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Title: Salomón Rondón
Post by: dtd on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:18:31 pm
13 years since we last broke our transfer record, and THIS is the guy we're going to do it with?

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RAFA BENITEZ must break Newcastle’s transfer record for hitman Salomon Rondon.

Toon’s boss is ready to pay the West Brom striker’s £16.5million release clause to boost his attack for next term.

That will top the club’s long-standing record fee of £16m they paid for Michael Owen in 2005.

Rondon, 28, who joined the Baggies from Zenit St Petersburg in 2015, has hit 24 goals in 108 league appearances at The Hawthorns.

He is poised to move to the North East after the two clubs made contact last week over a deal.

Rondon is keen to stay in the Premier League following West Brom’s relegation, despite hitting ten goals last season.

Cardiff City are among those also interested in singing Rondon after reaching the Premier League once again.

The Venezuelan has always looked likely to be one of those to leave the Birmingham club after their relegation.

His release clause leaves the Baggies vulnerable to a bid that matches the sum

But it would be decent money to spend on more experienced Championship performers to fire them back to the Premier League - something cross-town rivals Birmingham City and Aston Villa have not managed since dropping into the second tier.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:20:51 pm
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:26:55 pm
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24 goals in 108 league appearances at The Hawthorns.


Prolific!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:27:09 pm
Erghhhh, please no. Seriously.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:30:03 pm
I figured a thread might jinx the whole thing as per usual.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:30:51 pm
Wouldn't mind him if he replaced Gayle but can't see him scoring enough to be the main man up front.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:31:56 pm
I figured a thread might jinx the whole thing as per usual.
f***ing hope so.

If he's second choice behind Pléa then I'd be okay with it but f*** off with him being our first choice.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:34:12 pm
Really don't see the point of replacing a player like Mitro for a player like Mitro albeit more mobile
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: triggs on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:40:54 pm
I figured a thread might jinx the whole thing as per usual.
f***ing hope so.

If he's second choice behind Pléa then I'd be okay with it but f*** off with him being our first choice.
We're not paying 16.5m for a second choice
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sbnufc on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:42:43 pm
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24 goals in 108 league appearances at The Hawthorns.


Prolific!

Its West Brom though :lol: He's been their top scorer all 3 seasons he's been there, in teams managed by Pulis, Megson and Pardew

He'll probably won't be prolific 25+ per season goalscorer but he's an upgrade on what we have. With some Rafa coaching he'll be decent or less than £20m
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:47:49 pm
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24 goals in 108 league appearances at The Hawthorns.


Prolific!

Its West Brom though :lol: He's been their top scorer all 3 seasons he's been there, in teams managed by Pulis, Megson and Pardew

He'll probably won't be prolific 25+ per season goalscorer but he's an upgrade on what we have. With some Rafa coaching he'll be decent or less than £20m

That's a fair point but buying a 28 year old striker, who has a poor record is hardly inspiring stuff
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: reefatoon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 12:58:27 pm
It’s not Joselu, so I am pleased.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:08:01 pm
If we can get a couple of wingers and a number 10 all capable of chipping in goals he will be a good signing imo.

I know ifs, buts and maybes ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:10:51 pm
I'd be okay with Rondon. Wouldn't be my first choice, or the most inspiring signing - but I like how he plays; he's more than just a big lump upfront, he can drop in and play a little, bringing others into the game better than any of our current options. I'm also optimistic that Rafa can get his 10 goals last season up to 15 which could prove really important, especially if Perez keeps his form up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Willow on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:14:36 pm
Would be a side-grade in my opinion, so I don't see much sense in this move if it happens. I'd only be happy if he was secondary to another incoming bigger/better striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:16:38 pm
Would be a side-grade in my opinion, so I don't see much sense in this move if it happens. I'd only be happy if he was secondary to another incoming bigger/better striker.

He's better than Gayle & Joselu, no question about it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: thomas on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:17:02 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/LydgigP.gif)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wormy on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:31:40 pm
For all of those that are worried, don't be. It says Cardiff are also interested. How can we compete?  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dave on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:36:08 pm
 :joey:
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Odear on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:39:05 pm
In fairness to Joselu, his 4 or 5 goals he scored over the season more than made up for the tiny transfer fee.

He was never lazy or never made an effort for us.. just simply not good enough at this level.

Could we not use him as a makeweight in any deal with a relegated club? He could well do much better in the championship.

Don’t know much about Rondon other than he’s a big strong f***er who caused us problems when we played them. If Rafa wants him than fair enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:45:02 pm
Think he'll be amazing under Rafa.

He's an absolute monster of a centre forward, and he'll get more chances created for him in our team.

Would be happy with this signing for sure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HawK on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:45:39 pm
Glad the thread was started, will put this to bed once and for all.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SteveMc on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:53:21 pm
I like him. Under Rafa I think he’ll be an asset
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Anderson on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:54:52 pm
Bloody hell, thought all the rumours with this one were because he was available on a free or something.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 01:58:02 pm
I've always liked him since he reacted in such a sincere, regretful way to accidentally breaking James McCarthy's leg a few years ago. Sure he was brought to tears on the pitch having realised what happened. Clearly a sound bloke, would work well under the guidance of Rafa.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Interpolic on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:01:45 pm
Spend an extra £10m and get someone good pls.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:08:50 pm
I could live with Regards Rondon if they do upgrade our wide attacking options as has been mooted. Kenedy and Townsend behind him would be decent. Would still prefer to see another though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:08:52 pm
Spend an extra £10m and get someone good pls.

(https://i.imgur.com/vzpZeFt.gif)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: McCormick on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:22:14 pm
Rondon seems to be really underrated on here. The guy is an absolute beast and well worth 18 million in this market.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:28:24 pm
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24 goals in 108 league appearances at The Hawthorns.


Prolific!

Not really his fault he's played for Pardew, Pulis etc etc tbf.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:30:09 pm
Rondon seems to be really underrated on here. The guy is an absolute beast and well worth 18 million in this market.

based on what?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: STM on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:34:55 pm
He's a better bet than Jorgensen and probably Slimani too.

Rafa will make Rondon a key player. His off the ball running and hold up play will make him vital to us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LRD on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:38:54 pm
We still need a striker who can score goals. Ayoze was our highest scorer at 8 goals and unless Rondon can bring out any goal-scoring miracle in those behind him, we will need better.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Greg on Sunday 8 July 2018, 02:49:47 pm
Good fit for Rafa and better than what we've got.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ElDiablo on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:09:32 pm
That's the going rate for players of his ability. Replacement for Mitro - fine with that. I just hope we go after another striker, but I've got a feeling this will be it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: McCormick on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:13:39 pm
Rondon seems to be really underrated on here. The guy is an absolute beast and well worth 18 million in this market.

based on what?

Based on his physicality? Very strong, reasonably fast and dominant in the air. I mean yeah, his goal tally is less than impressive sure, but the service he's been receiving has been dire. The guy never stops too, and reading West Brom fans' opinions on him seem to confirim that he's got a great attitude; they love him.

Like I said, for 18 odd million or whatever he's decent value even at 28. Lesser players will go for more this summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:14:39 pm
No chance we are breaking our transfer record on Rondon, then going after another striker to play ahead of him. This will be it sadly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:15:55 pm
I like him, obviously I’d rather have someone more expensive and more exciting but this is Newcastle under Mike Ashley.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HTT on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:16:30 pm
When will people realise that it’s not so much about how prolific a striker is, but what he brings to the team in terms of his game and Robson would seem to be a good fit.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:22:39 pm
When will people realise that it’s not so much about how prolific a striker is, but what he brings to the team in terms of his game and Robson would seem to be a good fit.

Who is Robson?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:24:34 pm
It's more tickling our transfer record than breaking it [emoji38]
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:25:28 pm
Good fit for Rafa and better than what we've got.
Absolutely
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:28:58 pm
He's a bag of w***.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:29:25 pm
Really don't see the point of replacing a player like Mitro for a player like Mitro albeit more mobile
Haven't seen too much of Rondon tbh but looks an upgrade on what we've got. Likely not the 20+ goal scorer we have sorely been missing for years though which is the difference between lower half scrapping to upper safety every year. As mention this is the grim reality of our club under Ashley. Benitez has and a lost of players that would excite the s*** out of us and him and are willing to come to the club. The club is only willing to fund the c list.

Regarding Mitro it wasn't his style of play that stopped him getting picked here. If we get a more teachable and compliant version of Mitro with extra pace I would be happy.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: McCormick on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:38:53 pm
He's a bag of w***.

But... he's not though.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: STM on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:39:19 pm
The problem is, the second you start spending 25m on a striker they expect to get 90/100k a week and we simply aren't paying that.

Rondon might get 80k and that's our ceiling, I reckon.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: George Bailey on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:39:33 pm
He's a bag of w***.
O0

Not good enough to be our main striker or main asset purchase. We need a 15+ goals a season striker  and he falls way short of that ability imo.
May be a good worker but we surely must be able to find better value somewhere.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:40:25 pm
When will people realise that it’s not so much about how prolific a striker is, but what he brings to the team in terms of his game and Robson would seem to be a good fit.

Who is Robson?

Typo striker we could benefit from!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:41:58 pm
He's a bag of w***.

But... he's not though.

He is though. Zenit had no trouble replacing him with Russian League forwards and he's been nothing but average for West Brom. One of the main reasons they finished bottom of the league last season was his lack of goals.

He's not really developed as a player technically since he came through, a blunt instrument with limited ability. He's more mobile than Mitrovic, but other than that he'd barely be an upgrade.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:42:47 pm
Rondon really is a tremendous physical presence, while still being mobile and pretty athletic. I really like his potential to really help Ayoze be an even better player. His physicality and hold up play will benefit Perez so much.

This will prove to be a really great move if it goes through.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Altamullan on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:43:29 pm
 :lol: yep. Either of the Bryans or Bobby, in their pomp, would do nicely!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:45:24 pm
He's a bag of w***.

But... he's not though.

He is though. Zenit had no trouble replacing him with Russian League forwards and he's been nothing but average for West Brom. One of the main reasons they finished bottom of the league last season was his lack of goals.

He's not really developed as a player technically since he came through, a blunt instrument with limited ability. He's more mobile than Mitrovic, but other than that he'd barely an upgrade.

I disagree. That's like saying Mitrovic was one of the main reasons we went down a few seasons ago. It was clearly the management, s**** defending and lack of creativity over Mitrovic's goalscoring.

Think Rondon has shown he's a more than useful player and I'd back Rafa to get him firing into double figures. Wasn't far off last season under awful management in a terrible team.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:45:36 pm
28 and dogshit. Ffs.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Varadi on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:45:42 pm
Think he's OK, but given what Rafa did with Diame he could be like a combination of Lukaku and Ronaldo this time next year  :)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:48:09 pm
He’s ok and that’s it but was hoping we would sign a striker we could be excited about, silly me
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:49:53 pm
The reason WBA went down is because of Pardew!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:52:04 pm
Hear this so many times at the bottom with strikers that if you put them in a better team then they'll score more goal, doesn't really work out like that.  Rondon would barely improve us imo, we need someone who can score goals as we showed we can create them in the 2nd half of last season.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Sunday 8 July 2018, 03:54:33 pm
Hear this so many times at the bottom with strikers that if you put them in a better team then they'll score more goal, doesn't really work out like that.  Rondon would barely improve us imo, we need someone who can score goals as we showed we can create them in the 2nd half of last season.

.

We won’t pay the going the rate for one though so we have to kind of compromise and look at players who could improve how we play and hope others get enough goals to compensate for lack of a goal scorer.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mighty__mag on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:02:34 pm
This is a wind up, right?

Are they teasing us each season, Joselu was a punishment, and now we are having the p*ss took out of us again with this?

Has to be a wind up.


One way not to get season tickets renewed. So underwhelming.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:08:59 pm
Selling Mitrovic and signing Rondon with the money seems like a waste of time to me. I would be disappointed.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:09:14 pm
I hope he does sign now tbh, he's been way underrated in here it seems. I watched him a fair bit over the last season and he was consistently West Brom's best player. Ended the season with something like 10 goals and 4 assists in a team which rarely won matches. Yes he's not exactly clinical, but £16m is a great fee for him. The whole transfer record thing is purely academic.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:18:45 pm
I'm shocked by this as well :lol:

Rondon is an absolute terror. Such a fantastic presence up front. Genuinely think that he would make us a much better team.

I could see him getting at least 15 goals, and his general play allowing those around him to get more goals too.

He'd suit us perfectly. He'd make us so much more intimidating higher up the pitch. Shocked anyone would compare him to Joselu. That is just crazy. That guy is so mild.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:21:33 pm
The comparisons to Mitrovic are understandable but from what I've seen, Rondon knows how to use his strength a lot better. He's also more mobile.

I think he's alright and would be a decent enough signing. Would be great if he was one of two striking imports.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mighty__mag on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:23:16 pm
You would have to be off your tits thinking he will get 15 playing for us.

Comical.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: George Bailey on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:24:36 pm
I'm shocked by this as well :lol:

Rondon is an absolute terror. Such a fantastic presence up front. Genuinely think that he would make us a much better team.

I could see him getting at least 15 goals, and his general play allowing those around him to get more goals too.

He'd suit us perfectly. He'd make us so much more intimidating higher up the pitch. Shocked anyone would compare him to Joselu. That is just crazy. That guy is so mild.

Why?? He has never once managed it in all his years playing anywhere??
At best he can certainly be described as a hard working player, well woop dee f***ing doo.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HawK on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:33:18 pm
Mitrovic really is a tremendous physical presence, while still being mobile and pretty athletic. I really like his potential to really help Ayoze be an even better player. His physicality and hold up play will benefit Perez so much.

This will prove to be a really great move if it goes through.

Fyp
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:33:31 pm
If he could score 10 for that West Brom team, he will score 15 for us easily.

The number of chances we threw away last season man. You must be joking!

Check his record for Zenit, when he was actually on a team with talent around him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:34:32 pm
Mitrovic really is a tremendous physical presence, while still being mobile and pretty athletic. I really like his potential to really help Ayoze be an even better player. His physicality and hold up play will benefit Perez so much.

This will prove to be a really great move if it goes through.

Fyp

Mitro has good presence too, but nothing like Rondon's IMO.

Rondon also runs the channels and can run with the ball at his feet to far better effect. He is a mobile striker.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:35:00 pm
I’m old enough to remember when we had two legitimate goal-scoring strikers in Ba and Cisse.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:36:04 pm
If he could score 10 for that West Brom team, he will score 15 for us easily.

It never works out like that.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:36:22 pm
If he could score 10 for that West Brom team, he will score 15 for us easily.

The number of chances we threw away last season man. You must be joking!

Check his record for Zenit, when he was actually on a team with talent around him.

Bro, the Russian league is complete ass
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Interpolic on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:38:20 pm
I’m old enough to remember when we had two legitimate goal-scoring strikers in Ba and Cisse.
So's my 8 year old cousin.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:40:51 pm
Really like him everytime I see him play. Guy is great in the air, has a powerful shot on him, and puts himself about. His hold up play is top notch too.

Better team and direction and he will get goals and help the team score more too I believe.

Guess we will see. No point arguing over this. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HawK on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:41:40 pm
Kaka you've got more belief in this guy than his agent does.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: pbxtn on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:41:45 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:45:21 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.

Why are we being so protective over this transfer record though?  :lol: We're miles behind other clubs in terms of fees, to the point where breaking our record by a million or so would rightly get us a decent player, nothing world class or anything close. The transfer record thing is academic.

In terms of Mitrovic v Rondon, if the only difference between the two is that Rafa thinks he can work with one better, than that's potentially a huge difference in end result.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:46:08 pm
To be fair to him he played in a team that was set up to frustrate and nick wins, if i'm not mistake under Tony Pulis W.B.A were always one of lowest scorers in the league.

While the fee if we pay it will be a record, prices today mean i'm not going to judge him on it, hard working, mobile and if he plays for Rafa i think he'll score a fair few.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:48:13 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.

Why are we being so protective over this transfer record though?  :lol: We're miles behind other clubs in terms of fees, to the point where breaking our record by a million or so would rightly get us a decent player, nothing world class or anything close. The transfer record thing is academic.

In terms of Mitrovic v Rondon, if the only difference between the two is that Rafa thinks he can work with one better, than that's potentially a huge difference in end result.

age as well. Rondon will not improve now
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:50:04 pm
That's fine imo, he's 28 so supposedly in his prime. It's perhaps not about him improving, but more being able to play to his fullest potential which I doubt he ever reached in a terrible WBA team. IRWT and all that :thup:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:53:24 pm
The signing of Rondon would be such a disappointment after ‘bidding’ on Plea
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: pbxtn on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:54:29 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.

Why are we being so protective over this transfer record though?  :lol: We're miles behind other clubs in terms of fees, to the point where breaking our record by a million or so would rightly get us a decent player, nothing world class or anything close. The transfer record thing is academic.

In terms of Mitrovic v Rondon, if the only difference between the two is that Rafa thinks he can work with one better, than that's potentially a huge difference in end result.

Fair enough. Perhaps I should have phrased that as I'm not sure his signing would justify spending what would undoubtedly be the majority of our budget.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 8 July 2018, 04:57:40 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.

Why are we being so protective over this transfer record though?  :lol: We're miles behind other clubs in terms of fees, to the point where breaking our record by a million or so would rightly get us a decent player, nothing world class or anything close. The transfer record thing is academic.

In terms of Mitrovic v Rondon, if the only difference between the two is that Rafa thinks he can work with one better, than that's potentially a huge difference in end result.

Fair enough. Perhaps I should have phrased that as I'm not sure his signing would justify spending what would undoubtedly be the majority of our budget.

Not sure we have a budget per se, and i doubt this lad will come in until Mitro goes out, in fact we'll be making money on the deal. No that any of it fills you full of optimism like.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:00:42 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.

Why are we being so protective over this transfer record though?  :lol: We're miles behind other clubs in terms of fees, to the point where breaking our record by a million or so would rightly get us a decent player, nothing world class or anything close. The transfer record thing is academic.

In terms of Mitrovic v Rondon, if the only difference between the two is that Rafa thinks he can work with one better, than that's potentially a huge difference in end result.

Fair enough. Perhaps I should have phrased that as I'm not sure his signing would justify spending what would undoubtedly be the majority of our budget.

Sorry man, I wasn't trying to shut down your point or anything, I just think we can't expect to get a spectacular player by breaking our transfer record anymore - such is how far behind we are in terms of spending. Either way we need a striker, and whoever Rafa chooses to be the man will almost certainly cost £15m plus. If that happens to be Rondon we of course have to just get behind him. He could come good and certainly surprise a few :thup:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Zero on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:03:27 pm
To be honest, if it isn't Rafa, dumping Mitrovic for Rondon would be one of the most idiotic move I have ever seen.

I know, Rafa knows best. I know.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:05:02 pm
To be honest, if it isn't Rafa, dumping Mitrovic for Rondon would be one of the most idiotic move I have ever seen.

I know, Rafa knows best. I know.

How come though? We haven't seen it happen yet. It could be a stroke a genius. Why so sure Rondon will be s***?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mr Logic on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:06:06 pm
Mitro + 25%? Might be enough, but not that inspiring on paper. If we sell Mitro for 20-22m that's a definite improvement I suppose.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what Rafa does with him, and maybe, maybe...  it means the wings are getting upgrades and real competition for Perez.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Greg on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:07:00 pm
With Rafa it's about the function of the team above anything else really. I've seen Rondon a fair amount and he's far better than is being made out by most on here. I think he'd work really well in Rafa's system and given the going rate for strikers these days and remembering where we are these days it would be a decent signing. Not great, not amazing, not massively exiting but decent, because he's better than what we've got and would no doubt improve us.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:09:02 pm
He's welcome here for the right price.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mighty__mag on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:14:19 pm
Mitro scored 9 in his first season at a new club,under one of the worst managers in history, he didn't play a full season due to injury and suspension or not being selected.

Rondon has never hit double figures in 3 seasons of PL footy.

I'd wager he would likely never hit double figures in the prem. Some of his stats are not the best either.

Obviously Rafa will turn him into a star over night according to some fans, but in fairness to Rafa he focuses on the defensive game first, and that's likely why our goal tally is so lame.

Im no stats guru but im sure I'm not far off the mark.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:23:22 pm
The signing of Rondon would be such a disappointment after ‘bidding’ on Plea
I'm clearly out of touch with European football tbh but was Plea a big deal and were people here clamouring over him before the links? Prefaced with the first line I honestly hadnt heard of him, which is embarrassing but had everyone?

Is it more of a case of being drawn into sexy "next big thing press hype" European goalscorer with pace over getting big lumping relegated forward more than anything else? Rafa clearly wants a Slimani/Mitro/Joselu focal point type which Plea isn't by the sounds of it.

I'm hoping if we get Rondon we also flog Gayle and bring a pacey/creative forward. The creative part could be alleviated if we do bring in an AM as mooted.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:27:57 pm
If Rafa wants him then I guess...but not exactly someone who's going to bag goals or get the crowd excited in the slightest.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:28:47 pm
The signing of Rondon would be such a disappointment after ‘bidding’ on Plea
I'm clearly out of touch with European football tbh but was Plea a big deal and were people here clamouring over him before the links? Prefaced with the first line I honestly hadnt heard of him, which is embarrassing but had everyone?

Is it more of a case of being drawn into sexy "next big thing press hype" European goalscorer with pace over getting big lumping relegated forward more than anything else? Rafa clearly wants a Slimani/Mitro/Joselu focal point type which Plea isn't by the sounds of it.

I'm hoping if we get Rondon we also flog Gayle and bring a pacey/creative forward. The creative part could be alleviated if we do bring in an AM as mooted.

I’ve said before I just like Plea, I’ve bet him first/anytime GS quite a bit last season. Not claiming to know all about him, I personally would be more excited bout him than Rondon.

Being very average with another PL team isn’t very exciting
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:29:19 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.

Why are we being so protective over this transfer record though?  :lol: We're miles behind other clubs in terms of fees, to the point where breaking our record by a million or so would rightly get us a decent player, nothing world class or anything close. The transfer record thing is academic.

In terms of Mitrovic v Rondon, if the only difference between the two is that Rafa thinks he can work with one better, than that's potentially a huge difference in end result.
Was going to post this. Spot on. If we get Kennedy and or Townsend they will both surpass the Rondon fee and both would be going rate for average to good players now.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mr Logic on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:36:49 pm
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jose-salomon-rondon/marktwertverlauf/spieler/80197

Have his value at £11.7m fwiw.

Never seen the site before so no idea how accurate/inaccurate they might be. Lots of stats though, interesting when you compare them to Mitro's on same site.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:37:28 pm
The signing of Rondon would be such a disappointment after ‘bidding’ on Plea
I'm clearly out of touch with European football tbh but was Plea a big deal and were people here clamouring over him before the links? Prefaced with the first line I honestly hadnt heard of him, which is embarrassing but had everyone?

Is it more of a case of being drawn into sexy "next big thing press hype" European goalscorer with pace over getting big lumping relegated forward more than anything else? Rafa clearly wants a Slimani/Mitro/Joselu focal point type which Plea isn't by the sounds of it.

I'm hoping if we get Rondon we also flog Gayle and bring a pacey/creative forward. The creative part could be alleviated if we do bring in an AM as mooted.

I’ve said before I just like Plea, I’ve bet him first/anytime GS quite a bit last season. Not claiming to know all about him, I personally would be more excited bout him than Rondon.

Being very average with another PL team isn’t very exciting
:thup:     


Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thenige on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:44:43 pm
Personally think he’s significantly better than the majority here seem to think. Anyone who has watched WBA the last few years will understand why his goal scoring record isn’t exactly prolific.

Definitely the type of player Rafa can get the best out of - strong, good in the air, follows instructions and works his bollocks off.

Definitely needs players around him mind, so either a new No. 10 (or an in-form Perez) with Townsend and Kenedy either side will make us a far bigger threat than we were last season.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:45:02 pm
With Rafa it's about the function of the team above anything else really. I've seen Rondon a fair amount and he's far better than is being made out by most on here. I think he'd work really well in Rafa's system and given the going rate for strikers these days and remembering where we are these days it would be a decent signing. Not great, not amazing, not massively exiting but decent, because he's better than what we've got and would no doubt improve us.

Would he improve us? Yes! He would get into my XI over any of our forwards and is someone who I could see Perez linking up well with too, although it doesn’t mean much when our forwards are Gayle, Mitrovic and Joselu.

He’s not a great player and if he is to be our main man I’d be a tad disappointed because I’d think we could do better if we pushed the budget further a bit more, but at the prices quoted, I’d welcome him as a signing and have confidence in Rafa getting the best out of him. he was highly thought of at one point and considered a real prospect, a beast of a striker who seems to have become some kind of battering ram at WBA which benefitted them at times, but not in general.

I’d rather we went out and offered 20m plus for someone like Abraham mind over Rondon who I feel at that price Chelsea would consider, especially if we gave them a buy back option or inticed them with clauses that could see them earn more if he hit certain targets or something.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: nufcjb on Sunday 8 July 2018, 05:58:21 pm
Would be ok if he signed but ffs, to break our long-standing transfer record for this guy? Underwhelming would be an understatement.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gorilla on Sunday 8 July 2018, 06:15:56 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.
3.1 goals per game is pretty epic. Sign him up must be worth over 200 million.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Sunday 8 July 2018, 06:17:14 pm
We need to accept that our record transfer fee means nothing today. Back then it bought you a Michael Owen who would cost us 30m plus today easily if not a whole lot more. Now random clubs are spending more than our record fee on random players. Breaking our record on a player like Rondon shouldn’t be measured against him ability wise. Alan Shearer today would coat over 100m and while he would be worth every penny, someone like Warren a argon would cost you 20m or more. Just spend what we can on players that improve us and bring something different to the table, if that means breaking our laughable Victorian like transfer record on a player like Rondon so be it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 8 July 2018, 06:22:11 pm
Would be ok if he signed but ffs, to break our long-standing transfer record for this guy? Underwhelming would be an understatement.

Not sure you can judge Rondon on our current transfer record, i mean it's been kept low because of Ashley's refusal to spend over £15m on any given player, so much so we heard how Graham Carr even stopped recommending players in that bracket because he knew the price made them non starters.

The going rate has far outstripped our transfer record, we're like 5 years or so behind most teams in terms of fees for the bigger transfers.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 8 July 2018, 06:24:31 pm
Greg has nailed it for me like.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mr Logic on Sunday 8 July 2018, 06:28:35 pm
We need to accept that our record transfer fee means nothing today. Back then it bought you a Michael Owen who would cost us 30m plus today easily if not a whole lot more. Now random clubs are spending more than our record fee on random players. Breaking our record on a player like Rondon shouldn’t be measured against him ability wise. Alan Shearer today would coat over 100m and while he would be worth every penny, someone like Warren a argon would cost you 20m or more. Just spend what we can on players that improve us and bring something different to the table, if that means breaking our laughable Victorian like transfer record on a player like Rondon so be it.

Not sure you can judge Rondon on our current transfer record, i mean it's been kept low because of Ashley's refusal to spend over £15m on any given player, so much so we heard how Graham Carr even stopped recommending players in that bracket because he knew the price made them non starters.

The going rate has far outstripped our transfer record, we're like 5 years or behind most teams in terms of fees for the bigger transfers.

Greg has nailed it for me like.

..........searches for Greg's post.............

With Rafa it's about the function of the team above anything else really. I've seen Rondon a fair amount and he's far better than is being made out by most on here. I think he'd work really well in Rafa's system and given the going rate for strikers these days and remembering where we are these days it would be a decent signing. Not great, not amazing, not massively exiting but decent, because he's better than what we've got and would no doubt improve us.

:thup:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: pbxtn on Sunday 8 July 2018, 06:33:44 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.
3.1 goals per game is pretty epic. Sign him up must be worth over 200 million.

 :lol:  Statistics and alcohol clearly don't mix.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sbnufc on Sunday 8 July 2018, 07:09:00 pm
Averages 3.1 goals per game in his career so far vs 2.4 for Mitrovic for what it's worth.

I like Rondon, but I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference vs Mitro over the course of a season to justify breaking our transfer record.
3.1 goals per game is pretty epic. Sign him up must be worth over 200 million.

 :lol:  Statistics and alcohol clearly don't mix.

1 in 2.6 for Mitro, 2.9 for Rondon according to transfermarkt
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Sunday 8 July 2018, 08:38:16 pm
Never really noticed him before, not exactly a prolific striker, but I suppose he will be an upgrade on Mitrovic so it's not the worst deal.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 8 July 2018, 10:20:48 pm
Quote from: Chronicle
It's well known that the forward has a release clause of £16.5 million but talks so far between the Baggies and Newcastle have proved fruitless.

Thank f***.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Sunday 8 July 2018, 10:22:03 pm
Salomon Rondon
Available on Monday
Watched on Tuesday
Monitored on Wednesday
Reported on Thursday
Denied by Ryder on Friday
Slagged off on here on Saturday
Derisory offer on Sunday
And that was the end of Salomon Rondon
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 10:41:01 pm
Doesn't even rhyme. Terrible effort.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Sunday 8 July 2018, 10:43:49 pm
Doesn't even rhyme. Terrible effort.

There is no need for poetry to rhyme
You absolute f***ing philistine.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 8 July 2018, 10:44:34 pm
Ah, I see. Well ... it still stinks. It's so bad.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: UncleBingo on Sunday 8 July 2018, 11:05:48 pm
Asked a mate of mine earlier who has an ST at West Brom......."Rondon will frustrate and please you in equal measures. Some games he's a lazy sod who barely seems arsed, then well up for it in others. Great in the air and he's getting much better at holding the ball up and link play, decent shot on him too. Depends on cost but would be a reasonable addition, I also think Benitez would get more out of him than some of our lot have".
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: BONTEMPI on Sunday 8 July 2018, 11:59:39 pm
Nope don't break it. f***ing joke
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Conjo on Monday 9 July 2018, 01:34:40 am
Salomón Rondón | Rockstar - Best GOALS | 2018 | HD

Misleading as he misses 90% of the chances :lol:

NOT convinced!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 9 July 2018, 01:42:04 am
Asked a mate of mine earlier who has an ST at West Brom......."Rondon will frustrate and please you in equal measures. Some games he's a lazy sod who barely seems arsed, then well up for it in others. Great in the air and he's getting much better at holding the ball up and link play, decent shot on him too. Depends on cost but would be a reasonable addition, I also think Benitez would get more out of him than some of our lot have".
Is your mate Mike Ashley?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: rgk_lfc on Monday 9 July 2018, 02:01:52 am
After winning the CL in 2005, we were dreaming of hot shot European strikers. Rafa sold Cisse who had scored greater than 15 goals the previous season and spends 6 million on Peter Crouch who was considered a bit of a joke at that time.  He does not score for like the first 15 games. But he helped knit together the attack and we became a more functional unit and helped us get third with a significant increase in the points tally. Rafa won the league with Mista who scored 7 goals. Goalscoring is just one of the attributes Rafa looks from a striker.

I dunno much about Rondon but I wouldn't care too much on how much he scored in Pulis or Pardew systems. Can he be an effective striker in a 4231 - hold the ball, serve as a fulcrum and bring other attackers into play, serve as the first line of defense - that is how I would evaluate Rondon. If yes, and all of your transfers go through, I can see Rafa building a nifty and competent attack with Rondon holding the ball and laying off to either Townsend and Kennedy on the channels or Perez through the center.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: John P on Monday 9 July 2018, 03:45:29 am
Good post rgk. Personally, when I saw Rondon at St James at the end of the season I actually thought he would be a pretty useful player in Rafa's system. He has strength and aggression, which allows him to hold the ball up well and act as  a focal point, whilst also being very mobile and able to run the channels. Scoring 7 or 8 league goals per season in awful West Brom teams isn't actually bad going either. He has way more attributes than Gayle and Joselu and the question I ask myself is, who would I rather see starting for us out of those 3? Makes it look a decent deal to me.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Monday 9 July 2018, 05:02:03 am
I thought Matt Phillips looked a better player in that match.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 9 July 2018, 07:54:29 am
Asked a mate of mine earlier who has an ST at West Brom......."Rondon will frustrate and please you in equal measures. Some games he's a lazy sod who barely seems arsed, then well up for it in others. Great in the air and he's getting much better at holding the ball up and link play, decent shot on him too. Depends on cost but would be a reasonable addition, I also think Benitez would get more out of him than some of our lot have".

Wow, your mate sounds gutted to be losing him. Did he shrug his shoulders and say "meh" too?

I'm guessing the barometer is now "Is he better than Joselu?" with all strikers.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: John P on Monday 9 July 2018, 08:42:46 am
Asked a mate of mine earlier who has an ST at West Brom......."Rondon will frustrate and please you in equal measures. Some games he's a lazy sod who barely seems arsed, then well up for it in others. Great in the air and he's getting much better at holding the ball up and link play, decent shot on him too. Depends on cost but would be a reasonable addition, I also think Benitez would get more out of him than some of our lot have".

Wow, your mate sounds gutted to be losing him. Did he shrug his shoulders and say "meh" too?

I'm guessing the barometer is now "Is he better than Joselu?" with all strikers.

But "is he better than (Gayle and) Joselu" is surely an important question? We finished 10th with those two both missing a bucketload of chances. If we can get someone in who's better than them it's progress.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: oldtype on Monday 9 July 2018, 08:44:54 am
Given what transfer fees are these days, it's actually kind of amazing that we haven't broken our transfer record in over a decade. Would be quite fitting if we broke it with some random rotation player.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 9 July 2018, 08:46:40 am
I thought Rafa's whole thing was a quick forward to get in behind the defence. We've been linked with so many huge planks lately.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sho'Time on Monday 9 July 2018, 09:08:14 am
If Rondon is what Rafa is looking for in a striker, I'm massively surprised. He isn't much better than Mitrovic (if at all) and certainly doesn't have age on his side. I'd rather we didn't get him if that was the case.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Monday 9 July 2018, 09:26:06 am
If Rondon is what Rafa is looking for in a striker, I'm massively surprised. He isn't much better than Mitrovic (if at all) and certainly doesn't have age on his side. I'd rather we didn't get him if that was the case.

My thoughts as well, with Rafa's system I would think a Torres type player would be more suitable.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Heake on Monday 9 July 2018, 09:48:56 am
If Rondon is what Rafa is looking for in a striker, I'm massively surprised. He isn't much better than Mitrovic (if at all) and certainly doesn't have age on his side. I'd rather we didn't get him if that was the case.

My thoughts as well, with Rafa's system I would think a Torres type player would be more suitable.

Preferably not the one that played for Chelsea ;)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 9 July 2018, 10:37:21 am
If Rondon is what Rafa is looking for in a striker, I'm massively surprised. He isn't much better than Mitrovic (if at all) and certainly doesn't have age on his side. I'd rather we didn't get him if that was the case.

My thoughts as well, with Rafa's system I would think a Torres type player would be more suitable.
Wanting Pléa or Rondon doesn't really make sense; a smaller, quick striker that can finish or a big target man who can hold the ball up, decent at heading but isn't the greatest finisher.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 9 July 2018, 11:27:59 am
Really don't understand any appeal in us signing him. At his very best he's looked average whenever I've seen him. I'd only be happy if he was coming in as back up but for over £15m it's a massive waste of money imo.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: MickMack on Monday 9 July 2018, 11:30:25 am
Think if we do sign him there’ll be a lot of people surprised, way better than what he’s being made out on here
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Lenny on Monday 9 July 2018, 11:36:43 am
I would be willing to give him a chance. I've seen him look a handful on occasions and imagine he's the kind of player that Rafa could get more out of than anyone he's worked under at West Brom.

Regarding the fee; that's the going rate now for this quality of player, we (and unfortunately Mike Ashley) need to accept that.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 9 July 2018, 11:50:24 am
Think if we do sign him there’ll be a lot of people surprised, way better than what he’s being made out on here

I read this a few times about Joselu too. Bit of a no-lose post isn't it.

Even if he is better than we think, it's highlighting that we're a club going nowhere.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 9 July 2018, 11:51:59 am
Back in the days of Two strikers he'd be a brilliant buy. Depends how close Perez will be to him and if he'll go beyond him I suppose.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Teasy on Monday 9 July 2018, 11:55:29 am
Never been a fan, but at the end of the day Benitez wants him and he'll cost less than we're going to get for a player Benitez doesn't want, so fine.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 9 July 2018, 12:01:29 pm
Asked a mate of mine earlier who has an ST at West Brom......."Rondon will frustrate and please you in equal measures. Some games he's a lazy sod who barely seems arsed, then well up for it in others. Great in the air and he's getting much better at holding the ball up and link play, decent shot on him too. Depends on cost but would be a reasonable addition, I also think Benitez would get more out of him than some of our lot have".

Wow, your mate sounds gutted to be losing him. Did he shrug his shoulders and say "meh" too?

I'm guessing the barometer is now "Is he better than Joselu?" with all strikers.

The barometer would be "is he better than Mitrovic" in this case. I'm assuming he's more mobile as his finishing and physicality looks on about a par. Not exactly a signing to set the pulse racing, but if Rafa wants him, I would back his judgement tbh. I am encouraged by what a few others like Greg and Kaka have said as well as they will have seen more of him than me.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Monday 9 July 2018, 12:08:15 pm
If Rondon is what Rafa is looking for in a striker, I'm massively surprised. He isn't much better than Mitrovic (if at all) and certainly doesn't have age on his side. I'd rather we didn't get him if that was the case.

As has been said, goalscoring is just one attribute Rafa looks for in a striker. Sometimes the striker can be used to help build and attacks, hold the ball and offer chances to other players. If it's true that we're in line to sign both Kenedy & Townsend, then I can totally see why Rondon would make sense as a signing for Rafa, both tactically & financially. I'm interested to know what you think Rondon offers? Because I personally wouldn't compare him with Mitrovic all that much other than physicality & heading. Rondon is far more mobile, and from what I've seen a better footballer. I watched West Brom a fair bit, particularly towards the end of the season and Rondon was playing a similar role to the one Kane has been doing for England, in terms of dropping deeper, even into the midfield areas at times and playing passes to the wide men or the attacking midfielders. Whilst Kane didn't score against Sweden, we can all agree he played an important role in the game as a centre forward, similarly against Colombia. If Rondon comes in to play a similar role and offer chances to our other attackers, providing functionality, then that sounds like a Rafa signing to me.

Also in terms of the Rondon/Plea thing, it's a bit simplistic I think to believe we're after one of Plea or Rondon to play the same role. We have a very thoughtful, tactically astute manager as we all know, it would be to no surprise that he has one idea for Plea and another for Rondon and can see a functional team forming with either leading the line. Just because you have two transfer targets doesn't necessarily mean they're completely comparable as players.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 9 July 2018, 12:11:13 pm
If Rondon is what Rafa is looking for in a striker, I'm massively surprised. He isn't much better than Mitrovic (if at all) and certainly doesn't have age on his side. I'd rather we didn't get him if that was the case.

As has been said, goalscoring is just one attribute Rafa looks for in a striker. Sometimes the striker can be used to help build and attacks, hold the ball and offer chances to other players. If it's true that we're in line to sign both Kenedy & Townsend, then I can totally see why Rondon would make sense as a signing for Rafa, both tactically & financially. I'm interested to know what you think Rondon offers? Because I personally wouldn't compare him with Mitrovic all that much other than physicality & heading. Rondon is far more mobile, and from what I've seen a better footballer. I watched West Brom a fair bit, particularly towards the end of the season and Rondon was playing a similar role to the one Kane has been doing for England, in terms of dropping deeper, even into the midfield areas at times and playing passes to the wide men or the attacking midfielders. Whilst Kane didn't score against Sweden, we can all agree he played an important role in the game as a centre forward, similarly against Colombia. If Rondon comes in to play a similar role and offer chances to our other attackers and providing functionality, that sounds like a Rafa signing to me.

Also in terms of the Rondon/Plea thing, it's a bit simplistic I think to believe we're after one of Plea or Rondon to play the same role. We have a very thoughtful, tactically astute manager as we all know, it would be to no surprise that he has one idea for Plea and another for Rondon and can see a functional team forming with either leading the line. Just because you have two transfer targets doesn't necessarily mean they're completely comparable as players.

:thup:

Mobility and work rate would be key, I know everyone was slagging off Slimani, but I thought he gave us another dimension with his mobility, and if Rondon has a bit of that, it would be a major plus.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 9 July 2018, 12:11:36 pm
Given what transfer fees are these days, it's actually kind of amazing that we haven't broken our transfer record in over a decade. Would be quite fitting if we broke it with some random rotation player.

Amazing? Nah, it's Ashley.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 9 July 2018, 12:13:36 pm
No other clubs willing to match the £16.5m release clause?

I'd assume we've offered £8m?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: MickMack on Monday 9 July 2018, 12:37:00 pm
Quote from: MickMack on Today at 11:30:25 am
Think if we do sign him there’ll be a lot of people surprised, way better than what he’s being made out on here

I read this a few times about Joselu too. Bit of a no-lose post isn't it.

Even if he is better than we think, it's highlighting that we're a club going nowhere.



Well not really, I’ve seen him a few times last season, thought he was a menace, strong / fast with a great shot on him. Worlds apart from Joselu. Prob still a bit of a non post as it doesn’t fall in line with your opinion I guess.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 9 July 2018, 12:52:43 pm
Quote from: MickMack on Today at 11:30:25 am
Think if we do sign him there’ll be a lot of people surprised, way better than what he’s being made out on here

I read this a few times about Joselu too. Bit of a no-lose post isn't it.

Even if he is better than we think, it's highlighting that we're a club going nowhere.



Well not really, I’ve seen him a few times last season, thought he was a menace, strong / fast with a great shot on him. Worlds apart from Joselu. Prob still a bit of a non post as it doesn’t fall in line with your opinion I guess.

Nope, not what I'm saying at all. It's one of those posts where you can come back and say "well you all knew he was gonna be s*** anyway" or "told you he'd come good". I'm not saying he's as s*** as Joselu, nobody could be. I don't even know how good he could eventually be here, as I just don't see how he fits Rafa's style of play. I just don't understand why people come on and say "I think you'll be surprised" and leave it at that. Your reply actually gives the reason, so fair play.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 9 July 2018, 02:12:04 pm
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: STM on Monday 9 July 2018, 02:14:26 pm
As much as i hate the way we do business, there's no way we should be bent over a barrel by Rondon's agent.

He needs a move, I doubt he will get many better offers than us.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 9 July 2018, 02:17:20 pm
If we've bid for both Pléa and Rondon, surely that means we're waiting for either Nice or Rondon's agent to blink first and whoever does we'll take and that'll be the end of the striker hunt? Us being normal and trying to go for both to vehemently upgrade on our current striking options I can't see.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 9 July 2018, 02:22:26 pm
Only if Ki, Rondon Townsend and Plea would cost less than Mitrovic, Ritchie, Merino and Gayle would fetch.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 9 July 2018, 02:28:12 pm
Only if Ki, Rondon Townsend and Plea would cost less than Mitrovic, Ritchie, Merino and Gayle would fetch.
Assuming that, that's about £60.5m on incomings.

Roughly £55m-£57m from outgoings depending on what we would get if we sold Gayle.

It would make sense and we'd probably have a better squad as a result. So it won't happen.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 9 July 2018, 03:14:49 pm
Not even sure we'll sell Gayle if Mitro leaves and is replaced by Rondon. Unless we buy Plea as well, which seems a bit far fetched.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Monday 9 July 2018, 03:19:08 pm
Not even sure we'll sell Gayle if Mitro leaves and is replaced by Rondon. Unless we buy Plea as well, which seems a bit far fetched.
Wouldn't be surprised to see us shift Gayle or even Joselu, neither seem cut out for the premiership and there is interest to cash in on the former. It's more the fact i can't see charnley and co. signing more than one striker.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Altamullan on Monday 9 July 2018, 03:41:44 pm
Think if we do sign him there’ll be a lot of people surprised, way better than what he’s being made out on here

I read this a few times about Joselu too. Bit of a no-lose post isn't it.

Even if he is better than we think, it's highlighting that we're a club going nowhere.
At the risk of teetering into unjustified (yet) optimism, I’d say more that we are a club going forward one painstaking step at a time. No great leaps possible on our budget, sadly. Think we have to back Rafa’s judgement on what will improve the squad/help us take that next step. That may well involve a third choice here and there or a functionally equivalent player for less money, to open up the possibility of one or two first choices.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: rgk_lfc on Monday 9 July 2018, 06:39:22 pm
If Rondon is what Rafa is looking for in a striker, I'm massively surprised. He isn't much better than Mitrovic (if at all) and certainly doesn't have age on his side. I'd rather we didn't get him if that was the case.

My thoughts as well, with Rafa's system I would think a Torres type player would be more suitable.

Torres type is his ideal striker but Crouch would be the compromise. If you look at the evolution of his strikers at LFC, he sold Cisse (whose goalscoring record for us was quote decent actually) and Baros, second summer bought Crouch, next year was Kuyt and Bellamy ( who was never played as a striker), and then finally Torres with Kuyt shifted to the channels. His Valencia team had Mista as the striker with Vicente Rodriguez (left channel), Aimar as the number 10 and someone called Cannobio or something on the right hand side.

He also likes one of his 3 behind the striker to stay wide. In our 2008/2009 season he had Riera stay wide and the seasons before he had Pennant. At Valencia Cannobio was the person who stayed close the sidelines on the right hand side. Baraja made passes from the deep and made runs joining the attack I believe. For us it was Alonso and I guess it would be Shelvey for you.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Monday 9 July 2018, 06:45:19 pm
Thanks for the insight rgk, interesting to learn of how things developed at Liverpool from a non-outsider perspective - particularly as it feels like parts of that system are being somewhat mirrored here as Rafa gets to build the squad he wants (albeit in a frustratingly little by little manner).
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sean on Monday 9 July 2018, 06:59:19 pm
We only make a signing if the player in question is desperate to join us and only us, and then if the selling club accept the player wants to leave and gives in on the price (see Jacob Murphy), theres a release clause (but this still takes about a month to get done, see Lejuene), loans or players for negligible fees (Joselu, Manquillo). If agents want a fee (don't they always), then we don't get the deal done. We can't compete with any other PL team for a signing. Pretty sure our net spend on transfers will have gone down from 10 years ago...we must be the only club in the country to have achieved that one (whilst still in the same league).
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:05:51 pm
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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: wormy on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:07:14 pm
Hectic final few days. :lol: How many times have NUFC had a hectic final few days to a transfer window?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:08:33 pm
Can't believe we finished tenth and have Rafa as manager and our striker is going to be Rondon. Depressing
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mike on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:11:57 pm
Can't believe we finished tenth and have Rafa as manager and our striker is going to be Rondon. Depressing

:lol: Take heart in the fact that this is all bullshit and we're going to do absolutely f*** all before loaning third choice striker from random club 233.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:22:13 pm
Also how is it we can still only attempt one deal at a time. We should be able to fail across multiple deals at the same time.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:23:52 pm
Rondon would be alright as back up, however he’s going to be he main man isn’t he?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:24:22 pm
Because we wish to waste time and lose out on ”targets”
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mike on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:24:55 pm
Also how is it we can still only attempt one deal at a time. We should be able to fail across multiple deals at the same time.

Easier to keep the lies straight if it's only one bullshit transfer at a time.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:27:26 pm
Can't believe we finished tenth and have Rafa as manager and our striker is going to be Rondon. Depressing

:lol: Take heart in the fact that this is all bullshit and we're going to do absolutely f*** all before loaning third choice striker from random club 233.

This season is gonna be ridiculous in almost every possible aspect
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:27:49 pm
Can see this one happening. He'll be the biggest signing probably followed by underwhelming loans.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: covmag on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:31:15 pm


who were we really expecting?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:38:03 pm
It’s not a bad signing, he’s fast, strong and causes problems. If he does enough to allow Perez, Ritchie and Kenedy the chances to score goals, he’ll be an important part of the first team.

Gayle does not do these things.

My only issue with he signing is, if he’s a similar player to Rivière, how much of an upgrade could he be?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:39:03 pm
Can't believe we finished tenth and have Rafa as manager and our striker is going to be Rondon. Depressing

It's an upgrade on the strikers we had last season imo.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:39:18 pm
How is he similar to Riviere?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:42:33 pm
How is he similar to Riviere?

Speed, strength, doesn’t score very often...
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:43:27 pm
How is he similar to Riviere?

Speed, strength, doesn’t score very often...
Rondon is better than Riviere like. In fact I think I might be!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:45:55 pm
How is he similar to Riviere?

Speed, strength, doesn’t score very often...

Ridiculous. Rondon is no great shakes but he's a few good levels above the likes of Riviere and de Jong.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:46:47 pm
Panic on the streets of Rondon
Panic on the streets of Kenedy
I wonder to myself
Could it be just release fees and loans again?

Burn down the stadium
Hang the wretched MA
Because the transfers that we constantly make
It says Rafa's away and f*** my life
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:47:08 pm
How is he similar to Riviere?

Speed, strength, doesn’t score very often...

Ridiculous. Rondon is no great shakes but he's a few good levels above the likes of Riviere and de Jong.
He'll do a good job for us, it's a bit underwhelming but he'll so a good job.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:50:02 pm
From what my WBA supporting mates say, his first touch is really suspect, and even when he played alongside J-Rod which they thought would bring the best out of him, it didn't. I can't say I'm that excited about it really. That's from season ticket holders btw. He may well do okay for us, but imo it's a pisstake that's the market we are operating. He doesn't score goals very often.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 21 July 2018, 12:58:53 pm
How is he similar to Riviere?

Speed, strength, doesn’t score very often...

Ridiculous. Rondon is no great shakes but he's a few good levels above the likes of Riviere and de Jong.

Wouldn't say a few good levels above mind but at the end of the day Rafa has been f***ed and were back to the usual case of a choice further down the list which is why he will be saying adios. You can argue all you want saying oh well I think he is far better than those two donkeys but it doesn't hide the fact that he isnot the player the manager had hoped for and  it's just another occasion of trying to get a body in to do the job required ala Joselu.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:02:42 pm
From what my WBA supporting mates say, his first touch is really suspect, and even when he played alongside J-Rod which they thought would bring the best out of him, it didn't. I can't say I'm that excited about it really. That's from season ticket holders btw. He may well do okay for us, but imo it's a pisstake that's the market we are operating. He doesn't score goals very often.

There were only 13 players who scored 12 or more league goals last season. Of the players who scraped into double figures, I reckon only Rooney, Murray & Wood would cost less than £40-50m. (not going to count Milovojevic as he genuinely scores a disproportionate amount of penalties)

The rest in the 6-9 bracket from last season are all someone who with a good season could get anything between 6-12 depending on form. I'd like to think in a Benitez set up he could get into the Murray & Wood scoring bracket at the very least.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:05:46 pm
Can't wait until page 23, when we're all p*ssed off that we've failed to sign a striker that most of us don't even want. [emoji38]
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: STM on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:09:24 pm
Rondon is a very good all round striker, he will suit Rafa's system brilliantly. His goalscoring at West Brom has been poor but he's had some shocking managers.

He will score more for us than he did at West Brom.

I'm not for a second suggesting he's a world beater though.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:16:10 pm
Salomon fishing in the hyem(en)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:17:21 pm
People keep saying Rafa has been screwed because we are seemingly getting Rondon, but it seems quite apparent that Rafa really wants him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:18:07 pm
People keep saying Rafa has been screwed because we are seemingly getting Rondon, but it seems quite apparent that Rafa really wants him.

He said himself he was on 3/4th of his list of targets.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElDiablo on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:18:51 pm
Panic on the streets of Rondon
Panic on the streets of Kenedy
I wonder to myself
Could it be just release fees and loans again?

Burn down the stadium
Hang the wretched MA
Because the transfers that we constantly make
It says Rafa's away and f*** my life

:lol: Look forward to this being belted out vs Spurs.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:19:30 pm
People keep saying Rafa has been screwed because we are seemingly getting Rondon, but it seems quite apparent that Rafa really wants him.

Jesus man he was way down his list
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mike on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:20:49 pm
Can't wait until page 23, when we're all p*ssed off that we've failed to sign a striker that most of us don't even want. [emoji38]

:lol: Can't wait to do it again next year.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:20:57 pm
I think he’s a good signing, obviously we should be getting someone much better but under Mike we aren’t allowed.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:21:11 pm
People keep saying Rafa has been screwed because we are seemingly getting Rondon, but it seems quite apparent that Rafa really wants him.

He said himself he was on 3/4th of his list of targets.

People keep saying Rafa has been screwed because we are seemingly getting Rondon, but it seems quite apparent that Rafa really wants him.

Jesus man he was way down his list

He did not say that about Rondon.

Rafa has said his preference was for premier league experience, and Rondon fits exactly what he wants from his strikers.

The only other striker I think he might have looked at with prem experience was Josh King, but Bournemouth likely asked for silly money.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sean on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:21:53 pm
People keep saying Rafa has been screwed because we are seemingly getting Rondon, but it seems quite apparent that Rafa really wants him.

He said himself he was on 3/4th of his list of targets.

Did he actually say Rondon was 3rd/4th choice specifically? Or is it where he said something like "you can't get the first choice, then its harder to get the second, and the 3rd maybe doesn't have the quality"?

Rondon could easily be Rafas 15th/16th choice  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:23:39 pm
People keep saying Rafa has been screwed because we are seemingly getting Rondon, but it seems quite apparent that Rafa really wants him.

Jesus man he was way down his list

You know nothing about his list.

We've been linked with Rondon from the start of the window.

He's a good player that can be had for great value all things considered.

You're all over reacting and claiming he's rubbish, and you'll all look silly if he joins.

People actually claiming he's no better than Mitrovic and not that much better than Joselu. My goodness man.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: STM on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:27:52 pm
I think Rondon was probably his fall back position if he didn't get Plea. Rafa was giving a general warning about messing about 1st choice targets.

I'm sure Rondon is a player Rafa likes.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:31:12 pm
Salomon fishing in the hyem(en)


:lol: get out
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:32:53 pm
Kuyt and even crouch were great for Rafa at Liverpool. They worked hard and followed instructions. A lot of their play opened things up massively for other players to get goals.

Rondon is a similar kind of approach, but he is far stronger and more athletic than those two. He is a bull. He will make other players more effective and productive (particularly Ayoze) and will also get goals under Rafa IMO.

Just a matter of time and we'll all see what happens if he joins.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:39:25 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:42:18 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man

Who’s blinkered sorry?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:44:48 pm
Can't wait until page 23, when we're all p*ssed off that we've failed to sign a striker that most of us don't even want. [emoji38]

By page 23 we'll be p*ssed off we haven't even signed Stifler :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:50:28 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man

You've written that badly so I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say.

Regarding the lack of progress, well ... Rondon isn't actually here yet is he? So of course he's not happy!

It's quite clear we cannot sign any striker until Mitro leaves.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:53:17 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man
Who’s blinkered sorry?

People who are trying to kid themselves that Rondon was Rafas second choice striker. I can get people’s opinion that they rate him just as much as I don’t that’s opinions but he was nowhere near one of his top targets and that’s exactly the reason why Rafa is making sure everyone know what’s happening. A person with his scoring record would be nowhere near a top choice.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:55:08 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man

You've written that badly so I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say.

Regarding the lack of progress, well ... Rondon isn't actually here yet is he? So of course he's not happy!

It's quite clear we cannot sign any striker until Mitro leaves.

So why you answering then if you don’t understand what Im saying
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:55:38 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man
Who’s blinkered sorry?

People who are trying to kid themselves that Rondon was Rafas second choice striker. I can get people’s opinion that they rate him just as much as I don’t that’s opinions but he was nowhere near one of his top targets and that’s exactly the reason why Rafa is making sure everyone know what’s happening. A person with his scoring record would be nowhere near a top choice.



You know nothing about Rafa's list man? You're the one making things up! :lol:
 
This is ridiculous! :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 01:56:18 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man

You've written that badly so I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say.

Regarding the lack of progress, well ... Rondon isn't actually here yet is he? So of course he's not happy!

It's quite clear we cannot sign any striker until Mitro leaves.

So why you answering then if you don’t understand what Im saying

I got the general gist of it, but wasn't 100% sure. Like I said.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:02:15 pm
You know nothing about Rafa's list man? You're the one making things up! :lol:
 
This is ridiculous! :lol:

So why is he coming out not happy and making a point about targets now being down the list as we have not delivered on his original ones. It’s not rocket science you know but you keep believing and then watch reality kick in next summer
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:03:03 pm
I can see, if we play two up top at any time, either Perez or Gayle benefitting from Rondon up front. He’d make an astute squad addition, but if that’s the level we are looking at to improve a position we clearly could do with improving greatly on... its the same old same old really. Signing bang average players.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:09:34 pm
You know nothing about Rafa's list man? You're the one making things up! :lol:
 
This is ridiculous! :lol:

So why is he coming out not happy and making a point about targets now being down the list as we have not delivered on his original ones. It’s not rocket science you know but you keep believing and then watch reality kick in next summer

Because we are moving too slowly, and his issue is that the longer it takes to tie up deals, the further down the list we will have to go.

Rondon has been mentioned from the outset, so I don't know why you are so convinced he is the bottom of Rafa's list.

I think the issue is that we haven't secured him, and it's been out there that we want him, which will allow others to step in and usurp us.

We were never goign to be approaching top tier striker under Ashley. If you think Rondon is the bottom of the barrel well then God help you if we miss out on him, because then you will really have your eyes opened, with who we will start going after then. Maybe Xisco can come back.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:17:18 pm
We’re not signing Rondon
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:31:10 pm
We’re not signing Rondon

Is that inside info, or just a hunch?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:36:12 pm
So if Rondon comes and Rafa has said he believes he is then why is he fully stamping his total unrest and lack of progress by the club - why on earth are some people so blinkered man

Who’s blinkered sorry?

He’s suggesting the story of the transfer is bullshit.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:36:36 pm
He's probably a bit better than what we have but when Rafa's target was Pléa and we end up with Rondon, it's underwheming and depressing. Ashley out. c***.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:51:45 pm
From what my WBA supporting mates say, his first touch is really suspect, and even when he played alongside J-Rod which they thought would bring the best out of him, it didn't. I can't say I'm that excited about it really. That's from season ticket holders btw. He may well do okay for us, but imo it's a pisstake that's the market we are operating. He doesn't score goals very often.

I'd back Rafa's judgement over fans tbh, although I'm not under any illusions we are buying a world beater. I'd be very surprised if Rafa's judgement was so off that he would waste £16m on a waste of space.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:54:02 pm
Just giving the viewpoint of people who watch him. Managers do make mistakes, Rafa included, and my opinion is he is getting what he can, not what he wants.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 02:57:31 pm
Just giving the viewpoint of people who watch him. Managers do make mistakes, Rafa included, and my opinion is he is getting what he can, not what he wants.

Definitely managers make mistakes, including Rafa, I would call Joselu a mistake for sure. But a £4m mistake is understandable, wasting £16m when we already have limited funds would be pretty tragic. I would go with my gut that Rafa can make him look a lot better than he did at West Brom, Rondon's not some unknown, he's played in England for a while now, so Rafa will know him very well.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:00:18 pm
We’re not signing Rondon

Will be announced 3.00pm press conference.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:00:19 pm
Just giving the viewpoint of people who watch him. Managers do make mistakes, Rafa included, and my opinion is he is getting what he can, not what he wants.

Definitely managers make mistakes, including Rafa, I would call Joselu a mistake for sure. But a £4m mistake is understandable, wasting £16m when we already have limited funds would be pretty tragic. I would go with my gut that Rafa can make him look a lot better than he did at West Brom, Rondon's not some unknown, he's played in England for a while now, so Rafa will know him very well.
Was he alright when playing in Spain for Malaga?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:02:14 pm
Just giving the viewpoint of people who watch him. Managers do make mistakes, Rafa included, and my opinion is he is getting what he can, not what he wants.

Definitely managers make mistakes, including Rafa, I would call Joselu a mistake for sure. But a £4m mistake is understandable, wasting £16m when we already have limited funds would be pretty tragic. I would go with my gut that Rafa can make him look a lot better than he did at West Brom, Rondon's not some unknown, he's played in England for a while now, so Rafa will know him very well.
Was he alright when playing in Spain for Malaga?

I barely know anything about him playing in the Premier never mind for Malaga. :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:03:41 pm
Just giving the viewpoint of people who watch him. Managers do make mistakes, Rafa included, and my opinion is he is getting what he can, not what he wants.

Definitely managers make mistakes, including Rafa, I would call Joselu a mistake for sure. But a £4m mistake is understandable, wasting £16m when we already have limited funds would be pretty tragic. I would go with my gut that Rafa can make him look a lot better than he did at West Brom, Rondon's not some unknown, he's played in England for a while now, so Rafa will know him very well.
Was he alright when playing in Spain for Malaga?

I barely know anything about him playing in the Premier never mind for Malaga. :lol:
:lol: I haven't a clue either.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Paully on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:05:52 pm
Just giving the viewpoint of people who watch him. Managers do make mistakes, Rafa included, and my opinion is he is getting what he can, not what he wants.

Definitely managers make mistakes, including Rafa, I would call Joselu a mistake for sure. But a £4m mistake is understandable, wasting £16m when we already have limited funds would be pretty tragic. I would go with my gut that Rafa can make him look a lot better than he did at West Brom, Rondon's not some unknown, he's played in England for a while now, so Rafa will know him very well.

Joselu was a desperate buy as he had been let down by the fat w***** on numerous other targets - basically ‘a body’!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:21:10 pm
We’re not signing Rondon

Is that inside info, or just a hunch?

:lol: no one is ITK
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:26:21 pm
Just giving the viewpoint of people who watch him. Managers do make mistakes, Rafa included, and my opinion is he is getting what he can, not what he wants.

Definitely managers make mistakes, including Rafa, I would call Joselu a mistake for sure. But a £4m mistake is understandable, wasting £16m when we already have limited funds would be pretty tragic. I would go with my gut that Rafa can make him look a lot better than he did at West Brom, Rondon's not some unknown, he's played in England for a while now, so Rafa will know him very well.

Joselu was a desperate buy as he had been let down by the fat w***** on numerous other targets - basically ‘a body’!

But he was still a bad one as we ended up loaning Mitro out, and while Rafa might think otherwise, I think that was a bad trade.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:26:54 pm
We’re not signing Rondon

Is that inside info, or just a hunch?

:lol: no one is ITK

Wasn't SG the one who mentioned the Kenedy deal though? that's why I asked.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:37:09 pm
We’re not signing Rondon

Is that inside info, or just a hunch?

:lol: no one is ITK
Rafa included 😓
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: triggs on Saturday 21 July 2018, 03:55:27 pm
From what my WBA supporting mates say, his first touch is really suspect, and even when he played alongside J-Rod which they thought would bring the best out of him, it didn't. I can't say I'm that excited about it really. That's from season ticket holders btw. He may well do okay for us, but imo it's a pisstake that's the market we are operating. He doesn't score goals very often.

There were only 13 players who scored 12 or more league goals last season. Of the players who scraped into double figures, I reckon only Rooney, Murray & Wood would cost less than £40-50m. (not going to count Milovojevic as he genuinely scores a disproportionate amount of penalties)

The rest in the 6-9 bracket from last season are all someone who with a good season could get anything between 6-12 depending on form. I'd like to think in a Benitez set up he could get into the Murray & Wood scoring bracket at the very least.
Aye people mention getting a 15-20 goal a season striker like it's a pretty easy thing to do sometimes
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: covmag on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:08:34 pm

we will go with Gayle and Joselu, im sure of it, its too close to find a bargain now.

f***ing b****** of an owner at times.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:10:25 pm

we will go with Gayle and Joselu, im sure of it, its too close to find a bargain now.

f***ing b****** of an owner at times.

At times? Seriously?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:17:29 pm

we will go with Gayle and Joselu, im sure of it, its too close to find a bargain now.

f***ing b****** of an owner at times.

At times? Seriously?
When he is taking time off being a c*** obviously.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toon25 on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:38:38 pm

we will go with Gayle and Joselu, im sure of it, its too close to find a bargain now.

f***ing b****** of an owner at times.

God, the thought of those two being our strikeforce this season....
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: samptime29 on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:39:25 pm

we will go with Gayle and Joselu, im sure of it, its too close to find a bargain now.

f***ing b****** of an owner at times.

God, the thought of those two being our strikeforce this season....

Combined 5 goals all season.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:40:05 pm
Desperate:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5977659/Newcastle-West-Brom-discussing-Dwight-Gayle-makeweight-Salomon-Rondon-deal.html
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:44:59 pm
Quote
    West Brom are discussing Dwight Gayle as part of a deal for Salomon Rondon
   
Newcastle have failed with a loan move and a swap involving Rolando Aarons
   
They also hope Rondon lowers his wage demands to fit their existing structure

Three of the most depressing sentences I think I've ever read.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Big Geordie on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:48:19 pm
If true, backs up that there is no cash to spend. Media need to be asking where all of the TV money has gone.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:48:40 pm
Jesus we are so pathetic.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:50:29 pm
You know nothing about Rafa's list man? You're the one making things up! :lol:
 
This is ridiculous! :lol:

So why is he coming out not happy and making a point about targets now being down the list as we have not delivered on his original ones. It’s not rocket science you know but you keep believing and then watch reality kick in next summer

Because we are moving too slowly, and his issue is that the longer it takes to tie up deals, the further down the list we will have to go.

Rondon has been mentioned from the outset, so I don't know why you are so convinced he is the bottom of Rafa's list.

I think the issue is that we haven't secured him, and it's been out there that we want him, which will allow others to step in and usurp us.

We were never goign to be approaching top tier striker under Ashley. If you think Rondon is the bottom of the barrel well then God help you if we miss out on him, because then you will really have your eyes opened, with who we will start going after then. Maybe Xisco can come back.

You keep believing
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Darth Crooks on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:50:40 pm
Seriously like. Where's it gone?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:54:05 pm
Quote
    West Brom are discussing Dwight Gayle as part of a deal for Salomon Rondon
   
Newcastle have failed with a loan move and a swap involving Rolando Aarons
   
They also hope Rondon lowers his wage demands to fit their existing structure

Three of the most depressing sentences I think I've ever read.

Assuming we shift Mitro, we should be going into next season with Rondon-Gayle-Joselu at the absolute bare minimum. Which is still pathetic.

Rondon-Joselu is just f***ing deplorable.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:56:06 pm
Rondon-Muto-Joselu?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 21 July 2018, 04:59:08 pm
Rondon-Muto-Joselu?

Right now I’m just hoping we don’t start the season Gayle-Joselu.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:03:32 pm
Quote
    West Brom are discussing Dwight Gayle as part of a deal for Salomon Rondon
   
Newcastle have failed with a loan move and a swap involving Rolando Aarons
   
They also hope Rondon lowers his wage demands to fit their existing structure

Three of the most depressing sentences I think I've ever read.

we'd be f***ing lunatics to accept anything other than a straight swap for gayle, jesus this is woeful
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:06:37 pm
As long as it's not Gayle of Joselu i am happy.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:06:43 pm
So a Premier League team can't afford to buy a Championship player and also can't afford to pay said player what he's earning at Championship team

What the f*** is going on man. Where is the money and when mid table teams are spending upto 50m on players how on earth can we not financially compete with any of these, even newly promoted clubs are blowing us out of the water

I don't want this guy to sign he's absolute s**** and if we go into season with him and Joselu/Gayle as our strikers we will be lucky to score 10 goals between the 3 next season
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: manorpark on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:13:03 pm
£127 M from last season.

£50 M already from next season.

STOLEN?

Can someone ring the Police???
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rupert Pupkin on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:13:25 pm
So a Premier League team can't afford to buy a Championship player and also can't afford to pay said player what he's earning at Championship team

What the f*** is going on man. Where is the money and when mid table teams are spending upto 50m on players how on earth can we not financially compete with any of these, even newly promoted clubs are blowing us out of the water

I don't want this guy to sign he's absolute s**** and if we go into season with him and Joselu/Gayle as our strikers we will be lucky to score 10 goals between the 3 next season

He scored ten last season playing for Pardew man, in a team that was absolutely woeful. Our transfer situation is abysmal, but shitting on Rondon because he isn't a £50m striker is just silly.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:17:29 pm
He might just be class then. He said Kenedy was absolute s*** n'al.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:23:24 pm

we will go with Gayle and Joselu, im sure of it, its too close to find a bargain now.

f***ing b****** of an owner at times.

God, the thought of those two being our strikeforce this season....

I know it is a depressing period, but that isn't going to happen man. We'll either sign a striker or put Mitro back in the mix, and I am personally pretty sure we'll be bringing in a striker even if it is Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: 54 on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:35:54 pm
Quote
    West Brom are discussing Dwight Gayle as part of a deal for Salomon Rondon
   
Newcastle have failed with a loan move and a swap involving Rolando Aarons
   
They also hope Rondon lowers his wage demands to fit their existing structure

Three of the most depressing sentences I think I've ever read.
Fuckkkkiinngg Hell :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TheInfiniteOdyssey on Saturday 21 July 2018, 05:46:47 pm
Quote
    West Brom are discussing Dwight Gayle as part of a deal for Salomon Rondon
   
Newcastle have failed with a loan move and a swap involving Rolando Aarons
   
They also hope Rondon lowers his wage demands to fit their existing structure

Three of the most depressing sentences I think I've ever read.

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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 21 July 2018, 06:32:02 pm
If true, backs up that there is no cash to spend. Media need to be asking where all of the TV money has gone.
Sky says it's went on our £100m wage bill. That's as far as the inquest ever goes.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Saturday 21 July 2018, 06:37:43 pm
Does anyone remember when we were Newcastle United. Like we actually bought the best young player in Europe and he didn’t even start. Now look at us. It’s pathetic.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 21 July 2018, 06:39:22 pm
f*** the TV money, even when you ignore that we are still an utter joke who get outspent by Championship clubs every single summer.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Saturday 21 July 2018, 06:43:24 pm
It’s just getting f***ing humiliating now
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Saturday 21 July 2018, 06:58:41 pm
If true, backs up that there is no cash to spend. Media need to be asking where all of the TV money has gone.
Sky says it's went on our £100m wage bill. That's as far as the inquest ever goes.

So by that logic every Premier League team should be in same boat using tv money to pay wage bill

What utter nonsense and what a bunch of lying c***s
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 21 July 2018, 07:00:59 pm
If true, backs up that there is no cash to spend. Media need to be asking where all of the TV money has gone.
Sky says it's went on our £100m wage bill. That's as far as the inquest ever goes.

So by that logic every Premier League team should be in same boat using tv money to pay wage bill

What utter nonsense and what a bunch of lying c***s
Well said.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 21 July 2018, 07:04:42 pm
If true, backs up that there is no cash to spend. Media need to be asking where all of the TV money has gone.
Sky says it's went on our £100m wage bill. That's as far as the inquest ever goes.

So by that logic every Premier League team should be in same boat using tv money to pay wage bill

What utter nonsense and what a bunch of lying c***s
Well said.

aye, that's the first thing one of these journalist c***s should have said when it came up as well
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 21 July 2018, 07:08:25 pm
It's definitely bollocks like, our actual wage bill can't be anything near £100m.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 21 July 2018, 07:14:47 pm
This is humiliating.

Not only are we resorting to shitty Salomon Rondon, but we won't even meet his fee or under-the-going-rate wages. For Salomon Rondon :lol:

f*** this s***, would rather have Josh King! Everyone's laughing at us so hard.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: John P on Saturday 21 July 2018, 07:22:08 pm
Do they honestly expect us to believe that we don't have any money, and that all the money we receive will go on wages? Amazing how other clubs like Brighton, Fulham and Huddersfield have managed to not only set aside money for wages, but also splash tens of millions on players. Ridiculous, insulting, infuriating and pathetic.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Saturday 21 July 2018, 07:29:16 pm
Rafa sell the f***ing lot of them and then f*** off yourself, let Ashley rot in his own mess
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 07:45:28 pm
Does anyone else think the £16.5m release clause for Rondon is a bit high? He's 28, I'm just thinking he would probably struggle to command that sort of fee even without a clause.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 21 July 2018, 08:04:02 pm


Does anyone else think the £16.5m release clause for Rondon is a bit high? He's 28, I'm just thinking he would probably struggle to command that sort of fee even without a clause.

Isn't he also in the last year of his contract or did I make that up?

Not fussed about using Gayle if we also bring muto/origi in.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 21 July 2018, 08:08:55 pm
Gayle is s***.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 21 July 2018, 08:11:29 pm
Gayle couldn't finish but his style of play really benefited us in the second half of the season, especially for Shelvey
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thenige on Saturday 21 July 2018, 09:45:43 pm
Does anyone else think the £16.5m release clause for Rondon is a bit high? He's 28, I'm just thinking he would probably struggle to command that sort of fee even without a clause.

Leicester just paid £12.5m for Danny Ward, a player ostensibly Liverpool’s fourth choice goalkeeper. Nothing with transfer fees surprises me now or strikes me as ‘high’ especially when English clubs are involved. It is absolutely mental across the board.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 21 July 2018, 10:09:19 pm
If they do swap Gayle, or part ex we'd better picky be paying pennies. We could surely sell Gayle for £15m cash for f***s sake.

Hate this transfer window.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Saturday 21 July 2018, 10:26:19 pm
We wouldn’t get any of that 15m, just like we won’t be getting any of the 20m we get for Mitro.

Mike is literally taking any penny he can get into buying up shares of one of his deplorable investments.

I actually think he’s skint. It’s the only thing that ads up.

He’s already shown that he has no sense when it comes to this club (ie value being higher/ club seeming more of an attractive purchase when we’re actually decent) so why would he have any now that he’s broke and in denial.

He’ll have to sell us on the cheap once administrators are appointed to his assets.. won’t have any say in it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Saturday 21 July 2018, 11:08:34 pm
Does anyone else think the £16.5m release clause for Rondon is a bit high? He's 28, I'm just thinking he would probably struggle to command that sort of fee even without a clause.

Leicester just paid £12.5m for Danny Ward, a player ostensibly Liverpool’s fourth choice goalkeeper. Nothing with transfer fees surprises me now or strikes me as ‘high’ especially when English clubs are involved. It is absolutely mental across the board.



Aye fair play I suppose, we always seem to be a decade behind the market when it comes to buying players anyway, that might be what's distorting perception. Still got that Blobby Elliott transfer stuck in my mind when LLambias offered something like 150k, like we were back in the 70's or something. :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stottie on Sunday 22 July 2018, 01:55:42 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Sunday 22 July 2018, 02:20:22 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Aye probably wrong thread for it. But yeah I think he’s skint. If there really is an offer of a 3 year contract for Rafa and lots to spend etc, Rafa should sign it and then if Mike reneges on it, he’s got an open shut reason to walk.

Getting back to Rondon. Aarons + Gayle + a small amount of money for a player valued at 17.5m, doesn’t seem like a great deal for us. Gayle despite being s*** will probably score as many goals over a season as Rondon will, but.. he probably won’t affect games as much.

We are where we are i suppose.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sean on Sunday 22 July 2018, 02:23:29 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Aye probably wrong thread for it. But yeah I think he’s skint. If there really is an offer of a 3 year contract for Rafa and lots to spend etc, Rafa should sign it and then if Mike reneges on it, he’s got an open shut reason to walk.

Getting back to Rondon. Aarons + Gayle + a small amount of money for a player valued at 17.5m, doesn’t seem like a great deal for us. Gayle despite being s*** will probably score as many goals over a season as Rondon will, but.. he probably won’t affect games as much.

We are where we are i suppose.

Where you've said "if there really is" is the big sticking point here. Mike won't be putting any guarantees in Rafas contract lets get real here. Rafa is reasonable, Ashley is not. Rafa should absolutely not sign a contract.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rupert Pupkin on Sunday 22 July 2018, 02:27:37 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Or, he does actually intend to sell some time soon, but he knows nobody will match his asking price, so he is looking to take as much money out of the club as possible, and then sell for a lower fee. If that's the plan he will have to sell some time this year though, while Rafa is still under contract, and he is gambling on us not being in deep relegation difficulties early in the season which will lower the value of the club once again. I'm a hopeless optimist.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sean on Sunday 22 July 2018, 02:32:26 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Or, he does actually intend to sell some time soon, but he knows nobody will match his asking price, so he is looking to take as much money out of the club as possible, and then sell for a lower fee. If that's the plan he will have to sell some time this year though, while Rafa is still under contract, and he is gambling on us not being in deep relegation difficulties early in the season which will lower the value of the club once again. I'm a hopeless optimist.

He will absolutely do this before he does sell. Whether thats soon, or whether we've got another 10+ years of him doing so is the question. Also I don't think he'll sell for a lower fee, I think he wants it all.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 02:33:39 pm
Aarons + Gayle + a small amount of money for a player valued at 17.5m,

where's this from?  f*** me that would be an incredibly bad deal man, holy s***
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: nufcjb on Sunday 22 July 2018, 03:04:47 pm
I'd keep Mitro than get this f***er on loan tbh
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 22 July 2018, 03:54:46 pm
What a fresh and interesting insight.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HawK on Sunday 22 July 2018, 04:47:03 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Or, he does actually intend to sell some time soon, but he knows nobody will match his asking price, so he is looking to take as much money out of the club as possible, and then sell for a lower fee. If that's the plan he will have to sell some time this year though, while Rafa is still under contract, and he is gambling on us not being in deep relegation difficulties early in the season which will lower the value of the club once again. I'm a hopeless optimist.

He will absolutely do this before he does sell. Whether thats soon, or whether we've got another 10+ years of him doing so is the question. Also I don't think he'll sell for a lower fee, I think he wants it all.

He's never going to sell, why do people still believe he does :lol: Selling NUFC, the brand that has doubled his personal fortune in ten years as a free advertising vehicle, would make no financial sense whatsoever. As long as the club is in the PL, that's all that matters to him. Unless someone comes in with an absolutely rediculous offer, get comfy because Ashley's first ten years is up, but I'm expecting 20 more.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:02:30 pm
Simon Jordon said on Talksport on Friday that if Ashley was serious about selling he could do it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Belfast Boy on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:09:22 pm
Simon Jordon said on Talksport on Friday that if Ashley was serious about selling he could do it in a heartbeat.

Simon Jordan is one of the few (ex) football club owners who is as much of a t*** as Ashley
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:13:55 pm
Right about that though.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HawK on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:16:25 pm
At the risk of derailing the thread further, the only scenario where he sells NUFC is it is no longer in his best interests to keep it financially. E.g. the losses incurred by a sustained period of time outside the PL that would a) hit the club's value and b) reduce the exposure of his primary company, Sports Direct. Also, having to sell it as a consequence of balancing losses/debts incurred by his other businesses. e.g. Sports Direct.

So the logical choice that supporters of this club should deduce is that NUFC needs to be associated negatively with Sports Direct, e.g. empty stadiums, vandalised logos and branding, or somehow derail a global retail and online empire so that he needs to sell the club to keep himself finanicially solvent. I know which is the easier one to achieve.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:18:11 pm
Simon Jordon said on Talksport on Friday that if Ashley was serious about selling he could do it in a heartbeat.

He is but he is still right in that mind
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gorilla on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:31:11 pm
My west Brom mate says this has been agreed now. No details but clubs have come to terms apparently. Really don't fancy him though. Probably better than Gayle or Joseph but would rather give Mitro a go.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:33:48 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5979947/Newcastle-West-Brom-discussing-swap-deal-involving-strikers-Salomon-Rondon-Dwight-Gayle.html

New name at the bottom. Sels' fee looks suspect.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:34:00 pm
Being ‘serious’ about selling us, is different to being desperate to sell. He can sit back for years and wait for the right price offer to come in.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Greg on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:34:11 pm
My west Brom mate says this has been agreed now. No details but clubs have come to terms apparently. Really don't fancy him though. Probably better than Gayle or Joseph but would rather give Mitro a go.

Any dream will do.

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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:38:53 pm
What a fresh and interesting insight.

:lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:40:16 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5979947/Newcastle-West-Brom-discussing-swap-deal-involving-strikers-Salomon-Rondon-Dwight-Gayle.html

New name at the bottom. Sels' fee looks suspect.

gah, if you're gonna click mail/sun links yourself at least post the text in here as well to save us having to pls
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:41:06 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5979947/Newcastle-West-Brom-discussing-swap-deal-involving-strikers-Salomon-Rondon-Dwight-Gayle.html

New name at the bottom. Sels' fee looks suspect.

gah, if you're gonna click mail/sun links yourself at least post the text in here as well to save us having to pls
Don't read it then.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TheInfiniteOdyssey on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:41:07 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5979947/Newcastle-West-Brom-discussing-swap-deal-involving-strikers-Salomon-Rondon-Dwight-Gayle.html

New name at the bottom. Sels' fee looks suspect.

Only £5.5m for Mbemba according to that.  :yao:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:42:42 pm
My west Brom mate says this has been agreed now. No details but clubs have come to terms apparently. Really don't fancy him though. Probably better than Gayle or Joseph but would rather give Mitro a go.

agreed as a swap, purchase or what?

i'll be disproportionately angry if we give them gayle plus cash like
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:43:58 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5979947/Newcastle-West-Brom-discussing-swap-deal-involving-strikers-Salomon-Rondon-Dwight-Gayle.html

New name at the bottom. Sels' fee looks suspect.

gah, if you're gonna click mail/sun links yourself at least post the text in here as well to save us having to pls
Don't read it then.

:lol: you've just done a chronicle billboard thing from years back

UNITED LINKED WITH STAR

'course i'm gonna look :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rupert Pupkin on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:45:05 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Or, he does actually intend to sell some time soon, but he knows nobody will match his asking price, so he is looking to take as much money out of the club as possible, and then sell for a lower fee. If that's the plan he will have to sell some time this year though, while Rafa is still under contract, and he is gambling on us not being in deep relegation difficulties early in the season which will lower the value of the club once again. I'm a hopeless optimist.

He will absolutely do this before he does sell. Whether thats soon, or whether we've got another 10+ years of him doing so is the question. Also I don't think he'll sell for a lower fee, I think he wants it all.

He's never going to sell, why do people still believe he does :lol: Selling NUFC, the brand that has doubled his personal fortune in ten years as a free advertising vehicle, would make no financial sense whatsoever. As long as the club is in the PL, that's all that matters to him. Unless someone comes in with an absolutely rediculous offer, get comfy because Ashley's first ten years is up, but I'm expecting 20 more.

He's not going to sell as long as we can maintain our PL status, but he's not a moron, he knows he is undermining our ability to do that by not investing this summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him quit while he's ahead and sell the club this season.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:47:45 pm
He's not going to sell as long as we can maintain our PL status, but he's not a moron, he knows he is undermining our ability to do that by not investing this summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him quit while he's ahead and sell the club this season.

it will take a ludicrous offer to get him to sell imo, probs £500m or something, and they simply don't exist
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:48:56 pm
Simon Jordon said on Talksport on Friday that if Ashley was serious about selling he could do it in a heartbeat.

Simon Jordan is one of the few (ex) football club owners who is as much of a t*** as Ashley
He’s also a friend of Ashley’s and is one of his biggest supporters.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:50:11 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5979947/Newcastle-West-Brom-discussing-swap-deal-involving-strikers-Salomon-Rondon-Dwight-Gayle.html

New name at the bottom. Sels' fee looks suspect.

gah, if you're gonna click mail/sun links yourself at least post the text in here as well to save us having to pls
Don't read it then.

:lol: you've just done a chronicle billboard thing from years back

UNITED LINKED WITH STAR

'course i'm gonna look :lol:
Thought we made a rule where Chronicle and DM articles have to be posted in full in order to stop people from clicking on their website and heraring them advert revenue?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 05:51:13 pm
nah, few of us just continually moan about it :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 22 July 2018, 06:09:10 pm
Straight swap sounds good.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 06:34:57 pm
Straight swap sounds good.

aye that would actually be a decent deal for both parties imo, i'd say they were getting the better end of it myself actually given what gayle did last time in the champo

i'm annoyed by the thought of giving them money on top :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 22 July 2018, 06:38:33 pm
A swap deal still leaves us a striker short imo, if you discount Armstrong like
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 22 July 2018, 06:50:23 pm
There doesn't seem much variety in having Rondon, Mitrovic and Joselu as our strikers in my opinion in terms of style of play.

Think we need to have at least one striker playing on the shoulder of the last defender like Gayle
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 22 July 2018, 07:00:49 pm
There doesn't seem much variety in having Rondon, Mitrovic and Joselu as our strikers in my opinion in terms of style of play.

Think we need to have at least one striker playing on the shoulder of the last defender like Gayle

Yeah massively. I'd like a forward who can pick up the ball and drive it as well. None of them can do that
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 22 July 2018, 10:22:12 pm
There doesn't seem much variety in having Rondon, Mitrovic and Joselu as our strikers in my opinion in terms of style of play.

Think we need to have at least one striker playing on the shoulder of the last defender like Gayle


I know he got that injury at WBA, but I'd take a punt on Sturridge again.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sean on Sunday 22 July 2018, 10:27:02 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Or, he does actually intend to sell some time soon, but he knows nobody will match his asking price, so he is looking to take as much money out of the club as possible, and then sell for a lower fee. If that's the plan he will have to sell some time this year though, while Rafa is still under contract, and he is gambling on us not being in deep relegation difficulties early in the season which will lower the value of the club once again. I'm a hopeless optimist.

He will absolutely do this before he does sell. Whether thats soon, or whether we've got another 10+ years of him doing so is the question. Also I don't think he'll sell for a lower fee, I think he wants it all.

He's never going to sell, why do people still believe he does :lol: Selling NUFC, the brand that has doubled his personal fortune in ten years as a free advertising vehicle, would make no financial sense whatsoever. As long as the club is in the PL, that's all that matters to him. Unless someone comes in with an absolutely rediculous offer, get comfy because Ashley's first ten years is up, but I'm expecting 20 more.

That came across wrong, I agree with you. Just meant he's gonna keep taking money for years and if he ever sells it'll be at a ridiculous price. We're f***ed basically, was just trying to make one post that didn't seem suicidal  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 22 July 2018, 10:39:47 pm
Further to Odin's point, we are on course to lose Rafa Benitez, which will take millions off the realistic sale price of the club. The strongest possible reason to be taking money out and ensuring Rafa leaves is that he must need it now.

Or, he does actually intend to sell some time soon, but he knows nobody will match his asking price, so he is looking to take as much money out of the club as possible, and then sell for a lower fee. If that's the plan he will have to sell some time this year though, while Rafa is still under contract, and he is gambling on us not being in deep relegation difficulties early in the season which will lower the value of the club once again. I'm a hopeless optimist.

He will absolutely do this before he does sell. Whether thats soon, or whether we've got another 10+ years of him doing so is the question. Also I don't think he'll sell for a lower fee, I think he wants it all.

He's never going to sell, why do people still believe he does :lol: Selling NUFC, the brand that has doubled his personal fortune in ten years as a free advertising vehicle, would make no financial sense whatsoever. As long as the club is in the PL, that's all that matters to him. Unless someone comes in with an absolutely rediculous offer, get comfy because Ashley's first ten years is up, but I'm expecting 20 more.

He's not going to sell as long as we can maintain our PL status, but he's not a moron, he knows he is undermining our ability to do that by not investing this summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him quit while he's ahead and sell the club this season.

Debateable
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gorilla on Sunday 22 July 2018, 10:47:29 pm
My west Brom mate says this has been agreed now. No details but clubs have come to terms apparently. Really don't fancy him though. Probably better than Gayle or Joseph but would rather give Mitro a go.

agreed as a swap, purchase or what?

i'll be disproportionately angry if we give them gayle plus cash like
Literally no idea. I feel the same. We should just loan Gayle out to any Championship side as if he is fit any club threatening promotion will go up. Gayle is worth more to them than Rondon is to us but if Rafa wants him I won't argue
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:33:40 am
My west Brom mate says this has been agreed now. No details but clubs have come to terms apparently. Really don't fancy him though. Probably better than Gayle or Joseph but would rather give Mitro a go.

agreed as a swap, purchase or what?

i'll be disproportionately angry if we give them gayle plus cash like
Literally no idea. I feel the same. We should just loan Gayle out to any Championship side as if he is fit any club threatening promotion will go up. Gayle is worth more to them than Rondon is to us but if Rafa wants him I won't argue

i'm more angry about how that would show just how mad we are negotiating/selling players and how bad a position we've put ourselves in this transfer window

gayle should sell himself to any champo club for +£15m imo
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 23 July 2018, 07:22:18 am
Not if they think he’s lost something since his injury.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 07:31:30 am
Not if they think he’s lost something since his injury.

right but that's negotiating..we're trying to get a striker off them who is entering the last year of his contract and no one else is remotely interested in, they're interested in a guy who ripped the champo up 2 years ago and there's no evidence to suggest he can't do it again

a competent team would be getting a deal that favours us imho
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 23 July 2018, 07:39:30 am
A striker in for as little outlay as possible, for a player we know isn’t good enough to lead the line in the Premier League is good business surely?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 07:41:40 am
A striker in for as little outlay as possible, for a player we know isn’t good enough to lead the line in the Premier League is good business surely?

key to the issue, by all reports it seems like WBA have us over a barrel when it really should be the other way around imo
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Monday 23 July 2018, 07:44:17 am
Two f***ing weeks haggling over a championship player with a set release clause that we don't really want, what a s*** summer.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:13:23 am
Not if they think he’s lost something since his injury.

right but that's negotiating..we're trying to get a striker off them who is entering the last year of his contract and no one else is remotely interested in, they're interested in a guy who ripped the champo up 2 years ago and there's no evidence to suggest he can't do it again

a competent team would be getting a deal that favours us imho

Sorry, but how do you know "no one else is remotely interested"?! :lol:

Why do people feel the need to be so over the top to convince themselves things are so unbelievably terrible?

It really is quite ridiculous.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:16:07 am
Not if they think he’s lost something since his injury.

right but that's negotiating..we're trying to get a striker off them who is entering the last year of his contract and no one else is remotely interested in, they're interested in a guy who ripped the champo up 2 years ago and there's no evidence to suggest he can't do it again

a competent team would be getting a deal that favours us imho

Sorry, but how do you know "no one else is remotely interested"?! :lol:

Why do people feel the need to be so over the top to convince themselves things are so unbelievably terrible?

It's really unbelievable.

there have been no reports of anyone else being interested in meeting his £17m release clause then, is that better?  if you've seen any reports of other clubs competing for his signature please share them

i'm absolutely convinced everyone involved with ashley behind the scenes is utterly terrible and not remotely suitable to be doing the deals we need yeah, what convinces you otherwise?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:18:59 am
Two f***ing weeks haggling over a championship player with a set release clause that we don't really want, what a s*** summer.

Once again.

He has never played in the championship hus whole career. He us not a championship player.

Our striker Gayle, on the other hand, has spent most of his career in the championship and leagles even lower than that.

You guys need to get out of your feelings and quit being so over dramatic.

You can not like the move but be rational about it. It's really silly.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:20:48 am
Two f***ing weeks haggling over a championship player with a set release clause that we don't really want, what a s*** summer.

Once again.

He has never played in the championship hus whole career. He us not a championship player.

Our striker Gayle, on the other hand, has spent most of his career in the championship and leagles even lower than that.

You guys need to get out of your feelings and quit being so over dramatic.

You can not like the move but be rational about it. It's really silly.

You're nit-picking.

He's a striker currently employed by a club in the Championship. That makes him a championship striker. If he played for Wolves, we'd be calling him a premiership striker, even though he'd been playing in the championship.

You already know this though.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:21:32 am
Not if they think he’s lost something since his injury.

right but that's negotiating..we're trying to get a striker off them who is entering the last year of his contract and no one else is remotely interested in, they're interested in a guy who ripped the champo up 2 years ago and there's no evidence to suggest he can't do it again

a competent team would be getting a deal that favours us imho

Sorry, but how do you know "no one else is remotely interested"?! :lol:

Why do people feel the need to be so over the top to convince themselves things are so unbelievably terrible?

It's really unbelievable.

there have been no reports of anyone else being interested in meeting his £17m release clause then, is that better?  if you've seen any reports of other clubs competing for his signature please share them

i'm absolutely convinced everyone involved with ashley behind the scenes is utterly terrible and not remotely suitable to be doing the deals we need yeah, what convinces you otherwise?

Just temper your emotions a bit. You'really setting yourself up to look so bad if he joins, because he will do really well.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:22:53 am
Not if they think he’s lost something since his injury.

right but that's negotiating..we're trying to get a striker off them who is entering the last year of his contract and no one else is remotely interested in, they're interested in a guy who ripped the champo up 2 years ago and there's no evidence to suggest he can't do it again

a competent team would be getting a deal that favours us imho

Sorry, but how do you know "no one else is remotely interested"?! :lol:

Why do people feel the need to be so over the top to convince themselves things are so unbelievably terrible?

It's really unbelievable.

there have been no reports of anyone else being interested in meeting his £17m release clause then, is that better?  if you've seen any reports of other clubs competing for his signature please share them

i'm absolutely convinced everyone involved with ashley behind the scenes is utterly terrible and not remotely suitable to be doing the deals we need yeah, what convinces you otherwise?

Just temper your emotions a bit. You'really setting yourself up to look so bad if he joins, because he will do really well.

His original point was about the negotiation of the deal though, right?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:25:18 am
Not if they think he’s lost something since his injury.

right but that's negotiating..we're trying to get a striker off them who is entering the last year of his contract and no one else is remotely interested in, they're interested in a guy who ripped the champo up 2 years ago and there's no evidence to suggest he can't do it again

a competent team would be getting a deal that favours us imho

Sorry, but how do you know "no one else is remotely interested"?! :lol:

Why do people feel the need to be so over the top to convince themselves things are so unbelievably terrible?

It's really unbelievable.

there have been no reports of anyone else being interested in meeting his £17m release clause then, is that better?  if you've seen any reports of other clubs competing for his signature please share them

i'm absolutely convinced everyone involved with ashley behind the scenes is utterly terrible and not remotely suitable to be doing the deals we need yeah, what convinces you otherwise?

Just temper your emotions a bit. You'really setting yourself up to look so bad if he joins, because he will do really well.

His original point was about the negotiation of the deal though, right?

yeah, i've not said a f***ing thing about rondon :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:27:23 am
He makes out Rondon is no good by stating no one is interested. The idea that Gayle's value should be the same as his is also completely incorrect. It just is.

No team in any league picks Gayle ahead of Rondon, ever.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:28:07 am
Just discovered that Mr Mojo Risin is a song.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:30:56 am
He makes out Rondon is no good by stating no one is interested. The idea that Gayle's value should be the same as his is also completely incorrect. It just is.

No team in any league picks Gayle ahead of Rondon, ever.

i don't know enough about rondon either way though i suspect he'll not score enough PL goals

my point was about how gayle is valued actually, we know rondon can be bought for £17m and is coming to the last year of his contract...gayle is english and has proven he can rip the champo up, the point was simply in valuation terms we shouldn't be giving them much, if anything at all, in such a "swap" deal

perhaps you need to take emotion out of it 'cause you're coming across like you're permanently hopped up on goofballs and everything is peachy when it's not
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:31:11 am
Just discovered that Mr Mojo Risin is a song.

it's not tho
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 23 July 2018, 08:39:09 am
He makes out Rondon is no good by stating no one is interested. The idea that Gayle's value should be the same as his is also completely incorrect. It just is.

No team in any league picks Gayle ahead of Rondon, ever.

i don't know enough about rondon either way though i suspect he'll not score enough PL goals

my point was about how gayle is valued actually, we know rondon can be bought for £17m and is coming to the last year of his contract...gayle is english and has proven he can rip the champo up, the point was simply in valuation terms we shouldn't be giving them much, if anything at all, in such a "swap" deal

perhaps you need to take emotion out of it 'cause you're coming across like you're permanently hopped up on goofballs and everything is peachy when it's not

Okay. Well it's just a matter of time. We'll see how things play out.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Collage on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:02:43 am
Just discovered that Mr Mojo Risin is a song.

It’s not, it’s an anagram of Jim Morrison. He does sing ”Mr Mojo risin” repeatedly in one song though, don’t remember which.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:04:47 am
L.A. Woman
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:04:50 am
Just discovered that Mr Mojo Risin is a song.

It’s not, it’s an anagram of Jim Morrison. He does sing ”Mr Mojo risin” repeatedly in one song though, don’t remember which.

la woman
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ads on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:07:01 am
LA Woman
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:18:01 am
La WOman
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:37:44 am
Didn't know you all spoke French.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:40:34 am
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: James on Monday 23 July 2018, 10:57:39 am
Just discovered that Mr Mojo Risin is a song.

It’s not, it’s an anagram of Jim Morrison. He does sing ”Mr Mojo risin” repeatedly in one song though, don’t remember which.

la woman

The ejaculation just left the atmosphere
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kanji on Monday 23 July 2018, 03:51:57 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LFEE on Monday 23 July 2018, 03:56:41 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

One of the most overrated bands there has been musically. The End however is great.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Monday 23 July 2018, 03:58:31 pm
Salomon Rondoors
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:01:27 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

One of the most overrated bands there has been musically. The End however is great.

are you not a massive oasis fan? :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:01:40 pm
Two f***ing weeks haggling over a championship player with a set release clause that we don't really want, what a s*** summer.

Once again.

He has never played in the championship hus whole career. He us not a championship player.

Our striker Gayle, on the other hand, has spent most of his career in the championship and leagles even lower than that.

You guys need to get out of your feelings and quit being so over dramatic.

You can not like the move but be rational about it. It's really silly.

You're nit-picking.

He's a striker currently employed by a club in the Championship. That makes him a championship striker. If he played for Wolves, we'd be calling him a premiership striker, even though he'd been playing in the championship.

You already know this though.

Not the best point, though. Not many people referred the likes of Shaqiri, Wijnaldum, Sissoko, etc as Championship players.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:06:41 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

Peace Frog.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:07:56 pm
Two f***ing weeks haggling over a championship player with a set release clause that we don't really want, what a s*** summer.

Once again.

He has never played in the championship hus whole career. He us not a championship player.

Our striker Gayle, on the other hand, has spent most of his career in the championship and leagles even lower than that.

You guys need to get out of your feelings and quit being so over dramatic.

You can not like the move but be rational about it. It's really silly.

You're nit-picking.

He's a striker currently employed by a club in the Championship. That makes him a championship striker. If he played for Wolves, we'd be calling him a premiership striker, even though he'd been playing in the championship.

You already know this though.

Not the best point, though. Not many people referred the likes of Shaqiri, Wijnaldum, Sissoko, etc as Championship players.

How many conversations were there about negotiating with their clubs at the time. The player is not the debate, the negotiation is. Not hard to grasp.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thomas on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:08:08 pm
What the f*** is going on here
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LFEE on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:16:47 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

One of the most overrated bands there has been musically. The End however is great.

are you not a massive oasis fan? :lol:

Don’t mind them but R.E.M. are my band.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Hhtoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:20:49 pm
What the f*** is going on here

It's like a s**** soap opera. Actually, a dramatic reading of the forum would be funny at the moment.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:21:09 pm
What the f*** is going on here

Kaka is getting grilled and flame roasted for suggesting Rondon's far better than he might be. I have no idea tbh, I'm staying out of it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 04:45:51 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

One of the most overrated bands there has been musically. The End however is great.

are you not a massive oasis fan? :lol:

Don’t mind them but R.E.M. are my band.

apologies!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Monday 23 July 2018, 05:03:07 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

In the true spirit of a Salomon Rondon thread, my 5 favourite Doors tracks are (no order):

1. Been Down So Long
2. L.A. Woman
3. Back Door Man
4. Moonlight Drive
5. Soul Kitchen

I love how bloody creepy & eerie some of their tunes are, it's the organs & the slide guitars man, brilliant.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 05:58:15 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

One of the most overrated bands there has been musically. The End however is great.

No way
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LFEE on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:01:48 pm
Too much basic 12 bar blue scales. A lot of filler very little killer.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:03:55 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

In the true spirit of a Salomon Rondon thread, my 5 favourite Doors tracks are (no order):

1. Been Down So Long
2. L.A. Woman
3. Back Door Man
4. Moonlight Drive
5. Soul Kitchen

I love how bloody creepy & eerie some of their tunes are, it's the organs & the slide guitars man, brilliant.

Soul Kitchen is such an underrated tune. So good. Some of his best lyrics.

1) Roadhouse Blues
2) La Woman
3) Five to One
4) Peace frog
5) Wild Child

Honorable mentions, Love Street, When The Music's Over, Riders on the Storm, 


LA Woman and the Self titled are the best albums imo.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:07:21 pm
Too much basic 12 bar blue scales. A lot of filler very little killer.

Ray was an absolutely insane musician man. Played the bass lines on one handed on that  Vox organ, while playing the main melodies with the other. He was crazy. Also had the best frontman there ever has been and probably ever will be.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:15:13 pm
Too much basic 12 bar blue scales. A lot of filler very little killer.

Ray was an absolutely insane musician man. Played the bass lines on one handed on that  Vox organ, while playing the main melodies with the other. He was crazy. Also had the best frontman there ever has been and probably ever will be.

Not that it matters like, but that's just playing the organ. [emoji38]
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:21:31 pm
Great music has often little to do with technical playing anyway. Energy, emotion & inspiration are what creates beautiful music for me. I have this discussion constantly with my two of my exclusively 70's prog rock listening friends. Man, so much of that stuff has no soul, it's just playing technically for the sake of it. A dick size competition, really. Great tunes come from the soul, or some place more abstract like that. The Doors had it in abundance.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:25:48 pm
Too much basic 12 bar blue scales. A lot of filler very little killer.

Ray was an absolutely insane musician man. Played the bass lines on one handed on that  Vox organ, while playing the main melodies with the other. He was crazy. Also had the best frontman there ever has been and probably ever will be.

Not that it matters like, but that's just playing the organ. [emoji38]

aye, but they had no bassist until LA woman or Morrison Hotel maybe. Slightly different to be able to be a live bands bassist. It was actually slightly different as well, he had Fender Rhodes keyboard bass, on top of the Organ that he played left handed then played the songs main melodies with his right.. So he was the band's bassist essentially.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:28:53 pm
Great music has often little to do with technical playing anyway. Energy, emotion & inspiration are what creates beautiful music for me. I have this discussion constantly with my two of my exclusively 70's prog rock listening friends. Man, so much of that stuff has no soul, it's just playing technically for the sake of it. A dick size competition, really. Great tunes come from the soul, or some place more abstract like that. The Doors had it in abundance.

is the right answer

densmore was an underrated drummer well imo, and i agree with mandoon about ray he was fuckin nuts

great band
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: QuakesMag on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:31:53 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

In the true spirit of a Salomon Rondon thread, my 5 favourite Doors tracks are (no order):

1. Been Down So Long
2. L.A. Woman
3. Back Door Man
4. Moonlight Drive
5. Soul Kitchen

I love how bloody creepy & eerie some of their tunes are, it's the organs & the slide guitars man, brilliant.

Soul Kitchen is such an underrated tune. So good. Some of his best lyrics.

1) Roadhouse Blues
2) La Woman
3) Five to One
4) Peace frog
5) Wild Child

Honorable mentions, Love Street, When The Music's Over, Riders on the Storm, 


LA Woman and the Self titled are the best albums imo.

No love for Hyacinth House?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:33:09 pm
This thread is actually more interesting now, can we try it with the Ashley thread too?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:34:18 pm
Great music has often little to do with technical playing anyway. Energy, emotion & inspiration are what creates beautiful music for me. I have this discussion constantly with my two of my exclusively 70's prog rock listening friends. Man, so much of that stuff has no soul, it's just playing technically for the sake of it. A dick size competition, really. Great tunes come from the soul, or some place more abstract like that. The Doors had it in abundance.

is the right answer

densmore was an underrated drummer well imo, and i agree with mandoon about ray he was fuckin nuts

great band

:thup: and yeah agree. People often equate simplicity with being somehow bad, but I mean no one in say Oasis or Arctic monkeys could play any remotely decent death metal guitar, or drums. Doesn't mean the music is bad. There's some insane guitarists on youtube, but its the actual songwriting that is the hard part. And yeah densmore was great. Here's a nerdy fact, he had a stress rash for the entirety of Jim's time in the band and only went away when he left. I reckon they are the only band that I have read/watched 99% of media available.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: wormy on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:34:32 pm
Do we know Rondon's favorite Doors hit?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:35:44 pm
Salomon Rondon,
Linked on a Monday,
Checked on Tuesday,
Monitored on Wednesday,
Low offer on Thursday,
Worse offer on a Friday,
Rydered on Saturday,
Tried but failed on Sunday,
That was the end,
Of Salomon Rondon
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:36:40 pm
What a song that is as well. Top 5 Doors tune.

what is your top 5 for the doors?

1. light my fire
2. la woman
3. break on through
4. roadhouse blues
5. love me two times

honorable mention: love her madly, bama song, five to one, when music is over

could go on forever, f***ing love the doors.

also this is better than this rank thread.

In the true spirit of a Salomon Rondon thread, my 5 favourite Doors tracks are (no order):

1. Been Down So Long
2. L.A. Woman
3. Back Door Man
4. Moonlight Drive
5. Soul Kitchen

I love how bloody creepy & eerie some of their tunes are, it's the organs & the slide guitars man, brilliant.

Soul Kitchen is such an underrated tune. So good. Some of his best lyrics.

1) Roadhouse Blues
2) La Woman
3) Five to One
4) Peace frog
5) Wild Child

Honorable mentions, Love Street, When The Music's Over, Riders on the Storm, 


LA Woman and the Self titled are the best albums imo.

No love for Hyacinth House?

Great song. I missed out a few actually. Cars Hiss By My Window is f***ing great,  Not to touch the earth, Indian Summer,  The Spy, Unknown Soldier
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:39:49 pm
Great music has often little to do with technical playing anyway. Energy, emotion & inspiration are what creates beautiful music for me. I have this discussion constantly with my two of my exclusively 70's prog rock listening friends. Man, so much of that stuff has no soul, it's just playing technically for the sake of it. A dick size competition, really. Great tunes come from the soul, or some place more abstract like that. The Doors had it in abundance.

is the right answer

densmore was an underrated drummer well imo, and i agree with mandoon about ray he was fuckin nuts

great band

:thup: and yeah agree. People often equate simplicity with being somehow bad, but I mean no one in say Oasis or Arctic monkeys could play any remotely decent death metal guitar, or drums. Doesn't mean the music is bad. There's some insane guitarists on youtube, but its the actual songwriting that is the hard part. And yeah densmore was great. Here's a nerdy fact, he had a stress rash for the entirety of Jim's time in the band and only went away when he left. I reckon they are the only band that I have read/watched 99% of media available.

As a drummer, knowing many other drummers, Densmore isn’t underrated at all. Might not appear in NME near Bonham and Moon, but he’s recognised as a huge talent.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thomas on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:40:04 pm
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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:45:04 pm
Great music has often little to do with technical playing anyway. Energy, emotion & inspiration are what creates beautiful music for me. I have this discussion constantly with my two of my exclusively 70's prog rock listening friends. Man, so much of that stuff has no soul, it's just playing technically for the sake of it. A dick size competition, really. Great tunes come from the soul, or some place more abstract like that. The Doors had it in abundance.

is the right answer

densmore was an underrated drummer well imo, and i agree with mandoon about ray he was fuckin nuts

great band

:thup: and yeah agree. People often equate simplicity with being somehow bad, but I mean no one in say Oasis or Arctic monkeys could play any remotely decent death metal guitar, or drums. Doesn't mean the music is bad. There's some insane guitarists on youtube, but its the actual songwriting that is the hard part. And yeah densmore was great. Here's a nerdy fact, he had a stress rash for the entirety of Jim's time in the band and only went away when he left. I reckon they are the only band that I have read/watched 99% of media available.

As a drummer, knowing many other drummers, Densmore isn’t underrated at all. Might not appear in NME near Bonham and Moon, but he’s recognised as a huge talent.

:thup:

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: QuakesMag on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:46:29 pm
Great music has often little to do with technical playing anyway. Energy, emotion & inspiration are what creates beautiful music for me. I have this discussion constantly with my two of my exclusively 70's prog rock listening friends. Man, so much of that stuff has no soul, it's just playing technically for the sake of it. A dick size competition, really. Great tunes come from the soul, or some place more abstract like that. The Doors had it in abundance.

is the right answer

densmore was an underrated drummer well imo, and i agree with mandoon about ray he was fuckin nuts

great band

:thup: and yeah agree. People often equate simplicity with being somehow bad, but I mean no one in say Oasis or Arctic monkeys could play any remotely decent death metal guitar, or drums. Doesn't mean the music is bad. There's some insane guitarists on youtube, but its the actual songwriting that is the hard part. And yeah densmore was great. Here's a nerdy fact, he had a stress rash for the entirety of Jim's time in the band and only went away when he left. I reckon they are the only band that I have read/watched 99% of media available.

Spot on. Yes is a perfect example for me of progressive music often tending to be flat. The prog rock era produced a lot of technically skilled bands, but I just absolutely can't stand their music.

Another example is Yngvie Malmsteen...an obviously technically skilled guitarist, but his music just irritates the s*** out of me. The fat f***er is truly enamored with his own ability to play classical music on the guitar, as if that somehow puts him above the other idiots who were dressing in Croatian flag spandex and using 3 spray cans on their hair.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kanji on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:47:28 pm
roadhouse blues makes me want to start a bar fight
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:47:44 pm
Two f***ing weeks haggling over a championship player with a set release clause that we don't really want, what a s*** summer.

Once again.

He has never played in the championship hus whole career. He us not a championship player.

Our striker Gayle, on the other hand, has spent most of his career in the championship and leagles even lower than that.

You guys need to get out of your feelings and quit being so over dramatic.

You can not like the move but be rational about it. It's really silly.

You're nit-picking.

He's a striker currently employed by a club in the Championship. That makes him a championship striker. If he played for Wolves, we'd be calling him a premiership striker, even though he'd been playing in the championship.

You already know this though.

Not the best point, though. Not many people referred the likes of Shaqiri, Wijnaldum, Sissoko, etc as Championship players.

How many conversations were there about negotiating with their clubs at the time. The player is not the debate, the negotiation is. Not hard to grasp.

When we signed Gayle from Palace with Townsend the other way ironically.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:49:35 pm
Two f***ing weeks haggling over a championship player with a set release clause that we don't really want, what a s*** summer.

Once again.

He has never played in the championship hus whole career. He us not a championship player.

Our striker Gayle, on the other hand, has spent most of his career in the championship and leagles even lower than that.

You guys need to get out of your feelings and quit being so over dramatic.

You can not like the move but be rational about it. It's really silly.

You're nit-picking.

He's a striker currently employed by a club in the Championship. That makes him a championship striker. If he played for Wolves, we'd be calling him a premiership striker, even though he'd been playing in the championship.

You already know this though.

Not the best point, though. Not many people referred the likes of Shaqiri, Wijnaldum, Sissoko, etc as Championship players.

How many conversations were there about negotiating with their clubs at the time. The player is not the debate, the negotiation is. Not hard to grasp.

When we signed Gayle from Palace with Townsend the other way ironically.

So a premiership team finding it easy to deal with a championship club over a championship player?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:53:22 pm
Great music has often little to do with technical playing anyway. Energy, emotion & inspiration are what creates beautiful music for me. I have this discussion constantly with my two of my exclusively 70's prog rock listening friends. Man, so much of that stuff has no soul, it's just playing technically for the sake of it. A dick size competition, really. Great tunes come from the soul, or some place more abstract like that. The Doors had it in abundance.

is the right answer

densmore was an underrated drummer well imo, and i agree with mandoon about ray he was fuckin nuts

great band

:thup: and yeah agree. People often equate simplicity with being somehow bad, but I mean no one in say Oasis or Arctic monkeys could play any remotely decent death metal guitar, or drums. Doesn't mean the music is bad. There's some insane guitarists on youtube, but its the actual songwriting that is the hard part. And yeah densmore was great. Here's a nerdy fact, he had a stress rash for the entirety of Jim's time in the band and only went away when he left. I reckon they are the only band that I have read/watched 99% of media available.

Spot on. Yes is a perfect example for me of progressive music often tending to be flat. The prog rock era produced a lot of technically skilled bands, but I just absolutely can't stand their music.

Another example is Yngvie Malmsteen...an obviously technically skilled guitarist, but his music just irritates the s*** out of me. The fat f***er is truly enamored with his own ability to play classical music on the guitar, as if that somehow puts him above the other idiots who were dressing in Croatian flag spandex and using 3 spray cans on their hair.

Absolutely, its still very much like that now. Especially in metal. Don't get me wrong, it's class to hear someone shred, and it's absolutely to be respected but at the end of the day it's in the melodies and the hooks where people really stand out as song writers. I mean smells like teen spirit is massively basic song, but it's f***ing great.

Just watching this dude now, and f***, he is incredibly skilled, but not my cup of tea. Very unlikable guy.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 06:54:43 pm
roadhouse blues makes me want to start a bar fight

It's honestly so good, absolutely love that song.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 23 July 2018, 07:04:57 pm
This thread atm.

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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Monday 23 July 2018, 07:06:23 pm
The Doors are > Salomon Rondon who is ≠ Emmanuel Rivière who is > Joselu so therefore is = Kenny Rogers who is ≤ Dolly Parton.

Sorted.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stal on Tuesday 24 July 2018, 08:14:24 am
Always thought the doors were a bit meh. A bit like when vic reeves does his club singer bits.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Haz on Tuesday 24 July 2018, 12:24:13 pm
Jim Morrison - Good lyricist, tone-deaf singer.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Altamullan on Tuesday 24 July 2018, 12:54:40 pm
The Doors are > Salomon Rondon who is ≠ Emmanuel Rivière who is > Joselu so therefore is = Kenny Rogers who is ≤ Dolly Parton.

Sorted.
Sooooo... you want to sign Dolly Parton... because it rhymes with Warren Barton who also had a s*** song??
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gorilla on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 04:54:15 pm
The Doors are > Salomon Rondon who is ≠ Emmanuel Rivière who is > Joselu so therefore is = Kenny Rogers who is ≤ Dolly Parton.

Sorted.
Sooooo... you want to sign Dolly Parton... because it rhymes with Warren Barton who also had a s*** song??
Centre partin Warren Barton.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 09:34:23 pm
Dolly's got an impressive centre parting too.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 26 July 2018, 11:36:29 am
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Thursday 26 July 2018, 11:52:10 am
Would prefer to sell Mitro rather than Gayle as Rondon would be a direct replacement, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up selling both.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Thursday 26 July 2018, 11:55:02 am
Would prefer to sell Mitro rather than Gayle as Rondon would be a direct replacement, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up selling both.

Selling one, loaning the other.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sleazy on Thursday 26 July 2018, 11:58:08 am
had to do a double take when i saw Malmsteen being discussed on N-O
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Thursday 26 July 2018, 01:50:04 pm
Would prefer to sell Mitro rather than Gayle as Rondon would be a direct replacement, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up selling both.

Selling one, loaning the other.

If we sell Mitro, we'll buy Rondon probably. I think we might sell Gayle as well seeing as Muto has come in.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Thursday 26 July 2018, 01:56:28 pm
Would prefer to sell Mitro rather than Gayle as Rondon would be a direct replacement, but I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up selling both.

Selling one, loaning the other.

If we sell Mitro, we'll buy Rondon probably. I think we might sell Gayle as well seeing as Muto has come in.

I think we'll sell Gayle and loan Mitro abroad.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: 54 on Thursday 26 July 2018, 01:59:15 pm
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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toon25 on Thursday 26 July 2018, 02:34:50 pm
How far down the list of targets was this knacker?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 26 July 2018, 02:35:48 pm
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 :lol: tragic.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 26 July 2018, 02:37:53 pm
How far down the list of targets was this knacker?
Pléa was top of the list and this guy was mentioned whilst that farce was going on so probably 2nd or 3rd. My guess is the latter.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Thursday 26 July 2018, 02:40:33 pm
Bargain hunting all round for a change let’s just get a full team with Rafas 5+ list of targets- tragic not the word for it it’s a f***ing p*ss take
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 26 July 2018, 02:57:40 pm
Speaking to the WBA fan at work he reckons its us desperately pushing a loan deal for Rondon  :lol: We cant afford him out right.  Where has all the money gone?!?!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Thursday 26 July 2018, 02:59:36 pm
Rondon's shown he can get a decent amount in a good league. I have faith he'll improve our first team and, with a manager who should be able to set up our attack to suit his style, he'll get double figures for us
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Theregulars on Thursday 26 July 2018, 03:03:50 pm
Speaking to the WBA fan at work he reckons its us desperately pushing a loan deal for Rondon  :lol: We cant afford him out right.  Where has all the money gone?!?!

We can afford him outright; "we" just don't want to, because "we" would rather keep the money for "ourselves".
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Thursday 26 July 2018, 03:35:41 pm
Speaking to the WBA fan at work he reckons its us desperately pushing a loan deal for Rondon  :lol: We cant afford him out right.  Where has all the money gone?!?!

We haven't sold Mitro yet and we steadfastedly refuse to borrow against future earnings like any normal person/business/cloob.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kasper on Thursday 26 July 2018, 03:39:16 pm
Gotta save money for a potential relegation you know.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Thursday 26 July 2018, 04:12:19 pm
Speaking to the WBA fan at work he reckons its us desperately pushing a loan deal for Rondon  :lol: We cant afford him out right.  Where has all the money gone?!?!

Not that he’s wrong, but what does a fan know? We’re all just guessing.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 26 July 2018, 04:48:13 pm
Speaking to the WBA fan at work he reckons its us desperately pushing a loan deal for Rondon  :lol: We cant afford him out right.  Where has all the money gone?!?!

Not that he’s wrong, but what does a fan know? We’re all just guessing.

Well, like us he probably reads forums like this and has some slight insideer knowledge from a WBA pov.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Thursday 26 July 2018, 11:19:44 pm
Gotta save money for an potential inevitable relegation you know.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 27 July 2018, 12:15:15 am
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say George again motherfucker
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Friday 27 July 2018, 02:20:48 am
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say George again motherfucker

Aye thought that was a bit passive aggressive/condescending 🙂
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Astroblack on Friday 27 July 2018, 03:09:20 am
Thought it worked. George responded well.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:39:43 pm
SSN yellow ticker, in for this lad, not exactly a surprise obviously.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:41:10 pm
How thrilling
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:42:18 pm
urgh, so we still don't spend the Mitro money.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sixx on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:44:00 pm
Thrilling.
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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LFEE on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:44:59 pm
SSN yellow ticker, in for this lad, not exactly a surprise obviously.

Not saying it’s in reference to this deal but a well known agent was on the radio laughing at some of the coverage of transfers on the TV and in the papers saying one deal in particular has been dead for weeks yet is still getting regular coverage.

You ever read the first Secret Footballer book?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:47:45 pm
SSN yellow ticker, in for this lad, not exactly a surprise obviously.

Not saying it’s in reference to this deal but a well known agent was on the radio laughing at some of the coverage of transfers on the TV and in the papers saying one deal in particular has been dead for weeks yet is still getting regular coverage.

You ever read the first Secret Footballer book?


No i haven't, although I've read a lot of the articles in the paper. Oh and the fact everyone is pretty sure it's Dave Kitson.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:48:13 pm
Not arsed about this singing. Pure bargain basement
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:48:19 pm
Probably in the minority here, but I genuinely think getting both Muto & Rondon is very good for us, and I'm not sure we could have asked for or expected an awful lot more. Definite upgrades on what we have, and to bring in both giving us genuine options up top is huge. I know people expected a more attractive, big money move - but imo that s*** is largely academic and guarantees or really means nothing. I think in these two we have two very functional players, and when coupled with our very functional manager - I believe we have two bloody good signings.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:50:10 pm
I like Rondon, think he'll be far better than we think he's gonna be. I guess it's because he's not top of Rafa's list and how the club works, you just feel so detached from it all now.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:50:22 pm
Probably in the minority here, but I genuinely think getting both Muto & Rondon is very good for us, and I'm not sure we could have asked for or expected an awful lot more. Definite upgrades on what we have, and to bring in both giving us genuine options up top is huge. I know people expected a more attractive, big money move - but imo that s*** is largely academic and guarantees or really means nothing. I think in these two we have two very functional players, and when coupled with our very functional manager - I believe we have two bloody good signings.

Definitely could have and should have asked for more.

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but imo that s*** is largely academic and guarantees or really means nothing

Pretty much all prices correlate to the quality of the player. No transfer is guaranteed obviously, but this makes no sense at all. Better players cost more money. Not really debatable.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LFEE on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:50:48 pm
SSN yellow ticker, in for this lad, not exactly a surprise obviously.

Not saying it’s in reference to this deal but a well known agent was on the radio laughing at some of the coverage of transfers on the TV and in the papers saying one deal in particular has been dead for weeks yet is still getting regular coverage.

You ever read the first Secret Footballer book?


No i haven't, although I've read a lot of the articles in the paper. Oh and the fact everyone is pretty sure it's Dave Kitson.

Worth a read. One chapter in particular highlights how easy it is for something to get on the Sky yellow ticker. Basically you could ring up pretending to represent player X and spin them a tale :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:51:57 pm
IC, your post would probably be spot on if you put in somewhere, "under the constraints Ashley puts on the club".
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:52:27 pm
SSN yellow ticker, in for this lad, not exactly a surprise obviously.

Not saying it’s in reference to this deal but a well known agent was on the radio laughing at some of the coverage of transfers on the TV and in the papers saying one deal in particular has been dead for weeks yet is still getting regular coverage.

You ever read the first Secret Footballer book?


No i haven't, although I've read a lot of the articles in the paper. Oh and the fact everyone is pretty sure it's Dave Kitson.

Worth a read. One chapter in particular highlights how easy it is for something to get on the Sky yellow ticker. Basically you could ring up pretending to represent player X and spin them a tale :lol:

 :lol: Not surprsed at that at all, i think i will give that a read, be like the 5th book I've ever read if i do  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:52:44 pm
Will give him a chance. At least Rafa seems keen enough.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:52:45 pm
I wouldn’t mind Rondon as a back up, same for Muto. However they are going to be our first team players and they only appear to be marginally better than what we are replacing. Add on that we have hardly improved the team elsewhere and it’s even more dissapointing.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:54:13 pm
SSN yellow ticker, in for this lad, not exactly a surprise obviously.

Not saying it’s in reference to this deal but a well known agent was on the radio laughing at some of the coverage of transfers on the TV and in the papers saying one deal in particular has been dead for weeks yet is still getting regular coverage.

You ever read the first Secret Footballer book?


No i haven't, although I've read a lot of the articles in the paper. Oh and the fact everyone is pretty sure it's Dave Kitson.

Worth a read. One chapter in particular highlights how easy it is for something to get on the Sky yellow ticker. Basically you could ring up pretending to represent player X and spin them a tale :lol:

Announce a story via Sky sources
Show odds on Skybet
Deny the story via an actual source
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:54:15 pm
I reckon Rondon will be the focal point with Joselu as his back up, and Perez and Muto vying for the 10 role. Personally think Muto will get it with his movement and pace, after a month or so of the season starts.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Greg on Sunday 29 July 2018, 01:59:15 pm
Think he'll be a decent signing. Better than what we've got and far more suited to Rafa than Mitrovic.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:01:13 pm
IC, your post would probably be spot on if you put in somewhere, "under the constraints Ashley puts on the club".

Aye, I assume that, tbh. When I think and speak about the club I prefer to address what is rather than what could be. We all know the limitations we have, and also what we could potentially be without them. But there's only so much 'what ifs' you can utter before driving yourself a bit mad. I don't really see the point in getting down about our situation to the extent of being disappointed by any and every signing we make. As Kaka has said, these lads could turn out to be golden - and ultimately i'm excited by any player signing for NUFC - as a football fan you do dare to dream, it's what it's all about.

In our circumstances Rondon + Muto could excellent business, and on paper I already think it is. I for one didn't think we would be bringing in two new strikers and will be genuinely pleased if it ends up going through.

Pretty much all prices correlate to the quality of the player. No transfer is guaranteed obviously, but this makes no sense at all. Better players cost more money. Not really debatable.

I really don't believe that to be true, to be honest.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:03:36 pm
24 goals in 108 appearances for WBA. Colour me excited.

Tbf most of that was in a very defensive Pulis set up, maybe a bit more attacking and who knows, well i hope anyhoo.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:04:15 pm
Urgh our forward line. Got to be the poorest set of strikers in the league
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:07:18 pm
I think Rondon will do a job for us, especially when you look at the managers he's had at Brom. Rafa will get the best out of him. He's a grafter, with service he'll do well.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:10:06 pm
Shows you how far this club has fallen under Ashley. Used to be Shearer, Cole, Ferdinand.....

Rondon will do a job  :jesuswept:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:12:00 pm
Will be the third new nationality this summer. If nothing else its refreshing to bw no longer be signing from the same cartel of French agents.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:13:08 pm
IC, your post would probably be spot on if you put in somewhere, "under the constraints Ashley puts on the club".

Aye, I assume that, tbh. When I think and speak about the club I prefer to address what is rather than what could be. We all know the limitations we have, and also what we could potentially be without them. But there's only so much 'what ifs' you can utter before driving yourself a bit mad. I don't really see the point in getting down about our situation to the extent of being disappointed by any and every signing we make. As Kaka has said, these lads could turn out to be golden - and ultimately i'm excited by any player signing for NUFC - as a football fan you do dare to dream, it's what it's all about.

In our circumstances Rondon + Muto could excellent business, and on paper I already think it is. I for one didn't think we would be bringing in two new strikers and will be genuinely pleased if it ends up going through.

Pretty much all prices correlate to the quality of the player. No transfer is guaranteed obviously, but this makes no sense at all. Better players cost more money. Not really debatable.

I really don't believe that to be true, to be honest.

Well I mean, it's pretty clear cut no? Rafa literally said it himself:

Quote
An average striker is £15m, £20m, or £25m. If he kicks the ball forward it's £15m, if he scores it's £25m. We didn't do that and that's it.

You largely get what you pay for, of course there are outliers, like in any market, you'll get bargains. But Harry Kane is worth 100m because he's great. Joselu costs f*** all, because he's s***.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:14:11 pm
Probably be okay, but I've never been particularly impressed by him at West Brom. Certainly don't recall ever wishing he was our player.

Not his fault of course but this is so f***ing underwhelming.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: George Bailey on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:14:35 pm
As positive as I am feeling re the Muto signing, I just don't fancy this lad at all. Never been impressed with him and think he will be utter keek.

Hope I am way off the mark.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:17:21 pm
He's a better player than Jorgensen who we nearly spunked 20 million beans on #positivethinking
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:18:44 pm
So this is what unbridled joy feels like.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:21:40 pm
Shows you how far this club has fallen under Ashley. Used to be Shearer, Cole, Ferdinand.....

Rondon will do a job  :jesuswept:
It's where we are at till we get rid of Ashley. Pointless browsing at Waitrose when we're on a Farmfoods budget [emoji38]

Till the fat c*** has been banished this is us.
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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:22:05 pm
Will be the third new nationality this summer. If nothing else its refreshing to bw no longer be signing from the same cartel of French agents.

You really know how to look for the silver lining :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Greg on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:22:10 pm
Still talk of Gayle going the other way.

Where's the f***ing money going Mike?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:22:38 pm
He's a better player than Jorgensen who we nearly spunked 20 million beans on #positivethinking

I suppose 'never been tried in the Premier League' would be more exciting than 'theoretically better player with distinctly average goalscoring record in the Premier League'. :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:22:45 pm
Still talk of Gayle going the other way.

Where's the f***ing money going Mike?

Loan?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:26:22 pm
He's a better player than Jorgensen who we nearly spunked 20 million beans on #positivethinking

I suppose 'never been tried in the Premier League' would be more exciting than 'theoretically better player with distinctly average goalscoring record in the Premier League'. :lol:

I bet with free reign Rafa would buy players from all over, under the restrictions he has, he looks realistically and prem experience is something he knows at the prices we pay is important. Ultimately it's just so so frustrating it's untrue.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:26:59 pm
I reckon Rondon will be the focal point with Joselu as his back up, and Perez and Muto vying for the 10 role. Personally think Muto will get it with his movement and pace, after a month or so of the season starts.
Please god no.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:27:09 pm
Probably in the minority here, but I genuinely think getting both Muto & Rondon is very good for us, and I'm not sure we could have asked for or expected an awful lot more. Definite upgrades on what we have, and to bring in both giving us genuine options up top is huge. I know people expected a more attractive, big money move - but imo that s*** is largely academic and guarantees or really means nothing. I think in these two we have two very functional players, and when coupled with our very functional manager - I believe we have two bloody good signings.

That's all well and good, but are we getting them because they are actually good enough, or because they are within our piddling budget? I want to believe, but I watched the youtube videos of Rondon and he didn't look like a finisher. The problems we had with Mitrovic and Perez was they didn't contribute enough goals, and ultimately that is what Rondon will be judged on.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:27:53 pm
I reckon Rondon will be the focal point with Joselu as his back up, and Perez and Muto vying for the 10 role. Personally think Muto will get it with his movement and pace, after a month or so of the season starts.
Please god no.

Can you see it being anything else, if we let Gayle go like. I just see no other choices  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:30:20 pm
Maybe we'll sign Josh King too. Rafa likes him afaik.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:30:24 pm
Since when was Muto a number 10 like  :lol: Read that quite a few times over the last few days on here, I've looked about and can't seem to find a single time he's been deployed in that role. I'm pretty sure Muto will play up top.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:31:16 pm
Rondon's goalscoring record over his last three PL seasons is only marginally better than that of Perez. :undecided:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:32:02 pm
I reckon Rondon will be the focal point with Joselu as his back up, and Perez and Muto vying for the 10 role. Personally think Muto will get it with his movement and pace, after a month or so of the season starts.
Please god no.

Can you see it being anything else, if we let Gayle go like. I just see no other choices  :dontknow:
I have no real clue how Muto plays tbh. Given the near f*** all I know about him I'm naively hoping Benitez sees him as a number 9 with the idea being him and Rondon fighting for that spot.

I cannot go through another season with Joselu anywhere near the teamsheet.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:33:49 pm
Since when was Muto a number 10 like  :lol: Read that quite a few times over the last few days on here, I've looked about and can't seem to find a single time he's been deployed in that role. I'm pretty sure Muto will play up top.

I'm just assuming he might be used in that role, don't really suppose any of us really know, maybe Rafa has seen something about that might facilitate it.

Just about the only interesting thing going on right now with us  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:34:40 pm
I reckon Rondon will be the focal point with Joselu as his back up, and Perez and Muto vying for the 10 role. Personally think Muto will get it with his movement and pace, after a month or so of the season starts.
Please god no.

Can you see it being anything else, if we let Gayle go like. I just see no other choices  :dontknow:
I have no real clue how Muto plays tbh. Given the near f*** all I know about him I'm naively hoping Benitez sees him as a number 9 with the idea being him and Rondon fighting for that spot.

I cannot go through another season with Joselu anywhere near the teamsheet.

That makes two if us  O0
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:40:21 pm
Rondon's goalscoring record over his last three PL seasons is only marginally better than that of Perez. :undecided:

On the plus side he broke some c***s leg and is from a country with a strong homicide culture.
 
On the negative side he cried like a soft little foreign girl who would get bullied by a 3 year old just like the evil Perez who we hate more than life itself.

Verdict: Shoot him if he doesn’t score on debut.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:43:41 pm
Maybe we'll sign Josh King too. Rafa likes him afaik.
Hopefully. I like him.

When WBA signed Rondon from Zenit, I thought it was a good signing then tbf. Since then he's been managed by Pulis and Pardew only, really. (Not really counting that little run under Moore). When the link surfaced it was around the same time of the news of the Pléa bid, and I really didn't want him. Given the ownership of the club are we really going to get better? I'd love it if we did but I can't see it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:45:38 pm
Will be the third new nationality this summer. If nothing else its refreshing to bw no longer be signing from the same cartel of French agents.

An Algerian, Brazilian, Slovakian, Swiss, South Korean, Japanese and a Venezuelan just this year
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:48:38 pm
IC, your post would probably be spot on if you put in somewhere, "under the constraints Ashley puts on the club".

Aye, I assume that, tbh. When I think and speak about the club I prefer to address what is rather than what could be. We all know the limitations we have, and also what we could potentially be without them. But there's only so much 'what ifs' you can utter before driving yourself a bit mad. I don't really see the point in getting down about our situation to the extent of being disappointed by any and every signing we make. As Kaka has said, these lads could turn out to be golden - and ultimately i'm excited by any player signing for NUFC - as a football fan you do dare to dream, it's what it's all about.

In our circumstances Rondon + Muto could excellent business, and on paper I already think it is. I for one didn't think we would be bringing in two new strikers and will be genuinely pleased if it ends up going through.

Pretty much all prices correlate to the quality of the player. No transfer is guaranteed obviously, but this makes no sense at all. Better players cost more money. Not really debatable.

I really don't believe that to be true, to be honest.

Well I mean, it's pretty clear cut no? Rafa literally said it himself:

Quote
An average striker is £15m, £20m, or £25m. If he kicks the ball forward it's £15m, if he scores it's £25m. We didn't do that and that's it.

You largely get what you pay for, of course there are outliers, like in any market, you'll get bargains. But Harry Kane is worth 100m because he's great. Joselu costs f*** all, because he's s***.

Fair enough man, I just don't see it so clear cut. Sure, if you keep spending loads on players, you're likely to end up with some good ones. But for me, fees are not straight reflections on the quality of a player, or the likelihood of them succeeding in the new team. I can't help but think of examples such as Davy Klaassen. Cost what? £30m, whereas we bought Perez for £1m? Perez for whatever reason was the far better signing in that position, in this league. Benteke, £30m? and to use your example Joselu £5m. Joselu outscored Benteke last season.

Fees for players seem to be impacted by a lot more than just the player's ability, IE. how much they're worth to the team they're leaving, how much the buying team needs someone, the league they're coming from/play in etc. I see too many examples of teams spending s*** loads on players then trying to shift them on 6 months or 1 year to believe it's as simple as spending loads = quality players more likely to succeed.

Schar might prove to be a decent example too, he cost £3m as his agent will have cleverly inserted a release clause into his contract which Deportivo likely accepted thinking they wouldn't be going down last season. They of course did and he became available for £3m, does that mean he's worth that amount? Probably not. If we spent £15m on a defender would be definitely have gotten a better player? Maybe not.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Seymour on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:49:12 pm
I don't really rate him tbh, how much would someone like Josh King or Callum Wilson cost?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:49:18 pm
Since when was Muto a number 10 like  :lol: Read that quite a few times over the last few days on here, I've looked about and can't seem to find a single time he's been deployed in that role. I'm pretty sure Muto will play up top.

I'm just assuming he might be used in that role, don't really suppose any of us really know, maybe Rafa has seen something about that might facilitate it.

Just about the only interesting thing going on right now with us  :lol:

 :lol: True
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:51:11 pm
I don't really rate him tbh, how much would someone like Josh King or Callum Wilson cost?
Wilson signed a four year deal 2 weeks ago. King would be in excess of £20m I assume.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:51:32 pm
Maybe we'll sign Josh King too. Rafa likes him afaik.
Hopefully. I like him.

When WBA signed Rondon from Zenit, I thought it was a good signing then tbf. Since then he's been managed by Pulis and Pardew only, really. (Not really counting that little run under Moore). When the link surfaced it was around the same time of the news of the Pléa bid, and I really didn't want him. Given the ownership of the club are we really going to get better? I'd love it if we did but I can't see it.

Same here. I was really surprised and a bit envious actually as I had been hearing about him for a year or so and thought he would end up somewhere better than them.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 02:52:17 pm
A lot depends on how badly does Rafa really want him? Seems at least part of the reason we are in for him is we can use Gayle as a makeweight. But if Rafa rates Rondon then I am happy to back his judgement. I get the feeling it's more like "well he's more use to me than Mitrovic".
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Elliottman on Sunday 29 July 2018, 03:51:59 pm
Most of the West Brom fans on twitter seem to think highly of him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 03:58:42 pm
Since when was Muto a number 10 like  [emoji38] Read that quite a few times over the last few days on here, I've looked about and can't seem to find a single time he's been deployed in that role. I'm pretty sure Muto will play up top.
I think it comes from the Japanese players being pretty versatile, technically strong and hard working. Perez isn't a number 10 that pulls the strings he's a number 10 that gets on the end of stuff while working hard and pressing their back line. All attributes Muto can probably bring to the table as well.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: hoppaz on Sunday 29 July 2018, 04:43:59 pm
An interesting read...

https://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want (https://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want)

There are older scouting reports but this covers some time after playing in the EPL.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stottie on Sunday 29 July 2018, 04:52:36 pm
Thanks Hadyn, I forgot Rondon had been Pardewed. He gets a clean slate from me then.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 05:12:01 pm
An interesting read...

https://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want (https://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want)

There are older scouting reports but this covers some time after playing in the EPL.

That does read well, you can see why he would be a good fit in Rafa's team, even if his goal record is debatable.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kaizero on Sunday 29 July 2018, 05:27:12 pm
I don't really rate him tbh, how much would someone like Josh King or Callum Wilson cost?
Wilson signed a four year deal 2 weeks ago. King would be in excess of £20m I assume.

They wanted around £30m. Then we went "Hold on a minute, what about £20m though?", at which point King made a fuzz in the media because he wanted to leave, making him fall out with Howe. Bournemouth goes back to us and says "Sure, we can do something around £20m", to which we go "Hold on a minute, what about, you know, less than that? Even if we originally said we'd do a deal at that price. You know, because we totally actually want to do a deal. For truthsies."

Don't think anything has happened since.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: hoppaz on Sunday 29 July 2018, 05:29:43 pm
An interesting read...

https://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want (https://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want)

There are older scouting reports but this covers some time after playing in the EPL.

That does read well, you can see why he would be a good fit in Rafa's team, even if his goal record is debatable.

Exactly, for me it's the system Rafa builds first, then players are secondary to that but they must have the right traits.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 29 July 2018, 05:32:04 pm
f*** off, Rondon.

This club is a farce.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: triggs on Sunday 29 July 2018, 06:18:31 pm
Think it'll turn out to be a good signing
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shadow Puppets on Sunday 29 July 2018, 06:53:06 pm
Not quite understanding the negativity around him like. Every time I’ve seen him play he’s been alright. Doesn’t help when your managers are Pulis and Pardew.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Seymour on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:04:16 pm
Quite reluctant to let Gayle go for Rondon, feels a bit weird tbh. Like West Brom are getting the better deal
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:17:07 pm
Quite reluctant to let Gayle go for Rondon, feels a bit weird tbh. Like West Brom are getting the better deal

Where were you last season?

Rondon's a much better player.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:23:04 pm
Probably in the minority here, but I genuinely think getting both Muto & Rondon is very good for us, and I'm not sure we could have asked for or expected an awful lot more. Definite upgrades on what we have, and to bring in both giving us genuine options up top is huge. I know people expected a more attractive, big money move - but imo that s*** is largely academic and guarantees or really means nothing. I think in these two we have two very functional players, and when coupled with our very functional manager - I believe we have two bloody good signings.

Agree. :thup: I  think they'll complement each other well. Rafa is not insecure about having the whole team chipping in with the required amount of goals, as opposed to 2-3 main players doing the majority of it. He knows his emphasis on team cohesion is the number one way to win matches - and he's proven many times that it works.

I think by having better players and coaches around him, Rondon will probably produce an extra 10-15% as well. He's not the most gifted, yes, but he was also handicapped by the team/manager he played for.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:23:43 pm
Rondon scored more than Gayle in a team with Tony Pulis and Alan Pardew in charge, that got relegated pitifully while Gayle spunked chance after chance in a team which actually gave him a lot of chances.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:26:05 pm
Not quite understanding the negativity around him like. Every time I’ve seen him play he’s been alright. Doesn’t help when your managers are Pulis and Pardew.

How do you feel about the fact he's only just better in terms of goals scored per game than Ayoze Perez?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:46:20 pm
Not quite understanding the negativity around him like. Every time I’ve seen him play he’s been alright. Doesn’t help when your managers are Pulis and Pardew.

How do you feel about the fact he's only just better in terms of goals scored per game than Ayoze Perez?

Exactly there is a reason why Rafa has no intention of signing a new contract and will be away like a shot next summer because we are signing every time players who are nowhere near his top targets. Rondon is not a very good player and certainly nowhere near the type of player Rafa wants to ensure the progression of this club.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shadow Puppets on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:49:43 pm
Not quite understanding the negativity around him like. Every time I’ve seen him play he’s been alright. Doesn’t help when your managers are Pulis and Pardew.

How do you feel about the fact he's only just better in terms of goals scored per game than Ayoze Perez?

I feel like he’s been playing in a really poor team, but whenever I’ve watched them he looks a handful. People are going on like we’re signing Joselu mk2...he’s better than that. Dare I say he’s better than Mitro too.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: midds on Sunday 29 July 2018, 07:51:55 pm
I quite like the idea of him being the focal point of the team. He may not bang in 15+ but if he does his job then he'll help us function better as a team. Kennedy signing should means he gets decent service from both wings, he can protect the ball bring others into play and move us up the park.

More and more it's looking like Mitrovic leaving pays for most of Rondon and Muto. Given the fact Mitrovic made zero contribution last season I'm loathe to find fault with bringing them in tbh
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:00:54 pm
I don't really rate him tbh, how much would someone like Josh King or Callum Wilson cost?
Wilson signed a four year deal 2 weeks ago. King would be in excess of £20m I assume.

They wanted around £30m. Then we went "Hold on a minute, what about £20m though?", at which point King made a fuzz in the media because he wanted to leave, making him fall out with Howe. Bournemouth goes back to us and says "Sure, we can do something around £20m", to which we go "Hold on a minute, what about, you know, less than that? Even if we originally said we'd do a deal at that price. You know, because we totally actually want to do a deal. For truthsies."

Don't think anything has happened since.
I can't remember this? When was this?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:04:37 pm
I quite like the idea of him being the focal point of the team. He may not bang in 15+ but if he does his job then he'll help us function better as a team. Kennedy signing should means he gets decent service from both wings, he can protect the ball bring others into play and move us up the park.

More and more it's looking like Mitrovic leaving pays for most of Rondon and Muto. Given the fact Mitrovic made zero contribution last season I'm loathe to find fault with bringing them in tbh
Aye. FWIW, in Rafa's time at Liverpool, a player got above 15 goals in the league in 3 of his 6 seasons.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:05:09 pm
Not quite understanding the negativity around him like. Every time I’ve seen him play he’s been alright. Doesn’t help when your managers are Pulis and Pardew.

How do you feel about the fact he's only just better in terms of goals scored per game than Ayoze Perez?

I feel like he’s been playing in a really poor team, but whenever I’ve watched them he looks a handful. People are going on like we’re signing Joselu mk2...he’s better than that. Dare I say he’s better than Mitro too.

That’s just it, I don’t think he is better than mitro
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Interpolic on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:08:02 pm
There's only one way to find out!
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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tsunami on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:10:51 pm
I was quite impressed with Rondon against us; much quicker than I expected. IMO he has far more to his game than Mitro, people like Mitro because he’s a bit of a nutter shouldn’t confuse that with ability, mobility wise Rondon looks a far better proposition.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shadow Puppets on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:17:04 pm
Mitro is A) a liability, and B) a really poor striker. Struggling to see how Rondon wouldn’t be an improvement to be honest.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: astraguy on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:20:23 pm
Gutted Mitrović has gone way better then rondon for his age but its the only way rafa could possibly get money to spend
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:49:52 pm
So you think Rafa is wrong? Why are you still here.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:50:42 pm
So you think Rafa is wrong? Why are you still here.

Waiting the year out.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:51:53 pm
Gutted Mitrović has gone way better then rondon for his age but its the only way rafa could possibly get money to spend

It wasn't just about getting money to spend pal.

Rafa did not rate him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:54:59 pm
So you think Rafa is wrong? Why are you still here.

God forbid anyone disagree

Ultimately if Rafa had my sort of money to spend Rondon wouldn’t be anywhere near this club
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Sunday 29 July 2018, 08:55:27 pm
uh-oh
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Hhtoon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:07:06 pm
Not quite understanding the negativity around him like. Every time I’ve seen him play he’s been alright. Doesn’t help when your managers are Pulis and Pardew.

How do you feel about the fact he's only just better in terms of goals scored per game than Ayoze Perez?

I feel like he’s been playing in a really poor team, but whenever I’ve watched them he looks a handful. People are going on like we’re signing Joselu mk2...he’s better than that. Dare I say he’s better than Mitro too.

That’s just it, I don’t think he is better than mitro

So you think Rafa is wrong? Why are you still here.

God forbid anyone disagree

Ultimately if Rafa had my sort of money to spend Rondon wouldn’t be anywhere near this club

Rondon will score more than Mitrovich would have this season, on the basis that he'll actually be on the pitch.

Though FWIW, if Rafa had packed it in I would have been happy for the new manager to give Mitrovich a season with a formation to suit him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:15:37 pm
So you think Rafa is wrong? Why are you still here.

God forbid anyone disagree

Ultimately if Rafa had my sort of money to spend Rondon wouldn’t be anywhere near this club

What is your sort of money?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:21:39 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rich on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:23:27 pm
I’ve seen it all now.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:24:21 pm
So you think Rafa is wrong? Why are you still here.

God forbid anyone disagree

Ultimately if Rafa had my sort of money to spend Rondon wouldn’t be anywhere near this club

What is your sort of money?

If Rafa had 30m to spend on a striker Rondon wouldnt even be an afterthought
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:29:55 pm
So you think Rafa is wrong? Why are you still here.

God forbid anyone disagree

Ultimately if Rafa had my sort of money to spend Rondon wouldn’t be anywhere near this club

What is your sort of money?

Typo. Meant to be any sort of money but I’m sure you knew that
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Scoot on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:33:31 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:38:33 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.

Putting Shearer and that Donkey Mitrovic in the same sentence is just silly. Mitrovic wasn't even as good as Andreas Andersson FFS
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:41:05 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.
I'm genuinely lost for words.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:43:35 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.

Putting Shearer and that Donkey Mitrovic in the same sentence is just silly. Mitrovic wasn't even as good as Andreas Andersson FFS
Pamela Andersson was far worse. Mitro gets extra points not for wearing an Alice band.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:44:11 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.
I'm genuinely lost for words.

:lol:

We're getting old, mate.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:47:54 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.
I'm genuinely lost for words.

:lol:

We're getting old, mate.

Odin's 38 though :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:49:11 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.
I'm genuinely lost for words.

:lol:

We're getting old, mate.

Odin's 38 though :lol:

In dog years.

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Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Greg on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:49:23 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Menace on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:52:06 pm
Cheers mate, didn't know what a dog looked like
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sima on Sunday 29 July 2018, 09:55:11 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:00:14 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:02:53 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.

Putting Shearer and that Donkey Mitrovic in the same sentence is just silly. Mitrovic wasn't even as good as Andreas Andersson FFS
Pamela Andersson was far worse. Mitro gets extra points not for wearing an Alice band.

Andreas Andersson gets extra points for scoring the goal that put us in an FA Cup final
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:09:21 pm
This is all so funny, because everyone is going to absolutely love Rondon.

He is an absolute BEAST of a striker. Haven't had someone like that upfront in forever. Very very aggressive and intimidating presence. Will make us so much more effective upfront.

Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:12:04 pm
Your sig is still visible btw. :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:17:29 pm
:lol:

Oh, pay no mind to that man  ;D
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:27:26 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.

Putting Shearer and that Donkey Mitrovic in the same sentence is just silly. Mitrovic wasn't even as good as Andreas Andersson FFS
Pamela Andersson was far worse. Mitro gets extra points not for wearing an Alice band.

Andreas Andersson gets extra points for scoring the goal that put us in an FA Cup final

He scored approximately zero goals for us in the cup.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:44:35 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.

Putting Shearer and that Donkey Mitrovic in the same sentence is just silly. Mitrovic wasn't even as good as Andreas Andersson FFS
Pamela Andersson was far worse. Mitro gets extra points not for wearing an Alice band.

Andreas Andersson gets extra points for scoring the goal that put us in an FA Cup final

He scored approximately zero goals for us in the cup.

Apologies it was Shearer that scored that goal i for some reason thought Andersson scored it must have been the drunken haze i watched it through and can remember Andersson wheeling away after we scored
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:45:05 pm
Our final loan? This bloke has got all our signings right so far:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6005007/Newcastle-set-finalise-loan-deal-West-Brom-striker-Salomon-Rondon.html
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:45:43 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.

Putting Shearer and that Donkey Mitrovic in the same sentence is just silly. Mitrovic wasn't even as good as Andreas Andersson FFS

I’m not comparing Mitrovic to Shearer. He’s far from a donkey though, you’re dead wrong about that.

But as he’s proven for a short time with Fulham and every club he’s been with apart from Newcastle, that he can score goals if a team plays to his strengths.

Currently we have no players who can do that. So instead of buying dross to replace him, why not try and get the best from him?

He’s as good as gone now so it will always be a hypothetical.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:48:30 pm
Our final loan? This bloke has got all our signings right so far:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6005007/Newcastle-set-finalise-loan-deal-West-Brom-striker-Salomon-Rondon.html

£22m in and we loan someone with the money  :lol: Never.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 29 July 2018, 10:55:04 pm
To be fair, I'd rather loan Rondon than spaff 16.5m on him at the age he is.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: huss9 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:01:17 pm
think rafa may be diverting his meager funds to defensive reinforcments hence the loan.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Seymour on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:04:14 pm
I think it would be a good deal if we didn't lose Gayle
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:05:07 pm
loan? hahaha pitiful
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:05:24 pm
think rafa may be diverting his meager funds to defensive reinforcments hence the loan.

Well i'd like to assume that too, but by now don't we all know that'll be a sensible plan that would pass our moronic idiot owner by.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Scotty66 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:08:22 pm
Loan with option to buy is one of the best options you can get for a player imo.

Imagine if we had spent £20M on Slimani.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:11:02 pm
Isn’t he out of contract at the end of the season? Putting the bulk of costs in next years accounts more like. f*** knows why.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:12:27 pm
All part of the masterplan to save the pennies for the 35m loftus cheek bid.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:14:40 pm
getting players on loan from a team in a division below us WTF man. No one does this s*** you couldn't make it up
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:16:20 pm
getting players on loan from a team in a division below us WTF man. No one does this s*** you couldn't make it up

Loic Remy, that was alright when we did it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Greg on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:17:11 pm
getting players on loan from a team in a division below us WTF man. No one does this s*** you couldn't make it up

Last time we did it he was quite good, 14 league goals. Shame we couldn't agree a permanent deal.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:25:43 pm
I actually like the loan deal. Provided it's option to buy. Lots of critics of him here already. If he isn't up to it or we can buy better no problems letting him go at the end of the year.

However it's so f***ing laughable the amount of money we have spent vs profit made. Yet we still won't pay 6m for Bryan.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:26:01 pm
As long as we get an option to buy I guess. If Rafa leaves at the end of the season all bets are off anyway.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: greydos on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:26:33 pm
I’ve never seen so many misses in a highlights video. Shocking: NO
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:30:49 pm
getting players on loan from a team in a division below us WTF man. No one does this s*** you couldn't make it up

Loic Remy, that was alright when we did it.

The dynamics of transfers for premier league clubs have changed dramatically since we had him.....well for 19 of them it has
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:31:21 pm
I’ve never seen so many misses in a highlights video. Shocking: NO

It's one of the worst striker videos I've seen like, but I guess he must look a lot better in general play.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sbnufc on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:31:54 pm
Rondon will be good for us.  People shitting on him way too much
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:36:27 pm
getting players on loan from a team in a division below us WTF man. No one does this s*** you couldn't make it up

Loic Remy, that was alright when we did it.

The dynamics of transfers for premier league clubs have changed dramatically since we had him.....well for 19 of them it has

That is true.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:40:58 pm
This is all so funny, because everyone is going to absolutely love Rondon.

He is an absolute BEAST of a striker. Haven't had someone like that upfront in forever. Very very aggressive and intimidating presence. Will make us so much more effective upfront.

Looking forward to it.
Demba not count like?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ashley17 on Sunday 29 July 2018, 11:45:50 pm
Rondycakes was the man in 2011

Rondon would be pretty perfect from what I've seen. He has a little bit of everything.

This is what I want:

Barton   Tiote   N'Zogbia   Jonas

                Ben Arfa
                   Best


Change Best with Rondon or Gameiro and we're flying.

Awww man, I'm really getting my hopes up now. Its an extra reason to hope Wigan go down, and Sewelly's idea of chucking in Routledge is good. The idea of adding N'Zogbia and Rondon to our weaponry is drool-worthy. And given the choice between us and Sunderland, he'd pick us, just like 80% of players would.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:35:19 am
If we can loan him he's free next year if he's actually been good. It's a no brainer if they actually agree to it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ketsbaia on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:59:52 am
Torn because our net spend is embarrassing but, as someone who doesn't want the guy, at least money isn't being wasted on him.

This club is a joke, though :(
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:30:49 am
If we can loan him he's free next year if he's actually been good. It's a no brainer if they actually agree to it.
I'd be very surprised if they agree to that, I think it will be a loan with agreement to buy next year.



Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 30 July 2018, 03:18:01 am
He’s scored 15  pl goals in 60+ matches. 

Underwhelming.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: afar on Monday 30 July 2018, 03:53:04 am
Coming back for one post:

I hate this signing. I actually agree with Ashley (if it's true) in putting the blocks on signing him for 16 million because he's 28 and out of contract next year. Was he even getting in the Brom team that went on a run towards the end of the season ? If so was he scoring the goals, that gave the a slim chance of staying up at the end ? We are esentially replacing a 23 year old with room to grow for a 28 year old that looked average at best in his time in England, just been relegated and no one else is even close to sniffing around for. I really don't understand the logic, especially when Abraham is out there (apparently) for 15 million. You can't knock Rafa's judgement but he does make the odd mistake now and again, Joselu, Lazaar, Sels, Hanley, Manquillo and perhaps Murphy are recent examples, he doesn't always uncover gems when he's shopping for bargains.

I Just think Abraham is by far the better choice here, watched a lot of him during the u21 Toulon win, he stood out a mile as being a class above, big, strong powerful and quick. He was the very definition of "a man among boys". The only way this one makes sense to me is if we bring Rondon and Abraham in for Mitro and Gayle, but it looks like it's Muto and Rondon for Gayle and Mitro and that's your lot.  Maybe in their minds we have to shift Joselu too before we bring anyone else in.

We are leaving ourselves in a very precarious situation too, especially if we sell Armstrong and Toney, like has been suggested we are trying. Where is our future up front ? Loaning a 28 year old, I don't know a lot about Muto but doesn't look like the type of 20 goal a season player we need to somehow find. And Joselu is still leading our line right now.

The only logic I can see in Rondon over Abraham is the Rafa is thinking short term, feels Abraham needs more time and he won't be here of course to see the best of him, feels Rondon can contribute right away but based on the player that turned out for WBA I'm doubting that.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Monday 30 July 2018, 03:56:49 am
Hanley did a job, like.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:44:26 am
Yeah but ultimately they f***ed it getting the ring so has to be considered a failure.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: nufcjb on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:07:30 am
if its a loan and we have to use the Mitro money for defensive cover, then i'm ok with it. hate the fact that this is the guy who will break our transfer record. so if its a loan, and he turns out s***, he can f*** off at d end of d season.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Matt on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:55:19 am
If he's out of contract in 2019, how would a loan with an option to buy work in any case? He'd be free to talk to clubs abroad from January.

And if he's walking away for free next summer it won't be anything like £16m, surely? We must be the only bidders around if they are willing to loan and not maximise the fee now.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Monday 30 July 2018, 08:09:42 am
The talk was they were going to extend his contract by a year to protect their asset.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: SUPERTOON on Monday 30 July 2018, 08:45:25 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/scoobsfor/status/1023824099708166145
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Cronky on Monday 30 July 2018, 08:56:40 am
Kenedy - Rondon - Muto is a decent counter-attacking line-up, which of course is how Rafa likes to play. Murphy and Ayoze give other options.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:13:55 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto

Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:19:03 am
What?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: John P on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:26:43 am
Rondon right wing? Are you off your tits?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:27:56 am
You're a lunatic  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: triggs on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:28:17 am
Rondycakes was the man in 2011

Rondon would be pretty perfect from what I've seen. He has a little bit of everything.

This is what I want:

Barton   Tiote   N'Zogbia   Jonas

                Ben Arfa
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Change Best with Rondon or Gameiro and we're flying.

Awww man, I'm really getting my hopes up now. Its an extra reason to hope Wigan go down, and Sewelly's idea of chucking in Routledge is good. The idea of adding N'Zogbia and Rondon to our weaponry is drool-worthy. And given the choice between us and Sunderland, he'd pick us, just like 80% of players would.
Rondon scored 14 goals in La Liga when he was roughly the age that Mitro was when he got 9 for us in the PL. Doesn't really mean anything, just found it interesting
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:32:40 am
So he’s not improved then
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rich on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:37:04 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto

Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.

Seek help :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:42:48 am
Wonder if he could do a job for us at DM.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:43:01 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto

Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.

I'm scärred.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ads on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:45:27 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto

Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.

You OK, fella?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: themanupstairs on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:50:41 am
What in the actual f***? :lol: Has to be trolling surely?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Cookie1892 on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:50:48 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto


Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.

Have you got aids of the head?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:51:45 am
Nope, when they played us he was running the channel and did it quite effectively.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:54:24 am
Would put in Longstaff for Diame. He's more than ready.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:56:45 am
Nope, when they played us he was running the channel and did it quite effectively.

Yeah as the central striker ffs
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Nobody on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:56:53 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto

Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.

Seek help :lol:
Aye, that's disgusting. Lascelles should be RCB ffs.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Monday 30 July 2018, 09:58:50 am
It's a bit Scäry, like.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: STM on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:05:33 am
Poor lad, we have been linked to Rondon for weeks and he's never once gone, "should we not be looking at a striker".
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Odear on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:07:14 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto

Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.

Seek help :lol:
Aye, that's disgusting. Lascelles should be RCB ffs.

He played there when Clark played alongside him, then Lejeune took over there.

Schär will be the one playing it out from the back though so it would make more sense to have it on his natural side. Lascelles is fine playing on the left CB role. Schär may not be.

Be surprised if we get anyone else in so that’ll be our back line, it will definitely have to be tweaked to get the most from it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Crumpy Gunt on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:13:27 am
I really do hope this is a loan deal.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:17:02 am
Confirmation that it's a good signing after all.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:24:48 am
These loan deals look like giving Rafa what he 'wants' for the final season of his contract without any financial commitment.  :sad:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:25:56 am
:lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rich on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:28:29 am
I think Rondon will be an upgrade on Murphy, but I doubt he’ll get much game time anyway so he’s got to replace someone who will.

What’s going to be the strongest 11 of either available players or players likely to join?

Dubravka,
Yedlin Scär Lascelles Dummett
Diame Shelvey
Rondon Ayoze Kenedy
Muto

Could see Kenedy, Muto and Rondon switching places throughout games.

The back line is still too weak no matter how well organised it is.

Ritchie could easily come in and replace Rondon or Muto, freeing the other to push up top.

Seek help :lol:
Aye, that's disgusting. Lascelles should be RCB ffs.

He played there when Clark played alongside him, then Lejeune took over there.

Schär will be the one playing it out from the back though so it would make more sense to have it on his natural side. Lascelles is fine playing on the left CB role. Schär may not be.

Be surprised if we get anyone else in so that’ll be our back line, it will definitely have to be tweaked to get the most from it.

This didn't happen.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:29:36 am
If it's a loan then it's another situation where our pathetic approach to transfers has lucked out in terms of what I'd want. Obviously I'd much prefer us to buy a non-Rondon striker, but if Rafa wants Rondon then I'd much prefer the loan option.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Seymour on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:34:54 am
It's not a loan, permanent deal for both it seems.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:37:40 am
Aye suck that, KI
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:38:27 am
Feel like this one will drag to the end of the window and we'll not have any time to secure another striker which we will need.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Pip on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:39:27 am
Swapping a 27 year old that Rafa doesn't like for a 28 year old that he likes, and throw in only 3m. Sounds good to me.

We need a CB and we hopefully get to spend the rest of the Mitrovic money on a striker or attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:41:47 am
If it's a loan then it's another situation where our pathetic approach to transfers has lucked out in terms of what I'd want. Obviously I'd much prefer us to buy a non-Rondon striker, but if Rafa wants Rondon then I'd much prefer the loan option.

Think Rafa would certainly prefer a non Rondon signing also in fact I’m certain he would but as you say our pathetic transfer policy comes to fruition again only this time it’s a step too far and will see the manager away like a shot come the end of his contract. Totally shambolic the way this club is run under an absolute c*** of an owner. Cheap options again and totally ignoring the fact that the manager wants to try and progress.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: loki679 on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:43:31 am
Rondon's obviously not Rafa's first choice but at this point I think we're just getting who we realistically can. He's not a world beater but it's better than starting the season with Joselu and Gayle as our options.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:45:22 am
Couple years time Rondon will be one of big earners we’ll struggle to get off the books
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:47:35 am
Couple years time Rondon will be one of big earners we’ll struggle to get off the books
Bit of a lazy stereotype but he's got the profile of someone who would be open to a big pay day move to China in a few years
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Chris_R on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:48:40 am
Couple years time Rondon will be one of big earners we’ll struggle to get off the books

Couple of years time his contact will be just about up. Can't see us Cattermoling him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:49:08 am
Couple years time Rondon will be one of big earners we’ll struggle to get off the books

He'll probably only get a three year deal.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Pip on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:49:21 am
Couple years time Rondon will be one of big earners we’ll struggle to get off the books

We really need to start doing Man Utd's x+1 deals where they have an option to extend a contract. We should be doing a 3+1 deal for Rondon and hopefully we did the same for Schar as well.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rich on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:50:15 am
Swapping a 27 year old that Rafa doesn't like for a 28 year old that he likes, and throw in only 3m. Sounds good to me.

We need a CB and we hopefully get to spend the rest of the Mitrovic money on a striker or attacking midfielder.

By my rough estimates, these transactions would leave us £23.5m in the green for this summer (assuming Muto goes through). So, in theory (:lol:), there'd be some there for more business.

Undoubtedly there was a decent loan fee for Kenedy and a signing on fee for Ki that'll come into the equation, plus whatever else Barnes and Co. feel like adding, of course.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Chris_R on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:56:33 am
Swapping a 27 year old that Rafa doesn't like for a 28 year old that he likes, and throw in only 3m. Sounds good to me.

We need a CB and we hopefully get to spend the rest of the Mitrovic money on a striker or attacking midfielder.

By my rough estimates, these transactions would leave us £23.5m in the green for this summer (assuming Muto goes through). So, in theory (:lol:), there'd be some there for more business.

Undoubtedly there was a decent loan fee for Kenedy and a signing on fee for Ki that'll come into the equation, plus whatever else Barnes and Co. feel like adding, of course.

Wages, obviously. But they won't deduct Mitro and Gayle's. There'll be nothing left.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: McCormick on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:58:08 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sbnufc on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:59:27 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
He didnt score 20+ goals in a s*** team with Pardew and Pulis as manager so he must be s****
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:01:30 am
Barnes has probably been instructed to veto all transfers involving 10m+ for any player above 26 since there is no resale value to them.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:02:03 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.

I can understand the dislike, but I see good potential with Rondon for this season, in terms of goalscoring and overall contribution to the team. He's seemingly shown in sides that can create chances (we created a very decent amount last season, IMO), he can hit the 10-13 goal mark. He's not the most prolific and would ideally be signed as a squad striker, but I'm pleased because I think he's a definite upgrade on what we had last year and he seems a really good fit for a Rafa striker.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Pip on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:08:12 am
I will like it even more if it's a short-term deal. I know that makes me sound like a cheap c*** but we really have to act cheap with Ashley in charge. Let's get this s*** done and get one more 'purple' (attacking midfielder/winger) to close out the window.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:08:17 am
He won't be a prolific goalscorer with 20 goals even under Rafa who would utilise his strength and movement to bring out the best in those behind him. Of course he will also weigh in with his fair share of goals but he's definitely not someone coming in to feed on the supplies of a strong creative force.

Think he will just be fine.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:08:44 am
The proposition have having two decent strikers in Rondon & Muto, with the in-form one starting and the other pushing to start coming off the bench late in games is so much stronger a situation to be in than we the one we've been in for the last 3/4 years striker-wise.

Thoroughly excited by the proposition.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Pip on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:09:34 am
Swapping a 27 year old that Rafa doesn't like for a 28 year old that he likes, and throw in only 3m. Sounds good to me.

We need a CB and we hopefully get to spend the rest of the Mitrovic money on a striker or attacking midfielder.

By my rough estimates, these transactions would leave us £23.5m in the green for this summer (assuming Muto goes through). So, in theory (:lol:), there'd be some there for more business.

Undoubtedly there was a decent loan fee for Kenedy and a signing on fee for Ki that'll come into the equation, plus whatever else Barnes and Co. feel like adding, of course.

Say Chelsea got 5m for a loan fee and Ki cost 2m in agent fees. That still leaves around 15m for one first team player. Hope we actually spend it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:15:02 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjWHje_WsAAE1hD.jpg)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ketsbaia on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:16:56 am
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:20:22 am
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.

It's a great deal for all parties involved. West Brom couldn't have realistically have hoped to keep Rondon in the Championship, so getting Gayle in is a fairly certain addition of goals in that league, whilst we get a player who Benitez rates and wants to work with.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:29:04 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
He didnt score 20+ goals in a s*** team with Pardew and Pulis as manager so he must be s****

:lol: he's never scored over 15 in his career, even in garbage leagues like Russia. Maybe some people have watched him and don't rate him. We'll most likely have the lowest scoring set of strikers in the division. Ba, Cisse and Remy all managed to bang them in under s*** managers
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:35:19 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.

Genuinely can’t remember the last time I was actually really excited about a transfer. I’m sick of this he’ll do attitude Ashley has beat in to us
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:38:33 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
He didnt score 20+ goals in a s*** team with Pardew and Pulis as manager so he must be s****

:lol: he's never scored over 15 in his career, even in garbage leagues like Russia. Maybe some people have watched him and don't rate him. We'll most likely have the lowest scoring set of strikers in the division. Ba, Cisse and Remy all managed to bang them in under s*** managers


Was just about to comment that using the fact he was managed by Pardew is such a s*** and desperate argument
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kasper on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:39:53 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjWHje_WsAAE1hD.jpg)

How does that look when you click per 90 metrics?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:40:41 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjWHje_WsAAE1hD.jpg)

How does that look when you click per 90 metrics?

Stole it off Twitter so I have absolutely no idea :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:41:27 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
He didnt score 20+ goals in a s*** team with Pardew and Pulis as manager so he must be s****
Or, sbnufc disagrees with reasonable opinion so must invent unreasonable one to make his look like the right one.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kasper on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:44:22 am
Not quite as good

(https://i.imgur.com/0gpqOWr.jpg)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:44:37 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
He didnt score 20+ goals in a s*** team with Pardew and Pulis as manager so he must be s****

:lol: he's never scored over 15 in his career, even in garbage leagues like Russia. Maybe some people have watched him and don't rate him. We'll most likely have the lowest scoring set of strikers in the division. Ba, Cisse and Remy all managed to bang them in under s*** managers


Was just about to comment that using the fact he was managed by Pardew is such a s*** and desperate argument

Pardew is without a doubt a terrible manager, but the strikers we had when he was here all scored plenty. I'm also sick of the "he'll do" attitude. Just looking at that sqawka comparison and how bad a selection of players that is, is very depressing. Rondon would be fine as a back up player, but we should absolutely not be in a position where we are spending 3m on our main striker. Rafa may well get a lot out out of him, but Rafa wont be here in a year and we'll be stuck with him
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:45:19 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
He didnt score 20+ goals in a s*** team with Pardew and Pulis as manager so he must be s****
Or, sbnufc disagrees with reasonable opinion so must invent unreasonable one to make his look like the right one.

Bring out the in-play screenshots.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: samptime29 on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:50:34 am
I'm not entirely convinced by him, but if the signing goes through, he gets my full support.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:51:03 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/comments/92wfxs/per_90m_stats/

There you go. Marginally worse than Gayle. Great signing.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Kasper on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:55:20 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/comments/92wfxs/per_90m_stats/

There you go. Marginally worse than Gayle. Great signing.

4 posts up man.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Zero on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:56:46 am
Very happy with this one tbh, don't get the hate.
He didnt score 20+ goals in a s*** team with Pardew and Pulis as manager so he must be s****

:lol: he's never scored over 15 in his career, even in garbage leagues like Russia. Maybe some people have watched him and don't rate him. We'll most likely have the lowest scoring set of strikers in the division. Ba, Cisse and Remy all managed to bang them in under s*** managers


Was just about to comment that using the fact he was managed by Pardew is such a s*** and desperate argument

Pardew is without a doubt a terrible manager, but the strikers we had when he was here all scored plenty. I'm also sick of the "he'll do" attitude. Just looking at that sqawka comparison and how bad a selection of players that is, is very depressing. Rondon would be fine as a back up player, but we should absolutely not be in a position where we are spending 3m on our main striker. Rafa may well get a lot out out of him, but Rafa wont be here in a year and we'll be stuck with him

This
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:56:46 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/comments/92wfxs/per_90m_stats/

There you go. Marginally worse than Gayle. Great signing.

4 posts up man.

:lol: oh yeah.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Theregulars on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:56:58 am
I think others have said it - the guy was pretty handy in Russia and Spain, and in Britain has played under Pulis and Pardew, which is akin to playing up front with one leg bandaged to the other. I think the reality is that he will be quite useful without ever being a prolific world beater.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:01:17 pm
Benteke managed 15 under Pardew, Remy 14, Ba 16, Cisse 13. Yes Pardew is a disgraceful c***, but those players still managed to score.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:07:29 pm
I’m disappointed Mitro has gone. He supports the club as well so this would have been a dream move for him.

Think he way things have panned out have been harsh for him.

Since when was it critical for a player to change how they play completely so they can get game time? It was perfectly fine for us to set up our team around how Shearer played, it was more than fine, it was effective.



Difference being, Shearer was 1000 times the player Mitro is or is ever likely to be.

Putting Shearer and that Donkey Mitrovic in the same sentence is just silly. Mitrovic wasn't even as good as Andreas Andersson FFS

I’m not comparing Mitrovic to Shearer. He’s far from a donkey though, you’re dead wrong about that.

But as he’s proven for a short time with Fulham and every club he’s been with apart from Newcastle, that he can score goals if a team plays to his strengths.

Currently we have no players who can do that. So instead of buying dross to replace him, why not try and get the best from him?

He’s as good as gone now so it will always be a hypothetical.

Rafa is not going to change the team's identity in favour of a certain player. It's about the players slotting into a team/tactics, not adapting the team to certain players.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:08:11 pm
I think others have said it - the guy was pretty handy in Russia and Spain, and in Britain has played under Pulis and Pardew, which is akin to playing up front with one leg bandaged to the other. I think the reality is that he will be quite useful without ever being a prolific world beater.

Urgh this argument

Kenwyne jones & Jonathan Walters got more goals in a season under pulls and ba and cisse got more under Pardew.

Gayle got 7 goals in 20 games under Pardew
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Seymour on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:09:53 pm
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.
Rondon has a year left on his contract, how many other clubs have even been in for him?
Gayle is a proven championship striker, he would be the best player in the division next season

Don't really see why we should be the ones paying the 3m extra tbh
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:10:47 pm
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.
Rondon has a year left on his contract, how many other clubs have even been in for him?
Gayle is a proven championship striker, he would be the best player in the division next season

Don't really see why we should be the ones paying the 3m extra tbh

Mainly because Gayle has been absolute dogshit since his injury. I'm amazed they even want him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:12:38 pm
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.
Rondon has a year left on his contract, how many other clubs have even been in for him?
Gayle is a proven championship striker, he would be the best player in the division next season

Don't really see why we should be the ones paying the 3m extra tbh

Mainly because Gayle has been absolute dogshit since his injury. I'm amazed they even want him.

he scored 23 goals in the championship, of course they want him
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ads on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:12:41 pm
For me, it's not about comparative stats as such. They can often be misleading. If Rafa (despite Rondon not being first choice) sees potential success with his attributes then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:12:57 pm
A swap for Gayle is okay I guess.

Allows us to spend the Mitrovic mon.. oh f*** it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:13:32 pm
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.
Rondon has a year left on his contract, how many other clubs have even been in for him?
Gayle is a proven championship striker, he would be the best player in the division next season

Don't really see why we should be the ones paying the 3m extra tbh

Mainly because Gayle has been absolute dogshit since his injury. I'm amazed they even want him.

he scored 23 goals in the championship, of course they want him

The "since his injury" was fairly key in the sentence. He's a gamble as much as Rondon is for us. But this is the position both clubs are in, we just happened to have a much better manager than them.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:14:10 pm
How much were Fulham willing to pay for Gayle last season?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:16:07 pm
How much were Fulham willing to pay for Gayle last season?

£15m
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:17:58 pm
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.
Rondon has a year left on his contract, how many other clubs have even been in for him?
Gayle is a proven championship striker, he would be the best player in the division next season

Don't really see why we should be the ones paying the 3m extra tbh

Mainly because Gayle has been absolute dogshit since his injury. I'm amazed they even want him.

he scored 23 goals in the championship, of course they want him

The "since his injury" was fairly key in the sentence. He's a gamble as much as Rondon is for us. But this is the position both clubs are in, we just happened to have a much better manager than them.

No way is he, he's consistently scored  goals in the championship. In terms of his injury, he's been in the PL since and his goalscoring record is the same as it's always been at elite level. He's 27 years old that injury hasn't finished him
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Seymour on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:20:59 pm
Gayle + £3m for Rondon. I suppose that's probably about right, despite personal opinions on Rondon.

At least we still have that domestic loan spot available..... I'm sure we'll use that one to save some pennies.
Rondon has a year left on his contract, how many other clubs have even been in for him?
Gayle is a proven championship striker, he would be the best player in the division next season

Don't really see why we should be the ones paying the 3m extra tbh

Mainly because Gayle has been absolute dogshit since his injury. I'm amazed they even want him.
He hasn't though, was the best striker in the championship, his finishing was poor in the premier league last season though no doubt.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that West Brom want Gayle tbh,

His runs in behind, pressing and workrate was essential for us last season,he seems popular in the dressing room too

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:22:31 pm
Benteke managed 15 under Pardew, Remy 14, Ba 16, Cisse 13. Yes Pardew is a disgraceful c***, but those players still managed to score.

Rondon isn't a goal scorer like, I suppose he must have plenty of other attributes which will make him useful, but he doesn't look like a natural finisher. But I still think he'll be a lot more use to us than Mitro or Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:30:32 pm
Benteke managed 15 under Pardew, Remy 14, Ba 16, Cisse 13. Yes Pardew is a disgraceful c***, but those players still managed to score.

Rondon isn't a goal scorer like, I suppose he must have plenty of other attributes which will make him useful, but he doesn't look like a natural finisher. But I still think he'll be a lot more use to us than Mitro or Gayle.

Yeah and that's fine I'm more arguing the point that he was bad at finishing because of his managers, which I disagree. I think he will be a useful player for us, and Rafa will get something out of him. However I think the entire thing is a pisstake from Ashley. 3m for a striker man.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thenige on Monday 30 July 2018, 12:53:21 pm
I think Rondon suits the style of play Rafa is forced to play given the constraints on him.

Rondon isn't the sort of player who'll suddenly bang in 20 goals and make us a top 6 club, but goes towards what essentially Newcastle are now. A team greater than the sum of its parts.

I do think the type of signings we've made are suited to a grafting, organised, hard-working side and we're making small steps towards a better overall squad.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:13:56 pm
I think Rondon suits the style of play Rafa is forced to play given the constraints on him.

Rondon isn't the sort of player who'll suddenly bang in 20 goals and make us a top 6 club, but goes towards what essentially Newcastle are now. A team greater than the sum of its parts.

I do think the type of signings we've made are suited to a grafting, organised, hard-working side and we're making small steps towards a better overall squad.

In other words we're turning into West Brom so Rondon will be perfect.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Anon on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:24:37 pm
If there's one position we don't want a grafter, it's up front. We saw it last year where we were fairly solid at the back, creative on the break but missed chance after chance when it mattered.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:36:06 pm
I think Rondon suits the style of play Rafa is forced to play given the constraints on him.

Rondon isn't the sort of player who'll suddenly bang in 20 goals and make us a top 6 club, but goes towards what essentially Newcastle are now. A team greater than the sum of its parts.

I do think the type of signings we've made are suited to a grafting, organised, hard-working side and we're making small steps towards a better overall squad.

In other words we're turning into West Brom so Rondon will be perfect.

That's Ashley's fault. (that we're a mid-table nothing club.)



Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:40:18 pm
I think Rondon suits the style of play Rafa is forced to play given the constraints on him.

Rondon isn't the sort of player who'll suddenly bang in 20 goals and make us a top 6 club, but goes towards what essentially Newcastle are now. A team greater than the sum of its parts.

I do think the type of signings we've made are suited to a grafting, organised, hard-working side and we're making small steps towards a better overall squad.

In other words we're turning into West Brom so Rondon will be perfect.

Another 12 months and we will probably have a West Brom type manager in place as well so watch this space.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ElCid on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:49:02 pm
Can’t believe people are arguing who is the better between Rondón and Gayle just shows how cheap and low this club operates it’s business
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: steve_69 on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:49:32 pm
To be fair to Rondon he hasn't exactly played under top class managers since he's been at West Brom - Tony Pulis, Gary Megson, Alan Pardew and Darren Moore. Given what Rafa has done to Diame, Dummett, Lascelles, Shelvey etc. I think there's a good chance he can make Rondon a better player.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:52:57 pm
Can’t believe people are arguing who is the better between Rondón and Gayle just shows how cheap and low this club operates it’s business

:thup; it's f***ing grim. Still in profit in this window
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 30 July 2018, 01:59:23 pm
Will be a powerful presense upfront for us and will score goals. I'll say at least 15.

You'll all love him and be worrying about someone poaching him off us next summer.

This thread will be very entertaining in a few months.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Theregulars on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:01:45 pm
To be fair to Rondon he hasn't exactly played until top class managers since he's been at West Brom - Tony Pulis, Gary Megson, Alan Pardew and Darren Moore. Given what Rafa has done to Diame, Dummett, Lascelles, Shelvey etc. I think there's a good chance he can make Rondon a better player.

Stop being so sensible.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:01:47 pm
Benteke managed 15 under Pardew, Remy 14, Ba 16, Cisse 13. Yes Pardew is a disgraceful c***, but those players still managed to score.

Let's look at the midfielders each of those strikers had behind them then.

Go on, humour me.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Collage on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:07:34 pm
Benteke managed 15 under Pardew, Remy 14, Ba 16, Cisse 13. Yes Pardew is a disgraceful c***, but those players still managed to score.

Let's look at the midfielders each of those strikers had behind them then.

Go on, humour me.

Gabriel Obertan, Jack Colback, James Perch, Yoan Gouffran
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:13:36 pm
I've always quite liked Rondon whenever I've seen him on TV. He should work quite well in a Rafa side/system.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:16:34 pm
Will be a powerful presense upfront for us and will score goals. I'll say at least 15.

You'll all love him and be worrying about someone poaching him off us next summer.

This thread will be very entertaining in a few months.

If he gets 15 plus goals I'll eat hay with a donkey
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Lenny on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:16:54 pm
As an isolated deal, I have no problem with us signing Rondon; I think he could be quite effective.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:28:28 pm
At least 15 goals, howay.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sho'Time on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:33:20 pm
Will be a powerful presense upfront for us and will score goals. I'll say at least 15.

You'll all love him and be worrying about someone poaching him off us next summer.

This thread will be very entertaining in a few months.

 :lol: The Kaka kiss of death.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:37:28 pm
Barring injury. At least 15 goals over the season.

I keep having flashbacks of the number of headers alone that Gayle missed last season.

There's a video of a hat trick of headers this monster scored against Everton. Please go and watch that video.

This guy will be awesome for us.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: McCormick on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:42:38 pm
Nah he'll get about 9/10 in the league, which is fine as his style of play will open up the spaces for others to chip in too.

For perspective; all the strikers who scored above 9 goals in the league last year would command fees of over 40 million*

*besides probably Glen Murray who I'm assuming would go for over 20 million.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: hoppaz on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:44:01 pm
Benteke managed 15 under Pardew, Remy 14, Ba 16, Cisse 13. Yes Pardew is a disgraceful c***, but those players still managed to score.

Let's look at the midfielders each of those strikers had behind them then.

Go on, humour me.

(http://matthewcadiz.com/imgs/ll-p-optimism.gif)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:48:50 pm
Barring injury. At least 15 goals over the season.

I keep having flashbacks of the number of headers alone that Gayle missed last season.

There's a video of a hat trick of headers this monster scored against Everton. Please go and watch that video.

This guy will be awesome for us.


Gayle was a decent finisher to a certain level, although he had a really bad season in that regard last time round. It happens. I'm quite prepared to accept Rondon will offer a lot more up front, but his youtube videos make Leon Best look like Shearer.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mike on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:50:29 pm
The idea that Rondon is due a dePardification intrigues me. Might be a good signing....
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Monday 30 July 2018, 02:56:55 pm
What’s the most recent believable update on this?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Menace on Monday 30 July 2018, 03:05:41 pm
Probably this

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11453198/newcastle-in-talks-for-west-brom-striker-salomon-rondon
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Monday 30 July 2018, 03:26:47 pm
Probably this

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11453198/newcastle-in-talks-for-west-brom-striker-salomon-rondon

Cheers, last I heard was a dodgy loan bid.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 30 July 2018, 03:53:54 pm
Find it amusing that Leon Best literally couldn't score any goals in the championship at all while Gayle scored at a ratio of more than one a game, yet Best was better in the Premier league than Gayle has been.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: maybe_next_year on Monday 30 July 2018, 03:55:16 pm
aye, hilarious.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:06:16 pm
At least 15 goals??? That would have made him the 6th/7th top scorer in the league last season.

Never
Gonna
Happen
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:07:45 pm
aye, hilarious.

Creasin'
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:08:14 pm
He’ll get anything between 6 & 12. Like most strikers under £30m these days.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:09:30 pm
So Ayoze will be our top scorer again?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stottie on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:19:17 pm
I reckon Muto is good for 10 if he plays 2000 minutes, 22 games' worth. I would place a bigger question mark over his injury record than his quality.

I've given up on Gayle in the Prem. I was expecting big things, but I think the mojo that got him those Championship goals has gone.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Seymour on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:23:53 pm
Muto isn't a no 10 mind
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:29:53 pm
I think he meant 10 goals.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:44:10 pm
I reckon Muto is good for 10 if he plays 2000 minutes, 22 games' worth. I would place a bigger question mark over his injury record than his quality.

I've given up on Gayle in the Prem. I was expecting big things, but I think the mojo that got him those Championship goals has gone.


10 in 22 games worth? Since when has been been close to a 1 in 2 striker :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Mikky on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:57:39 pm
So no chance of Tammy Abraham then? Quite liked him
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: reefatoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 04:58:56 pm
If we do get linked to Abraham, I’m looking forward to Kaka foaming with excitement telling us all he will score 50 goals.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Skeletor on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:05:03 pm
This is so depressing.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: firetotheworks on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:09:14 pm
Disco's vote KaKa campaign might finally have some legs now. :lol: f***ing hell.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:11:22 pm
The chronicle's got a few quotes from former managers singing his praises ( Rondon, not KaKa) if that's any consolation.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:12:04 pm
Jesus Christ these people who think Muto will get 10 in 22 games are in for a shock

No way is he a 1 in 2 striker FFS they don't cost 9m
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: STM on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:13:54 pm
I presume we have no intention of paying his release clause or it would have been done already. Even though I think he's probably going to be a decent signing, it's a blessing that we aren't going to spend 16.5m on him.

Mind you, it's all irrelevant since the club is broken forever.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:19:08 pm
Quote
Rafael Dudamel (Venezuela boss)
“If (Luis) Suarez is the best striker in the world or not, I can not discuss it, because he also plays for Barcelona, ​​a team in which he knows how to take advantage, within the collective gear, of the best of his teammates.

“If Rondon played in Barcelona he would also be among the best in the world.”

Manuel Pellegrini
The West Ham boss managed Rondon at Malaga.

“He’s a young man who likes to work hard,” Pellegrini said back in 2012.

“From the outset he’s always shown willingness to evolve and learn day after day. He’s still at that stage where he has a long way to go, but it is a privilege to have him in the team.”

Tony Pulis
On his attitude

“It has been Salomon carrying the weight of the world at times.

“We have created chances in games and not taken them. We scored two today but could have had more.

“You have to carry on, and Salomon has been fantastic. His attitude in training, his commitment to work for this group has been wonderful.”

On his ability

“He can score with his right foot, score with his left foot.

“He can run away from players. He can score the goal he did against Manchester United. He is capable of scoring all sorts of goals.

“I think if you look at English number nines, people like Ron Davis and people like that, who used to pull off at angles and they would flick the ball for Toshack, I think Salomon has got more pace. He can run in behind, he can hold it up. He has a little bit of everything.”

Gary Megson
Speaking after West Brom’s 1-1 draw at Tottenham last season, caretaker boss Megson heaped praise on Rondon.

“It was the best game I’ve seen Salomon play,” he told West Brom’s official website.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/he-little-bit-everything-what-14968748
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stottie on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:21:23 pm
As a CF for Mainz in all comps, he has 23 goals and 11 assists in 4449 minutes, a fair chunk of those minutes when coming back from injury. That's without playing for a manager as good as Rafa Benitez who is likely to improve him.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/yoshinori-muto/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/230541/plus/0?saison=&verein=39&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=14&trainer_id=

So he could be very good or maybe not. At this stage, it's conjecture, but conjecture based on 23 in 4449 minutes in a top European league, not Belgium or Japan. Mitrovic got 9 the last time, and I reckon Muto will be technically better and far better disciplined and more coachable than him. Gayle and Joselu should both have been close to double figures from the chances they had last season, so poor service was not the problem.

(I would also prefer Abraham, fwiw)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordie john on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:21:24 pm
I find it utterly depressing that the club I love and that once had a strike force of Shearer, Ferdinand, Asprilla, Bellamy, Robert, Ginola could begin to get even the tiniest bit of excitement in the prospect of replacing (I can do it in the championship but will be s**** in the premiership) Gayle with (I'm a big lump and couldn't score more than 10 goals in a season for Manchester City let alone Newcastle) Rondon. To what depths have we plummeted under the fabulous stewardship of Mike f***ing Ashley?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:26:26 pm
Salomon Rondon, he picks up the ball
in the box, and he goes past his man,
just cause he can.

Waits at the back post, hangs in the air,
and he heads the ball in
The toon's gonna win

To the tune of Eleanor Rigby obvs
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rocker on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:28:26 pm
I find it utterly depressing that the club I love and that once had a strike force of Shearer, Ferdinand, Asprilla, Bellamy, Robert, Ginola could begin to get even the tiniest bit of excitement in the prospect of replacing (I can do it in the championship but will be s**** in the premiership) Gayle with (I'm a big lump and couldn't score more than 10 goals in a season for Manchester City let alone Newcastle) Rondon. To what depths have we plummeted under the fabulous stewardship of Mike f***ing Ashley?

We've had some awful forwards in that time. Remember when Shefki Kuqi led our line man?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rocker on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:29:16 pm
Oh and I'm f***ing sure we played with absolutely no strikers a few times under Pardew.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:39:09 pm
Oh and I'm f***ing sure we played with absolutely no strikers a few times under Pardew.

Shola, so as good as.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Monday 30 July 2018, 05:54:53 pm
Oh and I'm f***ing sure we played with absolutely no strikers a few times under Pardew.

HBA up front on an artificial pitch in Russia. Lumped balls to him all night
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toon25 on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:00:23 pm
Just get this done ffs. Stop the pissing around.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:02:27 pm
When’s the window shut
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:03:59 pm
Oh and I'm f***ing sure we played with absolutely no strikers a few times under Pardew.

HBA up front on an artificial pitch in Russia. Lumped balls to him all night
First game back after 2 months out. Didn't feature for another month after that. Another Pardew blinder.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:05:29 pm
When’s the window shut
August 9th.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Hhtoon on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:05:50 pm
Jesus Christ these people who think Muto will get 10 in 22 games are in for a shock

No way is he a 1 in 2 striker FFS they don't cost 9m

"These people". It was one person you drama queen
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: gdm on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:06:11 pm
When’s the window shut
August 9th.

Can’t come soon enough this is so depressing
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LionOfGosforth on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:09:44 pm
Just get this done ffs. Stop the pissing around.

Haway man, we've got another 10 days to monitor and prepare the deal, nee hurry.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: QuakesMag on Monday 30 July 2018, 06:41:54 pm
Jesus Christ these people who think Muto will get 10 in 22 games are in for a shock

No way is he a 1 in 2 striker FFS they don't cost 9m

"These people". It was one person you drama queen

Give him a break. This cobknobbler needs all the help he can muster. He's managed to f***ing lose arguments to straw men.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:11:03 pm
Quote
Rafael Dudamel (Venezuela boss)
“If (Luis) Suarez is the best striker in the world or not, I can not discuss it, because he also plays for Barcelona, ​​a team in which he knows how to take advantage, within the collective gear, of the best of his teammates.

“If Rondon played in Barcelona he would also be among the best in the world.”

Manuel Pellegrini
The West Ham boss managed Rondon at Malaga.

“He’s a young man who likes to work hard,” Pellegrini said back in 2012.

“From the outset he’s always shown willingness to evolve and learn day after day. He’s still at that stage where he has a long way to go, but it is a privilege to have him in the team.”

Tony Pulis
On his attitude

“It has been Salomon carrying the weight of the world at times.

“We have created chances in games and not taken them. We scored two today but could have had more.

“You have to carry on, and Salomon has been fantastic. His attitude in training, his commitment to work for this group has been wonderful.”

On his ability

“He can score with his right foot, score with his left foot.

“He can run away from players. He can score the goal he did against Manchester United. He is capable of scoring all sorts of goals.

“I think if you look at English number nines, people like Ron Davis and people like that, who used to pull off at angles and they would flick the ball for Toshack, I think Salomon has got more pace. He can run in behind, he can hold it up. He has a little bit of everything.”

Gary Megson
Speaking after West Brom’s 1-1 draw at Tottenham last season, caretaker boss Megson heaped praise on Rondon.

“It was the best game I’ve seen Salomon play,” he told West Brom’s official website.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/he-little-bit-everything-what-14968748

WTF is Pulis talking about? Trumpian rambling.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Fugazi on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:17:19 pm
"Gary Megson
Speaking after West Brom’s 1-1 draw at Tottenham last season, caretaker boss Megson heaped praise on Rondon.

“It was the best game I’ve seen Salomon play,” he told West Brom’s official website."

Pointless quote to include :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:18:10 pm
"Gary Megson
Speaking after West Brom’s 1-1 draw at Tottenham last season, caretaker boss Megson heaped praise on Rondon.

“It was the best game I’ve seen Salomon play,” he told West Brom’s official website."

Pointless quote to include :lol:

:lol:

John Carver (licks lips):
"Rondon's a fella."
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Teasy on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:21:38 pm
Jesus Christ these people who think Muto will get 10 in 22 games are in for a shock

No way is he a 1 in 2 striker FFS they don't cost 9m

"These people". It was one person you drama queen

He was also talking about 22 full matches (as in 1980 mins).  No idea how well he'll do in this league.  But as far as his career so far he does generally get a goal every 200 mins or so on average.  His problem seems to be more about not playing enough games for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordie john on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:24:44 pm
I find it utterly depressing that the club I love and that once had a strike force of Shearer, Ferdinand, Asprilla, Bellamy, Robert, Ginola could begin to get even the tiniest bit of excitement in the prospect of replacing (I can do it in the championship but will be s**** in the premiership) Gayle with (I'm a big lump and couldn't score more than 10 goals in a season for Manchester City let alone Newcastle) Rondon. To what depths have we plummeted under the fabulous stewardship of Mike f***ing Ashley?

We've had some awful forwards in that time. Remember when Shefki Kuqi led our line man?

Sure, but we've also had some great ones. I guess we could all name s**** No. 9's (as well as great ones) but the point is, with all this supposed TV money around and bang average clubs spending fortunes - Fulham for F's sake - why are we still in bargain basement for loans and 3rd rate not really good enough to be called strikers??
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rocker on Monday 30 July 2018, 07:29:17 pm
I find it utterly depressing that the club I love and that once had a strike force of Shearer, Ferdinand, Asprilla, Bellamy, Robert, Ginola could begin to get even the tiniest bit of excitement in the prospect of replacing (I can do it in the championship but will be s**** in the premiership) Gayle with (I'm a big lump and couldn't score more than 10 goals in a season for Manchester City let alone Newcastle) Rondon. To what depths have we plummeted under the fabulous stewardship of Mike f***ing Ashley?

We've had some awful forwards in that time. Remember when Shefki Kuqi led our line man?

Sure, but we've also had some great ones. I guess we could all name s**** No. 9's (as well as great ones) but the point is, with all this supposed TV money around and bang average clubs spending fortunes - Fulham for F's sake - why are we still in bargain basement for loans and 3rd rate not really good enough to be called strikers??

Aye, I'm agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thenige on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:21:34 pm
Have a horrible feeling this is going to drag on until the last day of the window then he’ll sign so we can be filled with the joy of getting one over the line and breaking our transfer record.

All whilst making a vast profit and having numerous gaps in the squad which desperately need filling.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:23:01 pm
You keep wallowing in self pity and getting yourself all worked up. Very manly.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:26:05 pm
If this falls through our options are Joselu, Gayle, Muto and about £30m up front yeah?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:28:01 pm
He’ll get anything between 6 & 12. Like most strikers under £30m these days.
If he buries 50% of the sitters Gayle missed last season he'll be close to 15 goals imo.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:28:01 pm
If this falls through our options are Joselu, Gayle, Muto and about £30m up front yeah?

Just think of all the goals there
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:29:05 pm
If this falls through our options are Joselu, Gayle, Muto and about £30m up front yeah?

Just think of all the goals there

Of those 4 options Gayle will get the least.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:30:40 pm
If this falls through our options are Joselu, Gayle, Muto and about £30m up front yeah?

Just think of all the goals there

Of those 4 options Gayle will get the least.

Yep as a premier league striker he's utter s*** he found his level in the championship
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:31:54 pm
If this falls through our options are Joselu, Gayle, Muto and about £30m up front yeah?

Just think of all the goals there

Of those 4 options Gayle will get the least.

Yep as a premier league striker he's utter s*** he found his level in the championship
Well your opinion is generally wrong so there's that.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:35:35 pm
I know it's a joke but out of Gayle and Joselu why would you have a go at Gayle for being s****  :lol: Joselu can't even reach 5.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:37:17 pm
If we do sign him, at least it'll be nice to watch a striker who's strong up top, he has the pace and workrate Mitro doesn't to go with it.

Strength, pace, workrate and experience makes him a Rafa player, oh well hope it works out.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:38:26 pm
I know it's a joke but out of Gayle and Joselu why would you have a go at Gayle for being s****  :lol: Joselu can't even reach 5.

Well both are crap really but i think if both played 38 games id suggest Joselu may get more. 2 p*ss poor all round strikers though
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:42:14 pm
Have a horrible feeling this is going to drag on until the last day of the window then he’ll sign so we can be filled with the joy of getting one over the line and breaking our transfer record.

All whilst making a vast profit and having numerous gaps in the squad which desperately need filling.

It's got to the stage where even if it does drag on I'm not really that arsed about it. There's not even much of a pretence we're trying to build something worth getting excited about this season.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:42:24 pm
I know it's a joke but out of Gayle and Joselu why would you have a go at Gayle for being s****  [emoji38] Joselu can't even reach 5.

Well both are crap really but i think if both played 38 games id suggest Joselu may get more. 2 p*ss poor all round strikers though
I think you, and us all actually, are ignoring a lot with Gayle. He hardly played at the start of the season and he was clearly adapting to the injury that seemed to have shattered his confidence in his pace. In spite of all that he improved his all round game massively and was still getting in positions to miss chances in the PL.

Short version for a 27 year old striker there's a chance he's not dead yet.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Doc on Monday 30 July 2018, 10:46:13 pm
Salomon Rondon, he picks up the ball
in the box, and he goes past his man,
just cause he can.

Waits at the back post, hangs in the air,
and he heads the ball in
The toon's gonna win

To the tune of Eleanor Rigby obvs

Love this like.
Needs a chorus though.
However that's the sum total of my input. :whistle:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Benwell Lad on Monday 30 July 2018, 11:05:00 pm
Whatever we may think and wherever they were in his pecking order of targets, I think it's quite obvious that Rafa will prefer having Muto and Rondon in his squad rather than Mitro and Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ohmelads on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 04:56:27 am
I know it's a joke but out of Gayle and Joselu why would you have a go at Gayle for being s****  [emoji38] Joselu can't even reach 5.

Well both are crap really but i think if both played 38 games id suggest Joselu may get more. 2 p*ss poor all round strikers though
I think you, and us all actually, are ignoring a lot with Gayle. He hardly played at the start of the season and he was clearly adapting to the injury that seemed to have shattered his confidence in his pace. In spite of all that he improved his all round game massively and was still getting in positions to miss chances in the PL.

Short version for a 27 year old striker there's a chance he's not dead yet.

Problem with Gayle is that if he misses chances, he doesn't offer much else. He has a bit of pace but never enough to make defences sit deeper, and he contributes very little to approach play. He's basically a poacher who is now lacking confidence and goes missing in front of more organised defences.

Rondon looks like he'll be equally poor in front of goal but will contribute in other ways that Gayle and our other strikers don't. He'll miss chances but still bring others into play and provide an out ball when we're under pressure. In that sense he's probably an upgrade. We're gonna struggle for goals again though unless Kennedy/Muto have a class season or Perez can kick on.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Zero on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 05:53:40 am
I would have no problem for Rondon replacing Gayle.  My problem is we have given up a promising young striker at the same time and now we only have Rondon as our ONLY option.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 06:18:02 am
I'm not worried about that at all.

Muto replaces Gayle
Robson replaces Mitro

It's simple. Rafa doesn't rate Mitro in terms of what he wants/needs in a player for his team. Both muto and Rondon are upgrades on Gayle/Mitro in rafa eyes or we wouldn't be getting them.

Just underwhelming when Abraham, wellbeck, Rashford, plea were all linked and seemingly available.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 06:25:00 am
I'm not worried about that at all.

Muto replaces Gayle
Robson replaces Mitro

It's simple. Rafa doesn't rate Mitro in terms of what he wants/needs in a player for his team. Both muto and Rondon are upgrades on Gayle/Mitro in rafa eyes or we wouldn't be getting them.

Just underwhelming when Abraham, wellbeck, Rashford, plea were all linked and seemingly available.

Welbeck??!!!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: John P on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 06:34:29 am
Find it hard to believe that people on here don't think Welbeck would massively improve our striker options.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 06:46:30 am
Find it hard to believe that people on here don't think Welbeck would massively improve our striker options.

He would unfortunately he's made from balsa wood
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: r0cafella on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 07:03:22 am
He’s not prolific, expensive, injury prone and had a spell down the road.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Raconteur on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 10:08:40 am
So Ayoze will be our top scorer again?

I have $10 in Ayoze to score 15+ goals :thup:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 10:17:17 am
So Ayoze will be our top scorer again?

I have $10 in Ayoze to score 15+ goals :thup:

Think of what you could have bought with that!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Raconteur on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 10:30:36 am
Saying it now - this is Ayoze's year.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 11:38:02 am
Saying it now - this is Ayoze's year.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: alexjack on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 11:41:33 am
Been reading a lot of opinions here. Whether we like it or not, we don't have a proper target man in our squad. If Rondon is an option. Why not? We managed to stay up with injured Slimani, I don't see why can't we do a better job this year with fit Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 11:49:11 am
Actually spoke to a baggies mate of mine who absolutely loves Rondon, definitely more positive about him now. Not that it excuses the pathetic window, but he knows his s*** and rates him very highly.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 11:50:56 am
I think most people’s qualms are to do with the fact we should be signing players who are a lot more exciting and proven, not so much Rondon himself.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 11:54:35 am
I certainly have faith in Rafa, that Rondon can contribute more this season than Gayle did, last. The triumvirate of Kenedy, Perez and Rondon, could prove effective.

Kenedy likes to move all over, and this could allow Perez to exploit space on the left, his first season he scored a few goals cutting i from there, despite being generally s**** when played in that position.


Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:01:37 pm
I think most people’s qualms are to do with the fact we should be signing players who are a lot more exciting and proven, not so much Rondon himself.

I don't know if Rondon's been given the chance to prove himself at West Brom, TBH. This might be his chance. 9 goals for West Brom who scored a total of 31 suggests an improvement on both Gayle (6) and Joselu (4) from our total of 39.

We more than likely created, and missed, more opportunities than WBA, so you would hope this will translate to more goals in our team.

It's not exciting, but it does suggest improvement.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:02:10 pm
I think most people’s qualms are to do with the fact we should be signing players who are a lot more exciting and proven, not so much Rondon himself.

I can fully admit I don't particularly rate him but my mate made a really good case for him. Basically said he's playing without a player within 20 yards of him, but still grafted his arse off. Hated the entire squad last season aside from Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:02:59 pm
I think there's been too much talk about signing him for it to actually go through. It'll fall through at the last minute because Gayle doesn't want to leave.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:03:13 pm
I think most people’s qualms are to do with the fact we should be signing players who are a lot more exciting and proven, not so much Rondon himself.

I can fully admit I don't particularly rate him but my mate made a really good case for him. Basically said he's playing without a player within 20 yards of him, but still grafted his arse off. Hated the entire squad last season aside from Rondon.

Tallies pretty much with what I’ve seen on TV TBH.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:04:02 pm
I think most people’s qualms are to do with the fact we should be signing players who are a lot more exciting and proven, not so much Rondon himself.

I can fully admit I don't particularly rate him but my mate made a really good case for him. Basically said he's playing without a player within 20 yards of him, but still grafted his arse off. Hated the entire squad last season aside from Rondon.
I do  think with Perez, Kennedy etc working around him we will see a much better player.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:05:02 pm
I think there's been too much talk about signing him for it to actually go through. It'll fall through at the last minute because Gayle doesn't want to leave.

Always happens on FM. Just remember to set him as 'not needed by club', before going into contract negotiations.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: McCormick on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:05:20 pm
Actually spoke to a baggies mate of mine who absolutely loves Rondon, definitely more positive about him now. Not that it excuses the pathetic window, but he knows his s*** and rates him very highly.

Aye. He's very highly rated by West Brom fans. Personally, i believe he's the best target man outside the top 7...
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:08:05 pm
Saying it now - this is Ayoze's year.

Or he'll continue to be inconsistent and drive us all mad but still get around 10 goals ?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:11:18 pm
Saying it now - this is Ayoze's year.

Or he'll continue to be inconsistent and drive us all mad but still get around 10 goals ?

If he can hit the ground running then he'll grow as the season goes on. He should be more confident this season, than the last three. New signing, relegation, newly promoted. One of the biggest elements of stability is that youngsters like him continue to develop in a consistent environment.

Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:18:33 pm
Saying it now - this is Ayoze's year.

Or he'll continue to be inconsistent and drive us all mad but still get around 10 goals ?

If he can hit the ground running then he'll grow as the season goes on. He should be more confident this season, than the last three. New signing, relegation, newly promoted. One of the biggest elements of stability is that youngsters like him continue to develop in a consistent environment.

I like him but i just think he'll always be inconsistent, tbf the treatment of Rafa in the transfer market doesn't help players like Ayoze. You improve them by bringing in better players who help them become better themselves.

Ayoze is a talented but frustrating player who you can see has so much potential in. Ayoze is our club if it was a player, frustrating.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:36:49 pm
I think most people’s qualms are to do with the fact we should be signing players who are a lot more exciting and proven, not so much Rondon himself.
This, I think he's a decent player and he'll do reasonably well for us BUT like you say there is no logical reason we shouldn't be targeting a better standard of player.

Rondon is strong and has good movement, not a prolific scorer. To get both we'd have to spend double which is never happening under Ashley.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:40:10 pm
Actually spoke to a baggies mate of mine who absolutely loves Rondon, definitely more positive about him now. Not that it excuses the pathetic window, but he knows his s*** and rates him very highly.

Can't believe how lowly rated he is on here.

He is an absolute Gladiator of a striker.  I like him a lot.

With a better quality of players,  a better manager and the Newcastle crowd? The guy will be a problem!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:51:15 pm
Saying it now - this is Ayoze's year.

Or he'll continue to be inconsistent and drive us all mad but still get around 10 goals ?

If he can hit the ground running then he'll grow as the season goes on. He should be more confident this season, than the last three. New signing, relegation, newly promoted. One of the biggest elements of stability is that youngsters like him continue to develop in a consistent environment.



Ayoze is more of a second striker than attacking midfielder and so will benefit massively from having a powerful striker to play off of.

Think Rondon is really important for Ayoze in actuality. We really haven't seen him alongside an effective target man yet.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ikon on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 12:52:34 pm
Middleground Kaka strikes again ;)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 01:24:59 pm
I think most people’s qualms are to do with the fact we should be signing players who are a lot more exciting and proven, not so much Rondon himself.

I've got absolutely no problem with signing Rondon assuming Rafa genuinely wants him ahead of any other striker which should be within our budget. My doubts are totally centred around whether the board are actively chasing down players high on his list.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 01:47:21 pm
this dude getting signed or what
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Sho'Time on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 01:48:25 pm
this dude getting signed or what

f*** Rondon, I heard we're signing Fraser for £50m!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: 1964 on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 02:01:33 pm
this dude getting signed or what

f*** Rondon, I heard we're signing Fraser for £50m!
The one off Dad's Army?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stal on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 02:04:23 pm
We're doomed.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HawK on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 03:42:03 pm
We're doomed.

Rondoon tbh
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: samptime29 on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 03:43:24 pm
Rontoon.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 06:47:25 pm
This c*** washing St James park yet ?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: George Bailey on Tuesday 31 July 2018, 08:03:24 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: pbxtn on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:09:51 am
Move stalled according to SSN due to Gayle wages :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: McCormick on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:11:56 am
Oh FFS, and here I was defending this window :lol: . Any reason given as to why?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:14:56 am
Oh FFS, and here I was defending this window [emoji38] . Any reason given as to why?
Gullibility? [emoji38]
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:16:47 am
 :mike:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: McCormick on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:16:50 am
:lol: Strolled straight into that one.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: NUFC_Chris on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:18:52 am
I bet Gayle doesn't want to move to West Brom.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:19:03 am
Just pay the 16.5m fee ffs. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:41:42 am
I bet Gayle doesn't want to move to West Brom.

Correct - https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/salomon-rondon-deal-latest-dwight-14976411
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:43:32 am
He should want to stay as well, especially if the alternative is such a s*** club.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Zero on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:43:45 am
Gayle will be our starting striker for this season. Of course he doesn't want to move.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:47:05 am
He needs to sort himself out and start finding the goal then.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:49:12 am
He should want to stay go as well, especially if the alternative is such a s*** club.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:49:20 am
I think there's been too much talk about signing him for it to actually go through. It'll fall through at the last minute because Gayle doesn't want to leave.

Oops
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:50:44 am
That's us done for the window now.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:50:44 am
He should want to stay as well, especially if the alternative is Joselu.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:55:09 am
That's us done for the window now.

Is that you Lee?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Si on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:57:40 am
That's us done for the window now.

Is that you Lee?
Nah there's punctuation.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Fenham Mag on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:59:00 am
on to our 4th choice then!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shadow Puppets on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:05:25 am
on to our 4th choice then!

Or here's an idea... just pay the money and buy Rondon and KEEP Gayle too!
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:07:05 am
We really should keep Gayle anyway, can't really say we've reliably strengthened otherwise.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: O'Neill on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:08:17 am
on to our 4th choice then!

Or here's an idea... just pay the money and buy Rondon and KEEP Gayle too!

It's West Brom dictating here, not Newcastle unfortunately. They need a striker and whether it be Gayle or Rondon they clearly are going to ensure they aren't left in a position without one. It would probably take a huge offer (and Newcastle don't even do mediocre offers) to take Rondon away without them having an alternative in place.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shadow Puppets on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:09:30 am
on to our 4th choice then!

Or here's an idea... just pay the money and buy Rondon and KEEP Gayle too!

It's West Brom dictating here, not Newcastle unfortunately. They need a striker and whether it be Gayle or Rondon they clearly are going to ensure they aren't left in a position without one. It would probably take a huge offer (and Newcastle don't even do mediocre offers) to take Rondon away without them having an alternative in place.

You know that, how?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: SteveMc on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:10:04 am
He has a release clause?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rich on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:13:50 am
on to our 4th choice then!

Or here's an idea... just pay the money and buy Rondon and KEEP Gayle too!

It's West Brom dictating here, not Newcastle unfortunately. They need a striker and whether it be Gayle or Rondon they clearly are going to ensure they aren't left in a position without one. It would probably take a huge offer (and Newcastle don't even do mediocre offers) to take Rondon away without them having an alternative in place.

He's got a £16.5m release clause.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: O'Neill on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:17:36 am
Just going by what I've read. We want their player and from reports they are asking for our player in return. However Gayle doesn't appear to want to go to West Brom and I can't say I've read anything about Rondon being desperate to come here or West Brom needing to offload him. End result is that West Brom can simply keep Rondon or wait until they find a replacement before selling him to us. Them finding a proven goalscorer at Championship level isn't going to be easy/cheap though which is why it makes sense that they are keen on doing some sort of exchange to get Gayle.

I'd say Newcastle could get Rondon by putting in a big enough offer to tempt West Brom but that's hardly reality is it? I'll ignore the release clause because I really don't see us paying it. That would be the transfer budget for the next three windows.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:19:55 am
Depends if Gayle just wants to stay, or just wants more money to go. If the latter than I guess it'll eventually get done.

I want to keep Gayle anyway, but assume that's not on the cards.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:29:11 am
We're not going to go with Rondon, Gayle, Muto & Joselu.

Hopefully Gayle goes soon. Would be nice if it was Joselu but that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:30:53 am
We're not going to go with Rondon, Gayle, Muto & Joselu.

Hopefully Gayle goes soon. Would be nice if it was Joselu but that's not going to happen.

Would it be typical Newcastle if Muto gets his work permit refused and we end up with just Gayle and Joselu though?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:31:49 am
We're not going to go with Rondon, Gayle, Muto & Joselu.

Hopefully Gayle goes soon. Would be nice if it was Joselu but that's not going to happen.

I know we won't, but we should.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: steve_69 on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:40:55 am
We're not going to go with Rondon, Gayle, Muto & Joselu.

Hopefully Gayle goes soon. Would be nice if it was Joselu but that's not going to happen.

Would it be typical Newcastle if Muto gets his work permit refused and we end up with just Gayle and Joselu though?

Guess who wins again
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:57:16 am
We're not going to go with Rondon, Gayle, Muto & Joselu.

Hopefully Gayle goes soon. Would be nice if it was Joselu but that's not going to happen.

I know we won't, but we should.

I disagree, think Gayle is a poor footballer and the injury has done his confidence. Offload while there’s still some value from Championship clubs to take a punt on him.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:01:39 pm
Does the new transfer deadline apply to Championship clubs too, or are they able to buy / loan players from overseas or domestically?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:03:39 pm
We're not going to go with Rondon, Gayle, Muto & Joselu.

Hopefully Gayle goes soon. Would be nice if it was Joselu but that's not going to happen.

I know we won't, but we should.

I disagree, think Gayle is a poor footballer and the injury has done his confidence. Offload while there’s still some value from Championship clubs to take a punt on him.

Totally agree, Rafa called Gayle out a coupe of times last season after his injury to say that he needs to have more confidence in his own body and push himself, I don't think he did and Rafa wasn't happy
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LRD on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:08:30 pm
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11231990/two-transfer-deadline-days-in-august

WBA can still loan players up to 31 Aug.

Guess we are more desperate than them then.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:10:45 pm
Our current net spend is minus £34m (minus £24.5m if the Muto deal goes through) and we can't meet a straight forward release clause for a relegated centre forward and instead have to try to use our centre forward in a swap deal?! Embarassing yet again - cheers, Mike - tosser
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: SSFC on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:16:47 pm
I can understand why some people believe Gayle can be something. His xG+xA  was comparable to the best in the league. Problem being those results didnt parlay into results. Nevertheless we need an upgrade at the position in my opinion and have no qualms in moving on and finding a replacement. If he is here and we only add Muto, then I hope those advanced metrics show their merit and the goals start happening.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:19:46 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:38:40 pm
That's us done for the window now.

That's us done for the Premier League too....Joselu and Gayle as our strikers man.....is there a worse 2 in the league
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:51:01 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.

Well, he's on a contract and is well within his rights to stay if he's unhappy with West Brom's offer. But we just sold Mitro for £22m so there's no reason not to activate Rondon's release clause if we are serious about him. We can always shift Gayle elsewhere if it comes to that.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:52:58 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.

Well, he's on a contract and is well within his rights to stay if he's unhappy with West Brom's offer. But we just sold Mitro for £22m so there's no reason not to activate Rondon's release clause if we are serious about him. We can always shift Gayle elsewhere if it comes to that.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that with us
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 12:53:31 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.

Well, he's on a contract and is well within his rights to stay if he's unhappy with West Brom's offer. But we just sold Mitro for £22m so there's no reason not to activate Rondon's release clause if we are serious about him. We can always shift Gayle elsewhere if it comes to that.

We can't risk ending up with too many purples.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 01:02:29 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.

Well, he's on a contract and is well within his rights to stay if he's unhappy with West Brom's offer. But we just sold Mitro for £22m so there's no reason not to activate Rondon's release clause if we are serious about him. We can always shift Gayle elsewhere if it comes to that.

We can't risk ending up with too many purples.

It's f***ing ridiculous man. We will probably find some way to get the deal done somehow, but why would you risk it if your really want a player?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gorilla on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 01:31:08 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.

Well, he's on a contract and is well within his rights to stay if he's unhappy with West Brom's offer. But we just sold Mitro for £22m so there's no reason not to activate Rondon's release clause if we are serious about him. We can always shift Gayle elsewhere if it comes to that.

We can't risk ending up with too many purples.

It's f***ing ridiculous man. We will probably find some way to get the deal done somehow, but why would you risk it if your really want a player?
We need Gayle anyway as if Rondon is out it's back to Joselu.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 01:45:05 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.

Well, he's on a contract and is well within his rights to stay if he's unhappy with West Brom's offer. But we just sold Mitro for £22m so there's no reason not to activate Rondon's release clause if we are serious about him. We can always shift Gayle elsewhere if it comes to that.

We can't risk ending up with too many purples.

It's f***ing ridiculous man. We will probably find some way to get the deal done somehow, but why would you risk it if your really want a player?
We need Gayle anyway as if Rondon is out it's back to Joselu.

I'm assuming Muto would cover Gayle's departure.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 01:54:18 pm
Downie said on Sky the issue was from Gayle's side and was to do with money fwiw. Haven't seen that mentioned.

Well, he's on a contract and is well within his rights to stay if he's unhappy with West Brom's offer. But we just sold Mitro for £22m so there's no reason not to activate Rondon's release clause if we are serious about him. We can always shift Gayle elsewhere if it comes to that.

We can't risk ending up with too many purples.

We haven’t even got a purple up front.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Gorilla on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 02:08:32 pm
They are just stringing it out further so we get to the point we'd be happy with John Hartson coming out of retirement so Rondon will be like signing a young Pele to us.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Fenham Mag on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 02:16:44 pm
Salomon Condom more like. We've pulled out.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:15:36 pm
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Infinitely Content on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:17:22 pm

Will support him obviously, but man I was looking forward to seeing the back of him tbh. Not even close to good enough imo.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: toontownman on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:19:00 pm
Lovely.

That said I have no problems with him staying. Most premier league squads have 5 strikers. Just unlikely we will want that as we only play with 1 generally.

Happy to ship Joselu out and keep Gayle. Wishful thinking though. I expect thats us done for a striker if Gayle stays.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:20:35 pm

I’ll run the bath
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:20:51 pm

I’ll run the bath

And drown myself in it
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:22:20 pm
That's that, then. We go with what we've got.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:28:03 pm
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LionOfGosforth on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 10:29:55 pm
Can't even rustle up any sort of deal to sign this lump after trousering 20m+ from the (now utterly pointless) Mitrovic sale. There really should be such a thing as a league investigation into a complete refusal to compete, because we'd be the poster club for it.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:02:40 pm
I wonder why no other clubs have been in for him ?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:04:19 pm
I wonder why no other clubs have been in for him ?

Maybe they will. We certainly won’t be unless we can swap him for someone.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ketsbaia on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:18:04 pm
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Wednesday 1 August 2018, 11:18:53 pm

6 posts up ffs  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Thursday 2 August 2018, 12:27:45 am
West Brom play this Saturday. Be interesting to see if he’s involved.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: GeordieDazzler on Thursday 2 August 2018, 09:33:51 am

'We tried'
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: midds on Thursday 2 August 2018, 09:38:44 am
At least we can now go in with a cheeky £8m bid and start haggling.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tsunami on Thursday 2 August 2018, 09:41:30 am
Just as Mike was about to sanction this no doubt. Never mind we’ll save over £11M by getting in this year’s Joselu; with a bit luck we’ve also p*ssed Gayle off enough to either leave or stay and had his fragile confidence completely battered. I’m getting more convinced that Rafa should just walk.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Thursday 2 August 2018, 09:58:59 am
Maybe we'll do a Fellaini to Man Utd and just pay loads more than the release fee for no reason...:yao:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Eddy Chibas on Thursday 2 August 2018, 10:01:18 am
At least we can now go in with a cheeky £8m bid and start haggling.

First installment of Mitro's incoming transfer fee could finance a cheeky 3-4m loan bid (plus wages).
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Thursday 2 August 2018, 10:08:16 am

'We tried'


Unbelievable. :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Thursday 2 August 2018, 10:19:46 am
Surely that means you could buy him for less, i know they'll want more though and we won't pay either anyhoo  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 2 August 2018, 10:32:25 am
Surely he'll end up leaving WBA, they'll need to cut wages. Just like us to make it more difficult than necessary.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Thursday 2 August 2018, 11:26:08 am
If Rafa genuinely wanted him, we should be using the Mitro money to buy him, there's still more than enough left over to pay Gayle's wages until January if no one else comes in for him. Before it was we need to sell to buy, now we have to make a swap deal otherwise it's not happening. They keep moving the goalposts every time we take one step forward. :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Shearergol on Thursday 2 August 2018, 11:27:46 am
If Rafa genuinely wanted him, we should be using the Mitro money to buy him, there's still more than enough left over to pay Gayle's wages until January if no one else comes in for him. Before it was we need to sell to buy, now we have to make a swap deal otherwise it's not happening. They keep moving the goalposts every time we take one step forward. :lol:

Forget the Mitro money. We should be using the Carroll/Sissoko/Wijnaldum money.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 2 August 2018, 11:27:58 am
There'll argue we can't have 4 senior strikers on our books (5 if you include Armstrong)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Haz on Thursday 2 August 2018, 12:43:45 pm
Rondon supposedly on £60 grand per. WBA will want that wage bill slashed unless he has a relegation clause.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Raconteur on Thursday 2 August 2018, 12:58:44 pm
No Rondon because we wouldn't pay a modest release fee (which has now expired), nor can we swap or loan in an average player to fill *THE* glaring hole in the team.

Here's a fun game: Rank the current strikers on the books in order you would choose to play them (in Rafa's 4-2-3-1)

1. Muto (never seen him play)
2. Joselu
3. Gayle (Yes, behind the donkey)
4. Armstrong

Maybe?

 :anguish: :icon_puke_r: :sadwave:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: geordiedean on Thursday 2 August 2018, 01:03:18 pm
No Rondon....can't afford 16m
No Tagliafico...can't afford 8m
No Bryan....can't afford 6m

Wtf
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: triggs on Thursday 2 August 2018, 01:26:31 pm
No Rondon because we wouldn't pay a modest release fee (which has now expired), nor can we swap or loan in an average player to fill *THE* glaring hole in the team.

Here's a fun game: Rank the current strikers on the books in order you would choose to play them (in Rafa's 4-2-3-1)

1. Muto (never seen him play)
2. Joselu
3. Gayle (Yes, behind the donkey)
4. Armstrong

Maybe?

 :anguish: :icon_puke_r: :sadwave:
Muto
Armstrong
Gayle
Joselu
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: nufc4eva on Thursday 2 August 2018, 01:28:52 pm
No Rondon....can't afford 16m
No Tagliafico...can't afford 8m
No Bryan....can't afford 6m

Wtf

They want wages as well remember and agent fees / sign on fees. Plus we haven't got any money in, allowing other clubs to pay in installments. Can't have everything you know
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thenige on Thursday 2 August 2018, 02:18:10 pm
No Rondon because we wouldn't pay a modest release fee (which has now expired), nor can we swap or loan in an average player to fill *THE* glaring hole in the team.

Here's a fun game: Rank the current strikers on the books in order you would choose to play them (in Rafa's 4-2-3-1)

1. Muto (never seen him play)
2. Joselu
3. Gayle (Yes, behind the donkey)
4. Armstrong

Maybe?

 :anguish: :icon_puke_r: :sadwave:
Muto
Armstrong
Gayle
Joselu

Bring back Shola and he'd probably be half way up that list.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Raconteur on Thursday 2 August 2018, 02:20:47 pm
Starting at nearly 40
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Teasy on Thursday 2 August 2018, 02:26:01 pm
I'd bet even Joselu has a better scoring record than Shola like.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 2 August 2018, 02:32:19 pm
Let's pretend there's any intention at all of signing him; I can't tell if the expiry of the release fee is actually good news or bad news...

Does it make WBA less likely to hold out for the 16 mill, or does it give them more scope to actually demand more?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRC on Thursday 2 August 2018, 02:45:38 pm
Demand more
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: UncleBingo on Thursday 2 August 2018, 02:47:06 pm
Apparently he's off to Fulham as back up to Mitrovic.

Next.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 2 August 2018, 02:54:24 pm
It’s a bit pointless demanding more when we wouldn’t pay what they asked before.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 2 August 2018, 03:02:33 pm
It’s a bit pointless demanding more when we wouldn’t pay what they asked before.

Exactly. Clearly he isn't in high demand, given no one else threatened to trigger the very modest release clause. If we're the only potential suitor, maybe they'd accept our £9m + free mug offer, cos they're desperate to get him off the wage bill.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: shakey jake on Thursday 2 August 2018, 03:11:44 pm
Apparently he's off to Fulham as back up to Mitrovic.

Next.

Are you f***ing serious?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LionOfGosforth on Thursday 2 August 2018, 03:32:01 pm
Apparently he's off to Fulham as back up to Mitrovic.

Next.

Are you f***ing serious?

:lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: thomas on Thursday 2 August 2018, 03:52:27 pm
excellent :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Disco on Thursday 2 August 2018, 04:09:02 pm

Of interest.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 2 August 2018, 05:15:28 pm
Apparently he's off to Fulham as back up to Mitrovic.

Next.
That would be quite funny.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 2 August 2018, 05:38:15 pm
Apparently they want £25m for Rondon now. They surely won't get anywhere near that.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ketsbaia on Thursday 2 August 2018, 05:54:17 pm
Wasn't even worth £16.5m :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Bimpy474 on Thursday 2 August 2018, 05:56:49 pm
they're off their tits, especially if they think we'll pay it  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Tsunami on Thursday 2 August 2018, 06:14:19 pm
I can’t imagine Rondon is too chuffed at the moment; no interest other than us who wouldn’t meet £16.5M and they now want over a third on top of that now. I’m assuming Rondon’s agent had told us when the the release clause would expire to get this pushed through. Rafa has every right to be majorly p*ssed off. We’re pathetic.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: TRon on Thursday 2 August 2018, 07:28:59 pm
Apparently they want £25m for Rondon now. They surely won't get anywhere near that.

It's just tit-for-rat p*ss taking at this point. They probably want shot of Rondon, but we are low balling with the offers and now they are ramping the price right up in response. No release clause in effect now so the new price is a massive 'f*** you' to our crack negotiators. They probably figured we were just wasting their time anyway.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: taxfree on Thursday 2 August 2018, 07:41:31 pm
Apparently they want £25m for Rondon now. They surely won't get anywhere near that.

:lol: As if they'll get more now, when nobody wanted him for the price of the clause.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Collage on Thursday 2 August 2018, 08:32:11 pm
He’s too old, and not Asian, so Ashley won’t sanction this.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: HTT on Thursday 2 August 2018, 10:06:12 pm
This one won’t happen.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Chris_R on Thursday 2 August 2018, 10:15:55 pm
Apparently they want £25m for Rondon now. They surely won't get anywhere near that.

Maybe they just genuinely don't want to sell him?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: LionOfGosforth on Thursday 2 August 2018, 10:25:37 pm
This one won’t happen.

(https://www.abc.es/Media/201307/02/wikimedia-retrato-nostradamus--644x362.jpg)
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:38:11 am
Back on?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6025277/Newcastle-West-Brom-revive-talks-loan-swap-strikers-Salomon-Rondon-Dwight-Gayle.html
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: covmag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:40:37 am
Gayle has said he doesn't want to go, how can it be back on?
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:56:00 am
If Rafa makes it clear he doesn’t see him as a regular starter he might cut his losses.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:21:03 am
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: covmag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:24:21 am
If Rafa makes it clear he doesn’t see him as a regular starter he might cut his losses.

he also knows he will start a few if he just sits tight, we'd have no choice.

what a situation
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:49:08 am
Be interesting if he's involved for WBA.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:54:40 am
Think this’ll happen in the end. Probably some sort of agreement where we’ll pay a percentage of Gayle’s wage for the season.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Rich on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:56:02 am
:thup:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: a random player who doesn't even play for us any more on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:04:23 am
We need him and a left back as a bare minimum.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:29:43 am
And a CB. We can’t go until January with just 3. Even someone like Fernández on loan.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stottie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:36:59 am
Couldn't we give West Brom some money and Joselu? 
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: George Bailey on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:49:28 am
Couldn't we give West Brom some money and Joselu? 

Sadly I think they may have actually seen him play.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 4 August 2018, 11:01:26 am
And a CB. We can’t go until January with just 3. Even someone like Fernández on loan.
We can't BUT they'll think Dummett and Yarney will be sufficient cover. With Manquillo and Sterry covering the full back positions.

It's pathetic and awful BUT no doubt Ashley/Charnley will look at it from a numbers point of view.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Dinho lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 11:41:34 am
I don't think Gayle cares about playing in the top flight as he knows he's not quite up to it and he's obviously enjoyed playing in the lower divisions in the past. Now that's he's approaching the latter of his career, he'd probably like to move to the Championship but money is now more important than ever. (Which I don't blame him for.)

I don't think this deal is far off with a little bit of compromise from each side.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: covmag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 11:58:36 am
I don't think Gayle cares about playing in the top flight as he knows he's not quite up to it and he's obviously enjoyed playing in the lower divisions in the past. Now that's he's approaching the latter of his career, he'd probably like to move to the Championship but money is now more important than ever. (Which I don't blame him for.)

I don't think this deal is far off with a little bit of compromise from each side.


compromise  :lol:
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stottie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 12:14:34 pm
Saw this on Statsbomb in their Watford preview. They put the data up to praise Andre Gray, who scored one fewer than Gayle.

(https://i1.wp.com/statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/xgxa-non-top-6.png?w=600&ssl=1)

The above could be a reflection on our ability to create chances for the striker in our system in the second half of the season, and not so dependent on Gayle himself. Anyway, I would not have expected him to be so high in a list like this. Vardy is an amazing finisher, hence way more goals than the others.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 4 August 2018, 02:03:34 pm
Not in the squad.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 4 August 2018, 02:13:37 pm
Gayle should have scored a load more, unfortunately expected goals didn’t take into account his finishing.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 4 August 2018, 02:22:00 pm
He missed a shitload during the last 8 games or so.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Stottie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 02:47:39 pm
Yeah, he should have hit double figures and it wasn't due to wonder saves. He doesn't strike it like he used to and his heading is crap.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 02:59:11 pm
"Close to a deal" according to BBC
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: Big Geordie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 02:59:22 pm
Radio Newcastle - Rondon 'close' to be joining Newcastle. Deal could be concluded over the weekend.
Title: Re: Salomón Rondón
Post by: STM on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:01:01 pm
I'm breathless with excitement. Our new number 9.
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:04:30 pm
Meh, he will improve us tbh.
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:04:41 pm
I'm breathless with excitement. Our new number 9.
He'll be good, man
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:05:31 pm
Nice. We need his power and aggression upfront. Makes us a lot more intimidating.

The Gladiator cometh.
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:07:25 pm
Feels like I'm the only one excited by this signing :lol:  Look forward to him proving the majority of our fan base (it seems) wrong
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:08:19 pm
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: Dave on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:09:03 pm
A swap for Gayle is okay I guess.

Allows us to spend the Mitrovic mon.. oh f*** it.
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: toon25 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:12:22 pm
Good.

Sadly Gayle isn’t consistent enough at this level.
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: Dave on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:17:51 pm
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: ElDiablo on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:21:12 pm
Hell yeah.
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: thomas on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:22:02 pm
Ryder would show up late to his own funeral
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:27:29 pm
Feels like I'm the only one excited by this signing :lol:  Look forward to him proving the majority of our fan base (it seems) wrong

You will be waiting a long time then
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: Dave on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:28:02 pm
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: Rocker on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:31:27 pm

f***ing hell.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: OCK on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:32:53 pm
I'm struggling to get excited about this. I can't even explain it. It just seems like... all the criticism of Mitro and then we sign Rondon?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Menace on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:33:49 pm
I've got a £50 bet with my mate that Mitro will score twice the goals Rondon does.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:33:59 pm
Why would he be on the pitch simply cause he's getting the heli? :lol:  Needs a medical and to sign the contract first
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:34:26 pm

f***ing hell.
Ashley will dock his wages for that.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Infinitely Content on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:35:10 pm
I'm struggling to get excited about this. I can't even explain it. It just seems like... all the criticism of Mitro and then we sign Rondon?

Different players. The manager fancies working with one and not the other. That should be enough in itself.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:35:10 pm
Why would he be on the pitch simply cause he's getting the heli? [emoji38]  Needs a medical and to sign the contract first
Also it's hardly the kind of signing you get to parade via a helicopter.

He improves us BUT he's not that great
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Smal on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:35:14 pm
I'd be fine if we were signing a proven goalscorer and Rondon was coming in as a squad member/Joselu replacement, but he's clearly coming in as first choice.

Never got into double figures in a PL season. Relegated last year as WBA's main striker. Not great...
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: chopey on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:41:57 pm
I've got a £50 bet with my mate that Mitro will score twice the goals Rondon does.

1 more goal would have been more sensible, even then I think you'll lose.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: LRD on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:44:54 pm
First (potential) signing by helicopter?

Would most likely charge him for the ride. :yao:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:45:56 pm
I'd be fine if we were signing a proven goalscorer and Rondon was coming in as a squad member/Joselu replacement, but he's clearly coming in as first choice.

Never got into double figures in a PL season. Relegated last year as WBA's main striker. Not great...
His managers have been Pulis, Megson and Pardew, what do you expect :lol:

He's scored goals in the Champions League and Europa League with Kazan and Zenit. Strong, will 'bully' defenders (something we havent had)
Title: Re: BBC: Salomón Rondón “close to deal”
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:47:23 pm
Ryder would show up late to his own funeral
Probably come out of the coffin and say reports of his death are premature.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:48:35 pm
Why would he be on the pitch simply cause he's getting the heli? :lol:  Needs a medical and to sign the contract first
Probably sign subject to a medical so he can paraded on the pitch to try and appease fans.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:53:04 pm
Scenes when the PA tells fans to stay at FT as a special guest is arriving, then Ashley steps out of the heli on the pitch
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:54:01 pm
I'm struggling to get excited about this. I can't even explain it. It just seems like... all the criticism of Mitro and then we sign Rondon?

Different players. The manager fancies working with one and not the other. That should be enough in itself.

He would be rather working with one but the whole issue is he would actually prefer to be working with neither thanks to fat c*** not getting his top targets in
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:55:02 pm
Why would he be on the pitch simply cause he's getting the heli? :lol:  Needs a medical and to sign the contract first
Probably sign subject to a medical so he can paraded on the pitch to try and appease fans.

Morons will lap it up as well
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: nufcjb on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:55:47 pm
Why the f*** do we need to pick him up by helicopter? its not even deadline day ffs
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Chicane on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:55:52 pm
Scenes when the PA tells fans to stay at FT as a special guest is arriving, then Ashley steps out of the heli on the pitch

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohc0YFJXBcj99eDf2/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: nufc4eva on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:56:22 pm
I'd be fine if we were signing a proven goalscorer and Rondon was coming in as a squad member/Joselu replacement, but he's clearly coming in as first choice.

Never got into double figures in a PL season. Relegated last year as WBA's main striker. Not great...

Is he that bad or is some of it down to how little chances West Bromwich created ? They haven't had good managers or teams really. Known more for defensive lump the ball than creating chances. We create a lot of chances and Gayle seems to panic more at this level/ first touch terrible
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:57:23 pm
Scenes when the PA tells fans to stay at FT as a special guest is arriving, then Ashley steps out of the heli on the pitch

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohc0YFJXBcj99eDf2/giphy.gif)
:lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Numbers on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:57:25 pm
Why the f*** do we need to pick him up by helicopter? its not even deadline day ffs
No expense spared. Backing Rafa to the hilt marra.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:58:36 pm
Why the f*** do we need to pick him up by helicopter? its not even deadline day ffs
can't trust the trains these days man
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Shelvey's Hair on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:58:43 pm
I like Rondon.. think he will do well for us.

We're slowly getting there, still need a few more in like.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:58:46 pm
What are the chances this will have ended up costing us more money after pissing about so long, plus the loss of trust between club and manager/fans. Pure arseholes.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Dave on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:01:22 pm
What are the chances this will have ended up costing us more money after pissing about so long, plus the loss of trust between club and manager/fans. Pure arseholes.

Saved on wages marra. All-important if we're not to do a, er, whichever club can't outspend us.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: gdm on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:01:25 pm
The on off nature of this has made me more excited now as I thought we’d get nobody in. Hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:01:31 pm
For anyone thinking a helicopter will land on the pitch 'Keegan' style, forget it. It's 2018 and no way would it be allowed due to health and safety.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:01:52 pm
Scenes when the PA tells fans to stay at FT as a special guest is arriving, then Ashley steps out of the heli on the pitch

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohc0YFJXBcj99eDf2/giphy.gif)
:lol:

...and fires Rafa in the centre circle. Yourrrrrrrre OUTTA HERE!

(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/082009/reverse-1251191958_naked_gun_leslie_nielsen.gif)

Thats Enrico Pallazzo!
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:02:16 pm
For anyone thinking a helicopter will land on the pitch 'Keegan' style, forget it. It 2018 and no way would it be allowed due to health and safety.
Liecester City do it all the time, even did it the other day.

He’d likely land at the helipad next to the arena and get escorted up in anyway.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:03:25 pm
If it does land in the centre circle that's pure wool over eyes on transfers, look lads we got a player Rafa wants, Bishop fingerprints all over it.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Disco on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:03:27 pm
For anyone thinking a helicopter will land on the pitch 'Keegan' style, forget it. It 2018 and no way would it be allowed due to health and safety.
Liecester City do it all the time, even did it the other day.

Truthster City more like.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:10:54 pm
Delighted with a helicopter if it crashes in the car park. Ashley only casualty.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:12:13 pm
I'm struggling to get excited about this. I can't even explain it. It just seems like... all the criticism of Mitro and then we sign Rondon?

Different players. The manager fancies working with one and not the other. That should be enough in itself.

Aye. The perception of him would be different (I.e. more positive) if it hadn’t taken so long to get him over the line.

Rafa understands that a 15-20 goal striker costs more than what Ashley is willing to pay. If Rondon’s able to open the game up for Ayoze, Kenedy, Ritchie, et al to score, while bagging 7-8 himself, that’s the next best thing, and what we weren’t getting from Mitro, Gayle, or Joselu last year.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Smal on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:28:17 pm
For anyone thinking a helicopter will land on the pitch 'Keegan' style, forget it. It 2018 and no way would it be allowed due to health and safety.
Liecester City

https://youtu.be/6Y5xCoKunY8
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: The Little Waster on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:29:57 pm
How does it get announced ?
' Aaaannnnd  , here he is ...all the way from the midlands ...on a season long loan iittttssss Salomon "
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:31:34 pm
How does it get announced ?
' Aaaannnnd  , here he is ...all the way from the midlands ...on a season long loan iittttssss Salomon "

Cheers mike
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ads on Saturday 4 August 2018, 04:57:30 pm
Could have done a lot worse, should have done a lot better...
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:00:00 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: TBG on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:02:00 pm
Could have done a lot worse, should have done a lot better...

We talking about women here or Rondon?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:02:58 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.

I would imagine pretty far not Joselu far but getting towards that way
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:03:56 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.
2nd after Plea?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:04:49 pm
It’s going to be Joselu on Saturday with him sub isn’t it?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:05:56 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.
He was mentioned whilst the Pléa stuff was just starting. Would guess he's not first choice but he's not 4th or 5th; Joselu levels essentially.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:07:48 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.
2nd after Plea?

No chance a striker with his goal scoring record would not be 2nd choice. At the end of the day there is a reason why Rafa has not and will not sign another contract and this signing if it happens fully illustrates why.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:11:28 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.
2nd after Plea?

No chance a striker with his goal scoring record would not be 2nd choice. At the end of the day there is a reason why Rafa has not and will not sign another contract and this signing if it happens fully illustrates why.
He will have identified Rondon as an option, someone he would be keen to sign, I am pretty certain of that. Doubt his refusal to sign a contract was anything to do with specific players. More operating principles and guaranteed investment (players and facilities).
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:16:08 pm
Any rumours of the fee?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:16:52 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.
2nd after Plea?

No chance a striker with his goal scoring record would not be 2nd choice. At the end of the day there is a reason why Rafa has not and will not sign another contract and this signing if it happens fully illustrates why.
He will have identified Rondon as an option, someone he would be keen to sign, I am pretty certain of that. Doubt his refusal to sign a contract was anything to do with specific players. More operating principles and guaranteed invenstment (players and facilities).

What like Joselu stop kidding yourself man. This player would have been nowhere near his actual first choices. Unfortunately he realises that he will have no chance of getting his top targets so he has to come up with other names he thinks the club will be able to sign. Because of this he is constantly and rightly so questioning the ambition and for this will be the reason he walks away come next summer if not sooner
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Paulie Walnuts on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:19:35 pm
Shame we can’t keep Gayle and toss the Jos.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Sean on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:21:16 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.
2nd after Plea?

No chance a striker with his goal scoring record would not be 2nd choice. At the end of the day there is a reason why Rafa has not and will not sign another contract and this signing if it happens fully illustrates why.
He will have identified Rondon as an option, someone he would be keen to sign, I am pretty certain of that. Doubt his refusal to sign a contract was anything to do with specific players. More operating principles and guaranteed invenstment (players and facilities).

What like Joselu stop kidding yourself man. This player would have been nowhere near his actual first choices. Unfortunately he realises that he will have no chance of getting his top targets so he has to come up with other names he thinks the club will be able to sign. Because of this he is constantly and rightly so questioning the ambition and for this will be the reason he walks away come next summer if not sooner

Exactly, as if Rafa really wants Rondon if he had a proper choice. He's constrained by the fact we won't pay actual money or wages so has to look for the best of the worst. Even then he's probably 10th/12th on a 'realistic' list  :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:22:03 pm
I am not kidding myself. You are making a point that signing Rondon will illustrate why he walks away. Managers don’t leave because of securing the signing of a player you think will improve their squad, even if not first choice. He’ll leave because of lack of assurances re the other more general issues. Stop being a ranting obnoxious t*** and think it through.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:22:21 pm
Could be a decent signing. A total farce that it's taken this long, and will be even more ridiculous if it's cost us Gayle as well. Christ knows if we've actually carried out the necessary improvements to this area of the pitch.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Disco on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:23:41 pm
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Dave on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:24:28 pm

That's okay, all things considered.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Dinho lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:24:54 pm

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bowie-sturgeon.gif)
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: HongKongMag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:27:32 pm
So it's a loan deal?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:27:44 pm

That's okay, all things considered.

We've swapped our best striker for one who'll probably be a bit better. It's barely acceptable given the finances available.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Dinho lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:31:14 pm
Missed the loan part. :hmm:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: 1964 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:31:58 pm

That's okay, all things considered.

We've swapped our best striker for one who'll probably be a bit better. It's barely acceptable given the finances available.

He's more of a Mitro replacement, Muto is probably more of a Gayle replacement so as Mitro didn't play last year I think we are stronger
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:32:26 pm
Shame we can’t keep Gayle and toss the Jos.
Probably an unpopular opinion like, but I'd rather keep Joselu for his hold up play.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:33:19 pm
Shame we can’t keep Gayle and toss the Jos.
Probably an unpopular opinion like, but I'd rather keep Joselu for his hold up play.

I'd have dumped both and completely revamped our striker options but that's revolutionary for the monkeys in charge.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: SUPERTOON on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:34:11 pm

That's okay, all things considered.

Sounds like a good deal and gives us all of the mitro money to spend still. Obviously we won’t like.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Dinho lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:34:40 pm
Mitro money. :yao:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: loki679 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:35:21 pm
He's out of contract next summer so if he does well he'll probably end up at another club where he'll get much better wages.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:35:21 pm
Shame we can’t keep Gayle and toss the Jos.
Probably an unpopular opinion like, but I'd rather keep Joselu for his hold up play.
Makes sense to me. In an ideal world sensibly run club Rondon would be the first, and worst, of two strikers to replace Mitro and Gayle.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:35:43 pm
We'll need a forward next year and be in the same position. The profit is mounting up now like.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:36:13 pm
Shame we can’t keep Gayle and toss the Jos.
Probably an unpopular opinion like, but I'd rather keep Joselu for his hold up play.

Joselu might have a better first touch but Gayle held the line (in a different sort of way) far better in the second half of last season imo. Joselu is an alright sub for 15 minutes but isn't capable of having an influence when starting.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:36:44 pm
Just imagine how beautiful this summer could have been with that takeover...
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:39:12 pm
It’s a mistake to get rid of Gayle, but I assume Rafa has no choice.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: 54 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:41:09 pm
Loan swap, we are sooooo cheap man its unreal. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: SUPERTOON on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:46:40 pm
It’s a mistake to get rid of Gayle, but I assume Rafa has no choice.

Only on loan so will be back for our championship campaign under Pards next season.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Ayerso on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:46:41 pm
So if he does well next summer we try and sign Rondon on a free and get Gayle back from his loan
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:50:14 pm
I am not kidding myself. You are making a point that signing Rondon will illustrate why he walks away. Managers don’t leave because of securing the signing of a player you think will improve their squad, even if not first choice. He’ll leave because of lack of assurances re the other more general issues. Stop being a ranting obnoxious t*** and think it through.

Utter s****
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Disco on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:51:17 pm
Still reckon the loan thing will some sort of creative accounting and he’ll be joining permanently.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Elliottman on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:52:08 pm
Saving our money for Insigne innit ‘
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: geordiedean on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:53:39 pm
Mitro money. :yao:

Sell striker for 27m loan new one for 2m

Guess who wins again
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:54:45 pm
It’s a mistake to get rid of Gayle, but I assume Rafa has no choice.

Not sure it is, he's not shown a lot in the Prem for us, that and he seems to lack that turn of pace he had, could be his hamstrings which have given him the lack of confidence he's had.

We get a better striker imo, and he gets the chance to regain his confidence in a easy league for a striker.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:56:43 pm
So we’re  replacing a very average premiership striker with another very average premiership striker, paying 2 million on top of that in a loan deal and in all probability paying some of Gayle’s wages if not even most for the privilege- you just couldn’t make it up.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 4 August 2018, 05:58:35 pm
I am not kidding myself. You are making a point that signing Rondon will illustrate why he walks away. Managers don’t leave because of securing the signing of a player you think will improve their squad, even if not first choice. He’ll leave because of lack of assurances re the other more general issues. Stop being a ranting obnoxious t*** and think it through.

Utter s****
You can’t help yourself can you? Which bit do you do vehemently disagree with? I mean, apart from you being obnoxious. Or am I missing the point. You’re not really interested in the topic, you just like taking your head for a s*** in here? Do help me ‘unkid’ myself. All ears...
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Big Geordie on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:00:22 pm
Beggars can't be choosers. :( Where is all of the TV cash going? (once again!)
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: McCormick on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:06:02 pm
Best Newcastle striker since Remy.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Conjo on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:08:08 pm
Are people dissapointed that we didn't pay more than we had to in order to get Rondon? :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:09:53 pm
Beggars can't be choosers. :( Where is all of the TV cash going? (once again!)

Outrageous. 20m in profit even after Rondon. It's not even sell to buy which would have been bad enough. We have low expectations and are easily pleased in relation to the size of the club. I'm sure if we got in 40m and spent 60m most people would be happy with a 20m net spend even though it would still be less than most clubs yet we can't even get near that.

Pathetic
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:09:59 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/lee_ryder/status/1025789978452942848
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: SuperFlat on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:11:14 pm
It’s a body in, and a slight improvement over what we have. I’ll take that at this point.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:11:38 pm
I am not kidding myself. You are making a point that signing Rondon will illustrate why he walks away. Managers don’t leave because of securing the signing of a player you think will improve their squad, even if not first choice. He’ll leave because of lack of assurances re the other more general issues. Stop being a ranting obnoxious t*** and think it through.

Utter s****
You can’t help yourself can you? Which bit do you do vehemently disagree with? I mean, apart from you being obnoxious. Or am I missing the point. You’re not really interested in the topic, you just like taking your head for a s*** in here? Do help me ‘unkid’ myself. All ears...

The fundamental reason that he will be away is because of the fact that the club is not signing his preferred targets to allow him to progress the club. He has constantly mentioned about the lack of his targets being brought in by a combination of not interested in paying the fees, offering laughable amounts or just leaving it too late after he has personally completed a lot of spadework on to set the deal up. Ultimately he is left with no alternative but to bring in players in who are not anywhere near his first choice like Joselu, Rondon etc As such he cannot progress the club and specifically the team to the level he wants. This has been the case for three successive windows and as such is the reason he will not sign his contract and will walk next summer. If you can’t see that then I can’t help you
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:13:52 pm
Are people dissapointed that we didn't pay more than we had to in order to get Rondon? :lol:

I’m disappointed that he is signing at all and not Rafas preferred targets. The way it has been done just shows the mockery of how the club operates
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: covmag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:15:05 pm
well this seals Rafas fate.

all this try before you buy tells me they don't want him here(Rafa) , these loans are p*ss farting around in football terms, they aren't our players ffs.

i'm at a loss with this club  :undecided: 
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Benwell Lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:17:34 pm
Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Pilko on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:20:57 pm
Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

After watching the useless bug eyed c*** meander around today, I'd probably pick Mark Ronson ahead of him let alone Rondon.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:21:06 pm
Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.
Aye.. :lol:

People looking at his goal record (in a s**** team with s**** managers) only.  There's a reason Rafa wants him
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Benwell Lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:21:22 pm
What I've seen of Rondon has been quite positive.
I also liked Mitrovic but as Rafa quite obviously didn't Rondon and Matu for Gayle and Mitro must be an improvement in our options.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:22:58 pm
Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:25:17 pm
Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this
How do you know?

He wouldn't be on the list if he didnt bring something different and valuable to the side in Rafa's opinion.. He doesn't want him just for a laugh you know
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:26:42 pm
I actually think Rondon was quite high up on Rafa's list, Joselu certainly not, he was brought in to do a bit of a job, squad filler.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:27:36 pm
Loan swap?

Cheers Mike. Thanks very much. What would we do without you?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Benwell Lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:27:56 pm
Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

Probably because it's a distorted argument.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Benwell Lad on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:35:56 pm
I actually think Rondon was quite high up on Rafa's list, Joselu certainly not, he was brought in to do a bit of a job, squad filler.

I'd go as far as to say that the comments Rafa made post-Braga may have been very much referring to Rondon and he was telling them "you'd better get this one done".
Rafa doesn't give much away regarding individuals but his reaction to this one will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:38:40 pm
I actually think Rondon was quite high up on Rafa's list, Joselu certainly not, he was brought in to do a bit of a job, squad filler.

I'd go as far as to say that the comments Rafa made post-Braga may have been very much referring to Rondon and he was telling them "you'd better get this one done".
Rafa doesn't give much away regarding individuals but his reaction to this one will be interesting to see.

Reckon you're right, also reckon Rondon is going to surprise a few as well, i think he's decent. Well after the first 6 games anyhoo  :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: The Prophet on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:43:41 pm
Always wanted us to sign Rondon when he was at Malaga, handy player. Rafa seems to want a physical forward who can hold the ball up.

I get that Ashley has given us every right to be as cynical as f***, but the negativity about this signing in isolation seems unwarranted.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:46:39 pm
So it's a loan swap? Again seems massively not in our favour, f***ing idiots.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Darth Crooks on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:47:24 pm
It’s a case of the means not justifying the ends tbh
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Infinitely Content on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:47:56 pm
Always wanted us to sign Rondon when he was at Malaga, handy player. Rafa seems to want a physical forward who can hold the ball up.

I get that Ashley has given us every right to be as cynical as f***, but the negativity about this signing in isolation seems unwarranted.

:thup:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Si on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:48:29 pm
Hypothetical question. Do we think Mike would crash the helicopter to avoid the deal? [emoji38]
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:52:44 pm
So many on here will choke on crow should we get this guy in.

Going to be great for us. Really important signing.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: taxfree on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:55:05 pm

Ah, so this is where the Armstrong money went.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Si on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:57:03 pm
So many on here will choke on crow should we get this guy in.

Going to be great for us. Really important signing.
:thup:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:58:36 pm
So many on here will choke on crow should we get this guy in.

Going to be great for us. Really important signing.

He's a good forward yes, I think most people are rightly underwhelmed as what's the point as we have no interest in building a good team anyhow
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:58:45 pm
Hypothetical question. Do we think Mike would crash the helicopter to avoid the deal? [emoji38]
No, he's not the pilot
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Saturday 4 August 2018, 06:59:55 pm

Ah, so this is where the Armstrong money went.

20 odd million in profit this window and had to wait till we sold a 4th choice striker for 2m to get a loan over the line  :mike:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:00:50 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: cp40 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:01:01 pm
this helicopter is notorious for being unable to get over the line,. so don't count your chickens.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: McCormick on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:02:29 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:

:lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Greg on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:03:23 pm
(https://media.giphy.com/media/nbxv42LYmPFq8/giphy.gif)

Just got to hope Ashley fancied a go at driving his chopper this afternoon.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: geordie_b on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:15:16 pm
So it's a loan swap? Again seems massively not in our favour, f***ing idiots.

Ignoring the fact that we arent spending significant money again, why is this specific deal not in our favour?

We get a player more suited for our system for £2m, at the end of the year Rondon is a free agent and can sign for free, in addition Gayle comes back after a confidence building season scoring lots of goals.

Given the current stalemate between manager and owner this seems a great deal
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:17:14 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:
I wouldn't believe a word that fat-faced f***er says mind.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:19:14 pm
So many on here will choke on crow should we get this guy in.

Going to be great for us. Really important signing.
I think he'll do well BUT won't be great, he's nee Demba
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:20:09 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:
I wouldn't believe a word that fat-faced f***er says mind.

Maybe, but why would he make that particular line up?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:20:13 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:
I wouldn't believe a word that fat-faced f***er says mind.
Plus he might be his first choice under the Ashley constraints, if we were ran properly I suspect he'd want better
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Dave on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:21:33 pm

Ah, so this is where the Armstrong money went.

You jest, but it's probably true. From a wages perspective if nothing else.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:23:04 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:
I wouldn't believe a word that fat-faced f***er says mind.

Maybe, but why would he make that particular line up?
To make it look like Charnley/Ashley have delivered? To make Rafa seem ungrateful should he walk away at the end of the season?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:24:53 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:
I wouldn't believe a word that fat-faced f***er says mind.

Maybe, but why would he make that particular line up?
To make it look like Charnley/Ashley have delivered? To make Rafa seem ungrateful should he walk away at the end of the season?
meh

he's a Rafa type player imo. Course he'd want better with more money but that's a given
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: NobbyOhNobby on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:26:34 pm
Has a loan signing ever been our number 9 before?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:27:46 pm


Comparing Rondon with Joselu is just utter f***ing nonsense.

Neither are his preferred targets that’s the point why do people not see this

:yao:
I wouldn't believe a word that fat-faced f***er says mind.

Maybe, but why would he make that particular line up?
To make it look like Charnley/Ashley have delivered? To make Rafa seem ungrateful should he walk away at the end of the season?
meh

he's a Rafa type player imo. Course he'd want better with more money but that's a given
I can't say I've seen much of Rondon but from what I've heard I think he'll be a good fit. He's not an inspiring signing though and I can't imagine he'd be anywhere near our radar (certainly not first choice anyway) if Rafa had a proper PL club budget.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:29:19 pm
We really needed this signing, could not have started the season with any of Joselu or Gayle upfront, good stuff.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:33:38 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:34:12 pm
Has a loan signing ever been our number 9 before?
Googled it and info is a bit limited BUT it seems like some fella called Ian Baird wore number 9 and we had him on loan, he played 5 gamss
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:38:59 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:42:45 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.

Rafa has emphasised wanting prem experience as a priority if he can get it, so it kind of makes sense.

How can you be so sure it's a lie. Think there's likely some truth in it.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Elliottman on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:45:29 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.

Rafa has emphasised wanting prem experience as a priority if he can get it, so it kind of makes sense.

How can you be so sure it's a lie. Think there's likely some truth in it.

You really think if Rafa had his way rondon would be his first choice? Christ.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he will do a alright for us actually, buts let’s not kid ourselves and think this is some sort of coup. He’s the best Rafa could get with our pathetic budget in place.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:47:25 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.

Rafa has emphasised wanting prem experience as a priority if he can get it, so it kind of makes sense.

How can you be so sure it's a lie. Think there's likely some truth in it.

You really think if Rafa had his way rondon would be his first choice? Christ.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he will do a alright for us actually, buts let’s not kid ourselves and think this is some sort of coup. He’s the best Rafa could get with our pathetic budget in place.

so.. first choice
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:49:54 pm
So it's a loan swap? Again seems massively not in our favour, f***ing idiots.

Ignoring the fact that we arent spending significant money again, why is this specific deal not in our favour?

We get a player more suited for our system for £2m, at the end of the year Rondon is a free agent and can sign for free, in addition Gayle comes back after a confidence building season scoring lots of goals.

Given the current stalemate between manager and owner this seems a great deal
My understanding previously was that it would only be a loan on the understanding Rondon extended his contact a year. If that is still the case imo it's a poor deal for us as WBA won't want Gayle if they go up and we'd still have to pay for Rondon if we wanted to keep him. That could have changed now, granted.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:52:05 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.

Rafa has emphasised wanting prem experience as a priority if he can get it, so it kind of makes sense.

How can you be so sure it's a lie. Think there's likely some truth in it.

Aye right 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Dr Venkman on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:52:27 pm
I wonder how far down Rafa's list he was.

Isn't it just Carr's old list?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: FinnMag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:53:22 pm
Loan deal with championship club. Wtf? Is Ashleys SD near the bankruptcy or where all the money is going?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: Elliottman on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:56:46 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.

Rafa has emphasised wanting prem experience as a priority if he can get it, so it kind of makes sense.

How can you be so sure it's a lie. Think there's likely some truth in it.

You really think if Rafa had his way rondon would be his first choice? Christ.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he will do a alright for us actually, buts let’s not kid ourselves and think this is some sort of coup. He’s the best Rafa could get with our pathetic budget in place.

so.. first choice

Was Joselu first choice last summer?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: thomas on Saturday 4 August 2018, 07:59:02 pm
seriously? a loan? what stupid ass universe am i in
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:02:48 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.

Rafa has emphasised wanting prem experience as a priority if he can get it, so it kind of makes sense.

How can you be so sure it's a lie. Think there's likely some truth in it.

You really think if Rafa had his way rondon would be his first choice? Christ.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he will do a alright for us actually, buts let’s not kid ourselves and think this is some sort of coup. He’s the best Rafa could get with our pathetic budget in place.

so.. first choice

Was Joselu first choice last summer?

Nope. Tammy Abraham was. Rafa told us this himself.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón deal close; reportedly on his way up in helicopter
Post by: midds on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:09:31 pm
Got absolutely no axe to grind with Rondón, think he’s decent and he’ll definitely improve the team. He’s got good attributes and I think we’ll be far more effective with him leading the line.

That said the lengths we’ve had to go to to get him are embarrassing. Looking down the back of the sofa to pay stupidly low fees, selling players to buy others, consistently lowballing every single club for every single player. It’s humiliating. Rondón is a good buy but I’ve never been more disillusioned and demoralised with the way we’re being lead, it’s tragic and utterly pitiful.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:15:46 pm
Got absolutely no axe to grind with Rondón, think he’s decent and he’ll definitely improve the team. He’s got good attributes and I think we’ll be far more effective with him leading the line.

That said the lengths we’ve had to go to to get him are embarrassing. Looking down the back of the sofa to pay stupidly low fees, selling players to buy others, consistently lowballing every single club for every single player. It’s humiliating. Rondón is a good buy but I’ve never been more disillusioned and demoralised with the way we’re being lead, it’s tragic and utterly pitiful.

It's just how Mike Ashley's mind works. He always wants to get the cheapest deal possible. No matter what. And so everything takes ages and is so drawn out.

Don't know if Rafa can ever accept it. He is literally the complete opposite. Wants things done early so he can be well prepared.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: manorpark on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:21:26 pm

BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D
Well known that he's on the Ashley/Bishop payroll man.

Rafa has emphasised wanting prem experience as a priority if he can get it, so it kind of makes sense.

How can you be so sure it's a lie. Think there's likely some truth in it.

You really think if Rafa had his way rondon would be his first choice? Christ.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he will do a alright for us actually, buts let’s not kid ourselves and think this is some sort of coup. He’s the best Rafa could get with our pathetic budget in place.

so.. first choice

Was Joselu first choice last summer?

I doubt if he was in the first 100, to be honest.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: juliogeordio on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:24:22 pm
Why wouldn't we loan him though if he has 9 months left on his contract, haven't we just saved 14.5 million (minus his signing on fee at the end of next season) ?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: chopey on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:28:37 pm
Why would West Brom agree to this deal ? seems like they are chucking money down the drain.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: covmag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:29:20 pm


so .......Arma gone, Gayle, gone on loan, Mitro gone.

just gonna throw this out there, what if Rondon get's a bad injury early on.........then what ?  :undecided: :undecided:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: chopey on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:31:53 pm


so .......Arma gone, Gayle, gone on loan, Mitro gone.

just gonna throw this out there, what if Rondon get's a bad injury early on.........then what ?  :undecided: :undecided:

 :coolsmiley: Shola :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Greg on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:32:19 pm


so .......Arma gone, Gayle, gone on loan, Mitro gone.

just gonna throw this out there, what if Rondon get's a bad injury early on.........then what ?  :undecided: :undecided:

Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: midds on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:32:29 pm


so .......Arma gone, Gayle, gone on loan, Mitro gone.

just gonna throw this out there, what if Rondon get's a bad injury early on.........then what ?  :undecided: :undecided:

Easy. Rotate Muto and Perez until we can loan someone else in January  :aww:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: GeordieT on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:33:20 pm
Why wouldn't we loan him though if he has 9 months left on his contract, haven't we just saved 14.5 million (minus his signing on fee at the end of next season) ?

It’s being reported they have an option to extend for twelve months.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: covmag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:33:45 pm

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:33:54 pm
Could say the same if anyone gets a bad injury early on. The only players next in line to step in from the bench are Elliot, darlow, sterry, manquillo, Clark, Hayden, ki, atsu, Murphy, Joselu.

That depth
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: James on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:34:15 pm
Loan swap :lol:

Can’t stoop any lower.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: covmag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:35:02 pm


so .......Arma gone, Gayle, gone on loan, Mitro gone.

just gonna throw this out there, what if Rondon get's a bad injury early on.........then what ?  :undecided: :undecided:

Easy. Rotate Muto and Perez until we can loan someone else in January  :aww:

brill  :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:37:33 pm
The football equivalent of a house swap.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:50:17 pm
Loan swap :lol:

Can’t stoop any lower.

I get what you're saying but this transfer makes more sense than any other, i mean he's out of contract at the end of the season. We loan and he's a success, we sign him for free. I don't see the problem doing the deal this way, for this one like.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:51:01 pm
Why would West Brom agree to this deal ? seems like they are chucking money down the drain.
they're getting Gayle, a Championship goal machine.  If he fires them to promotion like he did us, I'm sure they won't miss Rondon or whatever money they could have got
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:51:29 pm
If he’s in the last year of his deal, surely WBA would have been better selling him now?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:54:03 pm

Ah, so this is where the Armstrong money went.
[emoji38] This should be a conspiracy theory, it's that pathetic, but it'll be true.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: TheHoob on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:55:08 pm
Assuming there's more to it than just a loan, obligation to buy before his contract runs out or something else odd.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 4 August 2018, 08:56:01 pm



BOOM! Rafa's first choice!

Oh dear ... well that's goign to p*ss some people off  ;D

No, you're just being a mug. [emoji38]
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: chopey on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:07:52 pm
Loan swap deal.

Seriously man, how far have we fallen? Once a club enjoying European nights in Barcelona. Now, simply existing to advertise a goddamn italic Arial font cheap company.

Yip..... we exist to stay in the league to be an advertising placard for Sports Direct, tradition doesn't matter, youth development doesn't matter, winning or competing doesn't matter, its all about the cheap f***ing red and blue stickers that are plastered all over the stadium.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:10:11 pm
Rondon, Perez, Muto, joselu is a better set of options than Gayle, Perez, Joselu (might as well discount Mitro). I'd like to have kept Gayle and peddled the Jos, but meh.

Rondon will be important for us, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Tubestationatmidnight on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:11:04 pm
Rondon, Perez, Muto, joselu is a better set of options than Gayle, Perez, Joselu (might as well discount Mitro). I'd like to have kept Gayle and peddled the Jos, but meh.

Rondon will be important for us, I'm sure.

Don't forget to say thanks mike
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Gorilla on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:13:46 pm
I sort if fancied Slimani with a full preseason ahead of him. I trust Rafa though. Yeah he signs some dross but most of the time it works out. I just hope we get a couple more in but I am sure this will be our business. Our first 11 is ok but we are so f***ing thin as a squad.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Shearergol on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:15:17 pm
Who can I hate now Gayle is going?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Theregulars on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:17:51 pm
Ashley
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:18:04 pm
The rest of our squad is just as likeable/unlikeable, so take your pick.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: STM on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:22:39 pm
I think Rondon will be fine but it's what it says about the club in general that is concerning.

It's unambitious, it's cheap, its desperate, it's late, its everything that's wrong with the Mike Ashley era.

I won't hold it against the player though.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: thenige on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:24:55 pm
If the money saved with this loan swap is instead spent on boosting important areas of the squad (full backs absolutely) then it’s actually a really clever move.

If it is in fact us done for the window (which I’m almost certain it will be) it’s just the same old s***.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Mike on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:29:18 pm
:lol: Loan swap deals feels like the brokest s*** ever.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Sean on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:56:21 pm
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Disco on Saturday 4 August 2018, 09:59:01 pm
On the plus side we only need Ecuador and Bolivia to win the CONMEBOL cup.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 10:33:23 pm
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: jimmymag on Saturday 4 August 2018, 10:44:49 pm
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  [emoji38]
Slimani? [emoji3]
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 4 August 2018, 10:49:16 pm
I think Rondon will be fine but it's what it says about the club in general that is concerning.

It's unambitious, it's cheap, its desperate, it's late, its everything that's wrong with the Mike Ashley era.

I won't hold it against the player though.

You’re right in what you say although I have a different opinion on Rondón, but I think people are missing this. Rafa is p*ssed off and walking away next summer due to the fact that the club are not backing his plan to take the club forward in getting his top targets signed up. At the end of the day there is a reason he is coming out time and time again and not signing any contract because he is not being allowed to take the club forward in the way he wants to. People can argue all they like saying I think he can do a job amongst the other players brought in the last three windows but at the end of the day the manager is clearly not happy still.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 10:49:32 pm
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  [emoji38]
Slimani? [emoji3]

Yes, him. We had him on loan, not for long like but he was here  :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Raconteur on Saturday 4 August 2018, 10:52:53 pm
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  :lol:

This is why I don’t understand the criticism from a player contribution perspective. On any conceivable scale Gayle, Joselu and Mitrovic/Slimani is poorer than Rondon, Muto and Joselu. Objectively, our striking options have significantly improved.

Of course we wanted more - the people happy with our transfer business counts Ashley and paid lackeys only - but we’re in a better position than we were.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 4 August 2018, 11:00:14 pm
Monsieur Raconteur do not wast your time or energy ... they will all be hot and bothered about Rondon and Muto soon enough.

Then we will have the time of our lives bumping this thread and reminding them of their past transgressions.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 4 August 2018, 11:02:41 pm
If the money saved with this loan swap is instead spent on boosting important areas of the squad (full backs absolutely) then it’s actually a really clever move.

If it is in fact us done for the window (which I’m almost certain it will be) it’s just the same old s***.
There's nowt clever about it, we have the money to invest in all areas of the pitch if the intent was there to do it BUT it's clearly not.

Every move that we make is about saving money somewhere or doing things on the cheap, that's just how we operate, intelligence is not a factor and never will be whilst the oxygen thief remains our owner.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 4 August 2018, 11:24:03 pm
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  [emoji38]

This is why I don’t understand the criticism from a player contribution perspective. On any conceivable scale Gayle, Joselu and Mitrovic/Slimani is poorer than Rondon, Muto and Joselu. Objectively, our striking options have significantly improved.

Of course we wanted more - the people happy with our transfer business counts Ashley and paid lackeys only - but we’re in a better position than we were.
On any conceivable level? On the real actual ones ..
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Chris_R on Sunday 5 August 2018, 12:00:28 am
If the money saved with this loan swap is instead spent on boosting important areas of the squad (full backs absolutely) then it’s actually a really clever move.


To quote the Spartan Ephors:

If
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The Prophet on Sunday 5 August 2018, 12:08:43 am
I think most agree Rondon in isolation is a passable signing, but that in itself is the issue: he's handy, he's better than what we have, but if we were ambitious we'd be looking beyond him.

If we had ambition we'd have been trying to sign Kennedy permanently, we'd have looked for a quality attacking midfielder and decisive defensive upgrades.

I said earlier the signing in isolation is decent, but thinking about it it's impossible to divorce it from context. It's not just the signing itself, it's the means: scraping around last minute for a loan deal is just another day under the Ashley regime. He's sucked all the ambition and competative nature out of the club. It's an institute simply looking to exist to turn over a profit.

I'm quite happy with Rondon, but maybe that's the problem. My expectations are so low at this stage that I'm quite content with it, but is signing a striker simply because he's better than Gayle or Joselu acceptable?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 12:18:01 am
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  :lol:

This is why I don’t understand the criticism from a player contribution perspective. On any conceivable scale Gayle, Joselu and Mitrovic/Slimani is poorer than Rondon, Muto and Joselu. Objectively, our striking options have significantly improved.

Of course we wanted more - the people happy with our transfer business counts Ashley and paid lackeys only - but we’re in a better position than we were.

I also think we'll be better off, fwiw. I guess it's what Rafa would really want that makes it a bit 'meh'.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 5 August 2018, 12:31:04 am
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  :lol:

This is why I don’t understand the criticism from a player contribution perspective. On any conceivable scale Gayle, Joselu and Mitrovic/Slimani is poorer than Rondon, Muto and Joselu. Objectively, our striking options have significantly improved.

Of course we wanted more - the people happy with our transfer business counts Ashley and paid lackeys only - but we’re in a better position than we were.

I also think we'll be better off, fwiw. I guess it's what Rafa would really want that makes it a bit 'meh'.

It’s the constant annoying doublethink of being a NUFC fan now. Like having two brains, one that looks at what we’re doing in the circumstances and the other one looks at why we’re being held back so much by Ashley. It’s tiring :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 12:33:09 am
Still a striker down on the second half of last season no? That ambition.

Not really, we had Joselu, Gayle and Mitro up to the winter window. Then Joselu, Gayle and Slimani after it. Now we have Joselu, Muto and Rondon. As for a 10, still just Perez, same the whole of last season  :lol:

This is why I don’t understand the criticism from a player contribution perspective. On any conceivable scale Gayle, Joselu and Mitrovic/Slimani is poorer than Rondon, Muto and Joselu. Objectively, our striking options have significantly improved.

Of course we wanted more - the people happy with our transfer business counts Ashley and paid lackeys only - but we’re in a better position than we were.

I also think we'll be better off, fwiw. I guess it's what Rafa would really want that makes it a bit 'meh'.

It’s the constant annoying doublethink of being a NUFC fan now. Like having two brains, one that looks at what we’re doing in the circumstances and the other one looks at why we’re being held back so much by Ashley. It’s tiring :lol:

Spot on and tiring really does sum it up  :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Odear on Sunday 5 August 2018, 01:44:33 am
Gayle has been poor since his injury in the Championship, either he’s still not right or it’s just psychological. Can’t see it working out for him at West Brom.

We’re getting the better end of the deal most likely. Well unless Rondon has been well and truly Pardewed. We don’t really know what we’re getting..
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: BONTEMPI on Sunday 5 August 2018, 01:49:42 am
Panic station signing.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 5 August 2018, 02:15:37 am
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 5 August 2018, 02:24:10 am
While I'm not particularly keen on Rondon, nor do I really give a s**** what happens with our transfers as Rafa will be off, this loan deal seems way too favourable for us. Really struggle to see how West Brom are happy with it
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: LRD on Sunday 5 August 2018, 02:32:35 am
The issues with the initial collapse of the Gayle move to WBA was that they were unwilling to meet his wage demands and that they did not want an obligation to buy at the end of the loan. Now that we have probably covered some of his wages and they do not need to pay a loan fee, they are essentially getting a proven Championship scorer for one season, then rebuild or get back Rondon (talk of a one-year extension) if they get promoted.

We on the other hand save on some 14.5m and have to go through the same hunting for a new forward next season.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Teasy on Sunday 5 August 2018, 02:32:39 am
While I'm not particularly keen on Rondon, nor do I really give a s**** what happens with our transfers as Rafa will be off, this loan deal seems way too favourable for us. Really struggle to see how West Brom are happy with it

Because Rondon doesn't want to play for them in the Championship, while Gayle will and he's proven in that league.  Seems a good deal for both sides, though IMO we should have just bought him rather than loaning..
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 5 August 2018, 02:43:38 am
While I'm not particularly keen on Rondon, nor do I really give a s**** what happens with our transfers as Rafa will be off, this loan deal seems way too favourable for us. Really struggle to see how West Brom are happy with it

Because Rondon doesn't want to play for them in the Championship, while Gayle will and he's proven in that league.  Seems a good deal for both sides, though IMO we should have just bought him rather than loaning..
Aye, well, Rondon's contract is up next summer, so instead of getting £16.5m for him, they end up getting next to nowt.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 5 August 2018, 02:53:52 am
While I'm not particularly keen on Rondon, nor do I really give a s**** what happens with our transfers as Rafa will be off, this loan deal seems way too favourable for us. Really struggle to see how West Brom are happy with it

Because Rondon doesn't want to play for them in the Championship, while Gayle will and he's proven in that league.  Seems a good deal for both sides, though IMO we should have just bought him rather than loaning..
Aye, well, Rondon's contract is up next summer, so instead of getting £16.5m for him, they end up getting next to nowt.

Almost certain there will be some type of buy out clause inserted. They surely wouldn't just let us have him for 2m and get nothing later. I guess it depends how set he is on this move. Surely there are other clubs willing to buy him right now? Maybe having Gayle is enough with us covering some of his wage.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 5 August 2018, 03:01:30 am
While I'm not particularly keen on Rondon, nor do I really give a s**** what happens with our transfers as Rafa will be off, this loan deal seems way too favourable for us. Really struggle to see how West Brom are happy with it

Because Rondon doesn't want to play for them in the Championship, while Gayle will and he's proven in that league.  Seems a good deal for both sides, though IMO we should have just bought him rather than loaning..
Aye, well, Rondon's contract is up next summer, so instead of getting £16.5m for him, they end up getting next to nowt.

Almost certain there will be some type of buy out clause inserted. They surely wouldn't just let us have him for 2m and get nothing later. I guess it depends how set he is on this move. Surely there are other clubs willing to buy him right now? Maybe having Gayle is enough with us covering some of his wage.

Nobody else wants him tbf
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Stottie on Sunday 5 August 2018, 04:31:56 am
If he actually is who Rafa wants, then great. I can't trust anything coming out of the club anymore.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: David Icke - Son of God on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:53:44 am
He probably is Rafa's first choice of the players in the market we now shop in. If he had expectations of being given any serious cash to spend then we wouldn't be after Rondon.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:12:19 am
While I'm not particularly keen on Rondon, nor do I really give a s**** what happens with our transfers as Rafa will be off, this loan deal seems way too favourable for us. Really struggle to see how West Brom are happy with it

Because Rondon doesn't want to play for them in the Championship, while Gayle will and he's proven in that league.  Seems a good deal for both sides, though IMO we should have just bought him rather than loaning..
Aye, well, Rondon's contract is up next summer, so instead of getting £16.5m for him, they end up getting next to nowt.

Almost certain there will be some type of buy out clause inserted. They surely wouldn't just let us have him for 2m and get nothing later. I guess it depends how set he is on this move. Surely there are other clubs willing to buy him right now? Maybe having Gayle is enough with us covering some of his wage.
Again, it was said early on when the swap deal was talked about that they would agree to the loan if he signed a contract extension so they didn't lose him for nothing.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: chopey on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:28:29 am
Has the helicopter arrived yet ?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Milburn on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:09:37 am
Has the helicopter arrived yet ?

No, we are currently monitoring the price of helicopter fuel.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The Little Waster on Sunday 5 August 2018, 02:11:56 pm
Has the helicopter arrived yet ?

Not now a helicopter , they are negotiating him a bus ticket ...
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: LRD on Sunday 5 August 2018, 03:30:17 pm
What is certain is that Albion will still be able to sell Rondon after his proposed Magpies loan expires.

The Venezuelan, who was not in the squad for West Brom’s opening day defeat to Bolton, signed a four-year contract when he joined from Zenit St Petersburg in August 2015.

The deal included a year’s option in West Brom’s favour.

That means the Baggies would still be able to cash in on Rondon, especially if he thrives at James’ Park, rather than run the risk of him leaving as a free agent.


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/latest-newcastles-chase-salomon-rondon-14992740
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Hhtoon on Sunday 5 August 2018, 03:50:26 pm
Can't wait for Rafa to work his magic on Kenedy and Rondon,  tripling their value for their respective clubs.

Actually, it would make fatso and our transfer policy look pretty dumb.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: HawK on Sunday 5 August 2018, 04:44:10 pm
Helicopter must have went too high..
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 5 August 2018, 04:54:11 pm
Helicopter must have went too high..
Never took off tbf. Can't expect Ashley to pay for the gas. Isn't the helicopter enough? Fans of this club and their laughable high expectations.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: morpeth mag on Sunday 5 August 2018, 05:00:21 pm
It would be just our luck if the copter that fell out of the sky had our record signing on board father that the fat one.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 5 August 2018, 05:00:49 pm
Helicopter must have went too high..
Left the atmosphere.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: ZeRoE on Sunday 5 August 2018, 05:33:38 pm
Helicopter must have went too high..
Left the atmosphere.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/817/900/dd0.gif)
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: jackyboy on Sunday 5 August 2018, 05:39:22 pm
Taking the helicopter a bloody long time to get there
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: sbnufc on Sunday 5 August 2018, 05:41:57 pm
What is certain is that Albion will still be able to sell Rondon after his proposed Magpies loan expires.

The Venezuelan, who was not in the squad for West Brom’s opening day defeat to Bolton, signed a four-year contract when he joined from Zenit St Petersburg in August 2015.

The deal included a year’s option in West Brom’s favour.

That means the Baggies would still be able to cash in on Rondon, especially if he thrives at James’ Park, rather than run the risk of him leaving as a free agent.


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/latest-newcastles-chase-salomon-rondon-14992740

s**** deal for us then, what a surprise.  Watch him score 15+ goals for us then we'll be priced out of a move for him when we could have just got him for £16.5m now
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: sadnesstan on Sunday 5 August 2018, 05:54:27 pm
What is certain is that Albion will still be able to sell Rondon after his proposed Magpies loan expires.

The Venezuelan, who was not in the squad for West Brom’s opening day defeat to Bolton, signed a four-year contract when he joined from Zenit St Petersburg in August 2015.

The deal included a year’s option in West Brom’s favour.

That means the Baggies would still be able to cash in on Rondon, especially if he thrives at James’ Park, rather than run the risk of him leaving as a free agent.


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/latest-newcastles-chase-salomon-rondon-14992740

s**** deal for us then, what a surprise.  Watch him score 15+ goals for us then we'll be priced out of a move for him when we could have just got him for £16.5m now

Or WBA get promoted and decide they'd rather keep their Prem striker instead of the champ striker.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: mighty__mag on Sunday 5 August 2018, 05:59:14 pm
Rather we swapped Jay Rodriguez
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: sbnufc on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:26:05 pm
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: sbnufc on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:26:32 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj2h5e6W0AI66T5.jpg)
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:29:18 pm
Hilton?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:30:54 pm
Hilton?

Yes, that's what the sign in the window says,
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:32:22 pm
Hilton?

Yes, that's what the sign in the window says,
Aye, funny that doesn’t show up on a mobile screen in the sun.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The Little Waster on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:38:10 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj2h5e6W0AI66T5.jpg)

Which ones Rondon ? :  )
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: 1964 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:43:45 pm
Is John Parrot one of the other 3 signings
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:45:42 pm
Taking the helicopter a bloody long time to get there

Rondon is on board and it's probably a helicopter made in the 80's.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Si on Sunday 5 August 2018, 06:49:28 pm
Taking the helicopter a bloody long time to get there
We can't compete with sovereign state like Airwolf ffs.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 5 August 2018, 07:48:36 pm
?s=21
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: QuakesMag on Sunday 5 August 2018, 07:50:15 pm
Taking the helicopter a bloody long time to get there
We can't compete with sovereign state like Airwolf ffs.

:lol: Now I am going to have that god damn theme song in my head all day.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 5 August 2018, 07:50:29 pm
So who gets 9? Noticed they didn't give Muto a number as soon as he signed even though they did for Schar.


Just kidding, clearly Joselu will take it.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 07:56:44 pm
Taking the helicopter a bloody long time to get there
We can't compete with sovereign state like Airwolf ffs.

:lol: Now I am going to have that god damn theme song in my head all day.

Dar da da da dar da da da dar  :lol: same here.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Si on Sunday 5 August 2018, 07:59:20 pm
Taking the helicopter a bloody long time to get there
We can't compete with sovereign state like Airwolf ffs.

[emoji38] Now I am going to have that god damn theme song in my head all day.

Dar da da da dar da da da dar  [emoji38] same here.
[emoji38]
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: QuakesMag on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:00:54 pm
Taking the helicopter a bloody long time to get there
We can't compete with sovereign state like Airwolf ffs.

:lol: Now I am going to have that god damn theme song in my head all day.

Dar da da da dar da da da dar  :lol: same here.

Ernest Borgnine not at his imperious best.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:06:56 pm
By the River Tyne, Salomon
When we went down
Ye-eah we wept, when we could only sign Rondon
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The Little Waster on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:09:18 pm
By the River Tyne, Salomon
When we went down
Ye-eah we wept, when we could only sign Rondon

Signed him on a Sunday cos hes just on loan
Da doo Rondon da doo Rondon
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The Little Waster on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:12:38 pm
Anyone remember the Howard Gayle song ?
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: ToonArmy1892 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:20:33 pm
Ron on the tyne is all mine.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: shakey jake on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:21:54 pm
He looks well old
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: 1964 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:22:53 pm
Rondon’s calling to a far away town
Your city’s a shithole and you’ve just gone down
Rondon’s calling to the underworld
You’ve got rats in the cupboards and your players abuse girls
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:28:07 pm
Rafa needed signings, Charnely stood still
Da-do Ron-don-don
Da-do Ron-don
West Brom they wanted at least 16 mil
Da-do Ron-don-don
Da-do Ron-don
Yeah sixteen mil
Yeah, Lee Charnley stood still
But then we did a loan
Da-do Ron-don-don Da-do Ron-don
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The Little Waster on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:34:02 pm
By the River Tyne, Salomon
When we went down
Ye-eah we wept, when we could only sign Rondon

Signed him on a Sunday cos hes just on loan
Da doo Rondon da doo Rondon

Ashley didnt want him cos hes too fckin old
Da doo Rondon da doo Rondon
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:35:24 pm
Apologies little waster, didn't see that you'd already done the Crystals.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: The Little Waster on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:52:17 pm
Apologies little waster, didn't see that you'd already done the Crystals.

Lol yours was great
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Chicane on Sunday 5 August 2018, 08:55:31 pm
By the River Tyne, Salomon
When we went down
Ye-eah we wept, when we could only sign Rondon

 :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: TRon on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:01:09 pm
What is certain is that Albion will still be able to sell Rondon after his proposed Magpies loan expires.

The Venezuelan, who was not in the squad for West Brom’s opening day defeat to Bolton, signed a four-year contract when he joined from Zenit St Petersburg in August 2015.

The deal included a year’s option in West Brom’s favour.

That means the Baggies would still be able to cash in on Rondon, especially if he thrives at James’ Park, rather than run the risk of him leaving as a free agent.


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/latest-newcastles-chase-salomon-rondon-14992740

s**** deal for us then, what a surprise.  Watch him score 15+ goals for us then we'll be priced out of a move for him when we could have just got him for £16.5m now

He's going to be pushing 30 next season, I don't think they'll get any more than the £16m.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: TRon on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:01:54 pm
Rafa needed signings, Charnely stood still
Da-do Ron-don-don
Da-do Ron-don
West Brom they wanted at least 16 mil
Da-do Ron-don-don
Da-do Ron-don
Yeah sixteen mil
Yeah, Lee Charnley stood still
But then we did a loan
Da-do Ron-don-don Da-do Ron-don

It's good and slightly s*** at the same time. I love it.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:08:53 pm
Rondon Calling, surely!
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: 1964 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:11:48 pm
Rondon Calling, surely!

Errrr if I could just point you to my post about 10 up
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:12:26 pm
Rondon Calling, surely!

Muto's been singing that for years.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: thomas on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:24:08 pm
Rondon Calling, surely!

Muto's been singing that for years.
(https://i.imgur.com/krGPxK4.gif)
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: TRon on Sunday 5 August 2018, 09:32:55 pm
Rondon Calling, surely!

Muto's been singing that for years.

He needs to get a new sat nav then.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: LV on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:14:44 pm
Rondon Calling, surely!

Muto's been singing that for years.

:lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:27:09 pm
Rondon Calling, surely!

Muto's been singing that for years.

I can see our oaf of an owner now.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZLLV6w7.png)
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: thenige on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:31:22 pm
On FM Rondon’s preferred number is 23, so will be interesting to see if he takes that instead of Gayle’s 9.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: khay on Sunday 5 August 2018, 10:36:02 pm
Has Muto got a number yet? Was thinking he might grab 9.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: LRD on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:14:20 pm
On FM Rondon’s preferred number is 23, so will be interesting to see if he takes that instead of Gayle’s 9.

We don't just hand out numbers just because he prefers it though. He has to earn the legendary rights to it.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: loki679 on Sunday 5 August 2018, 11:40:05 pm
He can p*ss off, that's Shola's number.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: ToonArmy1892 on Monday 6 August 2018, 12:50:39 am
Rondon Calling, surely!

Muto's been singing that for years.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: cubaricho on Monday 6 August 2018, 03:47:11 am
On FM Rondon’s preferred number is 23, so will be interesting to see if he takes that instead of Gayle’s 9.

We don't just hand out numbers just because he prefers it though. He has to earn the legendary rights to it.

If only.
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: NobbyOhNobby on Monday 6 August 2018, 06:21:10 am
Wonder how he slept last night
Title: Re: Reports: Salomón Rondón/Dwight Gayle swap loan deal set to be announced
Post by: Hhtoon on Monday 6 August 2018, 06:33:04 am