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Title: Dogawful Premier League/Championship/English Officiating
Post by: YANKEEBLEEDSMAGPIE on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:14:28 pm
I'd like to inaugurate Mike Dean as the first winner of the Dodgy c*** Ref of the Week award.  The yellow to David Luiz shows one (or more) of three things:

1) He is biased in favor of Chelsea
2) He doesn't know the last man rule
3) He doesn't have the balls to make the right call

Any of the three should really be grounds for him to have to find a new line of work. 

Shocking for sure, but only insofar as this type of s*** happens all the time in English footy, generally in favor of the clubs that spend the £££.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stottie on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:15:31 pm
If you could the penalty last week and the corner in the Wigan game the one before, that's three howlers in three weeks.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:16:22 pm
Gullit at HT on the Luiz incident,

'Well, I don't know the rule..... Well I do, but...'.   Idiot.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Decky on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:16:47 pm
This will be Mike Dean's award every week.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:17:02 pm
I have absolutely no idea how the Luiz one isn't a red card. It's a f***ing disgustingly bad decision. I hope Dean gets cock rot.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:17:47 pm
Well it's taken until December for this to be talked about, so it can't have been that bad since August.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:18:13 pm
http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,71852.msg2546660.html#msg2546660 (http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,71852.msg2546660.html#msg2546660)
http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,75237.msg2848294.html#msg2848294 (http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,75237.msg2848294.html#msg2848294)
http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,67212.msg2164056.html#msg2164056 (http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,67212.msg2164056.html#msg2164056)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Numbers on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:18:51 pm
He bottled it bigtime , Pardew said he said "the ref said he didnt have the ball under control therefore it wasnt a goalscoring opportunity", clearly was a goalscoring opportunity like f***ing goon.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:20:09 pm
We're conceding penalties for fun at the moment.
Chelsea
Citeh x 2
Stoke
Blackburn
Spurs
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: geordieglory on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:20:11 pm
Gary Cahill sent off for fouling Scott Parker as the last man in the Tottenham game.  Parker was 40 yards from goal at the time.

Oh the irony.

 :rant:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heneage on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:20:16 pm
Everyone says that Serie A is bent, but at least they admit it. Folk like Dean are what's wrong with the highest level referee's in this country. People like him and Webb spend so long trying to play the big man and not pander to the home team they end up being useless.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:20:18 pm
Ryan Taylor should have been sent off for that tackle on Sturridge at the end, like. We got away with that (well, not really cos Santon would play if he had been red carded).
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:20:32 pm
Refs favour the champions league darlings.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ShearMagic on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:21:51 pm
Time for video replays.

The referees are too incompetent.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: summerof69 on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:23:41 pm
I think people are overreacting, tbh. Today was an awful performance from Mike Dean, but over the season it hasn't been too bad, atleast not for us, i mean we even got a penalty at Old  Trafford.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:25:33 pm
He bottled it bigtime , Pardew said he said "the ref said he didnt have the ball under control therefore it wasnt a goalscoring opportunity", clearly was a goalscoring opportunity like f***ing goon.

He didn't get the ball under control because he was chopped down by the last defender before he could run onto a fantastic through ball that was a couple of feet away from him.  As soon as he's given the free kick in that situation he has to give a red, and would have if it was any team not on the FAs wanking list.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: tmonkey on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:26:58 pm
Agree with Dean tbh, Ba would either have miscontrolled the ball or clumsily lumbered into the keeper so it doesn't really constitute a chance.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LucaAltieri on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:27:12 pm
That Blackburn goal vs Wigan.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:27:47 pm
Agree with Dean tbh, Ba would either have miscontrolled the ball or clumsily lumbered into the keeper so it doesn't really constitute a chance.
:memelol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: timeEd32 on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:27:50 pm
I think people are overreacting, tbh. Today was an awful performance from Mike Dean, but over the season it hasn't been too bad, atleast not for us, i mean we even got a penalty at Old  Trafford.

Yeah, on an abortion of a decision.  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:28:28 pm
summerof69 rewrites the phrases book!

It seems two wrongs do make a right...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:28:51 pm
There's not a single decent ref in this league.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:29:15 pm
http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,91078.msg3359323.html#msg3359323 (http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,91078.msg3359323.html#msg3359323)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: summerof69 on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:34:10 pm
summerof69 rewrites the phrases book!

It seems two wrongs do make a right...

What i'm trying to say is that over the season it hasn't been too bad, so that maybe as i said we are over reacting to this.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ShearMagic on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:38:01 pm
summerof69 rewrites the phrases book!

It seems two wrongs do make a right...

What i'm trying to say is that over the season it hasn't been too bad, so that maybe as i said we are over reacting to this.

Over the season it has been terrible tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: summerof69 on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:40:34 pm
summerof69 rewrites the phrases book!

It seems two wrongs do make a right...

What i'm trying to say is that over the season it hasn't been too bad, so that maybe as i said we are over reacting to this.

Over the season it has been terrible tbh.



Realy ? Don't remember to many incidents.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Troll on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:43:02 pm

It was a red card or no foul.  There was no circumstance in which that could possibly have been just a booking, IMHO.

Exactly.  When he pulled out the yellow I thought he was going to book Ba for diving.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:44:16 pm
Holy s*** just saw the Cahill red. How?  How? 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 3 December 2011, 03:45:20 pm
Not just the non sending off he constantly ignored his linesmen and made up his own mind on everything, we were never going to get anything out of the game with him as ref today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Begbie on Saturday 3 December 2011, 05:16:26 pm
The ref standard in the Premier League is very poor imo, I bet they are getting paid off by the Americans, Arabs, Russians etc. I have always said that I was against video replays, but I think its time for it now because its so many silly mistakes beeing made. I have also said that referees should have a yellow and red card system(or some sort of point system) . Like making one bad decision they get for example a yellow card, 2 yellow cards a game they get automatic one match ban, a really bad decision they get 2-3 games.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Si on Saturday 3 December 2011, 05:19:56 pm
It's part of the game but what annoys me is that there are no consequences for blatantly horrific decisions.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Saturday 3 December 2011, 05:20:46 pm
It's part of the game but what annoys me is that there are no consequences for blatantly horrific decisions.

Sir Alex Ferguson has a go at you through the TV.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Saturday 3 December 2011, 11:58:14 pm
Can't believe Luiz wasn't sent off today. Mike Dean completely bottled it. Prick.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 10 December 2011, 05:22:40 pm
Yet another corker before the first goal today :thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Saturday 10 December 2011, 05:23:25 pm
Yet another corker before the first goal today :thup:

Eeh that was a joke.

I thought the Gosling sending off was harsh too, if that was a sending off what about the foul on Shola?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 10 December 2011, 05:23:59 pm
And the Santon handball.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ameritoon on Saturday 10 December 2011, 05:24:08 pm
It's worked in favor and against in almost every game this season. There has to be less than a handful of our games so far where the ref hasn't gotten a big decision wrong.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 10 December 2011, 05:24:25 pm
And the Santon handball.

:sadnod: Saw that from 300 miles away.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Saturday 10 December 2011, 05:25:00 pm
There's not a single decent ref in this league.

Another shocking performance from the ref.

Missed the Santon handball.
The Krul corner - goal
Gosling's sending off.

p*ss poor.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jaypee on Saturday 10 December 2011, 05:48:18 pm
Gosling's yellow was also a joke. Only given to appease the Norwich fans.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Saturday 10 December 2011, 07:11:26 pm
It's worked in favor and against in almost every game this season. There has to be less than a handful of our games so far where the ref hasn't gotten a big decision wrong.

Its almost like the refs see the decision from the last game, and try to correct it in the next. If that makes sense. Just ref what you see. Ref the game.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leazes.ender on Saturday 10 December 2011, 09:15:56 pm
No idea how he failed to book Morrison for his calculated foul on Krul either. Not difference with that, that foul on Shola and the red card apart from which team committed them.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heneage on Saturday 10 December 2011, 09:47:36 pm
How does Crofts get a yellow when Gosling gets a straight red card for the exact same thing?

I love faith in the officiating in this league a long time ago. They are by majority hopeless and that's because their budget is so horrendously small, which means they don't get the elite training they need.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leazes.ender on Saturday 10 December 2011, 10:19:24 pm
They wouldn't need to spend very much at all on some sports psychologists to teach them how to block out what is going on around them and make decisions on their merit.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Robster on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:37:41 pm
I'm not watching, but I'm guessing that this needs a bump.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:37:55 pm
...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:38:59 pm
I'm not watching, but I'm guessing that this needs a bump.

Oh Aye, this ref is having a real bad one.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:40:03 pm
An elbow off the line, a goal from Adebayor that wasn't offside to name just two.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: AlanSkärare on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:41:08 pm
Shawcross three handballs here, no pen.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:41:27 pm
And another possible handball. And a 'foul' that should have been a corner.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:41:58 pm
Also the dive for the pen.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:42:40 pm
Pathetic to give him a yellow there. Utterly grotesque.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:43:23 pm
Unreal how bad the officiating has been this season. You'd hope the FA would act, but they clearly couldn't give a f***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:44:02 pm
Wasn't even gunna book him until he saw who it was. I hate that in refs. Realise someone has already been booked so sent them off when they  werent going to book them anyway
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:52:08 pm
Unreal how bad the officiating has been this season. You'd hope the FA would act, but they clearly couldn't give a f***.

FA:

(http://www.epltalk.com/media/2011/04/fa-respect-campaign.jpg)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Numbers on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:53:49 pm
Another w*** display from a ref today...shockingly s***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:58:11 pm
To get respect you have to earn respect, our refs lose all respect mainly because they are so s*** its untrue, they miss things that a Sunday park ref wouldn't, its embarrassing.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 11 December 2011, 05:59:44 pm
Pathetic refereeing today, utter s****.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:02:12 pm
Unreal how bad the officiating has been this season. You'd hope the FA would act, but they clearly couldn't give a f***.

FA:

(http://www.epltalk.com/media/2011/04/fa-respect-campaign.jpg)

It's laughable really.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Neil on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:02:47 pm
To get respect you have to earn respect, our refs lose all respect mainly because they are so s*** its untrue, they miss things that a Sunday park ref wouldn't, its embarrassing.

:thup:

This season has been particularly bad. I don't think it's a case of there being increased scrutiny (i.e. the media), I really think they've been that bad.

How can you respect referees who are giving utterly ridiculous decisions week after week, displaying little to no consistency?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ATB on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:03:04 pm
I´m sick to see all the bad refering week and week out. There most be something done, like use technology for goal situations, sending offs and etc. But no one cares :rant:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:06:50 pm
The worst thing is that these really are the best refs in the country, you don't realise that until you've spent a year in the Championship.

At least the Premier League refs only drop one or two absolute clangers a game, the League ones, you're lucky if they manage to toss the coin correctly.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:15:04 pm
Do you still have no recourse to overturn a sending off from two yellows?

Spurs should certainly be allowed to appeal against Kaboul's red/suspension and be successful.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:15:14 pm
(http://p.twimg.com/AgZrI3BCAAA-a5U.jpg)

 ???
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:15:50 pm
Do you still have no recourse to overturn a sending off from two yellows?

Spurs should certainly be allowed to appeal against Kaboul's red/suspension and be successful.

On what grounds though? They'd never get either rescinded IMO.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:17:35 pm
I have just seen something so disgusting there, the 4th official gets Kaboul booked for pointing out he made the glasses sign at the ref, yet doesn't tell the ref about the pen Kaboul should have been given, the reason he was so angry to do the glasses sign in the first place.

So the 4th official can get involved for that but not to point out a foul........our FA and refs make me puke, they are utter s*** its untrue.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:19:16 pm
Give the 4th Official a TV and let him use his mic to help the ref. How would it be any different to a linesmen flagging up something he saw and getting the ref's attention?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:19:48 pm
Do you still have no recourse to overturn a sending off from two yellows?

Spurs should certainly be allowed to appeal against Kaboul's red/suspension and be successful.

Your not allowed to overturn a red card coming from two yellows, only straight reds, the only time a yellow can be overturned is a case of mistaken identity, yet in Italy and Spain you can appeal a yellow, another reason our FA are massively s***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:20:49 pm
On the grounds that the second yellow was ridiculously harsh just like you would say of an overly harsh red.

It has similar repercussions in that he gets sent off and will miss another game yet completely different appeal process. A non existent appeal process, even.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:20:54 pm
Does a manager (in this instance, Redknapp) have any recourse to have the referee's performance appraised/investigated and have appropriate sanctions taken?

The fabric of football seems so corrupt and undemocratic these days that it doesn't seem as outrageous, but there is a level of ineptitude which ought to be intolerable. Referees who mess up on the big stage consistently shouldn't be able to continue referee in the Premier League.

There simply must be some sort of effective disciplinary and review process. If players/managers are to ever respect referees (fat chance, I know) there must be a respect for a system that works and can govern itself transparently and fairly.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:23:24 pm
Does a manager (in this instance, Redknapp) have any recourse to have the referee's performance appraised/investigated and have appropriate sanctions taken?

The fabric of football seems so corrupt and undemocratic these days that it doesn't seem as outrageous, but there is a level of ineptitude which ought to be intolerable. Referees who mess up on the big stage consistently shouldn't be able to continue referee in the Premier League.

There simply must be some sort of effective disciplinary and review process. If players/managers are to ever respect referees (fat chance, I know) there must be a respect for a system that works and can govern itself transparently and fairly.

He has but as most managers say "whats the point", the FA just dont listen anyway.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:25:01 pm
On the grounds that the second yellow was ridiculously harsh just like you would say of an overly harsh red.

It has similar repercussions in that he gets sent off and will miss another game yet completely different appeal process. A non existent appeal process, even.

Whilst I agree it was ridiculously harsh, it's not the kind of thing that would be rescinded IMO. The fact he was sent off as a result of it is of no relevance.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:27:18 pm
Should turn this thread into a record of all the faults refs commit each game over the course of the rest of the season...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:31:42 pm
Should turn this thread into a record of all the faults refs commit each game over the course of the rest of the season...

Be a 1000 pages long by next Sunday like.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:33:16 pm
To get respect you have to earn respect, our refs lose all respect mainly because they are so s*** its untrue, they miss things that a Sunday park ref wouldn't, its embarrassing.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:33:22 pm
Should turn this thread into a record of all the faults refs commit each game over the course of the rest of the season...

Two wrongs made a right for Norwich fans and their first goal yesterday.

Should have been a pen for Santon's handball. Don't think the ball went out for their corner.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:34:20 pm
Refereeing in the Premier League is corrupt.  It's plain for all to see.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:34:35 pm
yet in Spain you can appeal a yellow

Given how they dish them out like crazy, that's not surprising at all.

it's not the kind of thing that would be rescinded IMO. The fact he was sent off as a result of it is of no relevance.

Well, my only answer to that is it should and it should :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:41:31 pm
Refereeing in the Premier League is corrupt.  It's plain for all to see.

Are you suggesting that the ref allowed Stoke to win today, to allow Arsenal/Liverpool time to catch up to Spurs?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: brummie on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:45:15 pm
Phil Dowd - who redefines the notion of the "look at me" referee, surpassing even the comedically s**** Uriah Rennie - yesterday booked Gabby Agbonlahor for having the ball kicked at his ankle by Jaaskelainen
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:46:06 pm
yet in Spain you can appeal a yellow

Given how they dish them out like crazy, that's not surprising at all.

it's not the kind of thing that would be rescinded IMO. The fact he was sent off as a result of it is of no relevance.

Well, my only answer to that is it should and it should :lol:

But at least they can appeal, this goes a while back but when Robbie Elliott got sent off (2nd yellow) at Chelsea because SWP dived, if then the FA could not see the unjustness of it and have appeals for yellows, it shows just how s**** our FA actually is, they can let players be banned for another players cheating or a bad referring decision, its just so daft you have to laugh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:47:07 pm
Refereeing in the Premier League is corrupt.  It's plain for all to see.

They are not corrupt, they are just plain crap at it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 11 December 2011, 06:53:53 pm
Refereeing in the Premier League is corrupt.  It's plain for all to see.

They are not corrupt, they are just plain crap at it.

I believe that there are certain decisions that are simply too poor to be down to negligence.

Any industry where so much money is at stake is never free from corruption.  FIFA know it goes on, otherwise they'd have been keen to introduce video technology to help.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 07:00:19 pm
Refereeing in the Premier League is corrupt.  It's plain for all to see.

They are not corrupt, they are just plain crap at it.

I believe that there are certain decisions that are simply too poor to be down to negligence.

Any industry where so much money is at stake is never free from corruption.  FIFA know it goes on, otherwise they'd have been keen to introduce video technology to help.

FIFA are reluctant to introduce video technology as they think it undermines the ref, well Blatter does anyway, and he is where the problem lies, until he is outed video technology will not come in as he is so anti it.

One man should not have so much power when he is in charge of such a global sport, but until you get the corruption out of FIFA then this will continue for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 07:07:53 pm
FIFA are reluctant to introduce video technology as they think it undermines the ref, well Blatter does anyway.

Which is the most infuriating thing about there not being goal line technology. It wouldn't undermine them one bit, in fact it would do the opposite it would help them greatly by making it so they have something less to worry about and can concentrate on other incidents. Especially given that it's a factual decision, not down to interpretation.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 11 December 2011, 07:20:40 pm
FIFA are reluctant to introduce video technology as they think it undermines the ref, well Blatter does anyway.

Which is the most infuriating thing about there not being goal line technology. It wouldn't undermine them one bit, in fact it would do the opposite it would help them greatly by making it so they have something less to worry about and can concentrate on other incidents. Especially given that it's a factual decision, not down to interpretation.

Totally agree, even most refs to their credit have said they would welcome it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 11 December 2011, 07:31:26 pm
Refereeing is getting worse every week, yet they seem to get away with through the FA's reluctance to act upon poor officiating and the clubs/many fans accepting it through the "well it evens itself out eventually".

Two wrongs don't make a right and never will. It's time for change.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 11 December 2011, 08:25:36 pm
Can't believe how many decisions Chris Foy got wrong today. If I were a Spud I'd be fuming tonight. Shambolic performance by the refs of late.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mowen on Monday 12 December 2011, 11:12:26 am
http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/8082/38/ (http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/8082/38/)

Quote
Judge referees and players by the same tough standards


12 December ~ Much of the football broadcasting on the first weekend in December was devoted to criticising what had been, by common consensus, a terrible couple of days for refereeing. Indignation levels soared. Each supposed howler – Gary Cahill being sent off, David Luiz staying on the pitch, the non-penalty awarded to Sunderland – was subjected to a mixture of uncomprehending ridicule and scorn. How could top-level referees make such obvious mistakes? The simple explanation, of course, is that they are doing an extremely difficult job. They’re trying to control a game played at high speed, by top athletes, who are often trying deliberately to deceive them.
Referees don’t have access to the instant replays upon which Alan Green surely bases his unshakeable belief in his own infallibility. They will, inevitably, make mistakes and some of those mistakes will have a significant impact on the outcomes of matches. Referees shouldn't be above criticism but they should not be subjected to a level of criticism far in excess of that directed at players and managers, either.

When a player misplaces a simple pass, falls over his own feet or misses an open goal, the criticism is leavened with sympathy. He has simply had an "off day". When a referee makes a mistake, more sinister motives are ascribed. He is trying to make himself the centre of attention. He is incompetent. Petty. Probably perverted.

It is not hard to see why hammering the referee is seductive for those directly connected to the game. For managers and players, it is a convenient smokescreen, especially when the alternative involves taking personal responsibility for a defeat or offering a resigned shrug followed by the explanation: "Yes, we lost, but what do you expect? We have Lee Cattermole in our team."

More insidious are those ex-players now working in the media, who instinctively side with former colleagues rather than officials. This professional solidarity doesn't apply if the player deserving criticism is foreign and psychologically vulnerable, like David de Gea or Fernando Torres. Pundits don't regularly bump into these players on the after-dinner circuit or at pro-celeb golf tournaments, so they are fair game.

Which means it is down to the independent voices – journalists and broadcasters who haven't been directly involved with football – to ensure that the criticism directed at referees is proportional to that levelled at players – to suggest that, occasionally, a team may have lost for reasons other than the incompetence of an official, even when that official has made a mistake.

If those on the playing side of the game won't reduce their criticism of referees from the vitriolic to the merely unsympathetic, the level of scorn directed at player errors should be raised correspondingly. In this brave and brutal new world, there would be no escape for anybody.

After Bolton's 3-0 defeat to Spurs, for instance, the journalist interviewing Owen Coyle would have refused to be deflected by Coyle's complaints about Gary Cahill's sending off, and instead asked: "Why was Gary Cahill trying to perform a Cruyff turn in his own half anyway? He's not suffering from a delusion that he is Johan Cruyff, is he? He does realise he is Gary Cahill, with all the limitations that implies?"

Highlights and analysis that refused to devote a disproportionate amount of time to scrutinising the officials' shortcomings would be able to run extended blooper reels of the glaring cock-ups committed by even the best players every week. As well as being great fun, this would give a far more accurate picture of how most games are lost – an accumulation of minor individual and collective errors, rather than dramatic blunders by referees.

Adjusting the balance of criticism between referees and players and managers won't be easy. Referees don't help themselves. Rather than humbly regarding themselves as necessary evils, they trot around with a pomposity that comes from knowing they are the only person on the pitch with their name sewn into their underpants.

Broadcasters can criticise them with impunity, knowing that upsetting Mark Clattenburg won't have the same implications for their programme as upsetting Kenny Dalglish or Alex Ferguson. But while referees aren't glamorous, or even particularly sympathetic, we shouldn't passively allow their mistakes to be exaggerated or distorted to serve other agendas.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: 54 on Monday 12 December 2011, 12:28:26 pm
The problem with bad refs is that if a manager says something needs to be changed, they get slapped with a fine. I would imagine that most managers think there should be change, but they just can't, its ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: clintdempsey on Monday 12 December 2011, 01:21:41 pm
Apparently over 12 000 offside decisions from last year's PL have been analyzed using ProZone. 99% of all decisions were correct.

Seems like the assistant referees aren't quite as incompetent as we like to think.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Canuck on Monday 12 December 2011, 04:56:50 pm
The players are fitter and faster than ever and the refereeing system is the same as it has been for decades. This strikes me as very wrong.

While I appreciate the argument about gaol line technology removing the human element. This cannot be the end of the discussion.

They tried goal judges in the Europa League last year (?) but didn't pursue it.

Perhaps a different approach similar to what they did for ice hockey in the NHL. They now have two linesmen and two referees. In football, the system would translate where each ref is assigned a half of the pitch and is the primary authority in his half. Less running, the ability to get in to better positions and also, the ref in the "non-active" half can offer back up on a call using the head sets, as they may have a better site line. All of which happens instantly so that it does not disrupt the flow of the game.

My point being simply that it is not nearly good enough to keep doing things the same way simply because that is always how it has been done.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:16:02 pm
So two referees on the pitch at a time? It may only be one extra person, but do you feel things may get clogged on-pitch?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: je85 on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:24:47 pm

They tried goal judges in the Europa League last year (?) but didn't pursue it.



They are currently in use in the Champions League.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:25:33 pm
So two referees on the pitch at a time? It may only be one extra person, but do you feel things may get clogged on-pitch?

Just use one and use the technology exactly how Rugby League use it, they have it to near perfection imo.

I know Rugby League is obviously different but the technology doesn't undermine refs in Rubgy League, and that for me is the reason its not used in Football yet, because the authorities think it would undermine football refs, which it clearly wouldn't, it would help them get the major decisions right which surely must be the goal at the end of the day.   
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: gggg on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:34:53 pm
So two referees on the pitch at a time? It may only be one extra person, but do you feel things may get clogged on-pitch?

Just use one and use the technology exactly how Rugby League use it, they have it to near perfection imo.

Technology's completely f***ed Rugby League, as it would football. It's a pantomime now just like American sports, with every try going to the video ref and celebration replaced with everyone looking at a screen.

And that's a stop-start game anyway, nothing like football.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mowen on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:37:20 pm
There are extra penalty area referees in the Europa league at the moment, I dot know how they're working in general but they caused a Tottenham goal to be correctly, albeit slowly, disallowed. Might be worth giving them flags but it worked on that occasion.

It also looks like we'll have goal line technology soon. For all we've complained about needing it I'm fairly sure no technology has come up to scratch at previous tests.

Personally I'm not interested in having replays of anything in addition to this. I know many people will disagree but I really think it would make the game s***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:43:04 pm
There are extra penalty area referees in the Europa league at the moment, I dot know how they're working in general but they caused a Tottenham goal to be correctly, albeit slowly, disallowed. Might be worth giving them flags but it worked on that occasion.

It also looks like we'll have goal line technology soon. For all we've complained about needing it I'm fairly sure no technology has come up to scratch at previous tests.

Personally I'm not interested in having replays of anything in addition to this. I know many people will disagree but I really think it would make the game s***.
Completely agree. Goal line technology is fine, but it needs to stop there.
Problem with the penalty area referees is that they don't seem to dare to make a call. Not sure, but it seemed to me that it wasn't the penalty area ref that gave the Man U goal against Basel last week, and if he didn't, it's a bit of a disgrace.
Wouldn't be against having two main referees on the pitch. Not only would you have the referees in better positions, but you'd also have referees that doesn't tire and makes a mistake because of it. Don't think it would clog the pitch up either.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Canuck on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:45:34 pm
So two referees on the pitch at a time? It may only be one extra person, but do you feel things may get clogged on-pitch?

generally not because there is only one referee in each half. In the NHL the playing surface is exponentially smaller and they don't seem to get in the way any more than they used to.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 12 December 2011, 05:45:44 pm
So two referees on the pitch at a time? It may only be one extra person, but do you feel things may get clogged on-pitch?

Just use one and use the technology exactly how Rugby League use it, they have it to near perfection imo.

Technology's completely f***ed Rugby League, as it would football. It's a pantomime now just like American sports, with every try going to the video ref and celebration replaced with everyone looking at a screen.

And that's a stop-start game anyway, nothing like football.

Your missing my point, possibly me not making clear though, i'm not talking about the stop start part of it, i'm talking about the penalty, overline type, which usually especially in the case of penalties, has the game stopped anyway with players surrounding the ref, all he has to do is ask the 4th official to look at it, you dont need to have big screen, no need for razzmatazz at all, just the 4th official and a screen to look back at it.

Exactly the same with bad/looking bad tackles, goal scoring opportunities (like Luiz, Cahill ones), etc the games stops anyway, the 4th official can look and say, yes its a red or a yellow, thats what i mean, the game has stopped anyway, like booking Luiz or sending off Cahill, time to look at an instant replay.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dr Venkman on Monday 12 December 2011, 06:56:30 pm
So two referees on the pitch at a time? It may only be one extra person, but do you feel things may get clogged on-pitch?

Just use one and use the technology exactly how Rugby League use it, they have it to near perfection imo.

Technology's completely f***ed Rugby League, as it would football. It's a pantomime now just like American sports, with every try going to the video ref and celebration replaced with everyone looking at a screen.

And that's a stop-start game anyway, nothing like football.

Your missing my point, possibly me not making clear though, i'm not talking about the stop start part of it, i'm talking about the penalty, overline type, which usually especially in the case of penalties, has the game stopped anyway with players surrounding the ref, all he has to do is ask the 4th official to look at it, you dont need to have big screen, no need for razzmatazz at all, just the 4th official and a screen to look back at it.

Exactly the same with bad/looking bad tackles, goal scoring opportunities (like Luiz, Cahill ones), etc the games stops anyway, the 4th official can look and say, yes its a red or a yellow, thats what i mean, the game has stopped anyway, like booking Luiz or sending off Cahill, time to look at an instant replay.

agree, not sure what exactly is 'pantomime' about judging decisions correctly
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 12 December 2011, 07:20:00 pm
So two referees on the pitch at a time? It may only be one extra person, but do you feel things may get clogged on-pitch?

Just use one and use the technology exactly how Rugby League use it, they have it to near perfection imo.

Technology's completely f***ed Rugby League, as it would football. It's a pantomime now just like American sports, with every try going to the video ref and celebration replaced with everyone looking at a screen.

And that's a stop-start game anyway, nothing like football.

Your missing my point, possibly me not making clear though, i'm not talking about the stop start part of it, i'm talking about the penalty, overline type, which usually especially in the case of penalties, has the game stopped anyway with players surrounding the ref, all he has to do is ask the 4th official to look at it, you dont need to have big screen, no need for razzmatazz at all, just the 4th official and a screen to look back at it.

Exactly the same with bad/looking bad tackles, goal scoring opportunities (like Luiz, Cahill ones), etc the games stops anyway, the 4th official can look and say, yes its a red or a yellow, thats what i mean, the game has stopped anyway, like booking Luiz or sending off Cahill, time to look at an instant replay.

agree, not sure what exactly is 'pantomime' about judging decisions correctly

I think he means when they have it on the big screens, spinning the in/out like in Cricket, we can bypass that and just have a official and a replay, a mic to the ref, easy does it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Monday 12 December 2011, 08:37:15 pm
That challenge on Silva by Meireles was much worse than the Gosling one - waist-high, studs up, knew he would catch the follow-through - no cries from the "experts" for the obvious red, then he scores seconds later. Then a pwoppa nawty one seconds later again. Yup, only yellow. Whither consistency? Discuss. Two straight reds and a goal in between. Ffs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Monday 12 December 2011, 09:34:00 pm
I don't think it's feasible to have video evidence on penalty claims - yes, some will clear up easily when cheating c***s like Sebastian Larsson handle on the line then claim it hit them in the face or when cheating c***s like Sebastian Larsson take a ridiculous dive but even after repeated viewing, so many penalties are still simply a matter of opinion that can't be cleared up by video.

How many times do we have debates on here about whether something was or wasn't a red card/penalty/free kick? Bringing in video evidence for that just passes the interpretation from one person to another.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ash on Monday 12 December 2011, 09:58:52 pm
Another refereeing performance costs another team three points. It's getting beyond a joke now, has to be changes in the very near future but won't be.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:02:05 pm
Another refereeing performance costs another team three points. It's getting beyond a joke now, has to be changes in the very near future but won't be.

Which decision(s) in particular? ???
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:03:19 pm
Silva penalty?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:03:57 pm
Another refereeing performance costs another team three points. It's getting beyond a joke now, has to be changes in the very near future but won't be.

It was a penno and a red card.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:04:53 pm
That Silva pen call is so slight. Looks like a dive in real time.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ash on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:05:49 pm
Another refereeing performance costs another team three points. It's getting beyond a joke now, has to be changes in the very near future but won't be.

Which decision(s) in particular? ???

Silva penalty and Meireles staying on the pitch.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:06:13 pm
If Silva doesn't leave his feet early it's probably a pen. Otherwise, no.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:09:00 pm
Silva penalty?

I think it was a dive, which highlights the point I made above about interpretation.

Re: Meireles - I thought Yaya Toure and Kompany were both very lucky to stay on. Obviously the point remains that Clattenberg might have had a poor game, don't think he was any worse for either side though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:11:53 pm
Silva penalty?

I think it was a dive, which highlights the point I made above about interpretation.

Re: Meireles - I thought Yaya Toure and Kompany were both very lucky to stay on. Obviously the point remains that Clattenberg might have had a poor game, don't think he was any worse for either side though.

That's pretty much what it comes down to. He was consistent with both teams, that's good enough for me. Especially considering how s*** ref's have been all season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:15:26 pm
Can't even remember the last time I saw a Premier League player stumble, if a leg goes out it's become acceptable to take a massive leap over it and if an arm is on your shoulder, it's now ok to fall like a stone, every time. Both times, it's always the defence of "contact". Bloody sick of it tbh.

The refs are canny s*** but the players aren't making it easy for them, neither is the widespread acceptance of a professional athlete and grown man falling upon being touched in any way.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mowen on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:28:36 pm
Completely agree Wullie. Everyone's obsessed with blaming refs over everything else these days; managers, players and most of all fans are utterly pathetic about it. Nobody looks at the cheating players (class comment in the WSC article I quoted -  "They’re trying to control a game played at high speed, by top athletes, who are often trying deliberately to deceive them.")

Obviously I get frustrated when the incompetence of a ref screws us over but as far as I'm concerned as long as they're not inherently biased I don't really care; it happens to both teams and I'd far rather look at how we've played over 90 minutes than the perception of what the referee has done to us - I'm exactly the same when I'm playing on a Saturday too.

Realise I'm in a minority but complaining about decisions is as tedious as f*** as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Neil on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:28:46 pm
Can't even remember the last time I saw a Premier League player stumble, if a leg goes out it's become acceptable to take a massive leap over it and if an arm is on your shoulder, it's now ok to fall like a stone, every time. Both times, it's always the defence of "contact". Bloody sick of it tbh.

The refs are canny s*** but the players aren't making it easy for them, neither is the widespread acceptance of a professional athlete and grown man falling upon being touched in any way.

Which, aside from general cheating, in turn leads to one of my main football pet hates - commentators/pundits congratulating players for not going to ground in an attempt to con the ref/win a penalty. Yes, very well done for not resorting to flat-out cheating.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:32:59 pm
Can't even remember the last time I saw a Premier League player stumble, if a leg goes out it's become acceptable to take a massive leap over it and if an arm is on your shoulder, it's now ok to fall like a stone, every time. Both times, it's always the defence of "contact". Bloody sick of it tbh.

The refs are canny s*** but the players aren't making it easy for them, neither is the widespread acceptance of a professional athlete and grown man falling upon being touched in any way.

Scarily accurate post ;)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 12 December 2011, 10:51:37 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2070590/Footballers-punished-electric-shocks-Norway-video.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2070590/Footballers-punished-electric-shocks-Norway-video.html)


Take a look at this its fecking brilliant.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Monday 12 December 2011, 11:15:50 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2070590/Footballers-punished-electric-shocks-Norway-video.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2070590/Footballers-punished-electric-shocks-Norway-video.html)


Take a look at this its fecking brilliant.

Should permanently attach one of those leg collars to Suarez's leg tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Monday 12 December 2011, 11:39:42 pm
I'll only ever be in favour of technology as far as goal line stuff and only then if it's instant - light behind the goal or something.

Anything else would be s***, regardless if it means for more correct decisions. I get frustrated with the amount of breaks in the game already, anymore would make like American Football or some other daft sport that has more stoppage than action. Plus as Wullie, I think, menitoned a lot of it still comes down to conjecture.

Plus what would be talk about in the pub? on here? Nah, it'd be s***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 12 December 2011, 11:40:47 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2070590/Footballers-punished-electric-shocks-Norway-video.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2070590/Footballers-punished-electric-shocks-Norway-video.html)


Take a look at this its fecking brilliant.

Thats something straight from South Park.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LFEE on Monday 12 December 2011, 11:48:32 pm
Just watching the penalty that Modric won for Spurs against Stoke... Not sure what is the most worrying... The ref giving it standing so close or the commentators after each of the four slo-mo replays claiming the ref had no choice... No contact at all... Scary... And one of the main reasons technology is a waste of time...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Monday 12 December 2011, 11:53:31 pm
Are you blind?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Aphrodite on Tuesday 13 December 2011, 12:16:34 am
Another thing- you'd see a lot more 'soft' penalties given if there was video technology- there would be much less room for discretion.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LFEE on Tuesday 13 December 2011, 12:59:23 am
Are you blind?

No... Are you!?... Modric dives... No contact at all... The defender moves his leg out the way... Have another look...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Saturday 17 December 2011, 06:13:18 pm
Mason had no big decisions to make today, hwoever i thoguht he was a farce of referee.

He didn't make a booking til the 65th minute, and some of the bookings and fouls he had missed were laughable too.

The standard this season man :facepalm:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ameritoon on Saturday 17 December 2011, 06:15:05 pm
Giving Cabaye a yellow on his first foul was terrible, especially considering the challenges he had let off earlier. But, other than that he was fine.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Saturday 17 December 2011, 06:16:09 pm
Giving Cabaye a yellow on his first foul was terrible, especially considering the challenges he had let off earlier. But, other than that he was fine.

The tackle on Santon springs to mind.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 17 December 2011, 06:16:45 pm
Was f***ing useless from start to finish.

Played into their hands stopping play every 20 seconds for a 'foul', kept his cards in his pocket for far too long and when he finally brought them out, it was for a farcical Cabaye booking for what was his first foul and allowed a shitload of time wasting near the end for Swansea, before giving just 4 minutes of added time.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Saturday 17 December 2011, 06:17:23 pm
To think you could get sent off for doing what Cabaye did twice is pretty worrying.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leffe186 on Monday 19 December 2011, 09:45:19 pm
To think you could get sent off for doing what Cabaye did twice is pretty worrying.

Kaboul got sent off for even less than that!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Wednesday 21 December 2011, 11:31:12 pm
Yet some more questionable officiating tonight. Especially in the last 10 or so minutes.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 21 December 2011, 11:33:10 pm
Who was that f***ing c*** tonight? Gave us absolutely nothing. The number of times Ba was shoved over and he didn't give it, and then gave a lesser foul in favour of Long about 15 seconds later, I actually lost count of.

Ben Arfa was also blatantly shoved off the ball late on, and he waved it on. Hope the c***'s knob falls off, he played a part in tonight's result. We were still s***, like.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Wednesday 21 December 2011, 11:34:03 pm
I'm sure there was a pen in there somewhere as well. The most blatant ball flicking onto the arm that I've seen.

The whole of the Gallowgate were up and convinced of it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Wednesday 21 December 2011, 11:35:33 pm
It was Anthony Taylor btw.

Only became a proper PL referee last season (reffed a couple the season before that).
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Thursday 22 December 2011, 11:19:29 pm
I'm sure there was a pen in there somewhere as well. The most blatant ball flicking onto the arm that I've seen.

The whole of the Gallowgate were up and convinced of it.

Had forgotten about that. Would like to see it back tbh. Definitely looked like handball to me. Would've had to be given if it was too given that the ball had travelled 25m.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 01:50:10 am
Phil Dowd and Howard Webb today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 01:53:12 am
What did Howard Webb do wrong?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 01:54:40 am
What did Howard Webb do wrong?

On reflection, nothing really :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 01:55:05 am
(http://i.imgur.com/mgEo9.png)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Shak on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 03:07:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/mgEo9.png)

:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 03:13:01 am
:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Scoreboard82 on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 04:33:30 pm
Happy that the pen was given v the mackems yesterday, but still can't believe Howard Webb is regarded as possibly the top referee in the country.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 04:39:41 pm
To be fair that penalty from yesterday looks bad in the replays etc but when I saw it in real time I thought it was a penalty.  The way he went over it looked like he'd been caught on the ankle and in real time you really couldn't tell he'd just fallen over.  The reaction of Osman himself and the other Everton players didn't help either.  Osman must have known he wasn't caught and still appealed and made out it was a penalty.  For that kind of blatant cheating and deceiving the match officials i'd like to see him given a retrospective red card.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 04:39:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mgEo9.png)
:spit:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NEEJ on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 04:50:28 pm
Was Klasnic's dive yesterday as ridiculous as it looked at the match? Seemed like the ref gave a free kick for a dive but then didn't book him.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mowen on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 04:54:23 pm
Was Klasnic's dive yesterday as ridiculous as it looked at the match? Seemed like the ref gave a free kick for a dive but then didn't book him.

I think that's what happened. I don't think he actually dived from the replays mind, just lost his footing. Didn't look like he appealed.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: 1964 on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 05:00:53 pm
He'd already booked Klasnic as well so he should have walked.  Once he gave a free kick its got to be a booking for diving.

If you want to see real diving however, wait till Friday.  Say what you like but Suarez is one of the worst I have ever (or should that be evra) seen.  He turns into a player and deliberately throws himself to the floor.  One cheating tw@t  :rant: :rant:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: michaelfoster on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 05:12:39 pm
Referee's Card Per Game - Top 10

Code: [Select]

Name                        G        YC         YC Per Game     

Mike Jones               11      50          4.55
Phil Dowd                13       55          4.23
Andre Marriner         8        33          4.13
Kevin Friend             10      40          4.00
Howard Webb          13      46          3.54
Chris Foy                  9        31          3.44
Mark Clattenberg    12       41          3.42
Neil Swarbrick          5         17         3.40
Martin Atkinson       14        46         3.29
Stuart Attwell          9         29         3.22
         
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 05:15:52 pm
If I was Chris Foy I wouldn't give a crap because Chris Hoy gets all the stick for it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 05:19:28 pm
If I was Chris Foy I wouldn't give a crap because Chris Hoy gets all the stick for it.

This is true :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 06:34:54 pm
Was Klasnic's dive yesterday as ridiculous as it looked at the match? Seemed like the ref gave a free kick for a dive but then didn't book him.

I think that's what happened. I don't think he actually dived from the replays mind, just lost his footing. Didn't look like he appealed.

Yeah, he slipped and wasn't looking for owt, fair play. Had to :lol: at Osman, like, thumping the ground in anger, I have to believe he felt he was caught by Clattermole as he was going to shoot, just a tap is enough. Moyes did him no favours, like, saying it wasn't a pen. "Thanks, boss."
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 06:36:01 pm
Was Klasnic's dive yesterday as ridiculous as it looked at the match? Seemed like the ref gave a free kick for a dive but then didn't book him.

I think that's what happened. I don't think he actually dived from the replays mind, just lost his footing. Didn't look like he appealed.

Yeah, he slipped and wasn't looking for owt, fair play. Had to :lol: at Osman, like, thumping the ground in anger, I have to believe he felt he was caught by Clattermole as he was going to shoot, just a tap is enough. Moyes did him no favours, like, saying it wasn't a pen. "Thanks, boss."

tbf Moyes would have looked like a fool to say anything but "It wasn't a pen".
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordiesned on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 06:38:15 pm
Lee Probert having a shocker right now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thenige on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 06:39:34 pm
Was Klasnic's dive yesterday as ridiculous as it looked at the match? Seemed like the ref gave a free kick for a dive but then didn't book him.

He slipped and I think to be fair he admitted as such straight away. Ref had already blown his whistle for the 'dive' but seeing Klasnic's reaction he made absolutely 100% the right decision. Good refereeing.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 07:03:29 pm
Was Klasnic's dive yesterday as ridiculous as it looked at the match? Seemed like the ref gave a free kick for a dive but then didn't book him.

He slipped and I think to be fair he admitted as such straight away. Ref had already blown his whistle for the 'dive' but seeing Klasnic's reaction he made absolutely 100% the right decision. Good refereeing.

:thup: Yup.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 07:46:08 pm
The Milijas sending off earlier was another f***ing joke btw.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: PM on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 07:49:58 pm
On the inconsistency front - Grant Holt just did something very similar (probably worse) than Conor Sammon yesterday and only got a bollocking for it.  I say 'only' in comparison, because the red card yesterday was obviously bollocks, even a yellow would've been harsh. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordiesned on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 08:07:39 pm
I love it when PM slates refereeing decisions. It's like we're winning him back from the dark side.  >:D :smug:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: PM on Tuesday 27 December 2011, 08:11:14 pm
I love it when PM slates refereeing decisions. It's like we're winning him back from the dark side.  >:D :smug:

:lol: I'm a football fan first and foremost and red cards like that one just leave me feeling  :kinnear:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Thursday 29 December 2011, 02:37:36 pm
Conor Sammon red card rescinded, Milijas red card upheld.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 29 December 2011, 02:40:32 pm
Watching The Premier League Years the other day, one awful red card that went against us was the Bellamy one at Highbury in the 3-1 win. Absolutely crackers decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Thursday 29 December 2011, 02:43:25 pm
Watching The Premier League Years the other day, one awful red card that went against us was the Bellamy one at Highbury in the 3-1 win. Absolutely crackers decision.

Remember when Shearer was pleading with the ref to not send Parlour off? You wouldn't get that today :smitten:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordiesned on Thursday 29 December 2011, 02:46:20 pm
Conor Sammon red card rescinded, Milijas red card upheld.

Both should have been rescinded tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Thursday 29 December 2011, 02:48:37 pm
Conor Sammon red card rescinded, Milijas red card upheld.

Both should have been rescinded tbh.

Aye. Probably unwilling to admit they were both wrong.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Friday 30 December 2011, 09:17:29 pm
Cheated by the referee again. Getting ridiculous now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fenham Mag on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:16:41 pm
Chris Foy again. Needs sacked.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: gggg on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:19:12 pm
Laughable.

Third time this season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:19:20 pm
Chris Foy again. Needs sacked.
Not a premiership game.  :troll:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:19:46 pm
how is this guy still a ref
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fenham Mag on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:20:50 pm
Chris Foy again. Needs sacked.
Not a premiership game.  :troll:
What's the Premiership?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fenham Mag on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:21:44 pm
I thought it was a blatant red card.

I'm detecting sarcasm after the Rodwell debacle?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:22:18 pm
I thought it was a blatant red card.

Aye, similar challenge to the one by De Jong that broke Ben Arfa's leg - off the ground, two footed, scissor motion.  Straight red.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: gggg on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:23:47 pm
Even Nani didn't react, the t*** tried to get Tiote sent off for no reason on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Shearergol on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:31:07 pm
I wouldn't mind if the ref had even seen it as a foul. He was playing on until Rooney got in his face.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Anderson on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:35:34 pm
Thought Webb was canny shocking the other night too, obviously the result papered over that. There was nothing major (well penalty aside, but that hardly mattered in the end :smug:), but the amount of silly little decisions that went their way was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:38:34 pm
Thought Webb was canny shocking the other night too, obviously the result papered over that. There was nothing major (well penalty aside, but that hardly mattered in the end :smug:), but the amount of silly little decisions that went their way was ridiculous.

He blew for 2 high feet which were less of the ground than the goal Wellbeck just scored there. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:40:41 pm
Thought Webb was canny shocking the other night too, obviously the result papered over that. There was nothing major (well penalty aside, but that hardly mattered in the end :smug:), but the amount of silly little decisions that went their way was ridiculous.
The free kick against Ba in the first half was the weirdest decision i've ever seen.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: gggg on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:42:16 pm
And Giggs tackle was alot worse than that one, got the man from behind and nowhere near the ball.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Anderson on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:53:16 pm
Thought Webb was canny shocking the other night too, obviously the result papered over that. There was nothing major (well penalty aside, but that hardly mattered in the end :smug:), but the amount of silly little decisions that went their way was ridiculous.

He blew for 2 high feet which were less of the ground than the goal Wellbeck just scored there. 

Aye, remember a few strange high feet decisions where it was six of one and half a dozen of another yet they got the freekick.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Parky on Sunday 8 January 2012, 01:54:11 pm
Rooney is like a spoilt child.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Benwell Lad on Sunday 8 January 2012, 02:09:55 pm
Yesterday the Blackburn keeper was booked for remonstrating briefly about a Newcastle player being offside.
On Wednesday evening Wayne Rooney was almost contantly in Howard Webb's face telling him what to do and after Newcastles first goal had a concerted and prolonged attack at the referee right up until the game kicked off again. He was not booked as were no other Man U players who repeatedly behaved the same way.
It looks like Rooney again today offered "advice" to the ref before Kompany was sent off.
What is the special reletionshio between Manchester United and officials ?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leffe186 on Sunday 8 January 2012, 02:10:30 pm
I wouldn't mind if the ref had even seen it as a foul. He was playing on until Rooney got in his face.

You see, this is what bugs me about Foy. You could see why he showed a red - although I think he was wrong - but he seems to be influenced by outside factors too much. I'm still livid about the Spurs match because it was a systematic favouring of one team over another.

/stillbitter
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Sunday 8 January 2012, 02:13:02 pm
I wouldn't mind if the ref had even seen it as a foul. He was playing on until Rooney got in his face.

You see, this is what bugs me about Foy. You could see why he showed a red - although I think he was wrong - but he seems to be influenced by outside factors too much. I'm still livid about the Spurs match because it was a systematic favouring of one team over another.

/stillbitter

Im far from a supporter of spurs but that stoke game recently was an absolute joke.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 8 January 2012, 02:17:08 pm
JacquiOatley Jacqui Oatley
Dermot Gallagher seemed to be suggesting that refs are now scared of "doing a Walton" and missing a bad one (Lampard) so showing a red to be safe!
5 minutes ago

That's a great way to ref, like :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 8 January 2012, 02:19:13 pm
JacquiOatley Jacqui Oatley
Dermot Gallagher seemed to be suggesting that refs are now scared of "doing a Walton" and missing a bad one (Lampard) so showing a red to be safe!
5 minutes ago

That's a great way to ref, like :lol:

That's a absolutely dreadful way to make a decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 8 January 2012, 04:45:41 pm
I thought it was a blatant red card.

Aye, similar challenge to the one by De Jong that broke Ben Arfa's leg - off the ground, two footed, scissor motion.  Straight red.

:thup: Yes, had to explain it to the bairn earlier how horrible it is getting hit with one of them. Couldn't find a reason how the de Jong one wasn't even a free kick like, just had to say the ref didn't see it (cos he brought it up). Hate lying to cover up for idiots, but kids need answers and rules.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: DubblyDubblyDubbly on Sunday 8 January 2012, 04:49:46 pm

What is the special reletionshio between Manchester United and officials ?
They bumio each other !
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cronky on Sunday 8 January 2012, 06:45:12 pm
The fact that he managed to get the ball and didn't get the man isn't the point at issue. (though I think if Nani hadn't jumped out of the way, he would have got him) He jumped into the tackle with two feet - that's considered dangerous and it's a red.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 8 January 2012, 06:52:39 pm
The fact that he managed to get the ball and didn't get the man isn't the point at issue. (though I think if Nani hadn't jumped out of the way, he would have got him) He jumped into the tackle with two feet - that's considered dangerous and it's a red.

There was nothing about the tackle that was dangerous. These things should be judged on the merit of each individual incident, not a series of tickboxes about two feet, off the ground, from behind - the rules don't say anything about any of those things. The rules only say that a red card can be given for "serious foul play". Kompany's tackle could, in no way, be considered to fit that description imo.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Neil on Sunday 8 January 2012, 06:53:21 pm
It was a f***ing horrendous decision, on a par with Rodwell's.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 8 January 2012, 06:58:07 pm
His trailing leg was never in a position to cause serious harm to Nani, therefore it was not a proper 'two footed challenge' and therefore not a red. Or a yellow. Or a foul.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: teohgk on Sunday 8 January 2012, 07:08:19 pm
His trailing leg was never in a position to cause serious harm to Nani, therefore it was not a proper 'two footed challenge' and therefore not a red. Or a yellow. Or a foul.

 :thup: watched the replay , it was a well timed tackle
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cronky on Sunday 8 January 2012, 11:07:02 pm
If they appeal, it will not be rescinded, unlike Rodwell's.

I've lost count of the number of times refs have explained this. It's the style and technique of the tackle that's key, not the end product. He jumped into the tackle with both feet, studs first. The fact that Nani jumped out of the way and only one foot got the ball is not the point.

And incidentally, his other leg wasn't 'trailing', it was parallel.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mowen on Monday 9 January 2012, 05:35:45 pm
To stick up for the ref in this one...I know I'm in a fairly small minority but I have no problem with that being a red. Once both the feet are in the air and facing forwards you have utterly no control over what you're doing and could cause a huge amount of damage, particularly with someone running full pelt at you. It was reckless and dangerous and as far as I'm concerned he shouldn't be winning any appeal.

I must admit I'm in an almost uniquely sensitive state about challenges that have the potential to break a leg at the moment mind :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Saturday 21 January 2012, 04:26:17 pm
Pisses me off that he actually got that decision right. He has been wrong on absolutely everything today but manages to get the second penalty right.

f***ing idiot.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:29:05 pm
Pisses me off that he actually got that decision right. He has been wrong on absolutely everything today but manages to get the second penalty right.

f***ing idiot.

Wrong.

Johnson kicks the ball 10 yards to the right and then dives into Krul.  Clear Dive by one of the worst culprits.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:29:44 pm
"Dives into Krul" :lol:

He comes flying out at Johnson man.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:30:36 pm
"Dives into Krul" :lol:

He comes flying out at Johnson man.

He did fly out but he got the ball
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:30:58 pm
"Dives into Krul" :lol:

He comes flying out at Johnson man.

Johnson is half way on the floor before Krul makes contact.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:31:43 pm
Mason is a joke of a Ref that gets bullied by players, he is a f***ing wimp and a shocking referee
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:32:27 pm
Still a pen for me like. Needless from Krul.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:33:10 pm
Still a pen for me like. Needless from Krul.

It was rash, but Johnson is a diving c***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:33:44 pm
Still a pen for me like. Needless from Krul.

It was rash, but Johnson is a diving c***.

So every challenge in the box is automatically not a pen? :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:35:46 pm
Still a pen for me like. Needless from Krul.

It was rash, but Johnson is a diving c***.

So every challenge in the box is automatically not a pen? :lol:

Referee can only give a Penalty if he is 100% sure it was.  Hence why most are not given when they should be.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: CPL on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:37:38 pm
To be fair i thought it was a penatly for the Johnson 1 on 1 and Santon probably should have gone off already before the 2nd incident with Duff and that probably should have been a second yellow although it was outside the box.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thenige on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:42:43 pm
Yeah decision his outside the box cost us but Santon could have gone earlier so we had some luck. Krul one was stonewall. Annoying and worth a moan based on the fact it changed the complection of the game but certainly not awful decisions.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: YANKEEBLEEDSMAGPIE on Saturday 21 January 2012, 05:43:13 pm
It definitely was a penalty for Johnson by the book, but the rule sucks a bit for me. 

When Johnson tries to dribble around Krul, his final touch before the foul is just awful.  He hit it way too hard and Colo would have easily won the ball.  Johnson is a smart player and takes that awful touch but knows he's going to get it from Krul, and then takes the foul.  The ref rightly gives the PK. 

For me, that should be an indirect kick in the box since the scoring opportunity was completely gone when the foul occurred.  That's asking a lot from refs who get these calls wrong way too often, but if we are giving referees the latitude to judge 'scoring opportunities' on other parts of the pitch (even 50 yards away from goal), I don't think it's unreasonable to give them that same discretion in the box.

No chance that will happen though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Saturday 21 January 2012, 06:24:01 pm
Still a pen for me like. Needless from Krul.

It was rash, but Johnson is a diving c***.

 :nods: This is true. From when he was a kid at Birmingham he has a ridiculous history of diving in the penalty area. Good player, doesn't need to, but does, the c***. iirc he got Steve Harper sent off with a dive in whatever they called the League Cup in those days in about 2000 and I've never forgiven the diving cheating c***. Or Steve b****** Bennett, also a c***. My house, home of the grudge.  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 22 January 2012, 03:17:04 pm
Howard Webb keeps  the awful   officiating on a run. f***ing horrible ref, most overrated ref in the world.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Sunday 22 January 2012, 03:27:26 pm
You saying it wasn't a penalty?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 22 January 2012, 03:28:45 pm
You saying it wasn't a penalty?

:lol:

that was 7min before the penalty or so, which was probably his only correct decision all day. Had a terrible game.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Sunday 22 January 2012, 03:30:09 pm
ah sorry
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
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Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 28 January 2012, 07:15:36 pm
Cheers Lee you stupid c***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Saturday 28 January 2012, 07:18:53 pm
Wasn't a league game dafty. Trollololol.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Numbers on Saturday 28 January 2012, 08:31:31 pm
OPEN YOUR f***ing EYES YOU BIG EARED t***.

Clear penalty, c*** was trolling us.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:48:08 pm
Match hasn't finished BUT Phil Dowd has been f***ing s***, the fat t***
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:50:48 pm
Pathetic. Wonder if Hoilett will get a retrospective booking for that blatant as f*** dive :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Richo on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:51:13 pm
I always get the impression that Dowd genuinely think fans are there to watch him. I thought the same for Rob Stiles. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: GoranBadlund on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:51:42 pm
Destroys the game...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:52:09 pm
I could see the Hoilett dive from my shitty stream, how on earth Dowd missed it is beyond me

and the Penalty, my word
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: James on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:52:12 pm
Is it the same ref as for Fulham, the linesmen are the same...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: GoranBadlund on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:53:05 pm
Well yes all the crazy money and s*** like that is a big WRONG with football today but the refs man...so many crazy decisions...I give up soon.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ishmael on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:55:48 pm
Dowd is terrible.  That's all.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:56:20 pm
People seriously think this fat useless c*** should be able to red card people for telling him to f*** off? :shifty:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Numbers on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:56:27 pm
f***ing terrible tonight like..... :knuppel2:
 
f***ed over everyway we look by the FA it seems. I can picture the c***s sniggering..."We will give them Phil Dowd vs Blackburn that'll teach the f***ers"  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Colo's Short and Curlies on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 08:57:32 pm
Is it the same ref as for Fulham, the linesmen are the same...

I was wondering how we had Massey again, surely after a game involving 'controversial' decision making there would be a gap before they officiated the same team again.

Mind you, I think Best has a crush on her, keeps trying to get her attention and making her raise her flag
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 09:54:04 pm
f*** you Phil Dowd, you are a big lump of s***

Still delighted with the 3 points
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 10:06:59 pm
Yeah, Dowd was useless tonight.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Lotus on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 10:13:55 pm
Is that he's so f**king arrogant to go with it that so pisses me off!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 10:14:08 pm
Dowd was probably the only person on that pitch worse than Ameobi, disgraceful refereeing. Mind, I'm still more livid with Hoilett for that dive, it pisses me off so bad.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: tsah on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 10:14:21 pm
Dowd?  Dont mind him TBH...sort of a lucky charm IMHO...

Anyone else realise he was ref in 2 of our more enjoyable games of recent years?

31st Oct 2010 & 5th Feb 2011....

Look em up!

Now if your after a bad'un...how about Trelford?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 10:14:48 pm
Is that he's so f**king arrogant to go with it that so pisses me off!
His massive belly doesn't help like, how does he pass the fitness tests?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 1 February 2012, 10:15:17 pm
Dowd?  Dont mind him TBH...sort of a lucky charm IMHO...

Anyone else realise he was ref in 2 of our more enjoyable games of recent years?

31st Oct 2010 & 5th Feb 2011....

Look em up!

Now if your after a bad'un...how about Trelford?

Waddles refused to mention his name on the weekend commentary.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Thursday 2 February 2012, 02:34:43 pm
Just been watching Football First.

I thought the dive was bad at the game being right in front of it.

But for christ sake that is up there with the worst cheating i have ever seen. They were at it all night mind you, and Dowd gave them everyhing last night. Some of the 'fouls' we conceded were ridiculous.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rocker on Thursday 2 February 2012, 02:36:02 pm
Just been watching Football First.

I thought the dive was bad at the game being right in front of it.

But for christ sake that is up there with the worst cheating i have ever seen. They were at it all night mind you, and Dowd gave them everyhing last night. Some of the 'fouls' we conceded were ridiculous.

Any decent crack last night mate? New songs etc?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Thursday 2 February 2012, 02:37:58 pm
6 of us attempted the 'Alan Pardew (clap clap) song. But i think we were too low down for it to catch on tbh.

And about 100 different Cisse ones. Some good some awful :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wilson on Thursday 2 February 2012, 02:45:47 pm
Is that he's so f**king arrogant to go with it that so pisses me off!

aye, minces aboot thinking it's the fuckin Phil Dowd show. Prick.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ash on Thursday 2 February 2012, 02:49:07 pm
6 of us attempted the 'Alan Pardew (clap clap) song. But i think we were too low down for it to catch on tbh.

And about 100 different Cisse ones. Some good some awful :lol:

Always seem to get stuck in the s**** seats for starting songs! On the plus side, we were spotted plenty of times on the highlights apparently. Jonny rang me earlier to say he'd just watched some of it back and picked me out going mental when Krul saved the pen. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Thursday 2 February 2012, 02:50:00 pm
6 of us attempted the 'Alan Pardew (clap clap) song. But i think we were too low down for it to catch on tbh.

And about 100 different Cisse ones. Some good some awful :lol:

Always seem to get stuck in the s**** seats for starting songs! On the plus side, we were spotted plenty of times on the highlights apparently. Jonny rang me earlier to say he'd just watched some of it back and picked me out going mental when Krul saved the pen. :lol:

Aye i've been cringeing at myself a few times :lol:

One in particular when i'm screaming at Simpson for making a mistake
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Monday 6 February 2012, 05:05:26 pm
Watch this: http://bcove.me/nl2zdduv (http://bcove.me/nl2zdduv)

Guess what?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4111528/Manchester-United-manager-Alex-Ferguson-swerves-FA-punishment.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4111528/Manchester-United-manager-Alex-Ferguson-swerves-FA-punishment.html)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Monday 6 February 2012, 05:17:16 pm
No other manager would get away with the stuff he was saying about that linesman. Reminds me of when he did the same thing when we played them and said "I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get a game again"
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Incognito on Monday 6 February 2012, 05:38:37 pm
Is it the same ref as for Fulham, the linesmen are the same...

I was wondering how we had Massey again, surely after a game involving 'controversial' decision making there would be a gap before they officiated the same team again.

Mind you, I think Best has a crush on her, keeps trying to get her attention and making her raise her flag

Probably knows her as she's from Coventry.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: The Bonk on Monday 6 February 2012, 05:40:38 pm
Gifted two soft pens in the second half and he f***ing complains like a sour old c***. The entitlement he thinks he deserves is unbelievable, respect what he's done, but can't stand that attitude.  Makes taking 4 of 6 pts off them all that much sweeter.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 7 February 2012, 07:21:54 pm
Sorry if this is a "Giggs" but then I have a responsible full-time position of employment which takes up a fair bit of my time during the day, so kiss my arse.

Anyway...look at this:

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3184/hwebb.jpg)

And to think this man officiated a World Cup Final!  :huff:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: kingdawson on Tuesday 7 February 2012, 08:35:33 pm
Hmmm you don't by any chance think that's a legit picture do you?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 7 February 2012, 08:37:38 pm
Clear photoshop like.




(whoosh?)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 7 February 2012, 09:58:43 pm
Hmmm you don't by any chance think that's a legit picture do you?

Yes of course I do, to the extent that I have sent an email to Richard Scudamore and David Bernstein and my MP to complain, and will be recruiting signatures on my own homemade petition, shortly...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 8 February 2012, 09:02:08 am
Hmmm you don't by any chance think that's a legit picture do you?

Yes of course I do, to the extent that I have sent an email to Richard Scudamore and David Bernstein and my MP to complain, and will be recruiting signatures on my own homemade petition, shortly...

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heron on Wednesday 8 February 2012, 05:58:30 pm
Referees have an incredibly hard job to be fair.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heneage on Saturday 11 February 2012, 07:36:15 pm
Missed a blatant penalty and was quite clearly in favour of the home team. Given how s*** we played it'll get swept under the media rug, but once again the referee's in this country prove they aren't even mediocre.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Saturday 11 February 2012, 07:38:54 pm
Missed a blatant penalty and was quite clearly in favour of the home team. Given how s*** we played it'll get swept under the media rug, but once again the referee's in this country prove they aren't even mediocre.

Agree with every word of that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 11 February 2012, 07:41:33 pm
Missed a blatant penalty and was quite clearly in favour of the home team. Given how s*** we played it'll get swept under the media rug, but once again the referee's in this country prove they aren't even mediocre.

:thup: Thought it was woeful again. That corner decision from Ba's freekick was terrible too.

Influenced by the crowd completely.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Saturday 11 February 2012, 11:52:53 pm
Missed a blatant penalty and was quite clearly in favour of the home team. Given how s*** we played it'll get swept under the media rug, but once again the referee's in this country prove they aren't even mediocre.

I would say they strive to attain mediocre, but they barely try to appear unbiased. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 11 February 2012, 11:53:50 pm
Missed a blatant penalty and was quite clearly in favour of the home team. Given how s*** we played it'll get swept under the media rug, but once again the referee's in this country prove they aren't even mediocre.

:thup: Thought it was woeful again. That corner decision from Ba's freekick was terrible too.

Influenced by the crowd completely.

Also will the FA do something about the blatant play acting by Defoe.  Cheating cockney c***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Saturday 11 February 2012, 11:56:20 pm
Missed a blatant penalty and was quite clearly in favour of the home team. Given how s*** we played it'll get swept under the media rug, but once again the referee's in this country prove they aren't even mediocre.

:thup: Thought it was woeful again. That corner decision from Ba's freekick was terrible too.

Influenced by the crowd completely.

Also will the FA do something about the blatant play acting by Defoe.  Cheating cockney c***.

Yeah, that was a joke.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: geordie_b on Saturday 11 February 2012, 11:59:04 pm
It seems like we have had Sian Massey for most of our recent fixtures, I reckon its something like 3 of our last 4 away games
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Sunday 12 February 2012, 09:02:38 am
Missed a blatant penalty and was quite clearly in favour of the home team. Given how s*** we played it'll get swept under the media rug, but once again the referee's in this country prove they aren't even mediocre.

:thup: Thought it was woeful again. That corner decision from Ba's freekick was terrible too.

Influenced by the crowd completely.

Also will the FA do something about the blatant play acting by Defoe.  Cheating cockney c***.

Yeah, that was a joke.

There was a close up of Harry telling to Defoe to stop being a knob. All the 50/50 penalties we could of had we never get and our defenders looked scared to tackle in the box yesterday due to penalty after penalty against them.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sima on Sunday 12 February 2012, 10:31:26 am
It seems like we have had Sian Massey for most of our recent fixtures, I reckon its something like 3 of our last 4 away games

She didn't see Adebayor's handball either.

Slut.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 12 February 2012, 10:37:58 am
It seems like we have had Sian Massey for most of our recent fixtures, I reckon its something like 3 of our last 4 away games

She didn't see Adebayor's handball either.

Slut.

Tbf, nO one did in real time.  Though referee had best view in the stadium.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 15 February 2012, 10:55:02 pm
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Mistake-prone-referee-Stuart-Attwell-axed-from-Premier-League-duty-for-an-unspecified-time-article865866.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Mistake-prone-referee-Stuart-Attwell-axed-from-Premier-League-duty-for-an-unspecified-time-article865866.html)
Quote
Ref Attwell relegated from Premier League

Published 22:31 15/02/12 By Alan Nixon


Young ref Stuart Attwell has been dropped from the Premier League’s elite list - after a nightmare run of mistakes.

The official will spend an unspecified time in the lower divisions following a review of his performances as his fast-tracked career comes to a halt.

Attwell, just 29, has had some high-profile slips since being put on the list a couple of years ago and has not had a top-flight match since New Year’s Day.

The move is by ‘mutual consent’, but Attwell came under heavy criticism for red card decisions this season - and was also infamous for the phantom goal he gave in the Watford-Reading game in 2008 during his rise.

Last December, Attwell sent off Gary Cahill, then of Bolton, for fouling Scott Parker only yards over the halfway line, saying he had denied the Tottenham player a clear goal-scoring opportunity. The red card was overturned on appeal.

The Warwickshire whistler was also on UEFA duty this season, with his most recent match at that level littered with 10 bookings.

In a statement, Professional Game Match Officials Limited general manager Mike Riley backed Attwell to improve as a referee and return to the top level.

"Throughout his career in the Select Group Stuart has demonstrated great courage and mental strength in responding to the challenges that he has faced," Riley said.

"He has shown many of the attributes of a top flight official but the Premier League is an exacting standard with huge demands. It is imperative that PGMOL deliver the best officiating possible to the English game at all levels.

"This is not the end for Stuart. There are several match officials who have returned to the National List and benefited from it.

"Stuart has a high level of maturity and responsibility and I'm convinced that he has a long-term future as a referee at the very highest level.

"PGMOL sincerely hopes to be welcoming Stuart back to the Select Group in the future."

Attwell said: "I have learned a great deal from my involvement in the Select Group over the last four years and I am now looking forward to building on that valuable experience.

"I strongly believe I have a lot to offer refereeing, and I now look forward with commitment and enthusiasm to the new challenge that I am undertaking.

"This is supported by a determination to continue my career development, and return to the Select Group as soon as possible."
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Spark on Wednesday 15 February 2012, 10:56:49 pm
Aye, let the lower leagues put up with his s*** refereeing. Who cares about them? Bollocks.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan on Wednesday 15 February 2012, 10:57:56 pm
Good news, shocking ref. Can think of a few more that need relegating as well.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 15 February 2012, 10:58:47 pm
If anyone deserved to be demoted I'd done it Chris Foy.  Attwell being made an scapegoat for the how bad they have been as a bunch?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 25 February 2012, 05:57:44 pm
The referee today was...yeah, you get the idea...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Saturday 25 February 2012, 07:25:11 pm
Who was it? he was dreadful. The amount of times we weren't given blatant free kicks. The standard in this country is sooooo bad.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Saturday 25 February 2012, 08:49:15 pm
He reffed our game against Arsenal at the start of the season, so I wonder if that was on his mind.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rey Mysterio on Saturday 25 February 2012, 10:25:58 pm
Peter Walton. He seemed to enjoy chuckling whilst giving s*** decisions which isn't irritating in the slightest.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heneage on Sunday 26 February 2012, 01:31:44 am
I still got the feeling the freekick for there second was a touch soft, and could of easily gone our way for the tackle on Jonas.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 26 February 2012, 01:36:47 am
I still got the feeling the freekick for there second was a touch soft, and could of easily gone our way for the tackle on Jonas.

Wow, same as the 50k.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 4 March 2012, 03:53:51 pm
Mike Dean fighting with himself for worst refereeing performance of the season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 4 March 2012, 03:58:11 pm
Mike Dean fighting with himself for worst refereeing performance of the season.

Ay only thing he got right was the two penalties and the cards even though Cattermole and Gardner shouldve been off at some point for persistent fouling.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Sunday 4 March 2012, 04:01:25 pm
right to give the penalty. there should now be 3 or 4 penalties every game to keep it fair
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 4 March 2012, 04:03:09 pm
Penalty was spot on.

Shame the same thing happened to us about three times in the second half and he didn't even blink. Consistency.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 4 March 2012, 04:10:45 pm
If the law was applied as it was today Stoke would be giving away 20 pens a game
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Sunday 4 March 2012, 04:11:15 pm
Was ridiculous today. He ruined what was going to be a good match.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Greg on Sunday 4 March 2012, 04:29:33 pm
I honestly think we could have had 7 penalties today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 4 March 2012, 07:38:58 pm
I honestly think we could have had 7 penalties today.

I can count at least 3 from top of my head.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 4 March 2012, 07:41:03 pm
Couldn't had picked a worse referee for a football match ever.

Why on earth does Dean pick up on shirt pulls why other's don't?  Shows the refs don't have a clue about the rules of the game and implement them.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 4 March 2012, 09:09:15 pm
The push on Demba, shirt grab on Williamson, shirt grab/pull back on Ben Arfa, challenge on Shola (that was given), Turner handball.

That's without watching it back.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 4 March 2012, 09:12:06 pm
The push on Demba, shirt grab on Williamson, shirt grab/pull back on Ben Arfa, challenge on Shola (that was given), Turner handball.

That's without watching it back.

That Ben Arfa one was beyond belief.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 4 March 2012, 09:49:42 pm
Dean's absolutely hopeless.

Why is it that some clubs can dictate what referees they get? Graham Poll never refereed an Arsenal game for years after the Campbell incident against us, and Clattenburg has just overseen his first Everton game in about five years since the hash he made of the Merseyside derby. Why were we given a referee who has f***ed us over and cost us three points with a disgusting and indefensible decision once already this season?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 4 March 2012, 09:51:04 pm
Dean's absolutely hopeless.

Why is it that some clubs can dictate what referees they get? Graham Poll never refereed an Arsenal game for years after the Campbell incident against us, and Clattenburg has just overseen his first Everton game in about five years since the hash he made of the Merseyside derby. Why were we given a referee who has f***ed us over and cost us three points with a disgusting and indefensible decision once already this season?

I have no doubt that some clubs are paying backhanders to the FA regarding this. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heneage on Sunday 4 March 2012, 09:51:42 pm
The Turner handball.  :jesuswept:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JCONA on Sunday 4 March 2012, 09:52:04 pm
Lets be clear: It absolutely was a definite penalty. WTF was Williamson trying to do ?!

But other than that GOD AWFUL refereeing. I cannot believe how many times our lads got taken out with him waving to them to get up. Absolutely took the p*ss.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 4 March 2012, 09:53:20 pm
He seemed to have decided in his own head that Jonas is a diving b****** and every challenge on him was a feign.

Only gave fk's in his favour when he absolutely had to.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 4 March 2012, 10:42:25 pm
MOTD2 gave him 9/10 :mackems: :mackems: :mackems:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 4 March 2012, 10:43:33 pm
What game were these watching?  Nothing on the McClean challenge.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JCONA on Sunday 4 March 2012, 10:46:12 pm
MOTD2 gave him 9/10 :mackems: :mackems: :mackems:

Actually said 9.5/10 not that it matters. Absolutely cant believe this. He was part of the problem why the game was so ugly cos he didnt deal with the challenges properly and consistently.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 4 March 2012, 10:48:48 pm
It must have been an absolute b****** to referee tbf, but we should have had another pen at least.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 4 March 2012, 10:55:24 pm
(http://i44.tinypic.com/169i97d.jpg)

oooooo matron  :hom:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 4 March 2012, 10:55:54 pm
Mignolet was allowed to take however the f*** long he wanted for every goal kick as well. Should have been booked within a minute of the second half, would've made a huge difference.
He was an utter disgrace, Tiote wasn't allowed to tackle today and the mackems could do pretty much whatever the f*** they wanted. At least he got two big decisions spot on (Sessegnon and our penalty).
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 4 March 2012, 10:56:08 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heneage on Monday 5 March 2012, 05:38:03 pm
So that's twice (Chelsea and Sunderland) Dean has missed game changing decisions?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Monday 5 March 2012, 05:44:11 pm
So that's twice (Chelsea and Sunderland) Dean has missed game changing decisions?

Both in the opening minutes too :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heneage on Monday 5 March 2012, 05:49:09 pm
So that's twice (Chelsea and Sunderland) Dean has missed game changing decisions?

Both in the opening minutes too :lol:
Aye true, I meant the Turner handball, but the Cattermole challenge was just as bad.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 5 March 2012, 07:19:15 pm
So that's twice (Chelsea and Sunderland) Dean has missed game changing decisions?

Both in the opening minutes too :lol:
Aye true, I meant the Turner handball, but the Cattermole challenge was just as bad.

I think McClean was fortunate as well for his challenge on Simpson.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Monday 5 March 2012, 07:28:51 pm
its the fact he got the same punishment as McClean which annoyed me. It might have been a red card but wouldnt have been that arsed if McClean had got a yellow and Simpson didn't
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Monday 5 March 2012, 07:31:04 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2agsygy.jpg)

Continuing my 'Why Mike Dean is a hypocrite' series...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 5 March 2012, 07:33:06 pm
Keep them coming, I can't stand the t***.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ash on Monday 5 March 2012, 07:38:45 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2agsygy.jpg)

Continuing my 'Why Mike Dean is a hypocrite' series...

Not really. How's he supposed to see that? O'Shea's been clever with how he's holding onto Williamson, like most other defenders do. Williamson made it clear as day what he was doing. The two incidents are completely different, albeit both shirt pulling.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Monday 5 March 2012, 07:57:45 pm
(http://i40.tinypic.com/zodgna.jpg)  (http://i40.tinypic.com/2lar6on.jpg)

Making no attempt to get the ball...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Monday 5 March 2012, 07:59:43 pm
And my favourite one of all:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2zflwn7.jpg)

Chris Waddle described this "O'Shea took the ball" - Aye, he also pushed Ba off the ball to get it :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 5 March 2012, 08:01:31 pm
Couldn't believe Waddle yesterday like, shouldn't bother trying to have a quiet pint in Newcastle ever again.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Monday 5 March 2012, 08:12:52 pm
For me the most annoying thing was the fact that Cattermole and Mclean's tackles were bookings (which they may well be) but the bookings he dished out to us were a joke. And the freekicks were shocking too.

The worst being a Tiote 'foul' on the halfway line when he won the ball amazingly well.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Monday 5 March 2012, 08:29:36 pm
The worst being a Tiote 'foul' on the halfway line when he won the ball amazingly well.

That the one when he kind of turned the ball away and put his back to the midfielder? Thought that was a class challenge.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hughesy on Monday 5 March 2012, 08:38:10 pm
When you see the stills like that, it just rams home how important the consistency is if Dean is going to make the decision he did with Williamson.  Shocking that ESPN, BBC and the newspapers haven't picked up on this, yet will bang on about the great decision re Williamson.  Appalling really.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Monday 5 March 2012, 08:51:16 pm
When you see the stills like that, it just rams home how important the consistency is if Dean is going to make the decision he did with Williamson.  Shocking that ESPN, BBC and the newspapers haven't picked up on this, yet will bang on about the great decision re Williamson.  Appalling really.

Aye. Seeing those stills have really p*ssed me off. Consistency my arse.

Mike Dean (and the media) thinks he's a top referee but he bottles so many decisions, the main examples being the David Luiz incident at St. James' in December and Cattermole yesterday in the first few minutes. Though Dean does get a point for sending off Cattermole at full time.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: michaelfoster on Tuesday 6 March 2012, 06:14:48 pm
No Premier League game for Mike Dean this weekend, not even as 4th official :D
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JCONA on Tuesday 6 March 2012, 08:29:43 pm
The worst being a Tiote 'foul' on the halfway line when he won the ball amazingly well.

That the one when he kind of turned the ball away and put his back to the midfielder? Thought that was a class challenge.
Me n me mates all looked at each other and were like "that was easily the cleanest and best challenge in the whole half"
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Sunday 11 March 2012, 12:02:04 am
Seems Mike Dean is going to spend a few weeks in the Championship...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Sunday 11 March 2012, 12:10:02 am
Good.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: michaelfoster on Sunday 11 March 2012, 12:12:11 am
Peter Walton is retiring at the end of March, his last match will be 31st March as he is taking up a new job as General Manager of refereeing in United States & Canada on 2nd April
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 11 March 2012, 12:35:38 am
Mike Dean got the Luiz incident wrong and didn't do a great job last weekend either, but I for one think he's still the best ref the league has to offer.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Aphrodite on Sunday 11 March 2012, 12:41:53 am
Mike Dean got the Luiz incident wrong and didn't do a great job last weekend either, but I for one think he's still the best ref the league has to offer.

Agreed, it's not that rare for Select Group refs to do Football League games after all, there are 18 refs for 10 PL games after all!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Monday 12 March 2012, 10:00:09 pm
5 minutes?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 12 March 2012, 10:06:25 pm
Referees need to get tougher with diving and Arsenal in particular every challenge in every game they go to ground, if a man beats them they go to ground. Time for referees to take note, fair enough Arsenal are s*** at set pieces and often don't get goals from it but it stops the others teams from attacking and having possession.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Sunday 1 April 2012, 05:22:25 pm
Ref had a good game today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 1 April 2012, 05:24:46 pm
Ref had a good game today.


For us, aye. He was shocking.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Sunday 1 April 2012, 05:28:17 pm
Ref had a good game today.


For us, aye. He was shocking.

Aye. Missed handball.
Perch could have been sent off at the end.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Sunday 1 April 2012, 05:31:15 pm
Ref had a good game today.


For us, aye. He was shocking.

Aye. Missed handball.
Perch could have been sent off at the end.

Perch and Willi were in his line of sight for the handball, it came off Willys face anyway, we only denied them an own goal lol. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Sunday 1 April 2012, 05:33:48 pm
Should have been a penalty etc, but in fairness it happened very quickly and was only about three inches from being off his shoulder and no problem. One of those that looks miles more obvious on a slow motion replay.

In any case, when you've got Luiz Suarez claiming like f*** for a handball you're bound to have doubts.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Sunday 1 April 2012, 05:36:34 pm
Should have been a penalty etc, but in fairness it happened very quickly and was only about three inches from being off his shoulder and no problem. One of those that looks miles more obvious on a slow motion replay.

In any case, when you've got Luiz Suarez claiming like f*** for a handball you're bound to have doubts.

Skysports replayed it soo many times I missed Cisse I think getting taken out like 8 mins worth of replays of Simo later.  Where as they only showed Carroll trippin on a blade of grass 2 times. I know I`m not imagining how biased Sky is sometimes.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leffe186 on Sunday 1 April 2012, 06:46:33 pm
Not seen the whole match yet, but from what I could see the main problem was with the linos. Ref wasn't great though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Thursday 5 April 2012, 03:23:42 am
Was AR for a high school boys play off game this week and they were showing the game live on the big screen TV at the stadium using  cameras up in the stands and along the touchlines .

It certainly increases the pressure on you as a referee to know that your decisions will be immediately replayed on screen for all to see.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Sunday 8 April 2012, 10:37:45 pm
s**** refereeing today like.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 8 April 2012, 10:40:35 pm
Aye, pathetic tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: PM on Monday 9 April 2012, 11:20:14 am
Bad weekend.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: SiLvOR on Monday 9 April 2012, 11:32:29 am
I don't think it helps that the linesmen in this country refuse to make any big calls 90% of the time. Seem too s*** scared to make a big call which may be wrong so would rather leave it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 9 April 2012, 12:36:22 pm
That linesman from Chelsea-Wigan game has been taking out of a game tomorrow, hope he is suspended.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ishmael on Monday 9 April 2012, 12:37:26 pm
Been given a night off as a reward for his work.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ishmael on Monday 9 April 2012, 12:57:23 pm
If you search for "Ivanovic punches Wigan player" in a really well known video hosting website you will see why said player is facing FA action for said punch.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ATB on Monday 9 April 2012, 01:21:20 pm
Think it's crazy that nothing happens. I see no charm at all with all the mistakes, they should just not happen. Of course, goal cameras should already have been introduced (crazy that it hasn´t).

Then I think the idea to get each team the chance to challenge a decision 2-3 times a game, and if you get them right you get a new chance, seems like an good idea. The argument that it would stop the "flow" in the game is just absurd to me. After a controversial decision the "flow" stops anyway with all the argument.

In addition, you should be able to give the fourth official referee access to video images to help the head referee. In that way they could easily have correct the decisions in the Chelsea and the Man Utd games.

Of course we will never get every decision right as it is an judgement sport where different parties will think differently about every decision. But the main thing is that such obvious situations as happened over the weekend would not happen (or the one were Ireland didn´t qualify for the European championship...), and that is the main thing for me. To help the referees, not to leave them alone.

I'm actually still upset over the Chelsea victory, and I just pray that those decisions in that game won´t affect the outcome of our season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 9 April 2012, 07:23:37 pm
Thought today's ref was s****.  Never penalised Bolton for lots of niggly fouls (remember Swansea doing the same thing).
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Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Monday 9 April 2012, 07:25:54 pm
Thought today's ref was s****.  Never penalised Bolton for lots of niggly fouls (remember Swansea doing the same thing).

I thought he had a good game, was fairly consistent

His inability to count to 10 p*ssed a lot of us off
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 9 April 2012, 07:28:32 pm
Thought today's ref was s****.  Never penalised Bolton for lots of niggly fouls (remember Swansea doing the same thing).

I thought he had a good game, was fairly consistent

His inability to count to 10 p*ssed a lot of us off

s****, constitutes a good performance in my referee performance chart.

Yeap, that FK 2nd half where the whole crowd saw he counted to 9 and was more about 8 by the time HBA took it.  Would had scored if it was on target mind.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toonpete1892 on Monday 9 April 2012, 07:46:54 pm
That freekick in the first half and the inability to give anything, bar the linesman flag within 10yds of the half way line, were errors for a start. Combined with two clear yellows in the build up to HBA's goal and his performance was weak. Clearly a ref wanting to allow the game to flow and make a decisive name for himself but weak to make a decision. His learning curve from the C'ship was obvious.

And its about time we stopped showing minutes on the board for nowt. In the first half today we stopped for 30s for fat arse to tie his shoe lace and a fake 'injury' before our corner. We could have easily have played on both times so no need to stop the watch. The FA are obsessed about extra minutes
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toonpete1892 on Monday 9 April 2012, 07:49:52 pm
Let alone that lunge from behind on Cabaye 2nd half? It think it was Cabaye
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Monday 9 April 2012, 10:38:00 pm
And again our CL rivals gets some incredible decisions going their way. Shocking stuff from the ref in that Spurs game.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:03:51 pm
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The FA
Derry appeal dismissed


Tuesday, 10 April, 2012

QPR midfielder to serve one match suspension.

Queens Park Rangers midfielder Shaun Derry will serve a one match suspension with immediate effect after his claim of wrongful dismissal was rejected by a Regulatory Commission today [Tuesday 10 April].

Derry was dismissed for denying a goalscoring opportunity in the Premier League match against Manchester United on Sunday 8 April 2012.

What a joke.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:05:08 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:05:23 pm
And again our CL rivals gets some incredible decisions going their way. Shocking stuff from the ref in that Spurs game.

Sod Spurs lol, Chelsea have won 4 points in last 2 games due to wrong ref decisions, if they were doing thier jobs properly Chelsea would be practically out of the race for 4th already.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:05:36 pm
Dafuq. It was offside, ffs. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Anon on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:07:36 pm
How the f*** can it be upheld for denying a goalscoring opportunity if it wasn't a f***ing opportunity as he was offside!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:08:20 pm
Forget the offside, it wasn't a f***ing pen :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Anon on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:09:23 pm
Forget the offside, it wasn't a f***ing pen :lol:

Well, yes there's that too :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordiesned on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:11:06 pm
Offside first of all.

Then it wasn't a foul it was a dive.

And even if considered a foul and was onside he wouldn't have got the ball so it wasn't a clear goalscoring opportunity!

The FA are a joke.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:13:39 pm
Forget the offside, it wasn't a f***ing pen :lol:

This is true too  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:13:54 pm
What the f***? That is just utterly f***ing ridiculous! Pathetic! Goes to show that the FA clearly don't even want to do anything about cheating diving c***s like Young. f***s sake.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:14:48 pm
Has Ivanovic and/or Kaboul received a ban yet btw?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:17:00 pm
Has Ivanovic and/or Kaboul received a ban yet btw?

He f*ckin better, that was bloody assault ffs if he doesnt then the FA are corrupt as Fifa  :rant:

What did Kaboul do?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:19:24 pm
Has Ivanovic and/or Kaboul received a ban yet btw?

He f*ckin better, that was bloody assault ffs if he doesnt then the FA are corrupt as Fifa  :rant:

What did Kaboul do?
Kicked/tried to kick a Norwich player after a bit of a tussle. Not as clear as Ivanovic, but there's definite intent to hurt the Norwich player and I'm probably biased here, but I think it was worse than what Cabaye got done for.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: geordie_b on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:26:44 pm
Has Balotelli been charged yet?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:27:46 pm
Has Balotelli been charged yet?

Yup.

Altogether its a 9 match ban.  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:31:10 pm
Has Balotelli been charged yet?

Yup.

Altogether its a 9 match ban.  :lol:
f***ing hell :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:32:41 pm
I have to wonder if Gerrard or Rooney did what Balotelli did would they even get a 3 game ban :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:35:13 pm
"Because from Mason's angle it's not a clear and obvious error, we cannot change it".
What a fuckload of bollocks.
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Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:39:51 pm
"Because from Mason's angle it's not a clear and obvious error, we cannot change it".
What a fuckload of bollocks.

 :lol: :lol:

FA - Consistently terrible.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:47:15 pm
If anyone deserves a ban it's Ashley Young.  Diving little scumbag.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:48:44 pm
"Because from Mason's angle it's not a clear and obvious error, we cannot change it".
What a fuckload of bollocks.

 :lol: :lol:

FA - Consistently terrible.

What an absolute f***ing joke. :lol: :lol:
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: S.S.R. on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 04:54:16 pm
Proof that video replays would do nothing.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 05:11:31 pm
Ivanovic charged by the FA.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 05:14:29 pm
Ivanovic charged by the FA.

Good.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordiesned on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 05:22:45 pm
NO retrospective action against Balotelli as it was not an off the ball incident and referee saw it! What the f***?! How the hell was Cabaye charged and banned then!

The FA are worse than RTG for talking bollocks!

They claim that they can't "re-referee" incidents retrospectively. Only if it involves one of their favourite teams it seems!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 05:26:00 pm
The whole FA is a complete joke from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 05:29:58 pm
Ivanovic charged by the FA.

Good.
Thank f*** for that. Would have been an utter disgrace if he wasn't.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 05:44:19 pm
Fa are right f*ckin corrupt t***s but atleast they banned Ivanovic  :lol:

Arsenal need to play two wingers against them next week, Bosignwa is f*ckin s***.
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Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 06:01:53 pm
NO retrospective action against Balotelli as it was not an off the ball incident and referee saw it! What the f***?! How the hell was Cabaye charged and banned then!

The FA are worse than RTG for talking bollocks!

They claim that they can't "re-referee" incidents retrospectively. Only if it involves one of their favourite teams it seems!
because he plays for Man City, sorry to repeat this oft repeated line but theres no disguising it the FA are picking favourites here, how Balotelli could not be charged but Derry's appeal rejected is among the most ludicrous decision I've ever seen from an organisation who specialise in ludicrous decisions. The entire governing body of football is corrupt and beyond saving FIFA, UEFA every single FA need to be demolished and start again from scratch.
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Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 08:15:28 pm
Absolutely astonished by the Derry decision. Gobsmacked.

I'm f***ing sick of it. I want to know who the mugs are making these retrospective decisions and how those incidents come to their attention. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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Post by: Colo's Short and Curlies on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 08:54:58 pm
Has anyone pointed out the common factor between de jong and balotelli? Oh yes, Mr atkinson!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 10 April 2012, 11:48:55 pm
Fa are right f*ckin corrupt t***s but atleast they banned Ivanovic  :lol:

Arsenal need to play two wingers against them next week, Bosignwa is f*ckin s***.

Chelsea are clearly the least favourite of the big boys so just took the brunt for the others, in the hope everyone would ignore the ratio of 50,000 s*** decisions by the FA to the one good one. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Thursday 12 April 2012, 09:28:25 am
Wow how many bad decisions can one officiate team make in one game? Dowd & Co in Wigan v Man U shitting all over the place.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 12 April 2012, 09:31:33 am
The last week has been a pisstake like
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 12 April 2012, 09:33:59 am
The fact is the standard of officiating is getting worse not better since it became professional.

Something is terminally wrong with it in the UK imo.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Thursday 12 April 2012, 09:42:28 am
You've done an investigation on this? Please share it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 12 April 2012, 09:53:15 am
You've done an investigation on this? Please share it.

Nope, but the general feeling I get is that it hasn't improved anything but the bank balances of those who are Full Time referees.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Thursday 12 April 2012, 07:41:51 pm
Absolutely disgraceful that neither Ivanovic or Doni have been given extended bans for frivolous appeals following two stonewall red card offences.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Friday 13 April 2012, 12:53:16 am
They appealed Doni's red? Dictionary definition of a frivolous appeal tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Friday 13 April 2012, 01:13:30 am
Can't believe the Chelsea one hasn't resulted in an extra game. He f***ing punched someone, how was that ever going to be overturned? What a joke.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Friday 13 April 2012, 04:01:56 am
Wayne Rooney got away with elbowing someone in the head last season so Chelsea probably felt it was worth a try
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Post by: Neil on Friday 13 April 2012, 10:05:02 am
Wayne Rooney got away with elbowing someone in the head last season so Chelsea probably felt it was worth a try

There's favouritism but Raaaaayne Wooooooney is on a different level.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Phil K on Friday 13 April 2012, 10:39:47 am
I'd like to inaugurate Mike Dean as the first winner of the Dodgy c*** Ref of the Week award.  The yellow to David Luiz shows one (or more) of three things:

1) He is biased in favor of Chelsea
2) He doesn't know the last man rule
3) He doesn't have the balls to make the right call

Any of the three should really be grounds for him to have to find a new line of work. 

Shocking for sure, but only insofar as this type of s*** happens all the time in English footy, generally in favor of the clubs that spend the £££.
All true. But nothing new.
We've found this to be the case for years.
A Barnsley referee whose name escapes me always did us when officiating. Barnes ? was that his name ?
Pat Partridge was a Sunderland fan but refereed a few Newcastle v Sunderland (reasonably fairly if Im honest)
But refs are people. The worst example (to me) was the infamous ref of the Arsenal v Newcastle quarter final League Cup which Ginola's brilliance came to a crashing end. Lou "Arsehole" Macari had blasted this ref for "Allowing Ginola to con him and ruin a young lads career" after a young kid kicked lumps out of Ginola and was deservedly sent off when we beat Bristol City 5-1 away. Macari was their big-mouthed manager, who belittled Newcastle before the game and compared them unfavourably with Man U, and lost it when proved wrong. Ashley though took it to heart and was clearly determined to "get" Ginola one way or another. The rest as they say is history. Worst refereeing performance I ever saw. Worse than Trelford Mills. But he was influenced by Macari's criticism and determined to prove him wrong, and went WAY over the top in doing so.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Friday 13 April 2012, 10:55:43 am
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The FA
Derry appeal dismissed


Tuesday, 10 April, 2012

QPR midfielder to serve one match suspension.

Queens Park Rangers midfielder Shaun Derry will serve a one match suspension with immediate effect after his claim of wrongful dismissal was rejected by a Regulatory Commission today [Tuesday 10 April].

Derry was dismissed for denying a goalscoring opportunity in the Premier League match against Manchester United on Sunday 8 April 2012.

What a joke.

That's actually not even funny. Just wish someone with clout and influence and a lot of spare time would bang on about this and stir up media pressure until the FA had to release a statement explaining why the red card was not over-turned. The statement would read: 'we were just protecting our own'.

The lack of trust or respect in the governors of the game is at an abysmal nadir. They have no standing to criticise Fifa for being corrupt tbh. Hope England continually get cheated out of all major competitions in the most flagrant and Suarez-esque circumstances until change is brought about within the FA.
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Post by: Dave on Friday 13 April 2012, 10:56:29 am
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QPR's Shaun Derry has described the Football Association's decision to uphold his red card against Manchester United at Old Trafford as "ridiculous".

Derry was sent off for a foul on Ashley Young during Sunday's 2-0 defeat.

Replays showed minimal contact with Young, who was in an offside position when the ball was played.

"There was no explanation as to why it was not overturned, or any indication of why I got sent off. The whole scenario is quite bizarre," he said.

"I don't know what they do at the FA, but it's not working."

The 34-year-old captain served a one-match ban which ruled him out of QPR's 3-0 victory over Swansea on Wednesday.

Rangers boss Mark Hughes said his side were "losing faith in referees" following the dismissal of Derry by referee Lee Mason.

Derry, who joined QPR from Crystal Palace in 2010, added: "I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it would be overturned and I would be available for Swansea. Everyone thought the FA would put it to bed that way.

"To miss out on the next game is ridiculous really.

"The e-mail we got back from the FA was one line telling me my appeal had not been successful. That's as far as it went.

"It was the single highlight of my career to lead a Premier League side out at Old Trafford, so I was bitterly disappointed to say the least. It is a tough pill to swallow."
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 13 April 2012, 11:05:38 am
Quote
The FA
Derry appeal dismissed


Tuesday, 10 April, 2012

QPR midfielder to serve one match suspension.

Queens Park Rangers midfielder Shaun Derry will serve a one match suspension with immediate effect after his claim of wrongful dismissal was rejected by a Regulatory Commission today [Tuesday 10 April].

Derry was dismissed for denying a goalscoring opportunity in the Premier League match against Manchester United on Sunday 8 April 2012.

What a joke.

That's actually not even funny. Just wish someone with clout and influence and a lot of spare time would bang on about this and stir up media pressure until the FA had to release a statement explaining why the red card was not over-turned. The statement would read: 'we were just protecting our own'.

The lack of trust or respect in the governors of the game is at an abysmal nadir. They have no standing to criticise Fifa for being corrupt tbh. Hope England continually get cheated out of all major competitions in the most flagrant and Suarez-esque circumstances until change is brought about within the FA.

Change has been needed in the FA for decades, tbf to the Tories they've told the FA they have to reform by 2013 latest.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Friday 13 April 2012, 02:00:38 pm
Quote
QPR's Shaun Derry has described the Football Association's decision to uphold his red card against Manchester United at Old Trafford as "ridiculous".

Derry was sent off for a foul on Ashley Young during Sunday's 2-0 defeat.

Replays showed minimal contact with Young, who was in an offside position when the ball was played.

"There was no explanation as to why it was not overturned, or any indication of why I got sent off. The whole scenario is quite bizarre," he said.

"I don't know what they do at the FA, but it's not working."

The 34-year-old captain served a one-match ban which ruled him out of QPR's 3-0 victory over Swansea on Wednesday.

Rangers boss Mark Hughes said his side were "losing faith in referees" following the dismissal of Derry by referee Lee Mason.

Derry, who joined QPR from Crystal Palace in 2010, added: "I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it would be overturned and I would be available for Swansea. Everyone thought the FA would put it to bed that way.

"To miss out on the next game is ridiculous really.

"The e-mail we got back from the FA was one line telling me my appeal had not been successful. That's as far as it went.

"It was the single highlight of my career to lead a Premier League side out at Old Trafford, so I was bitterly disappointed to say the least. It is a tough pill to swallow."

Now watch him get another ban for criticising the FA.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Friday 13 April 2012, 05:09:45 pm
Is Di Matteo having a f***ing giraffe?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 13 April 2012, 06:51:36 pm
Di Matteo has always been a b****** but the latest from him is beyond even fergie levels of bs on refs etc
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:08:48 pm
Save on buying one player and find out how much Man U and Chelsea are spending a year on ref bungs iyam.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fenham Mag on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:09:55 pm
Well that confirms it, all refs are flat out window lickers.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toon25 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:13:05 pm
That Atkinson is an absolute f***ing joke, like. Not the first time he's f***ed up either. Stupid c***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:25:07 pm
Late to the party, but that's the worst decision I've ever seen. And I wish I was exaggerating.

Didn't even f***ing touch the line :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:25:46 pm
:facepalm: at Martin Atkinson.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:29:48 pm
Martin Atkinson should definitely get suspended. This isn't the first time he's made a horrendous decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:32:41 pm
Martin Atkinson should definitely get suspended. This isn't the first time he's made a horrendous decision.

Aye, one of dozens, nah hundreds, he is s***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: 54 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:40:46 pm
The thing is he couldn't even see if it crossed the line neither did the assistant, and if there is any doubt it should go to the team defending not the team attacking, disgraceful.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:48:50 pm
Terrible Terrible decision. This has been the worst year for refereeing in my memory.

Incidentally did anything happen with Kabouls blatant kick out on Grant Holt last weekend? Was shown on tv but not even mentioned. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:54:43 pm
Looks like there is another one to review that will get ignored, with Mikel kicking out now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 April 2012, 07:57:37 pm
Looks like there is another one to review that will get ignored, with Mikel kicking out now.

Don't understand. Ever-reliable Clive pointed out that it was something that wasn't going to damage Parker, didn't catch anymore as I was attempting to tune him out as much as possible. Was he defending it being a yellow? Surely if it was seen by the referee to deserve a card, it has to be a red considering it was a needless kick out?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: gazza ladra on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:01:08 pm
Looks like there is another one to review that will get ignored, with Mikel kicking out now.

Don't understand. Ever-reliable Clive pointed out that it was something that wasn't going to damage Parker, didn't catch anymore as I was attempting to tune him out as much as possible. Was he defending it being a yellow? Surely if it was seen by the referee to deserve a card, it has to be a red considering it was a needless kick out?
So he got a yellow for the kick?  And there's no chance of a review? Sorry, I too had completely zoned out by that point.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:02:06 pm
The thing is he couldn't even see if it crossed the line neither did the assistant, and if there is any doubt it should go to the team defending not the team attacking, disgraceful.

There should be no doubt. Even with all those players, it's clear as day not over the line, not even on the line.

If a referee can't tell that, even with bodies there, he shouldn't be refereeing.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:04:56 pm
He should be sacked.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:07:24 pm
Looks like there is another one to review that will get ignored, with Mikel kicking out now.

Don't understand. Ever-reliable Clive pointed out that it was something that wasn't going to damage Parker, didn't catch anymore as I was attempting to tune him out as much as possible. Was he defending it being a yellow? Surely if it was seen by the referee to deserve a card, it has to be a red considering it was a needless kick out?
So he got a yellow for the kick?  And there's no chance of a review? Sorry, I too had completely zoned out by that point.


Well I can't understand what else the yellow would've been for. Was only half paying attention though. Did he retaliate to Parker's following reaction to the kick? If so it could be that. But I don't recall seeing anything.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:08:39 pm
Found this on Twitter:

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Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:09:21 pm
Another woeful week for referee's
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Phil K on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:09:42 pm
As it's a London club, Spurs have been the victims, maybe the rags will be demanding something is done.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:09:48 pm
Another woeful week for referee's

Almost every week now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:10:00 pm
Found this on Twitter:

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From the FA's stand point.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:10:58 pm
Kaboul on Holt was worse. They should both get life time bans IMO. Unless they take the community service in playing for us for free for the next three years.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:15:10 pm
As it's a London club, Spurs have been the victims, maybe the rags will be demanding something is done.

Well it benefited another London club, so they cancel each other out. Expect a 50/50 split of Chelsea praise and Spurs daylight robbery where both clubs were a credit to themselves and the game for their professionalism during unthinkable circumstances.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:43:19 pm
I actually think the Young dive is a worse decision than Chelseas goal. It's such blatant cheating, and especially the week after his other dive, how can the ref buy that?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: morpeth mag on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:46:45 pm
I actually think the Young dive is a worse decision than Chelseas goal. It's such blatant cheating, and especially the week after his other dive, how can the ref buy that?
FA should charge Young (3 game ban) and give MUFC a five point suspended penalty for failing to control their players. It would end diving overnight.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:48:43 pm
I actually think the Young dive is a worse decision than Chelseas goal. It's such blatant cheating, and especially the week after his other dive, how can the ref buy that?
FA should charge Young (3 game ban) and give MUFC a five point suspended penalty for failing to control their players. It would end diving overnight.

:thup: Agree it's a worse decison, just everything about it was an absolute shambles.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:49:11 pm
I actually think the Young dive is a worse decision than Chelseas goal. It's such blatant cheating, and especially the week after his other dive, how can the ref buy that?
FA should charge Young (3 game ban) and give MUFC a five point suspended penalty for failing to control their players. It would end diving overnight.
Seriously, why nothing is done about diving really does my head in. At least with players kicking out and things like Ivanovic punch there's an attempt to control it, the FA seems to be content with letting these cheaters go on with it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 April 2012, 08:54:04 pm
Replied without paying attention. Only just discovered he dived again today. :lol: What a f***ing c***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ikri on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:05:26 pm
The number of abysmal decisions that have gone Chelsea's way in the last 3 games is unreal.  I still don't get why Cech wasn't sent off today, just because the ref played on and Spurs scored I don't see why the ref didn't either book him or send him off after the goal went in.  He still committed the offence.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:07:33 pm
The number of abysmal decisions that have gone Chelsea's way in the last 3 games is unreal.  I still don't get why Cech wasn't sent off today, just because the ref played on and Spurs scored I don't see why the ref didn't either book him or send him off after the goal went in.  He still committed the offence.

I think Southgate (?)'s explanation fits.  It wasn't violent conduct, and technically he didn't preven a goalscoring opportunity because Bale was there to tap in.

If there had been a player coming in to tackle Bale I think he'd have gone.

Still questionable though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:15:25 pm
In this instance the referee was right (although it doesn't quite feel right).

Czech was in danger of being sent off for DOGSO - Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity. A soon as the ball rolled to Bale and he scored, the goal scoring opportunity was not denied because they scored. So no Red card can be given for DOGSO.

Next question...was the Czech challenge worth a Yellow card.  The referee will ask himself was the challenge Careless, Reckless or Violent.  Careless means its a foul, reckless means a yellow and violent is red.  The challenge was cqareless but not reckless or violent so hence no card.

Strange situation to be so close to a Red card and yet no cards applied.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:17:14 pm
Strange that it would clearly have benefited Tottenham to not have a player in that position to tap it in. That was a good call tbf, but when you've made such a disgraceful call minutes earlier, that doesn't really matter too much.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:20:42 pm
In this instance the referee was right (although it doesn't quite feel right).

Czech was in danger of being sent off for DOGSO - Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity. A soon as the ball rolled to Bale and he scored, the goal scoring opportunity was not denied because they scored. So no Red card can be given for DOGSO.

Next question...was the Czech challenge worth a Yellow card.  The referee will ask himself was the challenge Careless, Reckless or Violent.  Careless means its a foul, reckless means a yellow and violent is red.  The challenge was cqareless but not reckless or violent so hence no card.

Strange situation to be so close to a Red card and yet no cards applied.

He did deny a DOGSO, he stopped Adebayor from scoring, the ball rolling to Bale was advantage being played.

The issue is whether Cech should get a yellow or red card for the intial foul, for me as a goal was scored from the advantage, it should be Yellow.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:23:18 pm
Agree....you wonder if Spurs wish that they could have said no thanks, I'll take the Red card/penalty and take my chance. But then again, you would look really stupid if your did and then had the new keeper save the Penalty.

As the the goal line goal.....the AR was completely blocked off by the defender on the post (and the mass of humanity on the goal line) so it was down to the referee. He "thought" he had seen enough to give the goal....he though wrong. Guaranteed that he was wishing he could have called the video replay judge for a second opinion.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Aphrodite on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:27:09 pm
In this instance the referee was right (although it doesn't quite feel right).

Czech was in danger of being sent off for DOGSO - Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity. A soon as the ball rolled to Bale and he scored, the goal scoring opportunity was not denied because they scored. So no Red card can be given for DOGSO.

Next question...was the Czech challenge worth a Yellow card.  The referee will ask himself was the challenge Careless, Reckless or Violent.  Careless means its a foul, reckless means a yellow and violent is red.  The challenge was cqareless but not reckless or violent so hence no card.

Strange situation to be so close to a Red card and yet no cards applied.

He did deny a DOGSO, he stopped Adebayor from scoring, the ball rolling to Bale was advantage being played.

The issue is whether Cech should get a yellow or red card for the intial foul, for me as a goal was scored from the advantage, it should be Yellow.

The law is denying a team the opportunity, not the player though.

Would have been interesting if Bale had accidentally missed it!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:27:50 pm
In this instance the referee was right (although it doesn't quite feel right).

Czech was in danger of being sent off for DOGSO - Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity. A soon as the ball rolled to Bale and he scored, the goal scoring opportunity was not denied because they scored. So no Red card can be given for DOGSO.

Next question...was the Czech challenge worth a Yellow card.  The referee will ask himself was the challenge Careless, Reckless or Violent.  Careless means its a foul, reckless means a yellow and violent is red.  The challenge was cqareless but not reckless or violent so hence no card.

Strange situation to be so close to a Red card and yet no cards applied.

He did deny a DOGSO, he stopped Adebayor from scoring, the ball rolling to Bale was advantage being played.

The issue is whether Cech should get a yellow or red card for the intial foul, for me as a goal was scored from the advantage, it should be Yellow.

Goal scored....so no denial of the opportunity. Those are the laws of the game.

Now, I do agree with you on giving Czech a yellow, but the Laws don't allow for it unless you are saying that Czechs challenge was reckless.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ishmael on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:29:44 pm
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4490/58058533474607991386613.jpg)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:30:16 pm

The law is denying a team the opportunity, not the player though.

Would have been interesting if Bale had accidentally missed it!

What if Bale stops to claim for the Penalty....or if he decides to NOT score to take the Penalty/Red card??  Does that still mean that the opportunity was denied?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:31:39 pm
Agree....you wonder if Spurs wish that they could have said no thanks, I'll take the Red card/penalty and take my chance. But then again, you would look really stupid if your did and then had the new keeper save the Penalty.

As the the goal line goal.....the AR was completely blocked off by the defender on the post (and the mass of humanity on the goal line) so it was down to the referee. He "thought" he had seen enough to give the goal....he though wrong. Guaranteed that he was wishing he could have called the video replay judge for a second opinion.

The strange thing is, if Bale had missed i'm 100% certain the ref would have given the penalty and then sent Cezh off as no advantage had been gained, oh its such a talking point GK and DOGSO's, so many different point of views ;)

The over the line one is simple for me, use the technology, as we dont the ref should explain how from 6 or so yards away he gave a goal when it clearly didn't cross the line. I'm afraid it boils down to one thing, a poor decision (by a poor ref), so back to technology for me, the decision would have been cleared up within seconds, it can only help the ref's. Sooner its brought in the better.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:32:28 pm

Can I request my username to be changed to DOGSO?

Please mods? ta
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Aphrodite on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:34:11 pm

The law is denying a team the opportunity, not the player though.

Would have been interesting if Bale had accidentally missed it!

What if Bale stops to claim for the Penalty....or if he decides to NOT score to take the Penalty/Red card??  Does that still mean that the opportunity was denied?


I'd argue that was him not using the advantage and wouldn't pull it back (remember he has five/six seconds according to the law), tough call though!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:34:49 pm

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4490/58058533474607991386613.jpg)

And that's pretty much Martin Atkinson's view from his position.  Looks much more like a goal from there than the replays showed.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:35:13 pm
In this instance the referee was right (although it doesn't quite feel right).

Czech was in danger of being sent off for DOGSO - Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity. A soon as the ball rolled to Bale and he scored, the goal scoring opportunity was not denied because they scored. So no Red card can be given for DOGSO.

Next question...was the Czech challenge worth a Yellow card.  The referee will ask himself was the challenge Careless, Reckless or Violent.  Careless means its a foul, reckless means a yellow and violent is red.  The challenge was cqareless but not reckless or violent so hence no card.

Strange situation to be so close to a Red card and yet no cards applied.

He did deny a DOGSO, he stopped Adebayor from scoring, the ball rolling to Bale was advantage being played.

The issue is whether Cech should get a yellow or red card for the intial foul, for me as a goal was scored from the advantage, it should be Yellow.

The law is denying a team the opportunity, not the player though.

Would have been interesting if Bale had accidentally missed it!

One and the same, he brought the player who had the opportunity down, now is Bale classed as the same ?, not for me, this is where the rules are muddled, trust me as someone who has gone through it.

On whether Bale missed, my post a couple up for my view ;)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:35:45 pm

The law is denying a team the opportunity, not the player though.

Would have been interesting if Bale had accidentally missed it!

What if Bale stops to claim for the Penalty....or if he decides to NOT score to take the Penalty/Red card??  Does that still mean that the opportunity was denied?


I'd argue that was him not using the advantage and wouldn't pull it back (remember he has five/six seconds according to the law), tough call though!

For sure....glad it wasn't me
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:36:49 pm

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4490/58058533474607991386613.jpg)

And that's pretty much Martin Atkinson's view from his position.  Looks much more like a goal from there than the replays showed.

The whole of that ball is not over line for me, you need to be completely in line to tell 100%, and as the ref wasn't he cant and shouldn't have given it.

On the TV earlier they should a computer graphic, rotate the camera around and it wasn't over the line by that, fwiw.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fugazi on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:37:31 pm
(https://p.twimg.com/AqjDlIJCAAA8UI8.jpg)

Clearer picture
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:39:12 pm
How did they not think it was a smart idea to have a camera in-line with the goal? Don't they normally? ???
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:39:53 pm
I agree that the ball is not completely over the line, but it's a heck of a lot closer than the initial comments that the ball hadn't even touched the line at all
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:40:24 pm
How did they not think it was a smart idea to have a camera in-line with the goal? Don't they normally? ???

On the other side I think. And it's covered by all those Spurs bodies.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: DubblyDubblyDubbly on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:40:41 pm
Fu** the Fu**ing Fu**ers, Boll** to the C**ts.
Incompetent .. or corrupt....I prefer the former.
Until the stakeholders ( aka supporters) get a say, then nowt will change. As Tele has the say, we're stuck with what we have.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:40:42 pm
(https://p.twimg.com/AqjDlIJCAAA8UI8.jpg)

Clearer picture

Defintely a lot closer than it looked at the times but 100% of the ball is not over the line for me, a camera in the goal would have sorted it out within seconds.

The fact we are still debating these things after what happened in the world cup put FIFA to shame, joke that technology is still not being used.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:40:51 pm
I agree that the ball is not completely over the line, but it's a heck of a lot closer than the initial comments that the ball hadn't even touched the line at all

:thup: That clearer picture of Fugazi's makes a massive point for Atkinson tbf. Is that the shadow underneath or his leg?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:41:27 pm
I agree that the ball is not completely over the line, but it's a heck of a lot closer than the initial comments that the ball hadn't even touched the line at all

Very much so, much much closer than i thought.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:41:49 pm
I agree that the ball is not completely over the line, but it's a heck of a lot closer than the initial comments that the ball hadn't even touched the line at all

In real time, it didn't look it.

It's very easy to sit and stare at a still image for 2 minutes but Martin Atkinson isn't referee.2 - He would have seen it in an instant and in that speed, it's clear it doesn't cross the line.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Aphrodite on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:43:25 pm
I agree that the ball is not completely over the line, but it's a heck of a lot closer than the initial comments that the ball hadn't even touched the line at all

In real time, it didn't look it.

It's very easy to sit and stare at a still image for 2 minutes but Martin Atkinson isn't referee.2 - He would have seen it in an instant and in that speed, it's clear it doesn't cross the line.

:lol: What?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:47:18 pm
I agree that the ball is not completely over the line, but it's a heck of a lot closer than the initial comments that the ball hadn't even touched the line at all

In real time, it didn't look it.

It's very easy to sit and stare at a still image for 2 minutes but Martin Atkinson isn't referee.2 - He would have seen it in an instant and in that speed, it's clear it doesn't cross the line.

:lol: What?

People seeing a still image and saying "Oh, it's alot closer than I thought" - that's with the benefit of replays.

Initial instincts were that it had nowhere near crossed the line, so how Atkinson could think it had is beyond me.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:50:58 pm
I agree that the ball is not completely over the line, but it's a heck of a lot closer than the initial comments that the ball hadn't even touched the line at all

In real time, it didn't look it.

It's very easy to sit and stare at a still image for 2 minutes but Martin Atkinson isn't referee.2 - He would have seen it in an instant and in that speed, it's clear it doesn't cross the line.

:lol: What?

People seeing a still image and saying "Oh, it's alot closer than I thought" - that's with the benefit of replays.

Initial instincts were that it had nowhere near crossed the line, so how Atkinson could think it had is beyond me.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:52:44 pm
The still image looks to be 90-95% over but not 100%. But you're saying that it "clearly" didn't cross the line which to me would be in the 10-20% range.

In the picture it looks like 10% more of the ball would make this a goal, but 10% further on a "clearly not" position isn't a goal.

It was a lot closer than it looked
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 09:54:36 pm
The still image looks to be 90-95% over but not 100%. But you're saying that it "clearly" didn't cross the line which to me would be in the 10-20% range.

In the picture it looks like 10% more of the ball would make this a goal, but 10% further on a "clearly not" position isn't a goal.

It was a lot closer than it looked

which is exactly my point :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toonpete1892 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:05:10 pm
In this instance the referee was right (although it doesn't quite feel right).

Czech was in danger of being sent off for DOGSO - Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity. A soon as the ball rolled to Bale and he scored, the goal scoring opportunity was not denied because they scored. So no Red card can be given for DOGSO.

Next question...was the Czech challenge worth a Yellow card.  The referee will ask himself was the challenge Careless, Reckless or Violent.  Careless means its a foul, reckless means a yellow and violent is red.  The challenge was careless but not reckless or violent so hence no card.

Strange situation to be so close to a Red card and yet no cards applied.

He did deny a DOGSO, he stopped Adebayor from scoring, the ball rolling to Bale was advantage being played.

The issue is whether Cech should get a yellow or red card for the intial foul, for me as a goal was scored from the advantage, it should be Yellow.

The law is denying a team the opportunity, not the player though.

Would have been interesting if Bale had accidentally missed it!

It brings in the argument as to whether a straight red should be given straight away when a penalty is. There have been rumours for a while about a possible change so that when a penalty is given and it is a sending off offence, the outcome of the penalty decides whether a yellow or red card (downgraded to a yellow if it is scored) is given. If this was the case, it would have been a yellow for Cech and 2-1.

Apart from being wrote down somewhere, personally I don't see how Cech's challenge today wasn't given at least a yellow card. If that challenge was made outside the area and advantage was given, it would have been at least a yellow when the ball went out of play. How come outfield players get carded but the keepers can't? Say Adebayor stayed down injured, would it have changed the decision?

On a different note, Ashley Young. Now I'm not his biggest fan but I could say the same about numerous other players and my point would still be valid. In the case of a bad challenge and the player making the most of it, much like Young's ability to win a penalty both last week and today, why can't the referee take whatever action is needed for the bad challenge then book the receiving player for diving, or simulation as they want us to use? In my eyes, this is like the referee saying 'Yes it is a foul but are trying to cheat me. Have the freekick but don't be a dick'. There is clever play to win freekicks, Jonas is brilliant for this, but obvious conning of the referee should be penalised, even if/when a foul has been made. Young, amongst others, is a player who does this time after time and it really gets on my tits.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:10:57 pm
In that last picture posted it certainly seems completely over to me. If you were to be in line with the post don't think any of the ball would overlap with the line.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: BoSelecta on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:24:11 pm
In that last picture posted it certainly seems completely over to me. If you were to be in line with the post don't think any of the ball would overlap with the line.
Totally agree. During the game the replays seemed to show the ball being nowhere near the line, however looking at the clear picture above I think its 100% over. From being an awful decision from the referee, to, in reality, a very good decision in my opinion.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:29:54 pm
Still adamant it's not a goal.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:31:52 pm
Still adamant it's not a goal.

Same.  Even Atkinson has admitted to Redknapp he made a mistake.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mick on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:32:27 pm
The still image looks to be 90-95% over but not 100%. But you're saying that it "clearly" didn't cross the line which to me would be in the 10-20% range.

In the picture it looks like 10% more of the ball would make this a goal, but 10% further on a "clearly not" position isn't a goal.

It was a lot closer than it looked

which is exactly my point :lol:

That photo is a still and not necessary a shot of the ball at its furthest position into the goal.  Also, that wasn't the ref's view so he may have had a better view.  I’m not bothered if it was a goal or not as it has no effect on me but I’m giving the referee the benefit of the doubt.  He clearly had a better view than the t***s in the studio who were giving him s*** for what now looks to be probably the right decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:33:29 pm
The still image looks to be 90-95% over but not 100%. But you're saying that it "clearly" didn't cross the line which to me would be in the 10-20% range.

In the picture it looks like 10% more of the ball would make this a goal, but 10% further on a "clearly not" position isn't a goal.

It was a lot closer than it looked

which is exactly my point :lol:

That photo is a still and not necessary a shot of the ball at its furthest position into the goal.  Also, that wasn't the ref's view so he may have had a better view.  I’m not bothered if it was a goal or not as it has no effect on me but I’m giving the referee the benefit of the doubt.  He clearly had a better view than the t***s in the studio who were giving him s*** for what now looks to be probably the right decision.

The ref has admitted he got it wrong.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mick on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:35:15 pm


The ref has admitted he got it wrong.

Was that before or after seeing the ITV coverage?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: M4 on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:36:03 pm
The ref has admitted he got it wrong.

Then we can all agree that he's wrong about something.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mick on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:36:31 pm
The ref has admitted he got it wrong.

Then we can all agree that he's wrong about something.

:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 15 April 2012, 10:41:56 pm
 Redknapp: "I've spoken to him [Atkinson] and he said he feels worse than I do [about the mistake]. I said to him 'I don't think so'"

:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ToonImms on Sunday 15 April 2012, 11:05:14 pm
Just read last couple pages? Is there now proof that the ball crossed the line? Only seen ITV coverage...

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mick on Sunday 15 April 2012, 11:08:36 pm
Just read last couple pages? Is there now proof that the ball crossed the line? Only seen ITV coverage...



No, it just doesn't look as bad a decision as ITV were making out and the ball may have crossed the line.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 2 May 2012, 11:27:52 pm
Mark Halsey oh dear.  One of the worst refereeing performances I've seen.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Wednesday 2 May 2012, 11:34:40 pm
Mark Halsey was also the referee who missed the elbow on Shearer (despite the incident being right in front of him, much like tonight!) all those years ago. So, lightning can strike twice eh?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hughesy on Thursday 3 May 2012, 12:17:53 am
Don't know how he thought it was right to give Tiote the yellow after one challenge (from where I was it didn't even look like a foul, more a coming together), but didn't book Chelsea players for similar, if not worse, challenges.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Saturday 5 May 2012, 02:39:57 pm
(http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20100814/22/1385205319-soccer-barclays-premier-league-sunderland-v-birmingham-city-stadium-light.jpg)

Really? I can.. I can blow the whistle?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 5 May 2012, 02:43:38 pm
So professionalism was suppose to make officiating in the PL better....

:yao:

It's got far worse this season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheGuv on Saturday 5 May 2012, 02:48:12 pm
So professionalism was suppose to make officiating in the PL better....

:yao:

It's got far worse this season.

Because they've got their comfy little jobs and sponsored expensive watches and nice big cars. t***s
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: La Parka on Saturday 5 May 2012, 02:48:19 pm
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g414/alurny/Untitled-2.png)

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Saturday 5 May 2012, 02:48:44 pm
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n203/Chriswok/reactions/yaomingtheref.png)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 5 May 2012, 02:49:06 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 2 June 2012, 09:26:32 pm
Premier League refs' performances are going to be judged by some panel from next season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jack Flash on Saturday 2 June 2012, 09:28:24 pm
Good start but no doubt it'll be extremely flawed.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Saturday 2 June 2012, 09:28:54 pm
Premier League refs' performances are going to be judged by some panel from next season.

Good news I say.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 2 June 2012, 09:32:07 pm
Wonder if the panel will have any ex-players on it, like the F1 stewarts [sic] one does. Hope so.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Saturday 2 June 2012, 09:32:53 pm
*Stewart's :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Saturday 2 June 2012, 09:38:25 pm
Wonder if the panel will have any ex-players on it, like the F1 stewarts [sic] one does. Hope so.

(http://www.total-banker.com/Images/Jackie-Stewart.JPG)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thenige on Saturday 2 June 2012, 09:47:19 pm
Premier League refs' performances are going to be judged by some panel from next season.

Good news I say.

(http://static.tellymix.co.uk/files/2012/02/Britains-Got-Talent-2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 7 October 2012, 04:53:18 pm
Howard Webb should not be allowed near a football pitch. f***ing disgrace so far.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 7 October 2012, 05:40:11 pm
After all these years how the f*** is Howard Webb still allowed to ref a Man United game let alone a Premiership game. Most overrated ref ever, and probably a god awful cop.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Sunday 7 October 2012, 05:40:57 pm
:lol: I didn't even know he was a cop, but I knew he was a f***ing cop.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 7 October 2012, 05:41:43 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 7 October 2012, 05:42:03 pm
He is probably trained by Crawford and his NBA crew. Fucksakes.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 7 October 2012, 05:45:33 pm
:lol: I didn't even know he was a cop, but I knew he was a f***ing cop.
He's not a proper cop, he's CID I've been told, basically they guy who sits in the office.

Apparently he can't even be called out to scene's because he can't be called up to court for "Other job commitments".

Heard this from police officers.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 7 October 2012, 06:27:42 pm
And people think refereeing is getting better.....

:yao:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Sunday 7 October 2012, 06:30:16 pm
Seriously, your match fixing scandal is going to make Italy look like bullshit.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 7 October 2012, 06:33:35 pm
Seriously, your match fixing scandal is going to make Italy look like bullshit.

:yao:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Luc on Sunday 7 October 2012, 08:45:00 pm
And people think refereeing is getting better.....

:yao:

It's s*** everywhere. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 5 November 2012, 05:09:00 pm
Seems to me that refs have been told to clamp down on simulation a lot more; appears to be a lot more bookings for 'dives' this season. I agree with it in principle, but it doesn't appear to be helping and is only adding to the inconsistency throughout the league.

There needs to be some proper clarity over what simulation is. Think it was Reading i saw, this weekend, that got done for what appeared to be legitimate contact in the box. The guy went down and got booked.

I appreciate it's a hard one for refs. The FA could help out here by black-and-white-ing what's currently a huge grey area.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Monday 5 November 2012, 05:54:39 pm
The more yellow cards we see for diving, the less incentive will there be for divers. It's all good, I'm so f***ing sick of seeing it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Atticus on Sunday 25 November 2012, 05:18:13 pm
Another masterclass from Martin Atkinson today. He was horrendous.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Monday 26 November 2012, 05:45:52 pm
Aye, but we were worse tbh. It's gotta be bad when I hate the ref less than us. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Wednesday 2 January 2013, 11:34:48 pm
Martin Atkinson was a disgrace tonight.

One of the worst refereeing displays I think I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Wednesday 2 January 2013, 11:35:54 pm
Another masterclass from Martin Atkinson today. He was horrendous.
And another.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Atticus on Wednesday 2 January 2013, 11:39:46 pm
Another masterclass from Martin Atkinson today. He was horrendous.
And another.

He's jumped to the top of my shitlist in double-quick time. Impressive.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Wednesday 2 January 2013, 11:47:19 pm
Almost as biased as the Sky team.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Wednesday 2 January 2013, 11:50:14 pm
We didn't lose tonight because of the referee but, by christ, he was f***ing awful. It's too easy to point the finger at the referee after you've lost and I don't ike doing it but Atkinson was appalling tonight. Absolutely disgraceful at times.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:20:02 am
Atkinson is probably the worst referee going, imo. Including Webb. Every single time that he has been our ref, he has been absolutely atrocious, to the extent that I honestly think he should be reviewed in terms of his bias. He's an attention seeking arse hole.

Having said that, although he massively influenced the game, he wasn't the reason we lost tonight.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:21:05 am
We didn't lose tonight because of the referee but, by christ, he was f***ing awful. It's too easy to point the finger at the referee after you've lost and I don't ike doing it but Atkinson was appalling tonight. Absolutely disgraceful at times.

He did stop us extorting much pressure on Everton though, by breaking up the game with non free kicks.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:21:18 am
Atkinson needed a guide dog tonight.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: madras on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:22:41 am
Atkinson is probably the worst referee going, imo. Including Webb. Every single time that he has been our ref, he has been absolutely atrocious, to the extent that I honestly think he should be reviewed in terms of his bias. He's an attention seeking arse hole.

Having said that, although he massively influenced the game, he wasn't the reason we lost tonight.
not so sure about. that was a pen for the foul on shola, would've put us 2 up. biggest decision in the game and he got it wrong, good game apart from that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:23:45 am
Fellaini got a free kick every time he fell over meanwhile we're still waiting for a free kick from De Jong maiming Ben Arfa.

Toss up between him and Webb for worst ref in the division.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Atticus on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:24:41 am
Atkinson is probably the worst referee going, imo. Including Webb. Every single time that he has been our ref, he has been absolutely atrocious, to the extent that I honestly think he should be reviewed in terms of his bias. He's an attention seeking arse hole.

Having said that, although he massively influenced the game, he wasn't the reason we lost tonight.
not so sure about. that was a pen for the foul on shola, would've put us 2 up. biggest decision in the game and he got it wrong, good game apart from that.

:harry:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: basjen on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:25:51 am
Fook mi he was s*** today.

Don't wanna blame the ref for the loss, but just one example: when Tiote tackle, he gives an advantage which they squander, THEN pull it back. I. Raged.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:26:54 am
Without fail, if there was a decision to ever conceivably go in any direction, it always went in Everton's. Our players had to be more or less throttled by the opposition to get anything. I saw Cisse stretch for a ball and one of their players stumbles into Cisse's leg and falls over and they win a free kick. The bloke is a f***ing bell end and should be sacked. Incompetent prick.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:27:07 am
Wasn't the reason we lost?

We could have easily had a penalty at 1-0, 2 minutes later he gives Everton a free kick that should never have been a free kick if the challenge on Shola wasn't a penalty, Everton scored from it. Every time we got forward he starting gives fouls against us, every time Everton lost possession he gave a foul against us, he failed to control the Everton players, Anichabe was in Tiote's face and being aggressive to him, Krul had to intervene, he only gave him a word about it when he wouldn't calm down, then he went and threw an elbow into Tiote later in the match.

He wasn't the sole reason we lost, however he was a major part of the our problem today. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:28:06 am
Wasn't the reason we lost?

We could have easily had a penalty at 1-0, 2 minutes later he gives Everton a free kick that should never have been a free kick if the challenge on Shola wasn't a penalty, Everton scored from it. Every time we got forward he starting gives fouls against us, every time Everton lost possession he gave a foul against us, he failed to control the Everton players, Anichabe was in Tiote's face and being aggressive to him, Krul had to intervene, he only gave him a word about it when he wouldn't calm down, then he went and threw an elbow into Tiote later in the match.

He wasn't the sole reason we lost, however he was a major part of the our problem today. 

My feeling as well, and I never usually complain about refs. He was beyond awful.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:29:31 am
I was impressed that he called that foul on Ranger after their guy pulled a hurricanrana.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:29:59 am
Shola could quite easily have given a penalty away in the second half too. Had a massive grab of an Everton shirt to the extent it stretched about 2 or 3 feet as he ran away from him. Blatant.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: madras on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:30:14 am
Wasn't the reason we lost?

We could have easily had a penalty at 1-0, 2 minutes later he gives Everton a free kick that should never have been a free kick if the challenge on Shola wasn't a penalty, Everton scored from it. Every time we got forward he starting gives fouls against us, every time Everton lost possession he gave a foul against us, he failed to control the Everton players, Anichabe was in Tiote's face and being aggressive to him, Krul had to intervene, he only gave him a word about it when he wouldn't calm down, then he went and threw an elbow into Tiote later in the match.

He wasn't the sole reason we lost, however he was a major part of the our problem today. 
much easier to give a 30yd free kick than a penalty. tiote was throwing players about but thats dead balls.

watched the game on the box, sober and he didn't get much else wrong.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:31:22 am
Wasn't the reason we lost?

We could have easily had a penalty at 1-0, 2 minutes later he gives Everton a free kick that should never have been a free kick if the challenge on Shola wasn't a penalty, Everton scored from it. Every time we got forward he starting gives fouls against us, every time Everton lost possession he gave a foul against us, he failed to control the Everton players, Anichabe was in Tiote's face and being aggressive to him, Krul had to intervene, he only gave him a word about it when he wouldn't calm down, then he went and threw an elbow into Tiote later in the match.

He wasn't the sole reason we lost, however he was a major part of the our problem today. 

My feeling as well, and I never usually complain about refs. He was beyond awful.

We can't complain about dodgy decisions against Everton tbf.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Atticus on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:33:16 am
Wasn't the reason we lost?

We could have easily had a penalty at 1-0, 2 minutes later he gives Everton a free kick that should never have been a free kick if the challenge on Shola wasn't a penalty, Everton scored from it. Every time we got forward he starting gives fouls against us, every time Everton lost possession he gave a foul against us, he failed to control the Everton players, Anichabe was in Tiote's face and being aggressive to him, Krul had to intervene, he only gave him a word about it when he wouldn't calm down, then he went and threw an elbow into Tiote later in the match.

He wasn't the sole reason we lost, however he was a major part of the our problem today. 

My feeling as well, and I never usually complain about refs. He was beyond awful.

We can't complain about dodgy decisions against Everton tbf.

Not this season, no. Which makes a nice change :shifty:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Neil on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:36:37 am
He definitely bottled the big decision of the night. Can't believe we didn't get a penalty when Tiote shoved Naismith to the ground in the box.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: madras on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:38:56 am
He definitely bottled the big decision of the night. Can't believe we didn't get a penalty when Tiote shoved Naismith to the ground in the box.
howard done a similar on cisse (didn't drag him over but just hoyed him out the way), amazing what the cameras pick up you'd never see in the heat of stadium.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:41:18 am
I was impressed that he called that foul on Ranger after their guy pulled a hurricanrana.
:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:45:58 am
I was impressed that he called that foul on Ranger after their guy pulled a hurricanrana.
:lol:

Now I know what it reminded me of.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TCD23 on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:47:14 am
Atkinson and Webb shouldn't be anywhere near football let alone the PL. Absolutely awful and unashamedly biased.

The only other ref as bad this season was the one who was in the game against the Mackems. Who was that again?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:50:53 am
Atkinson and Webb shouldn't be anywhere near football let alone the PL. Absolutely awful and unashamedly biased.

The only other ref as bad this season was the one who was in the game against the Mackems. Who was that again?
Atkinson :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:50:54 am
Atkinson and Webb shouldn't be anywhere near football let alone the PL. Absolutely awful and unashamedly biased.

The only other ref as bad this season was the one who was in the game against the Mackems. Who was that again?

That game against the Mackems was Atkinson. :lol:

Add Clattenberg to that list as well.  Mike Dean is the best in the league.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:51:14 am
Re: Webb. It's obvious that if you give the big teams big decisions, you continue to referee big teams. If you don't, then you don't. The game is quite simply corrupt as f***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:51:52 am
There's not one decent ref in the league.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:53:04 am
Mike Dean is still decent about 70% of the time, which is as good as it gets, imo.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Thursday 3 January 2013, 12:56:41 am
I was impressed that he called that foul on Ranger after their guy pulled a hurricanrana.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Thursday 3 January 2013, 07:19:02 am
In real life it was very balanced the amount of fouling from each side, In Atkinson world he blew for 21 fouls from us and 10 from them. I mentioned this the other week.

Did anyone see the career ending foul that chelsea player only got a yellow for in the QPR game !
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Thursday 3 January 2013, 06:52:40 pm
He definitely bottled the big decision of the night. Can't believe we didn't get a penalty when Tiote shoved Naismith to the ground in the box.
Nah, Naismith fouled him first and he and the commentators made a meal of the reaction. Atkinson was your star man with an assist for the equaliser and he dominated the game throughout, snuffing out any threat wee looked like posing. Wee just didn't have an answer to his power.

Meh, wee'd take 12 v 11 I suppose, wee just don't get the offer. Does anyone know what his grudge is?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Saturday 5 January 2013, 01:53:10 pm
Not that I care, but sending Shola off for that. I mean. Football is a game for poofs these days.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JS on Saturday 5 January 2013, 01:53:46 pm
Not that I care, but sending Shola off for that. I mean. Football is a game for poofs these days.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Saturday 5 January 2013, 01:54:18 pm
Was a yellow though. Didn't see his first yellow, but that is just great refereeing in my opinion. Clearly a Newcastle fan. Just send Williamson off now too please. It has come to the point where I'm hoping suspensions will force Pardew to get it right.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Saturday 5 January 2013, 01:55:58 pm
A foul? Sure. A yellow? Have a f***ing word. Should've booked the little prick for diving. Rolling around like a right little queer.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Saturday 5 January 2013, 01:57:17 pm
That's football though man. Shola came in hard there and for me he deserved a yellow just for sheer laziness. Why put his leg in? Not going to have a debate about it, just thank god he was sent off you ungrateful prick :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Saturday 5 January 2013, 01:58:54 pm
Fair enough :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Saturday 5 January 2013, 02:48:34 pm
The ref didn`t even see the Brighton player trip over the back of Shola`s ankle for the first yellow. He just guessed. The second yellow was ridiculous considering what other players get away with when already on a yellow. There we worse fouls all game that escaped yellows.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 5 January 2013, 03:23:41 pm
I think all the refs got together over Summer and agreed that they'd give Newcastle f*** all this season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Northerngimp on Saturday 5 January 2013, 03:25:04 pm
Hunchie should never have sent Shola off but thats the kind of reffing you get in away cup games to lower league teams
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 5 January 2013, 03:35:47 pm
The first booking, where he wasn't even looking. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 5 January 2013, 03:39:35 pm
Horrific refereeing today, they got away with some dirty old defending too.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 5 January 2013, 03:41:29 pm
Honorific refereeing today, they got away with some dirty old defending too.

Dunno about that mate, I thought he was s****.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 5 January 2013, 03:42:45 pm
Honorific refereeing today, they got away with some dirty old defending too.

Dunno about that mate, I thought he was s****.

:lol: fkn spell correct thing
HORRIFIC
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Saturday 5 January 2013, 04:23:36 pm
Surely this should be in Godawful FA Cup Officiating. Sponsored by I don't f***ing care any more. :lol: Last night I deleted the highlights programme tonight and the draw tomorrow because I totally knew we'd play the reserves and they would play their first team AND give a s***. FFS. Can somebody just gimme a slice of cheese? FFFFS, man.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 5 January 2013, 04:46:21 pm
It was a PL ref. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Saturday 5 January 2013, 05:31:38 pm
But not in the PL. As if he should ever be. Another typical f***ing weekend :lol: FFS. I'll settle for a slice of pizza.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pata on Saturday 5 January 2013, 06:47:24 pm
In real life it was very balanced the amount of fouling from each side, In Atkinson world he blew for 21 fouls from us and 10 from them. I mentioned this the other week.

Did anyone see the career ending foul that chelsea player only got a yellow for in the QPR game !

Who was the ref in the Chelsea-QPR? Not arsed to google. Marins tackle was one of the worst I've seen and it's ridiculous that I knew right away it's only gonna be yellow as it was Chelsea and only 3 minutes played. Compare that to the reds we have got this season.  :rant:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: SiLvOR on Saturday 5 January 2013, 06:50:10 pm
Missed so much shirt pulling and god knows what else today. Lee Probert looks like a c*** and all, so don't even feel bad for slagging him off.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:01:08 pm
How bad hasn't this ref been?

Fair enoughtit was a penalty. But Zoggy should be off and Jonas gets a yellow for being p*ssed after being kicked from behind?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Neil on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:05:35 pm
Don't think he's been that bad.

Becoming a tough game to officiate currently.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:18:17 pm
I hope you've changed your mind now.

Three tackles with the studs, all three should've been red cards...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:29:46 pm
How does Shola get the yellow there?

Tell me Neil. The Dean defender.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:31:31 pm
Mike Dean has always been a massive, massive c***. No change there, then.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Neil on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:37:35 pm
How does Shola get the yellow there?

Tell me Neil. The Dean defender.

Catchy.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:37:42 pm
f*** you ref.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 29 January 2013, 09:37:52 pm
How does Shola get the yellow there?

Tell me Neil. The Dean defender.

Catchy.

:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 4 February 2013, 10:10:17 am
Quote
Northumberland FA Referees Academy launched
The first meeting of the "new" academy took place at the County headquarters in January with 27 bright young referees attending to listen to the opening remarks of Michael Oliver FIFA and Premier League referee and also Northumberland FA referee who is to direct the academy. Focus will be given to the members of the academy to improve their skills and encourage them to progress through the levels of refereeing within the county. They will be appointed to games at Newcastle United Football Academy and twelve of the group will be taken by the County to the National Referees Association conference at St Georges Park in the summer.
 
RDO Clive Oliver said "This is a venture I have been looking to launch for some time and I was delighted to secure the help of Michael Oliver to lead the group. Although he is at the top of his profession he is a perfect role model as it is not that long since Michael was being trained at the same level as the referees in the group. Not only do I believe he is the best person in the county to lead the group, he is the best person in the country. The referees both male and female will gain so much knowledge from him"

Quote
Northumberland FA are delighted to announce that Michael Oliver has been selected as fourth official for this seasons Capital One Cup Final between Bradford City and Swansea City on February 24th 2013. Furthermore, Michael has been promoted within FIFA to a "category one" referee and will therefore be eligible to referee games in the UEFA Champions League

Quote
An evening with Howard Webb
Northumberland FA`s RA-FA event will be held in The Magpie Suite at St James Park on Monday 25th March from 7pm till 9pm. The evening will consist of some referee development opportunities followed by World Cup Final referee Howard Webb talking about "Teamwork" and his experiences in South Africa.
This really is a unique opportunity to listen to a colleague at the top of his profession and should not be missed by any referee. Places will be limited and should be booked vie email to clive.oliver@northumberlandfa.com in order to reserve your place.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Monday 4 February 2013, 09:36:07 pm
Would love to have the chance to listen to a top level referee like Webb.  Shame I'm across the pond.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:28:17 pm
May as well have a Lucky 8 Ball make decisions instead of referees right now. Diabolical set of referees atm.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:29:19 pm
One of the lowest standards in the prem at the moment in the 18 years i've been watching football. It's f***ing s***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:39:51 pm
Holy f***, you may as well not bother having a ref now if that sort of s*** goes unpunished.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:39:58 pm
Absolutely disgusting from Halsey today, and we're not even done with the first half.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:43:06 pm
Nice one Halsey. Do everyone a favor and retire aye?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:43:07 pm
Awful, awful decision. Fact he didn't even give a foul before the seriousness became apparent is disgusting.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:44:10 pm
That was on a par with the Ben Arfa one a few years ago. Absolutely disgraceful.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:48:44 pm
Wasn't Ben Arfa the same ref who sent Tiote off against Sunderland?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Eddy Chibas on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:49:29 pm
That was on a par with the Ben Arfa one a few years ago. Absolutely disgraceful.

Aye

A pair of blatant hatchet-jobs/tackles, and not a single on-the-spot yellow handed out (DeJong escaped a y-card too iirc?).

Through refereeing incompetancy the PL has become a snipers league.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:55:45 pm
RDO Clive Oliver said "This is a venture I have been looking to launch for some time and I was delighted to secure the help of Michael Oliver to lead the group. Although he is at the top of his profession he is a perfect role model as it is not that long since Michael was being trained at the same level as the referees in the group. Not only do I believe he is the best person in the county to lead the group, he is the best person in the country. The referees both male and female will gain so much knowledge from him"

I suppose a father would say that about his son.....
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Neil on Sunday 17 March 2013, 04:56:44 pm
The standard of refereeing? What standard? That implies a level of consistency is maintained to judge refs against. It's all completely gone to pot. If you can't spot the McManaman challenge today then what the hell is the point of a referee being there at all?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:04:39 pm
The standard of refereeing? What standard? That implies a level of consistency is maintained to judge refs against. It's all completely gone to pot. If you can't spot the McManaman challenge today then what the hell is the point of a referee being there at all?

Exactly, it's a very easy excuse to say a referee has missed a decision but its a referees job to get himself in the correct position to referee the game.
Halsey has been guilty of complacency bordering on laziness, happy to run his diagonals and hope he sees te game through. When Tiote begins to block his view he shoul be altering his position to view the tackle but he doesn't, it's obscured and he remains on his original run doing nothing to actually view the challenge.

The standard of refereeing is poor, he game has advanced to a level of fitness that a referee can't keep up with.  Full time referees shouldn't be lumbering around the pitch on pre determined routes.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:05:49 pm
The standard of refereeing? What standard? That implies a level of consistency is maintained to judge refs against. It's all completely gone to pot. If you can't spot the McManaman challenge today then what the hell is the point of a referee being there at all?

Yeah, we may as well play by honour rules now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:05:54 pm
Can`t stand hailsey, remember when he let that Grimbsy player take Shearer out. I`m fuming.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:08:43 pm
I'd have taken the points deduction for taking the players off the field tbh.

What is the point if the players have no protection?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:09:12 pm
Just getting worse and worse. This is the angriest i think i've ever been about a challenge, and i was fuming after HBA. We have one of the most cowardly FA's around, that little c*** should be banned for as long as Haidara is injured or at the very least given a very long ban. There is intent to "do" Haidara and you can see it on his face, what a f***ing c***. Wish Carver had smacked him one.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:10:36 pm
Even by the pretty low standards, there have been some unbelievably bad decisions this weekend.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:11:50 pm
Need a complete referee overhaul. This current crop is beyond awful and headed by a s*** ref in Howard Webb.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:11:54 pm
Great consistency giving Perch a yellow ther you idiot.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ATB on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:17:19 pm
He just need to be banned from PL for life, anyway for a long long time.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:53:01 pm
Get me Mark Hasley's number. It's time for him to hand in the resignation letter. What a f***ing joke.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ikri on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:53:13 pm
Utterly incompetent
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:56:24 pm
Handball wins it. Excellent refereeing from start to finish.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:57:30 pm
I'd have taken the points deduction for taking the players off the field tbh.

What is the point if the players have no protection?
I wish we'd taken the players off the field now. Would've saved me having to watch that s****.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Adam^ on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:57:39 pm
Video replays are needed. Anyone who thinks otherwise can go f*** themselves. s*** refereeing ruins far too many matches, time they go some help.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:57:59 pm
I don't believe that was even incompetence today. Bent as f***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Zero on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:58:39 pm
Easily the worst ref ever. Ever. Ever.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:58:45 pm
How in the f*** was that blatant handball not spotted?? for f***'s sake!!!!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:59:05 pm
Hope he gets gang raped by aids infected Nigerians
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dontooner on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:59:06 pm
Referees should be ban for performances like that too.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:59:16 pm
How in the f*** was that blatant handball not spotted?? for f***'s sake!!!!

And the lino is on that side, he has a clear view of it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Sunday 17 March 2013, 05:59:25 pm
Pardew should speak his mind and pay any FA fine that he might get.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: RodneyCisse on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:00:17 pm
He'll sleep well tonight on his 100k a year.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:00:54 pm
Not joking when you see better ref's in the local Sunday League. If these are the elite then were f***ed.

An absolute disgrace of a performance. Is it any wonder players lose their rags.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: taxfree on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:00:58 pm
Hate them all.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:01:11 pm
Pardew should speak his mind and pay any FA fine that he might get.

This.. His players need him to be angry and to show it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:02:25 pm
Pardew should speak his mind and pay any FA fine that he might get.

He should have been on at the end getting himself a touchline ban and a heavy fine. He's far too soft.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:06:15 pm
One of the most inept displays of refereeing that I've ever seen, and a game that we should have at least drawn, we have ended up with:

- No points
- A player facing a lengthy spell on the sidelines
- An assistant who'll probably face action for HT
- A manager who'll be fined for comments that he's hopefully about to make.

The standard of refereeing in this country in abysmal, absolutely abysmal.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:08:47 pm
One of the most inept displays of refereeing that I've ever seen, and a game that we should have at least drawn, we have ended up with:

- No points
- A player facing a lengthy spell on the sidelines
- An assistant who'll probably face action for HT
- A manager who'll be fined for comments that he's hopefully about to make.

The standard of refereeing in this country in abysmal, absolutely abysmal.
:clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:11:56 pm
Saying he was blocked. Come on, man. He's looking dead at it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Adam^ on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:14:12 pm
Saying he was blocked. Come on, man. He's looking dead at it.

His job is to move around the pitch and be in a position to see the ball at all times. He can move ffs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:14:22 pm
Saying he was blocked. Come on, man. He's looking dead at it.

Blocked for a nanosecond as MYM ran past. Not enough to obsecure his view of the incident.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:15:37 pm
Saying he was blocked. Come on, man. He's looking dead at it.

Blocked for a nanosecond as MYM ran past. Not enough to obsecure his view of the incident.

But that's what the two lino's and 4th officials are for, to see what he doesn't. How none of them saw it is plainly a lie if that's what they say.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: SiLvOR on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:18:05 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:19:51 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.

Well Colo got sent off on the lino's say so at Liverpool, you can see him shouting "it's a red it's a red" in his mic.

So it does happen, and needs to happen much more often but like you say as a rule they say nothing.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Fuzzy on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:39:51 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.

Well Colo got sent off on the lino's say so at Liverpool, you can see him shouting "it's a red it's a red" in his mic.

So it does happen, and needs to happen much more often but like you say as a rule they say nothing.

Lino gave a pen on Sunderland game today, but then failed to give a pen to Norwich.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Northerngimp on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:41:20 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.

Well Colo got sent off on the lino's say so at Liverpool, you can see him shouting "it's a red it's a red" in his mic.

So it does happen, and needs to happen much more often but like you say as a rule they say nothing.

Lino gave a pen on Sunderland game today, but then failed to give a pen to Norwich.

THat was f***ing disgusting.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:43:54 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.

Well Colo got sent off on the lino's say so at Liverpool, you can see him shouting "it's a red it's a red" in his mic.

So it does happen, and needs to happen much more often but like you say as a rule they say nothing.

Lino gave a pen on Sunderland game today, but then failed to give a pen to Norwich.

Yep, inconsistancy dont help.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: geordie_b on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:45:56 pm
Why/how is a referee who lives in Bolton (less than 10 miles from the DW) refereeing today's game?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:48:59 pm
Why/how is a referee who lives in Bolton (less than 10 miles from the DW) refereeing today's game?

Would we get a ref from Hexham? Or Ashington? Or Morpeth?

Absolutely scandalous. Said to my missus that we were in trouble as soon as I saw Halsey.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:49:43 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.

Well Colo got sent off on the lino's say so at Liverpool, you can see him shouting "it's a red it's a red" in his mic.

So it does happen, and needs to happen much more often but like you say as a rule they say nothing.

Colo had barely touched Suarez (I think he completely missed?) and was sent off for that, the inconsistency is just ridiculous now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:51:16 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.

Well Colo got sent off on the lino's say so at Liverpool, you can see him shouting "it's a red it's a red" in his mic.

So it does happen, and needs to happen much more often but like you say as a rule they say nothing.

Colo had barely touched Suarez (I think he completely missed?) and was sent off for that, the inconsistency is just ridiculous now.

Aye he missed Suarez but the intent was enough, i say that through gritted teeth mind. But you're spot on the inconsistency is so bad.

Actually i just think we have very bad refs. Plain awful, crap standard, bog awful refs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:52:23 pm
No complaints with the Colo red card at all tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:52:48 pm
It smacks of more than inconsistency when it's your team that is on the sharp end of most of the major decisions though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 17 March 2013, 06:54:51 pm
Why are referees allowed to get as fat as Halsey by the way? Surely they're supposed to be the fittest person on the pitch given the ground they're supposed to cover.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:10:35 pm
Can't remember the last time a really bad tackle on one of our players was punished. Ryan Taylor x 2 (Villa and Atromitos), HBA and Haidara all crocked, iirc we didn't even get a foul for any of them.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: HTT on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:10:53 pm
The match officials are the most important people during a game of football and in my opinion they should be made professional. Footballers have to train every day of the week, I think its time the officials were made to turn pro and trained every day too. We are talking about a sport that effects thousands of people, a sport that can make or break a career, a sport where someone could lose their job or career even based on what the officials do or do not do. I'm sick of the whole respect thing, that they are just normal guys or cannot win. Bull s***. They need to be far more accountable and there needs to be some kind of officiating centre so refs and linesman can go to train, study and basically learn. We also need more ex players and fans progressing into becoming refs. A lad we play 5-a-side with will never make a match day ref at any level other than Sunday pub level yet he is a f***ing very good ref.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:11:38 pm
They've been professional over a decade.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:11:50 pm
The match officials are the most important people during a game of football and in my opinion they should be made professional. Footballers have to train every day of the week, I think its time the officials were made to turn pro and trained every day too. We are talking about a sport that effects thousands of people, a sport that can make or break a career, a sport where someone could lose their job or career even based on what the officials do or do not do. I'm sick of the whole respect thing, that they are just normal guys or cannot win. Bull s***. They need to be far more accountable and there needs to be some kind of officiating centre so refs and linesman can go to train, study and basically learn. We also need more ex players and fans progressing into becoming refs. A lad we play 5-a-side with will never make a match day ref at any level other than Sunday pub level yet he is a f***ing very good ref.

They are professional now H.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:11:56 pm
Can't remember the last time a really bad tackle on one of our players was punished. Ryan Taylor x 2 (Villa and Atromitos), HBA and Haidara all crocked, iirc we didn't even get a foul for any of them.

Add to that De Jong v Benny, Bardsley v Colo, and that Sterling tackle.

There's a video montage to be made in there.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:12:25 pm
I'm glad HTT know's what he's on about, otherwise his post would make s*** sense to most people like.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:12:27 pm
watched 2 games today, saw 4 major f*** ups that changed the result in both games, absolute f***ing shambles tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Slippery Sam on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:14:05 pm
Wonder if the FA will let Halsey ref a game at SJP this season? I hope so, as it would be nice to give him a warm reception.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:18:10 pm
watched 2 games today, saw 4 major f*** ups that changed the result in both games, absolute f***ing shambles tbh.

I watched the Mackems game (I know, I know) and their luck was unreal.

Their player handling in their own box, ref inexplicably gives a free kick outside.  And I know the Bassong handball was a handball, but it was harsh.  Controlled with his chest and it bounced onto his arm with no one near him threatening.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Slippery Sam on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:21:41 pm
watched 2 games today, saw 4 major f*** ups that changed the result in both games, absolute f***ing shambles tbh.

I watched the Mackems game (I know, I know) and their luck was unreal.

Their player handling in their own box, ref inexplicably gives a free kick outside.  And I know the Bassong handball was a handball, but it was harsh.  Controlled with his chest and it bounced onto his arm with no one near him threatening.

Contolled it with his chest and deliberately handled it? No chance.  The mackem was offside as well, but, surprise surprise, the linesman missed it!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: HTT on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:27:52 pm
:lol:

I know they are pro, I meant actually pro, as in 6 days a week, 9-5 job.




































Actually I didn't know they were pro, f*** me when did that happen?! 9-5 s*** as well?

Anyway, my general point still stands. That French place we send Ben Arfa to, there needs to be an England officials type place similar.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:32:51 pm
2001.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ATB on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:33:45 pm
The problem is that football is so high up in there own asses it´s not even funny. That they can´t start using some f***ing technology, how hard can it be? I´m just so sick of everything in football right now. The sport will start to kill it self soon with Fifa and that lot.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:34:13 pm
2001, ah the same time paragraphs were invented.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:40:10 pm
Has the standards actually improved since they went pro?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: HTT on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:41:43 pm
2001...  :blush:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 17 March 2013, 09:48:29 pm
The thing is, linos and 4th officials have no bollocks at all, they very rarely make a call that would go against the ref or help him out. It all stinks.

Well Colo got sent off on the lino's say so at Liverpool, you can see him shouting "it's a red it's a red" in his mic.

So it does happen, and needs to happen much more often but like you say as a rule they say nothing.

Colo had barely touched Suarez (I think he completely missed?) and was sent off for that, the inconsistency is just ridiculous now.

Aye he missed Suarez but the intent was enough, i say that through gritted teeth mind. But you're spot on the inconsistency is so bad.

Actually i just think we have very bad refs. Plain awful, crap standard, bog awful refs.

It's important to remember that the referee will give his pre match instructions to the linesmen prior to kick off. People get wound up when a linesman doesn't flag for a foul close to him, well quite often a ref will say something along the lines of "everything in your third flag for the rest is mine" they do this to absolve responsibility from the linesman, same with penaltys, the ref may allow linesman to flAg for say hand ball but will decide himself on fouls in the area.

They do it to try and be consistent but it quite often fails them.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Benwell Lad on Sunday 17 March 2013, 10:07:18 pm
Has the standards actually improved since they went pro?

No. They've got worse.
Sad indictictment of PL refereeing is that the best one they've ever had was an amatuer who's day job was a schoolmaster at Eton.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Slippery Sam on Sunday 17 March 2013, 10:10:47 pm
Has the standards actually improved since they went pro?

No. They've got worse.
Sad indictictment of PL refereeing is that the best one they've ever had was an amatuer who's day job was a schoolmaster at Eton.

I don't think they're worse or better tbh.  What has happened is the increased use of technology has highlighted the amount of mistakes they make.  It's about time we used technology to it's potential imo - that includes the FA changing the law so as to include retrospective action against players regardless of what the referee at the time think.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Sunday 17 March 2013, 10:13:54 pm
I don't think they're worse or better tbh.  What has happened is the increased use of technology has highlighted the amount of mistakes they make.

:thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:19:52 am
Has the standards actually improved since they went pro?

No. They've got worse.
Sad indictictment of PL refereeing is that the best one they've ever had was an amatuer who's day job was a schoolmaster at Eton.

Harrow.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 18 March 2013, 01:02:14 am
It's the whole Respect campaign whilst being entirely s*** that f***s me off. McManaman deliberately assaults Haidara and potentially ends his career with one of the worst tackles you're ever likely to see...play on.

Nani jumps for the ball and gets a red card.

You f***ing EARN respect.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Slippery Sam on Monday 18 March 2013, 09:40:50 am
Halsey should be finished after the disgrace yesterday.  He may not have seen the actual incident (crikey, surely he is supposed to make sure he can see such challenges??) due to being too slow, but he MUST have heard the boy's scream.  To then not ask his so-called assistants what they saw is unforgivable.

The linesman who missed the hand ball should be sent down to Conference level. I aplologise to Conference team supporters.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Monday 18 March 2013, 10:53:15 am
Even if Halsey didn't see that tackle (which he f***ing should have), what is his excuse for not booking the little c*** seconds later when there's a deliberate hand ball?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Crumpy Gunt on Monday 18 March 2013, 10:58:21 am
Halsey should be finished after the disgrace yesterday.  He may not have seen the actual incident (crikey, surely he is supposed to make sure he can see such challenges??) due to being too slow, but he MUST have heard the boy's scream.  To then not ask his so-called assistants what they saw is unforgivable.

The linesman who missed the hand ball should be sent down to Conference level. I aplologise to Conference team supporters.
The linesman on both sides had a clear view of both major incidents. Like I've suggested before though has Halsey instructed his lino's to keep their involvement to line calls and offsides only. Some referee's do it this way. The referee at the mackem game was happy to allow his lino's the opportunity to help him as many would suggest they should.

Do refs work with the same lino's week in week out?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:07:36 am
Halsey should be finished after the disgrace yesterday.  He may not have seen the actual incident (crikey, surely he is supposed to make sure he can see such challenges??) due to being too slow, but he MUST have heard the boy's scream.  To then not ask his so-called assistants what they saw is unforgivable.

The linesman who missed the hand ball should be sent down to Conference level. I aplologise to Conference team supporters.
The linesman on both sides had a clear view of both major incidents. Like I've suggested before though has Halsey instructed his lino's to keep their involvement to line calls and offsides only. Some referee's do it this way. The referee at the mackem game was happy to allow his lino's the opportunity to help him as many would suggest they should.

Do refs work with the same lino's week in week out?

No they don't.  There have been calls that we should have a professional set of linesman on top of referees.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Zach on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:10:04 am
A player blocking his view is a poor excuse anyway, it never happened in a crowd of players, there was just one player in his way. He's a referee, he should adjust so that he can see it. Add that to the fact there's 4 officials and not one of them saw it and there is absolutely no excuse for them.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: fraser on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:19:56 am
In my opinion most referees and their assistants are incompetent; most simple issues are correctly awarded but in my experience most difficult decisions are decided by the mental toss of a coin. This means that referees will get some difficult ones right to bolster any sagging reputation.

I do find it comical though to see an assistant give a handball decision like yesterday's at Sunderland with such authority and conviction, puffing himself up as he ostentatiously flags to watch him completely f*** up another decision later in the same match. They are, by and large, figures of fun.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:22:17 am
http://m.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130318/exclusive-mark-halsey-urged-quit-premier-league-referee-after-missing-ho-1938

'Halsey should quit after missing horror tackle' - Graham Poll
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Heake on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:24:47 am
Halsey should be finished after the disgrace yesterday.  He may not have seen the actual incident (crikey, surely he is supposed to make sure he can see such challenges??) due to being too slow, but he MUST have heard the boy's scream.  To then not ask his so-called assistants what they saw is unforgivable.

The linesman who missed the hand ball should be sent down to Conference level. I aplologise to Conference team supporters.
The linesman on both sides had a clear view of both major incidents. Like I've suggested before though has Halsey instructed his lino's to keep their involvement to line calls and offsides only. Some referee's do it this way. The referee at the mackem game was happy to allow his lino's the opportunity to help him as many would suggest they should.

Do refs work with the same lino's week in week out?

The term "assistant referee" has been used for some while & their function is to do absolutely that: Assist the referee

However, the incident yesterday merely served to underline the inadequate & inconsistent nature of the the modern officialls. We now see many occasions when ignorance is applied in the face of blatant incidents & subjective calls given to debatable hand balls etc. The linesman in this case had a clear veiw & chose to ignore it, for whatever reason, though my call is that he seen it for what it was & shirked his responsibility. As such he should be branded a coward, like Macmanaman.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: RodneyCisse on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:27:14 am
http://m.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130318/exclusive-mark-halsey-urged-quit-premier-league-referee-after-missing-ho-1938

'Halsey should quit after missing horror tackle' - Graham Poll

He does seem to have a massive amount of incompetence on the pitch.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:27:59 am
http://m.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130318/exclusive-mark-halsey-urged-quit-premier-league-referee-after-missing-ho-1938

'Halsey should quit after missing horror tackle' - Graham Poll

He does seem to have a massive amount of incompetence on the pitch.

:clap:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wilson on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:30:10 am
Brilliant.

:clap:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:30:32 am
He's 51?! :lol:

Are there any other referees of that age?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:33:17 am
Fair play to Poll for coming out like that, as I usually get the referee's ex and current back each other like a gentleman's club.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:35:26 am
He's 51?! :lol:

Are there any other referees of that age?

I thought you couldn't referee past 45 in the past?  Must had changed the rules.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Roger Kint on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:37:12 am
He's 51?! :lol:

Are there any other referees of that age?

I thought you couldn't referee past 45 in the past?  Must had changed the rules.

I thought they only changed the International one to about 47 or something?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rangers Pack on Monday 18 March 2013, 11:44:39 am
The game has got away from ref's it's just too quick.

Any bad injury the ref should have the option to ask to see it, no disruption to the game whilst a players getting treated, all goals should also be reviewed which is another natural break in the game. It's just not physically possible for them to keep up with play.

More and more games (two yesterday) are gettiing results changed due to wrong decisions and it's stuff that's not even close most of the time.

This is the top end of the game we're talking about, the technology is there, it'd take seconds, it needs to change, it's getting beyond "ah well, what goes around comes around and it evens out over a season" there are real games results being changed wrongly.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:42:45 pm
He's 51?! :lol:

Are there any other referees of that age?

Chris Foy (horror show at same weekend :lol:) and Phil Dowd are both 50.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Select_Group_Referees

Edit: All 3 same alumni. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:47:28 pm
The game has got away from ref's it's just too quick.

Any bad injury the ref should have the option to ask to see it, no disruption to the game whilst a players getting treated, all goals should also be reviewed which is another natural break in the game. It's just not physically possible for them to keep up with play.

More and more games (two yesterday) are gettiing results changed due to wrong decisions and it's stuff that's not even close most of the time.

This is the top end of the game we're talking about, the technology is there, it'd take seconds, it needs to change, it's getting beyond "ah well, what goes around comes around and it evens out over a season" there are real games results being changed wrongly.



4th official could have easily watched the reply and advised the ref it was a straight red.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wilson on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:47:48 pm
Quote
Former Premier League referee Alan Wiley has offered his support to Mark Halsey after he failed to spot Callum McManaman's knee-high challenge on Massadio Haidara during Wigan's game with Newcastle.

Wigan striker McManaman was not even cautioned by referee Halsey, who later admitted he failed to spot the challenge on France U21 international Haidara during Athletic's 2-1 win at the DW Stadium on Sunday.

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew was outraged by the tackle and his Wigan counterpart Roberto Martinez promised McManaman would apologise to Haidara.

But speaking on Sky Sports News, Wiley insisted Halsey was not to blame for the oversight as he was unsighted at the time of the incident.

"When the ball goes out towards the touchline, Mark will probably think McManaman has played the ball because he cannot see the challenge as it is."
Alan Wiley
"From the referee's point of view, he is in the position you would expect him to be," said Wiley.

"It's just one of those situations where at the moment the tackle is made, a player runs along Mark Halsey's path which then blocks his view of the challenge, so Mark doesn't actually see the challenge.

"When the ball goes out towards the touchline, Mark will probably think McManaman has played the ball because he cannot see the challenge as it is.

"It is a one in a thousand situation where at the opportune moment, a player runs across his path and unfortunately, that (the foul) gets missed."


Bad feeling

Pardew said after the match: "It is an awful challenge. The pictures speak for themselves. I thought it was a bad challenge and I was 60 yards from the incident.


"The players knew because they were on top of it and there was a lot of bad feeling about that incident when it goes unpunished. He (Halsey) said 'If I've missed it I apologise' - that was at half-time."

Martinez defended the character of his player but admitted that it had looked a bad challenge.

He said: "I can't really comment too much because I haven't seen the action but I can guarantee that Callum McManaman is a young man full of talent and in his debut probably showed the enthusiasm that you expect, but he's not a malicious player."

As much as I hate what happened, this is pretty much the point I was arguing with someone yesterday.  Again, it doesn't change the fact the other officials should have helped Halsey out.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: taxfree on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:48:11 pm
From Matt Spiro-

"Heard on UK radio this morning Halsey is 'distraught' & much concern over affect on McManaman's career. Haidara not even pronounced properly"

Wow
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:50:15 pm
From Matt Spiro-

"Heard on UK radio this morning Halsey is 'distraught' & much concern over affect on McManaman's career. Haidara not even pronounced properly"

Wow


you f***ing what?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wilson on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:50:43 pm
Hope his f***ing career goes down the shitter the f***ing prick.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 18 March 2013, 12:51:25 pm
 :undecided:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Parky on Monday 18 March 2013, 01:58:13 pm
Halsey was abused on twitter for ages by Liv fans and I felt a bit sorry for him....not now. Cuntface.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Monday 18 March 2013, 02:04:43 pm
From Matt Spiro-

"Heard on UK radio this morning Halsey is 'distraught' & much concern over affect on McManaman's career. Haidara not even pronounced properly"

Wow


you f***ing what?

He's a French journo. I'm guessing he's saying that the English media are focusing too much on the wrong things and that Haidara (who's name they can't pronounce) is an after thought in all of it. There have been a few c***s who focused on how distraught McManaman was when he was subbed. Conveniently forgetting he and McCarthy gestured to Halsey that Haidara was faking at the time it happened.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Monday 18 March 2013, 02:20:23 pm
Always thought referees in the premier league, as incompetent as they may be, were always sound as f*** when it comes to swinging matches for cash. How can anyone look at the match yesterday and not begin to have doubts?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Monday 18 March 2013, 02:22:09 pm
He's 51?! :lol:

Are there any other referees of that age?

Dowd & Foy are both gone 50 years old

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Monday 18 March 2013, 02:23:20 pm
He's 51?! :lol:

Are there any other referees of that age?

I thought you couldn't referee past 45 in the past?  Must had changed the rules.

I thought they only changed the International one to about 47 or something?

45 is the retirement age for FIFA referee's but they can still referee domestic football. IIRC MIke Dean will drop off the FIFA list this year as he is approaching 45
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: axel on Monday 18 March 2013, 02:29:52 pm
Halsey is usually a decent ref imo. Just got things horribly wrong yesterday..
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: pintofscottsellers on Monday 18 March 2013, 02:36:13 pm
Glad that Poll has slated Halseys performance whereas that t*** Wiley has stuck up for him. The handball was just an absolute joke, how have they not seen it man ffs, every Newcastle player in the box appeals straight away, I know you obviously can't give a desicion on an appeal, but when it's that blatent, howay man, the F.A need to have some bollocks and take action over this farce.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Adam^ on Monday 18 March 2013, 02:56:58 pm
4th offical has a tv monitor and reviews the play after goals etc. Simple as f*** to implement and would have little to no effect on the flow of the game. Not that this very simple idea will be used as FA/UEFA/FIFA are f***ing dinosaurs who have taken years to use goal line technology.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Monday 18 March 2013, 03:01:53 pm
4th offical has a tv monitor and reviews the play after goals etc. Simple as f*** to implement and would have little to no effect on the flow of the game. Not that this very simple idea will be used as FA/UEFA/FIFA are f***ing dinosaurs who have taken years to use goal line technology.

Remember when managers had a TV in the dugout? Ended up being better informed than the refs, so instead of giving the ref access to a TV, they banned them for the managers. :yao:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 18 March 2013, 03:54:58 pm
Halsey is usually a decent ref imo. Just got things horribly wrong yesterday..

No, he's always been awful.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Slippery Sam on Monday 18 March 2013, 04:01:03 pm
Glad that Poll has slated Halseys performance whereas that t*** Wiley has stuck up for him. The handball was just an absolute joke, how have they not seen it man ffs, every Newcastle player in the box appeals straight away, I know you obviously can't give a desicion on an appeal, but when it's that blatent, howay man, the F.A need to have some bollocks and take action over this farce.

Saw Wiley on SSN.  As he came to the end of his defense of Halsey, his voice tapered off and seemed to be talking to himself as if the presenters etc were not interested at all in what he was saying. I would like to see it again, but it seemed that way.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Monday 18 March 2013, 04:57:07 pm
Halsey is usually a decent ref imo. Just got things horribly wrong yesterday..

No, he's always been awful.

Go to the video website ( Not allowed to use the name ? Not sure ) Search Justin Whittle elbows shearer. You will see at about 30 seconds the Grimsby player take Shearer out in plain view of Halsey. Shearer gets nothing and asks Halsey why with a mouth full of blood. I still havn`t forgiven the c*** for that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 18 March 2013, 05:20:31 pm
Halsey is usually a decent ref imo. Just got things horribly wrong yesterday..

No, he's always been awful.

Go to the video website ( Not allowed to use the name ? Not sure ) Search Justin Whittle elbows shearer. You will see at about 30 seconds the Grimsby player take Shearer out in plain view of Halsey. Shearer gets nothing and asks Halsey why with a mouth full of blood. I still havn`t forgiven the c*** for that.

Yep, tbf to him, he's just one in a number of our ref's who are awful, so he's not alone in being crap.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 18 March 2013, 05:21:17 pm
Glad that Poll has slated Halseys performance whereas that t*** Wiley has stuck up for him. The handball was just an absolute joke, how have they not seen it man ffs, every Newcastle player in the box appeals straight away, I know you obviously can't give a desicion on an appeal, but when it's that blatent, howay man, the F.A need to have some bollocks and take action over this farce.

Saw Wiley on SSN.  As he came to the end of his defense of Halsey, his voice tapered off and seemed to be talking to himself as if the presenters etc were not interested at all in what he was saying. I would like to see it again, but it seemed that way.

Wiley reckons Halsey view was blocked, fwiw.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Monday 18 March 2013, 05:38:16 pm
Halsey is usually a decent ref imo. Just got things horribly wrong yesterday..

No, he's always been awful.

Go to the video website ( Not allowed to use the name ? Not sure ) Search Justin Whittle elbows shearer. You will see at about 30 seconds the Grimsby player take Shearer out in plain view of Halsey. Shearer gets nothing and asks Halsey why with a mouth full of blood. I still havn`t forgiven the c*** for that.

Holy s*** I didn't realise how close he was to that incident. He is looking directly at it from no more than 10 yards away then tells Shearer to go away while his mouth pours with blood. That has convinced me he has some sort of anti-newcastle thing going on. That or he is blind as f***.

Oh and Alan Wiley was a bumbling idiot on SSN earlier. Trying to make excuses and even went as far as saying Haidara blocked the view of the linesman which is why he didn't give anything. Total utter bollocks and I won't be surprised if we end up getting f*** all out of this, would be typical.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: wormy on Monday 18 March 2013, 06:33:10 pm
http://m.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130318/exclusive-mark-halsey-urged-quit-premier-league-referee-after-missing-ho-1938

'Halsey should quit after missing horror tackle' - Graham Poll

As p*ssed off as I am about it, I wouldn't go as far as wanting his career ended just on the basis of this one decision. If he's basing it on more than one game and he genuinely thinks he's not up to the task fitness wise, that's another matter entirely. But at least it's a different opinion, rather than the bullshit spouted by Alan Wiley.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 18 March 2013, 07:25:25 pm
http://m.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130318/exclusive-mark-halsey-urged-quit-premier-league-referee-after-missing-ho-1938

'Halsey should quit after missing horror tackle' - Graham Poll

As p*ssed off as I am about it, I wouldn't go as far as wanting his career ended just on the basis of this one decision. If he's basing it on more than one game and he genuinely thinks he's not up to the task fitness wise, that's another matter entirely. But at least it's a different opinion, rather than the bullshit spouted by Alan Wiley.

Tbf, it was 2 massive decisions and he should have seen/did see both of them. Along with the other 3 officials and everyone else with eyes.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Monday 18 March 2013, 08:07:52 pm
He's proved that the players aren't safe on the pitch with him refereeing the match. He should walk.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 01:14:23 am
All Premiership referee's are s***, and most of them I suspect of being corrupt. I think the best referee in the Premiership is actually Clattenburg, which says it all really.

The new lad who we had the other week was ok, he will soon turn into a corrupt dick though.

It's shocking though, we have a system where if referee's do or don't give a card or the correct card it can't be rectified later on as the referee has seen and acted on the incident. If a referee takes no action then if it is in his match report the FA again can't rectify it because by not acting on an incident the referee has acted. If he doesn't take any action and doesn't mention it in his match report then again it can't be rectified because the referee has as a result decided that the incident was so small in terms of the game that it wasn't worth mentioning.

We need to go back to a system where cards can be upgraded or downgraded after a match, we need to have a points system for referee's where every decision is looked at and points added or points taken away if a decision is right or wrong.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 01:23:04 am
He's proved that the players aren't safe on the pitch with him refereeing the match. He should walk.
Pretty much. I'm sorry but this whole player blocking his view is bollocks, two players colliding can't be hidden behind one player, he would have seen the build from both players and the aftermath of the challenge even if he didn't see the incident itself. Also the linesman on that side of the pitch has no reason not to see it and the 4th official potentially has no reason not to see it or have access to see it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LooneyToonArmy on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 04:16:53 am
Graham Poll has urged referee Mark Halsey to seriously consider hanging up his whistle after his performance in Wigan’s win over Newcastle.

Halsey has come in for criticism for his failure to punish Wigan’s Callum McManaman for a horror challenge on Massadio Haidara during Sunday’s game at the DW Stadium.

The 51-year-old, who returned to officiating in March 2010 after a successful battle with cancer, did not even award the Magpies a free-kick for the knee-high tackle, which put Haidara in hospital.

And former Premier League official Poll, speaking on the Sports Breakfast, said: “The modern footballer is fitter than ever and you have to question whether a 50-year-old can keep up with play sufficiently and have the mental sharpness to make decisions under that intense scrutiny.

“I watch games and I see some referees who try their very hardest to run around as best as they possibly can and I get very disappointed when I see someone who doesn’t do that. That’s my opinion and I refereed a lot of Premier League games and I worked very hard
.
“Mark used to be one of the fittest referees in the Premier League. He was incredible. I did fitness tests with him again and again. He used to run around like a mad thing. He was a very, very good referee.

“People asked me why I stopped when I was 42. I’d rather stop refereeing and people say you should have done another couple of years than go on too long. That’s why I’m fearing for Mark.

“He’s been through a tough time in his life and no one wishes that on anyone. I just hope Mark looks at it and thinks, 'is it time? Is this a signal to go? Let’s bow out with some grace and dignity and go. It’s time for me to call it a day.'”

 http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130318/exclusive-mark-halsey-urged-quit-premier-league-referee-after-missing-ho-1938?#ixzz2NxKQMSri
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 04:55:08 am
My lasting memory of Halsey is comforting Carver during the tribute to Speed. Always seemed like a decent guy to me, but far too often makes an absolute mess of games and Sunday was the ultimate. Time to call it quits.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 09:09:49 am

Not sure if posted


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4848443/Mark-Halsey-ponders-ref-future-after-horror-tackle-death-threat.html


Death threat stuns Halsey
 
Ref ponders future after Twitter abuse & Poll rant
 


Exclusive
 
By NEIL CUSTIS

Last Updated: 19th March 2013
 
MARK HALSEY is considering his refereeing future after being the subject of a death threat.
 
He was in charge of Wigan’s clash with Newcastle on Sunday and missed Callum McManaman’s horror challenge on Massadio Haidara after his view was blocked.
 
That led to him being attacked on Twitter and one threat left him shaken and unable to sleep on Sunday night.
 
Halsey was then ‘disgusted’ after former ref Graham Poll laid into him on radio yesterday morning.
 
A pal of Halsey said: “Mark was made aware of one particularly vile message asking for his address and claiming he deserved a death threat.
 
“Mark loves refereeing and is consistently one of the best in the game but after something like this he is left wondering whether it is all worth it.
 
“He didn’t even sleep on Sunday. Everyone can see that his view of the incident was blocked.
 
“Now he has had to hear about Graham Poll laying into him.”
 
Halsey, 51, is one of the most respected officials in the game and has battled back from cancer to return to refereeing.
 
Poll said: “I see some referees who try their very hardest to run around and I get very disappointed when I see someone who doesn’t do that.
 
“Mark used to be one of the fittest referees in the Premier League.
 
“He’s been through a tough time in his life. I just hope Mark looks at it and thinks ‘is it time? Is this a signal to go?’”
 
Referees are unable to publicly defend themselves but the pal said: “Mark has been left disgusted by the comments from Poll.
 
“This from a man who issued three yellow cards to the same player in the World Cup.”
 
It is not the first time Halsey has received a death threat.
 
Last season Newcastle’s Steven Taylor revealed how Halsey had told him about other such threats


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4848443/Mark-Halsey-ponders-ref-future-after-horror-tackle-death-threat.html#ixzz2NyWCeaR0
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 09:13:58 am
boo hoo, somebody said he deserved a death threat- not made one?  poor man thats worse like than the tackle and lack of punishment, give him a medal.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Roger Kint on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 09:14:42 am
So saying somebody deserves a death threat is actually a death threat now? You really cant take what is said on twitter as being real ffs its faceless clowns with no balls to do anything about it  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Tuesday 19 March 2013, 09:18:34 am
Referees are unable to publicly defend themselves but the pal said: “Mark has been left disgusted by the comments from Poll.
 
“This from a man who issued three yellow cards to the same player in the World Cup.”

And guess what, Poll took personal responsibility for the error and retired from international matches after that. He ended his PL ref career a year later.

Time to set an example yourself, Halsey.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bennyhat10 on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:15:59 pm
18th-stoke
19th-reading
20th-a.villa
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Anon on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:18:14 pm
18th-stoke
19th-reading
20th-a.villa

 :smugdog:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Oakie Doke on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:20:20 pm
I agree with benny.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:21:05 pm
I agree with benny.

You would.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ToonCanuck on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:23:52 pm
 hard to believe the f.a has done nothing,horrorshow tackle that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:39:02 pm
Death threats are bang out of order.  Whoever has posted s**** like that on Social Media need to be rightly punished for it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:44:08 pm
Death threats are bang out of order.  Whoever has posted s**** like that on Social Media need to be rightly punished for it.

You're dead.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 08:51:58 pm
Death threats are bang out of order.  Whoever has posted s**** like that on Social Media need to be rightly punished for it.

:lol:

Anah, they're proper shan!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 March 2013, 09:19:14 pm
Death threats are wrong but lets not forgot what the poster was saying was that there was no death threat, the sun are making a story out of it. Yes saying someone should be given a death threat is also wrong but no death threat has been issued.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Tuesday 26 March 2013, 09:48:18 am
Halsey stood down from Premiership duty, will referee in League One this weekend.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Minhosa on Tuesday 26 March 2013, 10:08:33 am
Halsey stood down from Premiership duty, will referee in League One this weekend.

Should be in the Isle of Dogs Sunday League Division 2 the useless fucknuckle.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Tuesday 26 March 2013, 11:54:10 am
And nothing happens to Matthew Wilkes, not that a one-match demotion is significant punishment in itself.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Tuesday 26 March 2013, 04:57:38 pm
Referee Halsey is referee for Coventry v Doncaster on Friday then 4th official for Arsenal v Reading on Saturday

Matthew Wilkes will be joining Halsey as he is assistant referee for Coventry v Doncaster

Interesting decision to keep them together mind  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JS on Tuesday 26 March 2013, 05:15:35 pm
Halsey stood down from Premiership duty, will referee in League One this weekend.

Should be in the Isle of Dogs Sunday League Division 2 the useless fucknuckle.

Nice avatar :lol:

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tsunami on Tuesday 26 March 2013, 05:19:36 pm
Should be made to referree Wigan Cosmos.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Tuesday 2 April 2013, 06:14:53 pm
Halsey on Championship duty again this coming weekend fwiw

Seems he is being punished quite a bit
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:23:49 pm
We won but today's refereeing has been poor again.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:25:06 pm
We won but today's refereeing has been poor again.

He was looking straight at the handball on the line, our refs are so poor.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:25:06 pm
Nearly beaten by the ref again, this nonsense has to stop.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:25:32 pm
Was fuming at the handball incident. Got a flashback from Webb's decision to rule out Nolan's goal against Fulham in the relegation season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:25:51 pm
want to give some credit to the ref at the QPR game, was calm and took his time consulting his linesman before giving the red card which imho was correct
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:26:31 pm
Was fuming at the handball incident. Got a flashback from Webb's decision to rule out Nolan's goal against Fulham in the relegation season.

Viduka, but yeah.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:27:12 pm
Was fuming at the handball incident. Got a flashback from Webb's decision to rule out Nolan's goal against Fulham in the relegation season.

Viduka, but yeah.

Ah. Was it Nolan that flicked it on to Viduka?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:30:09 pm
We won but today's refereeing has been poor again.

He was looking straight at the handball on the line, our refs are so poor.

That and the wrong offside call for Gouffran, although I'm not sure you can make a case for the linesman for the latter.

That handball miss was really amateurish by the ref for sure.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:31:15 pm
Was fuming at the handball incident. Got a flashback from Webb's decision to rule out Nolan's goal against Fulham in the relegation season.

Viduka, but yeah.

Ah. Was it Nolan that flicked it on to Viduka?

Nolan was standing next to the keeper while Viduka headed it in from a corner.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:32:24 pm
We won but today's refereeing has been poor again.

He was looking straight at the handball on the line, our refs are so poor.

That and the wrong offside call for Gouffran, although I'm not sure you can make a case for the linesman for the latter.

That handball miss was really amateurish by the ref for sure.

The offside you can understand but the handball is a joke, he has a completely clear view, and the handball its self is a clear as a bell especailly from where the ref was.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:33:01 pm
Was fuming at the handball incident. Got a flashback from Webb's decision to rule out Nolan's goal against Fulham in the relegation season.

Viduka, but yeah.

Ah. Was it Nolan that flicked it on to Viduka?

Nolan was standing next to the keeper while Viduka headed it in from a corner.

 :thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:40:29 pm
Need to see it again because I don't know where the ref was stood - but he surely had to be completely blindsighted. The only way that defender could keep the ball from going in was if he moved his arm - it was absolutely blatant.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:45:09 pm
Also, as if Cisse got booked for that, man. Such a poxy rule.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: matta on Sunday 7 April 2013, 05:46:15 pm
Need to see it again because I don't know where the ref was stood - but he surely had to be completely blindsighted. The only way that defender could keep the ball from going in was if he moved his arm - it was absolutely blatant.

The ref looked straight at it. Atleast it seemed like it in one of the replays. Horrible.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 7 April 2013, 07:43:07 pm
Did the Ref not see the handball or did he see it and decided, as it would have been in NUFC's favour, not to give it? Call me paranoid but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the later. I've heard of 'homer' refs but this season we seem to have 'awayer' refs. They all seem to hate us. I think the Refs and their assistants bet their pension pot on NUFC getting relegated and are doing their best to make it happen.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Sunday 14 April 2013, 01:46:17 pm
Linos. :yao:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 14 April 2013, 01:52:48 pm
Unbelievable that Cisse's goal wasn't given. Shocking. Absolutely shocking.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 14 April 2013, 01:53:53 pm
Unbelievable that Cisse's goal wasn't given. Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

Seriously. f***ing disgraceful. Vaughn looked offside as well btw.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Minhosa on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:03:34 pm
Yet again f***ing shambolic officiating.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Unlucky Luque on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:04:04 pm
This seasons officiating has been laughable
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Lotus on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:04:58 pm
Given they could have had a couple of pens and if given, a shout for a Taylor red card, can't say they were the reason we lost today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:05:24 pm
That goes in at 1-1 and we win.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:05:55 pm
They still f***ed up the clearest of those 50/50 decisions when the player was clearly onside and the ball was rolling in the back of the net.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:06:14 pm
That goes in at 1-1 and we win.

Yes. 100%. Sticking by that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: olliemort on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:10:48 pm
''Howard Webb one of our greatest ever referees''.Yeah right Niall...your Irish as well incase you have forgotten  :lol: I don't think I have ever watched a game where he hasn't ruined It by f***ing retard decisions. He was shocking for Sunderland as well It has to be said
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:45:11 pm
They still f***ed up the clearest of those 50/50 decisions when the player was clearly onside and the ball was rolling in the back of the net.

Won't agree with you hear Kanji. For me the goal is as obvious as the handball from Mbiwa. And possibly the shirt tug from Sayls too. Wouldn't have made a difference, confident they'd probably have pushed for a 2-1 win anyways.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:46:23 pm
The mackems could and should have had 2 pens, and Saylor should have been sent off.

We should have had a goal.

That's three massive decisions the refs failed to make.

p*ss poor all round.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:46:53 pm
Feels like we're playing 12 men every week.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:47:32 pm
Feels like we're playing 12 men every week.

Right except this weekend it wasn't like that. Nowhere close.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:49:57 pm
Officiating was very s**** but had no bearing on the result.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:51:20 pm
Officiating was very s**** but had no bearing on the result.

Well, apart from our wrongly disallowed goal you mean? :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 02:52:14 pm
Officiating was very s**** but had no bearing on the result.

Well, apart from our wrongly disallowed goal you mean? :lol:

And their two penalties?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:00:35 pm
Feels like we're playing 12 men every week.

Right except this weekend it wasn't like that. Nowhere close.
Sunderland deserved to win however we had a goal ruled out for an offside which was clearly on and have lost our first choice keeper while he trying to catch a ball from a free kick that was a dive. Two crucial moments in a match, the goal could have changed the game but judging by the way we played i reckon sunderland would have just forced another winner in.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:01:26 pm
And they could've been up 2-0 in the first half had Graham gotten the penalty he deserved. Pathetic excuses tbh man.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:02:28 pm
Thought Webb was awful, like he's been the last few times I've seen him.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:13:01 pm
Howard Webb in being terminally s*** towards us shocker. He's the worst ref going in terms of being consistent in his shitness.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:13:59 pm
Sian Massey's f***ing useless anarl.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:27:10 pm
The mackems could and should have had 2 pens, and Saylor should have been sent off.

We should have had a goal.

That's three massive decisions the refs failed to make.

p*ss poor all round.

p*ss off man, it wasnt a pen. If it was, then we had a similar incident.

The only pen they could have had was for handball.

What exactly should Taylor have been sent off for?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:28:33 pm
Taylor pulled Graham's shirt as he was about to shoot. Clear pen and a red card.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:43:56 pm
Taylor pulled Graham's shirt as he was about to shoot. Clear pen and a red card.

He fell over way after Taylor let go, neither a pen or a red card.

If that was a red card then we had a similar one.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Shayno on Sunday 14 April 2013, 03:49:01 pm
Though Webb had a good game all things considered. Bit unlucky with the disallowed goal but with so little in it it is hard to be too critical of the linesman. Taylor definitely pulled Graham's shirt, very lucky.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Sunday 14 April 2013, 04:21:44 pm
No chance,what about their shirt pull on I think it was Cisse?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 14 April 2013, 05:18:32 pm
Taylor pulled Graham's shirt as he was about to shoot. Clear pen and a red card.

He fell over way after Taylor let go, neither a pen or a red card.

If that was a red card then we had a similar one.

Yes, he did fall over when he didn't have to, but you get nowt for it if you don't. Stevie stopped him getting the shot off by foul means, which, as much as I don't like, it is his job, he got away with it, hooray, at least it kept it to 3-0 and we kept 11 on the park, embarrassment reduced; I know our guys get roughhoused all the time, but we should man up and keep going. Thought Graham acted like a pro, I would have been accidentally sliding through balls to Cissé all day :lol:

Disappointed with G-Nev demanding reds for Taylor and Gouffran at half time tbh, thought Gouffran was just putting his foot on the ball and it was kicked away from underneath him so his foot landed on the ankle instead. No respect for Redknapp Jnr like, and the two of them yelping cowardice was pathetic. Gary, man, I was singing your praises on Friday, don't get caught up with those t***s, ffs.

Taylor's would have been a technical one and I guess I couldn't have argued it, but forwards do that too and they don't get red cards and penalties against them if it's seen.

I want to see no shirts to grab, just bodypainting :megusta:

:lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 14 April 2013, 10:55:00 pm
Taylor pulled Graham's shirt as he was about to shoot. Clear pen and a red card.
f*** off man you stupid c***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 10:55:56 pm
Taylor pulled Graham's shirt as he was about to shoot. Clear pen and a red card.
f*** off man you stupid c***.


f***s up with you? He's right about the penalty man, stop being so biased.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Atticus on Sunday 14 April 2013, 10:57:15 pm
Dat offside :harry:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 14 April 2013, 10:57:35 pm

f*** off man you stupid c***.

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Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:01:55 pm
You see shirt pulling like that most games and it rarely gets punished. There was much worse against Torres today :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:03:44 pm
You see shirt pulling like that most games and it rarely gets punished. There was much worse against Torres today :lol:

But we aren't discussing the other cases. It was a penalty man. Graham would probably have gotten a shot on goal otherwise and possibly in the nets.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Incognito on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:15:01 pm
You see shirt pulling like that most games and it rarely gets punished. There was much worse against Torres today :lol:

But we aren't discussing the other cases. It was a penalty man. Graham would probably have gotten a shot on goal otherwise and possibly in the nets.

He briefly had his shirt, let go and then Graham flung himself too the floor. Of course Taylor shouldn't have been holding his shirt, and if Graham had gone down when he did it's a pen for me. Because he didn't, it's a dive and should have been yellowed, as should Sess 2nd half.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:15:54 pm
I'm just saying it happens most games, look at the way people are manhandled every corner. They are technically fouls but rarely given. How often do we see pens given for shirt pulls? and it certainly wasn't the most blatantly or OTT shirt pull I have ever seen either.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:34:50 pm
I'm just saying it happens most games, look at the way people are manhandled every corner. They are technically fouls but rarely given. How often do we see pens given for shirt pulls? and it certainly wasn't the most blatantly or OTT shirt pull I have ever seen either.

I understand what you mean. However for me this was a penalty, it's clear he exaggerates a bit but still a penalty. Sess on the other hand is a clear yellow for diving.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:38:26 pm
I'm just saying it happens most games, look at the way people are manhandled every corner. They are technically fouls but rarely given. How often do we see pens given for shirt pulls? and it certainly wasn't the most blatantly or OTT shirt pull I have ever seen either.

I understand what you mean. However for me this was a penalty, it's clear he exaggerates a bit but still a penalty. Sess on the other hand is a clear yellow for diving.

But theres still doubt dude. Theres still a question of did he or did he not embellish?

I'm still losing my mind over the clear 100% without reasonable doubt goal we scored that would have changed the match. Even though you think we'd still have gone to lose, I'm someone who firmly believes in momentum and psyche and at 1-1 we would have gone on to settle this match at a draw or would have won with the crowd firmly behind the team.

Not having a clear goal and them scoring absolutely deflated the players and the crowd, obviously, who were suffering from turbo-s*** football.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:44:29 pm
I'm just saying it happens most games, look at the way people are manhandled every corner. They are technically fouls but rarely given. How often do we see pens given for shirt pulls? and it certainly wasn't the most blatantly or OTT shirt pull I have ever seen either.

I understand what you mean. However for me this was a penalty, it's clear he exaggerates a bit but still a penalty. Sess on the other hand is a clear yellow for diving.

But theres still doubt dude. Theres still a question of did he or did he not embellish?

I'm still losing my mind over the clear 100% without reasonable doubt goal we scored that would have changed the match. Even though you think we'd still have gone to lose, I'm someone who firmly believes in momentum and psyche and at 1-1 we would have gone on to settle this match at a draw or would have won with the crowd firmly behind the team.

Not having a clear goal and them scoring absolutely deflated the players and the crowd, obviously, who were suffering from turbo-s*** football.

In an ideal world I'm with you here. We would probably have gotten a Cisse goal in the 90th to win it had our first goal been rightfully given. They were still the better team and I don't think we can blame the referee for that. You're also forgetting that Mbiwa had a clear handball in the 2nd half where the ball even went out after it and it wasn't even given a corner.

For me they had two doubtless shouts for penalties and should've had them. I understand what you mean Kanji and like you said if the goal is given we are all over them, but today just wasn't one of these day. I don't think it's fair to blame the referee's however. Had we been on the opposite side we would be laughing and ridiculing the mackems for complaining about the 'goal'.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:55:00 pm
We're arguing amongst eachother which is kind of counter productive. I see what you mean...but football is based on these type of ebs and flows ya? But like I keep harping on, a clear 100% onside BALL IN BACK OF NET is a goal, and not giving that is atrocious; irrespective of would have/could have hand balls or shirt tugging which ALL are always up to discussion. You can say, well he clearly tugged his shirt, but that happens on many corners and free kicks. Cisse was held on that first snap s***, so that should be a penalty no? But i feel you bro. No need for us to be arguing amongst each other.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:56:39 pm
:thup:

It's a forum anyways so it's good to discuss. I get what you mean, but it's only 100% goal if the ref gives it :p
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 14 April 2013, 11:59:29 pm
The fact that a part time linesman(woman) can chalk off a goal based on their judgement of a split a decision when being 2 steps out of position without even a discussion from the head referee still bothers me about this game from a modern viewpoint.

Clear mother f***ing goal for Cisse.

Wasn't Vaughn actually off-side for the scum's 3rd?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:01:31 am
The fact that a part time linesman(woman) can chalk off a goal based on their judgement of a split a decision when being 2 steps out of position without even a discussion from the head referee still bothers me about this game from a modern viewpoint.

Clear mother f***ing goal for Cisse.

Wasn't Vaughn actually off-side for the scum's 3rd?

Was a linesman who ruled out the goal and not lineswoman. If anything the lineswoman helped us out with the Mbiwa hand :lol: As for Vaughn, aye it looked like he was, but extremely hard to tell.

Anyways I'd rather blame Pards :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:02:42 am
Yeah - Linesman incorrectly ruled ours out. Lineswoman ruled Vaughn on-side. Thats what I was referring to my dude.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Scotty66 on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:04:26 am
Vaughn was level tbh,another Sunderland player was offside though but he didn't affect the play.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:08:41 am
:thup:

Unfortunately here there's no draft to look forward too. Hate being s*** without being rewarded for it. Back to American sports...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:09:15 am
Vaughn was level tbh,another Sunderland player was offside though but he didn't affect the play.



Ah okay, can't quite remember clearly as I was seething at the time and currently have been awake for about 14 hours now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: biggs on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:12:14 am
The fact that a part time linesman(woman) can chalk off a goal based on their judgement of a split a decision when being 2 steps out of position without even a discussion from the head referee still bothers me about this game from a modern viewpoint.

Clear mother f***ing goal for Cisse.

Wasn't Vaughn actually off-side for the scum's 3rd?
Was that offside goal you were talking about in the second half ? if it was it was the guy linesman who judged it offside and the same one who missed Taylors tug on Grahams shirt and a hand ball first half ,so get your facts right and apologies if i am wrong , we played s*** and Scumderland played well and beat us but i reckon the ref was just as bad for them and the score may have been worse at the break then it was .
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:13:44 am
The fact that a part time linesman(woman) can chalk off a goal based on their judgement of a split a decision when being 2 steps out of position without even a discussion from the head referee still bothers me about this game from a modern viewpoint.

Clear mother f***ing goal for Cisse.

Wasn't Vaughn actually off-side for the scum's 3rd?
Was that offside goal you were talking about in the second half ? if it was it was the guy linesman who judged it offside and the same one who missed Taylors tug on Grahams shirt and a hand ball first half ,so get your facts right and apologies if i am wrong , we played s*** and Scumderland played well and beat us but i reckon the ref was just as bad for them and the score may have been worse at the break then it was .

Calm down son, read the rest of the posts.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:21:38 am
:lol: Yeah biggs, just read the past page man. I'm just talking about our damn goal we scored. I know everything about those would be or could be calls and I'm quite aware we played s*** today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: biggs on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:22:56 am
The fact that a part time linesman(woman) can chalk off a goal based on their judgement of a split a decision when being 2 steps out of position without even a discussion from the head referee still bothers me about this game from a modern viewpoint.

Clear mother f***ing goal for Cisse.

Wasn't Vaughn actually off-side for the scum's 3rd?
Was that offside goal you were talking about in the second half ? if it was it was the guy linesman who judged it offside and the same one who missed Taylors tug on Grahams shirt and a hand ball first half ,so get your facts right and apologies if i am wrong , we played s*** and Scumderland played well and beat us but i reckon the ref was just as bad for them and the score may have been worse at the break then it was .

Calm down son, read the rest of the posts.
Just scrolled back and read your post  :D but sticking up for the lady and ripping his post to shreds  :snod:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:25:18 am
You didn't rip s*** dude. You could only rip me if I didn't already acknowledge everything thats already been said. Go proudly nod elsewhere dude - trying to NOT argue with you all about trivial crap. Doesn't really accomplish anything after a loss like today.

I get you, the lino helped us in the first half. I SAW that. I'm just f***ing pig sick of Cisse goals being called offside when he's clearly on.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: biggs on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:28:34 am
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You didn't rip s*** dude. You could only rip me if I didn't already acknowledge everything thats already been said. Go proudly nod elsewhere dude - trying to NOT argue with you all about trivial crap. Doesn't really accomplish anything after a loss like today.
Cannot be bothered to argue with a DUDE ,GO watch some American footbaseicehockey s****  :naughty:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:32:46 am
We were lucky with Webb today.  Could had sent off at least 2 today, Pardew has made us into the dirties team in the division by a mile.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:38:44 am
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You didn't rip s*** dude. You could only rip me if I didn't already acknowledge everything thats already been said. Go proudly nod elsewhere dude - trying to NOT argue with you all about trivial crap. Doesn't really accomplish anything after a loss like today.
Cannot be bothered to argue with a DUDE ,GO watch some American footbaseicehockey s****  :naughty:

Top post DUDE.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Miercoles on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:52:07 am
So how many times, in a row, has Webb screwed us over now?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 15 April 2013, 12:55:48 am
So how many times, in a row, has Webb screwed us over now?

He didn't screw us over.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 15 April 2013, 01:10:46 am
So how many times, in a row, has Webb screwed us over now?

He didn't screw us over.

Oh, you.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wilson on Monday 15 April 2013, 01:13:38 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/19a41cb35aa9423a56b14f5c0b87b1f4/tumblr_mjg6293g9n1qzpsuoo1_500.jpg)

That's what happening when I googled 'oh you gif'

Aye, I should go to bed.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:26:07 am
We were lucky with Webb today.  Could had sent off at least 2 today, Pardew has made us into the dirties team in the division by a mile.

This is what probably angers me the most. Yesterday we were what Sunderland usually are during derbies. Lazy and dangerous in our challenges. There's no doubt that Webb had a terrible game but it was nowhere near in favor of Sunderland.

Early in the game I thought Cisse was lucky not to be booked when he kicked someone out of play because the defender was blocking his way. Obviously Adam Johnson should've been off for a 2nd yellow after the goal as he earlier stopped a counter attack by holding Ben Arfa and wasn't carded whatsoever.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:27:10 am
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You didn't rip s*** dude. You could only rip me if I didn't already acknowledge everything thats already been said. Go proudly nod elsewhere dude - trying to NOT argue with you all about trivial crap. Doesn't really accomplish anything after a loss like today.
Cannot be bothered to argue with a DUDE ,GO watch some American footbaseicehockey s****  :naughty:

I hope you were joking here :lol: I'll take that as a yes from your smilies, but otherwise you can f*** right off like with posts like that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:43:54 am
Taylor pulled Graham's shirt as he was about to shoot. Clear pen and a red card.
f*** off man you stupid c***.

 Ouch :lol:

It wasn't a pen in your book?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 15 April 2013, 09:46:27 pm
So how many times, in a row, has Webb screwed us over now?

He should have gave sunderland a pwn when taylor decided it was canny to start grabbing shirts.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: biggs on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:22:15 pm
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You didn't rip s*** dude. You could only rip me if I didn't already acknowledge everything thats already been said. Go proudly nod elsewhere dude - trying to NOT argue with you all about trivial crap. Doesn't really accomplish anything after a loss like today.
Cannot be bothered to argue with a DUDE ,GO watch some American footbaseicehockey s****  :naughty:

I hope you were joking here :lol: I'll take that as a yes from your smilies, but otherwise you can f*** right off like with posts like that.
Its the Kanji geezer not you  :banghead:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:25:22 pm
Havent seen any of the highlights of the incidents from yesterday but before the match I said to my dad that I don't remember seeing Sian Massey getting a big decision wrong in the past when I've seen her, reckon she's one of the best out there. I may be completely wrong
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:32:04 pm
Webb's been binned to League One.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: GeordieT on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:32:09 pm
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Lee Ryder ‏@lee_ryder 8m
Howard Webb has been relegated to League One after derby day performance . Colchester v Shrewsbury no less. #NUFC
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:32:35 pm
Sian Massey has been involved in a lot of controversial decisions (which are always highlighted further because she is a lass and all that) but before yesterday she has always been correct when I have seen them.

She looks a good official imo, will never get the respect she should be entitled to though. 

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:33:39 pm
So that's two referees relegated to lower leagues after reffing our matches? Surely we're due a dodgy decision or three?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:33:54 pm
Sian Massey has been involved in a lot of controversial decisions (which are always highlighted further because she is a lass and all that) but before yesterday she has always been correct when I have seen them.

She looks a good official imo, will never get the respect she should be entitled to though.

Exactly what I told my mate at the game.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:33:58 pm
Sian Massey has been involved in a lot of controversial decisions (which are always highlighted further because she is a lass and all that) but before yesterday she has always been correct when I have seen them.

She looks a good official imo, will never get the respect she should be entitled to though.

:thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:36:40 pm
Sian Massey has been involved in a lot of controversial decisions (which are always highlighted further because she is a lass and all that) but before yesterday she has always been correct when I have seen them.

She looks a good official imo, will never get the respect she should be entitled to though.
its unfortunate that she's more prominent than she really should be as she's about the only assistant ref that I could recognize and name on sight and the way the media has gone out of their way at times to praise decisions she's made comes off as condescending.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toonpete1892 on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:41:04 pm
Havent seen any of the highlights of the incidents from yesterday but before the match I said to my dad that I don't remember seeing Sian Massey getting a big decision wrong in the past when I've seen her, reckon she's one of the best out there. I may be completely wrong

I said the complete opposite when I saw her walk out the tunnel. It may be coincidence but when Pigtails is running the line, I can't remember us doing anything but lose badly. Generally she doesn't make the call on big decisions (see the two footed challenge in the corner) and is so slow in keeping up with play (see their third).

And before someone points the fingers and says its because she is a she, my opinion is echoed to every linesperson this season. All have been woeful compared to recent years.

And whilst I'm ranting, what the hell was the fourth official watching yesterday? Normally they stand back an observe the managers but he was stood on the line for most the game. Next time we should just charge him the £45.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:42:36 pm
Havent seen any of the highlights of the incidents from yesterday but before the match I said to my dad that I don't remember seeing Sian Massey getting a big decision wrong in the past when I've seen her, reckon she's one of the best out there. I may be completely wrong

I said the complete opposite when I saw her walk out the tunnel. It may be coincidence but when Pigtails is running the line, I can't remember us doing anything but lose badly. Generally she doesn't make the call on big decisions (see the two footed challenge in the corner) and is so slow in keeping up with play (see their third).

And before someone points the fingers and says its because she is a she, my opinion is echoed to every linesperson this season. All have been woeful compared to recent years.

And whilst I'm ranting, what the hell was the fourth official watching yesterday? Normally they stand back an observe the managers but he was stood on the line for most the game. Next time we should just charge him the £45.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 15 April 2013, 11:58:52 pm
Sian Massey has been involved in a lot of controversial decisions (which are always highlighted further because she is a lass and all that) but before yesterday she has always been correct when I have seen them.

She looks a good official imo, will never get the respect she should be entitled to though. 



There's two sides of the coin to say that she will get respect because of her sex, and those that will highlight her 'not getting respect' all the time, as much as she wont. Either way it's obviously irrelevant. Positive discrimination does my head in as well as the negative stuff (not as much, though), it's completely condescending.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 12:12:15 am
O0
You didn't rip s*** dude. You could only rip me if I didn't already acknowledge everything thats already been said. Go proudly nod elsewhere dude - trying to NOT argue with you all about trivial crap. Doesn't really accomplish anything after a loss like today.
Cannot be bothered to argue with a DUDE ,GO watch some American footbaseicehockey s****  :naughty:

I hope you were joking here :lol: I'll take that as a yes from your smilies, but otherwise you can f*** right off like with posts like that.
Its the Kanji geezer not you  :banghead:

Keep having a go at me. It makes you look a top smart guy man. I've basically agreed we were lucky to not be down early based on some decisions in our favor and I've also highlighted my issue with the incorrect Cisse decision as well. But no, I don't know s*** about a sport I've played and watched my whole life because I'm an American. I've said it other posts and I'll say it one last time - the hell is wrong with people having a go at eachother? We support the same club man.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 12:29:45 am
Kanji's a credit to this forum and a credit to NUFC and I'll end any man saying otherwise.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 12:39:06 am
Sian Massey is an awful official even on a Sunday League match. Had her ref my team many times a few years back. Always managed to award a controversial pen. Yesterday she fell for Sausageonions histrionics and it has cost us Tim Krul.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 01:10:27 am
Sian Massey wasn't the one who ruled Cisse offside.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 01:40:25 am
Sian Massey wasn't the one who ruled Cisse offside.

Read the post.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: biggs on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 07:50:41 am
O0
You didn't rip s*** dude. You could only rip me if I didn't already acknowledge everything thats already been said. Go proudly nod elsewhere dude - trying to NOT argue with you all about trivial crap. Doesn't really accomplish anything after a loss like today.
Cannot be bothered to argue with a DUDE ,GO watch some American footbaseicehockey s****  :naughty:

I hope you were joking here :lol: I'll take that as a yes from your smilies, but otherwise you can f*** right off like with posts like that.
Its the Kanji geezer not you  :banghead:

Keep having a go at me. It makes you look a top smart guy man. I've basically agreed we were lucky to not be down early based on some decisions in our favor and I've also highlighted my issue with the incorrect Cisse decision as well. But no, I don't know s*** about a sport I've played and watched my whole life because I'm an American. I've said it other posts and I'll say it one last time - the hell is wrong with people having a go at eachother? We support the same club man.
Apologies for the comments if they offend you and they are not meant to as all i was doing was pointing out the fact that the chick wasnt to blame for the major calls ,others are jumping in thinking i am having a go at them as Americans but it was jumping in too footed as im annoyed and p*ssed off with the manager and team like everyone is atm and in my eyes the officials had a poor display for both teams and in my eyes could have been 0-3 down at half time,this forum always goes into meltdown during a crisis .
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LeMacaron on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 11:19:30 am
I wonder if she'll ever ref a premier league game?

Seen she's had one recently (and several others) conference match ended 2-2. No cards!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 12:22:30 pm
Apologies for the comments if they offend you and they are not meant to as all i was doing was pointing out the fact that the chick wasnt to blame for the major calls ,others are jumping in thinking i am having a go at them as Americans but it was jumping in too footed as im annoyed and p*ssed off with the manager and team like everyone is atm and in my eyes the officials had a poor display for both teams and in my eyes could have been 0-3 down at half time,this forum always goes into meltdown during a crisis .

I understand, everyone's blood pressure is a bit higher than normal after the weekend. My comment earlier about "linesman(woman)" was basically saying both of the linos hem had close calls from dives, goals allowed etc. :thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: biggs on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 10:16:55 pm
Apologies for the comments if they offend you and they are not meant to as all i was doing was pointing out the fact that the chick wasnt to blame for the major calls ,others are jumping in thinking i am having a go at them as Americans but it was jumping in too footed as im annoyed and p*ssed off with the manager and team like everyone is atm and in my eyes the officials had a poor display for both teams and in my eyes could have been 0-3 down at half time,this forum always goes into meltdown during a crisis .

I understand, everyone's blood pressure is a bit higher than normal after the weekend. My comment earlier about "linesman(woman)" was basically saying both of the linos hem had close calls from dives, goals allowed etc. :thup:
Very true and thats why this thread will run and run and tbh most fans forums probably have one
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Saturday 20 April 2013, 03:49:10 pm
Bless 'em.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Saturday 20 April 2013, 03:49:41 pm
I'm so tired of these refs. I haven't witnessed worse refereeing than in the PL. It's unbelievable. Never a freekick, how can he even give a freekick there. It doesn't exist :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Saturday 20 April 2013, 03:50:29 pm
Two massive f***ups in one decision. Not bad.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Saturday 20 April 2013, 03:51:05 pm
Would have been fuming if he'd given a pen for that. Completely played the ball.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Saturday 20 April 2013, 03:52:12 pm
And the not-given corner earlier.  Wonder if they're just tired of this season too :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Golfmag on Saturday 20 April 2013, 03:54:51 pm
Can't remember a more pro-home team referee.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Saturday 20 April 2013, 03:55:32 pm
Can't remember a more pro-home team referee.

Last week at SJP? :yao:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Roger Kint on Saturday 20 April 2013, 04:03:01 pm
And the not-given corner earlier.  Wonder if they're just tired of this season too :lol:

Didnt give us a clear corner, gave them one when even the WBA player didnt appeal and has made little mistakes all throughout the half. Meanwhile other better refs are punished for mistakes their assistants make?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Numbers on Saturday 20 April 2013, 05:09:51 pm
Bad,bad,bad.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 20 April 2013, 05:13:37 pm
Absolutely woeful whoever this tosspot was. Shockingly bad refereeing AGAIN.

Also special mention to the clown Marriner for the straight red he gave to Giroud. Laughable.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Saturday 20 April 2013, 05:18:16 pm
The refereeing this season is close to putting me off football. Its ridiculously poor. I`m not talking about 50/50 questionable decisions that make football more interesting, its the complete stupidity of some of the calls.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Saturday 20 April 2013, 05:19:46 pm
Absolutely woeful whoever this tosspot was. Shockingly bad refereeing AGAIN.

Also special mention to the clown Marriner for the straight red he gave to Giroud. Laughable.

He slips. But it's a red card. Maybe not a 3 game suspension, but definitely a red card there, he comes in a bit late and is unlucky as he slips. Still dangerous though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 20 April 2013, 05:21:12 pm
Absolutely woeful whoever this tosspot was. Shockingly bad refereeing AGAIN.

Also special mention to the clown Marriner for the straight red he gave to Giroud. Laughable.

He slips. But it's a red card. Maybe not a 3 game suspension, but definitely a red card there, he comes in a bit late and is unlucky as he slips. Still dangerous though.

Not the way I saw it man. He gets the ball and then slips, unsighted to the player coming in behind him. Ridiculous sending off. Something is monumentally f***ed up when Giroud sees red for that, and Macmanaman escapes without so much as a foul.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 20 April 2013, 05:36:07 pm
Absolutely s*** again. That free kick was both not a free kick and in the box.

Every single time the ball went out down the right in the second half it was somehow their ball.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Saturday 20 April 2013, 06:55:56 pm
That free kick was both not a free kick and in the box.


:lol: That's a relief, I thought it was just me wearing stripey specs again. Trevor Stupid Francis and his sidekick were banging on about it being a definite penalty for about an hour afterwards and I was starting to wonder if I was losing my mind as I saw him win the ball. Still, the rest of the nation will think we were lucky again and reinforcing that fallacy's the main thing. Guarantee it will make the highlights reels and be debated, with the decision being we were lucky again. Because we're always being lucky, that's our thing, we're known for being lucky.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 20 April 2013, 06:56:45 pm
Was the referee drunk today?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 20 April 2013, 06:57:50 pm
Was the referee drunk today?

He was dreadful, but just as well for us in a way
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 20 April 2013, 06:58:25 pm
Mike Jones is always terrible, not really a surprise
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Saturday 20 April 2013, 06:58:41 pm
:lol: he must have been, that was a bafflingly bad performance today. Some decisions weren't just wrong, they made absolutely no sense.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Saturday 20 April 2013, 07:02:18 pm
:lol: he must have been, that was a bafflingly bad performance today. Some decisions weren't just wrong, they made absolutely no sense.



"yes you elbowed him in the face on purpose too, now go say sorry" type of referring was a shock I have to say.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Roger Kint on Saturday 20 April 2013, 09:05:43 pm
:lol: he must have been, that was a bafflingly bad performance today. Some decisions weren't just wrong, they made absolutely no sense.



"yes you elbowed him in the face on purpose too, now go say sorry" type of referring was a shock I have to say.

That was the highlight of the game, listening to Trevor Francis trying desperately to get his pea sized brain around the refs decision :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pata on Saturday 20 April 2013, 11:53:46 pm
Absolutely woeful whoever this tosspot was. Shockingly bad refereeing AGAIN.

Also special mention to the clown Marriner for the straight red he gave to Giroud. Laughable.

He slips. But it's a red card. Maybe not a 3 game suspension, but definitely a red card there, he comes in a bit late and is unlucky as he slips. Still dangerous though.

He tries to control the ball and slips. One of the worst red cards I've ever seen given.  ???

Wasn't sure whether to reply or not as you're very likely to be taking the p*ss here. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 21 April 2013, 12:11:02 am
Guarantee it will make the highlights reels

Feel like a t*** quoting myself, like, but it's only to say that MoTD took the right track and said Perchinho won the ball. I'm pretty flabbergasted tbh, was expecting the usual injustice. Not sure where to put my self-righteous anger now :lol: I'll save it for Kammy and his little arse-monkey tomorrow when they have to go along with T. Francis's clueless commentary I suppose. Failing which I'll either calm down or self-detonate. We'll see.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Sunday 21 April 2013, 02:21:21 am
Mike Jones is always terrible, not really a surprise

Everton match last season. That whole sequence leading to Ben Arfa breaking away on a counter, riding a Pienaar tackle and getting called back, advantage not given. So much :anguish: from the initial FK, Everton's non-goal to the call for the foul on Ben Arfa.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: zolton on Sunday 21 April 2013, 10:43:05 am
May not have been the best ref yesterday, but he is not helped with several of your players diving and rolling around in fake agony, #fannies
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 21 April 2013, 10:45:36 am
May not have been the best ref yesterday, but he is not helped with several of your players diving and rolling around in fake agony, #fannies

p*ss off.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 21 April 2013, 11:22:29 am
May not have been the best ref yesterday, but he is not helped with several of your players diving and rolling around in fake agony, #fannies

Is it just me or is this guy and the Swansea fan that comes on here after the game the worst away fans on here after we banned wearside. Never contributes with anything worth reading. A bit like you neesy :p
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 21 April 2013, 11:26:39 am
Yesterday he gave us an advantage, which we didnt have an advantage at all, I thought WBA were going to break away and score after that
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 21 April 2013, 11:29:06 am
May not have been the best ref yesterday, but he is not helped with several of your players diving and rolling around in fake agony, #fannies

 :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 21 April 2013, 05:57:53 pm
what a shock, bloody awful again in the Liverpool Chelsea game
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 7 May 2013, 10:52:08 pm
Phil Dowd gave the red to Zamora for a high boot. Today he didn't sent off Kolarov for the same offence which left Tamas with a head covered in blood. I'm pretty sure if Tamas caught Kolarov's head like that he would've seen red. Ridiculous stuff.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Thursday 9 May 2013, 01:58:10 pm
Mark Halsey announced he's retiring at the end of the season
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Thursday 9 May 2013, 01:59:23 pm
Good riddance.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: icemanblue on Thursday 9 May 2013, 02:54:19 pm
Aye, a season too late for us, like.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Thursday 9 May 2013, 02:59:12 pm
Good riddance.


Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Thursday 9 May 2013, 02:59:24 pm
Mark Halsey announced he's retiring at the end of the season
Martin Atkinson next hopefully! Glad he's going, c*** who has repeatedly f***ed us over.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Thursday 9 May 2013, 03:25:42 pm
To be fair he got a lot of stick for that wigan game which probably weighed heavy on this decision. So I guess that counts as some sort of win for us?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Thursday 9 May 2013, 03:47:57 pm
Will probably be Chris Foy & Phil Dowd next as they are both around 50.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Thursday 9 May 2013, 03:50:16 pm
Linesman Wilkes could do with a demotion to the lower leagues like.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Thursday 9 May 2013, 03:58:31 pm
To be fair he got a lot of stick for that wigan game which probably weighed heavy on this decision. So I guess that counts as some sort of win for us?

Won't if we're relegated and they stay up :anguish:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leffe186 on Sunday 12 May 2013, 02:58:09 am
Will probably be Chris Foy & Phil Dowd next as they are both around 50.

...and Chris Foy is f***ing RUBBISH.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Sunday 12 May 2013, 04:26:55 pm
and here we are again... what a horrible c*** of a ref
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 12 May 2013, 04:55:04 pm
Shocking that that's not the worst refereeing performance we've seen this season :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leffe186 on Sunday 12 May 2013, 04:57:35 pm
Just to say - Kevin Friend was good today. The proper way to ref Stoke, give them a yellow card if they cynically foul, and if they're already on one, that's their problem.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 May 2013, 09:21:25 pm
Happens pretty much every time we play now but Lee Probert kept up the usual awful standard of refereeing today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Incognito on Sunday 12 May 2013, 09:59:03 pm
Just to say - Kevin Friend was good today. The proper way to ref Stoke, give them a yellow card if they cynically foul, and if they're already on one, that's their problem.

Adam's first yellow was very harsh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Theregulars on Sunday 12 May 2013, 10:03:20 pm
Happens pretty much every time we play now but Lee Probert kept up the usual awful standard of refereeing today.

The penalty and the offside goal were both balls-out incorrect.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leffe186 on Monday 13 May 2013, 12:09:46 am
Just to say - Kevin Friend was good today. The proper way to ref Stoke, give them a yellow card if they cynically foul, and if they're already on one, that's their problem.

Adam's first yellow was very harsh.

As an isolated incident, maybe, but it was reckless and followed a half where he had consistently led with his studs/"followed through". Persistent fouling, which is what you always get against Stoke, and which Friend dealt with pretty well. Didn't go crazy, but warned the players, then only if they persisted would he bring out the yellow.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 19 May 2013, 06:42:22 pm
A combination of guesswork and making things up as he goes along today. Its alright though because he talks to the players!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Sunday 19 May 2013, 09:20:08 pm
Looked like Andre Marriner was desperate for spurs not to win today and it took an individual Bale goal to do it going off the highlights.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:53:11 pm

Ref-Cam makes its debut in the MLS

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Tonight, Major League Soccer will bring fans closer to the game with the help of Broadcast Sports, Inc.’s (BSI) revolutionary wireless Ref Cam system that puts television viewers on the field and in the action. BSI and MLS are working collaboratively to provide unique vantage points to soccer fans during the 2013 AT&T MLS All-Star Game at Sporting Park in Kansas City on Wednesday, July 31 at 9:00pm ET (ESPN2/UniMas/TSN/RDS). The game is against AS Roma of Italy’s top division and winners of 15 major titles. ESPN2’s broadcast of the matchup will include exclusive footage from the innovative Ref Cam.
 
The Ref Cam is a person-wearable wireless camera system designed to capture the point-of-view (POV) of the referee during live broadcast productions of sporting events. The camera is positioned at the eye level of a referee, giving viewers his first-person perspective of the field. The camera system has been used during European rugby matches since April and first debuted with MLS at a reserve league match in May. The view from the Ref Cam was seen nationally in the U.S. through ESPN’s broadcast of the WNBA game between the Phoenix Mercury and Indiana Fever on June 8. The reaction from players, broadcasters and fans across the board has been overwhelmingly positive.
 
Initially, MLS looked to BSI for this technological advance to support officials in their decision-making ease and accuracy, training and development. Peter Walton, General Manager of the Professional Referees Organization (PRO), speaks from an official’s perspective, “This is a great tool for referee education in terms of referee positioning, acceleration, and play development.”
 
The goal has been to improve the game while respecting the history and tradition of the game. “After seeing the Ref Cam system at work, we now view the system as a tremendous enhancement to the broadcast as well as a device for the referees,” says Nelson Rodriguez, Executive Vice President of Competition, Technical, and Game Operations for Major League Soccer.
 
As BSI General Manager, Peter Larsson explains, “The concept behind the Ref Cam is to get the viewer as close as possible to the action on the playing surface and provide distinctive angles and a different feel for the game.”
 
The Ref Cam features 1080i HD resolution and full remote control capability, including iris and paint functions allowing the video operator to adjust color balance, saturation, black level, detail and iris live during the game depending on the shot. High quality images from the camera can be incorporated in real time into a live broadcast production, giving viewers a first person view of what the referee sees during the game. The camera is small, with dimensions of 1.75 inches high by 1.125 inches wide by 3.5 inches long, and lightweight, weighing in at 3.77 ounces. The components are mounted on the referee using a customized vest and head strap and the system takes less than two minutes to set up. It can be adjusted in numerous ways to suit the needs of the production team and maximize the comfort of the wearer. The system sends and receives its signal via radio frequency (RF) technology that is built into a wireless transmitter, which is also worn on the body.


I think this would be excellent, and the chance to see (and better yet hear) the game from the referee view would be a great addition to a broadcast.  It would help people understand the referee's view of the game, but it would also be detrimental to a referee if the ref cam captured a view of an incident and the referee missed it/didn't react to it.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ishmael on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:54:24 pm
Good turn out.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 10 November 2013, 02:02:48 pm
Foy is gutted, did his absolute best to get a point to Spurs :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Sunday 10 November 2013, 02:03:17 pm
Foy was absolutely, 100% w***. The only thing he did right was ignore their desperate bleating for handballs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 10 November 2013, 02:03:45 pm
If Cattermole's red last weekend was a red, then Dawson's tackle on choclatemoussa is as well.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Big Geordie on Sunday 10 November 2013, 02:05:28 pm
He was f***ing awful today. Did his best to try and help Spurs. Shocking stuff.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheHoob on Sunday 10 November 2013, 02:09:05 pm
thought he wasn't too bad in the first half, about as bad as you can get in the second. if that was at our place Dawson would have gotten a red too, terrible tackle.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 10 November 2013, 02:10:37 pm
A disgusting performance today, utterly disgusting, how referee's still get to officiate games after performances like today is beyond me.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 10 November 2013, 03:17:19 pm
I hate to agree with anyone, but I leapt up immediately and yelled "RED!" after Dawson's attack. Just seen Larsson's as well and that's even worse tbh. He'd better get a retrospective ban. Foy was abysmal today, breaking up play every time we won the ball, letting them take FKs from wherever they wanted, whether the ball was moving or not, warning us for wasting time - I have never seen that happen when we're chasing the game, ever. Literally never in over 40 years. It's playing 11 v 16 every game. :lol: can't believe I'm so angry after we've won. Against all odds, again.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 10 November 2013, 03:23:52 pm
There was a little spell where they got absolutely everything, peaking with that throw in that the linesman 'changed his mind' about after Townsend screamed at him.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 10 November 2013, 03:30:22 pm
There was a little spell where they got absolutely everything, peaking with that throw in that the linesman 'changed his mind' about after Townsend screamed at him.
Aye, that was awful.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 10 November 2013, 04:36:30 pm
Was awful today. He's really gone downhill since the Olympics.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 10 November 2013, 04:41:12 pm
:lol: Ffs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 10 November 2013, 10:59:12 pm
Two abysmal decisions against Swansea, really, really bad! :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Scoreboard82 on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 12:51:59 am
There was a little spell where they got absolutely everything, peaking with that throw in that the linesman 'changed his mind' about after Townsend screamed at him.
was that linesman Lee Probert, who overruled his linesman v the mackems, leading up to their unjust winner? Growing to dislike this man a lot if so.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: lebowski on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 06:45:41 am
I hate to agree with anyone, but I leapt up immediately and yelled "RED!" after Dawson's attack. Just seen Larsson's as well and that's even worse tbh. He'd better get a retrospective ban. Foy was abysmal today, breaking up play every time we won the ball, letting them take FKs from wherever they wanted, whether the ball was moving or not, warning us for wasting time - I have never seen that happen when we're chasing the game, ever. Literally never in over 40 years. It's playing 11 v 16 every game. :lol: can't believe I'm so angry after we've won. Against all odds, again.
couldn't agree more. After watching the match again Dawson's tackle was worse than I even thought originally. I know if that had been Tiote or any of our players that would correctly have been awarded a red. Is this the sort of thing the FA Iis going to look at retrospectively now? It makes a mockery of the rule that saw Mbiwa sent off for really the lightest of touches on that diving cheating gobshite from Liverpool.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 06:59:51 am
Forget about the FA ever getting it right. After the Haidara incident last season, the 'improvement' in the process was that there must be a unanimous decision from the now 3 people reviewing any process. And that they still can't intervene if any of the match officials have seen the incident, partly or in full, which was the issue in the first place.

Unless it suits their own agenda for example, say your name is Suarez. Then they'll come up with a different set of rules.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 07:21:34 am
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Former referees will form panel to review decisions as part of Premier League pilot scheme
The Premier League pilot scheme allowing former referees to sit in judgment on certain incidents not seen by match officials has been given the green light for this season.


Telegraph Sport revealed back in May that English football’s stakeholders had agreed to trial the use of a three-strong panel of ex-referees as part of the process by which retrospective action is taken against players.

A season-long pilot has now been sanctioned by the Football Regulatory Authority and will begin on the first day of the Premier League campaign on August 17.

The panel will be made up of three permanent members, each of them an as-yet-unnamed former referee who will be on standby to review video footage of incidents such as Callum McManaman’s horror tackle on Massadio Haidara last season.

The review is able to be conducted via video link between the FA’s disciplinary department and each member of the panel, the verdict of which will determine whether further disciplinary action is taken.

Until this season, match referees were asked to re-examine their own decisions using video evidence, and it is understood they welcome the pressure on them to do so being lifted.

For the panel to be convened, a referee must still confirm he did not see the incident under review at the time it took place, while his assistants must be considered not to have been in a position to make the right call on his behalf.

The latter represents a slight tweak to the previous rule where all officials had to have no view whatsoever of an incident in order for the FA to begin disciplinary proceedings using video evidence.


The change was made in order to prevent a repeat of the circumstances which stopped it banning McManaman last season after assistant referee Matthew Wilkes testified he had seen a “coming together” of the Wigan Athletic winger and Newcastle United defender Haidara.

The new panel is expected to convene on a Monday for weekend games and the day after any midweek match if it contains an incident which requires its attention.

It is a Premier League-only pilot, with the Football League monitoring developments, having previously stated any change to rules governing retrospective action could see referees tempted to shirk big decisions if they knew players would be punished by a panel days later.

It was also concerned about the authority of officials being undermined and countless games being re-refereed.

Nevertheless, the pilot and retrospective-action rule tweak represent a significant step forward a year after the game’s stakeholders – which also includes the Professional Footballers’ Association, League Managers Association and Professional Game Match Officials Ltd – were unable to reach agreement over changes to the FA’s disciplinary process.

Some will see the breakthrough as having not gone far enough, with many instances of violent conduct still set to remain unpunished if match officials make the wrong call on incidents they have clear sight of.

One such example would be the ugly clash between Sergio Agüero and David Luiz during Manchester City’s FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea in April.

A tangle between the players saw Luiz use his elbow to ward off City striker Agüero, who reacted by kicking out at the Chelsea defender.

A free-kick was awarded at the time, with the officials appearing not to appreciate the severity of the confrontation.

May’s stakeholders meeting also decided against introducing some form of retrospective action for diving, although that stance could change next summer if a scheme to eradicate it piloted by the Scottish Football Association proves to be successful.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10227504/Former-referees-will-form-panel-to-review-decisions-as-part-of-Premier-League-pilot-scheme.html

'...while his assistants must be considered not to have been in a position to make the right call on his behalf' which is ambiguous and open to various interpretations. Didn't someone also mention that in some cases the ref does not want his assistants to intervene outside of offside calls?

How they react to further punishment for diving even with the recent spate of diving incidents is anyone's guess. Presumably they will do sweet FA as they did to Suarez and Bale in the previous seasons.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: lebowski on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 07:47:49 am
Wow. I hadn't picked up on that. This is pretty toothless, it wouldn't have even changed things in the Ben Arfa DeJong incident. It also seems unnecessary, most people are happy to accept that referees are going to make mistakes, it would be better to have the officials as part of the review process. I think dangerous play should be treated more seriously than diving or handball decisions. That said if they deducted points for diving it would fairly much stop overnight, currently there is too much reward for going down easy in the box.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: merlin on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 08:29:23 am
I hate to agree with anyone, but I leapt up immediately and yelled "RED!" after Dawson's attack. Just seen Larsson's as well and that's even worse tbh. He'd better get a retrospective ban. Foy was abysmal today, breaking up play every time we won the ball, letting them take FKs from wherever they wanted, whether the ball was moving or not, warning us for wasting time - I have never seen that happen when we're chasing the game, ever. Literally never in over 40 years. It's playing 11 v 16 every game. :lol: can't believe I'm so angry after we've won. Against all odds, again.
couldn't agree more. After watching the match again Dawson's tackle was worse than I even thought originally. I know if that had been Tiote or any of our players that would correctly have been awarded a red. Is this the sort of thing the FA Iis going to look at retrospectively now? It makes a mockery of the rule that saw Mbiwa sent off for really the lightest of touches on that diving cheating gobshite from Liverpool.

Tiote got a red for a far less potentially crippling tackle at the SOS last season....Refs give NUFC very little in this day and age. What about the infamous McManaman 'tackle'(spell that a-s-s-a-u-l-t)
on Haidara at Wigan last season.......? Almost unbelievable that no card given.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jollof rice and pea on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 09:04:22 am
Fans of every club think they get nothing from refs (possibly except Chelsea)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Groo on Tuesday 12 November 2013, 05:11:17 pm
Who is this ref Robert Madley who reffed our game against Stoke this week, the consensus of our fans is simply he's totally inept or corrupt, no other explanation, he spent the final minutes trying his best to get Stoke a goal.

As someone on one of our messageboards wrote:

" Last seven minutes.

1. Their keeper and Routs have a ding dong, keeper lays hands on him, Stoke get a free kick.
2. Big old ball scramble in front of dug outs, drop ball ? Stoke get a free kick.
3. Bony wins a clean header on half way line, Stoke get a free kick.
4. Ball is charged down by swans defender Rangel, out on the right, Stoke get a free kick.
5. They get a corner off Canias from that free kick. Its retaken after Bony cleared fairly.
Stoke get an advantage.
6. Stoke fail to take the advantage from retaken corner and get a penalty.
Which nobody saw."

The most bizarre reffing ever.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Wednesday 13 November 2013, 01:42:41 am
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Robert "Bobby" Madley (born 6 October 1985, age 28) is an English professional football referee who was promoted in 2013 to the list of Select Group Referees who officiate primarily in the Premier League.

He has officiated in the Football League as a referee since 2010 and is one of the youngest officials to progress to the top-flight of English football. Madley is one of the referee development officers for the West Riding County Football Association. He has also been a fifth official for FIFA since 2012.

Young chap, but not the youngest to ref in the PL. Stuart Attwell holds the distinction.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 30 November 2013, 08:49:49 pm
Dowd was f***ing absymal tonight. The game ended with perhaps the worst decision of the lot.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: SiLvOR on Saturday 30 November 2013, 08:51:23 pm
He's so f***ing fat and s***, he honestly has one of the most punchable faces on telly.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Saturday 30 November 2013, 09:13:40 pm
Dowd was f***ing absymal tonight. The game ended with perhaps the worst decision of the lot.

Was just going to post this. He was shocking, thankfully it didn't cost us 2 points but he was just awful for both sides. His interpretation of the advantage rule needs to be questioned by his boss. Fouls given for us weren't for them and vice versa, he wasn't biased he was just complete pigshit.

Worst performance on the park including the 22 players.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Karjala on Saturday 30 November 2013, 09:18:12 pm
How can a professional referee be so obviously unfit? he must have 6-8kg of excess fat on him. Anyone got a screengrab of him from the match? seriously, he should not be allowed to ref PL.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: nazza06 on Saturday 30 November 2013, 09:18:44 pm
I wonder if referees review and reflect on their performances or just go home after the game adamant that they made all the correct decisions. Phil Dowd is so smug that he must certainly be in the latter category.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: SiLvOR on Saturday 30 November 2013, 09:23:14 pm
I'm not being funny but whenever I think of a bad referee, he is the one I instantly think of. Can't remember him ever having a quiet game where he's officiated it without incident.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dr. Nguyen Van Falk on Saturday 30 November 2013, 09:24:34 pm
he wasn't biased he was just complete pigshit.



In a nutshell. The standard of Ref's in this league is a f***ing joke and it's about time something was done about it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 30 November 2013, 09:25:49 pm
Some of these referee's have been in the game longer than most players. They are stuck in their ways, having a panel of retired referee's who are also stuck in their ways viewing them is no good. The Premier League (and FA) need new younger referees. We need the guy who watches a football match and knows whats a bad tackle and whats a dive refereeing matches, not referee's who determine what is and isn't a foul by who it will give an advantage or disadvantage too.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 30 November 2013, 10:41:04 pm
Fans in disagreement with referee decision shocker
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 30 November 2013, 10:44:05 pm

I wonder if referees review and reflect on their performances or just go home after the game adamant that they made all the correct decisions. Phil Dowd is so smug that he must certainly be in the latter category.

And yes, referees do go home and wonder how to manage games better next time. They wonder if they got the calls right and regret the ones that they got wrong (in hind sight or on slow-mo ten angle replay).
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Saturday 30 November 2013, 10:52:50 pm
How can a professional referee be so obviously unfit? he must have 6-8kg of excess fat on him. Anyone got a screengrab of him from the match? seriously, he should not be allowed to ref PL.

Dowd has lost 2 stone over the summer

Before

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/02/article-2383646-1B18F170000005DC-386_306x476.jpg)

After

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/02/article-2383646-1B18EAC4000005DC-589_306x476.jpg)

All referees have to pass a strict fitness test before the season starts to be able to referee (think Dowd failed a few years ago and wasn't able to ref until he passed which he did a few months later)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 30 November 2013, 10:54:42 pm
There's been quite a few blatant penalties not given to us this season, but for some reason they almost always have come in games we have won.

Doesn't excuse the incompetence of the referee's in question though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cronky on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:02:24 pm
He got the Remy one wrong but it was a difficult spot. You can't expect a referee to see everything.

As for the one at the end, most of the time, refs will give a pen, but I tend to think the benefit of the doubt should go to the defender.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:04:49 pm
Incompetence would be not having the right mechanics or not having the right restarts.

Arguing about judgement calls is pointless.  (I actually thought that the Remy incident was a foul, and the late handling was a penalty) but I understand why the referee thought otherwise
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:05:11 pm
Remy one is interesting. It's almost impossible to spot in real time, unless he takes the dive as compelling evidence.

I don't think the handball was a pen, it wasn't deliberate IMO. I don't know if there's anything in the laws about position of the arms like pundits always waffle on about.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:06:53 pm
Remy one is interesting. It's almost impossible to spot in real time, unless he takes the dive as compelling evidence.

I don't think the handball was a pen, it wasn't deliberate IMO. I don't know if there's anything in the laws about position of the arms like pundits always waffle on about.
iirc the only thing in the rules is deliberate or not and thats where the arm thing comes in, if its by your side and it hits your hand/arm its obviously not intentional and a complete accident but when they're out like the wba player had them then its much more difficult
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:07:53 pm
Remy one is interesting. It's almost impossible to spot in real time, unless he takes the dive as compelling evidence.

I don't think the handball was a pen, it wasn't deliberate IMO. I don't know if there's anything in the laws about position of the arms like pundits always waffle on about.

If you go to block an obviously incoming shot with your arm stretched out perpendicular to your body and the ball hits it, I don't think you can complain if the ref gives a penalty.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Slippery Sam on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:08:57 pm
There's been quite a few blatant penalties not given to us this season, but for some reason they almost always have come in games we have won.

Doesn't excuse the incompetence of the referee's in question though.

I've thought for a long time that some referees come to SJP with the mindset of "don't let the crowd intimidate/influence your decisions" and sometimes get some really straightforward decisions (for us in particular) wrong.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:13:01 pm
Remy one is interesting. It's almost impossible to spot in real time, unless he takes the dive as compelling evidence.

I don't think the handball was a pen, it wasn't deliberate IMO. I don't know if there's anything in the laws about position of the arms like pundits always waffle on about.

If you go to block an obviously incoming shot with your arm stretched out perpendicular to your body and the ball hits it, I don't think you can complain if the ref gives a penalty.

Dunno TBH, I would only give it where the guy actually handles it on purpose. Obviously it's hard to know for sure, and harder in the instances where the arm is up. I just think it's annoying that the debate is usually in the wrong terms.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:14:17 pm
Remy one is interesting. It's almost impossible to spot in real time, unless he takes the dive as compelling evidence.

I don't think the handball was a pen, it wasn't deliberate IMO. I don't know if there's anything in the laws about position of the arms like pundits always waffle on about.

If you go to block an obviously incoming shot with your arm stretched out perpendicular to your body and the ball hits it, I don't think you can complain if the ref gives a penalty.

Dunno TBH, I would only give it where the guy actually handles it on purpose. Obviously it's hard to know for sure, and harder in the instances where the arm is up. I just think it's annoying that the debate is usually in the wrong terms.

Sure they altered the wording of the rule recently. Should have been a pen imo.
Title: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:14:27 pm
The LOTG are very simple..... Deliberately handling the ball is a foul but that means that the referee has to determine intent. So the Advice to Referees documents at published to cover these types of scenarios, and they do talk about the arms being in unnatural positions or defenders extending their arms to make themselves bigger.

In this instance the issue was whether the defender was protecting himself or not (With a smattering of close proximity not providing a chance to avoid the ball).

I would want to call this deliberate handling in my games as the player chose to block the ball in such a way that he had to protect himself from the ball.....ergo deliberate handling.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:14:32 pm
Actually it looks like a pen on MOTD.

Edit: and thanks Texas, interesting.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:14:55 pm
Actually it looks like a pen on MOTD.

No s***. :laugh: His arm is almost above his head it's that far up.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Saturday 30 November 2013, 11:15:03 pm
'ANDBAW
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: maybe_next_year on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 09:55:47 pm
Two shocking examples of  refereeing in our last two games.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 09:56:54 pm
Two legit-ish pen shouts turned down, a non-red card, and then the c*** who should be off scores another goal.

Cheers Howard. We contribute enough to our own downfall without that anarl :thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 09:58:10 pm
Did Webb and Pardew have a bet before the game who can be the most s*** on the night?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: mattypnufc on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 09:58:41 pm
Two shocking examples of  refereeing in our last two games.

Three.

Oh and the game against Norwich! one of their players fouled Sissokho when we was clean through near the end. Oh and Cisse's offside goal that wasn't, Oh and the Dawson tackle on Sissokho too.

Come to think of it, we've had f*** all off the officials so far this season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: basjen on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 09:59:17 pm
Performed just a little better than Obertan
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 09:59:19 pm
Webb's always been absolutely s****. Still remember the penalty he gave for us against the mackems when Taylor fell to the floor  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tachikoma on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:00:17 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:01:25 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.
Aye, but that situation only happened because Webb bottled the penalty decision. Two wrongs etc...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:06:28 pm
Exactly why is he so highly regarded? I rarely feel the need to comment on refs, but in my experience of him reffing us, he's consistently the worst out there.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:10:28 pm
Sick of this "it was too close to his hand" rubbish. If the handball changes the ball's direction, and the hand is away from the body, it's a f***ing pen, no matter how far out the shot comes in from, and no matter how little time the defender had to react.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:22:46 pm
I think I heard the other day that we are the only team in the Premiership not to have been awarded a penalty this season. We've had quite a few that should have been given as penalties but our friends, the match officials, have decided otherwise.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:36:09 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:44:57 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:46:02 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:53:07 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:55:43 pm
The handball was a stonewaller like. b****** saved it.

How that bald creep was trusted with a WC Final man.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 10:59:18 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

The linesman was 10 yards from it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 11:04:26 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

The linesman was 10 yards from it.

Exactly....and why it's a disgrace it was missed.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 11:12:55 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

The linesman was 10 yards from it.

As well as four of our own players. If neither they, nor anyone else, spotted it, is it too much of a surprise that the linesman missed it too? It only seemed to graze his arm.

Officials aren't blessed with superhuman powers, or slow-motion replays from a variety of angles.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 11:15:55 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

The linesman was 10 yards from it.

As well as four of our own players. If neither they, nor anyone else, spotted it, is it too much of a surprise that the linesman missed it too? It only seemed to graze his arm.

Officials aren't blessed with superhuman powers, or slow-motion replays from a variety of angles.

Well an official ten yards directly behind a ball with a clear view of the Swansea CB raising both hands above his head deflecting the ball as it was crossed. Yeah i can see why he didn't spot it.

And fwiw the player who crossed it (gouff) appealed immediately.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 11:38:25 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

The linesman was 10 yards from it.

As well as four of our own players. If neither they, nor anyone else, spotted it, is it too much of a surprise that the linesman missed it too? It only seemed to graze his arm.

Officials aren't blessed with superhuman powers, or slow-motion replays from a variety of angles.

Well an official ten yards directly behind a ball with a clear view of the Swansea CB raising both hands above his head deflecting the ball as it was crossed. Yeah i can see why he didn't spot it.

And fwiw the player who crossed it (gouff) appealed immediately.

It didn't look like much of an appeal to me, but in any case, you're deliberately avoiding the point. You can only call a decision 'scandalous' or a 'disgrace' if it's blatant and the official has a clear view. That cannot be described as blatant.
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Post by: Sifu on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:00:26 am
We all knew Webb was going to have a rather s*** game. One of the worst refs in the league imho and that is saying something.
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Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:02:20 am
I still don't understand why Webb is so highly rated within football, absolutely awful ref.
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Post by: joeyt on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:02:54 am
But but but, he talks to the players!1!
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Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:03:27 am
Didn't realise you had to appeal to get a decision given.
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Post by: newsted on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:06:58 am
Aye, it's just not cricket.
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Post by: bimpy474 on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:55:30 am
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

The linesman was 10 yards from it.

As well as four of our own players. If neither they, nor anyone else, spotted it, is it too much of a surprise that the linesman missed it too? It only seemed to graze his arm.

Officials aren't blessed with superhuman powers, or slow-motion replays from a variety of angles.

Well an official ten yards directly behind a ball with a clear view of the Swansea CB raising both hands above his head deflecting the ball as it was crossed. Yeah i can see why he didn't spot it.

And fwiw the player who crossed it (gouff) appealed immediately.

It didn't look like much of an appeal to me, but in any case, you're deliberately avoiding the point. You can only call a decision 'scandalous' or a 'disgrace' if it's blatant and the official has a clear view. That cannot be described as blatant.

How can it not be blatant (a blatant pen, a blatant wrong decision), take your pick,  if he has a clear view from ten yards away, and the player he is looking at has his hands above his head, and that player deflects the cross with those raised hands. It's blatantly wrong......avoiding what question by the way, wasn't aware you asked one.

Are you blind to what you saw ?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: matta on Thursday 5 December 2013, 05:58:33 am
Webb was the difference between points for us or not if he had the balls to actually make some crucial decisions. Should be degraded after yesterdays game. Joke of a ref.
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Post by: Benwell Lad on Thursday 5 December 2013, 07:55:23 am
It is one of football's great mysteries how the white Uriah Rennie that is Webb manages to con enough people into believing that he is a top referee.
Following hard on the heels of a thoroughly incompetent display from an unfit looking Phil Dowd on Saturday it is embarrassing that the supposed "world's greatest league" has these guys in charge of matches.
I recently watched a Bundesliga match and once again was really impressed with the standard of officiating. The ref looked strong and fit for a start, and managed to remain in complete control making all the big decisions quickly and correctly.
As we have now reached the stage where most of the managers and players come from abroad maybe we should start recruiting some competent officials from foreign leagues.
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Post by: John P on Thursday 5 December 2013, 08:30:52 am
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

Quite a few players appealed for it, all of our players who were within 20 yards or so of it in fact
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Post by: Haris Vuckic on Thursday 5 December 2013, 08:56:19 am
If it didn't hit his arm it was hitting the back of the net.

His arm was outstretched so it's a penalty. Every single time.

Also Williams blocked a cross with both hands - Penalty. The push on Gouffran - you seen them given but realistically I wouldn't give it.
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Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 5 December 2013, 09:31:43 am
Webb does have history for missing blatant hand-balls as well.
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Post by: icemanblue on Thursday 5 December 2013, 09:33:19 am
Incredibly hard to stomach, when a non-playing individual has such a massive effect on the result. You look at the replays and think, 'how'? How hasn't he seen it? How has he not given the penalty, if he has seen it?

Nothing will be said, or done, about it. It's a routine win for a home side, on an evening of higher profile games. Sickener.
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Post by: Lotus on Thursday 5 December 2013, 09:40:09 am
Handball should have been a pen.

Ref was wrong side to see the push.
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Post by: BrettNUFC on Thursday 5 December 2013, 09:46:18 am
Wonder what Tron's view is? He thought Cabaye's on Saturday was ball to hand, similar handball last night but it's easier to brush off a refereeing decision when winning than it is when getting beat.
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Post by: Haris Vuckic on Thursday 5 December 2013, 10:40:03 am
Both were penalties for me. 'Ball to hand' or not.

We've conceded plenty of them.
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Post by: Incognito on Thursday 5 December 2013, 11:36:45 am
Both were penalties for me. 'Ball to hand' or not.

We've conceded plenty of them.

Anyone think we've suffered for that horrendous pen Stoke got there a few weeks ago.?
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Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:01:34 pm
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Which refs dish out the most cards - and to which teams?

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/premier-league-stats-referees-dish-6369263
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Post by: Belfast Boy on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:06:32 pm
Any talk of Shelvey being done by video for the "headbutt"? He more or less admitted it in the post match interview, laughingly claiming Debuchy moved towards him and he was just trying to move out the way. Usual let off is that ref dealt with it but surely not in this case.
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Post by: Cronky on Thursday 5 December 2013, 12:55:27 pm
In fairness, Debuchy could have been sent off as well.

I thought he made the right decision with a yellow. Many refs would have succumbed to pressure from the crowd and given a red.

The two penalty claims were both a bit marginal. Some you get, some you don't. It wasn't much of a push, and those handballs where a shot gets blocked can go either way.

The only really poor decision was the Shelvey head-butt. I can only assume he didn't see it.

Williams was a blatant handball, arms were all over the place.

Both arms above his head, just scandalous it wasn't given.

That one was a tough spot, in real time. I don't think anyone noticed it until the TV replays after the game, did they? I didn't see any appeals from the players.

The linesman was 10 yards from it.

As well as four of our own players. If neither they, nor anyone else, spotted it, is it too much of a surprise that the linesman missed it too? It only seemed to graze his arm.

Officials aren't blessed with superhuman powers, or slow-motion replays from a variety of angles.

Well an official ten yards directly behind a ball with a clear view of the Swansea CB raising both hands above his head deflecting the ball as it was crossed. Yeah i can see why he didn't spot it.

And fwiw the player who crossed it (gouff) appealed immediately.

It didn't look like much of an appeal to me, but in any case, you're deliberately avoiding the point. You can only call a decision 'scandalous' or a 'disgrace' if it's blatant and the official has a clear view. That cannot be described as blatant.

How can it not be blatant (a blatant pen, a blatant wrong decision), take your pick,  if he has a clear view from ten yards away, and the player he is looking at has his hands above his head, and that player deflects the cross with those raised hands. It's blatantly wrong......avoiding what question by the way, wasn't aware you asked one.

Are you blind to what you saw ?

I'm not sure there's much more I can add here. I can remember getting into similar arguments when Mark Halsey didn't send McManaman off last year.

For me, there is a huge difference between making a quick decision, in real time, from an often imperfect viewpoint and with the right degree of certainty (which is what officials have to do) and making a decision made at leisure after the event, based on a slow motion replay, with a camera with a zoom lens at the best possible angle (which is what we can do in our living rooms). If, with that sort of hindsight, a decision is shown to be wrong, it doesn't follow that the official is incompetent.

I am far more often surprised at how often Premiership officials get their decisions right, rather than wrong. It really is not an easy job.
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Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:24:49 pm
Quote
Which refs dish out the most cards - and to which teams?

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/premier-league-stats-referees-dish-6369263

That would be decent if it was for more than just last season. Using just one season is pointless, really.
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Post by: heero on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:30:38 pm
Both were penalties for me. 'Ball to hand' or not.

We've conceded plenty of them.
yep, and we got screwed, we'll win at manure
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Post by: themanupstairs on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:34:09 pm
Both were penalties for me. 'Ball to hand' or not.

We've conceded plenty of them.

For me this should be a non issue in football. It should have nothing to do with the handball being deliberate or not. Hardly any handball is deliberate in the way that Suarez blocked the ball on the line in the world cup.

It's very simple. A hand or arm that isn't in-line with the body, and is stretched out, blocking the path of the ball, hence changing it's intended trajectory or direction is handball. Penalty, or foul if outside the box. Simple. The distance of the shot away from the hand is irrelevant. If it happens, then tough. Part of football. I'd accept conceding such penalties if it meant that this becomes a consistent way to judge them.
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Post by: Haris Vuckic on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:36:18 pm
Exactly. You see plenty defenders with their hands to their body or behind backs, so why should some get away with it?

Especially when like last night - there's two incidents in one phase of play and one of them was on it's way into the back of the net!
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Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:41:17 pm
The way that these things work, we're probably likely to get a pretty soft penalty in the next few games, because of this. It's not how it should work like, it's f***ing mental.
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Post by: Fenham Mag on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:43:21 pm
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/newcastle-united/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_762_615.html

Kevin Friend, one of us.
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Post by: Rangers Pack on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:49:11 pm
The way that these things work, we're probably likely to get a pretty soft penalty in the next few games, because of this. It's not how it should work like, it's f***ing mental.

Ball to hand is total bollocks, if the ball hits the hand in the box with the hand away from the body it should be a penalty, some will be given and be considered "harsh" undoubtedly but it'd remove a lot of the uncertainty.
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Post by: Exiled in Texas on Thursday 5 December 2013, 02:57:31 pm
I recently watched a Bundesliga match and once again was really impressed with the standard of officiating.

Not picking on Benwell Lad, but Referees always look better when they are not refereeing your team. Objectivity goes out the window when your team is involved.
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Post by: Dave on Thursday 5 December 2013, 03:03:11 pm
Exactly. You see plenty defenders with their hands to their body or behind backs, so why should some get away with it?

Especially when like last night - there's two incidents in one phase of play and one of them was on it's way into the back of the net!

Colo for their first goal last night being one example. Should have tried spreading his arms out based on the Remy incident.
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Post by: Ian W on Thursday 5 December 2013, 03:29:31 pm
The way that these things work, we're probably likely to get a pretty soft penalty in the next few games, because of this. It's not how it should work like, it's f***ing mental.

Ball to hand is total bollocks, if the ball hits the hand in the box with the hand away from the body it should be a penalty, some will be given and be considered "harsh" undoubtedly but it'd remove a lot of the uncertainty.

So hitting a defender on the hand is essentially as good as scoring a goal?
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Post by: ScottishMagpie on Thursday 5 December 2013, 03:29:41 pm
We'll probably get a soft penalty awarded to us in the last few mins against man u when we're down 3-0 and that will be counted as things 'evening themselves out'.  bollocks!
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Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 5 December 2013, 03:59:45 pm
The rule is deliberate handball.  Blatantly obvious both were last night imo.
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Post by: Rangers Pack on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:02:24 pm
The way that these things work, we're probably likely to get a pretty soft penalty in the next few games, because of this. It's not how it should work like, it's f***ing mental.

Ball to hand is total bollocks, if the ball hits the hand in the box with the hand away from the body it should be a penalty, some will be given and be considered "harsh" undoubtedly but it'd remove a lot of the uncertainty.

So hitting a defender on the hand is essentially as good as scoring a goal?

I probably should have said "arm" and it's not as good as a goal but it should be a penalty IMO, as was said above if some defenders are tucking their hands/arms behind them (and that will restrict movement somewhat) why should those flailing around get away with it ???
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Post by: Skirge on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:02:47 pm
Both hadballs and Williams shoves denied goal scoring opportunities so therefore we also red cards.
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Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:03:33 pm
Both hadballs and Williams shoves denied goal scoring opportunities so therefore we also red cards.

Only the remy hand-ball was a red card offence, others no-where near ffs.
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Post by: Skirge on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:04:32 pm
Both hadballs and Williams shoves denied goal scoring opportunities so therefore we also red cards.

Only the remy hand-ball was a red card offence, others no-where near ffs.
Aye the Remy handball but the shoves in the back both denied a goal scoring chance
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Post by: Rangers Pack on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:06:16 pm
The rule is deliberate handball.  Blatantly obvious both were last night imo.

But that's the problem only the person handling it knows if it was deliberate or not, they should take the need for "interpretation (aka guessing) away. If it's a handball it's a handball. Outside the box they give nearly them all, should do the same in the box. It's ridiculous.
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Post by: Ian W on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:11:15 pm
It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.
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Post by: Skirge on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:13:25 pm
Distance between the two is key, they need a ruling on how far away an opponent can be before its classed as them not being able to avoid the ball. Remy was a good distance away and he moved to block the ball it hit his arm deffo a pen.
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Post by: themanupstairs on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:20:13 pm
It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.

Not when the judgement is poor more often than not, because the guidelines are f***ing sketchy. "Deliberate"? What the f*** is that? So the ref is meant to analyze the offending player's psyche and be inside his mind to know if it was deliberate or not? And yes, it should be ok if a player is accurate enough and can think fast enough to aim the ball at an opponent's outstretched hand or arm, that they are awarded a penalty.

At the end of the day, this is what football is. Playing a ball with your feet. Not your hands. It's a pretty simplistic view, but this is how you are taught what football is when you are a bairn, and the first thing you are told is that you can't handle the ball unless you're a keeper.

Remy's shot last night was goal bound, almost certainly. An outstretched arm blocked it, and prevented it from hitting the target. 100% penalty, without the ref needing to judge anything if he's seen it. Simple as that.
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Post by: Rangers Pack on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:30:26 pm
It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.

No you wouldn't, half the f***ers can't accurately pass a ball to a 6ft+ striker let alone hit an arm on purpose. Even if they did try, the defenders would sharp be whipping/keeping their arms out of the way which would make anyone trying it look bloody stupid.

As much judgement (i.e. guessing) that can be taken out of the game the better IMO.

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Post by: themanupstairs on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:34:26 pm
It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.

No you wouldn't, half the f***ers can't accurately pass a ball to a 6ft+ striker let alone hit an arm on purpose. Even if they did try, the defenders would sharp be whipping/keeping their arms out of the way which would make anyone trying it look bloody stupid.

As much judgement (i.e. guessing) that can be taken out of the game the better IMO.

Absolutely right. In the heat of the game, I doubt many would have the skill and presence of mind to try it often enough. The crux of the matter for me though, is whether or not the handball changed the intended direction of the ball. If the hand is outstretched in front of the body for example, it shouldn't be considered handball. If you're blocking your face, bollocks, abdomen from a shot, that's not handball obviously. The presence of the hand hasn't changed the outcome of the ball getting blocked.
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Post by: Cronky on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:41:43 pm
In practice, I don't think many defenders do attempt to block shots with their arms behind their back. Obviously it's very difficult to move quickly that way.

I'd agree with Ian, in that I wouldn't want to see a penalty or free kick every time the ball hits the hand / arm. There really is such thing as accidental handball, though I admit there's a large grey area.

I'm not sure what the official referrees' guidance says in this kind of ball-to-hand situation, but my feeling is that if the ref feels that a defender has used his arms to spread himself and make a bigger barrier, then that's a foul. If his arm is in a natural position given his movement, then that's no foul.

Obviously if there's a deliberate movement of hand to ball, that's a foul.
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Post by: Skirge on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:46:36 pm
If you keep your arm still but move your body and ball hits your arm then that should still be a pen.
He turned into the ball, yes his arm was still but it moved with his body and the ball then hit his arm, had his arm been behind his back he would not have blocked the shot.
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Post by: bimpy474 on Thursday 5 December 2013, 04:57:15 pm
Take away deliberate and accidental and replace them with 'gaining an advantage'.

The ref decides if by handling the ball accidental or not whether the players team gained an advantage, if so you awarded the penalty or free kick. If in the opinion of the ref it was accidental it's not a card, if the ref thinks it was deliberate then he gives a yellow, red if stopping a goal scoring chance.

The best and easiest way to do it, as thought up by me  :snod:
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Post by: Benwell Lad on Thursday 5 December 2013, 05:06:25 pm
I recently watched a Bundesliga match and once again was really impressed with the standard of officiating.

Not picking on Benwell Lad, but Referees always look better when they are not refereeing your team. Objectivity goes out the window when your team is involved.

Yeah I agree, that is true  :)
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Post by: JH on Thursday 5 December 2013, 06:56:19 pm
It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.

No you wouldn't, half the f***ers can't accurately pass a ball to a 6ft+ striker let alone hit an arm on purpose. Even if they did try, the defenders would sharp be whipping/keeping their arms out of the way which would make anyone trying it look bloody stupid.

As much judgement (i.e. guessing) that can be taken out of the game the better IMO.

Absolutely right. In the heat of the game, I doubt many would have the skill and presence of mind to try it often enough. The crux of the matter for me though, is whether or not the handball changed the intended direction of the ball. If the hand is outstretched in front of the body for example, it shouldn't be considered handball. If you're blocking your face, bollocks, abdomen from a shot, that's not handball obviously. The presence of the hand hasn't changed the outcome of the ball getting blocked.

Aye. The lad last night practically volleyed the f***ing ball.
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Post by: Dave on Thursday 5 December 2013, 08:35:27 pm
It would be crazy though if smashing the ball against an opponent's arm was as good as winning a penalty. You would have players aiming for their opponents instead of the goal.

Defenders tucking their arms in and moving unnaturally is a stupid aspect of modern football IMO. Just leave it to the ref to judge whether it was deliberate or not. Obviously judgement is involved, but judgement is involved in almost every decision in football.

No you wouldn't, half the f***ers can't accurately pass a ball to a 6ft+ striker let alone hit an arm on purpose. Even if they did try, the defenders would sharp be whipping/keeping their arms out of the way which would make anyone trying it look bloody stupid.

As much judgement (i.e. guessing) that can be taken out of the game the better IMO.



Exactly. Aiming for their arms ffs, it's easier to just score. :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Friday 6 December 2013, 11:12:41 am
I would say that at least 50% of penalties for handball shouldn't be given. Giving too many is much more of a problem than the ones that go missing IMO.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: CPL on Saturday 7 December 2013, 03:06:32 pm
Fair play to the lines women for making the correct offside for their goal today.
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Post by: Minhosa on Saturday 7 December 2013, 03:08:38 pm
Fair play to the lines women for making the correct offside for their goal today.

Yep, she showed some big balls with that call, under that pressure. Big shout. Good on her.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 7 December 2013, 06:05:52 pm
So all those who wanted automatic penalties for handballs in the box still of that opinion?   

Blatant handball by Anita holding his arm behind his body while he tried to chest the ball clear and ball bounces back onto his arm. Blatant penna. Ref had a complete shitter today. Ruined a good game and changed the title race. Really time for replay to get these decision right and stop ruining football!!!   [/sarcasm]
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Post by: Pilko on Saturday 7 December 2013, 06:07:25 pm
Well, at least we got a consistent decision - both not given, one for and one against.
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Post by: joeyt on Saturday 7 December 2013, 06:38:44 pm
Fair play to the lines women for making the correct offside for their goal today.

I don;t think I've ever seen her get a decision wrong.

The non yellow card for Hernandez was frustrating though
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Post by: newsted on Saturday 7 December 2013, 06:38:55 pm
So all those who wanted automatic penalties for handballs in the box still of that opinion?   

Blatant handball by Anita holding his arm behind his body while he tried to chest the ball clear and ball bounces back onto his arm. Blatant penna. Ref had a complete shitter today. Ruined a good game and changed the title race. Really time for replay to get these decision right and stop ruining football!!!   [/sarcasm]

Don't think anyone said that, did they? The Swansea lads had their arms in the air "making themselves big" to stop the ball (which is crazy imo, but they got the W), little Vurn was touching the post for position and it ricocheted into him. Given Marriner's history I'm surprised it wasn't two pens and two reds, like :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 7 December 2013, 07:12:34 pm

So all those who wanted automatic penalties for handballs in the box still of that opinion?   

Blatant handball by Anita holding his arm behind his body while he tried to chest the ball clear and ball bounces back onto his arm. Blatant penna. Ref had a complete shitter today. Ruined a good game and changed the title race. Really time for replay to get these decision right and stop ruining football!!!   [/sarcasm]

Don't think anyone said that, did they? The Swansea lads had their arms in the air "making themselves big" to stop the ball (which is crazy imo, but they got the W), little Vurn was touching the post for position and it ricocheted into him. Given Marriner's history I'm surprised it wasn't two pens and two reds, like :lol:


Ball to hand is total bollocks, if the ball hits the hand in the box with the hand away from the body it should be a penalty, some will be given and be considered "harsh" undoubtedly but it'd remove a lot of the uncertainty.

Apparently, Yes.

I'm just messing with the we-lost-ref-had-Shitter / we-won-ref-had-a-good-game theme.

Perhaps now is a good time to trot out the evens-out-over-the-season line :D
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Post by: joeyt on Saturday 14 December 2013, 05:47:41 pm
Shocking today
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Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 14 December 2013, 05:50:38 pm
That ref needs to learn the difference between a foul and a player falling over.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 14 December 2013, 06:10:21 pm
Biggest error today was Remy not the reffy
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Saturday 14 December 2013, 06:12:30 pm
what is the rule for deliberate handball?
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Post by: mozy on Saturday 14 December 2013, 06:13:55 pm
Ref was pretty good today I thought. Linesman on the other hand, wasn't.
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Post by: NUFC on Saturday 14 December 2013, 06:31:20 pm
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Post by: DJ_NUFC on Saturday 14 December 2013, 06:34:36 pm
:lol:

Why are refs such pussies. Our Di Canio moment.
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Post by: Skirge on Saturday 14 December 2013, 06:37:59 pm
:mackems:
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Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 14 December 2013, 06:44:38 pm
Judging deliberate handball is all about the referee judging intent because without the intent it is accidental (and not a foul).

Other than a Suarez type save, or a defender making a finger tip save to tip the ball over the bar, the question of intent will always be subjective.

The referees get training in the type of things to look for that signify intentional handling....the usual ones are the ball striking the arm while the arms are in an unnatural position ... This usually means arms away from the body or above the head. Spreading the arms out to make the player look bigger is another intentional handling offense. 

The reason is that the player intentionally put there arms into areas that they did not need to do to play the ball, and so unless they move their arms out of the way to prevent the ball striking their arm, they have intentionally handled the ball. This is probably why Anita in the Man U game wasn't penalised for the ball striking his arm on hue he goal line......his physical position was chest out, arms back and behind his body attempting to chest the ball clear....the ball strikes his arm when he is attempting to keep them out of the play so no intent.

This is also a further refining point for the referee to consider is whether the player could have moved their hands/arms away to prevent the ball from striking them but chose not to. This is a refinement on deciding on ball to hand or hand to ball. Just because the hand was already in place when the ball struck it, doesn't mean that the player should not have done all possible to avoid the ball striking the hands.  Consider defender on defender on the line with his hand out on the post (think Larson in the the derby)

Which then leads to the last assessment which is whether the player is protecting themselves or not. Good examples of protecting themself is the player in the wall at a free kick protecting their gentle mans area....ball strikes the hand (covering crotch)  but this is not intential handling.  Alternative would be the ball is struck at the players head, and they raise their arms to protect the face....the referee now has to decide if this was reflex action to protect, or could the player have avoided contact. The usually depends on the distance of the player from the ball when it was struck. Again back to referee opinion. As a referee my answer to this action is often that the player chose to block the ball to protect themselves rather than ducking to avoid contact. Thereby they intentionally handled the ball....of course that assumes that they had time to avoid the ball striking their hands.

There really is no definitive black and white answer because their is no definitive way to assess a players intent. Therefore it is a subjective decision for the referee to make. And as the Laws of the Game state that all decisions are the opinion of the referee (and the LOTG doesn't mention the opinion of the coaches, managers or fans as being included in the decision process ;-D )

So after all that it comes down to one thing.......did the player intentionally, in the opinion of the referee, handle the ball
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Post by: biggs on Sunday 15 December 2013, 12:45:12 am
wtf was that chelski player booked for (sorry black and played the ball clean) and no malice in tackle ?
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Post by: Dr Colossus on Sunday 22 December 2013, 05:14:47 pm
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?page=3156 (http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?page=3156)

Have a look at 10 clips in real-time and see if you can call them onside or offside.

Got 9/1 on the easy and 7/3 on the difficult. Would imagine it's much harder with everyone (including yourself) running at top speed though.
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Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 22 December 2013, 05:18:57 pm
10/10 on easy, 9/10 on hard. Good little thing that.
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Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 22 December 2013, 05:25:05 pm
When you click on review it has players that they deem as being onside with half of their body offside ???
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Post by: Nobody on Sunday 22 December 2013, 08:20:01 pm
10/10 and 8/10.
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Post by: NUFC on Monday 23 December 2013, 05:27:49 pm
So we have a mackem as 4th official on News Years Day away at West Brom, lets hope Lee Mason doesn't get injured in the warm up!
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Post by: Dr Colossus on Monday 23 December 2013, 05:34:28 pm
So we have a mackem as 4th official on News Years Day away at West Brom, lets hope Lee Mason doesn't get injured in the warm up!

When we make a sub he'll put it on the board as Cisse coming on for Krul FTM.
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Post by: Flip on Thursday 26 December 2013, 03:45:58 pm
Love some Premier League refs at time. Missed that handball on Willo and we scored on the counter.
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Post by: thomas on Thursday 26 December 2013, 04:03:03 pm
Atkinson has gone mental. Hail Satan.
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Post by: LRD on Thursday 26 December 2013, 04:53:47 pm
Thank you, Martin. Season's greetings, Martin.
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Post by: Kimbo on Thursday 26 December 2013, 05:03:57 pm
I've no problem with the red cards, the Williamson handball and Cabaye penalty shout were wrong though. Not the biggest injustice i've ever seen and Stokes problems were mostly of their own making.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 26 December 2013, 05:07:55 pm
Bottled a couple of decisions in Stoke's favour, suppose it isn't worth the grief when a side is getting hammered. No idea where only 3 minutes came from either, putting a team out of it's misery if I have ever seen it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:01:25 pm
f***ing hell
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Post by: basjen on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:06:05 pm
Shocking
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Post by: Shak on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:24:01 pm
He can die of AIDS alone in the cold and dark, useless.
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Post by: Kaizero on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:24:47 pm
Gave everything to Arsenal, even when there was nothing to give them. f***.
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Post by: RodneyCisse on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:26:08 pm
 :love:
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Post by: hakka on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:27:46 pm
Gave everything to Arsenal, even when there was nothing to give them. f***.

I think Arsenal players practice their ref conning in training. Very good at falling in all areas of the pitch to turn a slightly physical contact in to winning a foul. Helps break up play and keep possession very well.
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Post by: SiLvOR on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:28:30 pm
Should have booked Tiote, was so inconsistent. Awful ref.
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Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:29:27 pm
Quite blatantly under instruction from his FA pay masters to 'put right' the Stoke game.
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Post by: henke on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:30:04 pm
Gave everything to Arsenal, even when there was nothing to give them. f***.

I think Arsenal players practice their ref conning in training. Very good at falling in all areas of the pitch to turn a slightly physical contact in to winning a foul. Helps break up play and keep possession very well.

I think are Arsenal are just very "cute", it comes from playing regular champions league football.
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Post by: LRD on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:33:36 pm
They can f*** him off to Paris to be the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
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Post by: Nobody on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:35:43 pm
Said after 10 minutes that he wasn't giving us anything, he certainly kept it up all game the w*****. So frustrating to see all the small decisions go their way, it's even worse than just getting one big call wrong.
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Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:42:23 pm
f***ing disgraceful. A non Sky 6 team threaten to get into the top 6 and they have to correct it again.
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Post by: Beren on Sunday 29 December 2013, 03:46:18 pm
Awful. Arsenal played him very well. Don't want to see our players acting like theirs, but it would've helped (eg. Gouff going down off-the-ball after a two-handed shove by Sagna following a tackle).

Probert was f***ing awful though. Just awful. The foul on Anita before the goal and the foul on Sissoko first half. Clear as f***ing day.
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Post by: Thomson Mouse on Sunday 29 December 2013, 04:00:07 pm
f***ing disgraceful. A non Sky 6 team threaten to get into the top 6 and they have to correct it again.

This, absolutely this.
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Post by: Rebellious on Sunday 29 December 2013, 04:42:03 pm
With a better a Referee we would have got a 0-0 or 1-1.
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Post by: joeyt on Sunday 29 December 2013, 04:43:40 pm
All three officials were terrible
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 29 December 2013, 04:44:25 pm
f***ing disgraceful. A non Sky 6 team threaten to get into the top 6 and they have to correct it again.

This, absolutely this.
I hate blaming the ref, but it really felt like this today. Probert had no intentions of giving us anything.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 5 January 2014, 12:52:32 am
Not a Premier League game but the referee Anthony Taylor was absolutely terrible.
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Post by: Ashley17 on Sunday 5 January 2014, 01:02:16 am
Since that Stoke game we've had nothing go for us. Ref was a joke today after we scored, particular highlight was Campbell backing into Taylor, falling over, only for the ref to give a freekick and book Taylor. Bravo.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:43:39 pm
Bump
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Post by: Flip on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:45:22 pm
Never felt this p*ssed off at a ref in my life. Worst decision ever, linesman was running away until he saw Hart pull his hand up. Idiots.
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Post by: LRD on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:45:28 pm
The standard of refereeing man. Absolutely robbed there.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:45:58 pm
Worst decision I've seen in a long time. Cheating f***ing c***s.
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Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:46:59 pm
its the delay until man city complained thats the f***ing problem, if you thought it was offside before then why didn't you stick your flag up you cheating b******
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:47:19 pm
Blame the linesman not the ref.
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Post by: Spark on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:49:47 pm
Blame the linesman not the ref.

The ref doesn't have to give it, you know. He's ultimately the one in charge.
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Post by: basjen on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:50:34 pm
Blame the linesman not the ref.

Disagree, blame both. He should see that Gouffran isn't in the way of the goalkeeper.
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Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:51:36 pm
if Harts vision is impared by that he should go to f***ing specsavers
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Post by: Shak on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:52:07 pm
I've never seen a team actually convince the ref to change his mind before.

Nice precedent to set.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:52:54 pm
I've never seen a team actually convince the ref to change his mind before.

Nice precedent to set.

This is what p*ssed me off, want to give it, then give the offside but don't change your f***ing mind because they raise their hands.
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Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:55:02 pm
Worst decision of the season by far and that says a lot.

F*cking joke.
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Post by: Adam^ on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:56:16 pm
Still no hope of any sort of video technology though. Thats the most depressing thing.
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Post by: matta on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:56:42 pm
He gives the goal, but judges the linesman to be in better position than him. The way offside is judged today, there is no way that is offside. Horrible refreeing, and i hope he never ref's again. He must be a horrible person, and its a joke when the main ref hasn't got the guts to make a call just cause he has a linesman in need of attention. Joke ref. f*** off.
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Post by: Newcastle Fan on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:57:43 pm
Corrupt as f*** that.
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Post by: basjen on Sunday 12 January 2014, 02:59:18 pm
I hate Mike Jones. I hate him so bad.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: matta on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:04:00 pm
I would get fired if i f***ed up my job that bad.
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Post by: Nobody on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:04:11 pm
Look at the linesman, he isn't even thinking about raising his flag until the City players start appealing. f***ing shocking.
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Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:04:42 pm
Actually the ref is a c***.  Taken a bung imo.
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Post by: palnese on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:04:54 pm
Probably the most blatant cheating I've seen from a ref.
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Post by: JH on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:11:58 pm
Yet another PL game goes by where all the talk is about the referee's inconsistency.

Becoming very common these days.
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Post by: Tooj on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:15:21 pm
How are you supposed to show the referees respect with decisions like that?
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Post by: palnese on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:41:52 pm
Been very lucky this half. We could've had two men sent off.
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Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 03:42:50 pm
Blatantly had a look at HT and realised he f***ed up, so being lenient with cards this half for us. x wrongs don't make it right though. :(

x being an algebraic variable obvs. :lol:
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Post by: TRon on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:04:06 pm
The only time I've seen a decision as bad was when Rob Lee scored from the halfway line years ago and that too was chalked up for an offside. At least then the rules supported such a shitty decision.
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Post by: Minhosa on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:04:22 pm
How are you supposed to show the referees respect with decisions like that?

Not just that Tooj but the implications of that f*** up could be absolutely huge. If City nick the league by 2 or 3 points then he's effectively win it for them today costing other clubs millions and millions of pounds.
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Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:06:28 pm
Stupid b****** was desperate to find a reason to disallow it.  Half hearted appeals from Man City players.  Everyone knew it was a goal.
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Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:09:10 pm
Against Southampton he failed to send off a Southampton player for a two footed tackle on Haidara and a brawl broke out on the touch line.

Today he just flat out cheated.

I'm glad Sissoko smacked him one against Southampton. Hopefully this c*** will never ref another one of our games.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Minhosa on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:10:35 pm
Stupid b****** was desperate to find a reason to disallow it.  Half hearted appeals from Man City players.  Everyone knew it was a goal.

Bang on WBCP, Hart was claiming out of hope rather than expectation. Such as s**** decision. He should apologise live on air the hideous c***.
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Post by: JH on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:11:17 pm
The most frustrating thing is that he's cheated us out of a point and yet he'll get away scot free whilst Pardew is fined and probably banned. This country is a joke.
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Post by: chicken little on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:14:49 pm
The most frustrating thing is that he's cheated us out of a point and yet he'll get away scot free whilst Pardew is fined and probably banned. This country is a joke.

THIRTEEN YEARS OF ZA-NU LABOUR GOVERNMENT AND NOW THIS, THANKYOUVERY MUCH TONY B. LIAR
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Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:24:06 pm
I decided a long time ago that this is more sports entertainment than sport, it's just not worth getting wound up over.
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Post by: Numbers on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:25:15 pm
Oh well, he might miss out on Refereeing a game next week...that will teach him.
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Post by: Wullie on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:25:41 pm
English football has a serious corruption problem.
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Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:26:00 pm
Oh well, he might miss out on Refereeing a game next week...that will teach him.
or be forced to ref a championship game! oh the horror of such a punishment. Though what the championship clubs did wrong I'll never understand
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Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:26:03 pm
Tiote: "We asked the referee to explain why he didn't give the goal, but he didn't say anything so we had to get on with it."

That's pretty telling
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Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:29:32 pm
Tiote: "We asked the referee to explain why he didn't give the goal, but he didn't say anything so we had to get on with it."

That's pretty telling

Disgusting.
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Post by: joeyt on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:30:22 pm
He's always been awful but today was something else
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Post by: Troll on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:30:53 pm
With hindsight Moussa should have hit him harder.
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Post by: LRD on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:30:57 pm
Same guy who didn't give Everton a FK or penalty then pulled Ben Arfa back when we were on a dangerous counter.
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Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:31:21 pm
Tiote: "We asked the referee to explain why he didn't give the goal, but he didn't say anything so we had to get on with it."

That's pretty telling

Disgusting.

Anyone who says English football isn't corrupt is cripplingly naive. 
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Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:31:43 pm
A new low for PL referees, if that was even possible. The FA campaign for 'Respect' but they'll get it when they earn it.
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Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:31:53 pm
The most frustrating thing is that he's cheated us out of a point and yet he'll get away scot free whilst Pardew is fined and probably banned. This country is a joke.

I'd probably stop short of blaming the whole country tbf :lol: The bloke was clearly wrong - I guess I'd get an official warning at work and never be trusted again, demoted and publicly hung out to swing in the wind. Salary and therefore pension cut, colleagues wouldn't speak to me for devaluing their own work, my life would be hell. You just can't go round costing people millions of pounds because you can't do your job right. Quite cross here, that was a sweet strike.
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Post by: cp40 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:32:23 pm
English football has a serious corruption problem.
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Post by: Dave on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:32:51 pm
Absolutely abysmal today, all three of them. f***ing hell.
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Post by: LRD on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:33:38 pm
They'll never earn that respect they craved when they are told to manage a game as an event and to keep top players on, along with their frequent sheer ineptitude.
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Post by: Skirge on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:33:43 pm
Absolutely abysmal today, all three of them. f***ing hell.
It was dreadful, officials scarred of the big club
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Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:33:46 pm
Absolutely abysmal today, all three of them. f***ing hell.

Nah they were excellent for their Arab pay masters.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:34:03 pm
I clearly meant football in this country btw :rolleyes:
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Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:34:55 pm
Neither the referee or linesman had given offside and had allowed the goal to stand, until Hart had appealed. Thats isn't a refereeing mistake, thats corruption.
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Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:35:11 pm
Neither the referee or linesman had given offside and had allowed the goal to stand, until Hart had appealed. Thats isn't a refereeing mistake, thats corruption.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ashley17 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:35:17 pm
It comes to something when a ref is giving offsides. Pathetic.
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Post by: Klaus on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:37:08 pm
I bet even Hart couldnt believe his luck when it was ruled out though, he probably just thought 'f*** it, i may as well try my luck' and the ref bought it.  :anguish:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:37:23 pm
cant get my head around this at all. as I think the goal was dissallowed by the ref for something the linesman couldnt see from his position, but was only dissallowed after he spoke to him?  cant work it out at all.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:37:56 pm
cant get my head around this at all. as I think the goal was dissallowed by the ref for something the linesman couldnt see from his position, but was only dissallowed after he spoke to him?  cant work it out at all.

Corruption.

He's spoken to his assistant to find if there was any excuse they could find to rule out the goal.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:38:41 pm
I clearly meant football in this country btw :rolleyes:

:lol: Probs best to write that down in a written medium, telepathy has yet to be rolled out to the masses. :thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jayson on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:39:22 pm
Ive not seen a goal dissallowed after that length of time in a long while.

He knew Gouffran was offside. He learnt nothing new in that time period.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JJR99 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:45:22 pm
Does he or the FA have to come out and explain how he came to that decision?
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Post by: Disco on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:45:34 pm
Joe Hart player/reffing the game like a young John Terry.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:45:45 pm
Does he or the FA have to come out and explain how he came to that decision?

:yao:
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Post by: geordie_b on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:46:46 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html

This article was posted on here during the summer and remember reading it at the time. Its the only time that I have heard it mentioned and today was the first time that ive seen it flagged for.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TRon on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:48:54 pm
It comes to something when a ref is giving offsides. Pathetic.

It sounds even worse when you put it like that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:51:50 pm
I'm struggling to think of any incidents in any game where Man City get screwed - I can think of them for all the other sides near the top.

That club are paying off referees,
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:52:53 pm
I'm struggling to think of any incidents in any game where Man City get screwed - I can think of them for all the other sides near the top.

That club are paying off referees,

Arab money is corrupting football in general. It's to be expected now.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:53:10 pm
I'm struggling to think of any incidents in any game where Man City get screwed - I can think of them for all the other sides near the top.

That club are paying off referees,
Chelsea don't seem to get screwed over either. f***ing ridiculous how corrupt reffing is
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:53:34 pm
I'm struggling to think of any incidents in any game where Man City get screwed - I can think of them for all the other sides near the top.

That club are paying off referees,


looks like the ref asked the linesman for any excuse to dissallow the goal- its so obviously corrupt its laughable.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:55:59 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html

This article was posted on here during the summer and remember reading it at the time. Its the only time that I have heard it mentioned and today was the first time that ive seen it flagged for.

But that didn't apply in this case, and the linesman didn't flag until after the consultation. Or am I wrong yet again?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:56:00 pm
You know after the decision was given and he was talking to the players. Is it just me or did it look like he said "f*** off"?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:57:20 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html

This article was posted on here during the summer and remember reading it at the time. Its the only time that I have heard it mentioned and today was the first time that ive seen it flagged for.

But that didn't apply in this case, and the linesman didn't flag until after the consultation. Or am I wrong yet again?

Pretty sure the ref's association or whatever they're called have already confirmed the goal should have stood. Mike Jones can cry into his bung pillow though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 04:59:03 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html

This article was posted on here during the summer and remember reading it at the time. Its the only time that I have heard it mentioned and today was the first time that ive seen it flagged for.

But that didn't apply in this case, and the linesman didn't flag until after the consultation. Or am I wrong yet again?

Pretty sure the ref's association or whatever they're called have already confirmed the goal should have stood. Mike Jones can cry into his bung pillow though.

:lol: Hope he's holding that tight tonight.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:01:14 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html

This article was posted on here during the summer and remember reading it at the time. Its the only time that I have heard it mentioned and today was the first time that ive seen it flagged for.

But that didn't apply in this case, and the linesman didn't flag until after the consultation. Or am I wrong yet again?

Pretty sure the ref's association or whatever they're called have already confirmed the goal should have stood. Mike Jones can cry into his bung pillow though.

According to the commentators over here David Elleray was there and said it should have stood. Will be interesting to see what happens next.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:01:19 pm
After that decision and then the one just after when they got the corner I would honestly have just taken the players off. I'm sorry but when their is corruption as clear as that it's just not worth continuing.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:01:58 pm
Today's ref was a disgrace
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:02:17 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html

This article was posted on here during the summer and remember reading it at the time. Its the only time that I have heard it mentioned and today was the first time that ive seen it flagged for.

But that didn't apply in this case, and the linesman didn't flag until after the consultation. Or am I wrong yet again?

Pretty sure the ref's association or whatever they're called have already confirmed the goal should have stood. Mike Jones can cry into his bung pillow though.

According to the commentators over here David Elleray was there and said it should have stood. Will be interesting to see what happens next.
Nothing will happen. It will be chalked over as a 'poor decision' and maybe he will get a week or so in the Championship but nothing will happen.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:03:57 pm
After that decision and then the one just after when they got the corner I would honestly have just taken the players off. I'm sorry but when their is corruption as clear as that it's just not worth continuing.

It's not that he's corrupt, he's terrible all the time. I dont think i've ever seen him not involved in some sort of terrible decision in any game he's reffed. You have to wonder who picks the the top flight refs if they think this clown is good enough.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:08:23 pm
Just been on twitter. Not sure if that's what the ref has said though....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdyvAN7IcAE0NB8.jpg)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:08:51 pm
Football all over the globe is riddled with corruption, and has been for many many years. What we've seen today is one of the many facets of this corruption.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:08:58 pm
According to Tiote the referee didn't even give them a reason.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:09:57 pm
Just been on twitter. Not sure if that's what the ref has said though....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdyvAN7IcAE0NB8.jpg)

The pace at which the ball traveled at, coming through the defenders, would have given Hart absolutely no chance of saving it. He didn't see it till late, and that had nowt to do with Gouffran.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TRon on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:11:00 pm
According to Tiote the referee didn't even give them a reason.

Well he didn't really have one to give.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:11:55 pm
Just been on twitter. Not sure if that's what the ref has said though....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdyvAN7IcAE0NB8.jpg)
amazing new interpretation of the offside law, its offside when your players interfere in the goalkeepers line of sight
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:13:44 pm
Just realised he's the infamous beach ball ref. FML, fifth year in the Select Group as well.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:14:49 pm
After that decision and then the one just after when they got the corner I would honestly have just taken the players off. I'm sorry but when their is corruption as clear as that it's just not worth continuing.

It's not that he's corrupt, he's terrible all the time. I dont think i've ever seen him not involved in some sort of terrible decision in any game he's reffed. You have to wonder who picks the the top flight refs if they think this clown is good enough.
The way they had changed their mind after Hart had made a complaint and with no evidence says that it's down to other reasons than making a simple mistake.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:16:56 pm
Just realised he's the infamous beach ball ref. FML, fifth year in the Select Group as well.

:lol: Really? Extra mackem at work banter. :anguish:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:21:31 pm
Some more just now for Liverpool
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: BlueStar on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:22:42 pm
"You're not fit to referee" ringing out on Sky Sports for the second time in the space of 3 hours.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:22:47 pm
Some more just now for Liverpool

Soft penalty favouring the big team shocker.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:24:00 pm
refs out to protect the premier leagues "brand names" to promote it world wide, wouldn't do to have the non entity's beating them and tarnishing the brand 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:25:04 pm
After that decision and then the one just after when they got the corner I would honestly have just taken the players off. I'm sorry but when their is corruption as clear as that it's just not worth continuing.

It's not that he's corrupt, he's terrible all the time. I dont think i've ever seen him not involved in some sort of terrible decision in any game he's reffed. You have to wonder who picks the the top flight refs if they think this clown is good enough.
The way they had changed their mind after Hart had made a complaint and with no evidence says that it's down to other reasons than making a simple mistake.

The ref reacted to the players, which he shouldn't have, it's not corruption in my view, just weak poor reffing. What makes me angry more is televised games should have an official upstairs like in Rugby and Cricket. One look and that official would have said goal. It takes less time than the argument between the players and the officials over the incident in the first place.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:25:32 pm
Wonder how much money has been placed on City/Liverpool in the Asian betting markets today?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:27:14 pm
refs out to protect the premier leagues "brand names" to promote it world wide, wouldn't do to have the non entity's beating them and tarnishing the brand 
refs out to protect the premier leagues "brand names" to promote it world wide, wouldn't do to have the non entity's beating them and tarnishing the brand 
refs out to protect the premier leagues "brand names" to promote it world wide, wouldn't do to have the non entity's beating them and tarnishing the brand 

Didn't Clattenberg admit a while ago that they were told to keep the 'big names' on the pitch as much as possible. Ie not send them off unless it was impossible not to.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: indi on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:27:20 pm
Blatant handball not given as well now, bad day for the officials all round today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:27:31 pm
Wonder how much money has been placed on City/Liverpool in the Asian betting markets today?

:thup: Always follow the money trail
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:27:43 pm
Blatant handball not given as well now, bad day for the officials all round today.

f***ing brilliant day for them tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:27:55 pm
I'm reluctant to think they're corrupt, just s***. Occam's razor.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:29:01 pm
The FA and the RFA are going to drive people further and further away from the game until it collapses.
The game is hard to take serious because of the lacklustre refereeing and the most pathetic "fouls" are given as a norm.

As for the big clubs, it's the most obvious and deceitful type of refereeing, every one can see it happening but it's just the norm.

There's no way back now, that games f***ed.

Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:29:30 pm
I'm reluctant to think they're corrupt, just s***. Occam's razor.

Hanlon's innit?

I don't think you can put today's down to incompetence, the referee's gone too far out of his way to disallow it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:30:34 pm
I'm reluctant to think they're corrupt, just s***. Occam's razor.
it is corruption but not in the money placed in their pocket sense but the must protect and favour the big boys sense, when you total up the refs cock ups against each side theres no way the guys at the top will have as many to moan about as everybody else
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:31:00 pm
Probably benefits us that there's s*** refereeing in the Stoke game too. Much harder to sweep under the carpet when it's ruined both games.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:31:26 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone with a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad refs that we have in this country, our refs in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: BillClinton on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:32:15 pm
The media will spend more time breaking down that Mbiwa tackle than our goal.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:32:58 pm
I would love to know what went through his head when he made that decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:33:00 pm
I die a little inside when I see players jumping and rolling for nothing, which has happened a fair few times today. I assume they're instructed to do this to gain an advantage, but it's a long way from the game I grew up loving. Stay on your feet if you can. :mick:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:33:01 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

You could look at that and say that the referee, had he sent Newcastle players off, would have drawn more attention to their overall performance (and therefore the decision they made for the goal).

Whilst I'm certain they're corrupt, I do think they do their best to hide it where possible.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:33:03 pm
The media will spend more time breaking down that Mbiwa tackle than our goal.
they'll probably spend more time breaking down pardew saying a bad word than our goal
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: indi on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:33:06 pm
refs out to protect the premier leagues "brand names" to promote it world wide, wouldn't do to have the non entity's beating them and tarnishing the brand 

Ironic that that's exactly why the Premier League is so popular around the world, more so than La Liga, etc.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:33:17 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Novocastrian on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:33:47 pm
The FA and the RFA are going to drive people further and further away from the game until it collapses.
The game is hard to take serious because of the lacklustre refereeing and the most pathetic "fouls" are given as a norm.

As for the big clubs, it's the most obvious and deceitful type of refereeing, every one can see it happening but it's just the norm.

There's no way back now, that games f***ed.



The players contribute by diving and cheating in every match making it harder for the refs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:33:51 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.

Didn't think of it like that :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:34:45 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.
had our equaliser stood then the players wouldn't have been as p*ssed off as they were and might have been more careful in how they tackled opposition. But as you say we'll never know
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:35:15 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.

Most of the bookings and bad tackles came after the goal decision. Quite clear that the ref caused our players to feel a massive injustice which riled them up.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:36:18 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone with a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad refs that we have in this country, our refs in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.
There's no way he disallows that goal if it goes the other way. "big team bias" or corruption, doesn't matter what it is, we've been robbed by a sack less piece of s***.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:36:56 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.
had our equaliser stood then the players wouldn't have been as p*ssed off as they were and might have been more careful in how they tackled opposition. But as you say we'll never know

There's some merit in this, Sissoko's first yellow was for kicking the ball away after not being given a throw in, when it was clearly put out by Man City player and the linesman was right next to them. I was shouting my head off at that. When you get a decision like that it's hard to keep your cool.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:39:22 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone with a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad refs that we have in this country, our refs in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.
As a referee does it not f*** you over that you have probably been consistent through out your career yet you are stuck in non-league? I mean what would you have to have done to get further up? Is there a feeling amongst non-league and lower league referee's that you have to ass kiss in order to move up?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:39:45 pm
Clearly frustrated from not getting the goal as well.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:39:55 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone with a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad refs that we have in this country, our refs in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.
There's no way he disallows that goal if it goes the other way. "big team bias" or corruption, doesn't matter what it is, we've been robbed by a sack less piece of s***.

Sometimes this argument is very true, big teams do get the majority of decisions. But we've benefitted from poor ref decisions, does the same count in our regard ?. That's why i will always say it's poor reffing, not cheating.

We need to get better refs coming through and us an official in front of a TV screen like in Rugby/Cricket, espeically for decisions like today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:40:09 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.

Most of the bookings and bad tackles came after the goal decision. Quite clear that the ref caused our players to feel a massive injustice which riled them up.

Agree totally. There's nothing to suggest that had our goal stood then City could have upped it a gear or 2 and won regardless. All hypothetical stuff though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:40:56 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdy7RlPCUAATnWK.jpg)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:41:49 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.

Most of the bookings and bad tackles came after the goal decision. Quite clear that the ref caused our players to feel a massive injustice which riled them up.

Agree totally. There's nothing to suggest that had our goal stood then City could have upped it a gear or 2 and won regardless. All hypothetical stuff though.

City looked shot after about 20 minutes to me. Never seen them struggle so badly against us.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:43:19 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone with a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad refs that we have in this country, our refs in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.
As a referee does it not f*** you over that you have probably been consistent through out your career yet you are stuck in non-league? I mean what would you have to have done to get further up? Is there a feeling amongst non-league and lower league referee's that you have to ass kiss in order to move up?

I'm at the very bottom mate, because of my boys playing i prefer to stay where i'am doing the youngsters, coach both my boys teams as well as ref when i can.

The one thing i do know is from the course and the way your taught, it's an arrogant and we do no wrong attitude. If that's the feeling i got this low down just imagine how bad it must be at the very top.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:46:03 pm
There were at least two occasions when the ball went out via a Man City player and the decisions given were Man City throw ins. The crowd went mental on those occasions.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wilson on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:46:29 pm
f*** my life....hope the 3 of them caught the plague on the way home. 
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:47:18 pm
So that's man city having a goal against chalked off, Liverpool getting a very soft penalty and manure having an offside goal allowed? Arsenal to get something next? Nothing dodgy with Everton or spurs games though at least.

Just hurts more given our great performance. Truly terrible last couple of sets of results for us in the premier league.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:47:56 pm
There were at least two occasions when the ball went out via a Man City player and the decisions given were Man City throw ins. The crowd went mental on those occasions.

They were so bad it was untrue. And the reason Sissoko got booked in frustration by kicking the ball away.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ujpest doza on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:53:01 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone with a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad refs that we have in this country, our refs in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.
There's no way he disallows that goal if it goes the other way. "big team bias" or corruption, doesn't matter what it is, we've been robbed by a sack less piece of s***.
Exactly.

The Linesman did not flag him offside and the ref disallowed it purely because Hart moaned his tits off about it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 12 January 2014, 05:53:05 pm

The media will spend more time breaking down that Mbiwa tackle than our goal.

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9113279/F365-Says

:anguish:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 06:12:55 pm
So that's going to be the headline? I hate journalists. If the ref hadn't made the big mistake we wouldn't have been chasing the game and none of the bookings and tackles would have happened. FFFFS. Is it going to be this on MotD2 tonight too? Goddamnit. Ramifications.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Sunday 12 January 2014, 06:17:10 pm
Jones had a perfectly unobstructed view of the incident too. Outrageous.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jayson on Sunday 12 January 2014, 06:28:56 pm
So that's going to be the headline? I hate journalists. If the ref hadn't made the big mistake we wouldn't have been chasing the game and none of the bookings and tackles would have happened. FFFFS. Is it going to be this on MotD2 tonight too? Goddamnit. Ramifications.

Motd2 are normally better at pulling up incidents properly i think. Most pundits talking on it today have all been in agreement that we were done.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: duo on Sunday 12 January 2014, 06:35:18 pm
Since when do refs tell linesman to raise their flags? Also Toure and Zabaleta were on yellows when they committed second yellow offences.  Yet that seems to have been forgotten.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Sunday 12 January 2014, 06:56:03 pm
Since when do refs tell linesman to raise their flags?
:lol: I don't know. It happened, though, didn't it? My brain doesn't believe my eyes.



Also Toure and Zabaleta were on yellows when they committed second yellow offences.  Yet that seems to have been forgotten.
I think he'd lost the plot by then tbh. There could have been reds all over the place in the second half. I was just wincing at ours. We'd have to be playing the juniors at the weekend. Total horrorshow.


Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pata on Sunday 12 January 2014, 08:03:01 pm
We're complaining about the disallowed goal(quite rightly) saying the ref cheated, yet Sissoko should have gone wiuth a second yellow for handball, and Cabaye was lucky not to. That's why i dont think it's cheating and corruption or they would have gone off, a sending off would have made sure. Its just plain bad ref's that we have in this country, our ref in general are some of the worst i've seen. Just appalling at their jobs.

Fair point.

I think had our equaliser stood then we'd have finished the game with 9 men but we'll never know tbh.
had our equaliser stood then the players wouldn't have been as p*ssed off as they were and might have been more careful in how they tackled opposition. But as you say we'll never know

There's some merit in this, Sissoko's first yellow was for kicking the ball away after not being given a throw in, when it was clearly put out by Man City player and the linesman was right next to them. I was shouting my head off at that. When you get a decision like that it's hard to keep your cool.

Sissoko and Cabaye wouldn't have got the yellows in the first half if the goal was allowed. Just finished watching the game, absolutely fuming.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: cp40 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 08:08:37 pm
Since when do refs tell linesman to raise their flags?
:lol: I don't know. It happened, though, didn't it? My brain doesn't believe my eyes.



Also Toure and Zabaleta were on yellows when they committed second yellow offences.  Yet that seems to have been forgotten.
I think he'd lost the plot by then tbh. There could have been reds all over the place in the second half. I was just wincing at ours. We'd have to be playing the juniors at the weekend. Total horrorshow.





I shook my head so much today i think ive strained my neck.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tisd09 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 08:12:15 pm
Mrs Tisd still can't believe 5 of so hours later that I'm still sighing and s*** over that decision. "It can't be that bad"??? As if she did. I had to go and stand in the f***ing rain for 5 mins...
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Sunday 12 January 2014, 08:13:24 pm
According to the commentators over here David Elleray was there and said it should have stood. Will be interesting to see what happens next.

Imagine he would have been the referee match assessor, nowt to do with him on which referee's get selected for games
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 12 January 2014, 08:22:41 pm
Mrs Tisd still can't believe 5 of so hours later that I'm still sighing and s*** over that decision. "It can't be that bad"??? As if she did. I had to go and stand in the f***ing rain for 5 mins...

:lol: :thup:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: mattypnufc on Sunday 12 January 2014, 08:41:03 pm
f***ing diabolical.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: DebuchyAndTheBeast on Sunday 12 January 2014, 09:26:16 pm
It's weird that the linesman didn't call for offside but the ref did. How sure was he  that the ball didn't deflect off Gouffran? As for the ref he can argue that the " interfering with play" rule isn't clear enough but I remember the OG at Old Trafford which was given in our favour .  OffsideCisse  puts a defender under pressure and the ball comes off his shin. Goal given. The term "interfering with play" needs to be clarified to explore all possibilities
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 12 January 2014, 09:31:04 pm
It's weird that the linesman didn't call for offside but the ref did. How sure was he  that the ball didn't deflect off Gouffran? As for the ref he can argue that the " interfering with play" rule isn't clear enough but I remember the OG at Old Trafford which was given in our favour .  OffsideCisse  puts a defender under pressure and the ball comes off his shin. Goal given. The term "interfering with play" needs to be clarified to explore all possibilities

They have clarified it, it's the GK line of sight. 'Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent' - this counts for all players by the way, not just GK's

It's just a very poor decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: duo on Monday 13 January 2014, 12:16:34 am


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2478051/Graham-Poll-Mike-Jones-excuse-Leroy-Fer-goal-cop-out.html
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Monday 13 January 2014, 07:01:03 am
http://www.theguardian.com/football/poll/2014/jan/12/cheick-tiote-goal-have-stood (http://www.theguardian.com/football/poll/2014/jan/12/cheick-tiote-goal-have-stood)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: basjen on Monday 13 January 2014, 04:12:42 pm
Luke Edwards ‏@LukeEdwardsTele 1m
Mike Jones not given a PL game to referee next weekend, which is their equivalent of being dropped for a crap performance #nufc #mcfc
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Monday 13 January 2014, 04:14:12 pm
How many consecutive weeks has he reffed prior?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Monday 13 January 2014, 04:15:53 pm
How many consecutive weeks has he reffed prior?

1

http://www.soccerbase.com/referees/referee.sd?referee_id=150
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Monday 13 January 2014, 04:17:46 pm
Lead to believe that referee schedules come out weeks in advance. Is this a case of Jones not having a scheduled week rather than being officially dropped? Iirc when they do drop refs, the offender usually has to officiate a lower league match.

Scant consolation anyway. He'll still come up with those terrible calls in future.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Roger Kint on Monday 13 January 2014, 04:17:52 pm
How many consecutive weeks has he reffed prior?

Did the mackems last week and had nowt the weekend of 28th Dec. Did the previous four game weeks to that
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: leffe186 on Monday 13 January 2014, 10:02:47 pm
So that's man city having a goal against chalked off, Liverpool getting a very soft penalty and manure having an offside goal allowed? Arsenal to get something next? Nothing dodgy with Everton or spurs games though at least.

Just hurts more given our great performance. Truly terrible last couple of sets of results for us in the premier league.

As if us or Everton are at the party. We're the team who had no penalties last year.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: mattypnufc on Monday 13 January 2014, 10:17:13 pm
Still f***ing livid.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Monday 13 January 2014, 10:18:06 pm
 :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Monday 13 January 2014, 10:29:13 pm
Lead to believe that referee schedules come out weeks in advance. Is this a case of Jones not having a scheduled week rather than being officially dropped? Iirc when they do drop refs, the offender usually has to officiate a lower league match.

Correct, referee's are usually pencilled in weeks in advance of games and usually only change due to injury or international appointments
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Tuesday 14 January 2014, 12:08:31 am
Maybe Giggs, but I hadn't read it before.

http://diminbeirut.typepad.com/my-blog/2012/10/corruption-and-influence-peddling-in-the-english-game.html

And another interesting one, although probably more paranoid than the first:

http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/27183
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: indi on Saturday 18 January 2014, 03:12:18 pm
Here we go again.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 18 January 2014, 04:38:14 pm
Here we go again.

What's happened?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Shak on Saturday 18 January 2014, 04:44:48 pm
Cazorla's second today is good fun to compare to Tiote last week.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: indi on Saturday 18 January 2014, 04:57:33 pm
Here we go again.

What's happened?

Nothing in the end, just wondered if we were in for more of the same when the ref didn't give that obvious corner at the beginning of the match, but the ref was okay today overall.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Saturday 18 January 2014, 06:01:01 pm
Here we go again.

What's happened?

Nothing in the end, just wondered if we were in for more of the same when the ref didn't give that obvious corner at the beginning of the match, but the ref was okay today overall.

The Rémy shot that hit Roger Johnson's arse? That was a corner tbh. We should have been 8-0 up at HT though, they're rubbish.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Thursday 23 January 2014, 08:21:08 am
Mike Jones and Ron Ganfield are having to be kept apart after a furious bust up over Tiote's disallowed goal vs City, Jones blames Ganfield for the mistake.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LRD on Thursday 23 January 2014, 08:38:02 am
Mike Jones and Ron Ganfield are having to be kept apart after a furious bust up over Tiote's disallowed goal vs City, Jones blames Ganfield for the mistake.

Source?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Walter on Thursday 23 January 2014, 08:57:10 am
Mike Jones and Ron Ganfield are having to be kept apart after a furious bust up over Tiote's disallowed goal vs City, Jones blames Ganfield for the mistake.

Source?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5395195/Referee-Mike-Jones-had-a-furious-bust-up-with-his-assistant-after-disallowing-Cheick-Tiotes-strike-against-Manchester-City.html
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Thursday 23 January 2014, 09:12:26 am
Mike Jones and Ron Ganfield are having to be kept apart after a furious bust up over Tiote's disallowed goal vs City, Jones blames Ganfield for the mistake.

Source?
SSN reporting it this morning
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Thursday 23 January 2014, 02:56:12 pm
Who is Mike Jones?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skirge on Thursday 23 January 2014, 04:38:56 pm
Who is Mike Jones?
eh ? the inept ref from the Man City game
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Thursday 23 January 2014, 06:10:43 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/33AY2Uh.jpg)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 23 January 2014, 07:14:13 pm
Obviously can't decide how they're splitting the bribe money.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 07:45:21 pm
Chris f***ing Foy. Might as well bump this in anticipation.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 07:47:08 pm
Chris Hoy.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: indi on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 09:06:24 pm
Anyone care to explain how the f*** Sissoko's just been booked?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NEEJ on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 09:17:39 pm
Anyone care to explain how the f*** Sissoko's just been booked?
Chris Hoy.
Chris f***ing Foy. Might as well bump this in anticipation.
Take your pick, one of them's at fault.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Unlucky Luque on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 09:24:21 pm
BUMP
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NEEJ on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 09:25:35 pm
Three ridiculous calls today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: basjen on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 09:27:38 pm
Double red. WTF?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 09:27:56 pm
Can set your watch by it. Andy Garrett (lino) seems to be involved in dicking us over constantly as well. John Hurt looking motherfucker.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 09:32:03 pm
f***ing fanny sport.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:14:42 pm
All happened so slowly, and I thought he was doing right by waiting - to make them realise what complete pussies they were being - and then he comes up with a s*** decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:15:39 pm
Can set your watch by it. Andy Garrett (lino) seems to be involved in dicking us over constantly as well. John Hurt looking motherfucker.
Aye I hate that prick
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:16:29 pm
All happened so slowly, and I thought he was doing right by waiting - to make them realise what complete pussies they were being - and then he comes up with a s*** decision.

Thought exactly the same. Horrendous refereeing.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Varadi on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:16:43 pm
Yellow for both would've been the correct decision and no-one would've complained. What happened to basic common sense?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:16:50 pm
incompetent prick, all of the money in football and these are the best refs around. Christ
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexthegreat on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:18:43 pm
missed the most obvious booking you will ever see for the tackle on Debuchy, then 2 minutes later books Sissoko for getting hit by the ball. Failed to penalise an obvious foul on Sissoko shortly after that, and the red cards were the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:20:16 pm
He was right with the red card to be honest. Though we should have had a penalty and everything went against us decision wise.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:21:33 pm
He was right with the red card to be honest. Though we should have had a penalty and everything went against us decision wise.

What penalty ?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:23:17 pm
He was right with the red card to be honest. Though we should have had a penalty and everything went against us decision wise.

What penalty ?
Ben Arfa got taken down in the box in the 2nd half. It should have been a penalty.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:29:08 pm
He was right with the red card to be honest. Though we should have had a penalty and everything went against us decision wise.

What penalty ?
Ben Arfa got taken down in the box in the 2nd half. It should have been a penalty.
Absolutely not, he falls over on his own.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:30:43 pm
He was right with the red card to be honest. Though we should have had a penalty and everything went against us decision wise.

What penalty ?
Ben Arfa got taken down in the box in the 2nd half. It should have been a penalty.

You really need to get back on your tits with immediate effect.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:33:05 pm
From what I saw it was a penalty.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:33:53 pm
it was never a penalty
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Shearergol on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:34:13 pm
From what I saw it was a penalty.

And a red card for the grass?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:35:53 pm
Looked it to me. To be fair I was watching it on a poor quality stream.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:36:46 pm
Ben Arfa just fell over man.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:36:55 pm
Looked it to me. To be fair I was watching it on a poor quality stream.

Thank god.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:37:07 pm
he wasn't touched man, best case scenario he tripped, worst case one of the most awful dives in history
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:39:36 pm
He tripped and fell over. Not a dive at all.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:40:33 pm
Don't think he dived at all tbf, just stumbled. No appeal seems to back that up.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:54:31 pm
Looked it to me. To be fair I was watching it on a poor quality stream.

How fuzzy was your picture ?.

No pen, no tackle and no trip. Hatem stumbled so it was no dive. Pretty clear cut.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: newsted on Tuesday 28 January 2014, 10:57:16 pm

You really need to get back on your tits with immediate effect.


:lol: This seems to have proved a useful piece of advice.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Wednesday 29 January 2014, 12:10:39 am
Real shame he stumbled though because it was a terrific burst into the area and a certain goal if he had kept his balance.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Wednesday 29 January 2014, 08:57:02 pm
Danny Rose off for winning the ball. There is no hope for refereeing in this country.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Wednesday 29 January 2014, 08:59:54 pm
Linesman giving the decision again. Happening quite a lot it seems. Hard to tell on my crappy stream but does touching the ball mean anything if they take out the player as well? Couldn't tell maybe Dzeko dived after but looked like he took him out despite getting a toe on it?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Wednesday 29 January 2014, 09:01:13 pm
He came around the side. Won the ball and took the man down. Fantastic tackle.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 29 January 2014, 09:01:32 pm
Linesman giving the decision again. Happening quite a lot it seems. Hard to tell on my crappy stream but does touching the ball mean anything if they take out the player as well? Couldn't tell maybe Dzeko dived after but looked like he took him out despite getting a toe on it?

Ball first then a bit of Dzeko, no penalty for me, a perfectly timed tackle.

If players are getting sent off for contact after a good tackle then football has gone mad. By that i mean fair tackles, not two footed or high ones that get the ball first.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jimmymag on Wednesday 29 January 2014, 09:01:34 pm
How many Premiership officials are there on City's payroll???
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Wednesday 29 January 2014, 09:07:04 pm
Ah fair enough, only saw it once on a really shitty picture.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 1 February 2014, 09:48:26 pm
Thought Phill Dowd had a good game today (seemed to get all the big decisions right.....or at least didn't get them wrong)

I was frustrated that he kept giving us advantage for fouls in the defensive area (sunderland forwards fouling our defense) and didn't really get the same fouls called in the attacking half. But in all honesty, that was probably just frsutration at how crap we were rather than any real injustice.

Crappy game from us, but not the fault of the referee in this one at all.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Saturday 1 February 2014, 09:51:38 pm
Frustrating seeing foul after foul after foul being given against us for minimal contact. Didn't influence the result, they whacked us fair and square, but seeing a set of players consistently collapse at the slightest contact and being rewarded for it by Dowd was p*ss boiling.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 1 February 2014, 09:51:59 pm
thought he was a bit quick with the cards first half but he calmed down in that respect and generally did well on what is a bloody difficult fixture to ref most of the time, may as well give credit when they get it right
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 1 February 2014, 09:58:57 pm
What did Borini get booked for after the goal?  Excessive celebration?  Did he remove his shirt or something?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Saturday 1 February 2014, 10:05:17 pm
he jumped onto the electronic advertising board to celebrate in front of the Newcastle fans (he tried to point out he was celebrating in front of his own fans, a bit of a silly thing to do tbh
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Saturday 1 February 2014, 10:05:37 pm
What did Borini get booked for after the goal?  Excessive celebration?  Did he remove his shirt or something?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/01/1391260870849_lc_galleryImage_Feb_01st_2014_Newcastle_U.JPG)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Saturday 1 February 2014, 10:58:57 pm
Thanks.  I guessed as much, but it wasn;t shown on the NBC feed in the US.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: geordiesteve710 on Tuesday 11 February 2014, 09:05:20 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26115540

The mind boggles. The FA man, cannot even spell consistency let alone action it (although in fairness they do seem more than happy to sell it off to the highest bidder.)






















allegedly, your honour
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TheHoob on Tuesday 11 February 2014, 09:37:15 am
Such a joke man  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kimbo on Tuesday 11 February 2014, 01:06:38 pm
Hardly a surprise, Man City are clearly favoured this season.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: alexf on Tuesday 11 February 2014, 01:19:34 pm
Once again plays into that theory of "keeping the best players on the pitch, to help promote the premier league product"

As if Man City, Chelsea, or any of the "big" teams need the extra help off officials anyway. The way it's always been in this country with the "big teams" getting preferential treatment is disgusting.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: CPL on Tuesday 11 February 2014, 04:58:12 pm
Toure getting off and Bellamy getting suspended is such bull crap! Yet I'm not surprised of this decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 23 February 2014, 03:16:14 pm
Couldn't have asked for a better position for the handball. Woeful decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Sunday 23 February 2014, 03:26:37 pm
Pretty much his only bad decision. Didn't get many wrong today did Mr. Atkinson. B-
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 23 February 2014, 03:26:58 pm
Couldn't have asked for a better position for the handball. Woeful decision.

Worst part is I didn't even feel infuriated by it.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 23 February 2014, 04:32:17 pm
Couldn't have asked for a better position for the handball. Woeful decision.
quite how he missed it is beyond me.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Sunday 23 February 2014, 04:55:10 pm
He's the worst ref in the league. Of course he was going to miss the handball. Couldn't spot a leg breaking tackle when standing right next to it when HBA was done.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: thomas on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:40:42 pm
Can set your watch by it. Andy Garrett (lino) seems to be involved in dicking us over constantly as well. John Hurt looking motherfucker.
Missed that obvious foul on Remy just now. Not a fan. Consistently s****.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Jordan on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:42:01 pm
Can set your watch by it. Andy Garrett (lino) seems to be involved in dicking us over constantly as well. John Hurt looking motherfucker.
Missed that obvious foul on Remy just now. Not a fan. Consistently s****.
Came in here to complain about lino. No surprise it's that c*** again.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Saturday 1 March 2014, 04:42:47 pm
Can set your watch by it. Andy Garrett (lino) seems to be involved in dicking us over constantly as well. John Hurt looking motherfucker.
Missed that obvious foul on Remy just now. Not a fan. Consistently s****.

Is that that Garrett t*** again?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 1 March 2014, 05:33:39 pm
Thought he did ok but missing that foul on Remy when he was clean through that should have been a red card was shocking.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pata on Saturday 1 March 2014, 05:36:17 pm
Dummett might have been offside in the last goal after Gosling backheeled the ball to him.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Robster on Sunday 9 March 2014, 05:37:15 pm
The irony of that Man City goal :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TK-421 on Sunday 9 March 2014, 07:55:45 pm
The irony of that Man City goal :lol:

Didn't see the game or the goal in question, but just seen this on FB...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1926691_10200759541990423_1322330719_n.jpg)

 :dave:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Sunday 9 March 2014, 08:02:57 pm
...and yet both decisions went in favour of Man City. Who'd have thunk it?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Rebellious on Monday 10 March 2014, 06:56:13 pm
Howard Webb on Saturday.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Monday 10 March 2014, 10:28:32 pm
Howard Webb on Saturday.

He's got Mike Mullarky and Darren Cann his two world cup assistants too
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Dave on Saturday 22 March 2014, 05:23:35 pm
This Arsenal thing sounds like a pearler.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Monday 24 March 2014, 04:19:38 pm
Mike Jones will referee Newcastle v Everton tomorrow night

Andre Marriner will referee Southampton v Newcastle on Saturday

 :kasper:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: BillClinton on Monday 24 March 2014, 04:36:08 pm
Mike Jones will referee Newcastle v Everton tomorrow night

Andre Marriner will referee Southampton v Newcastle on Saturday

 :kasper:

In the battle for first place? How dare they!
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Monday 24 March 2014, 04:56:55 pm
Just as well Bigirimana isn;' playing CM with Tiote.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Incognito on Monday 24 March 2014, 05:39:44 pm
Just as well Bigirimana isn;' playing CM with Tiote.


I wouldn't put it past Marriner to confuse Tiote with Anita.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Klaus on Monday 24 March 2014, 07:05:43 pm
Wasnt there a newspaper article about Bigi with a picture of Anita, the mirror i think? :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Monday 24 March 2014, 07:06:58 pm
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1897885_727680553930459_1550575593_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 24 March 2014, 07:27:31 pm
Trick question, it's all 4.

Spoiler
[close]
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Monday 24 March 2014, 08:57:39 pm
Mapou Yangaa-Mbwia, Moussa Sissoko, Papiss Cisse, Mike Williamson.

:smug:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 03:31:48 am
Better ask Saylor for help
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 11:16:10 am

Better ask Saylor for help

"Daint worry Andre lad, they all look the same!"
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 03:31:37 pm
Gibbs and Ox both cleared.

Ox on the grounds that it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity because the shot was going wide. Absolutely crazy decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 03:58:24 pm
That's disgraceful. Ox should get the ban, it was going about a foot wide the ref made the call.

Maybe they could award us the goal Man City?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: reefatoon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 03:58:50 pm
...and yet both decisions went in favour of Man City. Who'd have thunk it?

(http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/pcongiusta/indy10.gif)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 03:59:51 pm
Gibbs and Ox both cleared.

Ox on the grounds that it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity because the shot was going wide. Absolutely crazy decision.

Common sense.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 04:04:19 pm
I think it's mad. So now players can make diving saves in the box, and it's up to the ref to decide if the ball was going in or not?

It was a deliberate handball to prevent the ball going in, that was the intention. I think it's crazy that it's OK just because the ball might have been going slightly wide.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 04:08:13 pm
It's one of those things that I thought that just idiots said, but it's true: the big clubs get away with whatever they want.

Becoming more and more obvious each season; the FA just loves to s*** on anyone who isn't in the CL/title race.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: taxfree on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 04:18:40 pm
I think it's mad. So now players can make diving saves in the box, and it's up to the ref to decide if the ball was going in or not?

It was a deliberate handball to prevent the ball going in, that was the intention. I think it's crazy that it's OK just because the ball might have been going slightly wide.

Definitely this. Ridiculous decision.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 04:29:59 pm
Yet you can get done for 'intent' with a bad tackle. Logic.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 04:43:20 pm
Yet you can get done for 'intent' with a bad tackle. Logic.

Aye, like Coloccini did away at Liverpool. It's the most blatant corruption.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Trumpet on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:43:28 pm
Swansea could well get relegated for this.

clean through on goal, 1 vs. 1 with Szcezney, and the ref blew the full time whistle. Absolutely baffling.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:44:17 pm
Swansea could well get relegated for this.

clean through on goal, 1 vs. 1 with Szcezney, and the ref blew the full time whistle. Absolutely baffling.

Not sure TBH, it was well after 94 minutes. Is there anything that says the final whistle can't stop a chance on goal?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:44:59 pm
Swansea could well get relegated for this.

clean through on goal, 1 vs. 1 with Szcezney, and the ref blew the full time whistle. Absolutely baffling.

Not sure TBH, it was well after 94 minutes. Is there anything that says the final whistle can't stop a chance on goal?

Jesus Ian, always wanting the debate, how can you think it's fair to blow the whistle there? He waited until he was clean on goal to blow ffs.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:46:48 pm
Come at me bro.

Think it's a valid point, would it have been better if he'd blown it 10 seconds earlier, or if the break had started from deeper? Doesn't make sense as an objection, except for the fact that it doesn't happen very often.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 09:48:39 pm
Come at me bro.

Think it's a valid point, would it have been better if he'd blown it 10 seconds earlier, or if the break had started from deeper? Doesn't make sense as an objection, except for the fact that it doesn't happen very often.

Yeah, if it's about time why let Arsenal attack? If he wants to be consistent blow when time is over then, don't wait until De Guzman receives the pass to blow. Could've easily blown 4-5 seconds earlier without problem.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:28:40 pm
Lee Mason was shocking tonight
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:36:47 pm
Yeah, he was woeful. Was the linesman really from Durham?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:37:48 pm
Come at me bro.

Think it's a valid point, would it have been better if he'd blown it 10 seconds earlier, or if the break had started from deeper? Doesn't make sense as an objection, except for the fact that it doesn't happen very often.

Yeah, if it's about time why let Arsenal attack? If he wants to be consistent blow when time is over then, don't wait until De Guzman receives the pass to blow. Could've easily blown 4-5 seconds earlier without problem.

I didn't know he let Arsenal attack, I only saw the highlight of the counter. Who knows, maybe he decided to add another 30 seconds for some reason, but not 50. I don't believe it was a deliberate attempt to stop Swansea winning.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 25 March 2014, 10:41:13 pm
Come at me bro.

Think it's a valid point, would it have been better if he'd blown it 10 seconds earlier, or if the break had started from deeper? Doesn't make sense as an objection, except for the fact that it doesn't happen very often.

Yeah, if it's about time why let Arsenal attack? If he wants to be consistent blow when time is over then, don't wait until De Guzman receives the pass to blow. Could've easily blown 4-5 seconds earlier without problem.

I didn't know he let Arsenal attack, I only saw the highlight of the counter. Who knows, maybe he decided to add another 30 seconds for some reason, but not 50. I don't believe it was a deliberate attempt to stop Swansea winning.
Haven't seen it at all, but it wouldn't be that shocking, would it?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:08:21 am
Yeah, he was woeful. Was the linesman really from Durham?

He's registered with the County Durham FA but from Billingham near Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:16:10 am
Btw we are nailed on to get Mike Dean for the Man Utd game in a few weeks, he's the only ref we haven't had in 2014 so far

2014

Cardiff (H) FAC - Taylor
Man City (h) - Jones
West Ham (a) - Marriner
Norwich (a) - Foy
Sunderland (h) - Dowd
Chelsea (a) - Webb
Spurs (h) - Swarbrick
Villa (h) - Atkinson
Hull (a) - Friend
Fulham (a) - Webb
Palace (h) - Probert
Everton (h)- Mason (replaced Jones)
Southampton (a) - Marriner
Man Utd (h)
Stoke (a)
Swansea (h)
Arsenal (a)
Cardiff (h)
Liverpool (a)
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Roger Kint on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 08:44:42 am
Come at me bro.

Think it's a valid point, would it have been better if he'd blown it 10 seconds earlier, or if the break had started from deeper? Doesn't make sense as an objection, except for the fact that it doesn't happen very often.

Yeah, if it's about time why let Arsenal attack? If he wants to be consistent blow when time is over then, don't wait until De Guzman receives the pass to blow. Could've easily blown 4-5 seconds earlier without problem.

I didn't know he let Arsenal attack, I only saw the highlight of the counter. Who knows, maybe he decided to add another 30 seconds for some reason, but not 50. I don't believe it was a deliberate attempt to stop Swansea winning.

Monk was saying there was 30 seconds left of the minimum when i saw it on SSN this morning.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: geordiesteve710 on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 12:01:40 pm
Come at me bro.

Think it's a valid point, would it have been better if he'd blown it 10 seconds earlier, or if the break had started from deeper? Doesn't make sense as an objection, except for the fact that it doesn't happen very often.

Yeah, if it's about time why let Arsenal attack? If he wants to be consistent blow when time is over then, don't wait until De Guzman receives the pass to blow. Could've easily blown 4-5 seconds earlier without problem.

I didn't know he let Arsenal attack, I only saw the highlight of the counter. Who knows, maybe he decided to add another 30 seconds for some reason, but not 50. I don't believe it was a deliberate attempt to stop Swansea winning.

Monk was saying there was 30 seconds left of the minimum when i saw it on SSN this morning.

In fairness, Monk was applying the sort of 'white van man' logic that always pisses me off with 'there should be a full minute added onto extra time because we scored during it' which as far as I know is horseshit. Whichever way you look at it though it is dodgy as owt, wouldn't have happened the other way round and Swansea have been denied the chance of a crucial win by a referee who has in the past displayed shall we say a pro-Sunderland outlook on matters.

Did anyone else think Osman was lucky to stay on after a bit of a two-footed lunge last night? Don't get the best view of that part of the pitch from my seat but looked a lot like what the same referee correctly sent Debuchy off for at West Brom.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:13:07 pm
The argument for the referee blowing like that is, that when time is up....... is it fair on the defending team to have to keep defending after the game should have been over.

Personally, I would rather see the game time be kept on a stadium score clock (heresy I know), with the referee stopping the clock for goals/injuries etc.  That way everyone knows that there are only 50 seconds or 10 seconds left etc
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:14:51 pm
The argument for the referee blowing like that is, that when time is up....... is it fair on the defending team to have to keep defending after the game should have been over.

Personally, I would rather see the game time be kept on a stadium score clock (heresy I know), with the referee stopping the clock for goals/injuries etc.  That way everyone knows that there are only 50 seconds or 10 seconds left etc

Euw, that's soccer in college, not football in the rest of the world. We need controversies.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 01:23:41 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 09:13:49 pm
And again today.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Wednesday 26 March 2014, 09:14:55 pm
Ref has to be on the mackems payroll
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Monday 31 March 2014, 06:33:41 pm
Btw we are nailed on to get Mike Dean for the Man Utd game in a few weeks, he's the only ref we haven't had in 2014 so far

2014

Cardiff (H) FAC - Taylor
Man City (h) - Jones
West Ham (a) - Marriner
Norwich (a) - Foy
Sunderland (h) - Dowd
Chelsea (a) - Webb
Spurs (h) - Swarbrick
Villa (h) - Atkinson
Hull (a) - Friend
Fulham (a) - Webb
Palace (h) - Probert
Everton (h)- Mason (replaced Jones)
Southampton (a) - Marriner
Man Utd (h)
Stoke (a)
Swansea (h)
Arsenal (a)
Cardiff (h)
Liverpool (a)

Saturday 5th April

Newcastle United v Manchester United

Referee: Kevin Friend (Leicestershire)
Assistant Referees: John Flynn & Richard West
4th Official: Carl Boyeson

Ah well I was wrong  :whistle:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Monday 31 March 2014, 11:14:07 pm
There's nothing about Kevin Friend that doesn't p*ss me off.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Tuesday 1 April 2014, 08:39:15 am
There's nothing about Kevin Friend that doesn't p*ss me off.

Surely you must love the Friend puns the commentators will come out with 15 times a match?.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Atticus on Wednesday 9 April 2014, 12:15:47 pm
Not Premier League, but Scottish Premiership. Can't believe what I've just seen:

http://youtu.be/hidPl7WPOoo?t=3m46s

Firstly, giving a foul is a joke anyway, but then to say the offence happened outside the area? Jesus :lol:

Assistant was on that side as well, could only have been 15 yards away.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 9 April 2014, 12:22:38 pm
Not Premier League, but Scottish Premiership. Can't believe what I've just seen:

http://youtu.be/hidPl7WPOoo?t=3m46s

Firstly, giving a foul is a joke anyway, but then to say the offence happened outside the area? Jesus :lol:

Assistant was on that side as well, could only have been 15 yards away.

Thats awful.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 27 April 2014, 12:51:17 pm
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Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan on Sunday 27 April 2014, 12:51:56 pm
So many things wrong with that one decision  :lol:
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 11 May 2014, 04:51:05 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sima on Sunday 11 May 2014, 04:59:54 pm
Although amusing as it was, Dowd is a useless, velociraptor prick.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:02:46 pm
Disgusting refereeing today. The Premier League is corrupt.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:03:28 pm
Shola's was right wasn't it? Dummett a farce I agree.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Northerngimp on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:04:03 pm
I went to make choclate brownies, we had two players sent off?
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:04:03 pm
You could tell how buzzing he was to be giving a red card, which is why he took so long. Never a f***ing red, like. Just got his tackle all wrong but it wasn't rash or particularly dangerous or a goalscoring opportunity. Never a red.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:04:50 pm
Shola's was right wasn't it? Dummett a farce I agree.

It's only right when it's applied across the board.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:04:52 pm
You could tell how buzzing he was to be giving a red card, which is why he took so long. Never a f***ing red, like. Just got his tackle all wrong but it wasn't rash or particularly dangerous or a goalscoring opportunity. Never a red.

He couldn't keep himself off the cameras from the disallowed goals. He loved every bit of it.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: geordiesteve710 on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:06:49 pm
As funny as it was to see Shola sent off, I do wonder how many times he has been in that exact same situation with a Rooney or a Gerrard who won't stop screaming at him, and backed down without a wimper.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Mike on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:08:32 pm
Lip readers blush when a decision doesn't go Rooney's way.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 11 May 2014, 05:30:24 pm
The first view of their goalscorer (after the goal) I saw was Agger fouling Shola which was seconds before they scored, so I don't blame the lad for being a bit p*ssed off about it.

Dummet, although a weird challenge was never a red in a million years. The fact Dowd paused, went over to the Liverpool captain and basically asked him what to do says everything I think about that decision.

Complete farce!
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: midds on Sunday 11 May 2014, 07:05:24 pm
Dowd always waits until the 4th official has a look at the replay and tells him if it was a red or a yellow. He generally gets praise for 'waiting and not acting to hastily' but he's just getting the opinion of some c*** who's had the benefit of several slow-motion replays before he pulls a card out. Happens every time man.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 11 May 2014, 07:06:02 pm
Dowd always waits until the 4th official has a look at the replay and tells him if it was a red or a yellow. He generally gets praise for 'waiting and not acting to hastily' but he's just getting the opinion of some c*** who's had the benefit of several slow-motion replays before he pulls a card out. Happens every time man.

How it should be anyway imo.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 11 May 2014, 08:11:43 pm
Dowd always waits until the 4th official has a look at the replay and tells him if it was a red or a yellow. He generally gets praise for 'waiting and not acting to hastily' but he's just getting the opinion of some c*** who's had the benefit of several slow-motion replays before he pulls a card out. Happens every time man.

How it should be anyway imo.

The ref should always take a moment rather than make a rash decision but Gerrard was blatantly telling him what went on.

The FA/refs should be a lot stricter on the players influencing the ref. If a player runs up to them they should be immediately booked. Never going to happen mind.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Varadi on Sunday 11 May 2014, 08:14:45 pm
As funny as it was to see Shola sent off, I do wonder how many times he has been in that exact same situation with a Rooney or a Gerrard who won't stop screaming at him, and backed down without a wimper.

Exactly. Ridiculous double standards. Dowd is a corrupt fat piece of s****.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Foluwashola on Sunday 11 May 2014, 08:19:04 pm
As funny as it was to see Shola sent off, I do wonder how many times he has been in that exact same situation with a Rooney or a Gerrard who won't stop screaming at him, and backed down without a wimper.

Exactly. Ridiculous double standards. Dowd is a corrupt fat piece of s****.

:thup: Shola's dissent looked nothing like the vitriol players of Chelsea/Man U/City send the referees' way each week.

And the Dummett red? f*** off man. As desperate as everyone else to see the tramps win.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sifu on Sunday 11 May 2014, 08:55:29 pm
Phil Dowd showed new levels of incompetence today. The blatant favouritism towards Liverpool was disgusting. He's trying too hard to be the new Howard Webb, f***ing useless c***. The referees in this country man, f***ing dicks (the PL are equally to blame as well).
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Sunday 11 May 2014, 09:24:54 pm
Shola's was right wasn't it? Dummett a farce I agree.
As everyone has said, if Shola's sending off was correct then most teams would have a few players sent off every game for swearing at the ref.

Phil Dowd kept giving Liverpool free kicks that were never fouls. He must be the only ref who doesn't know Suarez likes to dive. We never seem to get decisions either. Liverpool players would go steaming into our players and it was rarely a foul. Only one of their players was booked.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/liverpool-fc-2-newcastle-united-7095537

Quote
And in Dowd’s final game in the Premier League he booked the striker for protesting.

I don't know if that is true but if it is it may explain why he did what he did. He wanted his last game to be remembered the fat c***.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Monday 12 May 2014, 09:24:13 am
Dowd loves being centre of attention. Absolutely vile referee.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 12 May 2014, 10:44:03 am
Where are all of the good referees? Mike Dean's the only one that I think is decent and he's still prone to a fairly regular f*** up.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Monday 12 May 2014, 10:46:22 am
I don't have a huge problem with them making mistakes as it's only human. Dowd is just one of those guys that would rather make the front page than make a good decision.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Monday 12 May 2014, 12:07:32 pm
As funny as it was to see Shola sent off, I do wonder how many times he has been in that exact same situation with a Rooney or a Gerrard who won't stop screaming at him, and backed down without a wimper.

Exactly. Ridiculous double standards. Dowd is a corrupt fat piece of s****.

Guess how many of these were sent off?

(http://i.imgur.com/5ahLIO7.jpg)

or did he here

(http://i.imgur.com/L0CyM64.jpg)
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Walter on Monday 12 May 2014, 02:34:24 pm
http://swol.co/liverpool-2-newcastle-united-1--stokebased-ref-costs-magpies-12m--rough-justice-for-sho/34301

The real winners of today's decisions were Stoke City, who moved up a place in the Premier League thanks to Stoke City fan Dowd, and gained £1.2m
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: NUFC on Tuesday 13 May 2014, 07:32:50 pm
Dummet red card been recinded
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: ikri on Tuesday 13 May 2014, 07:53:44 pm
Dummet red card been recinded

Woohoo?  If he's anywhere near the starting XI at the beginning of next season we're f***ed.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 13 May 2014, 08:16:25 pm
That's huge for next season. :lol:
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 13 May 2014, 08:17:28 pm
So THAT is the red card we get rescinded. f***ing Paul Dummett.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Cajun on Tuesday 13 May 2014, 08:30:30 pm
So THAT is the red card we get rescinded. f***ing Paul Dummett.

I was hoping for Shola as well but small mercies :(
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 13 May 2014, 08:31:54 pm
Suarez will doubtless start rolling around screaming again when he hears the news.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ash on Tuesday 13 May 2014, 08:34:59 pm
So THAT is the red card we get rescinded. f***ing Paul Dummett.

I was hoping for Shola as well but small mercies :(

Shola's couldn't be rescinded.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Beren on Wednesday 14 May 2014, 08:58:02 am
That's huge for next season. :lol:

:lol: :anguish:
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:38:13 pm
Reckon he just made stuff up as he went a long today
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Recoba on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:39:09 pm
This ref was the worst.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:53:19 pm
Reckon he just made stuff up as he went a long today

Nah, he was gasping to give everything to Liverpool. If I'd be a scouser I'd have been trying to win a pen, they'd have got it.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:54:18 pm
Reckon he just made stuff up as he went a long today

Nah, he was gasping to give everything to Liverpool. If I'd be a scouser I'd have been trying to win a pen, they'd have got it.

Not sure about that tbh, we were lucky to keep 11 on the pitch.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Begbie on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:56:43 pm
Mariner got a signed Gerrard shirt..
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:58:57 pm
Reckon he just made stuff up as he went a long today

Nah, he was gasping to give everything to Liverpool. If I'd be a scouser I'd have been trying to win a pen, they'd have got it.

Not sure about that tbh, we were lucky to keep 11 on the pitch.

Who should have gone? Didn't see anything warranting a second yellow or a red at the time albeit I've not seen anything back.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 1 November 2014, 03:59:31 pm
Reckon he just made stuff up as he went a long today

Nah, he was gasping to give everything to Liverpool. If I'd be a scouser I'd have been trying to win a pen, they'd have got it.

Not sure about that tbh, we were lucky to keep 11 on the pitch.

Who should have gone? Didn't see anything warranting a second yellow or a red at the time albeit I've not seen anything back.
Janmaat on balotelli was a straight red.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:00:26 pm
Haven't seen a replay but Balotelli looked like he fouled Abeid in the process to that
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:00:54 pm
Haven't seen a replay but Balotelli looked like he fouled Abeid in the process to that

He did. Ref knew he'd exacerbated the situation when he booked Janmaat.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Disco on Saturday 1 November 2014, 04:02:22 pm
Reckon he just made stuff up as he went a long today

Nah, he was gasping to give everything to Liverpool. If I'd be a scouser I'd have been trying to win a pen, they'd have got it.

Not sure about that tbh, we were lucky to keep 11 on the pitch.

Who should have gone? Didn't see anything warranting a second yellow or a red at the time albeit I've not seen anything back.
Janmaat on balotelli was a straight red.

No chance.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: maybe_next_year on Saturday 1 November 2014, 10:37:51 pm
Janmaat was lucky to avoid a second yellow at one point.

Today was easily one of the worst ref performances I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 1 November 2014, 10:56:35 pm
The Janmaat incident happened because the s*** c*** of a ref refused to blow for about three fouls in the build up. Sammy was hailed over, a Liverpool player was pushed off the ball, another one of our lads got clattered, then Janmaat went flying in. Completely let the situation get out of hand.

East Stand linesman was typically myopic too, s****.
Title: Re: Dowdawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 1 November 2014, 11:06:21 pm
Janmaat was lucky to avoid a second yellow at one point.

Today was easily one of the worst ref performances I've seen in a long time.
Did you not watch the league cup game against Man City?
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 2 November 2014, 02:30:05 pm
Michael Oliver is putting in one of the worst performances I've seen so far. Two blatant penalties, Rojo red card, Hart thundering into him without punishment. Dreadful referee.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ryan on Sunday 2 November 2014, 02:53:55 pm

Michael Oliver is putting in one of the worst performances I've seen so far. Two blatant penalties, Rojo red card, Hart thundering into him without punishment. Dreadful referee.

The Rojo tackle was excellent when you see the slow motion replay. I thought it was a stonewall penalty in real time like.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 2 November 2014, 03:05:42 pm
Yup, got the ball. First would have been soft too IMO.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 2 November 2014, 03:32:29 pm
I think Oliver's a top ref, nobody can get every decision right but more often than not you can at least understand why he makes the calls he does.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 2 November 2014, 03:40:23 pm
Oliver's generally an under the radar ref, which usually means they're alright. Terrible today imo, though.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: Sammys_Tekkers on Sunday 2 November 2014, 03:52:14 pm
I like Oliver, but he had a poor game today. Think he got the Rojo decision correct, wonderful tackle.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: SiLvOR on Sunday 2 November 2014, 03:55:27 pm
City players do seem to get away with murder on a weekly basis. f*** is Joe Hart doing being up in the ref's face like that.
Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Officiating
Post by: JH on Sunday 2 November 2014, 05:42:10 pm
City players do seem to get away with murder on a weekly basis. f*** is Joe Hart doing being up in the ref's face like that.

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Title: Re: Godawful Premier League Offi