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 09:35:22 am
Perez or De Jong ahead of Diame but I'd say pretty much.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 09:38:45 am
Was really just falling back on the "Gayle works best with Diame" thing. Although I'd like to think that if De Jong stays and remains fit he'd be a better foil.

Don't like Perez + Gayle much at all.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toontownman on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 10:13:29 am
Currently a squad of misfits, rejects and gambles. I think our comparative lack of funds and big squad is hampering us big time.

Other than Ritchie I don't see anyone in our squad that doesn't have something to prove in the premiership, doubters to prove wrong or won't be in last chance saloon. Almost seems that's the signing prerogative too. Which might be a masterstroke or the death knell of our premiership survival.

One thing i can for sure say is that i have long envied the fight and passion promoted and smaller teams have brought to the premier league. Provided the motivation is there from the coaching staff i think we will see that for the first time in many years.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 10:20:34 am
Was really just falling back on the "Gayle works best with Diame" thing. Although I'd like to think that if De Jong stays and remains fit he'd be a better foil.

Don't like Perez + Gayle much at all.

I see a poor man's Sheringham & Cole there. I'll be happy with that too.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 10:26:18 am
Currently a squad of misfits, rejects and gambles. I think our comparative lack of funds and big squad is hampering us big time.

Other than Ritchie I don't see anyone in our squad that doesn't have something to prove in the premiership, doubters to prove wrong or won't be in last chance saloon. Almost seems that's the signing prerogative too. Which might be a masterstroke or the death knell of our premiership survival.

One thing i can for sure say is that i have long envied the fight and passion promoted and smaller teams have brought to the premier league. Provided the motivation is there from the coaching staff i think we will see that for the first time in many years.

:thup:

Like the general thought behind this post. Although I did have the same feeling when we came up last time. It was nice being the underdogs and being led by a good man/manager while it lasted and we had some cracking results early on.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 10:36:59 am
We absolutely deserve to be relegated if Bellyiot is playing any games not in an emergency next season.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 10:40:00 am
Aye, we're going be desperate if we don't sign a new keeper. I bang on about Reina but someone like him would make the defence more confident, his experience and organisation would be worth it alone.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 11:01:02 am
Elliot; Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett; Hayden, Shelvey; Ritchie, Diame, Murphy; Gayle

Is this our current best XI?

Those would be squad fillers for most sides in the Premier. It's worryingly short of proven Premier class.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 11:08:47 am
We absolutely deserve to be relegated if Bellyiot is playing any games not in an emergency next season.

He's a mere slip of a lad these days. I quite like him to be honest, good distribution and a good communicator - plus his attitude is sound.

Serious question marks over his agility and shot stopping, of course, which is never good.

Think Rafa will get a 'keeper sorted, regardless, but I'm not as worried about that position personally.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 11:18:05 am
We absolutely deserve to be relegated if Bellyiot is playing any games not in an emergency next season.

He's a mere slip of a lad these days. I quite like him to be honest, good distribution and a good communicator - plus his attitude is sound.

Serious question marks over his agility and shot stopping, of course, which is never good.

Think Rafa will get a 'keeper sorted, regardless, but I'm not as worried about that position personally.

His decision making in when to and when not to come off his line has always been my biggest issue with him.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 11:29:11 am
His arse licking of Pardew is my biggest gripe.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 01:22:02 pm
Elliot has actually grown on me recently, he was a welcoming and calming head end of last season when Darlow was making mistakes all over.

Think Rich's 11 is pretty much spot on at this point as our current best 11. I imagine a toss up in the #10 as to Perez, Diame and De Jong. I'm much happier seeing Hayden play next to Shelvey and believe Isaac can develop into a real top player under Rafa.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 01:26:20 pm
Elliot; Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett; Hayden, Shelvey; Ritchie, Diame, Murphy; Gayle

Is this our current best XI?

Yeah. We're s*** looking at that. I do have faith in Rafa to make sure we are more competetive in games. Can't see us getting battered often and think we will be in touching distance in most games.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 01:27:01 pm
Elliot; Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett; Hayden, Shelvey; Ritchie, Diame, Murphy; Gayle

Is this our current best XI?

we've got problems :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: geordiedean on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 03:29:30 pm
Elliot; Yedlin, Lejeune, Clark, Dummett; Hayden, Shelvey; Ritchie, Diame, Murphy; Gayle

Is this our current best XI?

we've got problems :lol:

If that's our best 11 come Sept 1st then I really can't see us staying up
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Willow on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 04:58:25 pm
Now entering the final year of his six year contract, Newcastle defender Curtis Good is reportedly set to link up with Dutch side PEC Zwolle on trial.

thoughts?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 05:00:29 pm
Now entering the final year of his six year contract, Newcastle defender Curtis Good is reportedly set to link up with Dutch side PEC Zwolle on trial.

thoughts?

Good riddance ya flamin gallah.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 26 July 2017, 05:49:12 pm
Excellent, another wage-stealer/signing-blocker out the door.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Thursday 27 July 2017, 01:02:06 am
Why would Diame be anywhere near our best 11? De Jong and Perez far better options and I don't particularly rate either, Diame was dreadful for most of last season.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 2 August 2017, 08:09:00 am
Tim Krul is only 29 but has no future here after being so highly rated for most of his career, yet even out on loan his career has gone downhill. Says a lot about how players coast on their reputation here at Newcastle, and why we have trouble shifting them once we realise we overpaid them in the first place.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sadnesstan on Wednesday 2 August 2017, 09:45:53 am
This thread sums up our club really.

6 pages in 3.5 years.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 2 August 2017, 11:53:44 am
Tim Krul is only 29 but has no future here after being so highly rated for most of his career, yet even out on loan his career has gone downhill. Says a lot about how players coast on their reputation here at Newcastle, and why we have trouble shifting them once we realise we overpaid them in the first place.

Krul has had a bunch of injuries in his career. His last solid season was maybe 3 years ago.

I'm not sure how I feel about this team. Being solid can get you a long way in this league. But i'm not convinced by any area of the team.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: palnese on Wednesday 2 August 2017, 11:55:07 am
Toney to Wigan.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Thursday 10 August 2017, 11:47:59 am
Kenedy coming in looks a shrewd move given the number of positions he can operate in. Does it impact on Gamez and/or Aarons in any way, do people think?

Been very little on a potential loan for Aarons and he has impressed in pre-season (yet again).

Gamez seems to be one we'd sell if we got a reasonable offer in for.

Think we've still got massive holes up front (2, arguably), at number ten and in goal. Otherwise it's starting to come together.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: U2 on Thursday 10 August 2017, 11:48:44 am
fwiw, I haven't been too impressed with Aarons in what I've seen in preseason.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Thursday 10 August 2017, 12:43:17 pm
Kenedy coming in looks a shrewd move given the number of positions he can operate in. Does it impact on Gamez and/or Aarons in any way, do people think?

Been very little on a potential loan for Aarons and he has impressed in pre-season (yet again).

Gamez seems to be one we'd sell if we got a reasonable offer in for.

Think we've still got massive holes up front (2, arguably), at number ten and in goal. Otherwise it's starting to come together.

Think he'll be kept and used as a wildcard sub if he can stay fit. If we're not doing s**** by Jan then maybe send to Champioship.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Thursday 10 August 2017, 12:49:58 pm
Kenedy coming in looks a shrewd move given the number of positions he can operate in. Does it impact on Gamez and/or Aarons in any way, do people think?

Been very little on a potential loan for Aarons and he has impressed in pre-season (yet again).

Gamez seems to be one we'd sell if we got a reasonable offer in for.

Think we've still got massive holes up front (2, arguably), at number ten and in goal. Otherwise it's starting to come together.

Think he'll be kept and used as a wildcard sub if he can stay fit. If we're not doing s**** by Jan then maybe send to Champioship.

:thup:

I'm liking our depth out wide, though none of them are really Prem proven (even Ritchie was fair-to-middling in his season).
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ayerso on Friday 1 September 2017, 06:40:52 pm
When do we have to submit our 25 man squad? Looks like we'll have to leave two player out
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Dave on Friday 1 September 2017, 08:48:22 pm
https://www.premierleague.com/news/465277
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25 Squad players (*=Home grown)
Aarons, Rolando*
Clark, Ciaran*
Colback, Jack Raymond*
Darlow, Karl*
Diame, Mohamed
Dummett, Paul*
Elliot, Robert*
Gamez Duarte, Jesus
Gayle, Dwight Devon Boyd*
Gutierrez, Ayoze Perez
Haidara, Massadio
Hayden, Isaac Scot*
Lascelles, Jamaal*
Lejeune, Florian Gregoire Claude
Manquillo Gaitan, Javier
Mato Sanmartin, Jose Luis
Mbemba, Chancel Mangulu
Mitrovic, Aleksander
Murphy, Jacob Kai*
Ritchie, Matthew Thomas*
Saivet, Henri
Shelvey, Jonjo*
Sterry, Jamie Michael*
Twasam, Christian Atsu
Yedlin, Deandre
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ayerso on Friday 1 September 2017, 09:12:53 pm
https://www.premierleague.com/news/465277
Quote
25 Squad players (*=Home grown)
Aarons, Rolando*
Clark, Ciaran*
Colback, Jack Raymond*
Darlow, Karl*
Diame, Mohamed
Dummett, Paul*
Elliot, Robert*
Gamez Duarte, Jesus
Gayle, Dwight Devon Boyd*
Gutierrez, Ayoze Perez
Haidara, Massadio
Hayden, Isaac Scot*
Lascelles, Jamaal*
Lejeune, Florian Gregoire Claude
Manquillo Gaitan, Javier
Mato Sanmartin, Jose Luis
Mbemba, Chancel Mangulu
Mitrovic, Aleksander
Murphy, Jacob Kai*
Ritchie, Matthew Thomas*
Saivet, Henri
Shelvey, Jonjo*
Sterry, Jamie Michael*
Twasam, Christian Atsu
Yedlin, Deandre
Great cheers, I thought it would be today.  Maybe we'll see Haidara back for Swansea
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: mighty__mag on Friday 1 September 2017, 09:16:11 pm
Was looking for this very thread a few weeks back, couldn't seem to find it.

Only to mention our lad on loan at Blackpool is doing very well.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Altamullan on Friday 1 September 2017, 09:24:27 pm
Great cheers, I thought it would be today.  Maybe we'll see Haidara back for Swansea
What price him picking-up our next ban? Kung fu kick on Sanches.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ryan on Friday 1 September 2017, 09:28:53 pm
Jack 'Raymond' Colback :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Altamullan on Friday 1 September 2017, 09:37:00 pm
Jack 'Raymond' Colback :lol:

(http://img59.laughinggif.com/pic/HTTPS9pLm1ha2VhZ2lmLmNvbS9tZWRpYS83LTE1LTIwMTUvUGN2ekFoLmdpZgloglog.gif)
Raymond stay at N.U.F.C., N.U.F.C.. I'm an excellent driver!
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Incognito on Friday 1 September 2017, 09:38:10 pm
Ray of s****
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ayerso on Saturday 2 September 2017, 05:38:56 pm
Was looking for this very thread a few weeks back, couldn't seem to find it.

Only to mention our lad on loan at Blackpool is doing very well.


Scored again today, 4 in 4 games
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: mighty__mag on Saturday 2 September 2017, 05:46:11 pm
Was looking for this very thread a few weeks back, couldn't seem to find it.

Only to mention our lad on loan at Blackpool is doing very well.


Scored again today, 4 in 4 games

Really. Thats excellent for him,Great start
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: morla84 on Monday 1 January 2018, 12:47:18 pm
I was watching SSN this morning, and they were talking about the old cliche of managers looking forward to the window slamming shut so that they know they have kept their strongest players. This made me think about out squad, and I can only think of Lascelles and Merino who I would class in that bracket. I would consider everyone else expendable and would glad to get rid of a few, providing the money is reinvested. Sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: 54 on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 03:50:31 pm
So if the signings go through, what would people say our best 11 would be?

                 Dúbravka

Yedlin  Lascelles  Clark  Kenedy

         Merino    Shelvey

Murphy        Ayoze       Atsu
               
                 Slimani
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 03:52:46 pm
So if the signings go through, what would people say our best 11 would be?

                 Dúbravka

Yedlin  Lascelles  Clark  Kenedy

         Merino    Shelvey

Murphy        Ayoze       Atsu
               
                 Slimani

No Malo. Champions League here we come.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: steve_69 on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 03:54:43 pm
So if the signings go through, what would people say our best 11 would be?

                 Dúbravka

Yedlin  Lascelles  Clark  Kenedy

         Merino    Shelvey

Murphy        Ayoze       Atsu
               
                 Slimani

I think Kenedy will be deployed more as a winger or wing-back (with a back 3) rather than a proper left-back.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kid Icarus on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 04:25:29 pm
So if the signings go through, what would people say our best 11 would be?

                 Dúbravka

Yedlin  Lascelles  Clark  Kenedy

         Merino    Shelvey

Murphy        Ayoze       Atsu
               
                 Slimani

I think Kenedy will be deployed more as a winger or wing-back (with a back 3) rather than a proper left-back.

Yeah, I have a feeling we'll change to a 3 at the back at times as well. Don't think the below would work, but it's best players rather than most suitable for the system.

                 Dúbravka (just assuming he's better than what we have)

     Lejeune Lascelles  Clark 

Yedlin                              Kenedy

              Merino    Shelvey

Murphy                        Perez   
               
                        Slimani
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kid Icarus on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 04:26:25 pm
f*** it, I can't get the formatting right anyway. [emoji38]
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Altamullan on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 04:33:37 pm
               Dúbravka

     Lascelles Hayden Clark 

Yedlin                              Kenedy
                   Merino   

   Ritchie                     Atsu
                     Perez     
                    Slimani
With Hayden joining midfield when in possession.
Lejeune or Dummett replacing Hayden, Murphy for Ritchie and Shelvey (sitting deeper) for Perez, against the stronger sides. Greater defensive barrier and more chance of hitting on the break.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 04:35:36 pm
Aye I reckon Kenedy has been brought in to play LWB. Wonder if we might start to see it being used more. Him and Yedlin behind Atsu and Murphy is pretty darn pacy.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sh74 on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 05:40:48 pm
So if the signings go through, what would people say our best 11 would be?

                 Dúbravka

Yedlin  Lascelles  Clark  Kenedy

         Merino    Shelvey

Murphy        Ayoze       Atsu
               
                 Slimani
Swap Clark for Lejeune and thats not a bad looking team.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sbnufc on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 06:19:43 pm
Sterry has gone to Crewe on loan
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toontownman on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 06:22:27 pm
Offical announcement: https://www.nufc.co.uk/news/latest-news/crewe-loan-switch-for-sterry

Good move. Don't think he will be back other than to get his stuff and move on somewhere else in the summer.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toontownman on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 06:34:31 pm
Bizzaro. Forgot we even signed him!

https://www.nufc.co.uk/news/latest-news/juanito-joins-deportivo-la-coruna-on-loan
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sbnufc on Wednesday 31 January 2018, 10:17:34 pm
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 1 February 2018, 09:44:32 pm
Looking at: - http://www.nufc.com/2017-18html/squad.html

Player contracts ending Summer 2018: -
Massadio Haidara, Jesus Gamez and Curtis Good.

Player contracts ending Summer 2019: -
Mohamed Diame and Jack Colback.

Players loaned out who will return: -
Henri Saivet, Rolando Aarons, Freddie Woodman, Jamie Sterry, Aleksandar Mitrovic, Matz Sels, Adam Armstrong, Achraf Lazaar, Jack Colback, Dan Barlaser and Stuart Findlay.

A busy Summer of transfers awaits.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Thursday 1 February 2018, 09:50:21 pm
What the f*** size contract does Curtis Good have ? it must be a 10 year'a
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: 54 on Saturday 3 February 2018, 12:09:58 am
Registered squad:

Atsu, Clark, Darlow, Diame, Dubravka, Dummett, Elliot, Gamez, Gayle, Gillesphey, Good, Haidara, Hayden, Joselu, Lascelles, Lejeune, Manquillo, Mbemba, Murphy, Perez, Ritchie, Shelvey, Slimani, Yedlin

Still space for 1 extra. Samir Nasri anyone?

*Kenedy and Merino are considered under-21.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 3 February 2018, 12:20:44 am
Nasri is a nasty dirty cheating c***. In saying that he does have talent that we could obviously use. His wage demands though mean that we don’t have to contemplate putting aside our feelings towards him to welcome him to the club.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 3 February 2018, 12:21:15 am
Nasri as a kind of elder statesman David Platt type playing behind Slimani. It’s a yes from me.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 3 February 2018, 03:12:23 am
Wow ... didn't realise Nasri was only 30 years old!

We absolutely have to look into that. My goodness we could do with a legit number 10.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 3 February 2018, 03:54:42 am
I think most club's would he clambering after Nasri but isn't he facing a 3 year doping ban?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: jack j on Saturday 3 February 2018, 10:00:22 am
So if the signings go through, what would people say our best 11 would be?

                 Dúbravka

Yedlin  Lascelles  Clark  Kenedy

         Merino    Shelvey

Murphy        Ayoze       Atsu
               
                 Slimani

Dummett is Rafas favourite, he will start 99% of the remaining games if fit
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Saturday 3 February 2018, 10:20:10 am
Dummett should play in a back three with Yedlin and kenedy as wing backs
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: triggs on Saturday 3 February 2018, 10:30:28 am
Don't like the idea of Kenedy being so far away from goal
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: reefatoon on Saturday 3 February 2018, 11:05:28 am
Don't like the idea of Kenedy being so far away from goal

Yep. He looks a real attacking threat. We need goals and for him to be a part of that we need him on the wing.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kid Icarus on Saturday 3 February 2018, 11:29:42 am
Kenedy got himself into the number 10 position loads against Burnley. If he can continue to drift there from the left, and that's the reason he goes unnoticed by the opposition, then I'd keep him there.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: morla84 on Saturday 3 February 2018, 12:36:21 pm
                     Dubravka
Yedlin Lascelles Lejeune Dummett
                Merino Diame
          Murphy Perez Kenedy
                         Slim
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sadnesstan on Saturday 3 February 2018, 12:56:51 pm
Kenedy got himself into the number 10 position loads against Burnley. If he can continue to drift there from the left, and that's the reason he goes unnoticed by the opposition, then I'd keep him there.

He was all over, Rafa will drop him for failing to adhere to instructions.

I'm kidding. I hope.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Dave on Saturday 3 February 2018, 01:07:23 pm
Never get it when people go 'new player X was great on his debut, let's immediately put him somewhere else'.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Saturday 3 February 2018, 02:51:10 pm
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Newcastle's squad for the remainder of the Premier League season has now been confirmed, with just 24 of the available 25 spots filled:

Atsu, Clark, Darlow, Diame, Dubravka, Dummett, Elliot, Gamez, Gayle, Gillesphey, Good, Haidara, Hayden, Joselu, Lascelles, Lejeune, Manquillo, Mbemba, Murphy, Perez, Ritchie, Shelvey, Slimani, Yedlin

(Merino and Kenedy are in the U21 list)

Omitted from the August 2017 selection are Aarons, Colback, Mitrovic, Saivet and Sterry; Curtis Good, Macaulay Gillesphey, Dubravka and Slimani join.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 3 February 2018, 02:52:37 pm
Keep forgetting about Curtis Good :lol:

Played 2 games for us in nearly 6 years
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: triggs on Saturday 3 February 2018, 03:01:19 pm
Love a bit of Macauley Gillesphey
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Toon No9 on Monday 5 February 2018, 08:24:43 am
Nasri is out of contract and could sign on a free transfer.
I know he's a tw*t but could be exactly what we need as a #10.
Short term contract for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Collage on Monday 5 February 2018, 08:35:42 am
Nasri is out of contract and could sign on a free transfer.
I know he's a tw*t but could be exactly what we need as a #10.
Short term contract for the rest of the season.

Would potentially f*** up morale in the final, critical part of the season. Rafa not willing to take the risk, I'd say.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: steve_69 on Monday 5 February 2018, 09:26:03 am
Alex Song is available on a free. Not sure if he's any good now but we could definitely do with a defensive midfielder
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Toon No9 on Monday 5 February 2018, 09:50:30 am
Nasri is out of contract and could sign on a free transfer.
I know he's a tw*t but could be exactly what we need as a #10.
Short term contract for the rest of the season.

Would potentially f*** up morale in the final, critical part of the season. Rafa not willing to take the risk, I'd say.
Yeah, he probably would.
But at the same time we don't have any player with that quality in the final third (maybe Kenedy?).
If it's worth the gamble I don't know.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: loki679 on Monday 5 February 2018, 10:27:59 am
I have an intense dislike for Nasri, he's a complete nob and ordinarily I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club but short term to the end of the season this doesn't look bad as a front four:

                     Slimani

Kenedy            Nasri           Murphy

Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 5 February 2018, 11:04:42 am
Looking at: - http://www.nufc.com/2017-18html/squad.html

Player contracts ending Summer 2018: -
Massadio Haidara, Jesus Gamez and Curtis Good.

Player contracts ending Summer 2019: -
Mohamed Diame and Jack Colback.

Players loaned out who will return: -
Henri Saivet, Rolando Aarons, Freddie Woodman, Jamie Sterry, Aleksandar Mitrovic, Matz Sels, Adam Armstrong, Achraf Lazaar, Jack Colback, Dan Barlaser and Stuart Findlay.

A busy Summer of transfers awaits.

Toney?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Toon No9 on Monday 5 February 2018, 08:44:50 pm
I have an intense dislike for Nasri, he's a complete nob and ordinarily I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club but short term to the end of the season this doesn't look bad as a front four:

                     Slimani

Kenedy            Nasri           Murphy


That looks good. But I would swap Murphy for Atsu.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 5 February 2018, 08:47:50 pm
Looking at: - http://www.nufc.com/2017-18html/squad.html

Player contracts ending Summer 2018: -
Massadio Haidara, Jesus Gamez and Curtis Good.

Player contracts ending Summer 2019: -
Mohamed Diame and Jack Colback.

Players loaned out who will return: -
Henri Saivet, Rolando Aarons, Freddie Woodman, Jamie Sterry, Aleksandar Mitrovic, Matz Sels, Adam Armstrong, Achraf Lazaar, Jack Colback, Dan Barlaser and Stuart Findlay.

A busy Summer of transfers awaits.

Toney?

Reserve squad: -

http://www.nufc.com/2017-18html/squad-reserves.html
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: La Parka on Tuesday 6 February 2018, 08:41:05 am
Should we go down again I wonder who we could keep hold of. Our squad is arguably weaker than the last two relegation seasons   so coming back would be even harder. Guess Arma, Longstaff, Good will get games :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sh74 on Tuesday 6 February 2018, 09:36:12 am
Should we go down again I wonder who we could keep hold of. Our squad is arguably weaker than the last two relegation seasons   so coming back would be even harder. Guess Arma, Longstaff, Good will get games :lol:
Depends who the manager is.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Toon No9 on Saturday 3 March 2018, 12:10:13 am
Jackson Martinez has been released from his chinese club Guangzhou Evergrande and is now on a free transfer.
They bought him for £37,5M and is now released!
He's now 31 but must be better than what we have at the moment. Was very prolific at Porto a couple of seasons ago and we've been linked with him many times before.
Someone to consider as an early transfer in the summer?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Mbemba Youre A Womble on Saturday 3 March 2018, 12:25:10 am
Would fancy chances more if we could sign and register free agents gone January, but no chance we'd be getting him come summer time.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toon25 on Saturday 3 March 2018, 03:53:52 pm
Would fancy chances more if we could sign and register free agents gone January, but no chance we'd be getting him come summer time.

Can we not register free transfers?

Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: James on Sunday 1 April 2018, 10:34:56 am
Just putting it out there but would people be happy if we kept the same back four next season?

I would be although if a better right back or an exceptional player became available I would rethink my position. However what we have now seems disciplined, well drilled and good enough.

Back up defenders aside I would rather we invested whatever budget we get on attack, midfield and keeping Dubravka
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Sunday 1 April 2018, 10:37:22 am
A new LB and RB are needed, although we could cope if we had the same 4 for what Rafa expects.

That said - the backup options aren’t really good enough, an injury or two and we’d be exposed.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Monday 2 April 2018, 05:43:33 pm
If the three teams going down are the ones in the relegation zone now who could we get off them to improve us ?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ikon on Monday 2 April 2018, 05:50:53 pm
Sturridge

Would be a typical kind of Newcastle signing when Shepherd ran the club. No thanks.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: wormy on Monday 2 April 2018, 05:50:57 pm
Sturridge

God I hope not.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toontownman on Monday 2 April 2018, 06:02:01 pm
If you had of asked me a year ago:

Stoke: Butland, Shawcross, Martins indi and shaquiri

We don't need Butland if we keep Dubravka, Shawcross and Martins indi haven't had a good year. Shaquiri is a nasty piece of work but a great player. Not sure if he would be a rafa player.

West brom: nope

Southampton: ward-prowse, tadic, boufal, Bertrand, possibly Redmond.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HTT on Monday 2 April 2018, 06:52:29 pm
Just putting it out there but would people be happy if we kept the same back four next season?

I would be although if a better right back or an exceptional player became available I would rethink my position. However what we have now seems disciplined, well drilled and good enough.

Back up defenders aside I would rather we invested whatever budget we get on attack, midfield and keeping Dubravka

I’d be happy with the current back-four/5, but I think our weakest player in that is a yedlin who I like, but he’s not really good enough. Dummet at least is a solid defender and seemingly improving, Yedlin is all pace and energy which is fine for us this season, but next season I’d like to see a decent RB brought in and maybe even a more commanding CB than Lejeune. Regardless, the defence is the least of our worries. We need a proper CF and a 10 or playmaker more than anything.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: wormy on Monday 2 April 2018, 07:07:48 pm
I'd be happy to see an upgrade on Yedlin and think he'd be a good option from the bench to freshen things up where needed late in a game. Other than that I think Dummett's good enough for what we need and would love to see Lascelles and Lejeune continue this partnership, but I'd like a new CB to push them both as I don't see Clark here long term if Rafa can help it and he obviously doesn't rate Mbemba.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HTT on Monday 2 April 2018, 07:17:31 pm
I’d love a no nonsense type CB as I believe Lascelles is actually a decent enough footballer, but not quite good enough as a no nonsense type CB. His main attributes lie in his leadership and consistency of performances. Lejeune has played really well lately, but he’s not the quickest or strongest. Although he’s a good footballer. Clarke for me just hasn’t stepped up despite being really really good last season. He’s a Championship player. Mbemba I like and rate, but I don’t think he’s any kind of answer to how Rafa wants us to defend and play. Dummet can fill in at CB if need be and is decent enough as he is performing right now at LB, but again ideally an upgrade there would be welcome top. Regardless, I think if Rafa can develop the team in fits and starts I think down the line he can build a very good side here. He needs money though, not stupid money, but enough to at least compete with the rest. Huddersfield and Brighton have spent twice as much as us this season I believe.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: wormy on Monday 2 April 2018, 07:21:45 pm
:thup: If Ashley lets the club use it's own money this summer I'll be confident of us significantly progressing. People can say the TV money isn't that big a deal as everyone has it but I think that plays massively into our hands now, having a manager like Rafa. I trust him to spend that money a whole lot better than most in this league and that alone gives us a head start if Ashley is willing to let us spend imo.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HTT on Monday 2 April 2018, 07:31:05 pm
Rafa has been hit and miss at previous clubs in the transfer market, but I can accept that. For me a manager’s job is to strengthen the team with the right kind of players in positions needed and he is adept at identifying that and the more money he’s allowed to spend or the more input he’s allowed the higher calibre of player he goes for. Reina, Alonso, Macherano, Torres et al. He said when he first arrived at Liverpool he had to look at players way down on his list and bring them in and hope to improve them so they would be useful. It worked to a degree. But if you give Rafa a top player he will turn that player into a better player. Just look at what Torres said about him, how Rafa this PE teacher who didn’t make it as a pro, showed this goalscorer, how to score goals even better. That takes some skill.

I’d rate his dealings thus far 7/10 in the transfer market for us. And that’s with no money.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 2 April 2018, 07:39:48 pm
For the summer, I think we need to sign Dubravka and Kenedy certainly. I haven't seen enough of Slimani yet so jury's still out. He turns 30 in the summer though which may impact the decision. A RB, LB, CM, a #10, a ST and a backup CB for me. Think Rafa will only really need a decent PL sized budget to make us a really decent side, £60m-£80m on top of player sales.

Will he get that with Ashley still at the club? f*** no.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: STM on Monday 2 April 2018, 08:03:52 pm
Dubravka and Kenedy (obvs). Then after those two my priorities would be:

Striker: None of ours are good enough and we wont sign Slimani due to his age. We will almost certainly sign someone from a foreign league as they are cheaper.

Number 10: Perez, well is Perez. Plenty of respect for him but I want someone who will chip in with 10/12 goals and be our maestro. Again we will go foreign but I've always liked Shaquiri (sp) so id look at him when Stoke go down.

Centre mid: Even on current form Diame has a season of good football at best, Shelvey is unreliable, Hayden not good enough and Merino has question mark over him at the moment. I'd like a destroyer type, who can play a bit.

Right back: A slightly more thoughtful right back who is better positionally than Yedlin.

Striker: Gayle and Joselu aren't up to the job, if the opportunity arises we should bin them and bring in a second striker. Use the loan market if needs be.

Disclaimer: Ashley is a fat c*** so none of this will happen.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ikon on Monday 2 April 2018, 08:08:23 pm
I usually do it myself, but it feels like there's no point in discussing this kind of stuff unless we get taken over, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 2 April 2018, 08:58:05 pm
Curious to know precisely what Benitez's target for next season is. This season and the last have had very clear and obvious aims - promotion and then survival. Where does he see us now? What's the goal? Europa League qualification surely? One of the cups?

The ownership will obviously be the biggest indicator of whether or not we'll be able to achieve his aims. Back him to the fullest, and I genuinely think we're as likely to lift silverware as we've ever been since I supported the club.

There's nowhere in the team that can't be improved but striker is obviously the priority.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tiresias on Monday 2 April 2018, 09:00:48 pm
Aim for next season should be comfortable mid-table without any relegation fears and much better cup run. Even if we're taken over really.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 2 April 2018, 09:23:18 pm
Curious to know precisely what Benitez's target for next season is. This season and the last have had very clear and obvious aims - promotion and then survival. Where does he see us now? What's the goal? Europa League qualification surely? One of the cups?

The ownership will obviously be the biggest indicator of whether or not we'll be able to achieve his aims. Back him to the fullest, and I genuinely think we're as likely to lift silverware as we've ever been since I supported the club.

There's nowhere in the team that can't be improved but striker is obviously the priority.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/26/rafael-benitez-can-make-newcastle-top-eight-club-as-long-spend/

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“I think that this club still has great potential,” said the Newcastle manager. “If we do the things that we have to do now in January and we stay in the Premier League, it’s one of the teams that has to be in the top eight. Watching the table and the size of the other teams. But we have to be sure we understand that this is a crucial time for us.”

“If you talk about the massive money that has been spent in football in these years, maybe it is not easy,” said Benitez. “But you never know. To improve teams like Newcastle, if you do the right things it is enough to be stronger and bigger and compete. If you spend £200 million, £300 m every year, obviously even if you make mistakes you have a good team, but without spending so much money, you can still improve and do well. That is my idea if we are capable to stay in the Premier League.”

I think he can make us a top half team, where Leicester, Burnley are, pushing the team in 6th for a EL place, with a decent sized PL budget. £60m-£80m. To get that size of a budget though we're probably going to have to be taken over.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Twinport53 on Monday 2 April 2018, 10:31:28 pm
If you had of asked me a year ago:

Stoke: Butland, Shawcross, Martins indi and shaquiri

We don't need Butland if we keep Dubravka, Shawcross and Martins indi haven't had a good year. Shaquiri is a nasty piece of work but a great player. Not sure if he would be a rafa player.

West brom: nope

Southampton: ward-prowse, tadic, boufal, Bertrand, possibly Redmond.

After reading Soton forums in the build up to our match I think i'd rather play with 10 men than have Tadic. They absolutely hate the lad now.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: ponsaelius on Monday 2 April 2018, 10:58:11 pm
If you had of asked me a year ago:

Stoke: Butland, Shawcross, Martins indi and shaquiri

We don't need Butland if we keep Dubravka, Shawcross and Martins indi haven't had a good year. Shaquiri is a nasty piece of work but a great player. Not sure if he would be a rafa player.

West brom: nope

Southampton: ward-prowse, tadic, boufal, Bertrand, possibly Redmond.

Shaqiri isn't a nasty piece of work if he's in a team that's competently organised. I watch most of his games for the NT and in a proper functioning system his game goes from 'selfish' to 'direct'.

In fact the set-up Petkovic plays is very similar to Rafa's, except they ask a lot more going forward from the full-backs due to the lack of natural width elsewhere. Shaqiri plays wide right and comes inside to cross and shoot, very similar to the way Ritchie does for us. I could absolutely see him performing that role for us. If we're wanting him to come in and play as a pure #10, I'd be less enamored as he's never really excelled there.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 2 April 2018, 11:00:33 pm
Lemina if Southampton go down? He's been awful in the last few games, granted, but earlier on in the season he looked really good.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Monday 2 April 2018, 11:22:32 pm
Still think Rondon would do a good job in a Rafa system.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Raconteur on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 11:51:25 am
Accidently posted this in the summer transfers thread:

Can I beg a small diversion and ask about Realistic Sales - Summer 2018? Reading through Odin's post got me wondering about purchases, and then I remembered there is an awful amount of s**** still on the books.

Players like Sels, Saivet, Mitrovic, Colback - all on fat wages and all bar Mitrovic are unlikely to have suitors. Ten thousand average kids out on loan not doing much. It seems that the first team squad is okay, but everyone outside that top 18 is completely rubbish and a total drain on resources that we'd all rather have spent on newer, better players?

Do we need to get rid of these before Ashley sanctions incoming transfers?

Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 11:55:01 am
Jogback will have Championship suitors but I'd amazed if he'll be prepared to take a wage cut as he loves the club too much.

Lazaar, Sels and Saviet may prove more problematic unless we're prepared to subsidise their wages. Lazaar has barely played, Sels hasn't been great and Belgian teams are broke and Saivet has mainly been on the bench.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Raconteur on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 12:06:20 pm
Curiosity compelled me to look at the squad information at .com - and there seems to be a lot of 20-22yo players who are never going to make it. The Rafalution hasn't been felt yet in the depths of the Development squad:

http://www.nufc.com/2017-18html/squad-reserves.html

http://www.nufc.com/2017-18html/squad.html for the first team
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: jonny1403 on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 12:37:00 pm
Accidently posted this in the summer transfers thread:

Can I beg a small diversion and ask about Realistic Sales - Summer 2018? Reading through Odin's post got me wondering about purchases, and then I remembered there is an awful amount of s**** still on the books.

Players like Sels, Saivet, Mitrovic, Colback - all on fat wages and all bar Mitrovic are unlikely to have suitors. Ten thousand average kids out on loan not doing much. It seems that the first team squad is okay, but everyone outside that top 18 is completely rubbish and a total drain on resources that we'd all rather have spent on newer, better players?

Do we need to get rid of these before Ashley sanctions incoming transfers?


While there's definitely players to shift - it is nowhere near as bad as last season where we had 10-12 players needing new clubs. Haidara, Good and Gamez are all now out of contract and can be released and I would think we could find buyers for Saivet and Colback. It's only really Lazaar and Sels that I think we might have real difficulty shifting and may have to accept another season long loan for.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 12:54:13 pm
Sels cost £5m and has done okay out on loan. You'd think we'll find a buyer for him assuming he'll take a pay cut. Sels and Lazaar we're bought when we were in the Championship so I guess their wages aren't Premiership level.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sugoinufc on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 01:05:41 pm
I usually do it myself, but it feels like there's no point in discussing this kind of stuff unless we get taken over, unfortunately.

same here. The transfer rumour thread used to be me favorite...some years back, that is  :crazy2:

Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 03:03:16 pm
We're talking about shipping players out. That definitely happens under Mike Ashley's ownership.

Rob Elliot, Karl Darlow, Ciaran Clark, Jacob Murphy, Isaac Hayden, Chancel Mbemba, Javier Manquillo and Mikel Merino have been squad players this season. You'd imagine Mbemba would want to leave to get game time. Some others might think the same. Some like Murphy and Merino are young players so will have more chances in future. Does Darlow want to spend a season on the bench?

Massadio Haidara, Jesus Gamez and Curtis Good are out of contract and will be leaving.

Mohamed Diame and Jack Colback have contract to Summer 2019.

Henri Saivet, Rolando Aarons, Freddie Woodman, Jamie Sterry, Aleksandar Mitrovic, Matz Sels, Adam Armstrong, Achraf Lazaar, Jack Colback and Ivan Toney are all out on loan. Woodman will probably go out on loan again next season. I'd say the same for Armstrong. NUFC will probably try to sell Saivet, Sels, Lazaar and Colback. Maybe Aarons, Sterry and Toney too. Rafa doesn't seem to rate Mitrovic so he's probably going to be sold.

I'm sure there will be quite a few outgoings in the Summer. The players who can't be sold will be loaned out again. That's the problem with putting players on Premiership wages with long contracts. If it doesn't work out for them in the Premiership they're hard to move on.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: thenige on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 04:51:39 pm
Still think Rondon would do a good job in a Rafa system.

Yeah I agree with this, especially if talk of a relegation release clause is true.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: afar on Wednesday 18 April 2018, 10:46:31 pm
There will be a churn of the squad this off season, we've got to improve our production line, sounds like it's going to be a focus for Rafa if he signs a new long term contract. Sad fact though, since Shearer and perhaps Carrick, the city and area around it has not produced world class talent, it's not just lacking at the very top but across the board, there are not that many Geordies playing at a high level, hell the Mackems have produced more than us recently. It's obvious then that we've not been missing out on talent that's under our noses like we did in the past, because it's not there.

We have to cast our net out further to compete, our squad is paper thin, it's not been exposed this season too much because of the excellent fitness record and Rafa's careful management of players play time. But we can't expect every season to work out like this one and we don't have the resources to do what Chelsea and Man City do to fill out their squads with the best young talent in the world.
 
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sturla on Thursday 19 April 2018, 03:14:03 pm
There will be a churn of the squad this off season, we've got to improve our production line, sounds like it's going to be a focus for Rafa if he signs a new long term contract. Sad fact though, since Shearer and perhaps Carrick, the city and area around it has not produced world class talent, it's not just lacking at the very top but across the board, there are not that many Geordies playing at a high level, hell the Mackems have produced more than us recently. It's obvious then that we've not been missing out on talent that's under our noses like we did in the past, because it's not there.

We have to cast our net out further to compete, our squad is paper thin, it's not been exposed this season too much because of the excellent fitness record and Rafa's careful management of players play time. But we can't expect every season to work out like this one and we don't have the resources to do what Chelsea and Man City do to fill out their squads with the best young talent in the world.
 

Why isn't the area producing good players at the same rate as before? 
This should be a prime area for good players, football is almost a religion and kids should be interested, playing football day-in day-out.
Is the coaching not up to scratch or a lack of facilities for young people to play at?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: STM on Thursday 19 April 2018, 03:17:56 pm
No youngster is going to be the finished article, it's about finding the ones that have a good chance of succeeding and giving the best coaching possible to help them realise their potential. Newcastle are shocking, in both regards.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 19 April 2018, 06:05:37 pm
Loads more distractions for kids today. Most seem more interested in watching YouTube videos and playing 'Fortnite' on their games console than kicking a ball about with friends.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: sturla on Thursday 19 April 2018, 06:34:36 pm
Loads more distractions for kids today. Most seem more interested in watching YouTube videos and playing 'Fortnite' on their games console than kicking a ball about with friends.

Agree with that, but that is a global problem, or at least a 1st world problem.
My feeling is that Newcastle and the north east is a perfect soil for producing excellent footballers, but maybe the "gardening technics" aren't up to date.  Not sure how the youth program is for young footballers in the north east but that is where it needs to begin.  Newcastle youth academy can't be responsible for it, it only handles a hand full of kids. 
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 19 April 2018, 06:36:26 pm
:lol: damn 'Fortnite' destroying the elite north east production line that has produced about 5 good players in the last 20 years
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Tuesday 1 May 2018, 06:33:37 pm
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-newcastle-united-planned-goalkeeping-14595108

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What Newcastle United have planned for their goalkeeping department for 2018/19
The Magpies want to retain Martin Dubravka but will also offer Karl Darlow a new deal

By Lee Ryder Chief Sports Writer

Newcastle United have made Martin Dubravka an integral part of their summer transfer plans and will look to get the Slovakian international signed up in due course.

The Magpies have an option for a permanent deal for Dubravka and will aim to start next season with three senior goalkeepers with the Sparta Prague stopper, Karl Darlow, and Rob Elliot set to do battle for the number 1 spot.

United remain in talks to extend Darlow’s contract, but the goalkeeper wants assurances of a reasonable chance of first team football as his current deal enters its final two years.

The Magpies will look to off-load Matz Sels this summer if they can agree a deal with Anderlecht where he has spent the campaign on loan.

Newcastle will have a big decision to make on Freddie Woodman with the 21-year-old’s loan deal at Aberdeen soon to come to an end.

The Toon youngster could have signed for Celtic in January but opted for Pittodrie.

Woodman has played in eight games for the Dons but has recently found himself back on the bench, and both the England Under-21 goalkeeper and Newcastle boss Rafa Benitez will want a loan deal that guarantees first team football.

That was understood to be the arrangement in January with Derek McInnes agreeing the deal would give him his fair share of first-team action.

With McInnes knowing Aberdeen are under pressure to finish second in Scotland he has recently turned back to Joe Lewis in place of Woodman.

However, Woodman is wanted by clubs in League One and the Championship next season and is likely to return to England.

Meanwhile, Newcastle were linked with Croatian stopper Karlo Letica over the weekend with the club looking to bring in a clutch of Under-23 players this summer after a number of departures from the second string this year.

Surprised NUFC want to extend Darlow’s contract. He was supposedly close to getting sold to Middlesbrough last Summer and only didn't go because Rafa didn't get the new goalkeeper he wanted. You'd think Darlow would want to leave to get starts somewhere else.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: afar on Tuesday 1 May 2018, 10:29:28 pm
It's in the best interests for Darlow to move on, if we do the sensible thing and make Dubravka the first signing of the the summer then, barring an injury to Dubravka he's not getting any game time.

For his own career he should move on and look to establish himself somewhere. The club however could see it differently, he's an experienced keeper that you can bring in for a game or two. They've been reluctant, rightly so, to go into a situation where they only have 2 senior keepers available. Darlow is with us and probably getting paid a reasonably team friendly amount for the role he plays.

The two most important things we do in the summer from a keeping perspective I feel are, #1 get Dubravka in and #2 Succession plan for his eventual replacement better, i.e. get Woodman a decent loan move. What happens to Sels, Darlow and Elliot is less of a pressing matter,  but obviously five senior goal keepers is too much.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: TRon on Saturday 5 May 2018, 03:34:36 pm

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58178ff1b8a79bcbacb83b60/t/5a3bb905f9619a1ec35abafe/1513863433060/fullofgarbage.jpg)


Need one of these in the summer
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 5 May 2018, 05:05:02 pm
We need an empty one like. There's tonnes.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 9 May 2018, 11:57:49 pm
We need Premiership (or Spain, Germany, etc good quality league) proven goalscorers.

Scoring goals in the Championship doesn't necessarily translate to scoring goals in the Premiership. Compare this season with last: -

http://www.nufc.com/2017-18html/goalscorers.html

http://www.nufc.com/html/2016-17html/goalscorers.html

Ritchie got 12 league goals last season but only 3 this season.

Unfortunately goalscorers are the most expensive players and we know Mike Ashley won't pay the going rate. Our best chance is to get lucky and get a bargain who does well or loan a striker we couldn't afford to buy.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 10 May 2018, 12:49:54 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_window

Quote
Transfer Window 17 May – 9 August

Premier League clubs in England voted to end the summer window on the Thursday before the start of the season - on August 9 in 2018, instead of August 31. Because FIFA demands the window must be open for 12 weeks, the window will open around May 17, shortly after the final games of the season on May 13. Clubs will be able to sell players until August 31 but not buy replacements after the deadline of August 9.

Although, in England, transfers between clubs in the same league can take place as soon as the last competitive fixtures for the season have been played, many transfers will not be completed until 1 July because many players' contracts expire on 30 June. International transfers into the English leagues (including the Premier League) cannot be made until the window has opened on 17 May.

Transfer window opens a week today (Thursday 17th of May).

Player contracts usually expire on the 30th of June.

The World Cup begins on Thursday the 14th of June and runs until Sunday the 15th of July.

12 weeks to get transfer business done with the World Cup taking place in the middle.

Transfer window closes on Thursday 9th of August.

2018/19 Premier League season is due to start on Saturday 11th August.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: George Bailey on Thursday 10 May 2018, 01:22:06 pm
Bloody quick World Cup. All the games being played at once... ;)

12 weeks for MA and Penfold to dither about.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 10 May 2018, 03:22:15 pm
Bloody quick World Cup. All the games being played at once... ;)

12 weeks for MA and Penfold to dither about.

I've edited my post so the World Cup now lasts a month and a day rather than just a day.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Pilko on Thursday 10 May 2018, 07:45:52 pm
I bet Charnley won't even notice. He'll be dialling Burnley trying to get Nakhi Wells on loan on September 1st.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Thursday 10 May 2018, 08:19:40 pm
Assuming the Beardsley enquiry will be done by then  :iamatwat:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: NobbyOhNobby on Friday 11 May 2018, 05:11:56 am
Woolston going to Cardiff according to BBC gossip page
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Friday 11 May 2018, 09:43:07 am
Let the great purge begin.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Friday 11 May 2018, 10:18:06 am
Any championship team with a few quid should look to sign some of our players to get them back up.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 17 May 2018, 12:40:18 pm
The 12 week Summer transfer window opened today.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: afar on Thursday 17 May 2018, 09:34:23 pm
Woolston going to Cardiff according to BBC gossip page

Did we release him ? England youth product, seems a bit premature to give up on him.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Tuesday 22 May 2018, 11:53:06 am
So the geniuses who run NUFC didn't put relegation clauses into player contracts so our players received their Premiership wages in the Championship. You'd think they'd have learned that lesson from the last time NUFC were relegated.

Sounds like a big clear out of fringe players is planned to free up the wage bill and generate more transfer funds.

Pretty much all the players loaned out bar Woodman will be available for sale. High earners like Mbemba who weren't even getting on the bench will also be sold where possible.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ikon on Tuesday 22 May 2018, 03:46:49 pm
Really hope we can get of all the deadwood asap.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 11 June 2018, 04:23:30 pm
Haidara, Gamez and Good's contracts are not being renewed so they're off the books by the end of June.

I imagine Haidara and Gamez were on pretty decent wages so that will have freed up some wages to pay new first team players.

18 players from the under 23s aren't getting new contracts: -
Aziakonou, Cameron, Ben El-Mhanni, Findlay, Gallacher, Gillesphey, Heaney, Heardman, Hunter, Kitchen, Newberry, Pearson, C.Smith, L.Smith, Spooner, Ward, Williams, Woolston.

A massive recruitment drive for the under 23s squad pool is therefore a necessity.

Transfer window closes on Thursday 9th of August so that's 8 weeks to go.

Martin Dubravka our only 'new' player so far.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Monday 11 June 2018, 05:13:31 pm
Really hope we can get of all the deadwood asap.

What do you want them to do, cancel their contracts?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ikon on Monday 11 June 2018, 05:17:53 pm
Really hope we can get of all the deadwood asap.

What do you want them to do, cancel their contracts?

Depends I guess. I don't see it possible to get rid of all of them, especially not easily. Would be good though.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 15 July 2018, 02:47:48 pm
24 days until the 9th of August when the transfer window closes for Premiership clubs.

To do: -
Isaac Hayden handed in a transfer request so NUFC need to sell him and replace him.
Ideally sell Henri Saivet, Rolando Aarons, Aleksandar Mitrovic, Matz Sels, Chancel Mbemba, Achraf Lazaar, Jack Colback, etc.
Buy a right back to compete with Yedlin.
Buy a left back to compete with Dummett.
Buy a striker.
Buy a number 10.
Completely restock the under 23s squad pool.

That's a big list for a short amount of time.

Players can be sold to foreign leagues after August the 9th.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Mr Logic on Sunday 15 July 2018, 10:00:11 pm
Personally, I'd keep Aarons. Still sure there's a good player in there.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 July 2018, 10:20:49 pm
Personally, I'd keep Aarons. Still sure there's a good player in there.

I can't help but think if it was going to happen he'd have shown something, anything in Verona? Could he not even get a spot in the first XI of the second worst team in the league?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 15 July 2018, 10:24:03 pm
Personally, I'd keep Aarons. Still sure there's a good player in there.

Keeping it pretty will hidden now like.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Thursday 26 July 2018, 04:10:31 pm
Doing quite a good job of getting rid of the surplus this summer, though still a few to go.

Looks like Sterry, Lazaar, Hayden, Saivet, Aarons, Mitrovic, and Toney are all likely to move on.

That would leave us with 5 squad slots to fill, though I'd be surprised to see us bring in that many players in the time remaining.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Thursday 26 July 2018, 04:19:34 pm
Can't see us being able to get rid of Major Lazaar.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Thursday 26 July 2018, 04:23:46 pm
Can't see us being able to get rid of Major Lazaar.

Hopeful he'll end up in France now that they've got some TV money swilling about, same with Saivet.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Thursday 26 July 2018, 04:35:55 pm
Can't see us being able to get rid of Major Lazaar.

Hopeful he'll end up in France now that they've got some TV money swilling about, same with Saivet.

Hopefully, still got 3 years left here if not. I'm confident Saivet will leave eventually even if it's just on loan.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 26 July 2018, 05:22:13 pm
Doing quite a good job of getting rid of the surplus this summer, though still a few to go.

Looks like Sterry, Lazaar, Hayden, Saivet, Aarons, Mitrovic, and Toney are all likely to move on.

That would leave us with 5 squad slots to fill, though I'd be surprised to see us bring in that many players in the time remaining.

:thup: Regardless of the overall situation, this needed to happen. It's been clear since the beginning of last summer that the accumulation of unwanted/unneeded players has been a prohibitive factor in terms of Benitez getting the incomings he wants, and to some extent that's fair enough.

Rinse and repeat working with this budget though. Unshiftable Joselu after unshiftable Joselu.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Pip on Thursday 26 July 2018, 05:58:20 pm
Doing quite a good job of getting rid of the surplus this summer, though still a few to go.

Looks like Sterry, Lazaar, Hayden, Saivet, Aarons, Mitrovic, and Toney are all likely to move on.

That would leave us with 5 squad slots to fill, though I'd be surprised to see us bring in that many players in the time remaining.

:thup: Regardless of the overall situation, this needed to happen. It's been clear since the beginning of last summer that the accumulation of unwanted/unneeded players has been a prohibitive factor in terms of Benitez getting the incomings he wants, and to some extent that's fair enough.

Rinse and repeat working with this budget though. Unshiftable Joselu after unshiftable Joselu.

Not really Benitez’s fault though. The majority of our deadwood are players that were here before he came.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LRD on Sunday 5 August 2018, 07:17:08 am
As it stands with any Rondon deal.

                                 Rondon
                                 Joselu

Kenedy                      Ayoze                       Ritchie
Atsu                           Muto                       Murphy
 
                    Shelvey            Diame
                        Ki                Hayden

Dummett      Lejeune           Lascelles           Yedlin
                      Clark               Schar           Manquillo

                              Dubravka
                                Darlow
                                  Elliot

Still need a proper #10, a LB and another CB like.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Altamullan on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:42:47 am
Good to see it laid out like that :thup: Striker and left back short, as a bare minimum.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: thenige on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:55:52 am
You’ve got a few missing though really, albeit players you won’t expect Rafa to turn to:

Lazaar, Saivet, Aarons as players who it could be argued (by the money men) have contracts of first team squad players.

Then those who have come through who have been involved in pre-season (some of whom you’d still expect to be loaned out or sold):

Woodman, Yarney, Sterry, Longstaff, Roberts, Fernandez, Armstrong.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Shearergol on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:58:46 am
You’ve got a few missing though really, albeit players you won’t expect Rafa to turn to:

Lazaar, Saivet, Aarons as players who it could be argued (by the money men) have contracts of first team squad players.

Then those who have come through who have been involved in pre-season (some of whom you’d still expect to be loaned out or sold):

Woodman, Yarney, Sterry, Longstaff, Roberts, Fernandez, Armstrong.

Armo’s gone like
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: morla84 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:02:29 am
Still a few weeks to sell Lazaar and Saivet once the window shuts
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Leazes1986 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:07:26 am
From what I've been reading from people who have watched Muto regularly, he is no number 10. They all say he's a striker who works hard and makes runs behind the defence. We only have one number 10 and that is Perez. We could really do with a good quality addition in that position. It won't happen obviously.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LRD on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:23:39 am
You’ve got a few missing though really, albeit players you won’t expect Rafa to turn to:

Lazaar, Saivet, Aarons as players who it could be argued (by the money men) have contracts of first team squad players.

Then those who have come through who have been involved in pre-season (some of whom you’d still expect to be loaned out or sold):

Woodman, Yarney, Sterry, Longstaff, Roberts, Fernandez, Armstrong.

Only those likely to play a part are included.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: thenige on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:10:34 am
You’ve got a few missing though really, albeit players you won’t expect Rafa to turn to:

Lazaar, Saivet, Aarons as players who it could be argued (by the money men) have contracts of first team squad players.

Then those who have come through who have been involved in pre-season (some of whom you’d still expect to be loaned out or sold):

Woodman, Yarney, Sterry, Longstaff, Roberts, Fernandez, Armstrong.

Armo’s gone like

It’s not been confirmed yet.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: thenige on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:11:47 am
You’ve got a few missing though really, albeit players you won’t expect Rafa to turn to:

Lazaar, Saivet, Aarons as players who it could be argued (by the money men) have contracts of first team squad players.

Then those who have come through who have been involved in pre-season (some of whom you’d still expect to be loaned out or sold):

Woodman, Yarney, Sterry, Longstaff, Roberts, Fernandez, Armstrong.

Only those likely to play a part are included.

Desperate times and all that. Who really thought Saivet would start and score at West Ham last year? Unless these players aren’t registered of course.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toon25 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:16:11 am
Hayden is nowhere near adequate backup in the PL sadly.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: shakey jake on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:34:30 am
Is Lazaar totally useless or could he be backup to Dummett? I really don't know enough of him
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:40:19 am
Absolutely shitting his pants whenever he plays for us. Bit like the Murphy situation in the sense that there is probably at least a semi-decent player in there somewhere.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:58:17 am
From what I've been reading from people who have watched Muto regularly, he is no number 10. They all say he's a striker who works hard and makes runs behind the defence. We only have one number 10 and that is Perez. We could really do with a good quality addition in that position. It won't happen obviously.

Aye, as far as I can tell he's never been played at no.10 in his professional career, rather no.9 and occasionally on the wings. It's therefore unusual how so many are considering him an option for the no.10 position.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 5 August 2018, 12:11:34 pm
Is Lazaar totally useless or could he be backup to Dummett? I really don't know enough of him

The team stranded at the bottom of Serie A didn't even bother to register the lad for the second half of their season, and we decided to let him stay over there in spite of that. Probably safe to assume he'd be more use being chopped down for winter kindling.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 9 August 2018, 10:18:09 pm
IN
Martin Dubravka   £4m
Ki Sung-yueng Free
Kenedy Loan
Fabian Schär £3m
Yoshinori Muto £9.5m
Salomon Rondon Loan
Federico Fernandez £6m

OUT
Mikel Merino £10m
Jack Colback Loan
Chancel Mbemba £6m
Matz Sels £3.5m
Aleksandar Mitrovic £22m-£27m
Adam Armstrong £1.75m-£3m
Dwight Gayle Loan
Ivan Toney £650K

Players can be sold or loaned to most European leagues until August the 31st. Players NUFC will be looking to sell or loan out: -
Rolando Aarons
Henri Saivet
Achraf Lazaar

(Unless Rafa decides to keep some of them due to lack of squad depth) Players NUFC will be looking to loan out: -
Yarney
Longstaff
Roberts
Victor Fernandez
Woodman
Sterry

Was the under 23s squad pool restocked? I presume there can be no more recruitment for the under 23s squad pool unless the player is unattached?

No left back to compete with Dummett.
No number 10.
Isaac Hayden didn't get his move to a Southern based team.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: morla84 on Saturday 18 August 2018, 10:16:16 am
May be a thread somewhere, but strongest XI and bench?
                      Dubravka
Yedlin Lascelles Lejeune Dummett
                Shelvey Diame
Ritchie             Perez            Kenedy
                        Rondon

Darlow
Fernandez
Clark / Schar
Ki
Murphy / Atsu
Muto
Joselu

Muto looked bright when he came on, but not seen enough to take Perez place yet. Clark might be handy to fill in at left back. Probably Murphy over Atsu at the moment after last week's sub appearance
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Rich on Sunday 16 December 2018, 10:08:54 am
Needs a bump. Anyone have a clue what our best eleven now looks like? :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 16 December 2018, 10:10:41 am
On form this season I'd say...

Dubravka
Yedlin (by default)
Dummett (as above)
Schar (until Lejeune comes back to full fitness)
Fernandez
Ki
Diame
Ritchie
Kenedy
Perez
Rondon

Three of that front four haven't been great but best of an average bunch imo.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Rich on Sunday 16 December 2018, 10:13:31 am
My preference would be:

Dubravka

Yedlin
Schar
Fernandez
Lejeune
Dummett

Diame
Ki
Kenedy

Perez
Rondon

The ones I struggled with were Dummett, Kenedy, and Perez. Find it hard to make a case against the rest.

Kenedy/Ritchie alternatives at LWB, Shelvey/Ritchie/Atsu in the middle and Muto up top. If Muto hasn’t got that knock reckon the spot would be his, but he’s got some work to do now Perez is finding a bit of form again.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 16 December 2018, 10:29:30 am
Dubravka

Schar
Fede
Lejeune

Yedlin
Shelvey
Diame
Atsu

Perez
Muto

Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Kid Icarus on Sunday 16 December 2018, 10:33:31 am
I think it all depends on the formation and the opponent, but on their day, I'd be tempted to go with either

352:

Dubravka

Schär
Lascelles/Lejeune
Fernandez

Yedlin
Diame
Ki
Shelvey
Kenedy/Ritchie

Perez
Rondon

4231

Dubravka

Yedlin
Lascelles/Fernandez
Schär/Lejeune
Dummett

Ki/Diame
Shelvey/Diame

Ritchie
Perez
Kenedy

Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 16 December 2018, 11:10:59 am
Unlike relatively recent times (terrible managers notwithstanding), the current squad doesn't have the quality to showcase an outright system which says to the opposition 'come and beat us.' We have to set ourselves up based on the circumstance.

The first names on the teamsheet are Dubravka, Fernandez, Diame and Rondon; what comprises the rest of the line-up is basically much-of-a-muchness.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 31 January 2019, 02:18:56 pm
Dubravka

Schar
Lascelles
Lejeune

Yedlin
Ritchie

Longstaff
Diame

Ayoze
Almiron

Rondon

I think that’s good enough to see us safe mid-table. In the summer we ideally need upgrades at RWB and CM. Probably LWB too.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 31 January 2019, 02:25:11 pm
Dubravka

Schar
Lascelles
Lejeune

Yedlin
Ritchie

Longstaff
Diame

Ayoze
Almiron

Rondon

I think that’s good enough to see us safe mid-table. In the summer we ideally need upgrades at RWB and CM. Probably LWB too.

There's massive deficiencies but that spine is very solid on a good day, and would agree that it should see us safe.

Of the six you've positions/roles you've separated, there isn't one which couldn't be improved dramatically with some fairly standard investment. GK/CB being the most debatable, because we look pretty tidy there. 
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: toontenacity on Thursday 31 January 2019, 02:40:57 pm
People really think not one of Ki and Shelvey get into our best team? I hope Longstaff continues to do well — but it’s been like 2 good games...
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Sho'Time on Thursday 31 January 2019, 02:51:22 pm
GK: Dubravka

CB: Lejeune
CB: Fernandez
CB: Schar
RWB: Yedlin
LWB: Ritchie

CM: Shelvey
CM: Diame

AM: Perez
AM: Almiron

ST: Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Astroblack on Thursday 31 January 2019, 03:31:45 pm
              Dúbravka

  Schar   Fernandez Lejeune

Ritchie                        Kennedy

          Diame Longstaff   
               
       Perez            Almiron

              Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: steve_69 on Thursday 31 January 2019, 04:23:30 pm
                       Dubs

          Schar . Fernandez  Lejeune

Yedlin                                      Ritchie

                      Longstaff

          Shelvey                 Ki

                        Almiron

                        Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Kid Icarus on Thursday 31 January 2019, 04:36:12 pm
I think it's much more about versatility and interchangeability, but something like this.
 
                     Dúbravka
          Schar   Fernandez  Lejeune
                       Diame
Yedlin            Ki/Shelvey            Ritchie
              Perez          Almiron
                        Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Odear on Thursday 31 January 2019, 04:36:51 pm
                           Dubravka

     Schär             Lascelles        Lejeune

Yedlin        Hayden            Longstaff       Ritchie

          Perez                           Almiron

                             Rondón


On current/speculative form
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Collage on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:27:17 pm
Hayden and Longstaff? No way.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:34:05 pm
Dummett's going to be in for Schar in all these suggestions. He shouldn't be, but he will be.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:43:13 pm
Assuming everyone is fit, I'd go:

                        Dubravka

     Schär    Lascelles/Fernandez    Lejeune

Yedlin              Ki          Diame/Longstaff       Ritchie

          Perez                           Almirón

                          Rondón

Tough choice on the midfield and between Lascelles and Fernandez due to how the former played on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: HTT on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:45:36 pm
If only Shelvey was mobile and quicker, because we need some creativity in central midfield.

Full-back we are bang average and we would also need a goal scorer.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:48:12 pm
All I know is, if its not Rondon up top, it has to be Muto. I'm f***ing sick of the Hoss.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:55:04 pm
Really can't see Rafa playing Almiron and Perez at the same time very regularly, it's not as glamorous on paper but the idea that he wouldn't play at least one winger just isn't realistic IMO.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:55:12 pm
Surely we'll start seeing more of Muto in the second half of the season? Barely even feels like a Newcastle player so far.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:56:53 pm
Really can't see Rafa playing Almiron and Perez at the same time very regularly, it's not as glamorous on paper but the idea that he wouldn't play at least one winger just isn't realistic IMO.

Just seems harsh on Perez if he's dropped imo.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Bimpy474 on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:59:46 pm
Really can't see Rafa playing Almiron and Perez at the same time very regularly, it's not as glamorous on paper but the idea that he wouldn't play at least one winger just isn't realistic IMO.

Why not, he's playing Atsu and Perez together, and played Perez and Kenedy together at Burnley. There's no reason Almiron can't play instead of Atsu.

In the 3-4-3/5-2-2-1 formation we use fyi.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 31 January 2019, 05:59:53 pm
If Almiron has come in to displace Perez rather than Atsu I'd seriously question the whole point of the signing. :lol: The latter is physically incapable of kicking the ball with more force than an infant. It's not as if he's played like a winger in this set-up anyway; he's a lot more left-of-centre with Ritchie overlapping.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: James on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:02:13 pm
I thought the whole point of Almiron is to unlock Perez
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:02:32 pm
Really can't see Rafa playing Almiron and Perez at the same time very regularly, it's not as glamorous on paper but the idea that he wouldn't play at least one winger just isn't realistic IMO.

Just seems harsh on Perez if he's dropped imo.

It's about the balance of the team and knowing Rafa's tendencies. the team you posted but Atsu or Kenedy for Perez is what i think he'll do. Not really about Perez is more it is that Rafa will see it to be important to have some natural width alongside Almiron and Rondon.


Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:03:42 pm
I thought the whole point of Almiron is to unlock Perez

Nah the point is he's a #10 and we haven't had one in forever.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:04:12 pm
If Almiron has come in to displace Perez rather than Atsu I'd seriously question the whole point of the signing. :lol: The latter is physically incapable of kicking the ball with more force than an infant. It's not as if he's played like a winger in this set-up anyway; he's a lot more left-of-centre with Ritchie overlapping.

Maybe, but I want to see Almiron behind Rondon in the #10 role. We don't really play with wingers and Atsu I don't actually think has done that badly in that quasi CM position, although he's so frustrating when on the ball most of the time. Nice headache for Rafa to have I suppose.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:04:56 pm
Kenedy can't be trusted do anything right now. If we're replacing Perez what's the point? We've already signed and not bothered playing one lad who was supposed to do that
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:06:42 pm
Really can't see Rafa playing Almiron and Perez at the same time very regularly, it's not as glamorous on paper but the idea that he wouldn't play at least one winger just isn't realistic IMO.

Just seems harsh on Perez if he's dropped imo.

It's about the balance of the team and knowing Rafa's tendencies. the team you posted but Atsu or Kenedy for Perez is what i think he'll do. Not really about Perez is more it is that Rafa will see it to be important to have some natural width alongside Almiron and Rondon.

Maybe, but Almiron like you say has been bought as a #10. If we stick with the 5-3-1-1 I'm not sure where the width could come from aside from the wing backs.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:06:58 pm
Do people see Atsu and Perez as playing different positions? I see them as playing directly opposite each other to be honest.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:09:18 pm
Do people see Atsu and Perez as playing different positions? I see them as playing directly opposite each other to be honest.

Him and Perez go wide when we're out of possession and defending in low block in like a 5-4-1. When we're attacking we go to like a 5-3-1-1 with Perez behind Rondon and Atsu in like a sort of free(ish) role in front of Longstaff and Hayden, or 5-2-2-1 with the two of them either side of Rondon. It seems to vary.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:09:54 pm
Kenedy can't be trusted do anything right now. If we're replacing Perez what's the point? We've already signed and not bothered playing one lad who was supposed to do that

Point is if he's as good as reputation says he's significantly better lol, we haven't had a proper AM in years the rest doesn't really matter tbh. Honestly if he's as good as people who have watched him seems to think he is then he's someone we haven't had in forever and people are honestly underestimating the impact someone like that should have on the team.

Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Bimpy474 on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:09:58 pm
Do people see Atsu and Perez as playing different positions? I see them as playing directly opposite each other to be honest.

Aye, in our 3 at the back formation they're playing basically as two 10's, it's what i'm seeing anyhoo.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:13:09 pm
Almiron's also much more free role than second striker like Perez. Atsu's position, if it really is different, looks made for him.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:15:36 pm
It's such a shame Kenedy's form has plummeted so dramatically. Not a clue where he's ever going to fit in now.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Kanji on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:21:15 pm
This formation we're currently playing has been the making of Perez. IMO Almiron will displace Atsu. He and Ayoze will drop wide when in defense. If we go back to the 4-2-3-1 then Almiron will go back to being the #10 and I could def see Ayoze going out and playing wide.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:22:03 pm
It's such a shame Kenedy's form has plummeted so dramatically. Not a clue where he's ever going to fit in now.
Chelsea's reserves. Honestly, for me he's 3rd choice Left wing back and 5th choice for one of the two number 10 positions.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:23:00 pm
This formation we're currently playing has been the making of Perez. IMO Almiron will displace Atsu. He and Ayoze will drop wide when in defense. If we go back to the 4-2-3-1 then Almiron will go back to being the #10 and I could def see Ayoze going out and playing wide.

I'd probably argue for this for the Huddersfield and Burnley double header in a few weeks.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: STM on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:28:38 pm
Perez and Almiron will be a thorn for most defences, as thorny as a thorny thing, a bush, as thorny as a bush.

It's been a long day.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: STM on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:31:09 pm
Dubz

Yedlin
Schar
Lascelles
Lejeune
Ritchie/Dummett/Barreca

Longstaff
Diame

Perez
Almiron

Rondon

Something like that.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:35:27 pm
This formation we're currently playing has been the making of Perez. IMO Almiron will displace Atsu. He and Ayoze will drop wide when in defense. If we go back to the 4-2-3-1 then Almiron will go back to being the #10 and I could def see Ayoze going out and playing wide.

This i agree with, my opinion was more based on the current formation Rafa is using. I hope i'm wrong, but i have a feeling he will want a winger alongside Almiron even if they aren't playing there but have the ability to do it if necessary.

Think he will see it as having more tactical flexibility and width for balance, i mean he could prove me wrong but based on his history that's what i expect.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: triggs on Thursday 31 January 2019, 06:43:54 pm
Really can't see Rafa playing Almiron and Perez at the same time very regularly, it's not as glamorous on paper but the idea that he wouldn't play at least one winger just isn't realistic IMO.
We don’t play with wingers as it is. Perez and Atsu play in the same role just on opposite sides
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:07:55 pm
Aye, I’d hope Almiron for Atsu will be the swap.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:09:55 pm
Aye, I’d hope Almiron for Atsu will be the swap.

:thup:
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:11:51 pm
I don’t think tactics will change even as we add quality in attack. Difference is we’ll have more quality on the ball rather than keep surrendering possession and being forced back on the back foot. I still think we’d defend deep but with a better chance of hurting the opposition when we break.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:12:18 pm
If it isn't, man... :lol: :anguish: I mean, it just feels like it's everything Ayoze's needed this season; someone to take the heat off him being the only meaningful foil for Rondon. I don't believe there's anything Atsu has that Perez doesn't. They're both skilful, positive and graft. Neither are very strong. Except Perez has some genuine attacking instinct and the ability to finish.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Sho'Time on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:31:48 pm
I'm a little bit baffled as to why Longstaff is down in so many 'best XI's'. I know he's done well and exceeded expectations since he came in but c'mon. :lol:
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tribesman on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:38:51 pm
If Almiron starts well then a front 3 of Rondon, Perez and Almiron could be great.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:43:16 pm
I'm a little bit baffled as to why Longstaff is down in so many 'best XI's'. I know he's done well and exceeded expectations since he came in but c'mon. :lol:

It’s not like we’re brimming with talent in that area and he’s played as well as anyone.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Sho'Time on Thursday 31 January 2019, 07:50:40 pm
He's played exceedingly well in comparison to what you could expect from a young player being chucked in at the deep end, but he certainly doesn't look like he's better than Ki, Diame or Shelvey.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 31 January 2019, 08:10:02 pm
In the centre I think that Ki should be the first name on the team sheet. Not sure who I'd play with him though.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: morla84 on Thursday 31 January 2019, 08:43:07 pm
                       Dubravka
          Schar Fernandez Lejeune
Yedlin                                       Berocca
              Ki                    Shelvey     
                  Almiron Muto       
                        Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Gorilla on Thursday 31 January 2019, 08:51:20 pm
I'm a little bit baffled as to why Longstaff is down in so many 'best XI's'. I know he's done well and exceeded expectations since he came in but c'mon. :lol:
Well to be fair Pep Guardiola is probably a better judge of a holding midfielder than any of us on here so can see why anyone would put him in. I would probably have him and Ki but not every game. It is Ki and either Diame or Longstaff for me. I think come the summer we need to sell shelves and bring in another more creative CM, sell Diame and bring in another holding midfielder. If we do that I would be happy with our Central midfield but we probably need another as Hayden will leave.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Kid Icarus on Thursday 31 January 2019, 08:56:03 pm
Longstaff's been impressive, but I'd want to see more of the same for another few matches before thinking it's his place to lose just yet. He also still has a lot to learn and a relegation fight isn't the ideal situation for us to have the luxury of having him learn in, or for him to learn in.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Kanji on Thursday 31 January 2019, 09:33:05 pm
I think he's simply played as good as Ki has for us in the few matches he's played and better than anything Shelvey has done for us this season. Diame has covered so much damn ground, he's still our best holding player when fit. So on just simple form alone for Longstaff and Diame is a better all around holding player than Hayden.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 31 January 2019, 09:41:44 pm
He's in possession of the shirt and I don't think the competition is far more superior.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Kid Icarus on Thursday 31 January 2019, 09:47:55 pm
There's no way he's been as good as Ki imo, not that I think that should be the expectation of him just yet
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Friday 1 February 2019, 03:47:22 pm
I think we need to massively upgrade the central midfield. If Shelvey was on it we’d probably need one but we need quality.

I think our defensive unit is top 8-9 material.
Striker is a top 10 striker.
Attacking midfield we don’t know yet but on paper you’d hope a £20m player is a step towards top 8 material.
Midfield though I see as bottom 6 in the table.

Wing-backs could do with an upgrade too.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: STM on Friday 1 February 2019, 03:51:38 pm
I'm a little bit baffled as to why Longstaff is down in so many 'best XI's'. I know he's done well and exceeded expectations since he came in but c'mon. :lol:

He was part of a team that beat one of the best sides in the world and has more potential than anyone coming through our system in donkeys years.

Why wouldn't you want to continue his development?

He's been the highlight of the season for me, so far.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Bimpy474 on Friday 1 February 2019, 04:06:45 pm
Longstaff's age and experience are less relevant now, he's played better than Diame and Shelvey have.

Until his form drops he's earned the shirt for the time being imo.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Kanji on Friday 1 February 2019, 04:11:36 pm
Longstaff's age and experience are less relevant now, he's played better than Diame and Shelvey have.

Until his form drops he's earned the shirt for the time being imo.

^ this
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 1 February 2019, 04:35:24 pm
Longstaff's age and experience are less relevant now, he's played better than Diame and Shelvey have.

Until his form drops he's earned the shirt for the time being imo.

^ this

:thup:
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: mickthemagpie on Friday 1 February 2019, 05:05:27 pm
Longstaff's age and experience are less relevant now, he's played better than Diame and Shelvey have.

Until his form drops he's earned the shirt for the time being imo.

^ this

:thup:

 :thup: :thup:
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: aussiemag on Friday 1 February 2019, 05:12:41 pm
                           Dubravka
            Schar.      Fernandez.    Lejeune
Yedlin.           Diame.         Ki.            Ritchie
                 Perez.                Almirón
                             Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Raconteur on Friday 1 February 2019, 09:33:18 pm
                           Dubravka
            Schar.      Fernandez.    Lejeune
Yedlin.           Diame.         Ki.            Ritchie
                 Perez.                Almirón
                             Rondon


That’s it for me, although Lascelles/Fernandez is a tricky one.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: morla84 on Sunday 3 February 2019, 05:07:04 pm
Got to be a windup?
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Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: covmag on Sunday 3 February 2019, 05:36:45 pm
                           Dubravka
            Schar.      Fernandez.    Lejeune
Yedlin.           Diame.         Ki.            Ritchie
                 Perez.                Almirón
                             Rondon

This although I loath to pick Yedlin but there’s nee one else.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: binnsy on Sunday 3 February 2019, 08:31:22 pm
                           Dubravka
            Schar.      Fernandez.    Lejeune
Yedlin.           Diame.         Ki.            Ritchie
                 Perez.                Almirón
                             Rondon

This although I loath to pick Yedlin but there’s nee one else.

take it you're not a fan of Manquillo then?
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Raconteur on Sunday 3 February 2019, 09:26:02 pm
Manquillo’s mum’s not a fan.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tribesman on Sunday 3 February 2019, 09:26:48 pm
I actually think Manquillo is better going forward than Yedlin.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 3 February 2019, 09:52:28 pm
I actually think Manquillo is better going forward than Yedlin.

no
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 3 February 2019, 10:58:51 pm
I actually think Manquillo is better going forward than Yedlin.

Stop.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: loki679 on Monday 4 February 2019, 12:03:46 am
f***ing hell :lol:  Stifler’s better going forward than Manquillo ffs
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 4 February 2019, 02:05:02 pm
                                 Dubravka
            Lascelles         Lejeune           Schar
Yedlin                                                          Barreca
                                   Diame
                 Ki                                Longstaff
                                  Almirón
                  Perez                        Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 4 February 2019, 02:16:03 pm
Even after picking 12 players you’re still wrong.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Sho'Time on Monday 4 February 2019, 02:17:13 pm
:lol: Hopefully nobody will notice when we send out an extra man.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 4 February 2019, 02:18:28 pm
Even after picking 12 players you’re still wrong.

:lol: didn't even blink as I typed it out
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: triggs on Monday 4 February 2019, 02:21:02 pm
f***ing hell :lol:  Stifler’s better going forward than Manquillo ffs
Manquillo's decent going forward when he's on the right like. Yedlin still gives us a lot more with his pace mind
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tribesman on Monday 4 February 2019, 05:45:43 pm
Manquillo just needs a run of matches at right back.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Sho'Time on Monday 4 February 2019, 07:34:56 pm
Manquillo just needs a run of matches at right back.

 :lol: Manquillo just needs to f*** off tbh.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 4 February 2019, 07:34:59 pm
You miiiight be able to make a case that Manquillo is better defensively. I don’t think that’s true either, but it’s a sounder case than suggesting he’s better going forward than Yedlin.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Away Day Gadgie on Monday 4 February 2019, 07:38:50 pm
Manquillo has actually been ok the last few times he’s played RB, definitely think that’s been overlooked a little bit.  He’s a poor player though, and Yedlin is only marginally better IMO.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: morla84 on Saturday 16 February 2019, 09:34:06 am
                          Dubravka
         Fernandez Lascelles Lejeune
Yedlin        Longstaff       Ki          Ritchie
               Perez                Almiron
                           Rondon
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 16 February 2019, 12:42:04 pm
Manquillo has actually been ok the last few times he’s played RB, definitely think that’s been overlooked a little bit.  He’s a poor player though, and Yedlin is only marginally better IMO.

Evel Knievel the mad b****** he was, wouldn't have even tried to jump the marginally better chasm between them like.
Title: Re: The Squad - what’s our best eleven?
Post by: David Edgar on Saturday 16 February 2019, 12:42:21 pm
Joselu staking his claim today.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 13 May 2019, 12:10:05 pm
Out of contract Summer 2019: -
Mohamed Diame and Callum Roberts.

Out of contract Summer 2020: -
Joselu, Javier Manquillo, Federico Fernandez, Ki Sungyueng, Rob Elliot, Karl Darlow, Freddie Woodman and Jamie Sterry.

Goalkeepers: -
Martin Dubravka is the number 1. After him there is Karl Darlow with 1 year left on his contract. Rafa has said Rob Elliot is available for transfer. Freddie Woodman has 1 year on his contract but probably won't want to stay any longer.
I would think NUFC will be after a second choice goalkeeper in the Summer.

Centre Backs: -
Ciaran Clark, Paul Dummett, Fabian Schär, Jamaal Lascelles, Federico Fernandez and Florian Lejeune.
For once NUFC are well stocked with quality Centre Backs. I'd imagine Clark would be most likely to leave due to lack of game time.

Left Back/Right Back/Wing Back: -
Matt Ritchie, Javier Manquillo, DeAndre Yedlin, Paul Dummett, Jamie Sterry and Achraf Lazaar.
Achraf Lazaar and Jamie Sterry will be sold if possible and a LB/LWB is required. Upgrade on RB/RWB if possible.

Centre Midfield: -
Ki Sungyueng, Jonjo Shelvey, Mohamed Diame, Sean Longstaff, Isaac Hayden, Jack Colback and Henri Saivet.
Diame wanted a 2 year contract but wasn't offered one so will almost certainly leave as a free agent. Jack Colback and Henri Saivet are available for transfer. Hayden wants to leave for family reasons to a club further South. Shelvey didn't get much game time due to the form of others.

Wingers: -
Miguel Almiron, Matt Ritchie, Christian Atsu, Jacob Murphy, Kenedy and Rolando Aarons.
Aarons will be available for transfer. Jacob Murphy has been on the bench a lot while on loan with West Brom. Kenedy is on loan from Chelsea.

Strikers/Forwards: -
Salomon Rondon, Ayoze Perez, Yoshinori Muto, Dwight Gayle, Joselu.
Salomon Rondon is on loan from West Brom. Joselu will be available for transfer. Gayle wants to play in the Premiership. Rafa didn't want to loan him out but it was the only way to get West Brom to loan NUFC Rondon. Perez has mentioned wanting to play in Spain.

Rondon/Main Striker, LB/LWB, Centre Midfield, 2nd choice goalkeeper then possible upgrades elsewhere seem to be the priority areas (after securing Rafa as manager).
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: County Durham Mag on Monday 13 May 2019, 12:23:10 pm
Dubravka

Yedlin
Lascelles
Schar
Lejeune
New Left Wing Back

Longstaff
New CM

Almiron
Perez
Rondon


Bench/Squad

New Sub keeper
Fernandez
Dummett
New right wing back
Diame
Ki
Shelvey
Ritchie
Atsu
New Winger
New Striker

Would be a decent squad
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ian W on Monday 13 May 2019, 12:26:17 pm
If you're buying a new RWB I'd rather buy a first-team one than a sub for Yedlin.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 13 May 2019, 01:00:14 pm
I kind of want to keep Gayle if possible. I don't see us buying two strikers and I can't deal with Joselu as second choice. Plus if we have Rondon as first choice I'd want a different type of striker as an alternative.

Come home Dwight.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ian W on Monday 13 May 2019, 03:57:49 pm
Same, definitely.

Reckon Woodman is ready to be reserve keeper?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toontownman on Monday 13 May 2019, 06:44:23 pm
Same, definitely.

Reckon Woodman is ready to be reserve keeper?
He is off surely. He should have been reserve keeper this year or at least on loan. We have stitched him up a bit imo.

It is a huge turn over this summer one way or another.

Personally keeping the likes of Diame, Ritchie, gayle and Shelvey seems smart as squad players. The issue there is that none want to be that.

If Rafa is gone there is a whole pit of players that Charnley and Ashley could and likely will cash in on. Lascelles, Perez, Schar, Shelvey (ironically more likely to stay if Rafa goes), Dubravka could all be sold imo.

If Rafa stays we are still looking at exits for Kennedy, Diame, Joselu, Ritchie, Shelvey and Hayden. We will also be looking to shift most of our loanees, Lazaar, Colback, Aarons, saivet, sterry. Wouldn't rule out Muto or Atsu leaving.

The only place we don't need improving is Central defence and possibly Goalkeeper (although we have been linked with a back up forever so don't be surprised to see at least two of blob, woodman and darlow leaving).

We need two new starting fullbacks for either side
at least two new central midfielders if not 3
one more winger if not two
two strikers (one if Rondon stays)

It's a hell of an overhaul ahead for whomever is in charge.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 04:02:45 pm
Back from the dead...

Am I right in thinking the club has too many players for the 25 man squad currently?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Mikky on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 04:10:10 pm
Back from the dead...

Am I right in thinking the club has too many players for the 25 man squad currently?

Yes - the like of Dubravka, Schar and Longstaff can go
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Fitzgerald on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 04:17:47 pm
Back from the dead...

Am I right in thinking the club has too many players for the 25 man squad currently?

Dubravka*
Blob
Darlow
Woodman

Yedlin*
Manquillo
Lascellout*
Schar *
Lejeune *
Fernandez *
Dummett *
Clark
Lazaar
Ginger dog

Hayden *
Ki *
Jonjer* when he can be arsed
Longstaff *
Almiron *

Atsu
Ritchie *
Murphy
Aarons

Gayle
Joelinton ?

25 man squad. I make it about 12 that are serviceable/ proven to do a basic job in the PL. ones worth having and who can do a job in the PL 19/20 marked with a *.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 04:35:52 pm
Meant from the age side of things. Couldn't give a s*** if they're good or not. Adapted the squad submitted last time...

25 Squad players (*Home grown)

Clark, Ciaran*
Darlow, Karl*
Diame, Mohamed Saivet
Dubravka, Martin
Dummett, Paul*
Elliot, Robert*
Fernandez, Federico
Gutierrez, Ayoze Perez Almiron
Hayden, Isaac Scot*
Ki, Sung Yueng
Lascelles, Jamaal*
Lazaar, Achraf
Lejeune, Florian
Manquillo, Javier
Mato Sanmartin, Jose Luis Colback*
Murphy, Jacob*
Muto, Yoshinori
Kenedy Aarons*
Ritchie, Matthew*
Rondon, Jose Solomon Joelinton
Schar, Fabian
Shelvey, Jonjo*
Sterry, Jamie*
Twasam, Christian Atsu
Yedlin, Deandre

Plus that new kid Scott (too old). They'll have a sweat on if they think they're going to paying someone with no use.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: jonny1403 on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 04:44:04 pm
Back from the dead...

Am I right in thinking the club has too many players for the 25 man squad currently?

Dubravka*
Blob
Darlow
Woodman

Yedlin*
Manquillo
Lascellout*
Schar *
Lejeune *
Fernandez *
Dummett *
Clark
Lazaar
Ginger dog

Hayden *
Ki *
Jonjer* when he can be arsed
Longstaff *
Almiron *

Atsu
Ritchie *
Murphy
Aarons

Gayle
Joelinton ?

25 man squad. I make it about 12 that are serviceable/ proven to do a basic job in the PL. ones worth having and who can do a job in the PL 19/20 marked with a *.

Very harsh on Clark and Atsu.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Toon No9 on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 05:21:29 pm
Back from the dead...

Am I right in thinking the club has too many players for the 25 man squad currently?

Dubravka*
Blob
Darlow
Woodman

Yedlin*
Manquillo
Lascellout*
Schar *
Lejeune *
Fernandez *
Dummett *
Clark
Lazaar
Ginger dog

Hayden *
Ki *
Jonjer* when he can be arsed
Longstaff *
Almiron *

Atsu
Ritchie *
Murphy
Aarons

Gayle
Joelinton ?

25 man squad. I make it about 12 that are serviceable/ proven to do a basic job in the PL. ones worth having and who can do a job in the PL 19/20 marked with a *.

Very harsh on Clark and Atsu.

Manquillo > Yedlin imho
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Fitzgerald on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 06:13:11 pm
Yeah I was harsh on manquillo if anything as he was solid at times. But that was under Rafa

Half of the capable bunch was under Rafa too so without his organisation sports direct probably have 4 or 5 PL players. Hopefully that sinks them
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: AsprillasShinPad on Tuesday 30 July 2019, 11:54:31 pm
Dubravka - 7/10 Keep hold no matter what
Blob - 2/10 Let go
Darlow - 2/10 Let go
Woodman - ?/10 Still developing.  Give some cup games to see what happens.

Yedlin - 3/10 Not good enough.  Need an upgrade.
Manquillo 5/10 - Meh.
Lascellout  4/10 - Shouldn't be captain.
Schar 7/10 - Keep at all costs.
Lejeune 6/10 - Fine.
Fernandez 7/10 - Good.
Dummett 5/10 - OK. Unlikely to be upgraded on.
Clark 4/10 - Meh.
Lazaar 1/10 - Not good enough.
Ginger dog 0/10 - f*** off.

Hayden 4/10 - Meh.
Ki 4/10 - Meh.
Jonjer 3/10 - One trick pony who is now obsolete because of Schar.
Longstaff 8/10 - Keep no matter what.
Almiron 8/10 - Keep hold, important player.

Atsu 3/10 - Not rounded enough.
Ritchie 3/10 - Gone backwards an astounding amount last season.
Murphy 0/10 - s****. Get rid ASAP.
Aarons 0/10 - Not going to make it in the top two divisions.

Gayle 2/10 - EFL standard and no more. Get rid.
Joelinton ?/10 - Dunno, but better hope he's good.

Which leaves us:

------------------Dubs
--------Lejeune Schar Fernandez
New RWB------------------Dummett
----Hayden--Longstaff--Ki
----------------Almiron
---------------Joe Linton

Woodman
Manquillo
Lascelles
Clark
Atsu
Ritchie
f*** knows Midfielder
f*** knows striker

So if we want to play with wing backs, we desperately need a new RWB, and we're relying on Dummett who is a LB and not a LWB.  We also have no credible LW or RW or even RF and LF if we wanted to go to a back four.  Also, if Joe Linton turns out to be s*** or gets injured, we're f***ed.  And we have such a sparse CM collection, it's laughable.  If Hayden doesn't stay, we're relying on Shelvey or Cack Lolcack.  FFS.

If we are to have any chance of staying up we need as a minimum:

RWB
CM
CF
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 2 August 2019, 07:49:52 pm
So,

Rondon > Joelinton
Perez > Saint-Maximin
Kenedy > Willems
Joselu > Gayle
Diame > Colback
Neeone > Murphy
Neeone > Lazaar
Neeone > Saivet

I know it doesn't matter but do we have any improvements there, do we reckon?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Friday 2 August 2019, 08:10:06 pm
So,

Rondon > Joelinton
Perez > Saint-Maximin
Kenedy > Willems
Joselu > Gayle
Diame > Colback
Neeone > Murphy
Neeone > Lazaar
Neeone > Saivet

I know it doesn't matter but do we have any improvements there, do we reckon?

No one has a clue on the top 2 which outweigh all the others hugely. Got to score more goals than they’ve ever managed in a far superior league. So annoying they’ve been given to a patsy pasty.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Friday 2 August 2019, 08:42:14 pm
I think they’ll get 20-25 between them. Almiron should be looking in the 6-10 bracket too for goals and assists so up top I think it’ll be ok.

Midfield is 1-2 injuries away from being decimated though and I’ve no faith that Bruce can organise a team which will lead to Schar or Lejeune (or both) being the first scapegoat of the season.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Toon No9 on Sunday 4 August 2019, 08:53:14 am
So, time for Bruce to pick the 25 man squad for the season. Who's gonna make the squad and who will miss out?
We simply have to sell a few players before the window closes. But the time is running out as usual.
Is it ok to loan out players after the window closes?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 4 August 2019, 08:57:06 am
Every other countries market remains open.


I miss the old championship short term loans that were done in autumn tbh.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Fitzgerald on Sunday 4 August 2019, 10:17:31 am
Dubravka
Darlow

Willems
Dummett
Schar
Lascellout
Lejeune
Fernandez
Manquillo

Hayden
Ki
Shelvey
Longstaff

Almiron
Saint maxim
Atsu

Joelinton
Muto
Gayle

Under a competent manager if they got rid of, Elliot, yedlin, Clark, Lazaar, ginger dog, Aarons and Murphy. Then got in a RB and another CM/no10 then that's pretty much a mid table squad
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 4 August 2019, 07:15:24 pm
Dubravka
Darlow
Elliot

Yedlin
Manquillo
Dummett
Willems
Schar
Fernandez
Lejeune
Lascelles
Clark

Hayden
Longstaff
Ki
Shelvey
Saivet

Saint-Maximin
Almiron
Atsu
Ritchie
Murphy

Joelinton
Gayle
Muto


Though there's no way Saivet makes it in over Colback.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 4 August 2019, 07:24:57 pm
We really need to move Lazaar, Colback, Murphy, at minimum.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Fitzgerald on Sunday 4 August 2019, 07:26:56 pm
Aarons as well
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 4 August 2019, 07:35:58 pm
Aarons as well
Didn't think he played that badly yesterday tbh. Doesn't mean we shouldn't still be shipping him. Think the fact he worked with Bruce last year might mean he is kept around as squad depth at the expense of Murphy and maybe atsu though.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Monday 5 August 2019, 07:26:02 pm
So we have a 25 man squad, of which 8 must be home-grown players? and U-21s don't count against the 25 then.

So need to loan out or sell 4 out of: Colback, Hayden, Lazaar, Murphy, Gayle, Saivet, Sterry, Elliot, Kyle Scott --> guess that Colback, Lazaar, Saivet, Sterry go? Could we loan out Kyle Scott? :lol:

I assume that means Matty Longstaff, Cass, Watts, Tom Allan and Sorensen can either stay or be loaned out and used accordingly as they are all under 21.

Number needs to increase 6 outgoings if Thiago Maia and Krafth sign for us.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 9 August 2019, 03:07:09 pm
Any idea what time the list of 25 will be released?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: SiLvOR on Friday 9 August 2019, 03:10:27 pm
Think it's 5pm?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 9 August 2019, 03:31:51 pm
:thup: cheers
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Papavasiliou on Friday 9 August 2019, 03:38:57 pm
https://www.nufc.co.uk/news/latest-news/newcastle-united-name-25-man-squad-and-numbers-for-201920-premier-league-campaign/

Newcastle United's 25-man squad is:

1 Martin Dúbravka
2 Ciaran Clark (homegrown)
3 Paul Dummett (homegrown)
4 Ki Sung-yueng
5 Fabian Schär
6 Jamaal Lascelles (homegrown)
7 Andy Carroll (homegrown)
8 Jonjo Shelvey (homegrown)
9 Joelinton
10 Allan Saint-Maximin
11 Matt Ritchie (homegrown)
12 Dwight Gayle (homegrown)
13 Yoshinori Muto
14 Isaac Hayden (homegrown)
15 Jetro Willems
17 Emil Krafth
18 Federico Fernández
19 Javier Manquillo
20 Florian Lejeune
21 Rob Elliot (homegrown)
22 DeAndre Yedlin
24 Miguel Almirón
26 Karl Darlow (homegrown)
30 Christian Atsu
36 Sean Longstaff (homegrown)

In addition, Matty Longstaff, who is under the age of 21 and as such does not need to be named in the 25-man squad, will wear number 43.

Missing out on the 25-man squad are Jack Colback, Achraf Lazaar, Rolando Aarons, Henri Saivet and Jamie Sterry, while Jacob Murphy and Freddie Woodman have joined Sheffield Wednesday and Swansea City respectively on loan.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:11:42 pm
Surprisingly, no ugly surprises.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: SiLvOR on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:17:29 pm
:thup: cheers

:lol: Got that wrong then
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Jimburst on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:21:59 pm
Achraf has been absolutely f***ed like. He must be actual s****, but it's rubbish to see somone get so few chances.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:24:27 pm
Have to think Rolando thought he was starting on Sunday; hell I thought he was going to as well. I'm shocked about it - and was starting to feel that way yesterday when they said he'd potentially go out on loan.

But What in the living f*** is Shola doing not getting that one sorted?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:27:26 pm
Was hoping Longstaff would have gotten a single digit number like 4 or in the teens like 12 or 16. Wanted Miguel to get the 10 or 7 and would have been cool to see Carroll go back to the 24 from the Champo season.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: bhoywhonder on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:35:38 pm
Does seem odd that Almiron stays at 24 while 8 games a season (and thats optimistic) Carroll gets 7. Also, how do ROI internationals count as homegrown, whats the criteria?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: loki679 on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:37:40 pm
Carroll at 7 is a weird one.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ameritoon on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:39:18 pm
Does seem odd that Almiron stays at 24 while 8 games a season (and thats optimistic) Carroll gets 7. Also, how do ROI internationals count as homegrown, whats the criteria?

Homegrown denotes where you were trained, Clark was in Villa's academy and Blob was in Charlton's. They're both English born anyway
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: bhoywhonder on Friday 9 August 2019, 04:56:39 pm
Ah ok, cheers
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Fitzgerald on Friday 9 August 2019, 05:01:52 pm
So

Dubravka darlow blob

Yedlin manquillo krafth dummett lascellout Fernandez lejeune Schar Clark willems

Hayden ki longstaff Shelvey

Almiron Ritchie atsu Saint maximin

Joelinton Gayle Carroll muto
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yerdas El Savon on Friday 9 August 2019, 05:05:14 pm
2 Clark
7 Carroll
12 and 13 for Gayle and Muto. Absolute disgrace.

ASM should be 7, Almiron 10 and Krafth 2.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Kanji on Friday 9 August 2019, 05:20:43 pm
Krafth 2, Longstaff 7, Almiron 10, ASM 11, IMO
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yerdas El Savon on Friday 9 August 2019, 05:23:29 pm
Longstaff 4 or 8, but I could live with 7.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Bimpy474 on Friday 9 August 2019, 05:38:12 pm
Shirt numbers mean feck all now, players usually chose a number they just like.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ayerso on Friday 9 August 2019, 09:29:21 pm
Kyle Scott must be glad he signed
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Infinitely Content on Friday 9 August 2019, 09:31:33 pm
Kyle Scott must be glad he signed

Yes, it was a happy day for him and his family by all accounts.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Toon No9 on Friday 9 August 2019, 09:35:20 pm
Did we ever get to know who the mystery signing pictured with a shirt at St James Park is?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Infinitely Content on Friday 9 August 2019, 09:36:18 pm
Did we ever get to know who the mystery signing pictured with a shirt at St James Park is?

Yes, it was Tranquillo Barnetta blacked up.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Disco on Friday 9 August 2019, 09:39:44 pm
Did we ever get to know who the mystery signing pictured with a shirt at St James Park is?

Robert Mugabe
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Shearergol on Friday 9 August 2019, 10:47:03 pm
Kyle Scott must be glad he signed

He’s only 21 though?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: AY on Saturday 10 August 2019, 07:05:24 am
Kyle Scott must be glad he signed

He’s only 21 though?

22 this year so isn't eligible for team. Maybe League Cup games and reserves then..
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: taxfree on Saturday 10 August 2019, 07:46:39 am
Kyle Scott must be glad he signed

Pretty sure he was told what he was coming to. A year of showing what he's about in the u23's and possibly in cup's.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: morla84 on Saturday 10 August 2019, 08:00:12 am
Kyle Scott must be glad he signed

Pretty sure he was told what he was coming to. A year of showing what he's about in the u23's and possibly in cup's.
Think he was told hed be straight in as a first team regular after 14 games in the Dutch 2nd division last season 👍
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: taxfree on Saturday 10 August 2019, 08:04:52 am
?s=20

Some weird ones. Some good ones.

How long is Ritchie's current contract? Any more than a two year deal for that c*** is taking the p*ss. Also, didn't Lascelles just sign a new contract? Surely he doesn't need a new one already.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: taxfree on Saturday 10 August 2019, 08:20:22 am
Steve talking about Ritchie as a part of the future, the cornerstone, the nucleus of the squad. No wonder the c*** brown nosed Mike Ashley.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 10 August 2019, 08:28:55 am
Doesn't need explaining but if Ritchie is our future then we're basically just accepting our very low ceiling. He was purchased because we needed a winger who would guarantee goals from midfield in the Championship. Him being part of the season 2 consolidation effort was fair enough, but there was still no reason why he couldn't have been upgraded on as soon as we got promoted. Two years on from that moment and he's still one of the first names on the teamsheet? Just another sorry example of the club's total lack of ambition.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: David Edgar on Sunday 11 August 2019, 11:34:45 pm
On watching Joelinton and S-M, we 100% have not replaced Ayoze's general play and teamwork.  We've lost a player who knew how to attack and defend in equal measure.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: chopey on Sunday 11 August 2019, 11:58:28 pm
The scary thing is the players Rafa would have looked to off load and replace with better to take us to the next level are the ones Bruce wants new contracts for.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ian W on Monday 12 August 2019, 12:26:06 am
Not sure Bruce has much to do with it TBF, except he’s prepared to say any old s****.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Friday 30 August 2019, 12:06:31 pm
Not long left in the Summer transfer window for Rolando Aarons, Jack Colback, Achraf Lazaar, Henri Saivet and Jamie Sterry to find a new club. The 2nd of September seems to be the last day to sort a move to a League One, League Two or European club.

"European transfer deadline day: When does summer window close?"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49501062
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 31 August 2019, 12:09:08 pm
Surely he won't be sold, especially with the injuries we currently have.

Valencia interested in Javier Manquillo.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-news-live-achraf-16843034
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Ayerso on Saturday 31 August 2019, 12:53:51 pm
Surely he won't be sold, especially with the injuries we currently have.

Valencia interested in Javier Manquillo.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-news-live-achraf-16843034

I think they’ll sell him, he can leave on a free in the summer and Yedlin is due back. Could we add Aaron’s or one of the others to the squad if he leaves?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 2 September 2019, 12:11:22 pm
Not long left in the Summer transfer window for Rolando Aarons, Jack Colback, Achraf Lazaar, Henri Saivet and Jamie Sterry to find a new club. The 2nd of September seems to be the last day to sort a move to a League One, League Two or European club.

"European transfer deadline day: When does summer window close?"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49501062

Today's the day the window closes. Let's see if all or any of these 5 players leave.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: Keggy_Keagal on Monday 2 September 2019, 01:16:15 pm
Aarons off to Wycombe . Wonder if he'll go out with his Aunty to celebrate ?
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 2 September 2019, 07:03:06 pm
So Rolando Aarons (League One's Wycombe Wanderers) and Achraf Lazaar (Italian Serie B side Cosenza) got loan moves while Jack Colback, Henri Saivet and Jamie Sterry didn't.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: ujpest doza on Monday 2 September 2019, 07:13:20 pm
So Rolando Aarons (League One's Wycombe Wanderers) and Achraf Lazaar (Italian Serie B side Cosenza) got loan moves while Jack Colback, Henri Saivet and Jamie Sterry didn't.
Windows not shut yet like.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 2 September 2019, 07:26:16 pm
I thought it shut at 5pm. I see it runs to midnight for Scotland, 7pm for Serie A and 11pm for La Liga and Ligue 1. Not sure about other countries or lower divisions in the countries mentioned.
Title: Re: The Squad, Fringe Players and Transfers
Post by: ujpest doza on Monday 2 September 2019, 07:46:15 pm
I thought it shut at 5pm. I see it runs to midnight for Scotland, 7pm for Serie A and 11pm for La Liga and Ligue 1. Not sure about other countries or lower divisions in the countries mentioned.
Aye Different everywhere which is ridiculous.