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Title: Paul Dummett
Post by: palnese on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:48:50 pm
Made his Premier League debut tonight. Did very well.
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Post by: Skeletor on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:49:51 pm
One of the only bright spots today.
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Post by: jdckelly on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:50:48 pm
I'd keep playing him and put Santon Rb
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Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:53:40 pm
Has some heart at the very least.
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Post by: Dokko on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:54:45 pm
All the hard work he and st Mirren have done will be destroyed within week playing under Pardew.
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Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:54:51 pm
The Dummett and Debuchy show. :yao:
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Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:54:52 pm
Like this lad, soon be shitter than s*** after Pardew has him for any length of time.
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Post by: Skeletor on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:55:53 pm
Like this lad, soon be shitter than s*** after Pardew has him for any length of time.

He still has that hope in his eyes. Wait for Pardew to knock that out of him and he'll go through the motions just like the rest of them.
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Post by: toontownman on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:56:47 pm
A real thread of his own! Excited.

Did well tbh. Start him on against west ham on that form and put Santon on the right. 
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Post by: Dyeyzzon on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:57:09 pm
Thought he was quick as f***. City tried to exploit his side but he had the pace to get to Navas. Promising :thup:
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Post by: Flip on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:57:22 pm
A real thread of his own! Excited.

Did well tbh. Start him on against west ham on that form and put Santon on the right. 

:thup:
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Post by: Wil on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:57:33 pm
Like him a lot already, feel sorry for him arriving amongst all this s***.
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Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:00:46 pm
I really liked him, nullified Navas to an extent.

I'd start him next week, whether Santon is fit or not.
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Post by: RodneyCisse on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:02:07 pm
Should keep his place, put Santon on the right... Happy days.  :lol:
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Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:02:50 pm
Did well. :thup:
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Post by: Belfast Mags on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:04:55 pm
I really liked him, nullified Navas to an extent.

I'd start him next week, whether Santon is fit or not.

This
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Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:05:39 pm
I'd keep playing him and put Santon Rb

He had a decent debut, but let's not get carried away. Santon's still better at LB and not very good at RB.
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Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:05:53 pm
About the only bright spot.
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Post by: aussiemag on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:06:38 pm
Yeh he looks good, good positionally, quick and gets forward. Definately deserves a start.
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Post by: Skeletor on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:07:06 pm
Didn't realise he had pace until today. Bonus.
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Post by: jdckelly on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:07:14 pm
I'd keep playing him and put Santon Rb

He had a decent debut, but let's not get carried away. Santon's still better at LB and not very good at RB.
while our current rb is hopeless not very good is a step up
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Post by: stozo on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:07:40 pm
Did a good job today.
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Post by: Newcastle Fan on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:18:17 pm
Happy for the lad. well done.
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Post by: Sifu on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:11:07 pm
Given the circumstances, a positive enough debut.
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Post by: SteveMc on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:11:51 pm
Well impressed. Pace and energy and a decent 'tackle'
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Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:12:38 pm
I really liked him, nullified Navas to an extent.

I'd start him next week, whether Santon is fit or not.

He'll probably have to.
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Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:16:08 pm
The bar will never be set lower for him coming into a match.
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Post by: KaKa on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:17:06 pm
Lock the thread.

Let's not jinx the poor boy.

Put grown ass men to shame today. Incredible and quite unacceptable really.
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Post by: Fenham Mag on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:00:38 am
Ian Dennis ‏@Iandennisbbc 3h
Couple of yrs ago Peter Beardsley highlighted Paul Dummett as a potential star for #NUFC but baptism of fire for him tonight
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Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:23:20 am
Why the f*** were the Sky lot wanking over Navas second half? Dummy blocked every cross that he attempted.

Bright spot tonight, well done.

P.s. f*** whoever told me bringing Dummy off the bench tonight was a bad idea so readily.
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Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:24:30 am
As I said last week, best time for him to get his first game. He'll be much better off when we need him to protect points.
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Post by: Wilson on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:26:31 am
Canny start. Shame the poor lad got chucked in at the deep end.
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Post by: Parky on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:17:52 am
Kept up with Navas which ain't no mean thing.
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Post by: SteveMc on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:21:14 am
When loans work out
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Post by: themanupstairs on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:46:53 am
Played the full-back position better than anyone I've seen do for us in recent years. Too early to judge the quality of his play, but at least he's shown that he understands what being a full-back means.
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Post by: hydeous on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:51:39 am
Want to see him get a game. He probably will now, with Saylor suspended.
I wouldn't be too quick to judge him as a world beater based on one half where city had already won the game. They'd slowed down considerably after 2-0.
Would have been interesting to see how he'd have handled the Zabaleta - Navas combinations in the first half. They were bloody good.
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Post by: Tooj on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:04:58 am
Would give the lad a start at left-back against West Ham and slot Yanga-Mbiwa in the middle. Although knowing Pardew it will be Williamson in.
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Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 09:36:24 am
Making your debut by coming on in that game, against a player who was tearing us to bits, must be incredibly hard. But, he could barely contain his excitement as he was about to come on. Smiling like a loon, and running on to the field before whoever he replaced was off it. Very encouraging.
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Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:44:27 pm
Making your debut by coming on in that game, against a player who was tearing us to bits, must be incredibly hard. But, he could barely contain his excitement as he was about to come on. Smiling like a loon, and running on to the field before whoever he replaced was off it. Very encouraging.

Is that illegal? No doubt we'll be fined for having 12 players on the pitch.  :lol:
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Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:45:52 pm
Would give the lad a start at left-back against West Ham and slot Yanga-Mbiwa in the middle. Although knowing Pardew it will be Williamson in.



Dummet Colo Mbiwa Santon

                  Krul

If Santon is fit. I know he hasn't impressed at RB, but f*** me, can't be any worse than going with Debuchy who'll be mourning the loss of his 'pal'
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Post by: Disco on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:48:13 pm
Making your debut by coming on in that game, against a player who was tearing us to bits, must be incredibly hard. But, he could barely contain his excitement as he was about to come on. Smiling like a loon, and running on to the field before whoever he replaced was off it. Very encouraging.

Shades of Rickie Lambert t'other night. Good too see occasionally in this money addled game we all follow.

Playing against and doing OK against someone like Navas too is a great confidence boost and learning experience for him too. Good on him.
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Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:48:31 pm
Making your debut by coming on in that game, against a player who was tearing us to bits, must be incredibly hard. But, he could barely contain his excitement as he was about to come on. Smiling like a loon, and running on to the field before whoever he replaced was off it. Very encouraging.

Is that illegal? No doubt we'll be fined for having 12 players on the pitch.  :lol:

Super slimline Phil Dowd called him back, to wait for the switch. :lol:
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Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:49:16 pm
Making your debut by coming on in that game, against a player who was tearing us to bits, must be incredibly hard. But, he could barely contain his excitement as he was about to come on. Smiling like a loon, and running on to the field before whoever he replaced was off it. Very encouraging.

Is that illegal? No doubt we'll be fined for having 12 players on the pitch.  :lol:

Super slimline Phil Dowd called him back, to wait for the switch. :lol:

Bless him  :lol: (not Dowd)
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Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:52:01 pm
One of the only bright sparks of the match for me. Contained Navas very well I thought and looks like he has a good yard of pace on him. Would start him on sat.
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Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:53:05 pm
Good chance for him now, presumably Mapou will have to play CB and Santon is still out?

If Pardew plays Williamson and Mapou at LB then f***'s sake.
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Post by: Disco on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:53:40 pm
Pardew has done nowt but talk him up tbf.
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Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:57:45 pm
Yeah Pardew seems to rate him very highly.
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Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:01:06 pm
Good chance for him now, presumably Mapou will have to play CB and Santon is still out?

If Pardew plays Williamson and Mapou at LB then f***'s sake.

I'd play him whether Santon is fit or not.

Debuchy doesn't deserve to start based on his performances.
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Post by: Tisd09 on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:08:04 pm
I hope Pardew doesn't use the too young argument. Look what Ben Davies did for Swansea last season when Neil Taylor got injured. Davies has now pushed himself in front of Taylor for Swansea and Wales.

I can see Pardew bringing a not fully fit Santon back or Willo.
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Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:40:13 pm
Pards said recently about him playing Oxlade Chamberlain, Shelvey etc when they were only 16, Dummett is 20 so no reason not to.
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Post by: Tisd09 on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:47:12 pm
Aye but Super Pardew wasn't in the Premiership with them though. I would love to see the lad have a chance but just get the feeling Pardew would shift MYM wide again and bring Willo in? Really hope not though.
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Post by: ExiledGeordie on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:18:56 pm
He was the only person I remember seeing put in a f***ing tackle
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Post by: NEEJ on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:21:11 pm
Did he have our only touches in their box as well?
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Post by: captainhaircut on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:24:09 pm
In a fair world, he starts next week regardless of Santon's fitness.

Santon should be at right back.

Pardew won't do that though. He's a bottling little bitch.
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Post by: ujpest doza on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:27:24 pm
I hope Pardew doesn't use the too young argument. Look what Ben Davies did for Swansea last season when Neil Taylor got injured. Davies has now pushed himself in front of Taylor for Swansea and Wales.

I can see Pardew bringing a not fully fit Santon back or Willo.
He's never used the too young arguement. He's given young uns a chance wherever he's been, giving Oxlade Chamberlain amongst others his debut at 16.

I'd bring Williamson in though and play Mapou at Right Back instead of Debuchy.
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Post by: captainhaircut on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:30:03 pm
I hope Pardew doesn't use the too young argument. Look what Ben Davies did for Swansea last season when Neil Taylor got injured. Davies has now pushed himself in front of Taylor for Swansea and Wales.

I can see Pardew bringing a not fully fit Santon back or Willo.
He's never used the too young arguement. He's given young uns a chance wherever he's been, giving Oxlade Chamberlain amongst others his debut at 16.

I'd bring Williamson in though and play Mapou at Right Back instead of Debuchy.

He hasn't the stones to drop Debuchy.
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Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 06:20:36 pm
This guy seems to have come out of nowhere - he did well last night. Think he was responsible for one of our three touches in the box, too, which was actually a neat bit of footwork. I thought he looked promising against Braga too and he should be pretty proud of that performance last night. It's a shame he's a left-back, really, given the depth we have there. Apologies as I'm sure it's been discussed, but are Santon and Haidara both injured?
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Post by: toontownman on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 06:21:56 pm
Yep, Santon should be back for West Ham, Haidara doubtful if not completely ruled out. He and Remy only started back training today.
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Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 06:24:23 pm
Ta. :thup:
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Post by: TRC on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:43:03 pm
Dummet should be nowhere near the first team tbh, giving him props for a debut is fair play, but saying he will start ahead of Santon is crazy
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Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:50:27 pm
Dummet should be nowhere near the first team tbh, giving him props for a debut is fair play, but saying he will start ahead of Santon is crazy

Your right.... he should start ahead of Debuchy.
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Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:53:27 pm
What if he copes well against wham? I think he deserves a chance at home in a winnable game.
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Post by: TRC on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:53:35 pm
I don't really blame Debuchy for his bad performances.
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Post by: NEEJ on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:56:46 pm
I don't really blame Debuchy for his bad performances.
Why not?
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Post by: TRC on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 07:59:37 pm
If I earned that much money, had a pick of clubs interested in me in which I had no loyalty and my best mate told me to join his team, in which he said will be good next year, then he decided to f*** off, and the team and management are terrible. I'd be furious, and would just pick up my paycheck. I'd probably knock my best mate out too.
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Post by: Oakie Doke on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:14:47 pm
had to readjust my longstanding top 10 Newcastle United Pauls last night due to his outstanding performance, as I bet a fair few others did.

1. Paul Gascoigne
2. Paul Goddard
3. Paul Bracewell
4. Paul Kitson
5. Paul Dummett
                                                                               
6. Paul Huntington
7. Paul Cannell
8. Paul Arnison
9. Paul Stephenson
10. Paul Dalglish

Paul Stephenson knocked out of the top 10 for the first time since 2000.
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Post by: TRC on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:18:51 pm
had to readjust my longstanding top 10 Newcastle United Pauls last night due to his outstanding performance, as I bet a fair few others did.

1. Paul Gascoigne
2. Paul Goddard
3. Paul Bracewell
4. Paul Kitson
5. Paul Dummett
                                                                               
6. Paul Huntington
7. Paul Cannell
8. Paul Arnison
9. Paul Stephenson
10. Paul Dalglish

Paul Stephenson knocked out of the top 10 for the first time since 2000.

He's in at number 9.
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Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:19:24 pm
:lol:
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Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:20:23 pm
:lol: Great stuff.
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Post by: Barnes23 on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:47:56 pm
 :lol:
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Post by: themanupstairs on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:52:57 pm
:spit:
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Post by: clintdempsey on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 07:57:51 am
Paul Dummett ‏@PaulDummett 14h
Despite the poor result yesterday words cant describe how happy i was to make my premier league debut for the club i love #NUFC
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Post by: LRD on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 08:00:28 am
Baffling though, that if they really rate Dummett, why only give him an extension til the end of this season?
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Post by: BrettNUFC on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 09:14:47 am
I'm glad Dummet is getting praise he deserves after his performance against City however to say he should now be ahead in the pecking order of one of Santon/Debuchy or even Haidara is plain ridiculous. Don't want to sound like i'm taking anything away from Dummet, he was one of a few positives other night but 45 minutes doesn't justify being ahead of them 3 just yet. He did a very solid job in the tricky situation he was put in, was very pleasing to see.
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Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 10:56:26 am
I think Debuchy neesd to sit on the bench and just think about things.
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Post by: Dokko on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 11:02:21 am
He deserves chances, in fact he deserves more of a chance to prove himself than Debuchy right now who if a young lad breaking through would have been body slammed back in to the reserves or possibly loaned out and forgot about.
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Post by: Flip on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 11:26:38 am
Debuchy - MYM - Colo - Dummett

on Saturday then? Or might Santon be back? I really don't want to see MYM on the left and Willo centrally..
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Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 11:28:02 am
He deserves chances, in fact he deserves more of a chance to prove himself than Debuchy right now who if a young lad breaking through would have been body slammed back in to the reserves or possibly loaned out and forgot about.

Probably correct, but then again Debuchy is a proven and experienced international player, so we know this bad period is more form than lack of ability.
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Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 12:31:41 pm
He deserves chances, in fact he deserves more of a chance to prove himself than Debuchy right now who if a young lad breaking through would have been body slammed back in to the reserves or possibly loaned out and forgot about.

Probably correct, but then again Debuchy is a proven and experienced international player, so we know this bad period is more form than lack of ability.

Proven in France. There's better and more experienced international players that have failed in the Premiership. He hasn't proven himself in the PL. And he isn't even proven at international level - he has 1 more cap than Danny Welbeck and he has 5 years on him. He only made his international debut in 2011. Unlike MYM or someone, he wasn't pointed out as a tremendous player from a young age.
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Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 01:13:08 pm
OK, but he is miles more experienced and proven than Dummett.
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Post by: Zero on Thursday 29 August 2013, 03:11:13 am
Surprisingly no one bumps this thread up? I think he has a good game tonight, solid, tidy, and composed. I am very impressed and I think both he and Haidara are good enough cover for the left - and I even wouldnt mind to start any one of them and play Santon on the right.
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Post by: La Parka on Thursday 29 August 2013, 06:52:47 am
He's decent enough going forward too. Struggled for the first 20 minutes, but settled down and played really well.
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Post by: Deputy Dawg UK on Thursday 29 August 2013, 07:07:48 am
i thought he had a good game, yes the first 20 minutes were difficult but he settled down..Looked good going forward and played with confidence after the nervy start...Bodes well for the future, not sure where he rates with Haidara and Santon mind
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Post by: Dokko on Thursday 29 August 2013, 03:20:53 pm
Didnt panic, and hasn't whenever he's had minutes on the pitch. We can thank his loan move and should be using st Mirren more often, I'm sure they won't mind some of our better prospects going up there for game time.

If Campbell's loan move to Carlisle doesn't work out he'd be the first one sent up there followed by Streete.
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Post by: Skeletor on Friday 30 August 2013, 02:50:50 pm
Didnt panic, and hasn't whenever he's had minutes on the pitch. We can thank his loan move and should be using st Mirren more often, I'm sure they won't mind some of our better prospects going up there for game time.

If Campbell's loan move to Carlisle doesn't work out he'd be the first one sent up there followed by Streete.

Dummett has been quite a surprise package. Don't think he was particularly highly rated until this season. Maybe it's for the best so the kids can develop without expectation or pressure. Wonder how good Connor Newton is.
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Post by: Cronky on Saturday 31 August 2013, 08:30:01 am
I've already got more faith in him than Santon. Particularly in defence.
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Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 31 August 2013, 10:28:49 am
Nowt like a bit of hyperbole.
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Post by: Haris Vuckic on Saturday 31 August 2013, 10:36:26 am
If you play Santon as a full back and not a wing back I'm sure people's perception of his defensive capabilities with change but a lot of people don't look at the player or the system before judging.

or before encouraging him to get down the wing...

Anyway - Dummett - yes - fantastic player & a academy product where you can actually visualise him in the first team in a couple of years.
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Post by: Atticus on Saturday 31 August 2013, 10:40:45 am
Santon's defending was outstanding against West Ham.
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Post by: 54 on Monday 2 September 2013, 01:56:14 pm
Samuel Ameobi ‏@Sammy_Ameobi 2m
Congrats @PaulDummett on your senior Wales call up...happy for you geeza!
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Post by: jdckelly on Monday 2 September 2013, 01:57:11 pm
good for him
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Post by: Beren on Monday 2 September 2013, 02:12:53 pm
Like a new signing :thup:
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Post by: thomas on Monday 2 September 2013, 02:23:31 pm
are we close to ~brimming~ with internationals again :}}
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Post by: thenige on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:09:39 pm
Whisper it...looks half decent.
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Post by: Benwell Lad on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:23:12 pm
Whisper it...looks half decent.

He looks like a left back and does the things a left back should do quite well. Good positional sense. Really seems to have stolen a march on Shane.
Is it Santon - Haidara - Dummet - Ferguson, in the pecking order now ?
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Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:25:48 pm
Dummett will be ahead of Haidara at this point.

Anyway another good showing if Debuchy doesn't improve then he should be dropped for Dummett.
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Post by: healthyaddiction on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:28:47 pm
I'd personally drop Debuchy now.  Santon at right-back and Dummett at left-back.
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Post by: Mick on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:32:28 pm
I'd personally drop Debuchy now.  Santon at right-back and Dummett at left-back.

I wouldn't, the same was said about defenders last season and more often than not somebody would come in and people wanted them out next game.  Dummett looks good but he's got a lot to learn before he should be willingly thrown in against Premiership teams.
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Post by: healthyaddiction on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:42:47 pm
I'd personally drop Debuchy now.  Santon at right-back and Dummett at left-back.

I wouldn't, the same was said about defenders last season and more often than not somebody would come in and people wanted them out next game.  Dummett looks good but he's got a lot to learn before he should be willingly thrown in against Premiership teams.

For me, Debuchy has been pretty consistently poor this season, including last night.  I am not writing him off altogether but when you have a player clearly not performing he needs to be dropped.  That alongside the fact that Santon's lack of a left foot is really frustrating me and I think affecting our attacks and the fact the Dummett has played well the 3 times he's been on the pitch means that I would take the chance.  We can't just stick with Debuchy while he's playing poorly just because the other option isn't experienced.  And Dummett may have things to learn but he's shown a maturity and well roundedness to his game when i've seen him and the only way this'll develop is by getting some games.
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Post by: Benwell Lad on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:56:34 pm
I'd personally drop Debuchy now.  Santon at right-back and Dummett at left-back.

I wouldn't, the same was said about defenders last season and more often than not somebody would come in and people wanted them out next game.  Dummett looks good but he's got a lot to learn before he should be willingly thrown in against Premiership teams.

Spot on.
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Post by: Varadi on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:57:57 pm
I'd personally drop Debuchy now.  Santon at right-back and Dummett at left-back.

Santon never looks particularly comfortable at right back to me.
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Post by: Haris Vuckic on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:59:36 pm
Looked ok at U21 level for Italy there but always seems to look better on the left to me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Thursday 26 September 2013, 12:59:55 pm
I would persevere with Debuchy and Santon for the time being but Dummett needs to be getting all the cup games and some sub time in the league if its appropriate. Give it another 6-8 weeks and Debuchy will either have improved or been dropped IMO.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Thursday 26 September 2013, 01:01:41 pm

I think Dummett and Santon are the same age. Not relevant but it's a curious stat given how much Davide has under his belt compared to say Dummet and Ferguson (also 22?)

I blame Thatcher.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Thursday 26 September 2013, 01:04:37 pm
Dummett looks like a top quality full back in the making. Potentially far better than anyone we've got at the moment. We should be giving him experience at every opportunity.

Regardless of how you rate Dummett at the moment, it's not like either Santon or Debuchy are looking all that great.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Thursday 26 September 2013, 01:06:42 pm

I rate Dummett highly. I'd have him pushing for Santon's place tbh.

Pardew placed a lot of support in him during the preseason & it's to see why. PLAYA.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mick on Thursday 26 September 2013, 01:06:56 pm


For me, Debuchy has been pretty consistently poor this season, including last night.  I am not writing him off altogether but when you have a player clearly not performing he needs to be dropped.  That alongside the fact that Santon's lack of a left foot is really frustrating me and I think affecting our attacks and the fact the Dummett has played well the 3 times he's been on the pitch means that I would take the chance.  We can't just stick with Debuchy while he's playing poorly just because the other option isn't experienced.  And Dummett may have things to learn but he's shown a maturity and well roundedness to his game when i've seen him and the only way this'll develop is by getting some games.

I thought Debuchy had good games against Fulham and Villa.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Thursday 26 September 2013, 01:08:42 pm

He wasn't really bad against West Ham - he just lost out to Jarvis's pace a couple of times. Because Jarvis is rapid.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: healthyaddiction on Thursday 26 September 2013, 01:52:10 pm
Fair enough, maybe i'm being too knee jerk, but there certainly has to be a point where Debuchy loses his place if his performance level does not improve and Santon at right back might be a risk but one worth taking in my opinion (and the only option if Debuchy does lose his place).  I'd also drop Cisse for Gouffran while i'm at it.  Cisse has been the clear weak point in the team so far.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Thursday 26 September 2013, 02:09:10 pm
Can't be dropping a purple man. Ashley will turn the same colour.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Thursday 26 September 2013, 02:15:30 pm
I would persevere with Debuchy and Santon for the time being but Dummett needs to be getting all the cup games and some sub time in the league if its appropriate. Give it another 6-8 weeks and Debuchy will either have improved or been dropped IMO.
I'd agree with this, but not 6-8 weeks. If Debuchy doesn't make a marked improvement in the next 2-3 matches, he needs to sit for youth.
 
I also don't understand the Santon criticisms at all. He had a poor second half of last season but was very useful in 2012 and has looked very solid and athletic thus far this season. As someone mentioned, he's the same age as Dummett and has made a big contribution to the team since his arrival here.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: healthyaddiction on Thursday 26 September 2013, 02:35:13 pm
I would persevere with Debuchy and Santon for the time being but Dummett needs to be getting all the cup games and some sub time in the league if its appropriate. Give it another 6-8 weeks and Debuchy will either have improved or been dropped IMO.
I'd agree with this, but not 6-8 weeks. If Debuchy doesn't make a marked improvement in the next 2-3 matches, he needs to sit for youth.
 
I also don't understand the Santon criticisms at all. He had a poor second half of last season but was very useful in 2012 and has looked very solid and athletic thus far this season. As someone mentioned, he's the same age as Dummett and has made a big contribution to the team since his arrival here.

I think that Santon is comfortably our best fullback, I just think there could be a much higher ceiling in his ability if he can learn to play right back as he just does not have a left foot (though he seems to be trying a bit more this season).
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 27 September 2013, 11:26:45 am
Having watched the goals again, I actually think Dummett's pass down the line was better than Sammy's cross. Sure, it was a great cross from Sammy, but that pass absolutely made it. It was inch perfect and sat up gloriously for Sammy, who just had to use the height on the ball to dink it across. It was a cracking ball from Dummett - through opposition players and with the exact right height and pace on it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: junkhead on Friday 27 September 2013, 12:05:25 pm
Dummett seems reliable enough but once Haidara is fit, I would rather play the Frenchman. We could do with more pace and power in the team. Agree that we should try Santon on the right again for a couple of games. Debuchy is being targeted as a weak link by our opposition atm.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pip on Friday 27 September 2013, 12:21:57 pm
I haven't seen Dummett yet, how fast is he? Compared to Santon and Debuchy.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 27 September 2013, 04:22:05 pm
I haven't seen Dummett yet, how fast is he? Compared to Santon and Debuchy.

Difficult to say, really. Doesn't look slow, doesn't look rapid. :dontknow:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 27 September 2013, 04:38:47 pm
Pace doesn't matter that much really.... Haidara is very quick but has the positional sense of an epileptic rabbit on speed.

Dummett on the other hand doesn't really seem that quick doesn't ever seem to get caught out of position so far.... even against Navas he always gave himself a few extra yards to combat against his pace.

The problem with Debuchy at the moment is he's slow and his positional sense is crap as well.... leading to what you see now.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 27 September 2013, 04:41:49 pm
The problem with Debuchy at the moment is that his head's in completely the wrong place, imo. Just doesn't look like he wants to be there at all. I dare say there's a good player there somewhere but he's f***ing horrific atm. Hate seeing players like that, just mentally all wrong.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Beren on Friday 27 September 2013, 04:44:10 pm
Can't be dropping a purple man. Ashley will turn the same colour.

Yeah, can't see it happening. Like admitting money was wasted.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Lotus on Friday 27 September 2013, 04:48:07 pm
The problem with Debuchy at the moment is that his head's in completely the wrong place, imo. Just doesn't look like he wants to be there at all. I dare say there's a good player there somewhere but he's f***ing horrific atm. Hate seeing players like that, just mentally all wrong.

Think Cisse and Cabaye have the same problem tbh.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Beren on Monday 30 September 2013, 10:53:41 pm
Should be starting now really.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: timeEd32 on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:09:35 pm
 :cool:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:13:48 pm
Perfectly timed run and shot.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nemtizz on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:44:10 pm
Cracking finish. Glad it counted for something in the end.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:44:25 pm
Start him Vs Sunderland.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:45:28 pm
Chuffed for him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Belfast Boy on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:45:47 pm
Has he played CB much before? Looked comfortable there
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Colo's Short and Curlies on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:46:10 pm
Start him Vs Sunderland.



Might need to!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dyeyzzon on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:46:29 pm
Gonna be hard to drop a fullback if he is to play there, but keep him at CB if Colo's still out. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:46:41 pm
Has he played CB much before? Looked comfortable there

Everyone looks comfortable playing next to Big Willo.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:47:24 pm
Man, I'd love to be him right now. Probably buzzing his tits off.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alexf on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:48:40 pm
What a lad. Chuffed to bits for him. :)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:50:38 pm
St Mirren have done wonders with him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Begbie on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:53:16 pm
That was a Shearer class finish!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Colo's Short and Curlies on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:54:18 pm
Has he played CB much before? Looked comfortable there

Everyone looks comfortable playing next to Big Willo.

This is true
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:54:21 pm
What a day for him :clap:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:54:46 pm
Excellent finish.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 19 October 2013, 02:55:13 pm
I hope he is not another Huntington or Edgar and makes a name for himself here.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BillClinton on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:01:37 pm
give him a longer contract just in case
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:01:54 pm
Can't be dropped after that surely!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:02:52 pm
Can't be dropped after that surely!

No-one to drop him for.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andybiotics on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:03:21 pm
Must be on cloud 9 atm. Happy for him  :D
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:03:22 pm
Surprised he didn't have a full nervous breakdown after scoring that. Must be the best feeling in the world.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unlucky Luque on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:08:20 pm
Surprised he didn't have a full nervous breakdown after scoring that. Must be the best feeling in the world.
Remember Huntington didn't have a clue what to do after his goal against spurs. Shout a bit and give the corner flag a wee slap :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:09:59 pm
Suarez fell over like a fridge - I don't care! Paul Dummett!
I don't care! Paul Dummett!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:13:02 pm
Amazing finish for a full-back that like.

Played well aside from the goal too - and he's in with a massive shout of playing in the derby.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:13:40 pm
He just looks a real class player in the making. I'm urging him to cement himself as our future LB, yes at the expense of Santon....I sound mad, but I just really like this kid.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:14:15 pm
I thought Santon had a great game as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:15:01 pm
Looked decent at CB tbf !  :laugh:

Was almost crying with joy when he scored :lol: love it when a local lad scores.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unlucky Luque on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:16:59 pm
Shot up from my seat when we scored, really wasn't ready for that, and when I saw Dummett wheeling away the squealing started :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: David28 on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:17:04 pm
He'll be so proud and he's got every reason to.

Played so well, out of the cold he came on. And scored that goal.


Reminded me a bit of young David Edgar in that game against Man Utd in 2007.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jill on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:19:16 pm
Reminded me a bit of young David Edgar in that game against Man Utd in 2007.

We were just saying that before. :D

So well taken, I'm over the moon for him. Now good luck to his brother playing for West Allotment Celtic today.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Sifu on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:24:44 pm
Really pleased for the lad :) I literally screamed when he scored.

What a nice (and confident) finish.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:30:46 pm
Reminded me a bit of young David Edgar in that game against Man Utd in 2007.

We were just saying that before. :D

So well taken, I'm over the moon for him. Now good luck to his brother playing for West Allotment Celtic today.

Is that his older brother, Mark, I think?

Funny thing is, I remember seeing Mark score a class goal for my primary school, and was like "right, I bet if anyone I've seen becomes a pro, it'll be him". 
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:32:34 pm
Chuffed to bits for him, had looked class whenever he has been given a chance.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 19 October 2013, 03:34:52 pm
tbh Liverpool more than other sides was better suited for him to have a go there be a different matter if it was against a Carroll type
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SteveMc on Saturday 19 October 2013, 04:05:08 pm
Looked a pretty competent centre half. Elated for him
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Saturday 19 October 2013, 04:06:54 pm
He looked pretty good at left back too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wil on Saturday 19 October 2013, 04:33:02 pm
Well chuffed for the lad, a day he'll never forget. Had a very good all round defensive game as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Saturday 19 October 2013, 04:38:29 pm
Superb movement for his goal. That's how to score a goal from a set piece if you're not 6ft 8.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: icemanblue on Saturday 19 October 2013, 05:05:11 pm
So jealous of him. :lol: What a feeling that must be.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Weznufc on Saturday 19 October 2013, 05:36:00 pm
take it he will be playin cb next week then?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Saturday 19 October 2013, 05:36:20 pm
THREAD TITLE TBH
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alexf on Saturday 19 October 2013, 05:43:02 pm
The missing piece from the floated set penis :)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 19 October 2013, 05:54:57 pm
Just seen his goal. Finished like a boss. What a feeling that must be.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 19 October 2013, 05:55:58 pm
Pardew saying he is pushing Santon hard for his place, also helps being natural left footer.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: duo on Saturday 19 October 2013, 06:03:51 pm
Looked a pretty competent centre half. Elated for him
He looked excellent at CB - Pardew is hinting Taylor will come back into the team but I hope not.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Saturday 19 October 2013, 06:04:54 pm
The fact he regards scoring a goal for the toon as a higher privilege than winning a trophy for St.Mirren tells you everything about this lad.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: henke on Saturday 19 October 2013, 06:10:18 pm
The long Dummy. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 19 October 2013, 06:38:31 pm
I loved the way he was mobbed by his team mates too. Was something about seeing the likes of Cabaye, Gouffran & Debuchy with massive grins celebrating with a Geordie that was good to see.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Saturday 19 October 2013, 06:41:21 pm
Aye, the celebration was class.

Tidy finish too!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NUFC on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:16:16 pm
Dummett on nufcTV: "If I scored against Sunderland I'd be worse than today. I think I'd be running round the pitch taking my clothes off!"

:D
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:17:27 pm
I'm pleased for him but there is a long way to go yet before he makes it. I'd like to see him do it but I've seen so many players come through the academy and have a few games for us then fall down the leagues at other clubs.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: henke on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:18:16 pm
If he scores against them it'll be Taylor vs Celta Vigo all over again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:18:17 pm
He's got evident class tbh - he'll be a premier league player all his career. Mark my words.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:18:46 pm
New contract by the turn of the year I reckon.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:21:19 pm
I loved the way he was mobbed by his team mates too. Was something about seeing the likes of Cabaye, Gouffran & Debuchy with massive grins celebrating with a Geordie that was good to see.

One player completely ignored him like, which was a bit of a poor show.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:21:43 pm
I loved the way he was mobbed by his team mates too. Was something about seeing the likes of Cabaye, Gouffran & Debuchy with massive grins celebrating with a Geordie that was good to see.

One player completely ignored him like, which was a bit of a poor show.

Who?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:22:03 pm
I loved the way he was mobbed by his team mates too. Was something about seeing the likes of Cabaye, Gouffran & Debuchy with massive grins celebrating with a Geordie that was good to see.

One player completely ignored him like, which was a bit of a poor show.

Who ?  :kasper:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:22:40 pm
I loved the way he was mobbed by his team mates too. Was something about seeing the likes of Cabaye, Gouffran & Debuchy with massive grins celebrating with a Geordie that was good to see.

One player completely ignored him like, which was a bit of a poor show.

Who?

Yanga Mbiwa
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:23:27 pm
Ben Arfa stayed near the centre circle throughout the celebrations, and didn't even go to him when they all ran back for the kickoff.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:28:30 pm
Ben Arfa stayed near the centre circle throughout the celebrations, and didn't even go to him when they all ran back for the kickoff.

Too fat, drunk and knackered to do it i'd expect.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andymc1 on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:31:33 pm
Great for him today but I don't think he's a centre back. He done OK fitting in but his positioning was all over the place and at times he looked lost. Confident on the ball though and does possess a bit of quality as his finish today showed. Will hopefully be a standard Premier League left back most of his career.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:32:48 pm
Pays tribute to Willo.. saus he was always talking to him keeping him right said it was Willo who told him to go around the back for his goal.

:D
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: durhamunigeordie on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:33:38 pm
Ben Arfa stayed near the centre circle throughout the celebrations, and didn't even go to him when they all ran back for the kickoff.

Lads around me noticed that as well. Maybe could be put down to him not wanting to get carried away, knowing that there was still a lot of hard work to do etc. Still would rather he got involved though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:35:40 pm
Did Krul run up to celebrate?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:36:41 pm
I think because Benny is such a high maintenance player everyone reads wayyy to much into anything involving him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:36:51 pm
Did Krul run up to celebrate?

:lol:

I'm not going to get into guessing games about what it meant (if anything), I just thought it was a bit of a poor show - particularly considering the goalscorer was a young local lad. Didn't exactly look good.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:37:25 pm
Maybe he was having one of his down days :pards:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:38:18 pm
Probably. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:39:20 pm
Ben Arfa stayed near the centre circle throughout the celebrations, and didn't even go to him when they all ran back for the kickoff.

I think Hatem is the sort of player who'd be miserable as f*** if we won 4-0 and he played badly.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:49:45 pm
Ben Arfa stayed near the centre circle throughout the celebrations, and didn't even go to him when they all ran back for the kickoff.

I think Hatem is the sort of player who'd be miserable as f*** if we won 4-0 and he played badly.

That's exactly it, like. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: madras on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:52:02 pm
Ben Arfa stayed near the centre circle throughout the celebrations, and didn't even go to him when they all ran back for the kickoff.

I think Hatem is the sort of player who'd be miserable as f*** if we won 4-0 and he played badly.
probably yet some can't understand that he's not a team player.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BottledDog on Saturday 19 October 2013, 07:59:27 pm
:clap2:


Edit: For Dummett, not sulky chops not celebrating. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: madras on Saturday 19 October 2013, 08:17:28 pm
dummett has looked good in all his cameos so far, wouldn't worry about him going first XI if needed (to be fair I said the same about ferguson)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 19 October 2013, 09:13:05 pm
Pards always talks about players 'understanding' the importance of the derby. Reckon this lads a shoe in
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Saturday 19 October 2013, 09:13:50 pm
This lad will begin to wonder what he has to do to get a start.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Belfast Mags on Saturday 19 October 2013, 10:38:45 pm
Well done lad  :smug: enjoy a few beers tonight
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 19 October 2013, 10:49:41 pm
Can't help but grin seeing that again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 19 October 2013, 10:50:13 pm
So pleased for him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Saturday 19 October 2013, 10:50:40 pm
Nice finish that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Benwell Lad on Sunday 20 October 2013, 12:10:06 am
Wish we'd hung on for the win of course, but especially for what it would have meant for the kid.
Good show Paul, stick in and you could really make it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 20 October 2013, 09:16:50 am
Just give the lad a new contract already. He may only go on to be another Guthrie type but unless he is demanding huge wages (which I doubt he would) he will be a very useful squad player at worst.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Sunday 20 October 2013, 11:28:55 am
Fantastic to see a Geordie lad turn out for the team, but to score as well.. Brilliant. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Sunday 20 October 2013, 12:02:20 pm
Who'd have thought sending a player out on loan for a season would aid their development?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BottledDog on Sunday 20 October 2013, 12:09:34 pm
Who'd have thought sending a player out on loan for a season would aid their development?

Pardew?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 20 October 2013, 12:31:14 pm
had to readjust my longstanding top 10 Newcastle United Pauls last night due to his outstanding performance, as I bet a fair few others did.

1. Paul Gascoigne
2. Paul Goddard
3. Paul Bracewell
4. Paul Kitson
5. Paul Dummett
                                                                               
6. Paul Huntington
7. Paul Cannell
8. Paul Arnison
9. Paul Stephenson
10. Paul Dalglish

Paul Stephenson knocked out of the top 10 for the first time since 2000.
Any change here after yesterday?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jack Flash on Sunday 20 October 2013, 01:59:13 pm
Pards always talks about players 'understanding' the importance of the derby. Reckon this lads a shoe in

He sounded exactly like we all would when asked about possibly playing in it. Wants to be in with our fans if he's not picked as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 20 October 2013, 02:01:55 pm
I don't get this 'understanding the importance' guff. It's the manager's job to motivate the players to put maximum effort in.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BottledDog on Sunday 20 October 2013, 02:07:32 pm
I don't get this 'understanding the importance' guff. It's the manager's job to motivate the players to put maximum effort in.

That suggests a fairly unsubtle world view.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Sunday 20 October 2013, 02:13:34 pm
I don't get this 'understanding the importance' guff. It's the manager's job to motivate the players to put maximum effort in.

That suggests a fairly unsubtle world view.

(http://img.pandawhale.com/41765-Loki-uhh-burn-gif-DQ41.gif)

BD went there.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Monday 21 October 2013, 12:05:06 pm
I DON'T CARE

PAUL DUMMETT
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Monday 21 October 2013, 01:08:59 pm
 :banana: I DONT CAAAAAARRE PAUL DUMMETT :banana2:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: r0cafella on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:01:57 pm
According to .com He's signed a new 4 year contract with an option for extra 2 years  O0
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:07:24 pm
Just give the lad a new contract already. He may only go on to be another Guthrie type but unless he is demanding huge wages (which I doubt he would) he will be a very useful squad player at worst.

Just give me lots of money already.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:11:27 pm
Just give the lad a new contract already. He may only go on to be another Guthrie type but unless he is demanding huge wages (which I doubt he would) he will be a very useful squad player at worst.

Just give me lots of money already.

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Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:16:40 pm
What's the "I don't care" all about?
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Post by: icemanblue on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:19:06 pm
That song, isn't it. You the know the one, man. It's that song.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fugazi on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:25:08 pm
It's a s**** chant like, hope it doesn't take off.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:27:27 pm
Just give the lad a new contract already. He may only go on to be another Guthrie type but unless he is demanding huge wages (which I doubt he would) he will be a very useful squad player at worst.

Just give me lots of money already.

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Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Monday 21 October 2013, 06:48:49 pm
It's a s**** chant like, hope it doesn't take off.

Should adapt Dreadlock Holiday tbh.
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Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 22 October 2013, 06:15:00 pm
Interview on Total Sport now.  Proper bigging up Willo.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 22 October 2013, 06:20:36 pm
I don't like Sunderland
Paul Dummett.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 08:14:58 am
According to .com He's signed a new 4 year contract with an option for extra 2 years  O0

Was in the Independent article about Colo. Excellent news!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Beren on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 08:46:47 am
Interview on Total Sport now.  Proper bigging up Willo.

"Most technically gifted Englishmen I've ever worked with.."
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Beren on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 08:47:12 am
Any chance he'll play this weekend?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nufc4eva on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 08:56:27 am
According to .com He's signed a new 4 year contract with an option for extra 2 years  O0

Was in the Independent article about Colo. Excellent news!

1 performance 4 year deal - hmm - why not a couple of years and see what happens
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 09:12:24 am
Yeah we've seen with young players in the past they make a bit of an impression when thrown in in a crisis then don't progress. Risky contract but good for him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 09:25:48 am
He's probably on f*** all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 09:31:56 am
According to .com He's signed a new 4 year contract with an option for extra 2 years  O0

Was in the Independent article about Colo. Excellent news!

1 performance 4 year deal - hmm - why not a couple of years and see what happens

Because the owner is absolutely s*** scared someone will get him for less than he might be worth. See ultra-long contracts for everyone for e.g.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 09:34:59 am
According to .com He's signed a new 4 year contract with an option for extra 2 years  O0

Was in the Independent article about Colo. Excellent news!

1 performance 4 year deal - hmm - why not a couple of years and see what happens

Nah, 4 years with an option for a further 2 is pretty much spot on. He will not be on the biggest wage anyway, and if he fails to develop it will only be 4 years, whereas if he does, we've got him tied down for 6. At the very worst we've got our LB cover sorted for the next 4/6 years.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: gdm on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 09:55:55 am
He's played a full season in Scotland and won a trophy. A very successful loan spell. He is good enough for a 4 year deal.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 01:30:43 pm
He's played a full season in Scotland and won a trophy. A very successful loan spell. He is good enough for a 4 year deal.

As if this organisation would give out a long term contract on the back of 1 good season

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Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 04:00:15 pm
Sign him to a deal and if he needs to go back out on loan, send him back out?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 04:03:26 pm
Glad for him. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 04:07:09 pm
Sign him to a deal and if he needs to go back out on loan, send him back out?

He's far close to the first team for me and has a genuine chance of making it unlike Ferguson and the likes.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BillClinton on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 04:17:30 pm
Don't see what's wrong with the contract, we had risked losing him for nothing (and he almost didn't resign last summer.) At the worst we can always sell him back to the SPL if he can't cut it. If it turns out he can play CB at a decent level as well as LB, he could at least be the defensive cover we are always missing.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 23 October 2013, 04:26:19 pm
Jamie McClen made an entire career out of the contract he got after a decent game against Arsenal and a goal at Peterborough. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Thursday 24 October 2013, 12:40:20 pm
Newcastle defender Paul Dummett has earned boss Alan Pardew's praise ahead of Sunday's Wear-Tyne derby.

The 22-year-old is be hoping to keep his place in the side after excelling when he was thrown into the deep end against Liverpool last time, filling in at centre-back following the sending-off of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa.

Dummett scored his first goal for the club in the 2-2 draw and has given Pardew plenty to think about ahead of the derby clash at the Stadium of Light.

The Newcastle boss told The Chronicle: "I don't expect to see him scoring goals - stopping goals is what he will be paid for.

"I thought he did that really well. He made some important interceptions and headers.

"You actually didn't see the join in the back four when Yanga-Mbiwa went off.

"We conceded a lot of possession because we only had 10 but we did really, really well."

Options

Pardew revealed he was going to start Dummett against Liverpool with Mike Williamson struggling in the build-up and - with Fabricio Coloccini out and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa now suspended - he is pleased he has got options at the back.

He added: "We've worked with the players that have come in. And we look like we've got a lot of good options.

"I was going to start with Dummett for Liverpool because Willo was struggling before the game.

"It was ironic that he came on. He'd had preparation, but I didn't expect him to do his little hop, skip and jump after he scored.

"His family will be proud of him. We've had him since he was nine so it is great to get one through."
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 24 October 2013, 12:54:00 pm
Jamie McClen made an entire career out of the contract he got after a decent game against Arsenal and a goal at Peterborough. :lol:

That is true.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 24 October 2013, 06:26:41 pm
Newcastle defender Paul Dummett has earned boss Alan Pardew's praise ahead of Sunday's Wear-Tyne derby.

The 22-year-old is be hoping to keep his place in the side after excelling when he was thrown into the deep end against Liverpool last time, filling in at centre-back following the sending-off of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa.

Dummett scored his first goal for the club in the 2-2 draw and has given Pardew plenty to think about ahead of the derby clash at the Stadium of Light.

The Newcastle boss told The Chronicle: "I don't expect to see him scoring goals - stopping goals is what he will be paid for.

"I thought he did that really well. He made some important interceptions and headers.

"You actually didn't see the join in the back four when Yanga-Mbiwa went off.

"We conceded a lot of possession because we only had 10 but we did really, really well."

Options

Pardew revealed he was going to start Dummett against Liverpool with Mike Williamson struggling in the build-up and - with Fabricio Coloccini out and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa now suspended - he is pleased he has got options at the back.

He added: "We've worked with the players that have come in. And we look like we've got a lot of good options.

"I was going to start with Dummett for Liverpool because Willo was struggling before the game.

"It was ironic that he came on. He'd had preparation, but I didn't expect him to do his little hop, skip and jump after he scored.

"His family will be proud of him. We've had him since he was nine so it is great to get one through."

Anyone else read that in a slightly angry tone :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Thursday 24 October 2013, 07:46:28 pm
I think he's our best defender already. In time, he'll prove it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Thursday 24 October 2013, 07:49:45 pm
Any chance he'll play this weekend?
Yes, he has to as there's no one else available seeing as Taylor has done his hamstring in training.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 24 October 2013, 07:50:42 pm
Sign him to a deal and if he needs to go back out on loan, send him back out?

He's far close to the first team for me and has a genuine chance of making it unlike Ferguson and the likes.
Ferguson I think could make it. Sammy for example won't, I think the Championship is his level.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Sifu on Thursday 24 October 2013, 09:12:45 pm
Newcastle defender Paul Dummett has earned boss Alan Pardew's praise ahead of Sunday's Wear-Tyne derby.

The 22-year-old is be hoping to keep his place in the side after excelling when he was thrown into the deep end against Liverpool last time, filling in at centre-back following the sending-off of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa.

Dummett scored his first goal for the club in the 2-2 draw and has given Pardew plenty to think about ahead of the derby clash at the Stadium of Light.

The Newcastle boss told The Chronicle: "I don't expect to see him scoring goals - stopping goals is what he will be paid for.

"I thought he did that really well. He made some important interceptions and headers.

"You actually didn't see the join in the back four when Yanga-Mbiwa went off.

"We conceded a lot of possession because we only had 10 but we did really, really well."

Options

Pardew revealed he was going to start Dummett against Liverpool with Mike Williamson struggling in the build-up and - with Fabricio Coloccini out and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa now suspended - he is pleased he has got options at the back.

He added: "We've worked with the players that have come in. And we look like we've got a lot of good options.

"I was going to start with Dummett for Liverpool because Willo was struggling before the game.

"It was ironic that he came on. He'd had preparation, but I didn't expect him to do his little hop, skip and jump after he scored.

"His family will be proud of him. We've had him since he was nine so it is great to get one through."

Anyone else read that in a slightly angry tone :lol:

*NO MORE GOALS".gif

On another note, didn't Pardew say he wanted to see a goalscoring CB? Dummett has so far fit the bill (despite him being a LB!).
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 24 October 2013, 09:13:52 pm
Sign him to a deal and if he needs to go back out on loan, send him back out?

He's far close to the first team for me and has a genuine chance of making it unlike Ferguson and the likes.
Ferguson I think could make it. Sammy for example won't, I think the Championship is his level.

How do you come to the conclusion that Ferguson could make it?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 24 October 2013, 09:15:49 pm
Why can't he?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 24 October 2013, 09:16:49 pm
Just find it a strange comment when he can't get in the Birmingham team. I like Ferguson just found it odd
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 24 October 2013, 09:18:52 pm
Lee Clark's as thick as pigshite, I wouldn't read much into that at all. Ferguson's got a lot of talent, thought it's going absolutely nowhere without games and physical development.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 24 October 2013, 09:26:58 pm
As much as I think loans are important and we don't use them often enough I don't think they are much of a gauge of how a player will do, just getting them games and used to competitive football.

Chopra scored 5 goals in 5 games for Watford? Where as Carroll seemed to struggle at Preston as an example.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Thursday 24 October 2013, 09:33:41 pm
I think for Lee Clark, it's easier to drop a loan player than a player they have contracted to them permanently.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Thursday 24 October 2013, 10:32:47 pm
Newcastle defender Paul Dummett has earned boss Alan Pardew's praise ahead of Sunday's Wear-Tyne derby.

The 22-year-old is be hoping to keep his place in the side after excelling when he was thrown into the deep end against Liverpool last time, filling in at centre-back following the sending-off of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa.

Dummett scored his first goal for the club in the 2-2 draw and has given Pardew plenty to think about ahead of the derby clash at the Stadium of Light.

The Newcastle boss told The Chronicle: "I don't expect to see him scoring goals - stopping goals is what he will be paid for.

"I thought he did that really well. He made some important interceptions and headers.

"You actually didn't see the join in the back four when Yanga-Mbiwa went off.

"We conceded a lot of possession because we only had 10 but we did really, really well."

Options

Pardew revealed he was going to start Dummett against Liverpool with Mike Williamson struggling in the build-up and - with Fabricio Coloccini out and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa now suspended - he is pleased he has got options at the back.

He added: "We've worked with the players that have come in. And we look like we've got a lot of good options.

"I was going to start with Dummett for Liverpool because Willo was struggling before the game.

"It was ironic that he came on. He'd had preparation, but I didn't expect him to do his little hop, skip and jump after he scored.

"His family will be proud of him. We've had him since he was nine so it is great to get one through."

That's the most contrived, flat-out stupid example of spin that I've ever come across. Aye, now that Yanga-Mbiwa and Coloccini are out, we now have options at the back! f***ing get in.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: yplasterer on Thursday 24 October 2013, 10:42:23 pm
Newcastle defender Paul Dummett has earned boss Alan Pardew's praise ahead of Sunday's Wear-Tyne derby.

The 22-year-old is be hoping to keep his place in the side after excelling when he was thrown into the deep end against Liverpool last time, filling in at centre-back following the sending-off of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa.

Dummett scored his first goal for the club in the 2-2 draw and has given Pardew plenty to think about ahead of the derby clash at the Stadium of Light.

The Newcastle boss told The Chronicle: "I don't expect to see him scoring goals - stopping goals is what he will be paid for.

"I thought he did that really well. He made some important interceptions and headers.

"You actually didn't see the join in the back four when Yanga-Mbiwa went off.

"We conceded a lot of possession because we only had 10 but we did really, really well."

Options

Pardew revealed he was going to start Dummett against Liverpool with Mike Williamson struggling in the build-up and - with Fabricio Coloccini out and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa now suspended - he is pleased he has got options at the back.

He added: "We've worked with the players that have come in. And we look like we've got a lot of good options.

"I was going to start with Dummett for Liverpool because Willo was struggling before the game.

"It was ironic that he came on. He'd had preparation, but I didn't expect him to do his little hop, skip and jump after he scored.

"His family will be proud of him. We've had him since he was nine so it is great to get one through."

That's the most contrived, flat-out stupid example of spin that I've ever come across. Aye, now that Yanga-Mbiwa and Coloccini are out, we now have options at the back! f***ing get in.

I think it's just clumsy parenthesis. He isn't pleased that the absence of Coloccini and Yanga-Mbiwa has provided us with options, he is pleased that we have more options than we did, say, last season, now that they're out.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alexf on Thursday 24 October 2013, 11:12:29 pm
who comes in if Williamson or Dummett get injured/sent off in the next game?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 24 October 2013, 11:15:13 pm
Mapou
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Post by: alexf on Thursday 24 October 2013, 11:16:22 pm
I mean during.
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Post by: Cajun on Thursday 24 October 2013, 11:20:22 pm
Streete, Good, Satka?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 24 October 2013, 11:42:17 pm
who comes in if Williamson or Dummett get injured/sent off in the next game?

Or Taylor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Thursday 24 October 2013, 11:48:51 pm
who comes in if Williamson or Dummett get injured/sent off in the next game?

Or Taylor.
He's crocked. It'll be an improvisation or a kid
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 24 October 2013, 11:51:45 pm
Source?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alexf on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:11:51 am
Yeah sorry should have said I was assuming the rumours are true that Taylor is out for the derby.

Just a tad worried now that were down to the bones and potentially may have to throw these untried youngsters into premier league games. I know it worked out ok against Liverpool with Dummett.

But having to rely on Mapou, Williamson and Taylor as the only senior centre backs for a while could be a problem, with Taylor's history of injuries and Mapou's somewhat fragile state.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Friday 25 October 2013, 03:10:58 am
Source?
His mate.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Friday 25 October 2013, 07:34:57 am
Dummett will be fine in the derby, you can tell he'll love it. Plus, will be confident.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skirge on Friday 25 October 2013, 07:36:07 am
Dummett will be fine in the derby, you can tell he'll love it. Plus, will be confident.
Aye have no worries about him playing
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Friday 25 October 2013, 08:04:13 am
Dummett will be fine in the derby, you can tell he'll love it. Plus, will be confident.

:thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Friday 25 October 2013, 08:30:40 am
Newcastle defender Paul Dummett has earned boss Alan Pardew's praise ahead of Sunday's Wear-Tyne derby.

The 22-year-old is be hoping to keep his place in the side after excelling when he was thrown into the deep end against Liverpool last time, filling in at centre-back following the sending-off of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa.

Dummett scored his first goal for the club in the 2-2 draw and has given Pardew plenty to think about ahead of the derby clash at the Stadium of Light.

The Newcastle boss told The Chronicle: "I don't expect to see him scoring goals - stopping goals is what he will be paid for.

"I thought he did that really well. He made some important interceptions and headers.

"You actually didn't see the join in the back four when Yanga-Mbiwa went off.

"We conceded a lot of possession because we only had 10 but we did really, really well."

Options

Pardew revealed he was going to start Dummett against Liverpool with Mike Williamson struggling in the build-up and - with Fabricio Coloccini out and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa now suspended - he is pleased he has got options at the back.

He added: "We've worked with the players that have come in. And we look like we've got a lot of good options.

"I was going to start with Dummett for Liverpool because Willo was struggling before the game.

"It was ironic that he came on. He'd had preparation, but I didn't expect him to do his little hop, skip and jump after he scored.

"His family will be proud of him. We've had him since he was nine so it is great to get one through."

That's the most contrived, flat-out stupid example of spin that I've ever come across. Aye, now that Yanga-Mbiwa and Coloccini are out, we now have options at the back! f***ing get in.

I think it's just clumsy parenthesis. He isn't pleased that the absence of Coloccini and Yanga-Mbiwa has provided us with options, he is pleased that we have more options than we did, say, last season, now that they're out.

Agreed, but last season we would have had Perch to fill in.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:16:36 pm
Dummett will be fine in the derby, you can tell he'll love it. Plus, will be confident.

:thup:

I think you're both having a laugh.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: icemanblue on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:20:50 pm
Can't say I'm overly comfortable with the belief he'll be fine, simply because he'll 'love it'. I'd love to play, too, but I wouldn't offer much. He's a young full back, being thrust into one of the, if not the most pressurized game of our season, in a somewhat unfamiliar position. Obviously, I hope he does well, but I'll still be very worried.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jack Flash on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:27:04 pm
I'd love to play, too, but I wouldn't offer much.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/15/article-0-1B4C3738000005DC-148_634x485.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:27:45 pm
Can't say I'm overly comfortable with the belief he'll be fine, simply because he'll 'love it'. I'd love to play, too, but I wouldn't offer much. He's a young full back, being thrust into one of the, if not the most pressurized game of our season, in a somewhat unfamiliar position. Obviously, I hope he does well, but I'll still be very worried.

:thup:

It's a lot different coming in and being expected to do well rather than come in and play in a backs against the wall situation. I'd argue the latter is far easier.

Altidore might have been poor but will have the beating of him physically and Fletcher if he plays is half decent.

Obviously hope he plays a blinder like but it's not ideal.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:37:47 pm
Yeah I'm surprised how confident a fair few people are about him playing cb. We're talking about an inexperienced Premier League player being asked to play out of position in an away derby. I've no doubt he'll 'be up for it' mentally but I have major doubts whether he'll cope ability wise.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ikon on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:42:31 pm
Some people thought Sammy Ameobi was going to be a star as well. Too early to say this or that regarding Dummett iyam.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 25 October 2013, 12:48:36 pm
That's beside the point. He's not a CB, never will be, has yet to start in the PL, let alone in a game of this magnitude and would be partnered by Mike fkin Williamson.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Greg on Friday 25 October 2013, 02:56:08 pm
Dummett played most of his youth and reserve team football as a central defender.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 25 October 2013, 02:59:54 pm
Dummett played most of his youth and reserve team football as a central defender.

Steven Taylor was a striker, what's your point?

Dummett is far too small to be a CB, anyway, even if he did have PL experience.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Friday 25 October 2013, 03:35:22 pm
Yeah. Just as a comparison, academy players in the past who were centre-backs (Taylor, Ramage, Edgar, Huntington...) were used as full-backs and a big reason was to get them to gain experience as they weren't ready to play at this level at centre-back.

We're now relying on someone with two Premier League sub appearances, to do the opposite to those four. That's a massive ask. If Sunderland go 4-4-2 on Sunday with Fletcher & Altidore, regardless of their fitness and s**** form, they might bully us if they play direct to those two.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andymc1 on Friday 25 October 2013, 03:35:31 pm
Dummett played most of his youth and reserve team football as a central defender.

Steven Taylor was a striker, what's your point?

Dummett is far too small to be a CB, anyway, even if he did have PL experience.

Totally. He was constantly out of position against Liverpool and we got away with it - not a chance he's a centre half. Can't believe I'm agreeing with something you say like but on this occasion I think you've got it spot on.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 25 October 2013, 03:39:24 pm
If Sunderland go 4-4-2 on Sunday with Fletcher & Altidore, regardless of their fitness and s**** form, they might bully us if they play direct to those two.

While that's probably their best pairing up-top, it's still not enough to concern me. Their link-up play and service to the forwards has been non-existent this season and even if they have to rely on hoofball to get Fletcher-Altidore involved, we should still be able to handle this match with ease.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Friday 25 October 2013, 03:42:06 pm
Dummett played most of his youth and reserve team football as a central defender.

Steven Taylor was a striker, what's your point?

Dummett is far too small to be a CB, anyway, even if he did have PL experience.

If Dummett was going to play at CB I don't think it was because anyone thought it was his best position, it's because we were running out of fit CBs. Hopefully we won't need him to play there anyway if the other two are fit.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 25 October 2013, 03:57:39 pm
People were saying it didn't matter if it was Taylor or Dummett. Ridiculous, tbh.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skirge on Friday 25 October 2013, 04:19:08 pm
If either Colo or Taylor are close then no need to play Dummett unless its at LB, he looked solid enough vs Liverpool but in no way is he a better option at CB than Taylor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Incognito on Friday 25 October 2013, 05:46:50 pm
Can't say I'm overly comfortable with the belief he'll be fine, simply because he'll 'love it'. I'd love to play, too, but I wouldn't offer much. He's a young full back, being thrust into one of the, if not the most pressurized game of our season, in a somewhat unfamiliar position. Obviously, I hope he does well, but I'll still be very worried.

Yet you still continually post on here despite 'not offering much'. Pity.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: icemanblue on Friday 25 October 2013, 05:50:29 pm
Class that, mate. :lol:
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Post by: Unbelievable! on Friday 25 October 2013, 05:55:20 pm
Some people thought Sammy Ameobi was going to be a star as well. Too early to say this or that regarding Dummett iyam.

Sammy is almost a year younger than Dummett. Not sure why you're bringing him up. They're both unproven with potential, no more, no less..
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Friday 25 October 2013, 06:32:27 pm
Some people thought Sammy Ameobi was going to be a star as well. Too early to say this or that regarding Dummett iyam.

Sammy is almost a year younger than Dummett. Not sure why you're bringing him up. They're both unproven with potential, no more, no less..

:thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 31 October 2013, 10:49:34 am
Dummett is never a LB. Pretty slow. He's a CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: henke on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:00:00 am
Too slow to be a full back, too small to be a centre half. He's the new Craig Moore.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: healthyaddiction on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:00:25 am
Dummett is never a LB. Pretty slow. He's a CB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxo0pSNYMXE
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alexf on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:01:49 am
was he injured or did he really just get "hauled off" despite only coming on at half time?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: healthyaddiction on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:04:27 am
Injured.  Did fine while on.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Lotus on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:14:44 am
Dummett is never a LB. Pretty slow. He's a CB.

:lol: A CB!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:24:43 am
was he injured or did he really just get "hauled off" despite only coming on at half time?
He was rubbing his hamstring when he went off.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:33:25 am
Don't think he's too small to be a CB at all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:35:09 am
Don't think he's too small to be a CB at all.

Ah, you were being serious.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:45:04 am
One decent game at CB with plenty of defensive cover against 11-man Liverpool and he's a CB.

One game against Man City and he's not a LB.

That's not forgetting he has been playing LB til now minus the one game at CB, that he's 5'10", 22 years old and had only one full season playing in the SPL before this. And that general consensus during the earlier games is that he exhibits a good amount of pace.

Not a LB, is a CB. Amusing.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Thursday 31 October 2013, 11:48:07 am
I’ve seen milk turn quicker than him yesterday. Wouldn't surprise me if he was hauled off but the rubbing hamstring theories seem more plausible.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 31 October 2013, 12:05:36 pm
Don't think he's athletic enough to be a decent a good fullback then.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alexf on Thursday 31 October 2013, 12:11:08 pm
He was up against Jesus f***ing Navas. I'll bet he's a hell of a lot faster than most left backs :)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: AlanSkärare on Thursday 31 October 2013, 12:11:37 pm
6 year deal? Want him to stay, but why do we have to keep every young player for 100 years? Look at the Ranger situation. Very few of them will come really good.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Thursday 31 October 2013, 12:12:37 pm
He was up against Jesus f***ing Navas. I'll bet he's a hell of a lot faster than most left backs :)

He did a decent job against him in the opening game of the season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 31 October 2013, 12:14:07 pm
Dummett is never a LB. Pretty slow. He's a CB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxo0pSNYMXE

:lol: Yep.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Thursday 31 October 2013, 12:14:16 pm
He may or may not make the grade at this level, LB or otherwise but there's nothing to suggest that he's a CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Thursday 31 October 2013, 12:17:12 pm
6 year deal? Want him to stay, but why do we have to keep every young player for 100 years? Look at the Ranger situation. Very few of them will come really good.

Because otherwise he might leave for 1p less than he might have been worth otherwise.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 31 October 2013, 06:31:53 pm
6 years  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 31 October 2013, 08:24:04 pm
4 actually
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Friday 1 November 2013, 12:32:52 am
No biggie anyway. He won't be on big wages and if he fails to make the grade, we can offload him to St Mirren or something.

The only possible concern is he will go all Ranger and think he has made it with the long contract and subsequently lacking motivation to improve. Well, Ranger is the extreme case but we have seen young players getting cocky and fail to progress.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Friday 1 November 2013, 12:40:06 am
Too slow to be a full back, too small to be a centre half. He's the new Craig Moore.

Don't think he's too slow to be a FB at all, he's always looked pretty mobile to me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Zippity on Friday 1 November 2013, 12:42:10 am
I think he's shown enough to make me think he'll be decent at least. For me, though, Haidara is going to be our 1st choice LB before too long. Not sure where that leaves Santon-pushing forward, maybe?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 1 November 2013, 12:58:16 am
Haidara's a long way away from being a PL LB. That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get games for a 2-bit outfit like us.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Friday 1 November 2013, 08:07:55 am
Haidara has looked very promising in the glimpses we've seen of him. IMO both he and Dummett will overtake Santon, if they've not already done so.

Santon doesn't look nimble enough to be a good full back. He only has to be slightly out of position to be completely beaten whereas good full backs have the speed and agility off the mark to recover. He's okay going forward, but I still think he would be better on the right.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 1 November 2013, 08:12:10 am
I can see Santon being the main LB this season, but I've no qualms with plans to replace him within the next 18 months, assuming he doesn't drastically improve. Aye, he's young, but he's been a permanent fixture in the side for a year and a half now and I see no discernible improvement thus far; he needs to kick on this season. Hopefully the competition will help but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 1 November 2013, 05:25:08 pm
I'm not sure why but Cronky always spoils himself when discussing defenders. As if Dummett and Haidara (particularly) may have 'overtaken' Santon. Load of crud.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Friday 1 November 2013, 05:41:16 pm
I'm not sure why but Cronky always spoils himself when discussing defenders. As if Dummett and Haidara (particularly) may have 'overtaken' Santon. Load of crud.
I haven't seen anything from the two reserve fullbacks to make me think they will be starting quality Premiership players in the next two seasons. First of all, one of them should be on loan once injuries clear and both should be given time to develop before being thrown to the lions. I do rate Santon significantly higher than some people on here though, admittedly.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 2 November 2013, 09:59:26 am
Lee Ryder ‏@lee_ryder 1m
#nufc have this morning confirmed Paul Dummett's new six year contract.
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Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Saturday 2 November 2013, 10:03:09 am
f*** me, will we ever learn?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 2 November 2013, 10:05:51 am
6 years. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 2 November 2013, 10:05:57 am
Probably thinks after his goal against Liverpool, we've unearthed a 15 goals a season left-back.

Quote
“He loves football but he sometimes can't understand how it works and it confuses and upsets him, and when he is upset he does things that aren't brilliant for the football club."

Oh joy.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Saturday 2 November 2013, 10:14:06 am
Seems a bit much, like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 2 November 2013, 10:44:41 am
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/paul-dummett-set-sign-new-6264990

Quote
By Lee Ryder

Paul Dummett signs new six-year deal with Newcastle United
2 Nov 2013 10:20

Geordie defender Paul Dummett has signed a new six year deal with Newcastle United



Paul Dummett has agreed a new six year deal with Newcastle United.

The Chronicle revealed that Dummett had put pen to paper on Thursday and United today confirmed the new contract.

The Geordie boy has signed a structured pay as you play deal which also includes an increased salary.

Dummett, who is injured for tomorrow's clash withe Chelsea, is understood to have been pleased to get his future sorted out after weeks of speculation.

However, his recent performances have not gone unnoticed.

Indeed Hull City have been tracking the defender and were interested in the fact his previous deal was set to expire at the end of the season.

Dummett is an example of how the Magpies are eager to bring talent through the ranks.

Dummett said today: "I am delighted to secure my long term future with Newcastle United, like so many local lads it has been my boyhood dream to play for this club and now I am looking forward to repaying their faith in me and working hard to be the best possible player I can be.

"This is a great moment for my family and so many others who have supported me over the years and I would like to thank them all."

Meanwhile Alan Pardew also added: “Paul fully deserves his new contract and we're delighted for him.

“He has been with us since the age of nine, progressing through our Academy which is great testament to the work they do in developing young players. It also demonstrates to youngsters in the region that a pathway exists for them, provided they have the right attitude, commitment and ability, to move through the ranks into the first team.

“He has made great progress in the last year, benefitting enormously from his spell at St Mirren last year.

“His performances this season for us have been first class and we were all delighted he scored his first goal for the club against Liverpool, and a very important one at that.”

And director of football, Joe Kinnear added: "We're delighted that Paul has committed his long term future to the club.  In reality this was never in doubt as we wanted Paul to stay and as a Geordie Paul made it clear that the only place he wanted to play was Newcastle United - it was just a question of finding the right deal for both parties which we have managed to do.

"It's vitally important that we give young talent the platform to develop a career at Newcastle United and that we retain and develop the region's best players.  Paul has been given a great opportunity with us and he's grasped it and performed well in the first team during pre-season and in recent games.

"We hope that Paul will follow in the footsteps of current players Tim Krul, Steven Taylor and Shola Ameobi, who have come through the Academy and contributed hugely to this club like many others before them.

"It confirms our belief that there is local talent out there for us to identify and nurture through the club and that our strategy in respect of this can - and will - bear fruit.  Paul's achievement should give encouragement to our Academy to keep up the great work and also sends a strong positive message to young local players that if you are good enough then there will be opportunities at this club."
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Saturday 2 November 2013, 10:55:10 am
Thats just the push we as a club needed ahead of the Chelsea game, everything is better now.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dokko on Saturday 2 November 2013, 10:56:53 am
4 actually

6 actually.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 2 November 2013, 11:54:03 am
Good news imo, he isn't going to do a Ranger, looks a decent player and won't be on much.

He also seems desperate to play (unlike some) so I can't see him just sitting it out if he isn't getting enough chances.

We do give out needlessly long contracts though :lol: there must be a reason behind it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 2 November 2013, 01:52:14 pm
Good news imo, he isn't going to do a Ranger, looks a decent player and won't be on much.

He also seems desperate to play (unlike some) so I can't see him just sitting it out if he isn't getting enough chances.

We do give out needlessly long contracts though :lol: there must be a reason behind it.
max valuation if we sell them
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 2 November 2013, 02:31:06 pm
Could have got that with a 4 year contract, as I said though I'm happy with it. Even if he's average as f*** we need a squad.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Saturday 2 November 2013, 02:54:28 pm
4 actually

6 actually.

Was reported earlier as 4 with an option for a further 2. Wouldn't be surprised if window licking Lee got it wrong.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 2 November 2013, 02:57:12 pm
Newcastle United defender Paul Dummett has agreed a new long-term contract with the Club, which could extend to six years.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 2 November 2013, 03:06:30 pm
Happy for him, hope his development continues upward.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Wednesday 6 November 2013, 05:08:43 pm
wtf is this this?!?!

http://twitpic.com/dk9345

kudos to whoever made it for using a proper radge remixed version of the song.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TheHoob on Wednesday 6 November 2013, 05:11:43 pm
wtf is this this?!?!

http://twitpic.com/dk9345

kudos to whoever made it for using a proper radge remixed version of the song.

Christ  :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 6 November 2013, 05:14:24 pm

wtf is this this?!?!

http://twitpic.com/dk9345

kudos to whoever made it for using a proper radge remixed version of the song.

Christ  :lol:

:anguish:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Sima on Wednesday 6 November 2013, 05:23:12 pm
BANTZ
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: High Five o/ on Wednesday 6 November 2013, 05:39:40 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wish i knew him, i would so take the p*ss out of him every f***ing second:


Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Thursday 7 November 2013, 06:55:01 am
Where the f*** has that chant come from? Why do we sing it?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Thursday 7 November 2013, 04:20:46 pm
:lol::lol: The production quality at NUFCtv has plummetted ever further since Scanlon left I see.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: George Bailey on Saturday 9 November 2013, 01:03:09 pm
interviewing now on Sky :)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 8 February 2014, 06:25:54 pm
Steady showing today I thought. I hope he's edged ahead of Haidara with it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 24 February 2014, 05:16:22 pm
Why is he taking the set-pieces?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Rocker on Monday 24 February 2014, 05:17:05 pm
Why is he taking the set-pieces?

Dunno but I've seen far worse from Cabaye in the last few years ( free kicks excluded).
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 24 February 2014, 05:18:21 pm
He's actually a decent threat in the box himself. If the second option is Gouff then we need help
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Rocker on Monday 24 February 2014, 05:28:42 pm
He's actually a decent threat in the box himself. If the second option is Gouff then we need help

Would be tempted to stick Anita on corners, due to him not being a threat at all in the box.

Obviously depends if he's any f***ing good or not like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 24 February 2014, 05:34:03 pm
He looks like he could actually be a bit of a threat in the final third in spite of a possible lack of natural footballing ability.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Monday 24 February 2014, 05:54:02 pm
So, he's the Kevin Nolan of left backs then?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tsunami on Monday 24 February 2014, 07:09:09 pm
He was an accident waiting to happen for the first 25 minutes or so. All over the place and nervous as hell. Gouffran had a right go at him when he could see what was happening and should have been helping him out.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: biggs on Monday 24 February 2014, 07:38:10 pm
He looks like he could actually be a bit of a threat in the final third in spite of a possible lack of natural footballing ability.
Agree with you on this pity he has our coaching staff for progress on the pitch ;D
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Monday 24 February 2014, 07:39:23 pm
Think Happy Face pointed it out when Santon was taking corners, but it's really weird to have a defender so hopelessly out of the game should the opposition break. Which frankly is quite likely. Even more strange yesterday was Anita coming for a short one almost every time despite being ignored on the vast majority. Another player unable to affect the game in an offensive or defensive manner.

Still, as has been said they weren't the worst corners in the world. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 24 February 2014, 07:48:53 pm
It's not that uncommon though. Baines does it for Everton.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Monday 24 February 2014, 07:51:54 pm
It's not that uncommon though. Baines does it for Everton.

Has done for years though, so they're presumably quite adept at covering for it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 24 February 2014, 07:52:36 pm
Baines strikes a ball as well as almost anyone in the league, though, to be fair.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Monday 24 February 2014, 09:24:05 pm
He looks like he could actually be a bit of a threat in the final third in spite of a possible lack of natural footballing ability.

Ronnie, I know you like to hedge your bets, but that's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 24 February 2014, 09:26:09 pm
What? :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 25 February 2014, 12:05:33 pm
You've kinda said he has some footballing ability while also saying he possibly doesn't have much football ability. LOOL.

TBF he strikes a ball as good as anyone that plays for NUFC currently
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 26 February 2014, 04:09:40 pm
No I didn't, I said he looks a threat. He asserts himself well and attacks and strikes the ball well without looking like he has natural ability on it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 26 February 2014, 04:26:28 pm
He's like the full back version of Dan Gosling.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: STM on Wednesday 26 February 2014, 04:36:22 pm
I think Rons right. Sometimes it takes balls and awareness to score a goal, not technical ability.

I like Dummett. Hes no worse than Santon and potentially better going foward.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DebuchyAndTheBeast on Wednesday 26 February 2014, 04:43:27 pm
He's still a bit dodgy defensively but does recover well. Going forward he moves naturally to the left byline which can help us stretch the opposition defence, something Santon does rarely. His final ball hasn't been that good and I'd like to see him whip some balls in from deep like Debuchy does on the right.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 27 February 2014, 11:41:04 am
Eh? He's shown himself to have a decent first touch and the ability to strike a ball. That's technical ability. He doesn't look very comfortable carrying the ball however..
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Thursday 27 February 2014, 11:53:27 am
He's like the full back version of Dan Gosling.

Dummett is nowhere near one-paced enough to make a comparison like that tbh.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Thursday 27 February 2014, 06:11:01 pm
Eh? He's shown himself to have a decent first touch and the ability to strike a ball. That's technical ability. He doesn't look very comfortable carrying the ball however..

I've not seen much of him running with the ball, but I'd agree about his technical ability. That quick control and dipping shot from the right hand edge of the penalty area were the signs of a good player. And I'm sure he wouldn't be taking the corners if there wasn't some faith in his technique.

I don't think he took any of the free kicks around the penalty area - I may be wrong. He seemed to be hovering with intent but more senior players prevailed. I'd like to see him take one from the right hand side of the area, curving in.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 27 February 2014, 10:48:18 pm
I like the look of him. Also him playing means Santon isn't so i'm all for it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Thursday 27 February 2014, 11:11:37 pm
No I didn't, I said he looks a threat. He asserts himself well and attacks and strikes the ball well without looking like he has natural ability on it.

When in a hole, stop digging.  ;)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 27 February 2014, 11:14:25 pm
Either you're decades younger than you claim or you're about 18 months away from moving in with my grandad.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Friday 28 February 2014, 12:17:01 am

I like the look of him. Also him playing means Santon isn't so i'm all for it.

This. Had enough of his cut inside, lose the ball, jog back half arsed crap for one season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Friday 28 February 2014, 03:15:03 pm
Either you're decades younger than you claim or you're about 18 months away from moving in with my grandad.

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: henke on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:23:18 pm
His deliery from corners is better than Cabaye, which isn't saying much. I'd have Dummett taking the free kicks around the oppositions box because Remy's crap.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:55:54 pm
Had a solid game, certainly looking better than Santon considering the italian's performance this season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:56:45 pm
Too much thumping it for my liking. Gifts possession against better sides.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:58:52 pm
As confident as Willo on the ball.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: dabe on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:59:49 pm
Too much thumping it for my liking. Gifts possession against better sides.

Agreed, though I think being slightly more defensively minded and sturdier than Santon has been recently counter balances that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 1 March 2014, 05:01:17 pm
Takes a much better set piece than Santon too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 1 March 2014, 05:01:37 pm
Solid performance.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 1 March 2014, 05:02:33 pm
Did well I thought and has a good left peg. Prefer him to Santon.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SiLvOR on Saturday 1 March 2014, 05:55:44 pm
Too much thumping it for my liking. Gifts possession against better sides.

:thup: Really wound me up today.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: David Icke - Son of God on Saturday 1 March 2014, 05:59:29 pm
Found time for a break dance.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhpuSS7IMAARqbn.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Saturday 1 March 2014, 06:00:43 pm
Found time for a break dance.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhpuSS7IMAARqbn.jpg:large)

Krul: 'Jack, Draw me like one of your French girls...'
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 1 March 2014, 06:00:58 pm
:lol: Great photo.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 1 March 2014, 06:03:34 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol: In that split second, there's absolutely no explanation for him to be in the position he's in.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Leazes1986 on Saturday 1 March 2014, 07:49:50 pm
He strikes me as someone who just lacks a little bit of self belief on the ball in open play. I think with more game time and confidence there could be a player there.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: HTT on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:09:45 pm
A very limited footballer yet despite Santon clearly being a better footballer, Dummett seems somewhat more assured and more safe if you like, in defence and in attack.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:13:04 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/iVIt2dy.gif)

Areet Paul calm doon.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nemtizz on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:14:11 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: STM on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:14:55 pm
Better defender than Santon and can take a set piece.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:14:59 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:22:59 pm
Bit too much thumping but had a good game in general. Better defensively than Santon though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Aiston on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:35:27 pm
I see no one wants to mentioned Elmo taking him apart a few times as well as his awful attempt of defending that almost cost us a goal in the first half. (Willo didn't help with his zero attempt to block a cross).

Below average game today, would like Haidara to have a few games.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NUFC on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:38:32 pm
Think Haidara should be 2nd choice LB with Dummett 3rd choice

Would say Haidara is better defensively & in attack
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Leazes1986 on Saturday 1 March 2014, 08:50:51 pm
Dummett has played two games and we've won both with a more than decent contribution from him, it should be his shirt to lose. It seems to me some people don't want to give Dummett a chance because they've got such hope/expectations of Haidara. I've seen nowt much from Haidara so far really, if anything I am more comfortable with Dummett in the team from what I've seen so far. I am not saying one is better than the other either, you can't drop Dummett for Haidara now though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Saturday 1 March 2014, 09:01:46 pm
Must have more goals/assists than Santon this season despite never playing.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DebuchyAndTheBeast on Saturday 1 March 2014, 10:44:39 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/iVIt2dy.gif)

Areet Paul calm doon.

 :lol: dafuq
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Saturday 1 March 2014, 11:00:38 pm
He's not Santon. Enough to stay in the team for me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 1 March 2014, 11:02:04 pm
TBH I thought for some of the first half he was a defensive liability, improved mind and just inexperience
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DebuchyAndTheBeast on Saturday 1 March 2014, 11:10:29 pm
Both of our fullbacks got an assist today. Don't remember the last time it happened
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 1 March 2014, 11:20:33 pm
Thought he had a good game tbh. Difficult job to be a full back these days as they have to be good at everything, anywhere else on the pitch players get let off because they aren't expected to be good at certain aspect of the game but a full back is rated by their defensive and offensive attributes.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:34:04 pm
He strikes me as someone who just lacks a little bit of self belief on the ball in open play. I think with more game time and confidence there could be a player there.

:thup:

My viewing of Saturday was that he maybe doesn't yet have the confidence to play his way out of trouble enough; he did it on a few occasions very well but often shifted it away from the player closing him down for the smash down the line.

He looks like a capable defender and has a good touch and cross IMO. I'd like to think we'd see the thwacking down the line decrease as he gets more games.

I think he's had a decent attempt at goal in almost every game he's played for us and seems like more of a threat than Santon; he seems to have that knack of popping up when there's a chance on that Santon lacks.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:36:33 pm
He needs lessons from Williamson. He took years to learn how to pass 5 yards, now does it alot better
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:40:23 pm
He needs lessons from Williamson. He took years to learn how to pass 5 yards, now does it alot better

What nonsense, man.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:44:11 pm
He needs lessons from Williamson. He took years to learn how to pass 5 yards, now does it alot better

What nonsense, man.

Oh bite me. You really are a douche, arent you? Nothing about you seems likeable at all. I picture a 70 year old man sitting on a porch with 15 cats surround him.

That was a tongue in cheek comment. I didnt think anyone would take that literally.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:45:06 pm
wtf is a douche?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:47:21 pm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douchebag
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:50:40 pm
Picturing old men with cats seems a bit weird to me, like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Monday 3 March 2014, 03:53:56 pm
Wow. Didnt think you had humour in you. Im impressed. You are normally so sour and hyper-critical of everyone here who are clearly beneath you. Keep it up
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 23 March 2014, 01:04:14 am
Very solid defensively again, IMO.

First half an hour he must have booted the ball down the line about ten times, and then seemed to cut it out after that. He's gradually finding his feet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Sunday 23 March 2014, 01:21:08 am
I'd far rather see Haidara given some time on the pitch tbh. It's not like finishing 8th means much more than finishing 9th. Haidara can provide some width down the left where we are desperately lacking right now. Dummett one one side and MYM on the other. Then we wonder why we don't seem to have any service from wide positions.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Aiston on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:05:03 am
Don't see how he was solid, he was beaten far too often and rarely blocked any crosses coming into the box. They came pretty close to scoring when Dummett failed to cover.

Would like to see Haidara given a chance now. Surely his set pieces cannot be as bad :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:10:39 am
Haidara's got more in his locker, physically and technically, and will improve defensively if given a run of games. Dummett's a good lad but doesn't really look a Premier League footballer to me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Zippity on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:11:09 am
Haidara for me. Much better offensively and an equally good defender from what I can tell from the admittedly limited number of times we've seen him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: aussiemag on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:14:36 am
Yeh Dummett lacks the strength, skill and pace. Haidara has elements of this to his game.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:15:37 am
Haidara's got more in his locker, physically and technically, and will improve defensively if given a run of games. Dummett's a good lad but doesn't really look a Premier League footballer to me.

I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:16:55 am
Don't rate Dummett at all tbh. Smacks of our desperation to show our academy is functional. Poor on the ball, dodgy defensively, santon was a far better outlet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: scum on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:21:21 am
As we lack any sort of wing threat going forward I'd imagine he does very well in training.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:40:46 am
We've managed to find someone worse at corners than Cabaye
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Smal on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:43:37 am
Don't rate Dummett at all tbh. Smacks of our desperation to show our academy is functional. Poor on the ball, dodgy defensively, santon was a far better outlet.

Aye. Doubt he'll ever amount to anything other than a Championship level clogger. Works hard though.

Bit like a left sided Danny Simpson.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Atticus on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:46:11 am
Don't rate Dummett at all tbh. Smacks of our desperation to show our academy is functional. Poor on the ball, dodgy defensively, santon was a far better outlet.

Aye. Doubt he'll ever amount to anything other than a Championship level clogger. Works hard though.

Bit like a left sided Danny Simpson.

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Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 23 March 2014, 11:47:15 am
wtf is a douche?

French for shower, which arnonel was talking s**** from.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:30:41 pm
Honestly, how does this guy even get a game in the PL?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:31:33 pm
Honestly, how does this guy even get a game in the PL?
He's playing better then Santon was before he got injured.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Smal on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:32:07 pm
Is he f***.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:32:26 pm
One day he'll look back and be amazed he has achieved 10+ Premier league appearances. 
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:32:56 pm
Honestly, how does this guy even get a game in the PL?
He's playing better then Santon was before he got injured.

:lol: Alright, if you say so.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:33:14 pm
6 year deal, was it?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Willow on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:34:11 pm
He just doesn't seem ready yet, therefore I'd much rather be seeing Haidara getting the position for the rest of the season to get plenty of game time.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:34:30 pm
He hasn't been as bad as some on here are making out, he's been a bit average but he hasn't been poor, other then when he tries to shoot, he should stop that :lol:.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:35:39 pm
He is average in a defensive capacity and well below average going forward, in summary he is s***.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Scotty66 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:36:00 pm
Had his chances but hasn't taken them.

Bench him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Lenny on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:36:55 pm
Honestly, how does this guy even get a game in the PL?
He's playing better then Santon was before he got injured.

:lol: Alright, if you say so.

He's playing no worse than Santon, but he's still been s****. I'd have given the chance to Haidara.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:37:27 pm
Had his chances but hasn't taken them.

:lol: About six whole appearances.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:38:09 pm
What the f*** has he been doing in training that's made anyone think "get Dummy on the ball, he can whip a dangerous one in"?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:38:54 pm
As harsh as it is, everything about him just screams average.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:40:05 pm
To be fair like no matter who is putting the crosses in its our ability and plan to attack said crosses that is the biggest problem, though our delivery is also very poor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:41:49 pm
Honestly, how does this guy even get a game in the PL?
He's playing better then Santon was before he got injured.

:lol: Alright, if you say so.

He's playing no worse than Santon, but he's still been s****. I'd have given the chance to Haidara.
Same here, :thup: from what i've seen he's looked the better of the two, but Dummett hasn't been bad, but just a bit ordinary.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SiLvOR on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 08:41:57 pm
Made one good pass on the floor so far. Improvement.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Amir_9 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:16:15 pm
Useless
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: HTT on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:32:17 pm
Championship player at best.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:43:34 pm
He was poor tonight like. Yanga-Mbiwa was worse though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:44:21 pm
He's abysmal
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jtm_92 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:45:21 pm
Send him to the spl, that's his level
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:45:59 pm
He was poor, but arguably our best defender tonight.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: aussiemag on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:18:04 pm
Didn't see the game tonight, but there's no way he has any outstanding attributes that make him a premier league left back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BeloEmre on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:20:00 pm
Slow and a useless left foot. Not even close to be good enough for Premier League.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:21:21 pm
Slow and a useless left foot. Not even close to be good enough for Premier League.
This.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: aussiemag on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:22:33 pm
Slow, can't beat a man, can't pass, poor first touch.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Zippity on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:22:41 pm
Time to put Haidara in.

Although that usless f***ing c**t Pardew obviously has something against him so there's no chance of that.  :rant:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:23:26 pm
Feel a bit sorry for him really. Seems to have been nominated as our main (only) attacking threat down the left despite being a young rather limited defender.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:23:32 pm
Haidara's no better, unless being French makes him better.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:23:54 pm
He's been handled poorly. Confidence will be on the floor after that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:25:25 pm
I'd still keep him in the side. You've got to let him learn from nights like this or I really don't see the point. Fortunately, we do have the luxury of giving the likes of him some extended spells in the side; which is one silver lining of being in the position we are. I'd have Sammy in there n'all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Atticus on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:29:40 pm
I honestly think aussiemag has it right, feel like a dick for saying it but he just has no standout qualities to his game that make me think he's worth sticking with.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:30:15 pm
I'd still keep him in the side. You've got to let him learn from nights like this or I really don't see the point. Fortunately, we do have the luxury of giving the likes of him some extended spells in the side; which is one silver lining of being in the position we are. I'd have Sammy in there n'all.

I just can't see any attributes that would make me excited about his future. Haidara is quicker and better on the ball, that alone makes him a lot more exciting prospect. Agree on Sammy, definitely should be getting big minutes after his good spell before the injury.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:32:07 pm
I just think that, since he's had the nod in Santon's absence, we've committed to it and should stick with it. Like I say, let him learn.

And I know I keep going back to it... but it would be nice to see us have a regular starter who's from the area. The team's missing some pride. He might not even be a money-grabbing c*** like Carroll, if he does end up being any good.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:32:39 pm
He's been handled poorly. Confidence will be on the floor after that.

He's the one Academy player who's actually been treated correctly and he's poor man. He got a loan spell to learn his trade, he got the odd game here and there, he's been given a run due to injury, but he's just rank.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Atticus on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:33:06 pm
I just think that, since he's had the nod in Santon's absence, we've committed to it and should stick with it. Like I say, let him learn.

And I know I keep going back to it... but it would be nice to see us have a regular starter who's from the area. The team's missing some pride. He might not even be a money-grabbing c*** like Carroll, if he does end up being any good.

:thup:

Given the circumstances it's probably a fair enough viewpoint. I'd quite like to see the time spent on Haidara personally, though, and not just because he's French.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Aiston on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:33:10 pm
He was appalling again, try Haidara now.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:34:10 pm
He's been handled poorly. Confidence will be on the floor after that.

He's the one Academy player who's actually been treated correctly and he's poor man. He got a loan spell to learn his trade, he got the odd game here and there, he's been given a run due to injury, but he's just rank.

Oh, I agree that he's poor. I didn't think he should've started tonight as I don't think he's really looked very comfortable at all. I'd have Haidara in, he's got the raw materials and is worth persevering with.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:37:09 pm
He was appalling again, try Haidara now.

And if he doesn't hit the ground running, then what? Umm and ahh and go back to Santon? Then back to Dummett?

It would be achingly typical of Pardew to drop Dummett now. I know he hasn't played well - I know. But as I keep saying; we've committed to giving him some games and there's been flashes of ability. Dropping him as soon as he's got his arse handed to him renders the whole thing a bit pointless imo because he hasn't had that long (behind a front six that's woefully disjointed, by the by).

If, by the end of the season, he's shown no improvement - fair enough. I'd get him and Haidara out on loan and look to invest in the position.

As for Davide, I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Roma or Milan threw £5m at us.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Aiston on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:44:41 pm
He was appalling again, try Haidara now.

And if he doesn't hit the ground running, then what? Umm and ahh and go back to Santon? Then back to Dummett?

It would be achingly typical of Pardew to drop Dummett now. I know he hasn't played well - I know. But as I keep saying; we've committed to giving him some games and there's been flashes of ability. Dropping him as soon as he's got his arse handed to him renders the whole thing a bit pointless imo because he hasn't had that long (behind a front six that's woefully disjointed, by the by).

If, by the end of the season, he's shown no improvement - fair enough. I'd get him and Haidara out on loan and look to invest in the position.

As for Davide, I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Roma or Milan threw £5m at us.

The point is, we have nothing to play for so may as well give our youngsters a run out. Dummett is playing incredibly poorly and doesn't deserve to be in the team..so let Haidara play for a few games, see what he can do with a decent run of them.

It's not the first game he has had his arse handed to him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:49:55 pm
Time to give Haidara a chance. Dummett is as good on the ball as Williamson, just constantly hoofs it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: huss9 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:52:17 pm
if we're gonna experiment with players or new formations, now is the time. nowt to lose if it goes tits up.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:52:19 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:54:02 pm
Watch us go back for Taylor from Swansea.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:54:50 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:55:32 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:56:15 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:

Was a genuine question. Haidara for me has looked the better of all three LBs we have.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:56:22 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:56:41 pm
I'd still keep him in the side. You've got to let him learn from nights like this or I really don't see the point. Fortunately, we do have the luxury of giving the likes of him some extended spells in the side; which is one silver lining of being in the position we are. I'd have Sammy in there n'all.

Agree with this. Everyone keeps talking about Haidara like he's being really hard done by and some sort of answer.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:56:49 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:

Wasn't expecting an answer like. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:57:54 pm
We should just bring Santon back as soon as he's available. He's more than good enough.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:58:37 pm
I've seen about 4 Ligue 1 games in my life.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:59:36 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:

Was a genuine question. Haidara for me has looked the better of all three LBs we have.

When? Seriously. Everyone says this, but aside from a nice stroll against 9-man Stoke, he's done absolutely nowt for me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:00:57 pm
Did someone mention the Liverpool 0-6 in which Haidara was personally responsible for everything wrong on the day? Think he even knocked a kid over driving the bus en route to the ground.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:01:37 pm
The 0-6 was the only poor game I've seen him have.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:03:30 pm
I've seen about 4 Ligue 1 games in my life.

I'll try to be more clear. Why do you think Haidara is cheap crap? From the little I've seen (the same as you) he seems to have all the necessary physical attributes and is even decent on the ball. Is there something that I'm missing regarding his potential?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:03:37 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:

Was a genuine question. Haidara for me has looked the better of all three LBs we have.

When? Seriously. Everyone says this, but aside from a nice stroll against 9-man Stoke, he's done absolutely nowt for me.

Well I still think Santon is the better player but he's had an abysmal season while Dummett is absolute garbage. Haidara looked good in the Stoke game and has had other decent cameos for the side tbf.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: bhoywhonder on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:04:46 pm
The 0-6 was the only poor game I've seen him have.

Didn't see today then? (EDIT - were you talking about Haidera? I was talking about Dummett..... :undecided:)

I really want him to do well, but on current evidence he is poor. Pulled all over the place today, and when he did get the ball, he didn't know what to do.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NEEJ on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:05:13 pm
He's not good enough.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:05:15 pm
Good job we've given him a 6 year contract :thup: :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:05:25 pm
I meant Haidara  :lol: Dummett was bad tonight.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:05:38 pm
There was a period for a few weeks where Haidara was the Holy Grail off the bench. Pardew seemed to think his crossing was the answer to all our problems, until he realised it wasn't and he hasn't been seen since. Luckily Dummett popped his head up with crossing that is the answer to all our problems (until he realises it isn't.)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:06:35 pm
Good job we've given him a 6 year contract :thup: :thup:

Club could've gone bust if we had let him go for nowt you irresponsible f***.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:07:02 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:

Was a genuine question. Haidara for me has looked the better of all three LBs we have.

When? Seriously. Everyone says this, but aside from a nice stroll against 9-man Stoke, he's done absolutely nowt for me.

Well I still think Santon is the better player but he's had an abysmal season while Dummett is absolute garbage. Haidara looked good in the Stoke game and has had other decent cameos for the side tbf.

Name them please. His 10 minutes in the Arsenal game was laughably bad, FYI. Totally killed any attacking momentum with his dodgy touch, time and again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mick on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:08:11 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:10:33 pm
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:

Was a genuine question. Haidara for me has looked the better of all three LBs we have.

When? Seriously. Everyone says this, but aside from a nice stroll against 9-man Stoke, he's done absolutely nowt for me.

Well I still think Santon is the better player but he's had an abysmal season while Dummett is absolute garbage. Haidara looked good in the Stoke game and has had other decent cameos for the side tbf.

Nice Avatar Felipão. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:11:58 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.
Decent players have ability on the ball. Williamson gets away with it because he's a centre back. It's crucial for a full back to be comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:13:38 pm
Dummett will not make it as a PL footballer, simple as that. He's awful
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:15:10 pm
Haidara's no better, unless being French makes him better.

Haidara is far better.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:16:02 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

Exactly right.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:19:08 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

Exactly right.

Same applies for Haidara though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:20:28 pm
Santon is only 23 as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:22:47 pm
The difference with Santon is that he's had about 80 more Premier League games than the two of them put together, and however many Serie A games too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:25:20 pm
If anyone can legit say they think Dummett will have a successful career then fair play, but he has none of the tools required
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:27:05 pm
If anyone can legit say they think Dummett will have a successful career then fair play, but he has none of the tools required

Exactly - I can't think a single thing he does well.  He is slow and has poor technique.  He just doesn't look like a footballer.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:27:36 pm
Haidara has way more potential. We'd get far more in the long run by giving him a go.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:29:51 pm
Haidara can cross a decent ball. I know that's not a requirement for a team with no strikers in the box so I guess Dummett would be a safer bet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andymc1 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:30:33 pm
If anyone can legit say they think Dummett will have a successful career then fair play, but he has none of the tools required

:thup: As long as I've got a hole in my arse he'll not be good enough for Premier League football. Absolutely ridiculous that he his playing in this league really and I've said it for a long time. Scored a goal against Liverpool, got a contract and hasn't put in a good performance since. I'll never forgive him for Sunderland away this year, and all this "but he's a local lad" is a load of s****.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:31:30 pm
He's got neat hair.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:33:19 pm
If anyone can legit say they think Dummett will have a successful career then fair play, but he has none of the tools required

:thup: As long as I've got a hole in my arse he'll not be good enough for Premier League football. Absolutely ridiculous that he his playing in this league really and I've said it for a long time. Scored a goal against Liverpool, got a contract and hasn't put in a good performance since. I'll never forgive him for Sunderland away this year, and all this "but he's a local lad" is a load of s****.

He might be s**** but that's utter bobbins
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:33:25 pm
If anyone can legit say they think Dummett will have a successful career then fair play, but he has none of the tools required

:thup: As long as I've got a hole in my arse he'll not be good enough for Premier League football. Absolutely ridiculous that he his playing in this league really and I've said it for a long time. Scored a goal against Liverpool, got a contract and hasn't put in a good performance since. I'll never forgive him for Sunderland away this year, and all this "but he's a local lad" is a load of s****.

:lol: you're a f***ing moron, sorry like. You'll never forgive a young full-back making his third or fourth PL appearance for being pressed into service out of position in a derby game? Christ. Do you batter your missus if she forgets to pair your socks up?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:33:38 pm
If anyone can legit say they think Dummett will have a successful career then fair play, but he has none of the tools required

:thup: As long as I've got a hole in my arse he'll not be good enough for Premier League football. Absolutely ridiculous that he his playing in this league really and I've said it for a long time. Scored a goal against Liverpool, got a contract and hasn't put in a good performance since. I'll never forgive him for Sunderland away this year, and all this "but he's a local lad" is a load of s****.
Sunderland game is harsh. Young lad given his first start in a local derby out of position against a physical centre forward. Recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:34:34 pm
So, suppose we put Haidara in. Will you all be so fast to write him off if he's not set the world alight in 7 or 8 games in this woeful side?

EDIT: I know, I already don't rate Haidara... but a lot in this thread seem to think he's the answer to everything.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andymc1 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:35:12 pm
Meh, he's s****. Probably make a decent career for himself in the SPL at a lower mid table side a la St Mirren.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:36:04 pm
So, suppose we put Haidara in. Will you all be so fast to write him off if he's not set the world alight in 7 or 8 games in this woeful side?

I won't - because he is clearly a better player with a lot more potential.  He actually has some of the attributes required of a Premiership footballer.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:38:47 pm
What's good about Dummett?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andymc1 on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:39:14 pm
So, suppose we put Haidara in. Will you all be so fast to write him off if he's not set the world alight in 7 or 8 games in this woeful side?

EDIT: I know, I already don't rate Haidara... but a lot in this thread seem to think he's the answer to everything.

It's evident we need a proper left back but for the time being Haidara needs to be ahead of Dummett. Santon has had a really poor season but it'll be interesting to see how comes back after a break - he's played a lot of football for a young full back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nufc4eva on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:42:56 pm
It's shocking he is playing never mind taking all set pieces. Average as f***
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:43:06 pm
So, suppose we put Haidara in. Will you all be so fast to write him off if he's not set the world alight in 7 or 8 games in this woeful side?

I won't - because he is clearly a better player with a lot more potential.  He actually has some of the attributes required of a Premiership footballer.

This. :thup:

Feels bad saying this but right now I feel like Dummett has none of the abilities a modern fullback needs to be good in the Premier League. He'll make a nice career somewhere but it won't be in the top half of the Premier League.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 06:34:16 am
Did someone mention the Liverpool 0-6 in which Haidara was personally responsible for everything wrong on the day? Think he even knocked a kid over driving the bus en route to the ground.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 06:35:51 am
So, suppose we put Haidara in. Will you all be so fast to write him off if he's not set the world alight in 7 or 8 games in this woeful side?

EDIT: I know, I already don't rate Haidara... but a lot in this thread seem to think he's the answer to everything.
Seeing as you prefer Dummett to Haidara, what makes him a better player?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: aussiemag on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 07:31:39 am
I'd like to see Haidara get the run of games Dummett has. Dummett has shown nothing to suggest he contains any sort of quality.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: AlanSkärare on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 07:39:16 am
Why did the left-back subs stop when we needed them for the first time?

This feels somewhat forced because he's an academy lad. It's painfully obvious Haïdara should be playing.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 08:38:43 am
We should just buy a proper LB instead of picking up cheap crap for £2m.

Considering the love you have for Ligue 1 among other leagues, you must have seen a lot of Haidara even before he joined us. Care to elaborate why he is cheap crap?

What? :lol:

Was a genuine question. Haidara for me has looked the better of all three LBs we have.

When? Seriously. Everyone says this, but aside from a nice stroll against 9-man Stoke, he's done absolutely nowt for me.

Well I still think Santon is the better player but he's had an abysmal season while Dummett is absolute garbage. Haidara looked good in the Stoke game and has had other decent cameos for the side tbf.

Name them please. His 10 minutes in the Arsenal game was laughably bad, FYI. Totally killed any attacking momentum with his dodgy touch, time and again.

I thought that spell during the Stoke period was good. Had an excellent cameo there, thought he was decent or at least didn't do any wrong from what I remember against Soton. Also, I've see Dummett play far more minutes for this club than Haidara, and while Haidara maybe hasn't been excellent, Dummet has been below average for 95% of his games here.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 08:41:10 am
Anyone still reckon santon contributed nothing going forward? At least he could run with a ball, Dummett is hopeless. He will prob have a decent championship career but that's it for him. Bad first touch, slow, positionally bad, can't cross, can't pass. Awful
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 08:50:42 am
Anyone still reckon santon contributed nothing going forward? At least he could run with a ball, Dummett is hopeless. He will prob have a decent championship career but that's it for him. Bad first touch, slow, positionally bad, can't cross, can't pass. Awful

Santon needed a kick up his ass, I like Santon as much as the next guy, but he was clearly need a rest, and some pressure to play like he has before for us. I think his form has gotten worse with Debuchy in the side as both attack and leaves him more exposed. With Danny he was the only one going forward so wasn't exposed as much.

As for Dummett. We could give him 100PL matches for all I care, he will never be a PL top half left-back. I actually don't think he'll ever be a good PL player.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jill on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 08:53:25 am
Set pieces. :anguish:

This feels somewhat forced because he's an academy lad. It's painfully obvious Haïdara should be playing.

:thup: I don't think Haidara is a world beater or anything, but I prefer him to Dummett.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 09:28:04 am

Anyone still reckon santon contributed nothing going forward? At least he could run with a ball, Dummett is hopeless. He will prob have a decent championship career but that's it for him. Bad first touch, slow, positionally bad, can't cross, can't pass. Awful

Santon needed a kick up his ass, I like Santon as much as the next guy, but he was clearly need a rest, and some pressure to play like he has before for us. I think his form has gotten worse with Debuchy in the side as both attack and leaves him more exposed. With Danny he was the only one going forward so wasn't exposed as much.

As for Dummett. We could give him 100PL matches for all I care, he will never be a PL top half left-back. I actually don't think he'll ever be a good PL player.

I'd agree with that but I'd always said people underrated his contribution offensively because he's a very good ball carrier. At least he got crosses in, varying quality, but last night when Dummett tried to beat the full back it was laughably bad. Never tried it again after 
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 09:40:13 am
Paul Dummett is basically Paul Huntington.  In disguise.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 09:41:56 am
Short memory.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:43:00 pm
Aye, and I suppose Armstrong is the next Chopra already too?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ToonTastic on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:46:41 pm
I believe Dummett's problem at the minute is he's being asked to do an awful lot for a young player just starting out in the PL. He's being asked to not just be a steady left back against World Class players, he's also then being asked to bomb forward and support Gouf who doesn't even overlap him making Dummett then the furthest man up field. He then has to track back again without much support. And to add to that he's being asked to take our set pieces which is awful at.
Get the lad to focus on being a good left back and getting his positioning and mind sorted against World Class players and progress to the rest later surely ?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dinho lad on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:46:58 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

Exactly right.

Same applies for Haidara though.

No. He had a bad game against Liverpool.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:49:06 pm
Aye, and I suppose Armstrong is the next Chopra already too?

I think people are just speaking the way they see it. Armstrong has gotten what 8minutes on the pitch? Hard to draw conclusions from that. Dummett has played over 800minutes in the PL and not once looked comfortable as a player. People will say he looked decent against City which I disagree and he got a goal against Liverpool, but does that make David Edgar a decent player as well since he scored against Man U and Liverpool?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:51:39 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:12:41 pm
Dummett was our best performer at City, he stopped the supply from Navas time and time again.

As for him "never looking comfortable", that's also untrue. He's had a few shaky games but has coped reasonably well in most.

Yesterday was a bad night for him, but he was no worse than the other three defenders on the pitch. MYM in particular was absolutely awful on the ball; and yet the rookie is being dug out for it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:14:29 pm
That's what I mean. He was the best out of the 4 last night but the other 3 have largely got a pass.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: reefatoon on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:19:34 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:19:56 pm
Not going off one game ffs, can see he's not cut out for this and will be knocking about in the lower leagues for years to come.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:20:45 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:21:37 pm
There's no way anyone else has gotten a pass. Our whole defense was shambles last night, difference is I've seen Colo be one of the best in the league, I've seen Willo have ok games (I'm no fan of his either and don't think he's good enough to be even a backup in the PL) and MBiwa was playing out of position.

Dummett is a limited footballer who won't cut it, I'm calling it the way I see it. If you don't agree, then fair enough, it's your opinion. I'm pretty confident that in 6-8 years time we'll see Haidara and Santon having far better careers than Dummett. That's just my opinion, I'd be glad to be proven wrong and see him playing for the national team and becoming the next Baines and I'll eat my words if that happens.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: reefatoon on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:21:38 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.

Disgusting attitude to have.  I normally just keep on clapping and then ask him for a wave.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NewJerseyMag on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:22:32 pm
That's what I mean. He was the best out of the 4 last night but the other 3 have largely got a pass.

He's young and has plenty of time to improve. He didn't have the best game last night but he was up against a quality winger.

Give the lad time: yet more knee jerk reactions on here: no surprise there.

People are saying throw in the youngsters and then immediately expect them to be top PL players. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:24:47 pm
When he's playing, i'm happy to support the lad, soon as he's off the pitch though, i'm just as happy to slag him off to the championship.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: reefatoon on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:25:31 pm
When he's playing, i'm happy to support the lad, soon as he's off the pitch though, i'm just as happy to slag him off to the championship.

Ahh, you are one of those 90 minute fans eh. Part timer.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dinho lad on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:31:13 pm
He's atrocious and will never make it here.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:33:01 pm
Dummett was our best performer at City, he stopped the supply from Navas time and time again.

As for him "never looking comfortable", that's also untrue. He's had a few shaky games but has coped reasonably well in most.

Yesterday was a bad night for him, but he was no worse than the other three defenders on the pitch. MYM in particular was absolutely awful on the ball; and yet the rookie is being dug out for it.
The difference being that Dummett never looks good on the ball at all, whereas Mbiwa usually does.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:34:42 pm
That's what I mean. He was the best out of the 4 last night but the other 3 have largely got a pass.

He's young and has plenty of time to improve. He didn't have the best game last night but he was up against a quality winger.

Give the lad time: yet more knee jerk reactions on here: no surprise there.

People are saying throw in the youngsters and then immediately expect them to be top PL players. Ridiculous.

I am not sure people are saying that at all.  People are saying that we have two young left backs who are both better than Dummett and should be playing instead.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 02:53:28 pm
That's what I mean. He was the best out of the 4 last night but the other 3 have largely got a pass.

He's young and has plenty of time to improve. He didn't have the best game last night but he was up against a quality winger.

Give the lad time: yet more knee jerk reactions on here: no surprise there.

People are saying throw in the youngsters and then immediately expect them to be top PL players. Ridiculous.

I am not sure people are saying that at all.  People are saying that we have two young left backs who are both better than Dummett and should be playing instead.

Pretty much this.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 03:23:39 pm
Everyone knows Santon's better. There's absolutely nowt to suggest Haidara is.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 03:55:26 pm
Everyone knows Santon's better. There's absolutely nowt to suggest Haidara is.

:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 09:57:58 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.

Jesus f***ing wept.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ndegwa on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 10:02:14 pm
Like that lad but never rated him, looks one-paced and a bit s*** technically. Doesn't exactly put in a great cross either. Haidara for me, granted we've not seen a lot of him but would rather try him over someone who probably won't make it consistently at this level
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dokko on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 10:03:17 pm
Feel a bit sorry for him really. Seems to have been nominated as our main (only) attacking threat down the left despite being a young rather limited defender.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 11:14:23 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.

Jesus f***ing wept.

Keyboard warrior.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Rocker on Friday 28 March 2014, 03:41:22 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.

Jesus f***ing wept.
:thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Friday 28 March 2014, 04:57:08 pm
Some posters are just very keen to get in first with an extreme opinion so that they can then say how right they were if it happens.

Dummett is learning his trade in a team that's already gone on holiday. Let's give him a bit more than 10 games, aye? It's okay if he turns out to be nothing more than steady, he doesn't have to be a world beater.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NEEJ on Friday 28 March 2014, 04:59:16 pm
I don't think he's good enough, but I'm happy for him to get a run in the side until the end of the season. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I can't see it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Friday 28 March 2014, 05:06:16 pm
Some posters are just very keen to get in first with an extreme opinion so that they can then say how right they were if it happens.

Dummett is learning his trade in a team that's already gone on holiday. Let's give him a bit more than 10 games, aye? It's okay if he turns out to be nothing more than steady, he doesn't have to be a world beater.

What an absolute load of s*** that first sentence.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alijmitchell on Friday 28 March 2014, 05:52:23 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.

Jesus f***ing wept.
:thup:


Christ, did Dummett p*ss on your cornflakes Brett?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Friday 28 March 2014, 08:11:00 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.

Jesus f***ing wept.
:thup:


Christ, did Dummett p*ss on your cornflakes Brett?

Everyone except Pardew do.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Friday 28 March 2014, 08:15:40 pm
Some posters are just very keen to get in first with an extreme opinion so that they can then say how right they were if it happens.

Dummett is learning his trade in a team that's already gone on holiday. Let's give him a bit more than 10 games, aye? It's okay if he turns out to be nothing more than steady, he doesn't have to be a world beater.

Who knows he might be the new

(http://www.thefa.com/~/media/images/thefaportal/pillars/thefa/general/robbie-elliott-newcastle.ashx?w=620&h=349&c=facupgallery&as=1)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Friday 28 March 2014, 08:42:09 pm
Eh? Elliot was quality here first time round.

Dummett is nowhere near as good at the same age as Elliot was. Dalglish should never have sold him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 28 March 2014, 08:44:18 pm
Eh? Elliot was quality here first time round.

Dummett is nowhere near as good at the same age as Elliot was. Dalglish should never have sold him.

I'm sure it was the board that sold Elliott.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Friday 28 March 2014, 08:44:34 pm
Some posters are just very keen to get in first with an extreme opinion so that they can then say how right they were if it happens.

Dummett is learning his trade in a team that's already gone on holiday. Let's give him a bit more than 10 games, aye? It's okay if he turns out to be nothing more than steady, he doesn't have to be a world beater.

:thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Saturday 29 March 2014, 01:54:01 pm
We shouldn't be too hard on Dummett, he could turn out to be a decent player for us.  At this time he's learning the game and limited,  he's probably due some time away from the starting 11.

You've got to be f***ing kidding, right?  :scared:



Hate this kind of attitude.  Instead of getting behind him all the time, typing up nasties about him is just not on. If he comes and reads this, his confidence will be shot.  Hate fans like this.
Hope his confidence is shot and he never plays again for us, good thing. Haidara pls.

Jesus f***ing wept.
:thup:


Christ, did Dummett p*ss on your cornflakes Brett?

Everyone except Pardew do.

No it just frustrates me when we've got a far better player in Haidara who has looked a class above reserve level, was first one picked to come on for Santon, now has disappeared. We are left with such uninspiring displays from Dummet and his s*** set pieces. Santon or Haidara need to get back in ASAP.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:11:30 pm
Haidara  :smug:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Rocker on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:11:58 pm
Haidara  :smug:

Sickening, yee.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:12:48 pm

Haidara  :smug:

:lol:  I'm happy about it too tbh. (Haidara probably have a shocker now)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:16:07 pm
Haidara  :smug:

Sickening, yee.

My estimations of today have increased slightly now we aren't playing with 10 men from the start. Finally have our highly promising left back playing, not the Welsh dud!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mick on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:19:50 pm


My estimations of today have increased slightly now we aren't playing with 10 men from the start. Finally have our highly promising left back playing, not the Welsh dud!

The cockney dud picked the welsh dud.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Rocker on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:28:23 pm
It's not your opinion of the player which bothers me, it's the manner in which you go about expressing your opinion which doesn't sit well with me.

It's a witch-hunt, something you should know plently about in your persistent defence of Pardew.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:28:38 pm

Haidara  :smug:

:lol:  I'm happy about it too tbh. (Haidara probably have a shocker now)

Same as Dummett they both need time, it will be typical but still depressing if Haidara is labelled as s*** etc.. after about 5 games.

They are relatively young lads with little game time, some posters (not you) really don't learn. 
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:34:04 pm


My estimations of today have increased slightly now we aren't playing with 10 men from the start. Finally have our highly promising left back playing, not the Welsh dud!

The cockney dud picked the welsh dud.

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1373407/alan-partridge-shrug-o.gif) (http://gifsoup.com/view/1373407/alan-partridge-shrug.html)  (http://gifsoup.com)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mick on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:36:19 pm


My estimations of today have increased slightly now we aren't playing with 10 men from the start. Finally have our highly promising left back playing, not the Welsh dud!

The cockney dud picked the welsh dud.

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1373407/alan-partridge-shrug-o.gif) (http://gifsoup.com/view/1373407/alan-partridge-shrug.html)
 (http://gifsoup.com)

I'm not surprised you fail to see any irony in the crap you post.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Saturday 29 March 2014, 02:42:32 pm
It's not your opinion of the player which bothers me, it's the manner in which you go about expressing your opinion which doesn't sit well with me.

It's a witch-hunt, something you should know plently about in your persistent defence of Pardew.

 :lol: Reef was looking to get me to bite for criticising fans, I threw this at him to see what his reaction would be. I do think Dummett is s*** and is clear 3rd best left back at the club, I don't hate the lad and I don't really want his confidence shot :lol: He's a young lad I don't think will make it here and will be in the championship soon enough but happy for him to prove me wrong  :)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 30 March 2014, 02:32:50 am
How was Haidara today then? Genuine question, I thankfully worked through the match and also MoTD so I've seen nothing of this latest omnishambles.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mick on Sunday 30 March 2014, 03:12:08 am
How was Haidara today then? Genuine question, I thankfully worked through the match and also MoTD so I've seen nothing of this latest omnishambles.
No improvement on Dummett.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Sunday 30 March 2014, 10:39:39 am
Improvement going forward in the sense that he could actually take on his man without looking like an utter chump. Was poor at the back, as was everyone. Still worth persevering with, much better athlete and footballer who will learn the defensive ropes in time.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 30 March 2014, 10:49:28 am
Yeah, Haidara has the attributes to be a good Premier League player, I don't think Dummett has. In terms of where they are now I think there's little in it, but I'd go with Haidara because there's something to work with.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 31 March 2014, 09:28:12 am
Haidara's certainly better at overlapping and he'll become a threat in time. I see nothing in him that suggests he's a defender, though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Monday 31 March 2014, 09:46:49 am
Haidara's certainly better at overlapping and he'll become a threat in time. I see nothing in him that suggests he's a defender, though.

The last part could easily be said about everyone of our defenders lately. We have to stick with Haidara for now, he at least offers something, Dummett doesn't.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 31 March 2014, 09:51:36 am
Santon strolls back into LB, man. He's streets ahead of both.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Monday 31 March 2014, 10:27:26 am
Santon strolls back into LB, man. He's streets ahead of both.

I thought Santon was dead. I absolutely agree though, I'd have Santon ahead of anyone there.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 31 March 2014, 10:43:01 am

Santon strolls back into LB, man. He's streets ahead of both.

:thup: I've still got hope for santon, provided he gets the right guidance of course
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 31 March 2014, 10:51:24 am
Makes a rick a game and offers nowt going forward. 'Streets ahead'? :yao:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 20 April 2014, 12:59:56 pm
He has now played a few games for us. It's harsh to judge (especially considering the team he has come in to) but so far don't rate him as a defender or going forward. It would be for the best for both NUFC and Dummett if he was loaned out to a Championship club for next season. Having said that, Haidara hasn't really looked any better and Santon's form is erratic. NUFC almost certainly won't buy an experienced left back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Northerngimp on Sunday 20 April 2014, 01:03:33 pm
A young lad, trying to build a career playing in a f***ing GOD AWFUL PARDEW SIDE with nothing going for it.

I'll withhold my judgement on him just yet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mick on Sunday 20 April 2014, 01:10:27 pm
A young lad, trying to build a career playing in a f***ing GOD AWFUL PARDEW SIDE with nothing going for it.

I'll withhold my judgement on him just yet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 20 April 2014, 01:13:20 pm
I'll withhold my judgement on him just yet.
That's why I want him loaned out, hopefully to a Championship side. Mike Ashley's squad size policies for NUFC mean young players are used to plug the gaps. They either play in the reserves, sit on the bench or get thrown in at the deep end. It isn't good for their development.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 22 May 2014, 04:46:13 pm
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-uniteds-paul-dummett-threatened-7159883

Bit harsh like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: loki679 on Thursday 22 May 2014, 04:48:09 pm
He's 23 in september, not exactly a kid anymore.  I don't think he's good enough or going to be good enough for this level.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: GeordieT on Thursday 22 May 2014, 04:49:50 pm
Wiki:

Quote
Dummett was sent off with a straight red after a rough foul to the Liverpool FC striker Luis Suarez, who did fly in the sky, in the last game of the 2013/2014 Premier League. Newcastle was defeated 2-1 [15] . This foul affects nearly participation Liverpool player at the World Cup Brazil 2014. [16]

 :lol:

Most of these tweets are hilarious, bad google translate jobs.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Thursday 22 May 2014, 05:02:40 pm
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-uniteds-paul-dummett-threatened-7159883

Bit harsh like.

Hi Paul Dummett, from Uruguay we hope someday u come here to have a nice time w/ friends. We have things for you, like a bullet in the head.

Slightly over the top :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Thursday 22 May 2014, 05:05:13 pm
Cadena Chori said: "We kill you."

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Thursday 22 May 2014, 05:08:18 pm
Wiki:

Quote
Dummett was sent off with a straight red after a rough foul to the Liverpool FC striker Luis Suarez, who did fly in the sky, in the last game of the 2013/2014 Premier League. Newcastle was defeated 2-1 [15] . This foul affects nearly participation Liverpool player at the World Cup Brazil 2014. [16]

 :lol:

Most of these tweets are hilarious, bad google translate jobs.

Fly in the sky. :lol: Needs a gif special.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 22 May 2014, 05:11:43 pm
Worra bunch of c***s.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 22 May 2014, 05:17:09 pm
Red was overturned as well wasn't it?  :lol:

Hope he's out and they finish bottom.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 22 May 2014, 05:19:38 pm
Cadena Chori said: "We kill you."

 :lol: :lol:

I spent far too long laughing at this. Reminded me of 'Nah, no way...nah'
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: antz1uk on Thursday 22 May 2014, 05:58:25 pm
Red was overturned as well wasn't it?  :lol:

Hope he's out and they finish bottom.

it wan't that tackle was it? not that i'm one bit arsed, it happens, it's football, f*** suarez and f*** uruguay
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nemtizz on Thursday 22 May 2014, 07:20:34 pm
Nacho Pla ‏@NachitoPla  29m
@PaulDummett  cat, you piece of simulater. HOT DOG. You are a milk addicted

Best one yet. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 22 May 2014, 07:46:03 pm
Nacho Pla ‏@NachitoPla  29m
@PaulDummett  cat, you piece of simulater. HOT DOG. You are a milk addicted

Best one yet. :lol:

Sounds like lyrics :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Revolution Number 9 on Thursday 22 May 2014, 07:47:48 pm
Nacho Pla ‏@NachitoPla  29m
@PaulDummett  cat, you piece of simulater. HOT DOG. You are a milk addicted

Best one yet. :lol:
:lol: Fantastic. It's like scum bidet and the head piano all over again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 22 May 2014, 07:48:00 pm
Nacho Pla ‏@NachitoPla  29m
@PaulDummett  cat, you piece of simulater. HOT DOG. You are a milk addicted. Intergalactic christ.

Best one yet. :lol:

Sounds like lyrics :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 22 May 2014, 07:54:27 pm
Nacho Pla ‏@NachitoPla  29m
@PaulDummett  cat, you piece of simulater. HOT DOG. You are a milk addicted

Best one yet. :lol:
:lol: Fantastic. It's like scum bidet and the head piano all over again.
:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BlueStar on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:15:28 pm
Jose ‏@jose_andrada 6m
@PaulDummett Suarez You hurt, I apologized. If not, you will fall the curse of all the people of Uruguay

 Nicolás Colombo ‏@Nicolombo 7m
@PaulDummett this is peñarol head. This band no eat nothing. Asi esta bien

Rubens Gonzalez ‏@ElPiti1981 10m
@PaulDummett we are waiting your apologies dirty men!!!!!! anyway, luis suarez will be the best player of fifa world cup!!!!!

De Jong ‏@Gazz0la 29m
@PaulDummett CONCHA OF YOUR MUM AND ALL YOUR PARIENTES

Gabriel ‏@el_tio1 30m
@PaulDummett you guamping boy, dick sucker you and your mother swallows milk every time

Marcelo C ‏@Chiter21 17m
@PaulDummett you are a looser, donkey and bad milk!! How much was the FA commanded? Enough to buy a LED to enjoy the WC2014? #rubbishplayer


What's their problem with milk?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:21:01 pm
Pretty sure you can't watch the WC with an LED.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Atticus on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:21:49 pm
Mental kernts.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BONTEMPI on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:24:24 pm
Donkey f***ers.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:26:52 pm
(http://i60.tinypic.com/ndmqdx.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Numbers on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:28:39 pm
f***ing hell  :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:35:10 pm
Best laugh of the week, my word. Love World Cup years.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Carlito on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:38:18 pm
(http://i4.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article7159871.ece/alternates/s615/JS36397702.jpg)

:spit:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BlueStar on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:38:50 pm
Nacho Pla ‏@NachitoPla  29m
@PaulDummett  cat, you piece of simulater. HOT DOG. You are a milk addicted. Intergalactic christ.

Best one yet. :lol:

Sounds like lyrics :lol:

Almost missed this addition :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:47:45 pm
God damn this is hillarious :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:47:58 pm
@lee_ryder: Uruguay FA release statement stating Suarez "Received a direct blow to his left knee" in #lfc v #nufc game. No word from #nufc yet
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BONTEMPI on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:51:49 pm
Need to let everyone in Uruguay know that Pardew gave orders to do it. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Thursday 22 May 2014, 08:52:04 pm
Paul Dummett ‏@PaulDummett 3m
Heheheheh. Look at this country. U R Gay. Heheheheheh.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BlueStar on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:02:36 pm
 Chacal Spencer ‏@ChacalLove 5m
Hi @PaulDummett ! I know you are a very bad football player but a good boy. The uruguayan people are africans. You smoke. Descomplicating

Paulo Duarte ‏@paulocndef 17m
You broke Luis suarez. Worthy finished prisioners @PaulDummett

Agustin Suparregui ‏@Asuparregui10 43m
@PaulDummett f***ing s***, motherfucker, you're so f***ing, I hope you die, Uruguay has Stamina
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:22:41 pm
:lol:

You can actually hear the brain fart on the last tweet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TheGuv on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:32:51 pm
Hang on. Is Suarez actually injured?! :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: GeordieT on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:34:15 pm
This one from earlier is my favourite:

Pablo ‏@trikinikiii  5h
Hi @PaulDummett you and England will eat all the potato in the world cup @cadenachori
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Sifu on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:43:36 pm
This will cement Dummett's cult hero status now...haha. If his tackle has actually knacked Suarez...hahaha. This is funny.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:48:56 pm
I bet Phil Dowd is tweeting most of these via throwaway accounts.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: High Five o/ on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:50:57 pm
Lets not forget Uruguay has stamina. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:52:41 pm
@_miguelroco: @PaulDummett
 I invite you to visit my country, If you mention that there was no bad intention we will accept it.
 
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:53:13 pm
I bet Phil Dowd is tweeting most of these via throwaway accounts.

:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:55:32 pm
Should get a statue at SJP for services to football and proving Karma does exist. Fingers crossed hare teeth does indeed miss the WC.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:55:38 pm
@_miguelroco: @PaulDummett
 I invite you to visit my country, If you mention that there was no bad intention we will accept it.
 

Olive branch.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: David Icke - Son of God on Thursday 22 May 2014, 09:57:38 pm
The c***s haven't apologised for Nacho Gonzalez yet. They can f*** right off.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:03:15 pm
Should get a statue at SJP for services to football and proving Karma does exist. Fingers crossed hare teeth does indeed miss the WC.

This is what makes this even funnier, he's almost certain to be fit it was just minor... from what i read he'll be fully fit in 2 weeks and the England game is in a months time.

If he misses anything it will be the opener against Costa Rica but that's it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:05:59 pm
Pfff, it was a nothing clumsy challenge anyway. If Suarez got injured in that incident, it's because he went down trying to get Dummett sent off as per usual.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:09:22 pm
Pfff, it was a nothing clumsy challenge anyway. If Suarez got injured in that incident, it's because he went down trying to get Dummett sent off as per usual.

:lol: It was a clumsy late challenge, I didn't think it warranted a red either (was a yellow), but to say it was his diving attempt that caused the impact is absolutely ridiculous and you very much know so yourself.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:10:35 pm
I genuinely don't think he touched Suarez. And it's entirely feasible that throwing himself around could have caused an impact industry.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:16:08 pm
I genuinely don't think he touched Suarez. And it's entirely feasible that throwing himself around could have caused an impact industry.

You're surely taking the p*ss. Didn't touch Suarez? This forum at times, take off those black&white glasses ffs. It's quite a hard hit knee-to-knee hit. For me it's a yellow because it's a clumsy tackle, but if you're unable to see contact and think that he actually throws himself than you're deluded.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:17:04 pm
Pfff, it was a nothing clumsy challenge anyway. If Suarez got injured in that incident, it's because he went down trying to get Dummett sent off as per usual.

:lol: It was a clumsy late challenge, I didn't think it warranted a red either (was a yellow), but to say it was his diving attempt that caused the impact is absolutely ridiculous and you very much know so yourself.

I didn't say it was a "dive", Dummett went in clumsily and out of control; he was clearly fouled. I do however believe Suarez looked for the contact a little bit with his leg left trailing, then flung himself in the air while rolling over for dramatic effect. Maybe if he wasn't such a c*** and had tried to make a meal of it he wouldn't have got injured.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:18:57 pm
Pfff, it was a nothing clumsy challenge anyway. If Suarez got injured in that incident, it's because he went down trying to get Dummett sent off as per usual.

:lol: It was a clumsy late challenge, I didn't think it warranted a red either (was a yellow), but to say it was his diving attempt that caused the impact is absolutely ridiculous and you very much know so yourself.

I didn't say it was a "dive", Dummett went in clumsily and out of control; he was clearly fouled. I do however believe Suarez looked for the contact a little bit with his leg left trailing, then flung himself in the air while rolling over for dramatic effect. Maybe if he wasn't such a c*** and had tried to make a meal of it he wouldn't have got injured.

Suarez has no idea of where Dummett is, he misses the ball at first and then tries to get it as the ball is behind him. Your assumption is purely based on reputation, and there's no way that if oyu watched the foul again you'd think that. If you do, there's no further discussion as we won't agree :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:19:03 pm

I genuinely don't think he touched Suarez. And it's entirely feasible that throwing himself around could have caused an impact industry.

You're surely taking the p*ss. Didn't touch Suarez? This forum at times, take off those black&white glasses ffs. It's quite a hard hit knee-to-knee hit. For me it's a yellow because it's a clumsy tackle, but if you're unable to see contact and think that he actually throws himself than you're deluded.

:lol: I think dummett's s*** but I watched the game. He f***ing barely touched him if he did. He 100% three himself in the air. I'm not deluded, pipe down chief
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:19:53 pm

(http://i4.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article7159871.ece/alternates/s615/JS36397702.jpg)

:spit:

FFS man.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:22:16 pm
Alright, while I'm watching the clip as we type, you're taking a picture as evidence while also trying to remember the contact. Tons of clip around the internet, if you need help try to use a search engine.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:22:23 pm
(http://thepremierleagueowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-13-at-19.38.27.png)

http://thepremierleagueowl.com/analysing-the-the-fas-decision-to-rescind-the-red-card-for-newcastles-paul-dummett/

Lunged himself? No. Studs high? No. Knees touch? Yes. Suarez unaware of contact before it happens? No.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BlueStar on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:25:03 pm
Lets not forget Uruguay has stamina. :lol: :lol:

But no milk.  You are a bad milk.  HOT DOG.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:26:25 pm
(http://thepremierleagueowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-13-at-19.38.27.png)

http://thepremierleagueowl.com/analysing-the-the-fas-decision-to-rescind-the-red-card-for-newcastles-paul-dummett/

Lunged himself? No. Studs high? No. Knees touch? Yes. Suarez unaware of contact before it happens? No.

:lol:

Alright, get on with it, you haven't seen the clip recently so no point.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:28:04 pm

Alright, while I'm watching the clip as we type, you're taking a picture as evidence while also trying to remember the contact. Tons of clip around the internet, if you need help try to use a search engine.


I watched it at the time. Very slight contact then Suarez f***ing launched himself into the air. If you can't see that, then there is no help for you.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:30:59 pm

Alright, while I'm watching the clip as we type, you're taking a picture as evidence while also trying to remember the contact. Tons of clip around the internet, if you need help try to use a search engine.


I watched it at the time. Very slight contact then Suarez f***ing launched himself into the air. If you can't see that, then there is no help for you.

:thup: Fair enough, I wish you all luck with your elephants memory. Slight contact, so slight that the guy did his meniscus and might miss the World Cup.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Greg on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:31:49 pm
Just watched it again. It is barely even a foul, he plants his left leg and takes a swing at the ball with his right foot to clear the ball, but the balls hits Suarez on the heel and rebounds in the other direction and so it is an air-shot from Dummett. Just happens to have made knee to knee contact with Suarez as he planted his left foot.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:32:43 pm


Alright, while I'm watching the clip as we type, you're taking a picture as evidence while also trying to remember the contact. Tons of clip around the internet, if you need help try to use a search engine.


I watched it at the time. Very slight contact then Suarez f***ing launched himself into the air. If you can't see that, then there is no help for you.

:thup: Fair enough, I wish you all luck with your elephants memory. Slight contact, so slight that the guy did his meniscus and might miss the World Cup.

:lol: don't cry
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jericho on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:40:07 pm
Diego Gonzalez ‏@diegodelacurva  3h
@PaulDummett YOUR MOTHER IN THONG!

What an insult :D :D
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:42:01 pm
(http://thepremierleagueowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-13-at-19.38.27.png)

http://thepremierleagueowl.com/analysing-the-the-fas-decision-to-rescind-the-red-card-for-newcastles-paul-dummett/

Lunged himself? No. Studs high? No. Knees touch? Yes. Suarez unaware of contact before it happens? No.

:lol:

Alright, get on with it, you haven't seen the clip recently so no point.

I've re-watched it before my second post on the matter to verify my initial view. The thing that makes it look like a possible red is just the pace with which Dummett goes in, nothing else. It was clearly a foul as far as I am concerned, but that's not my point here. My point is that Suarez makes the most of it to get an opposition player sent off. That is not a judgement based on reputation, it's looking at the facts of the specific incident, which reaffirm the reputation. If that incident is the cause of his current injury it's not such a preposterous suggestion at all to suggest it might not have happened if he had attempted to "ride the challenge" to minimise the chance of an injury occurring.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:45:21 pm
One more for your enjoyment: (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Ubb38SGJzdU/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 22 May 2014, 10:51:34 pm
(http://thepremierleagueowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-13-at-19.38.27.png)

http://thepremierleagueowl.com/analysing-the-the-fas-decision-to-rescind-the-red-card-for-newcastles-paul-dummett/

Lunged himself? No. Studs high? No. Knees touch? Yes. Suarez unaware of contact before it happens? No.

:lol:

Alright, get on with it, you haven't seen the clip recently so no point.

I've re-watched it before my second post on the matter to verify my initial view. The thing that makes it look like a possible red is just the pace with which Dummett goes in, nothing else. It was clearly a foul as far as I am concerned, but that's not my point here. My point is that Suarez makes the most of it to get an opposition player sent off. That is not a judgement based on reputation, it's looking at the facts of the specific incident, which reaffirm the reputation. If that incident is the cause of his current injury it's not such a preposterous suggestion at all to suggest it might not have happened if he had attempted to "ride the challenge" to minimise the chance of an injury occurring.

I agree that it was never a yellow btw. I just think that he doesn't actually go looking for the foul, as he's looking for the ball. He doesn't have control for it, as for exaggeration it might have happened, I'm not 100% convinced that he throws himself into the air just to get Dummett off. I thinke veryone was surprised it was a red, it was just a lazy late challenge that warranted a yellow. I just think people judging Suarez on that are doing it based on reputation as there was contact and the spin in their does happen it that type of contact. Although I do get your point now, at the beginning I thought you meant that the knee injury was more likely to have resulted from him throwing himself into the air and injuring the knee when falling onto the grass which tbh seems impossible considering the way he fell onto the grass. I agree on most with you though :thup: I just think that it's impossible for him to seek the challenge when his eyes are purely on the ball then after contact if he throws himself or not is a much more 50/50 in my opinion. Reminds me of the Pepe challenge on Dani in the CL couple of seasons back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 22 May 2014, 11:01:33 pm
Aye, we're not too far apart then. In the end, it's just a clumsy foul that may or may not have been directly responsible in part or in full for Suarez' knee injury, that may or may not keep Suarez out of (part of) the World Cup. Quite why half of Uruguay seems fit to have a go at Dummett is beyond me; it's not like he's gone out and 'done' Suarez. Point of personal satisfaction is it couldn't have happened to a "better" person in my humble opinion, the amount of times he has f***ed over fellow professional football players with his antics.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Belfast Mags on Thursday 22 May 2014, 11:11:22 pm
 :lol: Just caught up on this

Look at all the s***s I don't give, f*** you Uruguay  :smug:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 22 May 2014, 11:19:34 pm
Needs a title change. Something like Paul Dummett: Uruguay's Most Wanted
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Thursday 22 May 2014, 11:25:42 pm
Diego Gonzalez ‏@diegodelacurva  3h
@PaulDummett YOUR MOTHER IN THONG!

What an insult :D :D
Foreign insults are awesome :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Neil on Friday 23 May 2014, 12:10:47 am
From personal experience,  you can damage your meniscus without much contact. Awkward footing, slightly excessive pressure ==> lovely pain.

Tune in tomorrow when I resolve the SARS virus.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: leffe186 on Friday 23 May 2014, 01:05:31 am
FWIW Flip, I don't think he actually goes looking for the foul, or specifically thinks "I'm going to get this guy a red", but he is clearly programmed to leap in the air and twist in agony when there's contact. It's what he does, it really is. Sure, we should look at each incident in isolation, but this "reputation" he has didn't develop in a vacuum.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Friday 23 May 2014, 07:15:34 am
Justice4Dummy.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: themanupstairs on Friday 23 May 2014, 07:42:48 am
Liverpool fans I've spoken to say he was injured in training. It's the uruguayan fa's statement that's got everyone's milk thongs in a hot dog bunch.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Sima on Friday 23 May 2014, 07:45:31 am
Howling at this like, such wrath for such an insufferable player

:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Friday 23 May 2014, 07:53:05 am
They weren't going to beat England anyways. 3rd place for URGAY.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Heake on Friday 23 May 2014, 08:12:40 am
one of them clowns under the Monument going to slash him with a pan pipe or something?

I bet he never slept a wink last night
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Friday 23 May 2014, 08:15:13 am
He never touched him, wasn't a foul, wasn't a red and wasn't a yellow.

Karma for the hand ball on the line in SA anyway and the times he dives and feigns injury.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Friday 23 May 2014, 08:18:18 am
one of them clowns under the Monument going to slash him with a pan pipe or something?

I bet he never slept a wink last night

Probably gonna feed him bad milk and hot dogs.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: biggs on Friday 23 May 2014, 08:32:28 am
Tweets are comedy gold
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Friday 23 May 2014, 08:54:20 am
FWIW Flip, I don't think he actually goes looking for the foul, or specifically thinks "I'm going to get this guy a red", but he is clearly programmed to leap in the air and twist in agony when there's contact. It's what he does, it really is. Sure, we should look at each incident in isolation, but this "reputation" he has didn't develop in a vacuum.

:thup:

Like I said, for me it's dubious but knowing him it's fully plausible. I just don't buy the fact that he searches for contact as he doesn't really see Dummett until less than a second before impact.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 23 May 2014, 10:13:33 am
(http://i60.tinypic.com/ndmqdx.jpg)

The milk thing is a way to say you're gay. Milk -> semen

Most other tweets don't make sense even to me when I try to back-translate them into Spanish :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Friday 23 May 2014, 10:16:08 am
Man society is just a mess  :lol:

This twitter thing, honestly. Just empowering a bunch of morons man.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Friday 23 May 2014, 11:17:56 am
Man society is just a mess  :lol:

This twitter thing, honestly. Just empowering a bunch of morons man.

you f***ing, we are  at all happy s***, you lonely vegetable boy!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Friday 23 May 2014, 11:37:26 am
(http://i60.tinypic.com/ndmqdx.jpg)

The milk thing is a way to say you're gay. Milk -> semen

Most other tweets don't make sense even to me when I try to back-translate them into Spanish :lol:

So bad milk = bad semen?  ???

And bad milk comes from the hot dog then?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 23 May 2014, 11:40:35 am
"Bad milk" is "mala leche" which means "foul mood" in Spanish, that's different.

Besides that, any suggestion that you like a lot of milk, you swallow milk, etc... means you like to suck dick. TBF is the kind of insult a 12 year old would use in Spain, but maybe it's different in Uruguay.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LRD on Friday 23 May 2014, 11:48:13 am
I see. Still no explanation for the hot dog though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 23 May 2014, 12:25:30 pm
"Bad milk" is "mala leche" which means "foul mood" in Spanish, that's different.

Besides that, any suggestion that you like a lot of milk, you swallow milk, etc... means you like to suck dick. TBF is the kind of insult a 12 year old would use in Spain, but maybe it's different in Uruguay.

Term of endearment over there I think.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 23 May 2014, 12:29:39 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: hoppaz on Friday 23 May 2014, 12:30:21 pm
I see. Still no explanation for the hot dog though.

Perhaps...

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Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: James on Friday 23 May 2014, 02:18:27 pm
Uruguay, u r a gay country.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Unbelievable! on Wednesday 4 June 2014, 09:16:36 pm
Just came on for his Wales NT senior debut
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 4 June 2014, 09:48:51 pm
What's Wales NT?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 4 June 2014, 09:56:57 pm
The Welsh National Team.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:23:20 pm
f***ing hate having to watch this abortion of a player pollute our shirt. Absolute dogshit.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:24:09 pm
:lol: Bizarre time to say it. He didn't set the world on fire today but his performance was totally adequate.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: duo on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:30:58 pm
:lol: Bizarre time to say it. He didn't set the world on fire today but his performance was totally adequate.
The trouble is he never exceeds that level.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:31:53 pm
He's s****, constantly had Colo or Anita covering him because he was constantly out of position. Always gets caught out when he does go forward because he has absolutely no pace to get back, that also effects him defensively because he can't keep up with any winger. He has two options everytime he has the ball; pass back to keeper or hoof it up the line. He's f***ing s**** and I genuinely hate him. Haidara is a better LB and should have been starting but this once again just highlights how inept Pardew is. Never stays on his feet when he should and always goes for the slide which just makes him look like an absolute mug like Nasri proved today. He's a liability in the side and I'd love to see him shipped to League Two where the useless c*** belongs.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:32:50 pm
He's s****, constantly had Colo or Anita covering him because he was constantly out of position. Always gets caught out when he does go forward because he has absolutely no pace to get back, that also effects him defensively because he can't keep up with any winger. He has two options everytime he has the ball; pass back to keeper or hoof it up the line. He's f***ing s**** and I genuinely hate him. Haidara is a better LB and should have been starting but this once again just highlights how inept Pardew is. Never stays on his feet when he should and always goes for the slide which just makes him look like an absolute mug like Nasri proved today. He's a liability in the side and I'd love to see him shipped to League Two where the useless c*** belongs.

I think I can live with an adequate LB, like. At least until Santon gets back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: axel on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:33:11 pm
Dummett is more solid defensively but overall Haidara is better. Hopefully we only used Dummett today because the opposition was Man City.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:34:01 pm
Dummett is more solid defensively but overall Haidara is better. Hopefully we only used Dummett today because the opposition was Man City.
He's not though, its like when Raylor was LB, always has to have another player babysitting him because he's too s*** to play his own position.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:34:41 pm
You know a player is bad on the ball when they make Mike Williamson look composed.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:36:41 pm
:lol: Bizarre time to say it. He didn't set the world on fire today but his performance was totally adequate.
The trouble is he never exceeds that level.

Neither does Haidara, or Santon about 5 or 6 times out of 10. Dummett's arguably the best defender out of the three, even if he's easily the worst with the ball and going forwards.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:36:55 pm
So very average, can't believe he got given a long term contract

Haidara is a much better footballer than him
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:38:26 pm
Going forward he is guaranteed to lose the ball. Every time. He made one good defensive challenge today that I can remember and he caused that situation by losing it. If Haidara isn't better defensively, which I don't agree with, he at least would lose it less often and hence wouldn't have to defend as much as Dummet does. Send him out on loan when Santon's back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:38:26 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:39:19 pm
You know a player is bad on the ball when they make Mike Williamson look composed.
Pardew's wet dream of a player. Won't try anything risky just hoofs it aimlessly. He's so s***, makes me so angry  :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:42:03 pm
The guy done nothing today, literally nothing. Colo was having to come along and sweep everything away in the first half, in the 2nd half Colback dropped deeper than he should in order to cover him. All our players did his job except for him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:44:32 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

He's better technically and physically and actually has potential but neither are good defenders at this point.

Until proven otherwise Santon is by far the best LB at the club.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:45:34 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

It's the thing that does my head in the most on this forum.

Santon's form was patchy and he's not pulled on a Newcastle shirt for five months or so, whilst Dummett has posted some decent, some shocking, some poor, but mostly adequate, just-par displays. And the sum of this is people lauding Haidara as some sort of left-back saviour, despite him showing absolutely nowt in our shirt. I could have put some canny crosses in versus 9 knackared Stoke players for frigs sake.

Dummett did okay today, 'senior pros' Gouffran and Sissoko were far worse than him and once again, he's being dug out and called s**** whilst everyone nails their colours to the Good Ship Haidara despite very little evidence to suggest he'll make it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:46:43 pm
He looks to be a very safety first, if in doubt, pass backwards, all graft, bang average, no real talent left back. He played alright, but I'd still play Haidara ahead of him because

1. He's a better footballer


That's it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:48:42 pm
Haidara is a better footballer, but he doesn't seem to be able to defend whatsoever and for that reason I wouldn't want him in the team. He's absolutely crying out for a season in the Championship.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:49:31 pm
Watching Dummett and Haidara, it's pretty clear Haidara has more about him. Dummett may be the more consistent defender at this point, but I have no doubt Haidara will be the better fullback, if given the chance.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:49:58 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

It's the thing that does my head in the most on this forum.

Santon's form was patchy and he's not pulled on a Newcastle shirt for five months or so, whilst Dummett has posted some decent, some shocking, some poor, but mostly adequate, just-par displays. And the sum of this is people lauding Haidara as some sort of left-back saviour, despite him showing absolutely nowt in our shirt. I could have put some canny crosses in versus 9 knackared Stoke players for frigs sake.

Dummett did okay today, 'senior pros' Gouffran and Sissoko were far worse than him and once again, he's being dug out and called s**** whilst everyone nails their colours to the Good Ship Haidara despite very little evidence to suggest he'll make it.

:thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:51:04 pm
No one is saying Haidara is a LB saviour ffs :lol:

Love a bit of hyperbole to drive home a point though, it's just he's better than Dummett and they are all we have at the moment.

Dummett has nothing, at least Haidara has shown flashes of ability, physical traits and pace in his limited game time.

I'd rather invest in said potential while Santon is out than play the Taylor of CBs who offers sod all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:51:24 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

He's far better at going forward and contributing to an attacking philosophy. If his sole remit was to sit back and defend he could probably do that as well but that's not the reason he was brought here I suspect.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:52:45 pm
If investing in potential is going to cost us goals down that side I'd rather not.

Well, given that I want Pardew out ASAP, I'd be happy for it to happen, but from the perspective of wanting us to win games, stick with the most solid defender till Santon gets back. Haidara should be out on loan the second that happens.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:53:35 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

I'm quite confused why you have written off Haidara based on the little we've seen of him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:53:36 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

If his sole remit was to sit back and defend he could probably do that

I'd love to know what you're basing that on. Apart from one match in the Europa League, he's looked shaky as f*** defensively IMO.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:54:38 pm
That's bollocks tbf. People are nailing Dummett unfairly, but I don't see anyone 'lauding Haidera' unless you mean that you think that thinking Haidera would offer more than a player that has had 'some decent, some poor, but mostly adequate, just par displays' as lauding.

All three of our left backs are s**** in their own way. Dummett's a better defender than Haidera but that's not to say that Dummett's good defensively, I personally just prefer Haidera because going forward he plays forward and I'll take any opportunity to watch attacking football in this shower of s*** team setup.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:54:46 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

I'm quite confused why you have written off Haidara based on the little we've seen of him.

I haven't. I've said in time with games on loan somewhere Haidara could be a good player.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:55:18 pm
If I had my way we'd get rid of Dummett, Haidara and Santon but that's not going to happen so I'd rather give Haidara his chance. Dummett's had his and is worse than s***, Santon is patchy as f*** can have some excellent games but can also be god awful. Haidara hasn't had a good chance in the side yet so we can't judge him yet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:57:22 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

I'm quite confused why you have written off Haidara based on the little we've seen of him.

I haven't. I've said in time with games on loan somewhere Haidara could be a good player.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:57:24 pm
our CBs cost us goals anyway, I'd say f*** it personally especially considering all our defenders cost us goals consistently.

Santon had and will continue to do so, Dummett same, Debuchy did and there's already question marks over our new RB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:57:59 pm
I'm quite confused at how many people seem to think Haidara's better because Dummett's only 'average' like. :lol:

It's the thing that does my head in the most on this forum.

Santon's form was patchy and he's not pulled on a Newcastle shirt for five months or so, whilst Dummett has posted some decent, some shocking, some poor, but mostly adequate, just-par displays. And the sum of this is people lauding Haidara as some sort of left-back saviour, despite him showing absolutely nowt in our shirt. I could have put some canny crosses in versus 9 knackared Stoke players for frigs sake.

Dummett did okay today, 'senior pros' Gouffran and Sissoko were far worse than him and once again, he's being dug out and called s**** whilst everyone nails their colours to the Good Ship Haidara despite very little evidence to suggest he'll make it.
when's these decent performances? I can only recall his debut against City away last season and maybe the Liverpool game when he scored. He's been consistently s*** for us and was a big part of the awful defence back end of last season. He constantly has a player holding his hand for him which is detrimental to the side as we have two players playing left back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 17 August 2014, 11:59:17 pm
That's bollocks tbf. People are nailing Dummett unfairly, but I don't see anyone 'lauding Haidera' unless you mean that you think that thinking Haidera would offer more than a player that has had 'some decent, some poor, but mostly adequate, just par displays' as lauding.

All three of our left backs are s**** in their own way. Dummett's a better defender than Haidera but that's not to say that Dummett's good defensively, I personally just prefer Haidera because going forward he plays forward and I'll take any opportunity to watch attacking football in this shower of s*** team setup.

Haidara is a great example of a player who seems to be rated higher and higher the more he doesn't play. I do think he could well be a good full-back for us, but he needs a loan somewhere first IMO, even if it's just for a couple of months.

I see what you mean with the second half of your post too, but the issue there is that in this set-up, that kind of attacking mindset totally doesn't work without the defensive nouse to go with it, knowing when to hold back and being able to get back in time etc. I'd like to see a more expansive attacking game as much as everyone else, but Haidara just doesn't fit into the side IMO.

Funnily enough, if we had a manager with any semblance of an attacking philosophy, I think he'd have played 20-30 games by now and we'd not be having this conversation.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Monday 18 August 2014, 12:14:04 am
No one is saying Haidara is a LB saviour ffs :lol:

Love a bit of hyperbole to drive home a point though, it's just he's better than Dummett and they are all we have at the moment.

Dummett has nothing, at least Haidara has shown flashes of ability, physical traits and pace in his limited game time.

I'd rather invest in said potential while Santon is out than play the Taylor of CBs who offers sod all.


:thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: duo on Monday 18 August 2014, 12:37:54 am
So very average, can't believe he got given a long term contract

Haidara is a much better footballer than him
Agreed.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: olliemort on Monday 18 August 2014, 08:54:32 am
Should look at getting enrique back, even on loan.
Haidara is poor defensively , dummett is just poor all round and santon has being awful for a year now
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 18 August 2014, 09:18:21 am
He's awful. Don't want him anywhere near the team. I'd sooner have Haidara, Anita, Colback or Mbiwa there rather than him. Not a footballer at all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Lotus on Monday 18 August 2014, 09:21:50 am
Anyone with an idea of what makes a footballer can see Dummett won't make it at this level.

Anyone with any perception at all can also see that Haidara could but for that to happen he has to a) have the right personality to make it and b) the right people around him to bring him forward.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Thursday 25 September 2014, 12:18:33 am
http://www.football365.com/crystal-palace/9487644/PARDEW-BACKS-RIVIERE
Quote
"Paul's a local lad and he's having to prove to the Newcastle public that he's good enough, it's hard for players to come through the academy these days," he said.

"Sadio gets a bit more glamour than Paul, but Paul does what it says on the tin.

"He's a tough tackler, good in the air, getting better going forward.

"How he's ended up in the middle of the goal at that time, I don't know."
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 25 September 2014, 12:19:54 am
http://www.football365.com/crystal-palace/9487644/PARDEW-BACKS-RIVIERE
Quote
"Paul's a local lad and he's having to prove to the Newcastle public that he's good enough, it's hard for players to come through the academy these days," he said.

"Sadio gets a bit more glamour than Paul, but Paul does what it says on the tin.

"He's a tough tackler, good in the air, getting better going forward.

"How he's ended up in the middle of the goal at that time, I don't know."

:anguish:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: junkhead on Thursday 25 September 2014, 12:21:42 am
The last line highlighting the alien concept of a player making a run in the box. Never know how that one happened!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Robbo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 12:33:46 am
http://www.football365.com/crystal-palace/9487644/PARDEW-BACKS-RIVIERE
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"Paul's a local lad and he's having to prove to the Newcastle public that he's good enough, it's hard for players to come through the academy these days," he said.

"Sadio gets a bit more glamour than Paul, but Paul does what it says on the tin.


"He's a tough tackler, good in the air, getting better going forward.

"How he's ended up in the middle of the goal at that time, I don't know."

What the f*** does that mean? Maybe if he was called Paul Shithoof
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gino14 on Thursday 25 September 2014, 12:34:21 am
Player ignores Pardew and result is positive.  Nothing could be more obvious.  It doesn't work with his 8-2-0 formation.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: toontownman on Thursday 25 September 2014, 01:20:44 am
http://www.football365.com/crystal-palace/9487644/PARDEW-BACKS-RIVIERE
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"Paul's a local lad and he's having to prove to the Newcastle public that he's good enough, it's hard for players to come through the academy these days," he said.

"Sadio gets a bit more glamour than Paul, but Paul does what it says on the tin.

"He's a tough tackler, good in the air, getting better going forward.

"How he's ended up in the middle of the goal at that time, I don't know."

Not least with the inept coaching set up and lack of chances to play for the first team or be allowed to elsewhere.

More complete bollocks about the being from the North, to help his case being a cockney in Newcastle too. Unaware it actually contradicts, if anything fans should give him an easier ride because he is local. Either way I guess the message is Newcastle Fans are too demanding and unrealistic.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: MickMack on Thursday 25 September 2014, 08:58:33 am
I know its only one goal
I know he runs with a kind of a hunchback
I know he's a bit cack.

Would it be naive of me to think maybe this guy could be transformed into a forward?
His movement in the box is impressive like, yeah i dont know if he could hold the ball up, work the channels in a front foot fashion etc, but rather than just let his career die out being a pretty sh*t leftback could there be 'hope' elsewhere?

Once Pards has f*cked off like, the horrific c*nt.
He could fall into a tiger enclosure for all i care.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Thursday 25 September 2014, 09:09:16 am
Pardew doesnt turn left backs into forwards. He turns everyone into left backs
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 25 September 2014, 09:15:36 am
You know a player is bad on the ball when they make Mike Williamson look composed.

:thup: This is all I think about when watching him, he's so god damn bad on the ball. It's like he's new to the sport in terms of controlling and passing a ball.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: John P on Thursday 25 September 2014, 09:23:56 am
I know its only one goal
I know he runs with a kind of a hunchback
I know he's a bit cack.

Would it be naive of me to think maybe this guy could be transformed into a forward?
His movement in the box is impressive like, yeah i dont know if he could hold the ball up, work the channels in a front foot fashion etc, but rather than just let his career die out being a pretty sh*t leftback could there be 'hope' elsewhere?

Once Pards has f*cked off like, the horrific c*nt.
He could fall into a tiger enclosure for all i care.

I actually can't think of a worse idea.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: thenige on Thursday 25 September 2014, 10:39:42 am
Fair play to the kid, he obviously bloody loved scoring and always seems to give everything he's got. So unbelievably one-footed mind, ridiculous how uncomfortable he looks when the ball's coming to his right foot.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 25 September 2014, 10:41:39 am
I know its only one goal
I know he runs with a kind of a hunchback
I know he's a bit cack.

Would it be naive of me to think maybe this guy could be transformed into a forward?
His movement in the box is impressive like, yeah i dont know if he could hold the ball up, work the channels in a front foot fashion etc, but rather than just let his career die out being a pretty sh*t leftback could there be 'hope' elsewhere?

Once Pards has f*cked off like, the horrific c*nt.
He could fall into a tiger enclosure for all i care.

I actually can't think of a worse idea.

Short of shoving a toothpick down my jap, I'm struggling too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: MickMack on Thursday 25 September 2014, 10:50:39 am
I know its only one goal
I know he runs with a kind of a hunchback
I know he's a bit cack.

Would it be naive of me to think maybe this guy could be transformed into a forward?
His movement in the box is impressive like, yeah i dont know if he could hold the ball up, work the channels in a front foot fashion etc, but rather than just let his career die out being a pretty sh*t leftback could there be 'hope' elsewhere?

Once Pards has f*cked off like, the horrific c*nt.
He could fall into a tiger enclosure for all i care.

I actually can't think of a worse idea.

Short of shoving a toothpick down my jap, I'm struggling too.

Could be the next Dean Saunders
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 25 September 2014, 10:51:32 am
http://www.football365.com/crystal-palace/9487644/PARDEW-BACKS-RIVIERE
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"Paul's a local lad and he's having to prove to the Newcastle public that he's good enough, it's hard for players to come through the academy these days," he said.

"Sadio gets a bit more glamour than Paul, but Paul does what it says on the tin.

"He's a tough tackler, good in the air, getting better going forward.

"How he's ended up in the middle of the goal at that time, I don't know."

What a f***ing c***. (Not you Dave :aww:)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: steve_69 on Thursday 25 September 2014, 10:51:45 am
http://www.football365.com/crystal-palace/9487644/PARDEW-BACKS-RIVIERE
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"Paul's a local lad and he's having to prove to the Newcastle public that he's good enough, it's hard for players to come through the academy these days," he said.

"Sadio gets a bit more glamour than Paul, but Paul does what it says on the tin.


"He's a tough tackler, good in the air, getting better going forward.

"How he's ended up in the middle of the goal at that time, I don't know."

What the f*** does that mean? Maybe if he was called Paul Shithoof

 :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 25 September 2014, 11:48:16 am
I hate him. I hate Pardew more though as Dummett wouldn't have scored last night if it wasn't for another impressive run forward by Haidara. That all get's forgotten by the king though as Sadio is all glamour and can't do the real jobs like "put in a hard tackle". Pardew at times makes himself sound like a sunday league coach.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 25 September 2014, 11:55:49 am
I hate him. I hate Pardew more though as Dummett wouldn't have scored last night if it wasn't for another impressive run forward by Haidara. That all get's forgotten by the king though as Sadio is all glamour and can't do the real jobs like "put in a hard tackle". Pardew at times makes himself sound like a sunday league coach.

I've played under better coaches than Pardew. Seriously.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 25 September 2014, 11:56:45 am
I hate him. I hate Pardew more though as Dummett wouldn't have scored last night if it wasn't for another impressive run forward by Haidara. That all get's forgotten by the king though as Sadio is all glamour and can't do the real jobs like "put in a hard tackle". Pardew at times makes himself sound like a sunday league coach.

Makes?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 25 September 2014, 12:04:27 pm
Haha fair point  :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 01:54:51 pm
I remember when i was slated on here for slagging Dummett off because we had Haidara. Seems like it's just the norm to slag Dummett off now, starting to feel a bit sorry for him :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mike on Thursday 25 September 2014, 01:57:25 pm
The last line highlighting the alien concept of a player making a run in the box. Never know how that one happened!

:lol: That's craaaaazy.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: AlanSkärare on Thursday 25 September 2014, 01:57:59 pm
When Pardew's gone, I'll immediately start doubting that he ever existed. That's how much of an unbelievable c*** he is.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 25 September 2014, 01:58:30 pm
I remember when i was slated on here for slagging Dummett off because we had Haidara. Seems like it's just the norm to slag Dummett off now, starting to feel a bit sorry for him :lol:

Nah he's gash, it's fair
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 01:59:42 pm
I remember when i was slated on here for slagging Dummett off because we had Haidara. Seems like it's just the norm to slag Dummett off now, starting to feel a bit sorry for him :lol:

Nah he's gash, it's fair

Aye, true. Carry on :aww:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mike on Thursday 25 September 2014, 02:00:14 pm
I remember when i was slated on here for slagging Dummett off because we had Haidara. Seems like it's just the norm to slag Dummett off now, starting to feel a bit sorry for him :lol:

Nah he's gash, it's fair

:lol: I honestly don't know how good anyone is in this regime. Everyone gets a fair shot when the devil leaves.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 25 September 2014, 02:27:18 pm
I hate him. I hate Pardew more though as Dummett wouldn't have scored last night if it wasn't for another impressive run forward by Haidara. That all get's forgotten by the king though as Sadio is all glamour and can't do the real jobs like "put in a hard tackle". Pardew at times makes himself sound like a sunday league coach.

Makes?
At times?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 25 September 2014, 02:32:15 pm
I hate him. I hate Pardew more though as Dummett wouldn't have scored last night if it wasn't for another impressive run forward by Haidara. That all get's forgotten by the king though as Sadio is all glamour and can't do the real jobs like "put in a hard tackle". Pardew at times makes himself sound like a sunday league coach.

Makes?
At times?

:lol: Either way.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 25 September 2014, 02:32:33 pm
Sunday?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mike on Thursday 25 September 2014, 02:46:29 pm
I hate him. I hate Pardew more though as Dummett wouldn't have scored last night if it wasn't for another impressive run forward by Haidara. That all get's forgotten by the king though as Sadio is all glamour and can't do the real jobs like "put in a hard tackle". Pardew at times makes himself sound like a sunday league coach.

Makes?
At times?
Coach?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Chris_R on Thursday 25 September 2014, 02:48:11 pm
Strikes me as a bit like a left-footed Danny Simpson. Only even worse on the ball and not hanging out the back of a talentless songstress.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Thursday 25 September 2014, 03:11:39 pm
If we are lucky enough to get a decent manager Dummett won't last long
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Thursday 25 September 2014, 03:22:02 pm
Dummet gets ball. Fear. Hoofs aimless ball down the line, or back pass to Krul

Repeat x 100
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Thursday 25 September 2014, 03:40:02 pm
Quote
He's a tough tackler, good in the air, getting better going forward.

He's defensively quite solid but absolute gash bringing the ball out of defence.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Thursday 25 September 2014, 03:55:42 pm
Solid like simpson was solid - ie , runs backwards alot
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Thursday 25 September 2014, 04:12:22 pm
He's probably better than Simpson IMO. Certainly directly culpable for fewer goals against.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 04:13:20 pm
The amount of time this manager absolutely s***s on our young / flair / creative / good-on-the-ball players is staggering.

And then he has the nerve to play the academy card, about how hard it is for our youngsters to come through the academy... whose fault is that, you c***? Who has regressed every young player we've had who's shown promise? Where the f*** is Bigi? Why was Gosling preferred in his place even when he was on his way out of the club and we kept losing all our games?

f*** YOU.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 04:43:51 pm
I know he's really poor on the ball but given that he's a 22-year-old who's only played 20 PL games, the fact he's pretty solid defensively and looks a threat in the air going forward should be a bit of a cause for optimism once Pardew pisses off.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 04:46:10 pm
As a backup and a doppelganger to Raylor and Simpson.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 04:47:02 pm
He's better than Danny Simpson, man. p*ss off.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: AlanSkärare on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:11:55 pm
Ryder's article on him from today is f***ing atrocious. It's an insult to humanity.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:26:33 pm
He's better than Danny Simpson, man. p*ss off.

Amazing attitude, without a shred of evidence. At this point in time, Simmo's had better games than Dummett. So, erm, no. I don't even think he has the potential to be better than Simmo.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:28:17 pm
At 22 he doesn't have the potential to be better than Danny Simpson. And to think I took this guff seriously for a minute.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:29:05 pm
He's like a talented Championship CH playing at fullback. Still pretty solid and handy in the air but you worry about his actual footballing ability. It's Pardew's mini-wet dream. All those CH's - that should bring stability in his mind.

I don't know about Dummett - just screams Championship. Not the most athletic, poor on the ball, not the most commanding or authorative. Can tackle and head a bit but Premiership defender? Don't know. Luckily for him he'll be given a fair crack at the whip as long as Pardiola is around.


What the f*** has happened to Santon? Dummett is technically a better defender than Davide but being able to use the ball helps us stave off the pressure a Dummett floater down the wing - always brings.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:30:02 pm
Danny Simpson's a poor man's Jermaine Jenas of a football player. Just nothing. It's not worth comparing him to anyone.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:32:08 pm
At 22 he doesn't have the potential to be better than Danny Simpson. And to think I took this guff seriously for a minute.

Fair enough with the age, I do keep forgetting how young he is. I'd rather see the same support given to "Sadio" from our boss, I think that's where my issue with Dummett comes in. Our manager has constantly preferred his type of player, and this just continues the frustration -- unfortunately for Dummett, who's caught in the firing line.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: oldtype on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:33:34 pm
He's fairly promising for his age and gets a lot of undue stick due to the perception that he's one of Pardew's "favorites." I do think his long-term position is centerback.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:35:07 pm
The manager doesn't half help himself (or his perceived "favourites") by coming out with retarded quotes like above.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:36:37 pm
Simpson was s***, Dummett is s***. Basically
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:42:05 pm
He's fairly promising for his age and gets a lot of undue stick due to the perception that he's one of Pardew's "favorites." I do think his long-term position is centerback.

He hasn't got any undue stick like. You would expect a 22 year old LB to at least look relatively comfortable with the ball at his foot. He got a six year contract for scoring a goal against Liverpool ffs.

He might be better as a CB but think he's too small for that and he hasn't shown any redeeming qualities so far apart from the two goals. Hope he gets better obviously but it's hard to see much potential in him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:44:55 pm
He's fairly promising for his age and gets a lot of undue stick due to the perception that he's one of Pardew's "favorites." I do think his long-term position is centerback.

That's not even half true man.

^^whatever Pata said :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BillClinton on Thursday 25 September 2014, 05:49:36 pm
He's fairly promising for his age and gets a lot of undue stick due to the perception that he's one of Pardew's "favorites." I do think his long-term position is centerback.

He hasn't got any undue stick like. You would expect a 22 year old LB to at least look relatively comfortable with the ball at his foot. He got a six year contract for scoring a goal against Liverpool ffs.

He might be better as a CB but think he's too small for that and he hasn't shown any redeeming qualities so far apart from the two goals. Hope he gets better obviously but it's hard to see much potential in him.

Yup. He's the definition of average - on a good day. I don't know what he brings to the table. The most you can expect from him is not f***ing up and popping up with the occasional goal. He's still young enough, so i hope he can prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gino14 on Thursday 25 September 2014, 06:26:35 pm
He doesn't look like a player with potential to me. Whenever someone has no real footballing ability it's not often that they become any good. Young defenders who become good are usually good footballers that look like they have a mistake in them until they mature. Gary Cahill looked like that at Bolton and now he's very solid at Chelsea. Dummet just looks like another clogger who can stick his foot in and hoof it and even then, he's not even great at those limited things.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 25 September 2014, 06:43:03 pm
He's dump like. Him scoring doesn't change much.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 07:01:11 pm
He might be better as a CB but think he's too small for that

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but he's about the same height as Coloccini, who you love, and naturally bigger than him too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 07:33:33 pm
One could argue it's almost as if his age is giving him a pass even though he's shown very little promise. 50 shades of Peter Ramage.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: oldtype on Thursday 25 September 2014, 07:45:15 pm
Perhaps we just have different expectations.  Not looking like a complete liability at Premiership level and popping in with the occasional goal isn't a bad place for a young defender to be.

He's never going to be world-class or anything, but he's hardly a worthless player.  He's already much, much better than Ramage was.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 07:46:07 pm
It is a little tenuous, like, suggesting that a young player is more likely to improve than an old one.

:bob:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 08:05:48 pm
Don't gemme wrong, as I've said the following sentence over and over again on this board over eons, I hope he improves and it's not like I'm totally writing him off.

I've now said the same sentence for the likes of Gosling, Obertan, Alan f***ing Smith, Geremi, etc.

I've been right surprisingly plenty of times :lol: It's more to do with the gashers we sign than anything else.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: oldtype on Thursday 25 September 2014, 08:11:08 pm
That's the nature of young players though, they might pan out but they might not too.  Risk is inherent. (Smith and Geremi were already ridiculously over the hill by the time they joined so they're not really relevant)

Of course everything that can go wrong does go wrong at this club, so young players do tend to fail more often than not. 

Dummett is a decent prospect and it's absurd to claim that you're already confident what level he'll be playing at ultimately.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 08:16:29 pm
Didn't claim anything about his level, but in agreement with the tempering of expectations you mentioned earlier. I'll be happy with him as a backup for a more ball-playing fullback (or better CB). He could be the next Willo in the future, who knows. Certainly not writing him off. All I said was he's shown very, very little promise, as a first-choice fullback. I don't even remember how he did as a CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 25 September 2014, 08:18:33 pm
Perhaps we just have different expectations.  Not looking like a complete liability at Premiership level and popping in with the occasional goal isn't a bad place for a young defender to be.

He's never going to be world-class or anything, but he's hardly a worthless player.  He's already much, much better than Ramage was.

BTW, Ramage looked bloody good in one game in which he made his name :) It escapes me now whom it was against.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: huss9 on Thursday 25 September 2014, 08:38:12 pm
Perhaps we just have different expectations.  Not looking like a complete liability at Premiership level and popping in with the occasional goal isn't a bad place for a young defender to be.

He's never going to be world-class or anything, but he's hardly a worthless player.  He's already much, much better than Ramage was.

BTW, Ramage looked bloody good in one game in which he made his name :) It escapes me now whom it was against.

Blyth Spartans?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Thursday 25 September 2014, 09:11:52 pm
He might be better as a CB but think he's too small for that

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but he's about the same height as Coloccini, who you love, and naturally bigger than him too.

Knew this was coming. :lol:

If you are a short CB you have to be good at other things. Colo quite clearly was(/is?) while Dummett is just a shorter Williamson.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 09:16:26 pm
Ah, right. :thup:

End of discussion, really.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gino14 on Thursday 25 September 2014, 10:57:07 pm
Is Dummet even young or is he just inexperienced? He's 22 isn't he and that's a bit worrying. He's not a 17 year old defender who is a bit slim and needs the years to grow into his physique.  So he's not going to suddenly become faster or a physical juggernaut. He's pretty much how he is and then it's all about his footballing ability. He can get better positionaly because you can be taught that. I'm not sure where the extra talent for passing and reading the game is going to come from. He could become solidly average in his position like when Williamson has a good game, but probably nothing more than that. Heading and tackling, which he's not bad at, are decent things for a defender to have in their locker at least.

That's why it's not just about Haidara having more 'glamour'. He probably isn't as solid as Dummet in some ways yet, but he looks to have so much more room to grow. His passing, crossing, dribbling and sense of how to avoid hoofing it all show more promise to me. He also looks to have more pace and ability to read a situation. He probably isn't quite as solid with his tackling or aerially yet. I'd be surprised if Dummet ended up the better of the two. It's got nothing to do with who has more glamour or who is a local lad, at least not for me.  Santon is still a lot better than both and he's far from being that good.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Thursday 25 September 2014, 11:35:54 pm
He might be better as a CB but think he's too small for that

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but he's about the same height as Coloccini, who you love, and naturally bigger than him too.

Coloccini wins a surprising amount of aerial battles considering his size and he's a decent footballer as well. If Dummett is better in all these departments would you suggest that he could do a better job at centre back than Colo?

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: junkhead on Thursday 25 September 2014, 11:39:18 pm
I'd argue that Shane Ferguson has shown more in a Newcastle shirt. He's not even registered in the PL squad, is he?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 September 2014, 11:51:50 pm
He might be better as a CB but think he's too small for that

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but he's about the same height as Coloccini, who you love, and naturally bigger than him too.

Coloccini wins a surprising amount of aerial battles considering his size and he's a decent footballer as well. If Dummett is better in all these departments would you suggest that he could do a better job at centre back than Colo?



No, because Dummett isn't a CB. Certainly not yet.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 25 September 2014, 11:55:27 pm
I want to see Dummett do well because there's f*** all familiarity at the club these days. Nice to see him score but I don't rate him. It's a shame we don't have the squad available to give him a proper loan somewhere.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 26 September 2014, 12:24:39 am
Not much need to be fair. He'll play well over 20 PL games for us this season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 26 September 2014, 02:06:27 am
I must say the amount of raw faith shown here by Ronaldo in Dummett is a breath of fresh air in the contrarian sense since Brett and Ian turned.

You do you, Ron.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 26 September 2014, 02:29:40 am
Wouldn't call it faith. I'd just like him to be given a little more of a chance than some are prepared to afford him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Friday 26 September 2014, 12:32:59 pm
Wouldn't call it faith. I'd just like him to be given a little more of a chance than some are prepared to afford him.

Haidara only got one game from you. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 26 September 2014, 12:35:21 pm
Wouldn't call it faith. I'd just like him to be given a little more of a chance than some are prepared to afford him.

Haidara only got one game from you. :lol:

I remember telling you not so long back that I think Haidara could be a good PL player in time. If you're too thick to remember it, don't blame me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Friday 26 September 2014, 12:38:14 pm
Wouldn't call it faith. I'd just like him to be given a little more of a chance than some are prepared to afford him.

Haidara only got one game from you. :lol:

I remember telling you not so long back that I think Haidara could be a good PL player in time. If you're too thick to remember it, don't blame me.

I wasn't serious like. I'm deeply sorry.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: timeEd32 on Monday 29 September 2014, 09:01:17 pm
For posterity, his greatest contribution to NUFC to date.

http://www.instagram.com/p/tirTvmG_Vu/ (http://www.instagram.com/p/tirTvmG_Vu/)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Monday 29 September 2014, 09:02:47 pm
I didn't even realise he was 23.  I assumed he was nearer 20.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 29 September 2014, 10:01:18 pm
You get relegated with players like this.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 10:02:35 pm
Of course you do. He's a defender who isn't very good going forward. Worst of the worst.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 29 September 2014, 10:22:55 pm
Of course you do. He's a defender who isn't very good going forward. Worst of the worst.
"Going forward" is a stupid term. He's simply not good enough a footballer. Average/decent from purely defending stand point but that's it. There's plenty of Championship defenders of that calibre. And he's no bairn either.

Never thought the day I would come miss bloody Santon so much. Dummett looks like a clogger.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TruToon94 on Monday 29 September 2014, 10:56:52 pm
Basically reminds of Paul Huntington which is not a good thing.

Seriously though Santon and Haidara are both LB who are solid in the PL (and yes Santon has been a disappointment but then again it is Pardew). This guy is the third choice who plays in the reserves and might make the bench once in a blue moon when players are out injured before we shuttle him off to the likes of Wigan and Leeds. The fact he is starting is diabolical.
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Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:02:38 pm
Haidara are both LB who are solid in the PL


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Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:05:43 pm
Ronny loving Dummett is just surreal. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:07:29 pm
I think Dummett's a poor footballer and a pretty solid defender who unreasonably gets far more criticism than players who are costing us goals every week because he's an easier target. It's pathetic, to be honest.
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Post by: Dr Colossus on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:23:24 pm
Him spinning around five times looking for the ball which was bouncing out around 20 yards away was f***ing hilarious though
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:26:10 pm
I think Dummett's a poor footballer and a pretty solid defender who unreasonably gets far more criticism than players who are costing us goals every week because he's an easier target. It's pathetic, to be honest.
Certainly Santon never got the stick for some of his shambolic displays. But the rest of the lads get it just as bad now.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:30:05 pm
I think Dummett's a poor footballer and a pretty solid defender who unreasonably gets far more criticism than players who are costing us goals every week because he's an easier target. It's pathetic, to be honest.

Who is not getting criticism apart from Janmaat possibly?

He's just so poor footballer and he's not going to get suddenly more comfortable with the ball. He's 23 already and he just simply shouldn't be starting for a club the size of NUFC. Haidara is still raw but everyone can see that he has the attributes to be a top quality LB in this league.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:31:26 pm
He's not even vaguely looked like a natural defender in any of his PL starts. It's selective criticism based on nationality and reputation.
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Post by: BrettNUFC on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:31:54 pm
Thought he was fairly solid (defensively) tonight actually, but that's all he will ever be. His ability on the ball and going forward is pathetic, made to look even worse when there's nobody ahead of him to help him out. Can't help but feel sorry for Haidara watching Dummett play knowing himself he has twice the ability on a football.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:32:38 pm
He's not even vaguely looked like a natural defender in any of his PL starts. It's selective criticism based on nationality and reputation.

:lol: Based on nationality and reputation. Are you serious?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:35:47 pm
He's not even vaguely looked like a natural defender in any of his PL starts. It's selective criticism based on nationality and reputation.

:lol: Based on nationality and reputation. Are you serious?

 :spit:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:36:04 pm
You've been defending the shoddiest captain in the league for months now who yet again tonight let us down and you come into this thread to have a go at f***ing Paul Dummett - the LB who couldn't help us equalise. You're ridiculous.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:37:29 pm
You've been defending the shoddiest captain in the league for months now who yet again tonight let us down and you come into this thread to have a go at f***ing Paul Dummett - the LB who couldn't help us equalise. You're ridiculous.

I think your criticism is based on my nationality and reputation.
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Post by: BrettNUFC on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:38:19 pm
You've been defending the shoddiest captain in the league for months now who yet again tonight let us down and you come into this thread to have a go at f***ing Paul Dummett - the LB who couldn't help us equalise. You're ridiculous.

I think your criticism is based on my nationality and reputation.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:40:12 pm
Modern full backs need to be able to attack and defend. He is far too uncomfortable on the ball to be a top level full back and is an awful attacker. Haidara has that ability on the ball and has far more potential both offensively and defensively.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:40:41 pm
You've been defending the shoddiest captain in the league for months now who yet again tonight let us down and you come into this thread to have a go at f***ing Paul Dummett - the LB who couldn't help us equalise. You're ridiculous.

I think your criticism is based on my nationality and reputation.

Nah, you and a few others are the only ones stupid enough to blame a 23-year-old LB for the 32-year-old captain's shortcomings. Even Pardew would be proud of that scapegoating.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:41:51 pm
You've been defending the shoddiest captain in the league for months now who yet again tonight let us down and you come into this thread to have a go at f***ing Paul Dummett - the LB who couldn't help us equalise. You're ridiculous.

I think your criticism is based on my nationality and reputation.

Nah, you and a few others are the only ones stupid enough to blame a 23-year-old LB for the 32-year-old captain's shortcomings. Even Pardew would be proud of that scapegoating.
The 32 year old who spends a lot of the game covering for the 23 year olds laziness to get back into position after going forward.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:43:06 pm
Aye, the one who costs us goals every game and gets away with it for being 'good on the ball, unlike that dummett lol'.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:44:06 pm
Dummett's alright, I can see him toiling up and down the flanks for a Championship team no bother at all. He's just not a Premier League fullback.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: a random player who doesn't even play for us any more on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:44:32 pm
Dummett is terrible.

Coloccini has also been terrible for a while now, but will always be a much better player than Dummett.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:45:11 pm
Coloccini plays CB and LB when Dummett is on the pitch. Coloccini has his short comings and should have been replaced by MYM but it's not his fault Dummett has no positional sense.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:45:18 pm
You've been defending the shoddiest captain in the league for months now who yet again tonight let us down and you come into this thread to have a go at f***ing Paul Dummett - the LB who couldn't help us equalise. You're ridiculous.

I think your criticism is based on my nationality and reputation.

Nah, you and a few others are the only ones stupid enough to blame a 23-year-old LB for the 32-year-old captain's shortcomings. Even Pardew would be proud of that scapegoating.

I remember telling you not so long back that I haven't defended Coloccini in the past few weeks. If you're too thick to remember it, don't blame me.

Also, where the f*** have I blamed Dummett for Coloccini's shortcomings?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:46:15 pm
Why's he the one getting criticised? He's the last of the back 4 that should be criticised tonight.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:47:11 pm
I haven't criticised his today's performance once ffs.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:48:27 pm
Nobody has, Ronaldo struggling to accept Dummett couldn't lace Haidara's boots.

This is where this stems from, he can't take the praise that Haidara receives. Feels in time he will be better than Dummett but not right now, yet if Haidara isn't playing football matches how is meant to get better than him? Not that it really matters like because he's already streets ahead let alone 'in time'.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:48:33 pm
(http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/Bob.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:48:41 pm
:papiss:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:52:08 pm
On the other hand I must be wrong if fans of Coloccini and Pardew disagree.
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Post by: neesy111 on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:52:12 pm
(http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/Bob.jpg)
Perfect response.  Hahahahaha.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:54:17 pm
On the other hand I must be wrong if fans of Coloccini and Pardew disagree.

Objection!

Changing the subject without answering any questions. f***ing classic.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Teasy on Monday 29 September 2014, 11:56:01 pm
Haidara is better than Dummet though to be fair.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 12:03:52 am
Haidara is better than Dummet though to be fair.
Defensively both are fairly atrocious, imo. Haidara at least attempts to be positive with the ball, though. When Santon is fit, he is at least a good footballer than can carry the ball forward well and pass and move. Dummett just seems to smash it as far from goal as possible, which is not acceptable for a modern fullback.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 12:04:18 am
Haidara is better than Dummet though to be fair.
This and it's clear to see. Pardew summed up why he plays him ahead of Haidara after the Palace game. Haidara is a "glamorous" player because he can take the ball forward, something Dummett can't and never will be able to.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BrettNUFC on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 12:06:30 am
Haidara is better than Dummet though to be fair.
This and it's clear to see. Pardew summed up why he plays him ahead of Haidara after the Palace game. Haidara is a "glamorous" player because he can take the ball forward, something Dummett can't and never will be able to.

And he's a Geordie...
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 05:23:06 am
He's just rubbish. Really crap.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: lovejoy on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 08:46:09 am
There's three others who were alongside hum who had worse performances than this lad last night.

The football hipsters won't let you believe it, but janmaat was worse, as was our captain. Pointless even mentioning the other lad.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: arnonel on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 08:54:16 am
How much time do we spend debating who is more s***. Its hilarious.
Who is more s***, Ashley or Pardew. Who is more s***, Dummet or Haidara.
Cant we all just agree that everyone from top to bottom is s***, would save pages of reading :P
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 09:46:55 am
Dummett & Wilo in the same defence is hilarious to watch when we try to play. Our defenders get a lot of the ball too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 09:47:09 am
How much time do we spend debating who is more s***. Its hilarious.
Who is more s***, Ashley or Pardew. Who is more s***, Dummet or Haidara.
Cant we all just agree that everyone from top to bottom is s***, would save pages of reading :P
Agreed.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TBG on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 10:11:07 am
Disagreed.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 10:22:20 am
Dummett & Wilo in the same defence is hilarious to watch when we try to play. Our defenders get a lot of the ball too.

:thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 10:26:49 am
There's three others who were alongside hum who had worse performances than this lad last night.

(http://The football hipsters) won't let you believe it, but janmaat was worse, as was our captain. Pointless even mentioning the other lad.

 :jesuswept: :jesuswept: :jesuswept:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 10:28:41 am
Dummett & Wilo in the same defence is hilarious to watch when we try to play. Our defenders get a lot of the ball too.

:thup:

Just when we thought we'd got rid of the Williamson/Simpson axis of evil, we've found our way back to something even worse. Beggars belief.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 05:12:12 pm
Oh for the halcyon days when it was all Danny Simpsons fault that we weren't playing liquid football :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 7 October 2014, 01:03:01 pm
Steph. retweeted
 Miles Starforth ‏@milesstarforth  22m22 minutes ago
Paul Dummett has withdrawn from the Wales squad due to injury. #nufc
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Post by: Swissmag on Tuesday 7 October 2014, 01:27:31 pm
Steph. retweeted
 Miles Starforth ‏@milesstarforth  22m22 minutes ago
Paul Dummett has withdrawn from the Wales squad due to injury. #nufc

Fine
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 8 October 2014, 12:30:38 am
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20141007/vote-for-septembers-player-of-the-month_2281670_4200446

Jesus H Christ the candidates for that. A striker that scored no goals, a striker that played 60 minutes and Paul f***ing Dummett. The state of this club.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 8 October 2014, 11:49:46 am
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20141007/vote-for-septembers-player-of-the-month_2281670_4200446

Jesus H Christ the candidates for that. A striker that scored no goals, a striker that played 60 minutes and Paul f***ing Dummett. The state of this club.

They should have quietly forgotten about the award TBH. It's not likely to be needed any time soon.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 8 October 2014, 05:16:46 pm
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20141007/vote-for-septembers-player-of-the-month_2281670_4200446

Jesus H Christ the candidates for that. A striker that scored no goals, a striker that played 60 minutes and Paul f***ing Dummett. The state of this club.
Riviere :spit: :spit:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 8 October 2014, 05:18:08 pm
A good finish and a penalty against Palace reserves is good enough for a player of the month nomination now.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Wednesday 8 October 2014, 10:26:42 pm
A good finish and a penalty against Palace reserves is good enough for a player of the month nomination now.

 :lol: Didn't Gael Bigirimana win goal of the season for one he scored playing for the stiffs?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 8 October 2014, 10:28:27 pm
That's a bit different, mind. I don't remember the goal but if it was a great strike or whatever the opposition is fairly irrelevant.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: zicomartin on Saturday 11 October 2014, 08:26:33 pm
 Another defender injured, looks like the departure of MYM is turning out as expected for Pardew.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Saturday 11 October 2014, 08:39:52 pm
So thats potentially 3 of our already shoddy back 5 injured, jesus :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Saturday 11 October 2014, 08:40:36 pm
Dummett's injured?  :D
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Sunday 12 October 2014, 05:08:55 am
Dummett out, tbf.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 09:46:53 pm
Paolo Dummett
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 09:57:27 pm
He's a pretty good centreback. Best thing is he sees less of the ball :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 09:57:46 pm
He's a pretty good centreback. Best thing is he sees less of the ball :lol:

No he's not.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Twinport53 on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 09:58:29 pm
That was a performance Perch would of been proud of like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 09:59:30 pm
He's a good defender. I'm not sure where his final position will be but I think he'll be our starting LB for the duration of Pardew's tenure.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 10:01:58 pm
He's a pretty good centreback. Best thing is he sees less of the ball :lol:

No he's not.

Seemed to do alright today like.

He's not amazing or anything but he can defend fairly well and is almost on a par with the other 2 English cloggers back there.
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Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 10:03:16 pm
I'd worry about his height if he was to play more often at cb
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 10:03:48 pm
He's about as tall as Colo isnt he?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 10:04:19 pm
I'd worry about his height if he was to play more often at cb

Fair point.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 10:11:56 pm
He's athletic and can't play football, so he's potentially much better suited for CB. I hope it's not for us mind.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 10:29:08 pm
He's improving with every game, and did a steady job out there tonight.

I think Pardew likes tall full backs, because he doesn't want them to be a soft touch for crosses to the far post. Trouble is that kind of full back isn't quite as nimble and if they're slightly out of position, they don't find it as easy to recover.

But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 11:45:23 pm
He did a fine job today. I'm not a massive fan of him at full back but the lad has a big heart and did a sterling job alongside Colo today.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 11:51:33 pm
He seems to fit the mould of a perfect Pardew fullback, which unfortunately doesn't mesh well with good football or attacking play. He's good in the air and a good defender, would be a CB at a better side. He averages a shockingly low amount of dribbles per game for a fullback, which says it all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Astroblack on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 11:53:21 pm
Destined to be a clogger but cloggers get an unreal amount of set piece goals and I feel like he'll pop up with a few.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Smal on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 11:54:47 pm
He's clearly not a full back like, so based on today he should probably be considered a centre half.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 30 October 2014, 03:46:54 am
Now we see the master plan coming together and why MYM truly was surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 30 October 2014, 08:34:11 am
Definitely a centre half but a very mediocre one. Still I'll take mediocre over calamitous.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:11:44 am
Said earlier I thought he could be a CB and he played very well. I wouldn't be adverse to seeing him there a few more times.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:14:36 am
He's improving with every game, and did a steady job out there tonight.

I think Pardew likes tall full backs, because he doesn't want them to be a soft touch for crosses to the far post. Trouble is that kind of full back isn't quite as nimble and if they're slightly out of position, they don't find it as easy to recover.

But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.
I thought he was outstanding last night, and our motm.

Good point about tall full backs as it was pointed out in commentary that Edin Dzeko doesn't try and compete with the centre halfs for the ball when crossed in but likes to drift wider and attack the full backs instead who are usually smaller and weaker.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian Cusack on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:14:50 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:15:46 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:17:25 am
He's improving with every game, and did a steady job out there tonight.

I think Pardew likes tall full backs, because he doesn't want them to be a soft touch for crosses to the far post. Trouble is that kind of full back isn't quite as nimble and if they're slightly out of position, they don't find it as easy to recover.

But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.
I thought he was outstanding last night, and our motm.

Good point about tall full backs as it was pointed out in commentary that Edin Dzeko doesn't try and compete with the centre halfs for the ball when crossed in but likes to drift wider and attack the full backs instead who are usually smaller and weaker.

They don't really need to be tall. Patrice Evra was small but he was tenacious in the air. All of our fullbacks are fairly big tbf.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: aussiemag on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:18:53 am
I think that hes sound defensively and positionally, its his lack of technique on the ball that I dont like. I love an attacking skilful full back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:19:20 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:21:23 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:25:51 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.


I don't necessarily think he's a better defensive fullback. It's just that Haidara takes more risks. Dummett is your "stay at home" fullback.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:32:03 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.


I don't think anyone gives Dummett shitloads of grief at all - people, as far as I can see, analyse his performances and judge him accordingly.  It's got absolutely nothing to do with where he is from.  If anything, being local helps Dummett.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:35:48 am
It's teh fact he's 23 is where I struggle. Raw as owt. Not going to get much more athletic.,
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:37:08 am

He's improving with every game, and did a steady job out there tonight.

I think Pardew likes tall full backs, because he doesn't want them to be a soft touch for crosses to the far post. Trouble is that kind of full back isn't quite as nimble and if they're slightly out of position, they don't find it as easy to recover.

But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.

:lol: right
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:37:12 am
But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.

Can I ask you what makes you think this? I genuinely don't see it at all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sh74 on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:38:34 am
Didn't someone say his position all the way through the academy was centre half. I could be wrong like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:41:51 am

The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.

Why do people say ridiculous stuff like this? It's nothing to do with where he's from. He gets grief because he struggles with the basics. It's total nonsense to suggest it's anything to do with his nationality. Must be why Aarons gets lauded on here eh? It's so tedious and completely bollocks

 @WhoScored: .@MassadioHaidara: MotM vs Manchester City, Rating 7.90, Dribbles 3, Interceptions 5, Clearances 6 @NUFC http://t.co/GsbYA4Z6wS

FYI.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:46:54 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.


Was waiting for somebody to come out with that cliché like. It's got absolutely nothing to do with where Haidara or Dummett are from. Dummett probably gets less flack because of where he is from.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian Cusack on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:51:21 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.

there's a brilliant article in "The Popular side" issue 3 by Kevin Drew saying how the young fans learn from the old fans. When he started going it meant you got behind the team and were fanatical, to fit in with the ambience. Somehow over time (Ashley and ageing I suppose) our support has become cynical, embittered and negative, probably from reading "True Faith" too much and so the older support are totally intolerant of any and every player, making irrational snap decisions and hating people for no reason. Consequently the younger support look up to these ones with their beards, £400 yellow jackets, workwear jeans and daft shoes and think being utterly negative, while drinking in The Town Wall and The Forth and putting stuff on Twitter about how much you hate the club, the players and the support, is the way to be. The abuse Dummett gets for being a local lad and trying his best is frankly appalling. You wonder why those who abuse him actually bother with football as they seem to hate it so much.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian Cusack on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:53:29 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.

I disagree with that though. The French players, especially Gouffran, get so much abuse from those drinking in The Forth and Town Wall that I've christened Pink Lane the Corridor of Hate.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Minhosa on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:55:38 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.

there's a brilliant article in "The Popular side" issue 3 by Kevin Drew saying how the young fans learn from the old fans. When he started going it meant you got behind the team and were fanatical, to fit in with the ambience. Somehow over time (Ashley and ageing I suppose) our support has become cynical, embittered and negative, probably from reading "True Faith" too much and so the older support are totally intolerant of any and every player, making irrational snap decisions and hating people for no reason. Consequently the younger support look up to these ones with their beards, £400 yellow jackets, workwear jeans and daft shoes and think being utterly negative, while drinking in The Town Wall and The Forth and putting stuff on Twitter about how much you hate the club, the players and the support, is the way to be. The abuse Dummett gets for being a local lad and trying his best is frankly appalling. You wonder why those who abuse him actually bother with football as they seem to hate it so much.

:lol: What a load of owld s****.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:56:28 am
Can't dislike Dummett... I don't really rate him but he doesn't deserve abuse. TBH it's very close between our fullbacks at the moment. Except Santon, who I would put way ahead, but who must've had a leg amputated or something.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian Cusack on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:56:48 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.

there's a brilliant article in "The Popular side" issue 3 by Kevin Drew saying how the young fans learn from the old fans. When he started going it meant you got behind the team and were fanatical, to fit in with the ambience. Somehow over time (Ashley and ageing I suppose) our support has become cynical, embittered and negative, probably from reading "True Faith" too much and so the older support are totally intolerant of any and every player, making irrational snap decisions and hating people for no reason. Consequently the younger support look up to these ones with their beards, £400 yellow jackets, workwear jeans and daft shoes and think being utterly negative, while drinking in The Town Wall and The Forth and putting stuff on Twitter about how much you hate the club, the players and the support, is the way to be. The abuse Dummett gets for being a local lad and trying his best is frankly appalling. You wonder why those who abuse him actually bother with football as they seem to hate it so much.

:lol: What a load of owld s****.

We'll agree to differ.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:05:28 am
:lol:

Cusack with a thinly veiled advertisement for his fanzine.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:16:33 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.

there's a brilliant article in "The Popular side" issue 3 by Kevin Drew saying how the young fans learn from the old fans. When he started going it meant you got behind the team and were fanatical, to fit in with the ambience. Somehow over time (Ashley and ageing I suppose) our support has become cynical, embittered and negative, probably from reading "True Faith" too much and so the older support are totally intolerant of any and every player, making irrational snap decisions and hating people for no reason. Consequently the younger support look up to these ones with their beards, £400 yellow jackets, workwear jeans and daft shoes and think being utterly negative, while drinking in The Town Wall and The Forth and putting stuff on Twitter about how much you hate the club, the players and the support, is the way to be. The abuse Dummett gets for being a local lad and trying his best is frankly appalling. You wonder why those who abuse him actually bother with football as they seem to hate it so much.

:lol: What a load of owld s****.

We'll agree to differ.

How you doing Gene?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:41:17 am
He's improving with every game, and did a steady job out there tonight.

I think Pardew likes tall full backs, because he doesn't want them to be a soft touch for crosses to the far post. Trouble is that kind of full back isn't quite as nimble and if they're slightly out of position, they don't find it as easy to recover.

But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.

Wow, don't know what to say.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Dummett is getting s*** for being a local lad. He's 23 and can't really pass or control a ball. At CB the lack of these attributes doesn't get as highlighted as when playing LB. Shame he isn't a bit taller.

Played well yesterday though. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:53:36 am
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.

there's a brilliant article in "The Popular side" issue 3 by Kevin Drew saying how the young fans learn from the old fans. When he started going it meant you got behind the team and were fanatical, to fit in with the ambience. Somehow over time (Ashley and ageing I suppose) our support has become cynical, embittered and negative, probably from reading "True Faith" too much and so the older support are totally intolerant of any and every player, making irrational snap decisions and hating people for no reason. Consequently the younger support look up to these ones with their beards, £400 yellow jackets, workwear jeans and daft shoes and think being utterly negative, while drinking in The Town Wall and The Forth and putting stuff on Twitter about how much you hate the club, the players and the support, is the way to be. The abuse Dummett gets for being a local lad and trying his best is frankly appalling. You wonder why those who abuse him actually bother with football as they seem to hate it so much.

What a load of horseshit.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 12:50:40 pm
I like his attitude.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:12:09 pm
Dummett is limited technically, but he did really well yesterday and fair play to him. He's got loads of spirit and he deserves credit for that. However, he's not a full back and I'd have to see him play more games at CB to decide if he could cut it at this level. I doubt it to be honest.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: toptoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:21:42 pm
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.


100% agree with Ujpest Doza and Pat Heard. Paul Dummett was awesome last night our MOM. He is a good defender, gives 100% for the Geordie cause and i can't understand why our local lads get so much more stick than the foreigners on here.

I think there are quite a few mischief making makems on this site who prey on the weak minded and fickle on here and quite a few just plain dumb idiots too that think just because someone is foreign they automatically must be better than someone who is local.

Its good to have a mixture including a few local lads that really care about the club in the team and are not just full of mercenary's who would drop us in a heartbeat if they had a better offer. No i'm not saying ALL foreigners are mercenary's either before anyone starts.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:26:24 pm
Agreed, that's why everyone on here loves Gouffran.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:27:36 pm

The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.


100% agree with Ujpest Doza and Pat Heard. Paul Dummett was awesome last night our MOM. He is a good defender, gives 100% for the Geordie cause and i can't understand why our local lads get so much more stick than the foreigners on here.

I think there are quite a few mischief making makems on this site who prey on the weak minded and fickle on here and quite a few just plain dumb idiots too that think just because someone is foreign they automatically must be better than someone who is local.

Its good to have a mixture including a few local lads that really care about the club in the team and are not just full of mercenary's who would drop us in a heartbeat if they had a better offer. No i'm not saying ALL foreigners are mercenary's either before anyone starts.

That's not true at all. Our most griefed players are Tiote/gouffran/colo/.  Total nonsense
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:29:30 pm
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.


I'm afraid that is utter rubbish.
No it isn't.
he gets shitloads of grief on here and never gives less than 100% and is a decent defender.
Haidara is better going forward than him but isn't as good a defender but because he's foreign he's lauded on here.


100% agree with Ujpest Doza and Pat Heard. Paul Dummett was awesome last night our MOM. He is a good defender, gives 100% for the Geordie cause and i can't understand why our local lads get so much more stick than the foreigners on here.

I think there are quite a few mischief making makems on this site who prey on the weak minded and fickle on here and quite a few just plain dumb idiots too that think just because someone is foreign they automatically must be better than someone who is local.

Its good to have a mixture including a few local lads that really care about the club in the team and are not just full of mercenary's who would drop us in a heartbeat if they had a better offer. No i'm not saying ALL foreigners are mercenary's either before anyone starts.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01815/andy-carroll_1815701c.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:30:22 pm
Also taylor who regularly tries to leave when he's not getting picked. This is a completely hollow argument
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Klaus on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:32:23 pm
I am sure the day before Carroll left for Liverpool, the back page of the chronicle had an article about him saying he wanted to become a true Geordie hero/ the next shearer etc. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:34:54 pm
:lol:

Cusack with a thinly veiled advertisement for his fanzine.

Basically spam that post
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 30 October 2014, 01:52:09 pm
It's nice to have players who care about the club, just remember that none of them care enough not to take a big transfer out. That applies to local and foreign almost equally IMO. It's not even a contradiction really, it's just life in most jobs.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 30 October 2014, 03:27:44 pm
He cares about the club because like Taylor he can't do any better. Don't delude yourself into thinking any different.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ndegwa on Thursday 30 October 2014, 03:34:41 pm
Agreed, that's why everyone on here loves Gouffran.

 :lol: :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 30 October 2014, 03:51:05 pm
It's funny how not rating a player is seen as abuse and hate on here. No-one abuses or hates Dummett they just question his ability and competency.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 03:54:00 pm
I like Gouffran but i don't rate him as a winger. Would like to see him play centrally with Perez behind him against Liverpool. Aarons and Cabella as  wing forwards.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 03:59:14 pm
Played far better at CB than he has at LB imo
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 30 October 2014, 04:00:56 pm
Played far better at CB than he has at LB imo

Just better suited to that position. He's decent in the air and doesn't have to 'play' as much.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: binnsy on Thursday 30 October 2014, 04:38:18 pm
:lol:

Cusack with a thinly veiled advertisement for his fanzine.

haha i was just about to say the same thing,  a plug for the new poplular side fanzine and a dig at True Faith.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Thursday 30 October 2014, 04:45:27 pm
:lol:

Cusack with a thinly veiled advertisement for his fanzine.

haha i was just about to say the same thing,  a plug for the new poplular side fanzine and a dig at True Faith.

watch your letterbox
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 30 October 2014, 04:47:06 pm
:lol:

Cusack with a thinly veiled advertisement for his fanzine.

haha i was just about to say the same thing,  a plug for the new poplular side fanzine and a dig at True Faith.

watch your letterbox
:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 30 October 2014, 05:14:12 pm
The abuse Dummett gets is frankly sickening. He's doing his best but some people seem to want him to fail.
I agree with this.
Seems anyone not foreign and not costing millions is fair game.

there's a brilliant article in "The Popular side" issue 3 by Kevin Drew saying how the young fans learn from the old fans. When he started going it meant you got behind the team and were fanatical, to fit in with the ambience. Somehow over time (Ashley and ageing I suppose) our support has become cynical, embittered and negative, probably from reading "True Faith" too much and so the older support are totally intolerant of any and every player, making irrational snap decisions and hating people for no reason. Consequently the younger support look up to these ones with their beards, £400 yellow jackets, workwear jeans and daft shoes and think being utterly negative, while drinking in The Town Wall and The Forth and putting stuff on Twitter about how much you hate the club, the players and the support, is the way to be. The abuse Dummett gets for being a local lad and trying his best is frankly appalling. You wonder why those who abuse him actually bother with football as they seem to hate it so much.

:lol: What a load of owld s****.

We'll agree to differ.
Enjoying your new user name, mate? :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Thursday 30 October 2014, 05:14:24 pm
You get the odd "Paul Dumbshit" post, but mostly people stick to his footballing ability which is absolutely fair game.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Thursday 30 October 2014, 05:15:27 pm
You get the odd "Paul Dumbshit" post, but mostly people stick to his footballing ability which is absolutely fair game.

Even the moral arbiter has approved it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 05:18:29 pm

You get the odd "Paul Dumbshit" post, but mostly people stick to his footballing ability which is absolutely fair game.

Even the moral arbiter has approved it.

Paul not won s***
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 30 October 2014, 05:45:26 pm
I still hate Dumbshit for what it's worth. Haidara's the better of the two and doesn't get a game. Prove's how bad he is at left back that he looks better out of position at centre back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: oldtype on Thursday 30 October 2014, 05:51:07 pm
Think he'll eventually end up at CB and become the next version of Steven Taylor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 30 October 2014, 05:54:01 pm
Doesn't seem a prick though which is a bonus.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 06:28:05 pm
I still hate Dumbshit for what it's worth. Haidara's the better of the two and doesn't get a game. Prove's how bad he is at left back that he looks better out of position at centre back.

Why do you hate him? He gives his all in every game and seems to be a sound lad. Yes he might not be good enough but that's another matter.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 30 October 2014, 06:29:16 pm
I HATE HIM
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 30 October 2014, 06:51:54 pm
I still hate Dumbshit for what it's worth. Haidara's the better of the two and doesn't get a game. Prove's how bad he is at left back that he looks better out of position at centre back.

Why do you hate him? He gives his all in every game and seems to be a sound lad. Yes he might not be good enough but that's another matter.
Because the minimum I expect from a professional footballer is to be able to control a football. He's a horrendous footballer and I don't give a f*** if he's trying his best, I'd try my best if given the chance to play for Newcastle but I'd still be s***. Main reason I dislike him as his presence is keeping a far better player out of the side. End of the day you watch football to see superior athletes and talents play football and Paul Dummett is not that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 07:01:33 pm
I still hate Dumbshit for what it's worth. Haidara's the better of the two and doesn't get a game. Prove's how bad he is at left back that he looks better out of position at centre back.

Why do you hate him? He gives his all in every game and seems to be a sound lad. Yes he might not be good enough but that's another matter.
Because the minimum I expect from a professional footballer is to be able to control a football. He's a horrendous footballer and I don't give a f*** if he's trying his best, I'd try my best if given the chance to play for Newcastle but I'd still be s***. Main reason I dislike him is he
is presence is keeping a far better player out of the side. End of the day you watch football to see superior athletes and talents play football and Paul Dummett is not that.

You should put your anger towards Pardew instead and kill him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 30 October 2014, 07:10:10 pm
I still hate Dumbshit for what it's worth. Haidara's the better of the two and doesn't get a game. Prove's how bad he is at left back that he looks better out of position at centre back.

Why do you hate him? He gives his all in every game and seems to be a sound lad. Yes he might not be good enough but that's another matter.
Because the minimum I expect from a professional footballer is to be able to control a football. He's a horrendous footballer and I don't give a f*** if he's trying his best, I'd try my best if given the chance to play for Newcastle but I'd still be s***. Main reason I dislike him is he
is presence is keeping a far better player out of the side. End of the day you watch football to see superior athletes and talents play football and Paul Dummett is not that.

You should put your anger towards Pardew instead and kill him.
If only. Tbf to Dummett at least he's not got Stevie Bantz personality, I hate Dummett on a purely footballing level
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Thursday 30 October 2014, 08:13:27 pm
But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.

Can I ask you what makes you think this? I genuinely don't see it at all.

There's not a lot to choose between them, but I'm not surprised that Dummett has edged ahead.

I think CD had a good point when he said that Haidara took more risks. Dummett is playing very conservatively at the moment, but I reckon there' s more to come from him going forward, once he gains more confidence and his judgement improves. He's not the clogger that some on here seem to think.

By contrast Haidara's touch on the ball is more erratic than his supporters believe. Last night, he looked quite clumsy going forward on two or three occasions. It's true enough that he's more enterprising, and he's the better athlete, but he's still at the beginning stages of the learning curve.

It's very tough for young defenders in the Premier league, because the standard is now so high that they only have to be slightly out of position, and they're done. Both look a bit vulnerable in defence at the moment, but again I'd back Dummett at this moment because he plays with that bit more aggression and he's good in the air.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:40:17 pm
Dummett will never, ever flourish going forward. I've watched him knock simple passes 10 yards out of touch when under the slightest bit of pressure.

He'll move to centre half, over the next couple of years. You can coach Haidara to defend better, Dummett's technical ability can't get the same treatment.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 30 October 2014, 10:41:34 pm

But I do think Dummett has more potential than Haidara.

Can I ask you what makes you think this? I genuinely don't see it at all.

There's not a lot to choose between them, but I'm not surprised that Dummett has edged ahead.

I think CD had a good point when he said that Haidara took more risks. Dummett is playing very conservatively at the moment, but I reckon there' s more to come from him going forward, once he gains more confidence and his judgement improves. He's not the clogger that some on here seem to think.

By contrast Haidara's touch on the ball is more erratic than his supporters believe. Last night, he looked quite clumsy going forward on two or three occasions. It's true enough that he's more enterprising, and he's the better athlete, but he's still at the beginning stages of the learning curve.

It's very tough for young defenders in the Premier league, because the standard is now so high that they only have to be slightly out of position, and they're done. Both look a bit vulnerable in defence at the moment, but again I'd back Dummett at this moment because he plays with that bit more aggression and he's good in the air.

None of that is true
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:11:39 pm
Other than the obvious association with Pardew, I don't get the negativity towards him at all. He's a young lad relatively new to PL football who's looked very solid defensively and a goal threat. If he was brilliant on the ball in addition to those qualities he'd be at another club.

The Steven Taylor comparisons don't wash either. He was costing us goals left, right and centre during his first 4 years in the team and arguably beyond.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:22:55 pm
Other than the obvious association with Pardew, I don't get the negativity towards him at all. He's a young lad relatively new to PL football who's looked very solid defensively and a goal threat. If he was brilliant on the ball in addition to those qualities he'd be at another club.

The Steven Taylor comparisons don't wash either. He was costing us goals left, right and centre during his first 4 years in the team and arguably beyond.

Tend to agree with this. The f***ing cretin didn't do him any favours making him take the set-pieces when he first came into the team.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:35:14 pm
Dummett will never, ever flourish going forward. I've watched him knock simple passes 10 yards out of touch when under the slightest bit of pressure.

He'll move to centre half, over the next couple of years. You can coach Haidara to defend better, Dummett's technical ability can't get the same treatment.

This basically.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:39:39 pm
Not seen anything of Dummett that suggest he could be a capable Premier League full back. He's too nervous on the ball. Might make a passable CB though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alijmitchell on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:52:47 pm
Jesus people want to get a grip. Imagine hating a guy because he keeps better players out the side? f*** me. Imagine any of us being given the chance to play. How many would step aside? The guy wants to play and gets picked by a knob of a manager. He isn't a fuckin serial killer
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:54:09 pm
He isn't a fuckin serial killer

More bizarre defence of a player ever.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: alijmitchell on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:56:46 pm
I mean obviously. I made an ott statement in order to provoke a response. The point is that to hate a guy like dummett, I mean what has he really done to deserve that. He's a limited player that's it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 31 October 2014, 12:05:06 am
He isn't a fuckin serial killer

More bizarre defence of a player ever.

"He’s not murdered anyone, he’s not a rapist or a paedophile."
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: zicomartin on Friday 31 October 2014, 12:23:19 am
Dummett is between Taylor and Colloccini in height with less technical ability than both. 

All three are under 6'1".

Why does numbnuts  think thats a good thing?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Friday 31 October 2014, 12:23:50 am
Jesus people want to get a grip. Imagine hating a guy because he keeps better players out the side? f*** me. Imagine any of us being given the chance to play. How many would step aside? The guy wants to play and gets picked by a knob of a manager. He isn't a fuckin serial killer
If this is aimed at me, I don't hate him as a person, I hate him as a footballer.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Friday 31 October 2014, 12:28:49 am
If he'd come in and played centre back all along people probably wouldn't have an issue but having a player at FB who at best is a one touch and cross/punt player in the current climate is painful. Sums up everything people are frustrated with when it comes it to the dickhead in charge and NUFC.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Friday 31 October 2014, 12:30:06 am
If he'd come in and played centre back all along people probably wouldn't have an issue but having a player at FB who at best is a one touch and cross/punt player in the current climate is painful. Sums up everything people are frustrated with when it comes it to the dickhead in charge and NUFC.

He was immediately bombed out of centre half after Fletcher beat him in the air at the SOS NPW.
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Post by: nufc4eva on Friday 31 October 2014, 07:58:37 am
He looked half decent at CB, absolutely awful Left Back though.
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Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 31 October 2014, 08:24:00 am
An awful full back is one who contributes nowt going forward and costs you goals. That describes plenty of our lot over the years but not this lad.
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Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 31 October 2014, 08:55:06 am
I'd like to see him make it here because having good local academy graduates in the team is never a bad thing but I still think he's the worst of our 3 left backs and has little scope for improvement as a player.
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Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 31 October 2014, 10:12:28 am
maybe we need a fistpump injury to get rid of him from LB and do everyone a favour
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Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 31 October 2014, 03:17:27 pm
Other than the obvious association with Pardew, I don't get the negativity towards him at all. He's a young lad relatively new to PL football who's looked very solid defensively and a goal threat. If he was brilliant on the ball in addition to those qualities he'd be at another club.

The Steven Taylor comparisons don't wash either. He was costing us goals left, right and centre during his first 4 years in the team and arguably beyond.

For me it's just the association with Pardew and how he publicly compared Dummett to Haidara, calling the latter overly flashy, and how he prefers someone with graft. He epitomizes the Pardew mentality, but yes, he personally hasn't done much to be hated for. If we have somehow unearthed a CB in him, I'm happier than I've ever been with him. I just don't want him at fullback.
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Post by: Ian W on Friday 31 October 2014, 03:26:22 pm
It's unfair to blame Dummett for being preferred by Pardew, fair enough if you don't rate him as a player (which I don't).
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Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 31 October 2014, 03:38:22 pm
Dummett's the best defender out of the 3 and I don't blame Pardew one bit for starting him with Santon injured or making mistakes.
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Post by: jdckelly on Friday 31 October 2014, 03:48:26 pm
Dummett's the best defender out of the 3 and I don't blame Pardew one bit for starting him with Santon injured or making mistakes.
tend to agree with this.
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Post by: ManDoon on Friday 31 October 2014, 03:50:31 pm
Tend to think Santon is on another planet as a footballer like
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Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 31 October 2014, 03:52:39 pm
As a footballer Santon is the best by a distance, yes.
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Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Friday 31 October 2014, 06:27:31 pm
Forgot about Santon :lol:
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Post by: Away Toon on Friday 31 October 2014, 11:00:51 pm
Santon might be the best of the three as a footballer, but defensively he's regularly cost us goals because of his appalling positional sense, and going forward, well to say he's predictable is an overstatement. I'd tell him he's playing as a RB or nothing and see if he's capable of competing with Janmaat and Raylor.
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Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 31 October 2014, 11:33:06 pm
He could play injured, blindfolded and wearing lead boots and still be capable of competing with Raylor. :lol:
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Post by: mozy on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:03:36 pm
Excellent today, kept Sterling in his pocket.
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Post by: mosstef on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:06:47 pm
He's been very good for the last couple of games. Excellent today.
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Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:09:06 pm
He can defend comfortably, but can not dribble, cross or pass if it involves completing it in the opposition half.
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Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:12:24 pm
Excellent today, kept Sterling in his pocket.

He was but we shouldn't act like Sterling on the wing is that much of a threat.

In the middle is a different story but on the wing he's nothing special.
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Post by: r0cafella on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:18:06 pm
He's steady and as much as I detest us playing that sort of player in midfield I can live with it in defence.
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Post by: Tooj on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:26:45 pm
Thought he played well today. I also thought a big part of that was Gouffran not paying, so I wasn't getting frustrated with him having more of the ball than he should and wasting it.
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Post by: Recoba on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:34:07 pm
Loves defending.
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Post by: thenorthumbrian on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:15:38 pm
I thought Dummett had a really good game today, he kept Stirling quiet.
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Post by: Dokko on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:18:03 pm
England's biggest and most hyped prospect since the last one got f*** all change out of him.
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Post by: Wullie on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:18:40 pm
He was excellent today though Sterling made it easy for him at times, he was dire. How often was he just standing offside?
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Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:19:17 pm
England's biggest and most hyped prospect since the last one got f*** all change out of him.

Thought he played for Wales?
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Post by: Disco on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:19:27 pm
England's biggest and most hyped prospect since the last one got f*** all change out of him.

Aye, Sterling has never performed for England.

Dummett played well today though :thup: Wouldn't be surprised if he looked better in most games where he doesn't have to get forward and effect the game as much. Still don't like him as a player though.
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Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:20:05 pm
Thought he was good today credit to him
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Post by: ujpest doza on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:20:17 pm
Has he let Sterling out of his back pocket yet??

Absolutely outstanding today, never gave Sterling a kick.
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Post by: mozy on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:35:41 pm
Lets not act like defending isn't an important aspect of football either :lol:

Saying that I think everyone is in agreement on what Dummett is good at, and what his limitations as a player will always be.
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Post by: nufc4eva on Saturday 1 November 2014, 06:21:51 pm
He was fantastic today, Had Sterling all day long
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Post by: samag on Saturday 1 November 2014, 06:37:11 pm
good game today. hope he can continue playing well.
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Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 2 November 2014, 08:52:24 am
Was very good and played a big part in our winner. I'd still prefer Haidara there but he's done well in this run.
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Post by: sempuki on Sunday 2 November 2014, 09:04:58 am
Seems to be getting better.
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Post by: Cronky on Sunday 2 November 2014, 06:44:30 pm
played a big part in our winner.

Well worth a mention. He gets criticised for his attacking but his run made the goal and he chose the right option in passing to Sissoko rather than crossing.

In defending, he seemed to be getting much tighter to his opponent and not allowing them to turn. It worked well for him.
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Post by: Kanji on Sunday 2 November 2014, 06:46:45 pm
If only he didn't look like a hunchback running all over the place, he's a pretty good defender and played well versus Liverpool. Credit to Haidara versus City too. I wish one of them was right footed or right back as we have 3 young good LBs and Janmaat.
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Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 3 November 2014, 09:07:20 am
aye he played sterling very well at the weekend, fair play to the lad

f***s happened to sterling btw?  dummett did well but last season sterling would have gone past him like he wasn't there
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Post by: alijmitchell on Monday 3 November 2014, 09:12:24 am
I think MOTD highlighted the probs with Sterling and Liverpool last week - he's a winger that always tries to go on the inside rather than outside, and teams crowd that area. They highlighted that he plays best behind the striker. I didn't really see him try to do Dummett on the outside?
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Post by: basjen on Monday 3 November 2014, 09:19:05 am
He can defend comfortably, but can not dribble, cross or pass if it involves completing it in the opposition half.

I think he has some decent crosses. Also, he's scored twice in less than 30 games, which is not bad for a left-back.

Personally i prefer Haidara, but as people on here has been saying, he gets way more stick than he deserves.
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Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 3 November 2014, 09:31:43 am
I think MOTD highlighted the probs with Sterling and Liverpool last week - he's a winger that always tries to go on the inside rather than outside, and teams crowd that area. They highlighted that he plays best behind the striker. I didn't really see him try to do Dummett on the outside?

yeah i've no idea why they're persisting with him out wide so religiously, the best i've seen him play has always been through the middle
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Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 3 November 2014, 10:51:43 am
Sterling's game has never been about attacking fullbacks the way Bale did. But i'll give Dummett his props.
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Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 3 November 2014, 10:54:29 am
I don't think he's a winger tbf. Not even sure he's a wide player but if he is - he's an inside forward like a Sanchez or Bale of the last few seasons. And even Bale still takes on fullbacks and puts in balls from wide on his right fairly often.
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Post by: Pilko on Monday 3 November 2014, 02:06:55 pm
Despite his limitations on the ball, he does carry some goal threat at set pieces and doesn't have a bad shot on him.

Both he and Janmaat both seem to have at least one attempt on goal per match, which isn't something I'm used to seeing from NUFC's fullback pairings.
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Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 3 November 2014, 03:31:38 pm
Despite his limitations on the ball, he does carry some goal threat at set pieces and doesn't have a bad shot on him.

I hope that continues. One of the few lads that knows how to attack a ball in the air properly - whether with his feet or head.
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Post by: KaKa on Monday 3 November 2014, 03:36:09 pm
This guy has been okay lately.

He's a lot more tolerable, when playing a forward thinking player ahead of him, rather than Gouffran, which was rendering the left side completely worthless attacking wise.
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Post by: M1tche on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:03:04 pm
Definitely not a full back!!!
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Post by: GeordieT on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:06:21 pm
Definitely not a full back!!!

Pardew said a couple of weeks back that he felt Dummett's future was at CB. Has looked surprisingly comfortable there.
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Post by: palnese on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:07:05 pm
Played mainly as a CB at youth/reserve level, did he not?
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Post by: M1tche on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:07:46 pm
He doesn't try and do anything other than defend, which he is pretty decent at.
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Post by: midds on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:11:07 pm
Played really well today. Looked solid throughout. :)
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Post by: GeordieT on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:11:59 pm
Played mainly as a CB at youth/reserve level, did he not?

Think so, pretty sure he was playing at CB for St Mirren as well.
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Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:14:25 pm
Ryan Taylor our best crosser of the ball on the field and we take a short corner  :dave:
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Post by: Newcastle Fan on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:19:40 pm
Super today, maybe he is a Center back.
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Post by: Ian W on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:30:49 pm
Master plan all along, who needs Mapou?

???
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Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:32:28 pm
:clap: :clap: Brilliant today like. Pardew doesn't half luck out the c***.

Coloccini on the right and Dummett on the left is by far my favorite CB pairing of our current lot.
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Post by: TRon on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:33:43 pm
Well as he's done, I hope this isn't going to be used as an excuse to buy a big CB, because we still lack one.
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Post by: aussiemag on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:34:33 pm
He was brilliant today. Didnt put a foot wrong defensively. They were out muscled by Anichebe a fair bit though, a better striker with those strengths could pose a problem.
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Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:34:43 pm
Very good today
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Post by: mozy on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:35:28 pm
At the risk of becoming a broken record, he has always looked very competent as a central defender and has a future there at a good level.
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Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:35:36 pm
Very good today
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Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:37:22 pm
Excellent recent run of form. I think he's a better centre half, to be honest.
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Post by: Recoba on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:37:30 pm
Proper defender.
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Post by: TRon on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:38:53 pm
Proper defender.

He is.
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Post by: Elliottman on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:39:02 pm
Best I've seen him play today, looked very comfortable. Tougher tests to come though, especially if Williamson ends up alongside him
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Post by: Klaus on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:41:16 pm
West Brom were dog s*** today, but yeah he played well and clearly is much more comfortable in the centre.
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Post by: 1964 on Sunday 9 November 2014, 03:58:56 pm
As good as anyone today, attacked the ball and won everything
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Post by: Disco on Sunday 9 November 2014, 04:00:08 pm
Still lacks composure on the ball like but I don't that's ever going to change, he's a doing a good job as stopgap until we ever buy a proper centre half.
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Post by: Tsunami on Sunday 9 November 2014, 04:00:24 pm
He looks a much better cb than fb. Played well again today.
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Post by: Pilko on Sunday 9 November 2014, 04:01:03 pm
He just loves defending, like. That said, other than when he was hung out to dry in his second ever PL appearance at the mackems, he's never looked anything but good at centre back.
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Post by: Pip on Sunday 9 November 2014, 04:26:26 pm
He's Williamson's replacement. Pretty bad on the ball, looks to hoof it but he knows how to defend and will have a run of games where he looks very solid. The other side of that coin is that like Williamson, he'll have a run of games where he's a liability too.

In the end, he's a squad player on cheap wages and fulfills the homegrown rule for us. He's Ashley's wet dream. Fair play to the kid for not looking out of depth.
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Post by: HTT on Sunday 9 November 2014, 05:30:30 pm
A better CB than a LB, but damn he's awful on the ball. Not the answer and never will be, but its good to see a young player playing well.
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Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:02:54 pm
He's Williamson's replacement. Pretty bad on the ball, looks to hoof it but he knows how to defend and will have a run of games where he looks very solid. The other side of that coin is that like Williamson, he'll have a run of games where he's a liability too.

He's never looked a liability defensively. Only going to get better, too.
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Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:03:06 pm
LB's are pretty much either originally wingers or centreback's - he certainly in the latter category and it's showing. Said very early on he might be better at CB than FB and it's looking correct.

He's not a big lad but he's probably the best in the air in the squad. He's got a Terry-like hunger to get on the end of things. Keep it up Paul lad,
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Post by: Ikon on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:04:43 pm
LB's are pretty much either originally wingers or centreback's - he certainly in the latter category and it's showing. Said very early on he might be better at CB than FB and it's looking correct.

He's not a big lad but he's probably the best in the air in the squad. He's got a Terry-like hunger to get on the end of things. Keep it up Paul lad,

Look at me! LOOK AT ME!
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Post by: sempuki on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:04:54 pm
Doing really well atm. Totally changed my mind about him.
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Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:04:57 pm
He's Williamson's replacement. Pretty bad on the ball, looks to hoof it but he knows how to defend and will have a run of games where he looks very solid. The other side of that coin is that like Williamson, he'll have a run of games where he's a liability too.

He's never looked a liability defensively. Only going to get better, too.

Not half as bad as Williamson on the ball. In that 16th season Williamson was so nervous on the ball it hurt.
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Post by: Kanji on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:06:48 pm
I have no problem with him as a CB. I do like his hunger and passion, he's got more to him and more likable than Stevie Bants too. I always look at PD and think "that's one of us out there" in terms of hell go and make a great tackle or header but then whiff a clearance and smile about it after.
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Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:06:56 pm
Dummett is never a LB. Pretty slow. He's a CB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxo0pSNYMXE

:lol: Yep.

I bring it up because I was originally ridiculed for suggesting it.
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Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:07:02 pm
Did he start as a CB?
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Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:08:37 pm
Don't think he's too small to be a CB at all.

Ah, you were being serious.

Dummett is never a LB. Pretty slow. He's a CB.

:lol: A CB!!!!!!!!


lol
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Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:08:41 pm
Did he start as a CB?

Today or in his career?
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Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:09:50 pm
Career
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Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:15:04 pm
 :mystery:
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Post by: Cronky on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:25:08 pm
Don't think he's too small to be a CB at all.

Ah, you were being serious.

Dummett is never a LB. Pretty slow. He's a CB.

:lol: A CB!!!!!!!!


lol

Good spot.

He really looks to have found his feet at CB.
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Post by: Lotus on Sunday 9 November 2014, 06:36:03 pm
If he's playing regularly for us at CB in a couple years time I'll be astounded.

Unless we're down division or 2 by then.
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Post by: Aiston on Sunday 9 November 2014, 07:03:34 pm
Better CB than Williamson.
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Post by: George Bailey on Monday 10 November 2014, 04:53:08 pm
Better CB than Williamson.
So am I and I'm 5 ft 2.
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Post by: KaKa on Monday 10 November 2014, 05:07:51 pm
I respect this guy's hustle.
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Post by: Gino14 on Monday 10 November 2014, 05:08:33 pm
He looks competent at CB and he just looks like someone who has CB qualities rather than anything that would make him a left back.  He's solid in the air, a solid tackler and seems to be okay positionally.  He isn't great on the ball, doesn't have a great range of passing and doesn't have any kind of Baines like left foot.  So to me, we'd be far better off using him as a centre back.  When we get Santon back, we have him and Haidara, so we're covered at left back.  It's centre back where we're really short, especially after the brilliance of loaning out Yanga-Mbiwa.
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Post by: Ste on Monday 10 November 2014, 05:13:11 pm
Surprised he started at centre half, thought for sure Williamson would have been back in.

Don't rate him at left back but he's done well at centre half. Good honest pro, lacking a bit in quality but you can rely on him to give his all.
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Post by: Miercoles on Monday 10 November 2014, 06:52:13 pm
Thought he's looked quite good at center back. Certainly prefer him to Williamson. He was big for us against wba, two or three key blocks, good in the air, an all around capable performance imo.
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Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 10 November 2014, 07:00:38 pm
No reason he can't become a full back in the Ivanovic mould in time. Not saying he'll ever be as a good, but with an effective wide attacking player in front of him you can't complain if he's defending well and a strong attacker of the ball in both boxes. Having a full back who doesn't need to be wrapped in cotton wool and allows attacking players to attack is a pretty big advantage.
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Post by: Kanji on Monday 10 November 2014, 07:15:26 pm
Funny enough...Haidara looks better with Dummett playing CB too :lol:
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Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 10 November 2014, 07:27:57 pm
Ivanovic would play CB for most teams in the division however.

He's also very comfortable in possession. Paul's no Big Mike on the ball but it's not a strength.
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Post by: Gorilla on Monday 10 November 2014, 07:30:10 pm
He has been ok at centre back in this spell. If we bear in mind he seems to rarely ever play centre back then he should get better with more games. He has looked more solid than Iron Mike or Taylor but it might be more to do with the fact the team is a bit more cohesive at the moment. We know colo is an excellent centre back but he's looked like boumsong at times and thats not a lack of talent its a lack of solidity in the side with a team set up to soak up and get one on the break which we weren't doing, we were just pissing around for 90 minutes.
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Post by: DebuchyAndTheBeast on Monday 10 November 2014, 07:35:24 pm
He has been decent and quite composed given that he rarely played in that position. Maybe it's because of the balance in the back four, 2 right-footed  on the right and 2 left-footed on the left? When Santon was fit we had 4 right-footed defenders playing at the same time, which is theoretically always a disadvantage .I'd like to see Willo or S.Taylor paired with him before making a definitive judgment.
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Post by: themanupstairs on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 09:26:22 am
No reason he can't become a full back in the Ivanovic mould in time. Not saying he'll ever be as a good, but with an effective wide attacking player in front of him you can't complain if he's defending well and a strong attacker of the ball in both boxes. Having a full back who doesn't need to be wrapped in cotton wool and allows attacking players to attack is a pretty big advantage.

f***ing hell total rebrand coming with full paragraphs and many words, I love it. Totally agree fwiw.
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Post by: antz1uk on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 09:54:23 am
can we please stop calling this position f***ing centre back, it's centre half  :rant:
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Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 10:32:18 am
can we please stop calling this position f***ing centre back, it's centre half  :rant:

What's the difference like?
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Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 10:33:54 am
I call it restricted libero tbf
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Post by: Ste on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 10:53:25 am

can we please stop calling this position f***ing centre back, it's centre half  :rant:

What's the difference like?

Zero, except centre half has been used longer.
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Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 11:23:59 am
What an insanely unnecessary thing to kick up a fuss over
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Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 11:43:07 am
We don't really talk about 'half' any more at all do we? There used to be loads of positions like 'inside half' and that, but I assumed it was outdated.
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Post by: Cronky on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 12:19:47 pm
Centre half has been an inappropriate term since they changed the offside rule in 1925, from 3 men to 2, and it became necessary to drop the centre half back into a position between the two full backs. It's lasted an insanely long time though.

The usual 1-11 numbering system is based on the pre-1925 system of 2-3-5, with two full backs numbered 2 and 3, 3 half-backs 4 to 6, and 5 forwards 7 to 11. Despite the fact that formations are now very different, the old numbers have an influence, particularly in defence.
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Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 11 November 2014, 12:42:59 pm
Colo 2 the brilliant full back numbered center half that he is.
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Post by: Varadi on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 01:37:09 pm
Crossbar challenge:

https://vine.co/v/O1pd3Qj1Vai
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Post by: sempuki on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 01:42:11 pm
Not sure how much longer the Dummett-Willo combo will be able to keep a clean sheet. Can see Carroll doing damage on Saturday.
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Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 01:42:47 pm
Y'know how people were rightly embarrassed about the whole mentioning of Beckham in the Ryan Taylor debate?

Yesterday someone mentioned that the reason we'd been doing so well was because of Janmaat and Dummett and described them both as 'excellent players'

I said that it was over the top and although Dummett had done a job admirably well, he's still a defender that hoofs it and a defender that does that when under the slightest bit of pressure can never really be described as excellent.

The guy brought up a comparison to back up the idea that excellent players hoof it...you ready?...Carlos Puyol. :spit:
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Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 01:55:51 pm
He's got a cracking left foot, like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:02:39 pm
Y'know how people were rightly embarrassed about the whole mentioning of Beckham in the Ryan Taylor debate?

Yesterday someone mentioned that the reason we'd been doing so well was because of Janmaat and Dummett and described them both as 'excellent players'

I said that it was over the top and although Dummett had done a job admirably well, he's still a defender that hoofs it and a defender that does that when under the slightest bit of pressure can never really be described as excellent.
  If that's his biggest weakness he'll be our starting CB for a long time.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:04:53 pm
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:19:01 pm
What are you talking about?
Your criticisms of him at CB have nothing to do with his ability to defend
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:28:45 pm
I don't even know what you're debating here. He's had a good run of defending in a side that's been winning for once, that's it. He still hoofs a lot, therefore he's no good in my eyes until he stops that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:33:03 pm
Bit of a weird opinion, like, KI. Man U and Chelsea dominated the PL for 7 season while semi-frequently 'hoofing' it. It's hardly a major issue that one defender defends consistently well and hits it long under pressure.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Zero on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:34:10 pm
I don't even know what you're debating here. He's had a good run of defending in a side that's been winning for once, that's it. He still hoofs a lot, therefore he's no good in my eyes until he stops that.

"If that's his biggest weakness he'll be our starting CB for a long time."

Isn't that hard to understand right?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: aussiemag on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:38:03 pm
Bit of a weird opinion, like, KI. Man U and Chelsea dominated the PL for 7 season while semi-frequently 'hoofing' it. It's hardly a major issue that one defender defends consistently well and hits it long under pressure.

yeh as a fullback youd want him to be more composed on the ball, but as a centre half its not as much as an issue if hes partnered with a Colo or Mbiwa type.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:40:40 pm
Bit of a weird opinion, like, KI. Man U and Chelsea dominated the PL for 7 season while semi-frequently 'hoofing' it. It's hardly a major issue that one defender defends consistently well and hits it long under pressure.

He hits it long when he isn't, he hits it long a lot, that's a major issue. He's done well so far defensively in what? 6 games? That doesn't make him excellent nor does it call for that hyped up sentence from TCD.

My original point was about someone comparing him with Puyol ffs, a mainstay in arguably the best passing team of all time.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 02:42:01 pm
I don't even know what you're debating here. He's had a good run of defending in a side that's been winning for once, that's it. He still hoofs a lot, therefore he's no good in my eyes until he stops that.

"If that's his biggest weakness he'll be our starting CB for a long time."

Isn't that hard to understand right?

It's based on nowt. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:05:30 pm
Bit of a weird opinion, like, KI. Man U and Chelsea dominated the PL for 7 season while semi-frequently 'hoofing' it. It's hardly a major issue that one defender defends consistently well and hits it long under pressure.

He hits it long when he isn't, he hits it long a lot, that's a major issue. He's done well so far defensively in what? 6 games? That doesn't make him excellent nor does it call for that hyped up sentence from TCD.

My original point was about someone comparing him with Puyol ffs, a mainstay in arguably the best passing team of all time.

12 games, not 6.

In fact, he's played about 30 games for us as a defender and never really looked like a poor one since breaking through. I think the hoofing nonsense comes from those who wrongly wrote him off wanting to save face a bit.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:13:52 pm
Bit of a weird opinion, like, KI. Man U and Chelsea dominated the PL for 7 season while semi-frequently 'hoofing' it. It's hardly a major issue that one defender defends consistently well and hits it long under pressure.

He hits it long when he isn't, he hits it long a lot, that's a major issue. He's done well so far defensively in what? 6 games? That doesn't make him excellent nor does it call for that hyped up sentence from TCD.

My original point was about someone comparing him with Puyol ffs, a mainstay in arguably the best passing team of all time.

12 games, not 6.

In fact, he's played about 30 games for us as a defender and never really looked like a poor one since breaking through. I think the hoofing nonsense comes from those who wrongly wrote him off wanting to save face a bit.

I disagree and I can argue a point without you referring to me in the collective third person and creating a reason for my opinion other than that I've watched him, don't rate him and think that he hoofs it a lot. I'd be the first to say if I was wrong about a player, I've done it a few times. I don't see anything in Dummett to suggest that it's anything more than good form, in a team in good form, he's still a basic player that offers little other than being average at defending.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:20:21 pm
Hes a poor left back in my opinion, apart from the odd game hes always looked bad there but since moving into the CB position he really does look like hes found his calling and that's the only position he should play going forward.

Providing his performances continue to be good him and Colo should be the CB pairing and Haidara should remain in the LB position no matter what, hes class and seems to be forgotten about due to Dummett, Abeid, Sammy, Perez etc... doing so well.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:24:50 pm
Yeah, he looks a lot better in the centre.  Keep him there with Colo and that gives us 4 CBs, 2 LBs and 1 RB (suppose vurn can cover that spot if he's finished playing hide and seek with Chucky)。  Not bad all told, especially if we can trade in bantz and / or Willo for someone better in January.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andymc1 on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:38:31 pm
He's improved greatly. He's never a left back. I still don't think he's good enough, long term, for the PL.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:40:00 pm
f***ing ronaldo :lol:

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:44:42 pm
KI you are criticising Dummett for the sake of it. You are desperate to criticise him and as such you've gone the hoof angle - which shows how good he's actually been at defending as a CB.

He's always been pretty solid at FB except against Navas who horribly exposed his lack of athleticism. But at CB he's  been very solid. Shown the ability to sniff out danger, puts his body on the line and is very committed without going all Saylor. And he's like a magnet to an aerial ball.

Defensively speaking he's impressed me more than MYM ever did as CB for us during this little run.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:46:21 pm
He's improved greatly. He's never a left back. I still don't think he's good enough, long term, for the PL.
I have my concerns too. You feel like he's playing at 100% of his capability. Winning pretty much every key tackle and header he commits.

Hats off to him for playing like his NUFC CB career has depended on it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:48:50 pm
Meanwhile MYM is playing for France and starting for one of the best teams in Italy and not looking out of place st all.

You do like to talk some utter nonsense at times.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:49:59 pm
He's done well in this spell at centre half, but he was appalling when he played at centre half against Sunderland so I am not yet convinced that he's quite as good as some are making out.

There is absolutely no way that he should be starting ahead of Haidara at left back though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:54:14 pm
KI you are criticising Dummett for the sake of it. You are desperate to criticise him and as such you've gone the hoof angle - which shows how good he's actually been at defending as a CB.

He's always been pretty solid at FB except against Navas who horribly exposed his lack of athleticism. But at CB he's  been very solid. Shown the ability to sniff out danger, puts his body on the line and is very committed without going all Saylor. And he's like a magnet to an aerial ball.

Defensively speaking he's impressed me more than MYM ever did as CB for us during this little run.

What the f*** are you talking about? :lol:

I brought up an anecdote about someone saying that he's an excellent player (which he isn't, to which my main point is that a player that hoofs it whether they're under pressure or not can never be excellent) and he then compared him to Puyol, which of course is f***ing insane.

Everything is always just the smallest platform for you to spout your matter-of-fact/everyone-listen-to-my-opinion-because-this-is-how-it-is rhetoric. It's tiresome.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 03:55:55 pm
Steven Taylor looked incredibly comfortable at CB when we had our run at the beginning of 2011/2012. In fact baring Chelsea and QPR Ryan "David Beckham" Taylor looked comfortable at LB.

It's the product of a stable defence. Not that I have any real opinion on Dummett like, I just know that when we finally crumble and start conceding 3 a game again he'll be lynched.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:00:33 pm
We've deviated so far from the Pardew narrative that Summer starting games is no longer allowed to be questioned. I wonder if this has anything to do with Ronaldo being on record saying Haidara is the worst fb he's ever seen or whatever.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:04:08 pm
Meanwhile MYM is playing for France and starting for one of the best teams in Italy and not looking out of place st all.

You do like to talk some utter nonsense at times.
Strictly talking about his limited performances at CB for us. I gather he's doing tremendously well in Italy.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:10:55 pm
Steven Taylor looked incredibly comfortable at CB when we had our run at the beginning of 2011/2012. In fact baring Chelsea and QPR Ryan "David Beckham" Taylor looked comfortable at LB.

It's the product of a stable defence. Not that I have any real opinion on Dummett like, I just know that when we finally crumble and start conceding 3 a game again he'll be lynched.

Saylor is a capable defender on his day but i've seen him have many a 'mare at CB. Limited appearances aye but Dummett has only ever looked a competent CB.

Ryan Taylor was absolutely woeful the first few games at LB. QPR in particular - and he had Jonas covering for him.

I've little time for Dummett the fullback but medium-term i'd like to see him have a decent run in the side.

KI - I don't know what you're talking about. You dislike how I write but it is a fact Paul Dummett has only ever looked a solid CB for us. Excellent player is obviously excessive but you can be a very good PL CB and be pretty limited on the ball.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:28:37 pm
Bit of a weird opinion, like, KI. Man U and Chelsea dominated the PL for 7 season while semi-frequently 'hoofing' it. It's hardly a major issue that one defender defends consistently well and hits it long under pressure.

He hits it long when he isn't, he hits it long a lot, that's a major issue. He's done well so far defensively in what? 6 games? That doesn't make him excellent nor does it call for that hyped up sentence from TCD.

My original point was about someone comparing him with Puyol ffs, a mainstay in arguably the best passing team of all time.

12 games, not 6.

In fact, he's played about 30 games for us as a defender and never really looked like a poor one since breaking through. I think the hoofing nonsense comes from those who wrongly wrote him off wanting to save face a bit.

I disagree and I can argue a point without you referring to me in the collective third person and creating a reason for my opinion other than that I've watched him, don't rate him and think that he hoofs it a lot. I'd be the first to say if I was wrong about a player, I've done it a few times. I don't see anything in Dummett to suggest that it's anything more than good form, in a team in good form, he's still a basic player that offers little other than being average at defending.

What stops him from being good at defending then?

It's just bitter guff, all the time.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:51:59 pm
Bit of a weird opinion, like, KI. Man U and Chelsea dominated the PL for 7 season while semi-frequently 'hoofing' it. It's hardly a major issue that one defender defends consistently well and hits it long under pressure.

He hits it long when he isn't, he hits it long a lot, that's a major issue. He's done well so far defensively in what? 6 games? That doesn't make him excellent nor does it call for that hyped up sentence from TCD.

My original point was about someone comparing him with Puyol ffs, a mainstay in arguably the best passing team of all time.

12 games, not 6.

In fact, he's played about 30 games for us as a defender and never really looked like a poor one since breaking through. I think the hoofing nonsense comes from those who wrongly wrote him off wanting to save face a bit.

I disagree and I can argue a point without you referring to me in the collective third person and creating a reason for my opinion other than that I've watched him, don't rate him and think that he hoofs it a lot. I'd be the first to say if I was wrong about a player, I've done it a few times. I don't see anything in Dummett to suggest that it's anything more than good form, in a team in good form, he's still a basic player that offers little other than being average at defending.

What stops him from being good at defending then?

It's just bitter guff, all the time.

:lol:

What am I bitter about? I've just watched him and I don't think he's very good, there's no ulterior motive or any other reason than his footballing ability or lack thereof. What are you suggesting my reasons outside of that are?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:54:02 pm
That you wrote him off and it's easier to find trivial criticism than hold your hands up.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:58:31 pm
Hold my hands up to what? I still don't think he's very good, he's played well and he's in good form, I dunno why that means I have to accept that this is who he is now, when I can tell who he is from the way that he plays even when he's playing well.

As if you're talking about people holding their hands up. :lol: You genuinely never ever do that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ndegwa on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 04:59:50 pm
 :slap:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 05:12:22 pm
Hold my hands up to what? I still don't think he's very good, he's played well and he's in good form, I dunno why that means I have to accept that this is who he is now, when I can tell who he is from the way that he plays even when he's playing well.

As if you're talking about people holding their hands up. :lol: You genuinely never ever do that.

I have.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BottledDog on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 05:17:28 pm
:slap:

(http://i.imgur.com/TnMdYhE.gif)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 09:09:37 pm
Hold my hands up to what? I still don't think he's very good, he's played well and he's in good form, I dunno why that means I have to accept that this is who he is now, when I can tell who he is from the way that he plays even when he's playing well.

As if you're talking about people holding their hands up. :lol: You genuinely never ever do that.

I have.

Nah, you just won't go the player's thread until he has a bad game again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 25 November 2014, 10:32:38 pm
I've no idea what that's a reference to. Presumably you're still wounded that I was right about Tiote and Coloccini.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 12:23:30 am
Y'know how people were rightly embarrassed about the whole mentioning of Beckham in the Ryan Taylor debate?

Yesterday someone mentioned that the reason we'd been doing so well was because of Janmaat and Dummett and described them both as 'excellent players'

I said that it was over the top and although Dummett had done a job admirably well, he's still a defender that hoofs it and a defender that does that when under the slightest bit of pressure can never really be described as excellent.

The guy brought up a comparison to back up the idea that excellent players hoof it...you ready?...Carlos Puyol. :spit:
This happens me a lot too. This is a very reasonable post and I agree Dummett is not an excellent player, he has played well at centre half for us though and I also think the guy comparing his hoofing to Puyol is funny. However since this very fair opinion people are jumping on KI thinking that he said Dummett was s*** when he said nothing of the sort.

Similarly I have a post where I say Samaras isn't an utterly s*** footballer and all of a sudden people think my opinion is that Samaras is some kind of great footballer when he clearly isn't.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: buzza on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 08:16:22 am
Steven Taylor looked incredibly comfortable at CB when we had our run at the beginning of 2011/2012. In fact baring Chelsea and QPR Ryan "David Beckham" Taylor looked comfortable at LB.

It's the product of a stable defence. Not that I have any real opinion on Dummett like, I just know that when we finally crumble and start conceding 3 a game again he'll be lynched.

Saylor is a capable defender on his day but i've seen him have many a 'mare at CB. Limited appearances aye but Dummett has only ever looked a competent CB.

Ryan Taylor was absolutely woeful the first few games at LB. QPR in particular - and he had Jonas covering for him.

I've little time for Dummett the fullback but medium-term i'd like to see him have a decent run in the side.

KI - I don't know what you're talking about. You dislike how I write but it is a fact Paul Dummett has only ever looked a solid CB for us. Excellent player is obviously excessive but you can be a very good PL CB and be pretty limited on the ball.
Saylor is a good defender except when he has those "doh" moments of his, it is mainly his stupid mistakes (that happen 1 in 3) that stop him from being a real quality player.
Dummet looks more comfortable in central defence than at fullback and add to this that haidara is doing so well, my first central pairing would be Colo and dummet, with stevie close behind...
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: aussiemag on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 08:21:45 am
Steven Taylor looked incredibly comfortable at CB when we had our run at the beginning of 2011/2012. In fact baring Chelsea and QPR Ryan "David Beckham" Taylor looked comfortable at LB.

It's the product of a stable defence. Not that I have any real opinion on Dummett like, I just know that when we finally crumble and start conceding 3 a game again he'll be lynched.

Saylor is a capable defender on his day but i've seen him have many a 'mare at CB. Limited appearances aye but Dummett has only ever looked a competent CB.

Ryan Taylor was absolutely woeful the first few games at LB. QPR in particular - and he had Jonas covering for him.

I've little time for Dummett the fullback but medium-term i'd like to see him have a decent run in the side.

KI - I don't know what you're talking about. You dislike how I write but it is a fact Paul Dummett has only ever looked a solid CB for us. Excellent player is obviously excessive but you can be a very good PL CB and be pretty limited on the ball.
Saylor is a good defender except when he has those "doh" moments of his, it is mainly his stupid mistakes (that happen 1 in 3) that stop him from being a real quality player.
Dummet looks more comfortable in central defence than at fullback and add to this that haidara is doing so well, my first central pairing would be Colo and dummet, with stevie close behind...

Agreed. A left footer at left centre half is always a huge plus as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 08:57:35 am
I have a lot more time for Dummett at centre half and that's his future here. He's not what you need in a full back in the prem. He's a massive upgrade on Williamson as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 09:59:38 am
Given the way he was dominated by Fletcher in the derby (and the fact he hasn't got any taller since then) and isn't the quickest in the world, I'm rather worried about him dealing with Carroll (and Sakho or Valencia, if fit) at the weekend.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: hydeous on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 10:00:31 am
:slap:

(http://i.imgur.com/TnMdYhE.gif)

Oh man, this had me in stitches! I hadn't seen this before.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 10:22:35 am
Steven Taylor looked incredibly comfortable at CB when we had our run at the beginning of 2011/2012. In fact baring Chelsea and QPR Ryan "David Beckham" Taylor looked comfortable at LB.

It's the product of a stable defence. Not that I have any real opinion on Dummett like, I just know that when we finally crumble and start conceding 3 a game again he'll be lynched.

Saylor is a capable defender on his day but i've seen him have many a 'mare at CB. Limited appearances aye but Dummett has only ever looked a competent CB.

Ryan Taylor was absolutely woeful the first few games at LB. QPR in particular - and he had Jonas covering for him.

I've little time for Dummett the fullback but medium-term i'd like to see him have a decent run in the side.

KI - I don't know what you're talking about. You dislike how I write but it is a fact Paul Dummett has only ever looked a solid CB for us. Excellent player is obviously excessive but you can be a very good PL CB and be pretty limited on the ball.

Is it? Ah alright then, I stand corrected, didn't realise it was an irrefutable fact.  :rolleyes: You created an argument out of me saying that he's neither excellent nor Carlos Puyol. Someone saying that something isn't black, doesn't automatically mean that they think it's white.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 10:23:32 am
Given the way he was dominated by Fletcher in the derby (and the fact he hasn't got any taller since then) and isn't the quickest in the world, I'm rather worried about him dealing with Carroll (and Sakho or Valencia, if fit) at the weekend.
Aerially while not the biggest he attacks the ball very well. I don't think Fistpumps or Colo are any better in the air.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 11:03:05 am
A defender that's good at defending is something that should be praised, not written off as limited. He's an excellent 'penalty box' defender at this stage and appears to be very good at tackling, heading and clearing away balls into our box. Where he isn't as good is dealing with situations around 25/30 yards from goal, where clever strikers back in, come deep and move wide. This will only get better with experience so to say he's peaked is pretty ridiculous, especially for a position like Centre Back, where a great deal of the skills learned are mental.

He has the instincts of a defender though, personally I never saw that from Yanga-Mbiwa. By that I mean the ability to see danger and take action to prevent it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 11:09:30 am
He has the instincts of a defender though, personally I never saw that from Yanga-Mbiwa. By that I mean the ability to see danger and take action to prevent it.
Ah but he's doing it for Roma & France. Just ignore everything you've seen with your two eyes.

I will say MYM looked like a world-beater for 20 minutes against Bayern that first game.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 11:31:14 am
Really reluctant to bite on this, but are people genuinely suggesting that Paul Dummett is a better centre half than MYM?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 11:37:05 am
I don't mind Dummett as centre back, seems a pretty decent lad and has the added bonus of not being as offensive as Steven Taylor
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 11:37:11 am

He has the instincts of a defender though, personally I never saw that from Yanga-Mbiwa. By that I mean the ability to see danger and take action to prevent it.

Literally the worst thing I've seen written about MYM tbh
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 11:54:50 am

He has the instincts of a defender though, personally I never saw that from Yanga-Mbiwa. By that I mean the ability to see danger and take action to prevent it.

Literally the worst thing I've seen written about MYM tbh

I'll explain my reasonning then.

MYM as a footballer and defender has a great deal of talent, that much is clear. Put him in a one on one situation where someone runs at him, he has the pace and judgement to come away with the ball and pass/play his way out.

Where I think he struggled / struggles is dealing with situations inside the penalty area, letting his man go a yard or two, or making poor decisions whether to come across / hold his position.

Personally I think he's a pretty unique defender and would be ideally suited to a Barcelona/Bayern type of posession football where the defending involves more of the former than the latter.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 12:13:06 pm
Really reluctant to bite on this, but are people genuinely suggesting that Paul Dummett is a better centre half than MYM?
No. But purely looking at performances as a CB at NUFC - Dummett's 3 games at CB are as impressive as any 3 from MYM. And that's without having the shockers in memory.

Defensively speaking Dummett is looking like Mr. Fundamentals.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 12:15:51 pm

He has the instincts of a defender though, personally I never saw that from Yanga-Mbiwa. By that I mean the ability to see danger and take action to prevent it.

Literally the worst thing I've seen written about MYM tbh

I'll explain my reasonning then.

MYM as a footballer and defender has a great deal of talent, that much is clear. Put him in a one on one situation where someone runs at him, he has the pace and judgement to come away with the ball and pass/play his way out.

Where I think he struggled / struggles is dealing with situations inside the penalty area, letting his man go a yard or two, or making poor decisions whether to come across / hold his position.

Personally I think he's a pretty unique defender and would be ideally suited to a Barcelona/Bayern type of posession football where the defending involves more of the former than the latter.
I don't think he's unique - at his best he looks like a world beater similar to Mangala or even Luiz. Some of the passes from Mangala yesterday where brilliant. I believe one might've initiated the attack for the penalty. The issue is around sniffing out danger and just the fundamentals of defending. Mangala I think is just adapting to the league and Luiz is just an eccentric human-being.

MYM never really got the chance to adapt as a CB in our division.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 26 November 2014, 12:48:12 pm
A defender that's good at defending is something that should be praised, not written off as limited. He's an excellent 'penalty box' defender at this stage and appears to be very good at tackling, heading and clearing away balls into our box. Where he isn't as good is dealing with situations around 25/30 yards from goal, where clever strikers back in, come deep and move wide. This will only get better with experience so to say he's peaked is pretty ridiculous, especially for a position like Centre Back, where a great deal of the skills learned are mental.

This is exactly it. And people like KI are bright enough to know it, too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Thursday 27 November 2014, 12:26:18 am
Without talking about his limited ability with a football, which I'm sure even the most stout Dummett fan would admit, can anyone name a "bad" game he's had, or absolutely massive f***-up he's made directing in a goal against?

I'm coming up with the Sunderland away game, his first league start, where Fletcher bossed him for the opener. That's about it, really.

I said this last season and I'll say it again: there are players who are far more culpable, who are far more experienced, and they get nowhere near the amount of stick that this fella does when things aren't going so well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 27 November 2014, 02:26:42 am
KI you are criticising Dummett for the sake of it. You are desperate to criticise him and as such you've gone the hoof angle - which shows how good he's actually been at defending as a CB.

He's always been pretty solid at FB except against Navas who horribly exposed his lack of athleticism. But at CB he's  been very solid. Shown the ability to sniff out danger, puts his body on the line and is very committed without going all Saylor. And he's like a magnet to an aerial ball.

Defensively speaking he's impressed me more than MYM ever did as CB for us during this little run.

:lol: woof
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Thursday 27 November 2014, 08:17:03 am
That "tackle" on Suarez for one.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 27 November 2014, 10:22:18 am
If Dummett put in the kind of displays MYM or Colo have and gotten away with little criticism from - he would be slaughtered.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: thenorthumbrian on Thursday 27 November 2014, 12:15:31 pm
If Dummett put in the kind of displays MYM or Colo have and gotten away with little criticism from - he would be slaughtered.

Dummett has palyed well recently, he just sets out to defend and has done it well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nufc4eva on Thursday 27 November 2014, 12:36:44 pm
He's looked very good in the centre, and defensively solid at left back just not adventurous or technical enough. Don't mind him being in team as long as Haidara is
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 27 November 2014, 10:31:26 pm
Without talking about his limited ability with a football, which I'm sure even the most stout Dummett fan would admit, can anyone name a "bad" game he's had, or absolutely massive f***-up he's made directing in a goal against?

I'm coming up with the Sunderland away game, his first league start, where Fletcher bossed him for the opener. That's about it, really.

I said this last season and I'll say it again: there are players who are far more culpable, who are far more experienced, and they get nowhere near the amount of stick that this fella does when things aren't going so well.

Bang on. But weak minded people need their whipping boys and their love interests. It'll never change.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Thursday 27 November 2014, 10:35:16 pm
People having different opinions doesn't make them weak minded.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 27 November 2014, 10:37:45 pm
Clearly nobody said it did. Going exclusively after easy targets for the sake of it makes them weak minded.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Thursday 27 November 2014, 10:44:13 pm
How is Dummett an easy target?  If anything, I would think he gets more leeway because he's local.  I think people watch him play and don't think he is that good.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 27 November 2014, 10:58:31 pm
If they watch a young defender who defends consistently well and conclude he isn't 'that good', they're really not worth your rationalisation or anyone else's.

More leeway because he's local. Historically that's always been the case on here, like. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Friday 28 November 2014, 12:17:30 am
On here without a doubt leeway goes to foreign players who are out of the team, Marveaux, MYM and Santon are the recent beneficiaries who come to mind.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: oldtype on Friday 28 November 2014, 03:28:32 am
Pardew seems to like him so everybody hates him, that's it really.

He's a fine, average Premiership standard defender. The next Steven Taylor. (Hopefully sans injuries)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pip on Friday 28 November 2014, 04:32:06 am
He looks like he'll end up being better than Taylor purely because he's got the ability to stay fit.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 28 November 2014, 05:43:08 am
This foreigners over local lads stuff is bollocks like. People just don't think he's an effective left back in the attacking sense. Not that it really matters, I for one am happy we have a decent local prospect for centre half.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Friday 28 November 2014, 08:12:13 am
On here without a doubt leeway goes to foreign players who are out of the team, Marveaux, MYM and Santon are the recent beneficiaries who come to mind.
100 % spot on.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 28 November 2014, 08:16:26 am
On here without a doubt leeway goes to foreign players who are out of the team, Marveaux, MYM and Santon are the recent beneficiaries who come to mind.
100 % spot on.



All of who, are better with the ball at the feet/more creative than their peers/replacements. That's the (valid) criticism, not because they are foreign. Dummett needs an extended run at CB. That's his future. If he can play as a full back once in blue moon too then so be it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Friday 28 November 2014, 08:24:08 am
Aye, I hated Andy Carroll and I can't stand Adam Armstrong! It's utter nonsense and incredibly childish to suggest that it's for any other reason than their football ability.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Friday 28 November 2014, 10:35:02 am
On here without a doubt leeway goes to foreign players who are out of the team, Marveaux, MYM and Santon are the recent beneficiaries who come to mind.
100 % spot on.



All of who, are better with the ball at the feet/more creative than their peers/replacements. That's the (valid) criticism, not because they are foreign. Dummett needs an extended run at CB. That's his future. If he can play as a full back once in blue moon too then so be it.

The way people went on about Marveaux was like we had Messi sitting on the bench. He would get a nice assist once or twice a season and then meander about the pitch the rest of the time not giving a s***. Add to that he was beyond s**** everytime he played on the wing.

Look, I hate Pardew with all my blood, but Marv was a marginal, luxury player who was simply not cut out to play 90 mins at this level.

It's a similar thing now with Santon, when Haidara/Dummett put in below average performances at LB (Southampton game in particular), we see posts proclaiming Santon as some sort of saviour, which he is not.   
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 28 November 2014, 10:38:37 am
But it's a perfectly valid opinion to think that both Haidara and Santon are better LBs than Dummett.  It's nothing at all to do with nationality.  I can't understand why you would think anyone would unfavourably judge a local player because they are local.  It's completely nonsensical.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: loki679 on Friday 28 November 2014, 10:38:38 am
Wasn't Marveaux our top assist maker in that s*** season?

edit:  I should add that i've never been convinced by him.  He looks good now and again but I don't think he has what it takes to compete in this league.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Friday 28 November 2014, 10:49:39 am
But it's a perfectly valid opinion to think that both Haidara and Santon are better LBs than Dummett.  It's nothing at all to do with nationality.  I can't understand why you would think anyone would unfavourably judge a local player because they are local.  It's completely nonsensical.

I don't disagree with you they they are both more talented footballers than Dummett, but there is a 'grass is always greener' tendency to remember absent players as being much better than they actually are.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 28 November 2014, 11:28:15 am
Marveux is a more direct player than colback/Anita or Tiote, who, all of different nationalities are not as direct or/positive with the ball. It's about what people want from certain positions and jack buggery to do with local or not. On the flip side, look at the frenzy there is when we have a local number 9; even though it shouldn't and doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 28 November 2014, 04:00:22 pm
But it's a perfectly valid opinion to think that both Haidara and Santon are better LBs than Dummett. 

It's probably worth considering that Dummett's the best defender of the 3 and has more goals for NUFC than the other two combined in their entire careers.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 28 November 2014, 04:03:35 pm
But it's a perfectly valid opinion to think that both Haidara and Santon are better LBs than Dummett. 

It's probably worth considering that Dummett's the best defender of the 3 and has more goals for NUFC than the other two combined in their entire careers.



It is worth considering. So are the counter-arguments. CB please. He can still chip in with a header.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 28 November 2014, 04:37:21 pm
On here there's a penchant for "fancy dans". I think that's just it. We have a manager on the opposite spectrum who is unpopular.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: optimistic nit on Friday 28 November 2014, 09:12:24 pm
Pardew seems to like him so everybody hates him, that's it really.

He's a fine, average Premiership standard defender. The next Steven Taylor. (Hopefully sans injuries)

Really don't see how you can say this after he's played only half a dozen games for us. Looked solid when I've seen him play and he doesn't seem to have Steven Taylor's kamakazee streak. Who knows how he'll develop but personally I'm quite excited to see how he does this season as we have conceded significantly less goals since he was moved to centre back, and I don't think thats a coincidence (although Williamson being dropped has been part of it).
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jordan on Saturday 29 November 2014, 12:38:57 pm
I can't stand him at fullback as he has no attacking instincts or footballing ability. At centre back though he looks much more comfortable as he can just defend and nothing else. Full back is a hell of a lot more than a defensive position and Dummett doesn't have the ability to play there. It's got nothing to do with where he's from.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Saturday 6 December 2014, 02:53:43 pm
Really solid defender. Still think Haidara should start against the teams we should beat but Dummett is a good option for games like today. Also doesn't hoof as much anymore
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: durhamunigeordie on Saturday 6 December 2014, 02:54:43 pm
Hopefully will start at CB again with Haidara next to him next week. He's definitely winning me over.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 6 December 2014, 02:55:43 pm
Most improved player this season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:24:41 pm
Should start every game at CB next to Colo.

Improving all the time and has turned into a very reliable PL defender. Good on him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:25:59 pm
He was excellent today I thought.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:26:49 pm
He did very well today, solid as f***. I'd now move him to CB again in the absence of Kamikaze Bantaylor and reinstate Haidara.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:26:55 pm
Put the lock-down on Hazard, Willian and Oscar whenever they were near him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: antz1uk on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:29:53 pm
reallyhope he doesn't start with willo next week and keep him at left back
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:38:28 pm
I love when there is a free kick or a cross lumped into our box, because I know the next thing I will hear is "Cleared away by Dummett".

He should play CB though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:42:06 pm
He was excellent today I thought.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 6 December 2014, 03:44:44 pm
He's a CB for me; and next to Colo when fit until he proves otherwise. I actually LIKE him at CB tbh.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 6 December 2014, 04:26:39 pm
Was canny, although should have done a lot better on Drogba for that goal.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Saturday 6 December 2014, 08:47:23 pm
Very close to man of the match today I thought.
Was excellent.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 6 December 2014, 09:32:51 pm
Getting better all the time. Santon will struggle to displace him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 6 December 2014, 09:34:38 pm
I think he's got the LB spot permanently now, like. No chance Santon, as good as he sometimes is going forward, displaces an important part of a solid defence.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 6 December 2014, 09:37:08 pm
He should be CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andymc1 on Saturday 6 December 2014, 09:39:15 pm
He's growing on me. By no means the finished article, but I have to admit that I may have been wrong in my early assessment of him. Happy to admit that and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 6 December 2014, 09:52:23 pm
Well said.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gino14 on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:00:54 pm
I wrote him off as being poor as well.  The run at CB has definitely helped him and I think he's a lot better there, but he was more than competent today at full back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:11:26 pm
Was canny, although should have done a lot better on Drogba for that goal.

I think that's the only thing which counts against him as a long term CB.He's got a great leap, but up against a big forward who is good in the air he will sometimes get overpowered.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:12:27 pm
I find it hard to condemn defenders for losing to drogba in aerial duels mind, he won every one he was involved in, we'd have lost today if Mourinho had started him and costa upfront together from the start.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:16:27 pm
I find it hard to condemn defenders for losing to drogba in aerial duels mind, he won every one he was involved in, we'd have lost today if Mourinho had started him and costa upfront together from the start.

It's the same for defenders like Colo and Mbiwa though. They will win most aerial tussles due to their timing, but there will always be a point where a bigger forward will just win one that counts. It's why I've always felt that we need a big commanding CB to play alongside Colo or previously Mbiwa.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:31:07 pm
How tall is he? About 6ft? He's very decent in the air for a small-ish CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:32:45 pm
How tall is he? About 6ft? He's very decent in the air a small-ish CB.
5'8 according to google
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:34:41 pm
:lol: 5 ft 8, don't be daft man.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:35:41 pm
He's 183cm according to the official site, which is 6 ft. That seems accurate.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 6 December 2014, 10:38:48 pm
He's 183cm according to the official site, which is 6 ft. That seems accurate.
Aye but he's 5ft 8 when he hunches. Glad he's proving us all wrong, like. Except Ronaldo of course.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: thenorthumbrian on Monday 8 December 2014, 12:52:00 pm
Was canny, although should have done a lot better on Drogba for that goal.

I think that's the only thing which counts against him as a long term CB.He's got a great leap, but up against a big forward who is good in the air he will sometimes get overpowered.

To be fair there probably not many defenders throughout world football  who haven't been done in the air by Drogba one or twice.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 8 December 2014, 02:09:54 pm
For the bigger sides we need his solidity at fullback in the short term. Eventually i'd like to see him permanently at CB and Haidara improving at fullback.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Monday 8 December 2014, 02:13:44 pm
He's been very good, of late. I wouldn't be playing him as a full back for a lot of games but I don't see an issue with him playing at centre half.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Aiston on Thursday 1 January 2015, 05:41:11 pm
After seeing that own goal, he certainly takes 'special' to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mick on Thursday 1 January 2015, 05:46:17 pm
He's got to be one of the worst left backs we've had when he plays like he did today, that performance was as bad as you'll ever see.  Again, like Alnwick, we did nothing about it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: duo on Thursday 1 January 2015, 06:55:37 pm
He's got to be one of the worst left backs we've had when he plays like he did today, that performance was as bad as you'll ever see.  Again, like Alnwick, we did nothing about it.
Lacks the pace to be a LB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Thursday 1 January 2015, 06:58:42 pm
Paul Dumbet
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Thursday 1 January 2015, 07:01:27 pm
Wicked slime football goal
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Joe_F on Saturday 17 January 2015, 07:37:36 pm
That header from six yards out, man
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Saturday 17 January 2015, 07:41:19 pm
Wicked slime football goal
:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: buzza on Wednesday 11 February 2015, 04:37:18 pm
Is he injured or has he travelled down to London? Would much rather him next to colo...
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Wednesday 11 February 2015, 05:40:44 pm
Is he injured or has he travelled down to London? Would much rather him next to colo...
He was on the bench and warming up pitchside on Saturday.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 11 February 2015, 05:41:15 pm
Hopefully he starts ahead of Willo, can't see it though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 11 February 2015, 11:09:33 pm
He'll definitely start like. Just don't know who for.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 11 February 2015, 11:15:50 pm
Surely even Carver can't have missed how bad WilliMson was.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 13 February 2015, 03:39:28 pm
http://www.freebets.org.uk/blog/top-5-underrated-premier-league-players


Included. Alongside the likes of Ki & Joel Ward.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ash on Friday 13 February 2015, 03:41:08 pm
freebets.org.uk
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Friday 13 February 2015, 04:17:09 pm
He's been pretty solid this season, in fairness. Only his second season as a PL player and he's been reasonably consistent too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: STM on Friday 13 February 2015, 04:54:23 pm
Good defender.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 05:04:26 pm
His size aside there's nothing to think he won't make one hell of a CB with time, coaching and the right partner.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Friday 13 February 2015, 05:31:49 pm
His size aside there's nothing to think he won't make one hell of a CB with time, coaching and the right partner.
:yao:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 13 February 2015, 06:53:33 pm
His size aside there's nothing to think he won't make one hell of a CB with time, coaching and the right partner.

You're kidding me. With the right coaching, partner and plenty of time, he can become an adequate, average, regular Premiership defender who can start a few games on the run and deputize for better CBs when required. There is absolutely f*** all to suggest he would be come "one hell" of anything. Just compare him to other "one hell" of CBs his age, and you'll find names like Woodgate, Rio and MYM, who in flashes looked miles beyond their years at that age.

Dummett has always looked like there is an average, mediocre player in there somewhere. We need to be a little more realistic here and aim a lot higher when it comes to snagging quality CBs for our club.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: tgarve on Friday 13 February 2015, 06:58:27 pm
His size aside there's nothing to think he won't make one hell of a CB with time, coaching and the right partner.

You're kidding me. With the right coaching, partner and plenty of time, he can become an adequate, average, regular Premiership defender who can start a few games on the run and deputize for better CBs when required. There is absolutely f*** all to suggest he would be come "one hell" of anything. Just compare him to other "one hell" of CBs his age, and you'll find names like Woodgate, Rio and MYM, who in flashes looked miles beyond their years at that age.

Dummett has always looked like there is an average, mediocre player in there somewhere. We need to be a little more realistic here and aim a lot higher when it comes to snagging quality CBs for our club.

Said- f***ing well said! 10 years ago we wouldn't have to accept at best a 4th choice starting so why now
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 06:59:18 pm
His size aside there's nothing to think he won't make one hell of a CB with time, coaching and the right partner.

You're kidding me. With the right coaching, partner and plenty of time, he can become an adequate, average, regular Premiership defender who can start a few games on the run and deputize for better CBs when required.

He's 23, man. You're basically suggesting he'll do nothing but stagnate and even regress from this point. Brainless.


We need to be a little more realistic here and aim a lot higher when it comes to snagging quality CBs for our club.

Yeah, snagging quality CBs for 'our' club sounds completely realistic.  :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Friday 13 February 2015, 07:17:03 pm
http://www.freebets.org.uk/blog/top-5-underrated-premier-league-players


Included. Alongside the likes of Ki & Joel Ward.

Joel Ward was good on Wednesday. Better than I've ever saw Dummett play.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 13 February 2015, 07:34:27 pm
Absolutely no way Dummett could ever become 'one hell of a centre back' - almost regardless of he is paired with or coached by.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 07:38:50 pm
Mong of the week the competition on here, like. I think people have forgotten what a CB actually does after years of having ones that can't defend. Size and inexperience are the only things holding him back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 13 February 2015, 07:40:55 pm
I think it's probably ok for people to have differing opinions to yours without you calling them a mong.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Friday 13 February 2015, 07:44:46 pm
Aye, that's canny mean of you, Ronny.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 07:47:48 pm
It's the same old crap. Young local lad must be poor even though he's had very few bad games and does everything pretty well you'd want from a CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: tgarve on Friday 13 February 2015, 07:57:53 pm
It's the same old crap. Young local lad must be poor even though he's had very few bad games and does everything pretty well you'd want from a CB.

Not really- I think it's an honest assessment this guy will never be as good as what we need to get higher in the league.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:00:29 pm
Quite a ridiculous statement given that he's clearly already an improvement on what we're starting. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: tgarve on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:04:47 pm
Quite a ridiculous statement given that he's clearly already an improvement on what we're starting. :lol:

Not really its in regards to pushing forwards. And it's hard to gauge as fact what you have just said based on his around about 5 appearances at cb.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:06:45 pm
Not when the alternative is Mike Williamson.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:06:58 pm
It's the same old crap. Young local lad must be poor even though he's had very few bad games and does everything pretty well you'd want from a CB.

Who else has this been applied to btw given it's the same old crap?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:07:41 pm
I look at Dummett and don't see many, if any, of the attributes I want from a centre half (or certainly someone who could be labelled as being one hell of a centre half).  He isn't (as you have acknowledged) tall enough, he isn't strong enough and he isn't that good in the air.  He isn't very quick and I haven't seen anything from him to suggest that he is going to grow into a great reader of the game or a leader at the back.  Least importantly for me, he isn't comfortable on the ball.

I don't see many outstanding attributes for someone who is already 23.  Having said all that - I'd have him in the team over Williamson every day of the week.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:12:23 pm
Where has this lack of strength and aerial ability been apparent? You're just making things up now. He's certainly not slow, either. He's perfectly fine on the ball for a 23-year-old CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:13:47 pm
He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:19:48 pm
Where has this lack of strength and aerial ability been apparent? You're just making things up now. He's certainly not slow, either. He's perfectly fine on the ball for a 23-year-old CB.

I don't think he wins enough headers for a centre half in the PL - not sure I need to list a series of examples to hold this view (I suppose the glaring one was where a bang average Fletcher dominated him in the air all game).  And unlike peak Coloccini or the player MYM we know is, I don't think he has enough other outstanding attributes to make up for the fact he doesn't excel in any particular department (i.e. Colo's reading of the game and anticipation, MYM's speed etc).

We can agree to disagree about how comfortable he is on the ball.  I don't have much confidence in him when he has the ball at his feet.  At both LB and CB he often resorted to Williamson-esque hoofs.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:55:15 pm
Criticism for his first PL start. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: John Carvery on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:58:53 pm
Why the f*** did we sell Mapow Yanga Mbiya
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Friday 13 February 2015, 08:59:36 pm
Criticism for his first PL start. :lol:

Second start they are fair game though, right?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 09:16:39 pm
I have certainly never written a player off based on their first or second start in this league. Inexperience is never an acceptable excuse for lack of effort, mind.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: John Carvery on Friday 13 February 2015, 09:28:36 pm
I have certainly never written a player off based on their first or second start in this league. Inexperience is never an acceptable excuse for lack of effort, mind.

The Commander of player write-offs has spoken!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Friday 13 February 2015, 09:37:14 pm
He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have

Janmaat for me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 13 February 2015, 09:55:14 pm
Got no problem with him as first choice cb.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 13 February 2015, 10:18:04 pm
I have certainly never written a player off based on their first or second start in this league. Inexperience is never an acceptable excuse for lack of effort, mind.

I haven't written off because of his first start - I just gave an example that sprang to mind.  I've watched enough of him to not rate him particularly highly.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 10:21:31 pm
The only example you can provide is his first PL start. He's never had games anywhere near as bad as Colo, Williamson, Taylor and MYM have in the past 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 13 February 2015, 11:10:03 pm
Name-calling notwithstanding, you've now pedaled back from "one hell of a centre back" to "take him any day over Willo, marrah!"

:lol:

Anyways, nobody is saying he's not better than Willo, all we took exception to was the aggrandizement of his supposed potential. At least personally-speaking, I reserve adjectives like "one hell of..." for special players who have shown something extraordinary or above average.

Like I said, if he carves out a decent career as a regularly-starting premier league CB, he and most of the fans will be pleased with how his career would've panned out.

Currently even that is looking unlikely.

And take your name calling somewhere else as nobody was being aggressive or defensive in this discussion.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 13 February 2015, 11:18:16 pm
He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have

Janmaat for me.
as an all round full back sure easily the best but imho Dummett is just a more solid defender
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 13 February 2015, 11:35:55 pm
He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have

Janmaat for me.
as an all round full back sure easily the best but imho Dummett is just a more solid defender

To what extent does 'solid' translate as 'limited'?  Haidara and Janmaat offer far more going forward and subsequently push higher up and take more risks.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Friday 13 February 2015, 11:45:34 pm
Dummet's positioning is awful, if he improves that then he can become a decent CB at best otherwise he will just be average
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 February 2015, 11:56:44 pm
Name-calling notwithstanding, you've now pedaled back from "one hell of a centre back" to "take him any day over Willo, marrah!"

I hope that's not aimed at me. Obviously he's currently better than Mike Williamson thus instantly improves the side as tgarve has questioned. He also has potential to improve. In my opinion to the standard I've mentioned. Not sure what the 'marrah' guff is in aid of, either.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 14 February 2015, 12:11:09 am
He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have

Janmaat for me.
as an all round full back sure easily the best but imho Dummett is just a more solid defender

To what extent does 'solid' translate as 'limited'?  Haidara and Janmaat offer far more going forward and subsequently push higher up and take more risks.
never disputed they offer more going forward (though for the record I think Janmaats a solid enough defender-trust him in a defensive sense a lot more than Debuchy who could be very rash leading to daft situations) but horses for courses, there are times when it makes more sense to play an attacking full back and other times when a more solid defender would be better suited and its the coach/managers job to judge those situations. Of coarse in an ideal world you'd have full backs who can do both very well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TruToon94 on Saturday 14 February 2015, 09:35:41 am
TBF I've never really seen him have a s**** match like Willo has been.... But he's never really had a good match. But let's be honest he wouldn't even be on the bench if the dipshits in charge of our club hadn't completely destroyed our defence (honestly this is the 2nd worst defence I've seen us have). As it stands Willo is pretty much losing us matches on his lonesome nowadays so I'd rather have Dummett have a go.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Turnbull2000 on Saturday 14 February 2015, 09:48:47 am
Dummet reportedly suffering a knee injury  :lol:


 :(
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ameritoon on Saturday 14 February 2015, 10:15:34 am
And as expected, down to two centerbacks
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Saturday 14 February 2015, 10:29:31 am
Mental
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 14 February 2015, 10:38:40 am
And as expected, down to two centerbacks
Serves them right. p*ss poor tight-arsed  planning was only going to have one outcome.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Saturday 14 February 2015, 11:20:05 am
Who's next in line? Satka? f*** me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 14 February 2015, 11:25:07 am
Yeah but it's fine JC explained the squad was too big to sign players tbh
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Saturday 14 February 2015, 12:12:46 pm
He's easily the best out and out defender at the club. Hope it's not a serious knee injury?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Varadi on Saturday 14 February 2015, 12:36:21 pm
And as expected, down to two centerbacks

Aye. And 1 left back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 14 February 2015, 12:48:42 pm
And as expected, down to two centerbacks

Aye. And 1 left back.

And 1 right back :anguish:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 14 February 2015, 06:24:13 pm
SELL ALL DA PLAYAZ
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 15 February 2015, 11:46:22 am
freebets.org.uk

Michael Cox of ZonalMarking.com wrote the article.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 15 February 2015, 11:58:06 am
Where has this lack of strength and aerial ability been apparent? You're just making things up now. He's certainly not slow, either. He's perfectly fine on the ball for a 23-year-old CB.

The criticism he gets is bewildering. He's better at attacking the ball in the air better than anyone else in our team. He looks unremarkable but rarely out strengthened. He's not fast but he's fast enough to be an adequate fullback he's probably fast enough to be a good centreback.

It includes games as a fullback but statistically aerial duals are a strength of Dummetts.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Andy84 on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 08:55:58 am
Apparently out until April
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 09:50:45 am
It's pretty disgusting that he's become a very important player.

Tiote at CB you already know.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BeloEmre on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 09:52:41 am
Tiote at CB you already know.
He's injured too  :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Roger Kint on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 09:53:11 am
Tiote at CB you already know.
He's injured too  :lol:

And would be horrific there anyway
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 10:05:22 am
Really hope either Willo or Colo picks up an injury or suspension now to see how Carver is going to try and squirm his way out of that pickle.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 10:07:47 am
Big Vurn at centre back
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 10:19:09 am
Could always put Cabella there with his height.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 10:19:30 am
Tiote at CB you already know.
He's injured too  :lol:

And would be horrific there anyway

Isn't he back soon? I can see Colo or Willo missing a game between now and April.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Roger Kint on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 10:20:09 am
Really hope either Willo or Colo picks up an injury or suspension now to see how Carver is going to try and squirm his way out of that pickle.

Given our run of upcoming games this is absolutely nailed to happen on for me. Wouldnt be shocked to see it on Saturday
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 10:32:45 am
Santon was probably the only one and he would be horrible there. Time to throw in a kid who isn't ready yet. Good stuff
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Aiston on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 05:06:25 pm
Sammy at CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 17 February 2015, 05:08:30 pm
Hope someone reminds John Carver he said he didn't need any new players the second he mentions injuries.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:01:35 am
Out for eight weeks according to the Gazette. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SteveMc on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:02:16 am
So 8 weeks then. Brilliant planning. Let's get Lamine Diatta
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: andyman on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:35:09 am
I can't help it, but I love this situation. Ahh, this club… What a circus :cheesy:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:49:33 am
Out for eight weeks according to the Gazette. :lol:
4 fit defenders is laughable.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Begbie on Thursday 19 February 2015, 09:00:11 am
where is Good he can come good now.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 09:07:36 am
Not good.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:00:43 am
So very inevitable.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:06:01 am
Who would've thought you'd need more than one player for each position? Crazy.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ndegwa on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:13:57 am
This club  :lol: :lol:

I wouldn't exactly have thought a year ago that an 8 week injury to wor Paul would affect our squad so much. Beyond annoying for me now, just humorous. Or that's at least how I feel after seeing this. I don't know anymore.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TBG on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:17:57 am
Whats Ronny Johnsen doing these days.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:22:07 am
Stuff like this used to appal me. Well I mean it still does, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the innumerable amount of other f***ups brought upon by negligence and penny-pinching. Getting what we deserve.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: healthyaddiction on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:38:50 am
To be fair, how could the club foresee such extreme circumstances as two players being injured. 
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 19 February 2015, 12:36:46 pm
Sweepstake on which one of our full backs will be moved to CB when one of the current ones breaks down? I'm going for Janmaat.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Thursday 19 February 2015, 12:41:44 pm
Carver is literally ailing our players. Extraordinary stuff.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 19 February 2015, 12:43:34 pm
Serves them right, shame for dummett but totally deserved for them
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: midds on Thursday 19 February 2015, 12:43:57 pm
Absolutely nailed on for a red card to Coloccini or Williamson on Saturday.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 12:55:23 pm
If Colback get another card, he has a two match ban also.

And no one gave a s***.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:21:20 pm
A few: 10-12 weeks. :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:31:01 pm
f*** this s***.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: midds on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:33:32 pm
Asked if he had requested any more players, Carver said: “No, because I had a group of players there I knew we could work with and who could get us to the end of the season.

“That was very important. If we had been really short of players, then that might have been a different situation.

“We’ve lost a player (Santon) because we had too many players to fit into the team.” 6th February.

Hope the press have got the bottle to bring this little beauty up in his next presser if Carver has the f***ing audacity to mention injuries.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mike on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:34:15 pm
:yao:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mosstef on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:35:32 pm
Sweepstake on which one of our full backs will be moved to CB when one of the current ones breaks down? I'm going for Janmaat.

I'm going for the big pile of money they have been saving on player wages. Still better than Saylor though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:39:57 pm
Asked if he had requested any more players, Carver said: “No, because I had a group of players there I knew we could work with and who could get us to the end of the season.

“That was very important. If we had been really short of players, then that might have been a different situation.

“We’ve lost a player (Santon) because we had too many players to fit into the team.” 6th February.

Hope the press have got the bottle to bring this little beauty up in his next presser if Carver has the f***ing audacity to mention injuries.

I don't understand why a manager would say anything like that even if he is happy with the squad. Just say something like "Any manager would like more players but I'm not involved in transfers".

Nobody will bring it up anyway I suppose, the press never seem to do that.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: reefatoon on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:41:06 pm
Sweepstake on which one of our full backs will be moved to CB when one of the current ones breaks down? I'm going for Janmaat.

I'm going for the big pile of money they have been saving on player wages. Still better than Saylor though.

This could just work, would be huge and would be a much better threat than Williamson on corners too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Roger Kint on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:42:45 pm
Seeing as we have the joint lowest win % of aerial duels(44%) then that pile of money would actually incease our chances
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:57:34 pm
As if they give a s***. They made their s*** decisions accounting for this.  No good saying they deserve it because they simply don't care.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: maybe_next_year on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:04:29 pm
Who exactly have we got left in defence in the reserves; Good? Satka? Even Streete and Mbabu arn't at the club at the moment.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TK-421 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:05:56 pm
Who exactly have we got left in defence in the reserves; Good? Satka? Even Streete and Mbabu arn't at the club at the moment.

Raylor will be back soon, man... he can literally play anywhere.  :snod:  :frantic:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:17:08 pm
Satka will start at least 8 games by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:17:34 pm
Play Taylor in a wheel chair, we can then loft balls into him from corners.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:19:12 pm
The number of weeks keeps growing  :lol:

The poor boy will be six feet under by days end.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:24:49 pm
Satka will start at least 8 games by the end of the season.

At least we don't have to face Morpeth again this season :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Heron on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:30:12 pm
So we have lost our best performing centre half of this season, for the season and don't have any senior cover for defence. Lush. Smooth moves.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:51:39 pm
I hope someone in the media has the balls to straight up ask Carver about our depth in defence now that Dummett is crocked. 
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:54:07 pm
Reckon our medical team is just a constant stream of

"Does it hurt when I do this?"
"No"
"How about now?"
"Yes"
"I've just detached your retina"
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Twinport53 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:54:11 pm
Imagine going 13 games without a single injury in defence.

Na, I can't either.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 19 February 2015, 03:55:40 pm
Reckon our medical team is just a constant stream of

"Does it hurt when I do this?"
"No"
"How about now?"
"Yes"
"I've just detached your retina"

:lol:

Does it hurt when Derek jumps on you like this?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: hakka on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:06:49 pm
I hope someone in the media has the balls to straight up ask Carver about our depth in defence now that Dummett is crocked.

He will get the opposite. Sympathy for being unlucky with injuries.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:29:58 pm
So, now that we've shipped out Streete, Santon and Yanga M'Biwa, our fit defenders (with cover per position) are:

Haidara     Coloccini   Williamson  Janmaat
 NONE         NONE        NONE        NONE
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ElDiablo on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:32:34 pm
:lol:

Get in. Tiote to centre back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:36:58 pm
Anita can cover RB to a reasonable level TBF. Not that he should be playing there.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Beren on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:37:58 pm
So, now that we've shipped out Streete, Santon and Yanga M'Biwa, our fit defenders (with cover per position) are:

Haidara     Coloccini   Williamson  Janmaat
 Anita         Tiote       Colback        Gouffran

FYP (in the eyes of Carver).
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:38:42 pm
:lol:

Get in. Tiote to centre back.

Isn't Tiote possibly out for the season with that knee injury he picked up in the AfCoN? :lol:

How's Anita at CB?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:39:44 pm
So, now that we've shipped out Streete, Santon and Yanga M'Biwa, our fit defenders (with cover per position) are:

Haidara     Coloccini   Williamson  Janmaat
 Anita         Tiote       Colback        Gouffran

FYP (in the eyes of Carver).

You're mad, there's no way Carver takes the beating heart of our midfield and plays him out of position.  Without Jack pulling the strings, where is our threat?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Heron on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:40:20 pm
Don't know why you're all so bothered. We're safe now man.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Beren on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:49:48 pm
So, now that we've shipped out Streete, Santon and Yanga M'Biwa, our fit defenders (with cover per position) are:

Haidara     Coloccini   Williamson  Janmaat
 Anita         Tiote       Colback        Gouffran

FYP (in the eyes of Carver).

You're mad, there's no way Carver takes the beating heart of our midfield and plays him out of position.  Without Jack pulling the strings, where is our threat?

(http://i2.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article1383643.ece/alternates/s615/sammy-ameobi-has-quickly-become-a-favourite-of-newcastle-united-s-supporters-72692290.jpg)

He's a Geordie. CHECK-MATE. QED.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Collage on Thursday 19 February 2015, 05:29:29 pm
So, now that we've shipped out Streete, Santon and Yanga M'Biwa, our fit defenders (with cover per position) are:

Haidara     Coloccini   Williamson  Janmaat
 NONE         NONE        NONE        NONE

Raylor is fit.  :hello2:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 19 February 2015, 05:31:19 pm
So, now that we've shipped out Streete, Santon and Yanga M'Biwa, our fit defenders (with cover per position) are:

Haidara     Coloccini   Williamson  Janmaat
 NONE         NONE        NONE        NONE
:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 19 February 2015, 05:31:37 pm
So, now that we've shipped out Streete, Santon and Yanga M'Biwa, our fit defenders (with cover per position) are:

Haidara     Coloccini   Williamson  Janmaat
 NONE         NONE        NONE        NONE

Raylor is fit.  :hello2:

Oh frabtuous day...
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Thursday 19 February 2015, 05:33:13 pm
Anita can cover RB to a reasonable level TBF. Not that he should be playing there.
Didn't Colback play as a fullback quite a few times for Sunderland as well?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Varadi on Thursday 19 February 2015, 05:36:29 pm
We can probably just about cope at full back with some combo of Raylor/Anita/Colback - it's centre half where we've genuinely no cover - Satka doesn't look anywhere near ready and Good is seemingly always injured.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Collage on Thursday 19 February 2015, 05:39:18 pm
Raylor can play CB as well. Versatility personified.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Thursday 19 February 2015, 06:49:34 pm
Raylor can play CB as well. Versatility personified.

He can play CB in the same way he claims to be able to play FB or CM.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:03:04 pm
Raylor can play CB as well. Versatility personified.

He can play CB in the same way he claims to be able to play FB or CM.

:lol: :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Collage on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:10:36 pm
Raylor can play CB as well. Versatility personified.

He can play CB in the same way he claims to be able to play FB or CM.

Or RM. Wherever you want him to be, Ryan will be there, being substandard.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Friday 10 April 2015, 01:11:37 pm
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20150410/dummett-steps-up-recovery_2281670_4628529
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Friday 10 April 2015, 02:20:18 pm
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052011/1304618376_tumbleweed-gif.gif)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Friday 10 April 2015, 04:32:17 pm
Been our second best defender, although thats not really saying much.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 10 April 2015, 04:34:55 pm
Dr Death Derek Wright strikes again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Friday 10 April 2015, 04:42:09 pm
They may as well say that everyone currently injured will be back next season, obviously nobody gives a s*** about playing.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SteveMc on Friday 10 April 2015, 04:54:54 pm
Good news this, innit?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: morla84 on Friday 10 April 2015, 04:56:54 pm
Forget the boycott, all is forgiven Dummy's back in training
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 10 April 2015, 07:52:50 pm
Good news this, innit?

Brilliant news. f***ing outstanding news. Our replacements are only the second worst set of defenders in the league.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: NEEJ on Friday 10 April 2015, 08:09:15 pm
The AshleyOut mob can forget it, our club's back on track.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Astroblack on Friday 10 April 2015, 08:14:42 pm
Poor b******'s probably been forced back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 10 April 2015, 08:16:24 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/R1nBB2n.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SteveMc on Friday 10 April 2015, 10:09:04 pm
Better to have some actual defenders than non at all Shirley?

I'm right behind the boycott and all that but am one of the number who would sooner not get relegated
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: EthiGeordie on Monday 27 April 2015, 01:45:52 pm
I can't believe he has a status of savior  :blush: :blush:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 27 April 2015, 02:13:51 pm
How light are we talking?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nattfare on Monday 27 April 2015, 02:25:33 pm
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130322150024/glee/images/a/af/Hallelujah_we're_saved.gif)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Monday 27 April 2015, 02:27:22 pm
This reminds me of when my first was born.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Roger Kint on Monday 27 April 2015, 02:28:15 pm
How light are we talking?

Knocking bet either him or SDJ gets crocked tomorrow night
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 27 April 2015, 02:32:22 pm
Been our second best defender, although thats not really saying much.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Monday 27 April 2015, 05:48:15 pm
He's the kind of player that most clubs have as back up. The problem is he's our best centre back. From what I've heard Lascelles isn't any thing to get excited about so we need major investment just to avoid relegation next season (if we manage it this season).
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:45:29 pm
Total sport just said Dummett might be injured again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:49:24 pm
Total sport just said Dummett might be injured again.
so that leaves what in defense? Raylor Haidara and Colo? And just colo in central defense.........oh this will end well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:50:06 pm
Total sport just said Dummett might be injured again.
so that leaves what in defense? Raylor Haidara and Colo? And just colo in central defense.........oh this will end well.

Haidara is out for the season.

So it's Colo and Raylor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:51:31 pm
Total sport just said Dummett might be injured again.
so that leaves what in defense? Raylor Haidara and Colo? And just colo in central defense.........oh this will end well.

Haidara is out for the season.

So it's Colo and Raylor.
forgot about that. Oh dear
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: 54 on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:51:42 pm
So what will our defence be next week?

Colback  Raylor  Colo   Anita

:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Collage on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:52:17 pm
Colback Raylor Colo Anita

:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Collage on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:52:52 pm
f***, too late.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: palnese on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:53:39 pm
Mint :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:54:57 pm
Raylor at centre-back might be the most disgusting thing I've ever imagined. Good grief man. Mind-bogglingly bad thought.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:58:38 pm
So what will our defence be next week?

Colback  Raylor  Colo   Anita

:lol: :lol:
doesn't exactly leave much in midfield either, Abied who I'm very unsure about if he's good or not and Sissoko who has been missing more or less since Pardew left.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:58:47 pm
Satka and Sterry will need to be brought into the fold. Far better options than Ryan f***ing Taylor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: midds on Saturday 2 May 2015, 05:59:18 pm
Can Lascelles join up with the squad or not? ???
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Paulie Walnuts on Saturday 2 May 2015, 06:03:16 pm
If only we had another decent centre half....that guy at Roma looks promising.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 2 May 2015, 06:10:08 pm
If only we had another decent centre half....that guy at Roma looks promising.

Nah man, he's s***. Too short, can't jump, not strong or fast enough for the PL. Wouldn't ever have him here.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: r0cafella on Saturday 2 May 2015, 06:24:40 pm
We didn't need Santon and Yanga though :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 2 May 2015, 06:28:05 pm
MYM not being replaced was bad enough but we knew selling Santon would come back to bite us in the ass. Stevie Taylor was already on holiday when. We sold Davide?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Minhosa on Saturday 2 May 2015, 06:29:48 pm
Can Lascelles join up with the squad or not? ???

Nope. Registered with Forest until next season's registrations I believe.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 2 May 2015, 06:33:13 pm
MYM not being replaced was bad enough but we knew selling Santon would come back to bite us in the ass. Stevie Taylor was already on holiday when. We sold Davide?

Nearly as bad as bringing Mike Williamson in as a stop gap to help us out of the championship. Yet the c*** is still here 6 years and over 150 appearances later. I would rather of kept Khizanishvili or One size.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Sunday 3 May 2015, 11:31:52 am
We tried to keep hold of Zurab but they said no no no
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Sunday 10 May 2015, 05:48:22 am
No bump?  He's proven yet again how much we need him. Fantastic performance, tackles like a boss. I know it's not fashionable to like him but he has come on loads this season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Sunday 10 May 2015, 07:06:35 am
Yeah I thought he was pretty good. :thup:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: STM on Sunday 10 May 2015, 07:51:57 am
That's because he's a good player. He's better in the air than Williamson despite being smaller, he better technically too. He also has a better positional sense than Coloccini.

Sadly his career won't develop with the current bunch. Needs a good coach and perhaps an experienced centre half alongside him
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ExiledGeordie on Sunday 10 May 2015, 07:57:55 am

Williamson shouldn't be anywhere near the side if Dummett is fit.

One is reliable the other a complete liability
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Sunday 10 May 2015, 08:04:24 am
f***ing Maldini compared to Williamson.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 10 May 2015, 08:38:57 am
Steady and reliable. Also not Mike Williamson which helps.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ben-nufc on Sunday 10 May 2015, 09:25:42 am
Played well but ultimately still not a good enough first choice for me. A good performance from him looks even better than it should be compared to the shambles we usually have at the back.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: morla84 on Sunday 10 May 2015, 09:38:06 am
Could do with naming centre half as his position imo. We've got too many players willing to fill in where needed, instead of staking their claim on one position and focusing on developing their game there. That's obviously the type of player the club go for in order to try and have such a small squad
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 May 2015, 11:06:44 am
Dummett has been solid to good all season imo. Doesn't get the credit he deserves on this board.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 10 May 2015, 11:09:19 am
He's improved a lot this season. Weird considering the defence he's been playing in.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 10 May 2015, 11:50:22 am
Needs to stay at CB
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 11 May 2015, 10:03:06 am
Needs to stay at CB
He's also our best option at LB currently. But CB is more important. Squad is terrible.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Monday 11 May 2015, 10:49:33 am
We can make do with Jonas, Anita or Colback at left back, but there's literally no one else to play CB, and I'd rather play with 10 men than watching that lanky piece of s**** Williamson on the pitch again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 11 May 2015, 11:25:29 am
We can make do with Jonas, Anita or Colback at left back, but there's literally no one else to play CB, and I'd rather play with 10 men than watching that lanky piece of s**** Williamson on the pitch again.
I agree. I was just pointing out the weakness of our squad that Paul Dummett is our best player in 2 positions.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 May 2015, 11:28:11 am
Would be unfortunate if we got relegated by bringing back Mike for the last game.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 May 2015, 11:28:41 am
Haidara is better at LB when fit IMO.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: thenige on Monday 11 May 2015, 11:29:38 am
Honestly think he's a much better CB than he is LB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 11 May 2015, 11:39:52 am
Haidara is better at LB when fit IMO.
Sorry I meant with who is fit and available. And it's closer than it should be in any case. I think Dummett's a good player but he shouldn't arguably be our best player in 2 positions. I'd rather he was 3rd best CB and second choice LB by a Janmaat distance where he would still probably get a good amount of games in either position due to injuries/suspensions. I'm not counting Saylor.

But in Ashley's regime we might as well make Dummett captain already.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Scoot on Monday 11 May 2015, 11:54:28 am
We can make do with Jonas, Anita or Colback at left back, but there's literally no one else to play CB, and I'd rather play with 10 men than watching that lanky piece of s**** Williamson on the pitch again.

He's an absolute pile of s*** is Williamson. Possibly the worst centre half I have seen at NUFC and I include Boumsong in that as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Monday 11 May 2015, 11:55:52 am
Would be unfortunate if we got relegated by bringing back Mike for the last game.

After Carver's comments about him, I don't think he'll play in the last game barring Colo or Dummett getting injured
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Monday 11 May 2015, 12:38:31 pm
He is better at CB than LB, still think he is average BUT right now average is better than all the other options
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Monday 11 May 2015, 12:43:13 pm
I always felt far more comfort with Paul Dummett playing at CB than I did with Williamson and Taylor. He's quicker, better tackler, better marker, and has a good left peg on him to pass and shoot. He's also a better threat from set pieces too. I'm not saying he should be our starter for the future today, but I'd rather see him develop and given the opportunities to prove or stake his claim.

Does have a bit of a hunch back look to him when he's running and such :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Monday 11 May 2015, 01:04:02 pm
I'd start himevery time at the minute. Still can't believe we let Mapou go. Pardew has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jimburst on Monday 11 May 2015, 02:28:30 pm
I quite like him at CB in all honesty. I don't know if that's because I'm so unused to a footballer simply doing his job, but he has seemed fairly capable at CB for a while. Unlike Mike and Colo these days.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Monday 11 May 2015, 02:30:23 pm
I quite like him at CB in all honesty. I don't know if that's because I'm so unused to a footballer simply doing his job, but he has seemed fairly capable at CB for a while. Unlike Mike and Colo these days.

Yeah, I also quite like a left footed centre back on the left of defence. Apart from Bassong I can't think of many in the recent past
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Monday 11 May 2015, 02:38:59 pm
He doesn't hoof it as much as Williamson either
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kid Icarus on Monday 11 May 2015, 02:58:07 pm
I quite like him at CB in all honesty. I don't know if that's because I'm so unused to a footballer simply doing his job, but he has seemed fairly capable at CB for a while. Unlike Mike and Colo these days.

That's it for me. I don't particularly rate him, but at the moment he stands out by purely doing his job.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 May 2015, 02:59:16 pm
He's fairly tidy, he's quite athletic and he has a fair bit of energy. He's a much better CB than Williamson (though obvs most people are).

TBH at CB it's often more a case of minimising mistakes and being tidy than being outstanding in any way. If Dummett stays there and learns the position more he could do alright. Not that I want him starting for us ideally.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:01:03 pm
I've been saying it for a while but he's a good, solid, no-nonsense, no frills defender. Not great on the ball, but I do think he's gradually improving in that respect whereas Williamson hasn't got any better at that aspect in five years (if anything he's got worse).
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:16:25 pm
Williamson will only get better on the ball when a double leg transplant becomes feasible.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Astroblack on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:22:20 pm
At LB he hoofs it a lot more because he doesnt have the pace to beat a man. I can't remember any crosses he's put in either. But at CB he's a lot more composed. He's not the best but I feel a lot more confident when I see him in the teamsheet in that position. Provided we ship Colo and sign a new CB, I wouldn't mind him starting next season relegated or not.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:35:21 pm
He'll never make a good PL fullback, TBF it is a hard position.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Leazes1986 on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:35:56 pm
I think he could actually become a good PL centre back with a long run in that position. Some strength and pace alongside him would be ideal.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:46:37 pm
He's been better at CB & FB than MYM ever was for us if we are to be honest.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Wullie on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:57:53 pm
He should have been playing centre half since about October once it was clear he could do a decent job there. He was for a while then for some reason he was out again and back to LB while we f***ed Santon off.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jimburst on Monday 11 May 2015, 03:59:52 pm
Probably because we didn't have a saleable asset at CB :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 11 May 2015, 05:55:57 pm
He's been better at CB & FB than MYM ever was for us if we are to be honest.

Get outta here with that. Not at CB anyway, at FB maybe. Not knocking how much progress Dummett has made, don't gemme wrong. He's come leaps and bounds.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 11 May 2015, 05:58:17 pm
He's been better at CB & FB than MYM ever was for us if we are to be honest.

Nah, unequivocally incorrect.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Monday 11 May 2015, 06:21:34 pm
He's been better at CB & FB than MYM ever was for us if we are to be honest.

Nah, unequivocally incorrect.

If we're being honest here you should check Cabella's height.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 09:16:57 am
He's been better at CB & FB than MYM ever was for us if we are to be honest.

I agree with this, in terms of consistency. MYM had far more potential though, and would have allowed us to play a more continental style if we had any ambition of doing so.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 09:21:32 am
Dummett needs to add an offensive element to his game in order to play at a left back.  I don't doubt his defensive capabilities for a second, he is a very sound defender, but you cannot play at full back without being able to contribute to a least one of possession, playmaking, assists etc.  So if I were Dummett, I'd spend the whole summer practicing crossing a ball from deep.  If he had the capacity to cross a ball effectively, I'd be more than happy to have him as first choice.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: EthiGeordie on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 09:25:11 am
He is the success story of relatively dull two seasons in this football club. Considering he started 2013-14 season as fringe player he made his progress very well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 02:34:35 pm
I'd agree with that. His progress belongs at stopper centre half mind.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Zero on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 04:41:21 pm
He's already better than Saylor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: mozy on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 04:44:10 pm
As I said 6 months ago, he's already the best in the squad at 'defending'. But ultimately he's not good enough on the ball to be a left back, although he's Tony Pulis' wet dream at the position.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mattoon on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 06:37:59 pm
Would definitely keep him as back up centre half, if the funds are available, never thought I'd say this but he starts ahead of Willo, Taylor and Sackless Colo for me. We need to scrap the idea he's any sort of LB though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: La Parka on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 06:42:34 pm
Watch him play left back last game with willo and colo in the middle :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mattoon on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 06:53:16 pm
Watch him play left back last game with willo and colo in the middle :lol:

Nailed on
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Scoot on Tuesday 12 May 2015, 07:08:27 pm
Watch him play left back last game with willo and colo in the middle :lol:

You just know it is going to happen.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 13 May 2015, 12:29:38 pm
Watch him play left back last game with willo and colo in the middle :lol:

You just know it is going to happen.

I want to see Williamson up front. See how he likes receiving 800 long balls a game and not being able to just head it back the way it came. I want him to cry and beg to be subbed. Then I want to see HBA watching this on TV and seeing a grin start to form on his face. Then the centre circle falls away to become a cavernous entrance to hell and he starts to melt into the hole, screaming, as thousands of footballs are cannoned into his degenerating body at 100s of miles an hour, kicked by (more) evil clones of himself. The centre circle goes back to normal and Carver brings Armstrong on for the last 9 minutes and tells everyone not to pass to him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Monday 29 June 2015, 07:33:35 pm
Set to sign a new contract and get the number 3 according .com
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Monday 29 June 2015, 07:34:29 pm
Set to sign a new contract and get the number 3 according .com

Isn't he already contracted til beyond necessary?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Scoot on Monday 29 June 2015, 07:35:23 pm
Set to sign a new contract and get the number 3 according .com

Isn't he already contracted til beyond necessary?

He'll be classed as one of our new signings.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Monday 29 June 2015, 07:35:46 pm
2017 is when his current one runs out I believe
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Chicken Dancer on Monday 29 June 2015, 07:39:45 pm
Convinced he signed a 6 year deal in 2013 like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: James on Monday 29 June 2015, 07:48:29 pm
He is getting a first team pay apparently.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 29 June 2015, 08:00:03 pm
James...

(http://favoritememes.com/_nw/23/06041505.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Monday 29 June 2015, 08:04:35 pm
Deserves to be paid a proper first team wage like. Probably our best CB at the moment.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pilko on Monday 29 June 2015, 09:51:33 pm
He's been the most consistent performer in our back five (inc. Krul) for two seasons now. He absolutely deserves it IMO.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Monday 29 June 2015, 09:52:43 pm
I just hope he get's a run at CB too. I like us going forward far more with Haidara at LB and would much rather have Dummett fighting for a CB role.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Monday 29 June 2015, 09:55:55 pm
He's only worthwhile as a CB, hope that's how the new coaches see him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 June 2015, 09:56:33 pm
He's been the most consistent performer in our back five (inc. Krul) for two seasons now. He absolutely deserves it IMO.

Yep. Generally gets more undeserved stick than the rest of them combined, though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Monday 29 June 2015, 09:56:58 pm
Dunno like. When Carvdew brought him on LW against Palace, that was pretty rad.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Monday 29 June 2015, 09:57:57 pm
Set to sign a new contract and get the number 3 according .com
Maybe reading too much into it but does giving him number 3 suggest they see him as a left back? Would hope he was being seen as a centre half first and foremost
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:00:25 pm
He's more suited to CB but he's still easily the best LB we have from a defensive perspective.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Kanji on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:06:40 pm
He's actually miles behind Haidara in terms of his presence going forward and overlapping instincts, which when Haidara isn't steamrolled or kicked into the leg - does a brilliant job of getting up and down the pitch.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:11:23 pm
I quite like him, he's a lot less offensive than Saylor. That og vs Burnley still makes me chuckle though
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:28:22 pm
I quite like him, he's a lot less offensive than Saylor. That og vs Burnley still makes me chuckle though

Started the Carver era as it meant to go on.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:40:05 pm
Dunno like. When Carvdew brought him on LW against Palace, that was pretty rad.
That substitution man :lol: Not as bad as Pards infamous subs against Wigan (it was, wasn't it?) in the other near relegation season mind.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: joeyt on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:42:20 pm
Reading wasn't it? no more goals!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:44:14 pm
Reading was peak Pardew
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:52:59 pm
Ah yes, of course it was Reading. #carefulwhatyouwishfor.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 29 June 2015, 10:55:11 pm
Assuming giving him the #3 means we're expecting for him to be a first choice player in a NUFC team. I find that very difficult to get excited about.

He's fine, and probably better than everyone but Janmaat, but most of our defence is utter s***. If we had any sense we'd be buying pretty much a whole new backline and Dummett would be a decent bench option, nowt more.

Sad times.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ben-nufc on Monday 29 June 2015, 11:17:33 pm
He should be our 3-4th choice CB and our backup LB. I quite like him but he's very limited as a LB and fairly solid as a CB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Varadi on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 08:20:21 am
He's more suited to CB but he's still easily the best LB we have from a defensive perspective.

:thup: Obviously doesn't offer as much coming forward as Haidara but is much more solid and disciplined defensively, very rarely see him beaten 1 on 1.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 11:06:45 am
He's more suited to CB but he's still easily the best LB we have from a defensive perspective.

:thup: Obviously doesn't offer as much coming forward as Haidara but is much more solid and disciplined defensively, very rarely see him beaten 1 on 1.

That's because he gives himself a yard all the time, if it's a wideman who isn't interested in taking him on it more or less totally negates him because he's not tight enough. Something he needs to improve on.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 11:20:25 am
Has this guy really earned a pay rise? Really?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 11:26:09 am
Has this guy really earned a pay rise? Really?
Given that he probably wasn't getting much for a premier league footballer, then yes
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 11:28:58 am
I could have sworn he got a new contract just prior to last season, no?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 11:32:09 am
Under-rated player imo.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 11:35:22 am
Yeah, he's good but it just seems a bit hasty. Why not see how the pre-season plays out, as he might not beat out Haidara for the starting spot. Looks like it's being handed to him right off the bat.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 11:39:44 am
Yeah, he's good but it just seems a bit hasty. Why not see how the pre-season plays out, as he might not beat out Haidara for the starting spot. Looks like it's being handed to him right off the bat.
IMO he's probably first choice for two positions in the side. Even with reinforcements at CB at worst he would be 3rd choice CB and 2nd choice LB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 12:04:32 pm
And is that really worthy of more funds for lads holidays, vacuous chicks and gaudy vehicles? No, not at all.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 12:27:42 pm
And is that really worthy of more funds for lads holidays, vacuous chicks and gaudy vehicles? No, not at all.
Dummett doesn't seem to be that type :lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 12:34:28 pm
It's always the quiet ones.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: thenige on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 01:48:18 pm
He should be our 3-4th choice CB and our backup LB. I quite like him but he's very limited as a LB and fairly solid as a CB.

Would prefer him just being 3rd-4th choice CB and Haidara the backup LB to someone we could sign who is half decent.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 01:49:38 pm
Go for Santon from Inter IMO.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 01:50:22 pm
Good player Santon. Does a mean Phil Neville impersonation too.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Tuesday 4 August 2015, 11:15:58 am
Another one training today.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: buzza on Tuesday 4 August 2015, 11:32:10 am
Have to remember he is still quite young (i think?), he should improve year on year and he's only had two (?) seasons in the prem... At the moment he should be our first choice bench warmer for left back/centre back. Good squad player but not what we should be aiming for in our starting line up.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Cronky on Tuesday 4 August 2015, 11:57:52 am
Under-rated player imo.

I agree. He plays fairly cautiously when going forward, but there's more to come from him once he gains more confidence and experience.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: oldtype on Tuesday 4 August 2015, 05:26:57 pm
Probably our best academy product in the last decade :yao:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: xLiaaamx on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 01:13:31 am
Find it incredibly annoying when people miss off the second T
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nemtizz on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 01:17:23 am
100% agree. Dummet really doesn't deserve the disrespect. Same with McLaren.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 01:27:42 am
I think we all know how drastically different his popularity would be on here if he wasn't a local lad from the academy. Fortunately I think he's won most of the sensible crew over as a solid defender with potential.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 05:35:45 am
I think he's fine just not a left back
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 02:48:30 pm
I think he's fine just not a left back

I think he's more of a left back than he'll ever be a central defender. He can do a stop gap job in there, but I don't think he's big enough to be a stopper full time. At left back, he's not the worst crosser, just needs a bit more confidence going forward.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 02:52:20 pm
What height is he? Always seems tall for a left back to me when he plays there
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: thenige on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 02:55:29 pm
What height is he? Always seems tall for a left back to me when he plays there

Too tall for a LB, too short for a CB. *not really.

For me, looks a far better CB than a LB, but still shouldn't be more than 3rd or 4th choice.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 04:30:47 pm
He's stronger and better in the air than Colo at 23.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 04:36:01 pm
He's stronger and better in the air than Colo at 23.

I don't really see it. He's decent for a left back, but at centre back he's pretty similar to Colo at best. Plus Colo is better at reading the game and better at bringing the ball out.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 07:43:30 pm
At 33 year old CB is better at reading the game than a 23 year old with less than a dozen appearances in that position. More ingenious TRon insight to follow.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 07:44:46 pm
At 33 year old CB is better at reading the game than a 23 year old with less than a dozen appearances in that position. More ingenious TRon insight to follow.

And yet people are overlooking this.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 07:49:52 pm
I think we all know how drastically different his popularity would be on here if he wasn't a local lad from the academy. Fortunately I think he's won most of the sensible crew over as a solid defender with potential.

:lol:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 07:55:10 pm
You're easier to amuse than the average viewer of Mrs Brown's Boys, Disco.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ilikenewcastle on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 08:05:32 pm
I think we all know how drastically different his popularity would be on here if he wasn't a local lad from the academy. Fortunately I think he's won most of the sensible crew over as a solid defender with potential.

100% agree with this actually
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 08:08:25 pm
You're easier to amuse than the average viewer of Mrs Brown's Boys, Disco.

I think we all know how drastically different his programme's popularity would be on here if he was a local lad.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 08:34:55 pm
I think we all know how drastically different his popularity would be on here if he wasn't a local lad from the academy. Fortunately I think he's won most of the sensible crew over as a solid defender with potential.

He was terrible as a fullback for us, coincidentally that was when he was getting the most stick. He really came into his own at CB and rightfully won plaudits. We all want academy products to do well, I'm not sure who doesn't. But it's upto the player himself to 'win' fans over through performances and showing potential. I still wouldn't employ him at fullback. I think he can truly make the CB position his own. Maybe bulk up a bit, as well.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 08:41:37 pm
Probably our best academy product in the last decade :yao:
Carroll? ???
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 08:41:38 pm
Everybody hates young English players from our youth system, I mean, just look at Rolando Aarons' thread. Not to mention the widespread celebrations when Carroll was sold.

Not sure why anybody brings up this s**** about people disliking/denigrating academy players. It's genuinely utter nonsense. People judge players on their merits and faults as they see them.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 08:47:51 pm
Rolando's an extremely talented player and already by far our best winger and Carroll scored 30 goals in the year before we sold him. Silly examples.

Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ilikenewcastle on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 08:50:58 pm
Everybody hates young English players from our youth system, I mean, just look at Rolando Aarons' thread. Not to mention the widespread celebrations when Carroll was sold.

Not sure why anybody brings up this s**** about people disliking/denigrating academy players. It's genuinely utter nonsense. People judge players on their merits and faults as they see them.

Aye they'll get credit when they do very well, but if they have a couple of iffy games they'll be written off (you yourself aren't too kind about Aarons in the first page of his thread   ;) )
Obviously not everyone does this, but there are plenty of people I've seen who'll write off Armstrong and Dummett but wheel out every excuse under the sun for a player like Marveaux (not even a player with a successful track record!)
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:01:06 pm
Rolando's an extremely talented player and already by far our best winger and Carroll scored 30 goals in the year before we sold him. Silly examples.

Well exactly. And Dummett is a reasonable defender who does the basics well but will never pull up any trees. As most on here would agree. The idea that there's inherent bias at play towards or against academy players is nonsense.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:03:29 pm
He's 23. He's already being written off for the future despite him, as you say, already being a reasonable defender.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tsunami on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:06:42 pm
He doesn't have the speed to be a top level full back. He's looked so ok at centre back but his lack of pace leaves him exposed at full back. Most wingers will fancy their chances against him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:08:15 pm
Well I'd say he doesn't have the technical or raw physical attributes to be a worldbeater whether he was was 23 or 29. But he has enough about him to be a reasonable defender who will probably get better as he gains experience of the position(s). Not writing anybody off but judging a player as you see them.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Fenham Mag on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:15:21 pm
He could bulk up like Jose Enrique did  which would help.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:21:01 pm
I actually thought he looked a wee bit more buff in the most recent Magpies 24/7 vid.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:24:30 pm
Like any true Englishman I just couldn't take him when he turned his back on the hardworking taxpayers of this country, the one he was born and raised in, and declared for Wales. He relinquished his nationality and became foreign to me at that moment...and I still think he's mega ordinary.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:27:22 pm
COLOCCINI
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:29:36 pm
Everybody hates young English players from our youth system, I mean, just look at Rolando Aarons' thread. Not to mention the widespread celebrations when Carroll was sold.

Not sure why anybody brings up this s**** about people disliking/denigrating academy players. It's genuinely utter nonsense. People judge players on their merits and faults as they see them.

Aye they'll get credit when they do very well, but if they have a couple of iffy games they'll be written off (you yourself aren't too kind about Aarons in the first page of his thread   ;) )
Obviously not everyone does this, but there are plenty of people I've seen who'll write off Armstrong and Dummett but wheel out every excuse under the sun for a player like Marveaux (not even a player with a successful track record!)

:lol:

I'm sorry, I still don't get the hype. I want him to do well and flourish, but why he was getting thrown into the mix over and over again by Pardew was something that truly baffled me. Needs to do a Chopra and kill it on loan in the first division, and then come back for a proper crack at the top tier.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:36:01 pm
Love nothing more than seeing an academy product/local lad succeed in the first team, but am yet to see anything from Dummett to suggest he could develop into an above bang-average defender. As has been noted though, age is on his side. Huge season for him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:43:24 pm
Bang average would be a huge improvement on what we've got starting on Sunday like.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 5 August 2015, 09:49:21 pm
Bang average would be a huge improvement on what we've got starting on Sunday like.

It's exactly this. We've had an absolute mountain of s*** at CB going back to when Woodgate left. Since our current crop of favoured CBs made their debuts for us it's no coincidence there's never been any serious bids for any one of them, which is the only reason they're still here. An average 23-year-old defender frankly represents a very good option in our context.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Thursday 6 August 2015, 04:49:41 pm
At 33 year old CB is better at reading the game than a 23 year old with less than a dozen appearances in that position. More ingenious TRon insight to follow.

Well we can pick Dummett when he's 33 then, Colo will definitely have retired by then. At the moment Dummett's a good utility player and can do a job as either left back or cb as a temporary fill in. Unlike many on here, I've never really slagged Dummett, just don't think he's good enough in either position to justify hanging your hat on for for a full season.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 6 August 2015, 04:55:55 pm
He's had maybe 2 bad games at fullback imo. He's solid. Positionally he's good in both roles defensively.

Being good at the basics makes you a good football player. On last seasons evidence, he's our best bet at CB from that pack.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: buzza on Friday 7 August 2015, 09:58:41 am
I agree, he's solid, probably a level above Willo because he can pass the ball reasonably well. He is a good back up centre half or left back, we shouldn't be complaining. He is still only young so with experience will improve.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: RobS on Friday 7 August 2015, 11:41:27 am
Its the fact that multiple management layers seem to think willo is better than him that puzzles the life out of me!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: themanupstairs on Friday 7 August 2015, 12:22:14 pm
Its the fact that multiple management layers seem to think willo is better taller than him that puzzles the life out of me!
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ste on Friday 7 August 2015, 03:21:39 pm
He's a good quality squad option for a club in our position.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 10 August 2015, 10:18:06 pm
Probably back as first choice left back now after Haidara's horror show yesterday
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 10 August 2015, 10:20:08 pm
He was probably always first choice for that position.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 10 August 2015, 10:21:42 pm
Concerns me that considering how McClaren wants to play his lack of ability on the ball could be an issue, as long as he's in position though he'll most likely defend crosses better than Haidara did.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ashley17 on Monday 10 August 2015, 10:32:11 pm
Yesterday Haidara's second touch was usually a tackle. There's not that much between them at all
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 07:24:04 am
He's a 4th choice Premier League CB/2nd choice LB for me.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 08:04:01 am
He won't be fit for a couple of weeks yet though.
Currently doubtful for Man United.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Recoba on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 10:14:54 am
Haidara is more athletic than Dummett, but generally a poor footballer.

Dummett is far more solid defensively and has a better touch based on what I've seen.  Haidara bombs forward but does not contribute much.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 10:28:07 am
Dummett smells danger and is very cautious as a LB. I think his generally abilities as a footballer are under-rated. Full backs tend to be failed wingers or failed centrebacks and he's certainly the latter. He has a decent touch, okay delivery but is slow for a fullback and has no skill or tricks. His lack of pace also contributes to cautious positioning.

But when at CB you can see he's decent with the ball. Certainly on par with Taylor and miles ahead of Willo in that sense.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 10:30:57 am
Very cautious = poor technical ability.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 10:35:36 am
It's better defensively thay whatever Haidara's trying to do and than when Santon used to be holding collocini's hand in our box whenever play got switched   :mike:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 10:52:36 am
Very cautious = poor technical ability.
Not really. Just slow. Haidara's not better in any way except from athleticism
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: ujpest doza on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 11:43:14 am
Dummett smells danger and is very cautious as a LB. I think his generally abilities as a footballer are under-rated. Full backs tend to be failed wingers or failed centrebacks and he's certainly the latter. He has a decent touch, okay delivery but is slow for a fullback and has no skill or tricks. His lack of pace also contributes to cautious positioning.

But when at CB you can see he's decent with the ball. Certainly on par with Taylor and miles ahead of Willo in that sense.
Pretty sure Dummett is actually one of the quickest players at the club.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 11:44:38 am
If that's the case we have a problem :lol: luckily he isn't.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 12:05:58 pm
Haidara is far better attacking wise and you would have to say Dummett edges it on the defensive side but not much by much, he doesn't look great at LB and as everyone has said 1000 times his best position is CB.

A straight choice between Dummett and Haidara at LB its Haidara every time, but ideally I'd want a more established LB than both of them playing, Haidara had a poor game Sunday but has come on leaps and bounds since arriving, should only get better.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 12:08:21 pm
If that's the case we have a problem :lol: luckily he isn't.

No way. Also has poor agility/turning circle for a FB. the only genuine poor performance I can recall from him is when Navas had him on toast in one game. Dummett looked so slow and ponderous. He looked to have the turning circle of a tank in that game and super slow. Think he's improved his positiong and stance/body shape when 1v1 with a winger now.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 12:09:06 pm
Ready to have another look at Dummet at LB tbh.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 12:10:25 pm
Haidara is far better attacking wise and you would have to say Dummett edges it on the defensive side but not much by much, he doesn't look great at LB and as everyone has said 1000 times his best position is CB.

A straight choice between Dummett and Haidara at LB its Haidara every time, but ideally I'd want a more established LB than both of them playing, Haidara had a poor game Sunday but has come on leaps and bounds since arriving, should only get better.

Eh? Haidara is more athletic and is more willing to get into attacking areas. But his end product and general play isn't considerably better than PD's when push comes to shove.

PD edges the defensive side? Have a word. I hate to admit it but defensively Haidara isn't good enough at all at the moment. Dummett is solid at FB. He gives his winger plenty of respect but focuses on nullifying his threat and generally does a solid job of it.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 12:13:34 pm
I've seen Haidara put in some good defensive performances (City in the cup rings a bell, in particular), tbh, he's also had some games where he looks very threatening going forward. Put in a couple of absolutely brilliant crosses in preseason too. Has he ever played more than a couple of games in a row? His career here has been really stop-start, I think he'd improve his consistency a lot if he had a good 15 game run in the team. He's certainly shown more flashes than Dummett, for me, but he's been much more erratic.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: U2 on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 12:17:33 pm
Very cautious = poor technical ability.
Not really. Just slow. Haidara's not better in any way except from athleticism

I attribute his lackluster passing to a lack of trust is his technique. He won't accept a pass unless free from pressure and he is overly cautious in his use of the ball.  Channel balls if under a modicum of pressure. A player with better technique uses the ball better.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 01:21:06 pm
Very cautious = poor technical ability.
Not really. Just slow. Haidara's not better in any way except from athleticism

I attribute his lackluster passing to a lack of trust is his technique. He won't accept a pass unless free from pressure and he is overly cautious in his use of the ball.  Channel balls if under a modicum of pressure. A player with better technique uses the ball better.

Aye, that channel ball is a cop-out
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 07:20:07 pm
It's definitely too early to write off Haidara after that last game. He looked nervous which is understandable as that was basically his first game for us as a first choice player and he didn't get any help from Obertan. Tadic is good and he even seemed to be closing down Haidara immediately when he had the ball. I'm sure he'll be better both offensively and defensively when he has a better player ahead of him to link with.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 07:48:41 pm
He looked nervous which is understandable as that was basically his first game for us as a first choice player

This is quite an absurd (and inaccurate) excuse, mind.

I agree, though. Nobody should be writing him off as a player. I'm not sure he'll ever be that great of a PL LB defensively, though.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 07:52:58 pm
Why is it absurd?
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 07:57:55 pm
Because he's a grown man and professional athlete who's probably played 40 games for us.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 11 August 2015, 10:24:57 pm
That was only Haidara's 15th league start for us, I think. Really does need to get a run of games to see what we get from him.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 01:15:59 pm
Because he's a grown man and professional athlete who's probably played 40 games for us.

:thup: :lol:

If he was nervous Pata, then he has some serious mental problems that needs to be worked on.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sbnufc on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 01:33:43 pm
Because he's a grown man and professional athlete who's probably played 40 games for us.

:thup: :lol:

If he was nervous Pata, then he has some serious mental problems that needs to be worked on.

He had Obertan in front of him, course he was f***ing nervous
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 01:36:46 pm
Because he's a grown man and professional athlete who's probably played 40 games for us.

:thup: :lol:

If he was nervous Pata, then he has some serious mental problems that needs to be worked on.

He had Obertan in front of him, course he was f***ing nervous

Fair enough, but that's not because it was his first time as first choice :lol: Pretty absurd statement tbf.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 01:38:13 pm
While it hasn't helped that Haidara has been in and out of the side, he really should be more convincing when he's getting these chances. I've seen him having outstanding games but then next time out he looks like he's switched off. Defence is one part of the pitch where you have to be consistently reliable so he's going to have to do better in the next couple of games if he wants to hold down that spot.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 02:35:14 pm
I'm fine with taking s*** from the Ron but not Flip. Go away.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Pata on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 02:40:31 pm
I mean he's been 'first choice' before, but it's a season opener where he is the clear LB1 and he's trying to prove that we don't need another LB. Can't see how it's absurd that someone would be nervous. He's also a member here and everyone was calling for a new LB, obviously he was nervous.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 02:44:33 pm
He's not even clear "LB1" Haidara
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Darth Crooks on Wednesday 12 August 2015, 03:12:41 pm
Still worries me relying on these lads. Neither are anywhere near deserving of, or ready for, the pressure currently on them.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 5 September 2015, 08:39:07 am
http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/09/newcastle-injury-news-defender-out-until-october/

Crocked again.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Zero on Saturday 5 September 2015, 09:25:41 am
fxxk.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 5 September 2015, 09:28:30 am
Look on the brightside though. We're one full-back injury away from seeing our strongest front 5.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 5 September 2015, 01:41:22 pm
Not bothered other than the fact he may have been ahead of Williamson at CB. Haidara seems to have found some form now
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Paully on Thursday 10 September 2015, 05:32:34 am

http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/09/newcastle-injury-news-defender-out-until-october/

Crocked again.

Confirmed

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-dummett-suffers-injury-setback-10024131
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: nemtizz on Thursday 10 September 2015, 05:36:33 am
Look on the brightside though. We're one full-back injury away from seeing our strongest front 5.

:fwap:
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: toontownman on Thursday 10 September 2015, 05:55:38 am
keep calm... and Colback on...

(http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/jack-colback-halt-newcastle-united-nufc-650x400.jpg)

He got this if we need another LB.
Title: Re: Paul Dummett is injured
Post by: Minhosa on Sunday 18 October 2015, 06:42:55 pm