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Title: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:11:51 pm
Going to be a few elections over the next few years, some worrying trends.  France, Holland, already Denmark, Hungary... Austria?  Might as well catch it all here and keep the Brexit s*** for the Brex-s***s thread.  STRICTLY NO BREXIT TALK.  BORED STIFF OF IT MATES.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/marine-le-pen-national-front-france-far-right-lebanon-not-found-a7595131.html

Love a Fisk takedown. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:14:20 pm
Good luck with that.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:15:15 pm
Good luck with that.

I got the power. :knuppel2:

I suspect this thread will die a bit until election days in France, but there we go.  Toondave might humour me. :thup:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: B-more Mag on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:25:25 pm
Countdown to Frexit.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Mike on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:26:28 pm
:lol: Bluf loves an election.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:27:44 pm
Not forgetting the mess that's in Italy at the moment either.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:31:08 pm
:lol: Bluf loves an election.

Politics consumes me.  Probably why I've made nothing of my life. :lol: 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: cp40 on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:33:07 pm
:lol: Bluf loves an election.

Politics consumes me.  Probably why I've made nothing of my life. :lol: 


go and be a politician?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: thomas on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:41:28 pm
:lol: Bluf loves an election.
:lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: B-more Mag on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:43:37 pm
:lol: Bluf loves an election.

Politics consumes me.  Probably why I've made nothing of my life. :lol: 


go and be a politician?

:lol: He already said he'd made nothing of his life.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 23 February 2017, 01:45:50 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Klaus on Thursday 23 February 2017, 05:00:21 pm
But what about brexit and all that eh
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: La Parka on Thursday 23 February 2017, 06:21:28 pm
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Kaizero on Thursday 23 February 2017, 06:58:03 pm
On the other hand, we've had a right wing government for the past four years here in Norway and nothing is more certain than the fact they're about to be kicked the f*** out in November. Approval has never been as low and they're tanking in all the polls (then again polls seem to mean nothing anymore :anguish:).
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Varadi on Friday 24 February 2017, 07:37:38 am
The French election is huge - if Le Pen wins there it's a disaster for the EU and continuation of the global slide to the right.

It seems the opposing parties are prepared to do pretty much whatever it takes to stop her in terms of forming alliances, but it only takes 1 terrorist incident between now and the election to flip the whole thing on it's head. With rumours of Russian involvement again don't rule out some massive breaking scandal about Macron (fake or otherwise) some time in the next couple of months.

I actually know a couple of people whose world view has become so distorted by the whole Brexit/anti-EU furore that they're genuinely rooting for a Le Pen win. Really worrying times.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Pata on Friday 24 February 2017, 08:42:46 am
On the other hand, we've had a right wing government for the past four years here in Norway and nothing is more certain than the fact they're about to be kicked the f*** out in November. Approval has never been as low and they're tanking in all the polls (then again polls seem to mean nothing anymore :anguish:).

Same here, "Perussuomalaiset" got into government after last elections with over 20% of the votes, now they are at below 10% (polls :lol:)and close to becoming irrelevant again.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 24 February 2017, 08:58:57 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

:sadnod:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 09:10:37 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:15:14 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:35:38 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:40:05 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Toondave on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:43:16 am
For all the talk of Russia fuelling this march to war, what do they benefit? I'm not convinced they have any territorial aims beyond retaining access to the Mediterranean. Theres someone else who would benefit greatly from a war between Europe and Russia though, make a bit of money before their coming war with China.

(parky pls come back)
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:43:38 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)

So you are predicting war but have no idea who the combatant nations would be???
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:44:14 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

There are already proxy wars between the US/'coalition' and Russia in the middle East. There are huge racial tensions in France on a civil level and we're at war with an extreme but wholly prevalent ideology in radical Islam. The rise of extreme right wing in terms of realpolitik will only increase these tensions that lead to proxy/civil or open war. We're in the age of proxy/ideological/digitial/covert warfare that's a lot harder to pinpoint than say the days of the triple entente and Austro-Germany.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:48:12 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)

So you are predicting war but have no idea who the combatant nations would be???

it would depend on who is elected where and what type of protectionism/nationalist policies they implement obviously, why is that hard?

it's what i believe the 'rise of the right' will lead to but i can neither predict things exactly any better than you can provide evidence it won't happen

Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:48:39 am
La Parka's post also didn't allude to strictly a war of nations.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:52:49 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

There are already proxy wars between the US/'coalition' and Russia in the middle East. There are huge racial tensions in France on a civil level and we're at war with an extreme but wholly prevalent ideology in radical Islam. The rise of extreme right wing in terms of realpolitik will only increase these tensions that lead to proxy/civil or open war. We're in the age of proxy/ideological/digitial/covert warfare that's a lot harder to pinpoint than say the days of the triple entente and Austro-Germany.

We've been in a proxy war with Russia over Ukraine for a long time now, its no suddenly appeared...Its caused by the West creeping further Eastwards into what used to be and what Russia sees as it sphere of influence.

The Syrian proxy has been going on for a long time and its only recently that the big players have had to play their hands, Russia directly getting involved and then it was Russia supporting one of its allies from foreign fighters.

I'm just asking who you think will go to war?  European nations at each other again, European countries breaking down into civil war???

I highly doubt it.

Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 24 February 2017, 10:59:53 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

There are already proxy wars between the US/'coalition' and Russia in the middle East. There are huge racial tensions in France on a civil level and we're at war with an extreme but wholly prevalent ideology in radical Islam. The rise of extreme right wing in terms of realpolitik will only increase these tensions that lead to proxy/civil or open war. We're in the age of proxy/ideological/digitial/covert warfare that's a lot harder to pinpoint than say the days of the triple entente and Austro-Germany.

We've been in a proxy war with Russia over Ukraine for a long time now, its no suddenly appeared...Its caused by the West creeping further Eastwards into what used to be and what Russia sees as it sphere of influence.

The Syrian proxy has been going on for a long time and its only recently that the big players have had to play their hands, Russia directly getting involved and then it was Russia supporting one of its allies from foreign fighters.

I'm just asking who you think will go to war?  European nations at each other again, European countries breaking down into civil war???

I highly doubt it.



Direct Russian intervention and escalation of proxy war is hardly a step in the right direction mind. Further political movement to the far right is only going to escalate matters on civil and international levels. With a bit of hope, these elements won't prevail in these elections. Who will 'go to war'. I can't be sure. But this right wing/anti Islam thing can't be underestimated if such elements get into power on a wider scale.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:00:53 am
I thought the Ukranian Civil War was about some Western Ukrainian's wanting to join the EU with Eastern Ukraine being essentially, Russia.  Also thought the Ukraine owed Russia a s*** lot of money.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:08:43 am
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

There are already proxy wars between the US/'coalition' and Russia in the middle East. There are huge racial tensions in France on a civil level and we're at war with an extreme but wholly prevalent ideology in radical Islam. The rise of extreme right wing in terms of realpolitik will only increase these tensions that lead to proxy/civil or open war. We're in the age of proxy/ideological/digitial/covert warfare that's a lot harder to pinpoint than say the days of the triple entente and Austro-Germany.

We've been in a proxy war with Russia over Ukraine for a long time now, its no suddenly appeared...Its caused by the West creeping further Eastwards into what used to be and what Russia sees as it sphere of influence.

The Syrian proxy has been going on for a long time and its only recently that the big players have had to play their hands, Russia directly getting involved and then it was Russia supporting one of its allies from foreign fighters.

I'm just asking who you think will go to war?  European nations at each other again, European countries breaking down into civil war???

I highly doubt it.



Direct Russian intervention and escalation of proxy war is hardly a step in the right direction mind. Further political movement to the far right is only going to escalate matters on civil and international levels. With a bit of hope, these elements won't prevail in these elections. Who will 'go to war'. I can't be sure. But this right wing/anti Islam thing can't be underestimated if such elements get into power on a wider scale.

Its not perfect but it looks to have brought an end to the Syrian conflict.

Don't get me wrong I'm no fan of Russia but we'll be looking for trouble if we keep creeping Eastwards. Its like Poking an injured tiger with a stick.

As for Europe, I cant see any flavour for war between nations and I cant see any flavour for war between the peoples of Europe.

And as for the RW, yeah its worry but you cant ignore the likes of Tony Blaire who helped light up the whole Middle East and he was/is a neo liberal.

Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:09:39 am
I thought the Ukranian Civil War was about some Western Ukrainian's wanting to join the EU with Eastern Ukraine being essentially, Russia.  Also thought the Ukraine owed Russia a s*** lot of money.

Its part of a much wider issue, all about hemming Russia in and killing its leverage and sphere of influence.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:11:36 am
But it started with Ukranian self determination? 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:15:59 am
But it started with Ukranian self determination? 

Yeah they had have massive protests over the years both pro Russia / Pro west...to the point where both sides have piled in.  I wonder  :undecided:

Its no surprise Russia has stepped in to protect its own interests as the West try to lure Ukraine over to them.

Its all very odd.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:21:25 am
I may have over played Russia's role but due to the expanse of radical Islam after outbreak insyria and other areas of the Persian gulf, states have further been drawn in and tensions regarding people seeking or taking advantage of asylum have pushed behaviour to the extreme right. It's going to be a gradual sliding scale and a lot can happen so no I can't predict any breakout. Just think it's too much of a heating pressure cooker right now not to just blow...somewhere. Intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan has undoubtedly been a mistake and a huge factor the other side. I find it a real shame that Blair tainted his ledger as such and tagged on to dubyah finishing what daddy started.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Toondave on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:21:43 am
Nation split on ethnic and cultural lines. US agitating Ukrainians to accept EU deal against the proposal in place between Russia and Yanukovych. When the EU/Western supported protesters ousted Yanukovych, Russia sought to, depending on your point of view (or it's both as I believe), protect ethnic/cultural Russians in the Donbass region from retaliation or to retain what influence it has in the area. The Crimea issue is slightly separate - it's Russia's only port with access to the Med (not including Syria's Tartous) and has been pseudo-Russian for ages, Tartars couldn't really give a f*** about Ukraine and were more than happy to be under Russian protection - the Civil war just gave a convenient backdrop to solidify Crimea as Russian.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Toondave on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:24:26 am
I may have over played Russia's role but due to the expanse of radical Islam after outbreak insyria and other areas of the Persian gulf, states have further been drawn in and tensions regarding people seeking or taking advantage of asylum have pushed behaviour to the extreme right. It's going to be a gradual sliding scale and a lot can happen so no I can't predict any breakout. Just think it's too much of a heating pressure cooker right now not to just blow...somewhere. Intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan has undoubtedly been a mistake and a huge factor the other side. I find it a real shame that Blair tainted his ledger as such and tagged on to dubyah finishing what daddy started.

The refugee policy pursued by Merkel through the EU is nothing short of disastrous no matter which side you fall on (other than wanting to seem nice). It has resulted in thousands of deaths that were completely avoidable. Cameron, for all his sins, had the right idea with helping them at source and only taking refugees directly from danger areas with RFA. Can argue numbers all day but those are two hugely different strategies, one of which puts image ahead of practicality in my eyes.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:31:16 am
Ukraine's natural resources...

Iron Ore
Coal
Natural Gas :hmm:
Oil   :hmm:
Nickel
Mercury
Arable land

Its  damn rich in resources - http://www.azomining.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=47

Hello Europe!  :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Disco on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:32:27 am
You alright there Gimp?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Toondave on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:34:12 am
Most of the industry is in the Donbass region too.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 24 February 2017, 11:34:28 am
You alright there Gimp?

Fine aye  :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: La Parka on Friday 24 February 2017, 12:32:54 pm
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)

So you are predicting war but have no idea who the combatant nations would be???

it would depend on who is elected where and what type of protectionism/nationalist policies they implement obviously, why is that hard?

it's what i believe the 'rise of the right' will lead to but i can neither predict things exactly any better than you can provide evidence it won't happen



The rise of the right/nationalism will spawn a disgusting leader sooner rather than later. Countries becoming increasingly insular, restrictive and believing themselves to be better than others will lead to war. I have no clue to how this will manifest but all this wall building will eventually lead to someone tearing them down.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Klaus on Friday 24 February 2017, 12:47:36 pm
It is only a matter of time before we have s far right leader in (probably) Central Europe, leading to division and possibly even conflict. The only country which will benefit from this is Russia, but I struggle to see any way to change the tide of opinion across the continent. I really can only see populism increasing as countries take in more refugees and have ever increasing populations.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 24 February 2017, 12:48:16 pm
Been talking to my missus about this for ages. We watch Euronews and the trend is clear . Trump re-enforces this rise of nationalism and growth of the right. Its gonna lead to war.

War between who?

Does it matter? A rise of nationalism has manifested itself in increased hatred of muslims; moderate and those in the extremes who follow it. The world hangs in the balance at the minute of which despots to fund to contain the worst element, how to deal with the legacies of intervention in the middle east and Russia flexing their geo-political muscles. There has already been developments with this in the Ukraine which in Jan 2016 (its government anyway) also happened to cosy up to membership of DCFTA. War is inevitable; international and/or civil. The degree to which it extrapolates is the thing you can debate.

It matters quite a bit who actually goes to war with each other.

how could you expect anyone to predict that at this stage though, it's the 'rise of the right' in the sense that it's ongoing...if you get right-wing leaders/policies in a few governments across europe it'll lead to war (no i can not guarantee this)

So you are predicting war but have no idea who the combatant nations would be???

it would depend on who is elected where and what type of protectionism/nationalist policies they implement obviously, why is that hard?

it's what i believe the 'rise of the right' will lead to but i can neither predict things exactly any better than you can provide evidence it won't happen



The rise of the right/nationalism will spawn a disgusting leader sooner rather than later. Countries becoming increasingly insular, restrictive and believing themselves to be better than others will lead to war. I have no clue to how this will manifest but all this wall building will eventually lead to someone tearing them down.
Exactly
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Toondave on Friday 24 February 2017, 12:48:45 pm
How does Russia benefit from war in Europe?

Their economy can barely support the Syrian intervention as it is and they have a lot of Europe hooked on gas.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Klaus on Friday 24 February 2017, 12:54:57 pm
How does Russia benefit from war in Europe?

Their economy can barely support the Syrian intervention as it is and they have a lot of Europe hooked on gas.

Perhaps not war itself, but they certainly want to see division within the EU which is why they give/loan the NF funds for example.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the Right
Post by: Toondave on Friday 24 February 2017, 12:57:06 pm
Well they naturally feel threatened by encroachment into what they consider their sphere of influence, personified in part by the EU. I very much doubt their endgame is war.


I think conflict is far more likely in the China Sea.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kaizero on Friday 24 February 2017, 05:22:47 pm
On the other hand, we've had a right wing government for the past four years here in Norway and nothing is more certain than the fact they're about to be kicked the f*** out in November. Approval has never been as low and they're tanking in all the polls (then again polls seem to mean nothing anymore :anguish:).

Same here, "Perussuomalaiset" got into government after last elections with over 20% of the votes, now they are at below 10% (polls :lol:)and close to becoming irrelevant again.

Yeah, I feel the best way to get rid of the far right is to let them try to rule for a while and showing everyone just how incompetent they are when they actually have power and aren't just complaining about the ones in power. This only goes for the coubtries where they can't force themselves to stay in power forever though.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 24 February 2017, 06:00:29 pm
Well they naturally feel threatened by encroachment into what they consider their sphere of influence, personified in part by the EU. I very much doubt their endgame is war.

I think conflict is far more likely in the China Sea.

no one is saying anyone's end game is war, or at least i'm not, but sew enough division and have enough hard-right parties in charge it'll not take much for things go off of their own accord...bit of protectionism, pinch of nationalism, hint of blaming all problems on immigrants etc. etc.

no idea why people are so keen to ignore the lessons of relatively recent history
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Saturday 25 February 2017, 08:44:00 am
Reminds me of this:

https://youtu.be/7DoM3sWkgfU
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Si on Sunday 26 February 2017, 09:19:31 am
Revealed: how US billionaire helped to back Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 26 February 2017, 09:31:03 am
Bahahahahahahaha absolute f***ing mugs
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 26 February 2017, 12:01:35 pm
Revealed: how US billionaire helped to back Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Wrong thread?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Tuesday 28 February 2017, 05:47:23 pm
Don't know a better thread to put this in http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/773185/Eurozone-voters-newest-EU-members-euro-Brexit
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Tuesday 28 February 2017, 05:57:54 pm
STRICTLY NO BREXIT TALK

Thems the rules
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 12:10:43 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/geert-wilders-dutch-election-far-right-2017-poll-latest-second-place-netherlands-a7605106.html

Here's hoping.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 08:28:19 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/european-union-vote-lift-marine-le-pen-immunity-tweet-isis-violence-a7604506.html

I can't begin to say how much I dislike this woman, but I think this is a bit desperate and will backfire spectacularly come the election. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 08:32:54 pm
Quote
The offence being considered is “publishing violent images,” which under certain circumstances can carry a penalty of three years in prison and a fine of €75,000 (£64,000).

madness
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 08:41:48 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/european-union-vote-lift-marine-le-pen-immunity-tweet-isis-violence-a7604506.html

I can't begin to say how much I dislike this woman, but I think this is a bit desperate and will backfire spectacularly come the election.
so all she's done is post things that have actually happened?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 08:43:11 pm
Quote
The offence being considered is “publishing violent images,” which under certain circumstances can carry a penalty of three years in prison and a fine of €75,000 (£64,000).

madness

Quite.

Yeah, JD.  That's it.  Silly nonsense.  The desperation of the establishment these days is there for all to see.  I'm not suggesting I'm against their political motivations, but they've lost the plot on how to actually achieve them.  Both in Europe and the US.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 08:52:04 pm
why can't people just debate each other in a civil manner is that too much to ask for
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 08:54:43 pm
why can't people just debate each other in a civil manner is that too much to ask for

f*** off.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 08:56:58 pm
why can't people just debate each other in a civil manner is that too much to ask for

How you going to drum up hatred by doing that you Irish prick?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 09:26:26 pm
asked for that didn't I :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Si on Wednesday 8 March 2017, 04:57:40 pm
[emoji38]
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 8 March 2017, 06:19:51 pm
Love an RTG inspired f*** off :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Thursday 9 March 2017, 01:26:15 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39217959

Poland has threatened to derail Thursday's EU summit as it attempts to block the re-election of Donald Tusk as president of the European Council.

Quote
PM Beata Szydlo has also written a letter to EU leaders saying Mr Tusk has "violated multiple times his European mandate" by getting involved in Polish political disputes and supporting the opposition to the government.

The EU has angered Poland's nationalist government by criticising changes to the country's top court, new restrictions on journalists and its opposition to resettling refugees by quota.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 12 March 2017, 11:17:43 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/francois-fillon-emmanuel-macron-anti-semitic-tweet-apologises-french-presidential-election-a7625866.html

What a clown.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Sunday 12 March 2017, 11:22:45 pm
With so much Islamophobia you almost forget that anti Semitic behaviour is just as prevalent and rife these recent days.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 13 March 2017, 12:01:33 am
why can't people just debate each other in a civil manner is that too much to ask for

f*** off.
why can't people just debate each other in a civil manner is that too much to ask for

How you going to drum up hatred by doing that you Irish prick?

:lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 13 March 2017, 12:02:49 am
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/francois-fillon-emmanuel-macron-anti-semitic-tweet-apologises-french-presidential-election-a7625866.html

What a clown.

:lol: Fillon's rapid descent into irrelevancy over the past few months has been amazing.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toon Hoser on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 08:41:05 pm
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 08:43:43 pm
19 seats for them and 31 for Rutte according to the exit polls.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:05:18 pm
I'll take that. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:11:36 pm
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:13:59 pm
Be funny if they built a majority coalition with all but that slick c***'s party.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:16:14 pm
How many seats did they have before? Farage will be on the phone trying to get the money back on his tickets to go and gurn in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:17:10 pm
12
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:19:33 pm
VVD had 40 seats now on course for 31 seats. PVV (Wilders) had 12 seats and now on course for 19 seats.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:22:01 pm
Absolutely fewming because he hates those abhorrent Turks and murderous muzzies but absolutely buzzing because he's a vile immigrant c***.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:22:05 pm
Considering we thought he might win, this is alright.  I'm not aware of the finer details of who's who over there though.  Is the VVD on course to be the biggest party?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:24:55 pm
Just Britain and the US flying the flag of the hard right then :yao: soft forrun c***s
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:26:37 pm
Considering we thought he might win, this is alright.  I'm not aware of the finer details of who's who over there though.  Is the VVD on course to be the biggest party?


Yes. Rutte (incumbent PM) is the leader of the VVD.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:31:35 pm
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 09:51:44 pm
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

As long as parties are always willing to compromise, it's a much better way to govern.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: madras on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 10:07:37 pm
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

As long as parties are always willing to compromise, it's a much better way to govern.
Bloody right, as opposed to a system where an overall majority of seats can be won on around 30% of the available electorate, where it's possible to win more votes than other and have fewer seats. UKIP being a great example where the support doesn't translate into seats for all I disagree with almost everything they stand for (not that many of their supporters know what they stand for but thats more to do with the electorate than the system).
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 10:11:07 pm
Well, yeah.  I just mean the lack of that specific quality in the UK, compromising.  Goes without saying, our lack of PR is destroying our democracy. 

Even if short-term, UKIP would benefit, there was a time it would have transformed a more likeable Lib Dems. :undecided:

Our best chance of getting it, now, is in the hands of the UKIP fury mob.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Wednesday 15 March 2017, 11:54:11 pm
Have you seen their ballot paper though?

150cm across  :lol:

edi

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69AZO1WcAArFXQ.jpg:large)
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 16 March 2017, 12:00:46 am
They do seem to have too many parties, aye. :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Thursday 16 March 2017, 12:47:29 am
https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html

results if anyone's interested. still counting
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Thursday 16 March 2017, 06:49:02 am
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

As long as parties are always willing to compromise, it's a much better way to govern.

Because I'll take any excuse to procrastinate, I worked out how our last election would have ended under their system:

Con:    243
Lab:      201
Ukip:   84
LD:      53
SNP:      31
Green:   24
DUP:       3
Plaid:   3
Sinn Fein:   3
Ulster Unionist:  2
SDLP:   2
Alliance:   1

Only one extra party would have got a seat.  Labour, the Tories and the SNP would have been the big losers, while the Greens, UKIP and Lib Dems would have fared much better.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Varadi on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:28:37 am
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

As long as parties are always willing to compromise, it's a much better way to govern.

Because I'll take any excuse to procrastinate, I worked out how our last election would have ended under their system:

Con:    243
Lab:      201
Ukip:   84
LD:      53
SNP:      31
Green:   24
DUP:       3
Plaid:   3
Sinn Fein:   3
Ulster Unionist:  2
SDLP:   2
Alliance:   1

Only one extra party would have got a seat.  Labour, the Tories and the SNP would have been the big losers, while the Greens, UKIP and Lib Dems would have fared much better.

So basically a Con/UKIP majority (just!) which would mean the Tories couldn't get anything done without UKIP approval, making for even more drastic swings to the right.

Seems we're screwed whatever the system :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BottledDog on Thursday 16 March 2017, 10:17:08 am
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

As long as parties are always willing to compromise, it's a much better way to govern.

Because I'll take any excuse to procrastinate, I worked out how our last election would have ended under their system:

Con:    243
Lab:      201
Ukip:   84
LD:      53
SNP:      31
Green:   24
DUP:       3
Plaid:   3
Sinn Fein:   3
Ulster Unionist:  2
SDLP:   2
Alliance:   1

Only one extra party would have got a seat.  Labour, the Tories and the SNP would have been the big losers, while the Greens, UKIP and Lib Dems would have fared much better.

So basically a Con/UKIP majority (just!) which would mean the Tories couldn't get anything done without UKIP approval, making for even more drastic swings to the right.

Seems we're screwed whatever the system :lol:

Jaysus. The idea of that many UKIPers knocking about. :buck2:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Thursday 16 March 2017, 10:23:42 am
About time we had the death penalty back tbh.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 16 March 2017, 10:34:57 am
As much as I like PR, the idea of 80+ mouth breathing UKIP representatives is ridiculous. They can't even find a leader FFS.

(Also people's voting patterns would change anyway)
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Incognito on Thursday 16 March 2017, 10:47:27 am
Brexiteers at work moaning about Wilders not winning. They're to a man idolising Le Pen   now. Sickens me how this disgusting brand of politics has been reborn. Somewhere in Europe a new Hitler is spawning.  Might even be here ffs.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Thursday 16 March 2017, 10:49:15 am
I do look canny with a tache tbf.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 16 March 2017, 11:34:35 am
More parties than Paris Hilton.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:27:30 pm
VVD had 40 seats now on course for 31 seats. PVV (Wilders) had 12 seats and now on course for 19 seats.

Don't know where people were getting the 12 from. At the 2012 elections the PVV party got 15 seats, and they have ended up on 20 in these elections. Still far too much, but it's a consolation that 87% of people in this country remain somewhat sensible.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:33:16 pm
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

How is our voting system different to the UK's, or how does it favour smaller parties exactly? It's still one person, one vote just like it's always been, except we have what seems to be an ever growing number of parties. The animal welfare party (PvdD) you mention is only so by name really; their program is actually quite mainstream and broad topically and has a lot in common with GroenLinks, another leftist party with an emphasis on environmentalism that coincidentally I ended up voting for this time around.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:34:26 pm
You guys have PR, we don't.  That's the difference, but accept what you say on the rest obviously.

The big problem is, so many of our votes mean and count for nothing on a national scale.  We just vote our local politicians in, it's got no reflection on the popularity of parties across the nation as a whole.  PR would enable us to do the same on a local level, but also have votes on a national scale, whereby politicians get into parliament through the party lists.  If that makes sense. :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:36:03 pm
I couldn't be arsed going through 28 manifestos.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:38:00 pm
You guys have PR, we don't.  That's the difference, but accept what you say on the rest obviously.

The big difference is, so many of our votes mean and count for nothing on a national scale.  We just vote our local politicians in, it's got no reflection on the popularity of parties across the nation as a whole.  PR would enable us to do the same, but also have votes on a national scale, whereby politicians get into parliament through the party lists.  If that makes sense. :lol:

It does now. Thanks for clarifying. :thup:

I would say though that instead of our system favouring smaller parties over bigger ones, your system massively favours the bigger parties over smaller ones.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:42:01 pm
I couldn't be arsed going through 28 manifestos.

Not really needed. Five minutes on a online election help tool answering some 30 questions will help bring the selection down to a more manageable number.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:42:15 pm
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

How is our voting system different to the UK's, or how does it favour smaller parties exactly? It's still one person, one vote just like it's always been, except we have what seems to be an ever growing number of parties. The animal welfare party (PvdD) you mention is only so by name really; their program is actually quite mainstream and broad topically and has a lot in common with GroenLinks, another leftist party with an emphasis on environmentalism that coincidentally I ended up voting for this time around.

Constituency based.  UKIP got 13% of the vote, about the same as PVV.  They only won a single seat (out of 650).  Meanwhile the SNP won 56 seats with under 9% of the vote.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Unbelievable! on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:44:48 pm
I know there's 28 parties in Holland but for the winning party to get only 31 seats out of 150 is really s***.

Their voting system is different to ours.  It favours the smaller parties, even an animal welfare party managed to win seats.

How is our voting system different to the UK's, or how does it favour smaller parties exactly? It's still one person, one vote just like it's always been, except we have what seems to be an ever growing number of parties. The animal welfare party (PvdD) you mention is only so by name really; their program is actually quite mainstream and broad topically and has a lot in common with GroenLinks, another leftist party with an emphasis on environmentalism that coincidentally I ended up voting for this time around.

Constituency based.  UKIP got 13% of the vote, about the same as PVV.  They only won a single seat (out of 650).  Meanwhile the SNP won 56 seats with under 9% of the vote.

Aye, I'm with you now. As I added above though, it's not so much our system favouring smaller parties as it is yours favouring the big ones.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 16 March 2017, 09:45:53 pm
Ain't that the f***ing truth!
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Friday 17 March 2017, 12:05:25 am
Neil and Portillo almost campaign for Le Pen. Ridiculement.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Friday 17 March 2017, 12:08:40 am
I didn't hear a nice word about Le Pen there, other than that she's smarter than Geert Wilders.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Friday 17 March 2017, 12:23:40 am
And a not a negative one either. Plenty of time denigrating anyone else in the race though. Too inexperienced and pro EU.

Each to their own though. Neil is a good interviewer and sly bloke.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Friday 24 March 2017, 09:30:19 pm
http://news.sky.com/story/putin-meets-le-pen-and-denies-he-wants-to-influence-the-french-election-10812515
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 27 March 2017, 01:45:48 pm
See, there's another of the grand hypocrisies of our time.  We, as the UK and US essentially, have been meeting with opposition leaders time and time again, looking to stir s*** to our own tune.  Someone else plays on this field?  Suddenly it's deeply corrosive and an attack on democracy.  Which it is, but payback is a c***.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Monday 27 March 2017, 08:40:02 pm
See, there's another of the grand hypocrisies of our time.  We, as the UK and US essentially, have been meeting with opposition leaders time and time again, looking to stir s*** to our own tune.  Someone else plays on this field?  Suddenly it's deeply corrosive and an attack on democracy.  Which it is, but payback is a c***.

I just thought it was ominous her meeting with the king maker so to speak. Will only lead herself to questioning if she wins now.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: kingkerouac on Wednesday 29 March 2017, 07:55:42 am
See, there's another of the grand hypocrisies of our time.  We, as the UK and US essentially, have been meeting with opposition leaders time and time again, looking to stir s*** to our own tune.  Someone else plays on this field?  Suddenly it's deeply corrosive and an attack on democracy.  Which it is, but payback is a c***.

Yes indeed.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: B-more Mag on Wednesday 29 March 2017, 10:54:17 am
See, there's another of the grand hypocrisies of our time.  We, as the UK and US essentially, have been meeting with opposition leaders time and time again, looking to stir s*** to our own tune.  Someone else plays on this field?  Suddenly it's deeply corrosive and an attack on democracy.  Which it is, but payback is a c***.

:lol: You love this issue, man.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 29 March 2017, 10:56:31 am
I think it's a serious problem mainstream leaders in the west are refusing to confront and getting shafted for it as a result.  Yeah.  :lol: 

We still act like the moral guardians of the world all whilst knowing the truly reprehensible s*** that's been done in our name. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: B-more Mag on Wednesday 29 March 2017, 11:22:09 am
I hear you, man, but I guess it's just not surprising to me. That sort of hypocrisy has been going on forever. And to compound matters, we also take loads of s*** when we don't act like moral guardians of the world sufficiently for other countries' liking.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 29 March 2017, 11:27:42 am
The frightening consequence is, these types, Le Pen etc, arguably even Trump with his torture attitude, that they'll go on to exploit and do the same things done in the name of liberal societies of the past but on a greater scale.  How we actually go about addressing this, I've no idea though. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 4 April 2017, 11:55:59 am
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-presidential-election-marine-le-pen-lose-emmanuel-macron-win-poll-voters-certain-choice-a7665706.html
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Tuesday 4 April 2017, 12:47:56 pm
She's not going to win, just the media love wanking over far right candidates around Europe.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Tuesday 4 April 2017, 01:34:25 pm
Her only route to victory is facing melenchon in the second round. Highly unlikely but not impossible, he jumped after the last debate with another tonight.  Currently at 20/1 for melenchon/mlp final two, might be worth a few quid.

 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 5 April 2017, 12:15:30 am
She's not going to win

Sounds familiar.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Monday 10 April 2017, 10:44:37 am
Her only route to victory is facing melenchon in the second round. Highly unlikely but not impossible, he jumped after the last debate with another tonight.  Currently at 20/1 for melenchon/mlp final two, might be worth a few quid.

Into 12/1 now, cashed out would advise same (or lay ofc). Melenchon polling well now but surely can't do it. Shurrrrely.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 10 April 2017, 02:33:57 pm
Still find being able to bet on elections absolutely absurd.  Not the people choosing to do it, just being able to. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Monday 10 April 2017, 05:06:53 pm
Still find being able to bet on elections absolutely absurd.  Not the people choosing to do it, just being able to.

Odds are all over the place with polls, and polls are as we know  :lol: can be quite profitable
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: kingkerouac on Tuesday 11 April 2017, 07:48:27 am
She's not going to win

Sounds familiar.

With Brexit, Trump and a Tory MP for the first time in my home constituency, I would not rule anything out.
Viva le Fasciste!
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:11:31 pm
Macron and Le Pen win first round of voting.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:11:59 pm
No chance for MLP against Macron
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:12:38 pm
No chance for MLP against Macron

Stop it :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:12:42 pm
Ach, was hoping for the far left dude.  Ah well.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:13:31 pm
No chance for MLP against Macron

Stop it :lol:


Camaaan, only chance for her was Melenchon beating Macron
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BottledDog on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:13:54 pm
Putin smirks.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Varadi on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:14:00 pm
Macron and Le Pen win first round of voting.

Not confirmed yet is it? Just exit polls so far.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:24:27 pm
All those who voted for other candidates will vote against Marine, to keep her out.

For the far right to perform so well, sadly shows the state Europe is in right now.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: M4 on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:28:11 pm
Not final no, but pretty reliable system. Especially given the gap there seems to be with Fillon in third.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:29:22 pm
Worth noting they're not exit polls but a section of votes already counted from select stations.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: M4 on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:30:18 pm


All those who voted for other candidates will vote against Marine, to keep her out.

It won't be as drastic as in 2002 when Le Pen senior got less than 20% on the second round.

Will be very interesting.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:45:28 pm
Fillon royally f***ed this up. By the looks of it France hasn't really voted for anyone, throwing votes aaaal owa the shop. Without that scandal he was on course to take it comfortably.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Mike on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:46:26 pm
:lol: Why are crazy motherfuckers so close to power the world over?
Title: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:49:44 pm
:lol: Why are crazy motherfuckers so close to power the world over?
Stagnation of living standards in the west had led the working class to populism I feel.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Mike on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:53:20 pm
:lol: Why are crazy motherfuckers so close to power the world over?
Stagnation of living standards in the west had led the working class to populism I feel.

:lol: So we elected noted common man Donald Trump. The guy with a gold living room.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:54:59 pm
:lol: Why are crazy motherfuckers so close to power the world over?
Stagnation of living standards in the west had led the working class to populism I feel.

:lol: So we elected noted common man Donald Trump. The guy with a gold living room.
No, America bought someone who claimed to be selling the American dream.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:55:12 pm
:lol: Why are crazy motherfuckers so close to power the world over?
Stagnation of living standards in the west had led the working class to populism I feel.

:lol: So we elected noted common man Donald Trump. The guy with a gold living room.

:lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:56:07 pm
At least Donald is pro business, MLPs solution to inert and overregulated France is err more regulation. :lol: The only positive she could offer them is dragging them out of the EU and monetary sovereignty.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:57:04 pm
Stop fishing TD ffs :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:57:57 pm
She'd be a disaster man
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 23 April 2017, 11:52:30 pm
Wonder how many butthurt Melanchon voters will just stay home rather than vote for Macron.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 24 April 2017, 12:09:48 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-mayor-annezin-daniel-delomez-marine-le-pen-resign-a7698501.html

Quote
A French mayor whose town voted for Front National candidate Marine Le Pen said he may resign as he does not want to dedicate his life to “pricks.”

Daniel Delomez called the result in Annezin in northern France “catastrophic”, after 38 per cent of the electorate voted for the far-right candidate.

“It is catastrophic. It’s possible that I will step down as I do not want to dedicate my life to arseholes,” he told French publication L’Avenir de l’Artois.

:lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: TheHoob on Monday 24 April 2017, 12:15:35 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: 54 on Monday 24 April 2017, 12:24:20 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: ponsaelius on Monday 24 April 2017, 12:26:01 pm
 :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 24 April 2017, 12:33:26 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-mayor-annezin-daniel-delomez-marine-le-pen-resign-a7698501.html

Quote
A French mayor whose town voted for Front National candidate Marine Le Pen said he may resign as he does not want to dedicate his life to “pricks.”

Daniel Delomez called the result in Annezin in northern France “catastrophic”, after 38 per cent of the electorate voted for the far-right candidate.

“It is catastrophic. It’s possible that I will step down as I do not want to dedicate my life to arseholes,” he told French publication L’Avenir de l’Artois.

:lol:

:clap:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Monday 24 April 2017, 12:37:00 pm
Hah! Formidable.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: 54 on Monday 24 April 2017, 06:40:57 pm
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 24 April 2017, 07:44:11 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-election-front-national-marine-le-pen-emmanuel-macron-first-round-vote-results-a7700066.html

I've a fear that, much like Hillary, the press are going to talk up the inevitability of Macron winning so much that it'll either lead to complacency on votes that would go to him, or drive people towards Le Pen in some sort bizarre anti-establishment choice.  Who knows, certainly hope not. :dontknow:

Obviously in Britain, we shun trends and will not go for an anti-establishment choice. :huff:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Monday 24 April 2017, 08:33:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-YmJGg9pm8

Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Monday 24 April 2017, 08:40:57 pm
WHAT'S HER GAME!?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 24 April 2017, 09:13:24 pm
That's a bit weird...
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: DMC on Monday 24 April 2017, 09:16:19 pm
How the f*** does that work, what's the end game. If she stands down as leader of the FN then does that mean she's dropped out of the race?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Monday 24 April 2017, 09:18:46 pm
She's still standing of course. FN is a toxic brand I guess she's trying to shed it - doubt it'll work. Suppose she has to do something as there's no chance of her winning if she sits on her arse.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 24 April 2017, 09:22:09 pm
She's still in the race and using the step down as a way of appealing to a wider range of voters.  As TD says, can't see it working.  You can't just forget that part of her history. :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: DMC on Monday 24 April 2017, 09:22:53 pm
She's still standing of course. FN is a toxic brand I guess she's trying to shed it - doubt it'll work. Suppose she has to do something as there's no chance of her winning if she sits on her arse.
Just reading some more of the news sites and I get the same impression, since everyone else is now ganging up on the FN she must think disassociating herself from the Party will help. Bit late in the day for that sort of move and to be honest completely f***ing barking mad.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 26 April 2017, 02:35:48 am
Wonder how many butthurt Melanchon voters will just stay home rather than vote for Macron.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/world/europe/france-melenchon-macron-le-pen.html
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 26 April 2017, 02:50:32 am
Basically what I said above.  I should be a journo. :hmm:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Friday 28 April 2017, 04:04:47 pm
Marine Hero noting this down for future usage

Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Saturday 6 May 2017, 01:07:12 am
Macron's camp claiming a hacked email leak - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39827244
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: louistoon on Saturday 6 May 2017, 04:10:46 am
Marine Hero noting this down for future usage



Didn't even realise they'd arrested anyone regarding the Dortmund bombings. Wonder if it would be the same if they were muslim. very much doubt it.

What a crazy f***ing idea if you're prepared to go that far surely there are easier ways to make money than to take out a massive loan, take out a load of futures on Dortmund, plant three bombs on a roadside and pretend to write a note from isis.  :idiot2: What could possibly go wrong there.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 6 May 2017, 09:45:02 am
Quote
The documents were leaked on a file sharing website late on Friday and the Macron camp condemned the action just before the official campaigning period ended at midnight (22:00 GMT).
Candidates and the media now face restrictions until the polls close on Sunday evening, meaning Mr Macron cannot issue further statements.

But I'm sure it was just done for the sake of transparency  :rolleyes:

/pol/ and The_Donald will be furiously searching them for references to pizza as we speak.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Saturday 6 May 2017, 10:05:55 am
If they're trying to influence it surely they'd have leaked earlier? Too late now.

If it was Macron trying to play up the "russian interference" card well he'd be a bit stupid seeing as he's sitting pretty.

What's the motive here? Someone trying to get better odds on Macron? It's better than bank interest, safer too  :shifty:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Varadi on Saturday 6 May 2017, 10:22:49 am
If they're trying to influence it surely they'd have leaked earlier? Too late now.

If it was Macron trying to play up the "russian interference" card well he'd be a bit stupid seeing as he's sitting pretty.

What's the motive here? Someone trying to get better odds on Macron? It's better than bank interest, safer too  :shifty:

If we're buying the Russian bogeyman angle then I guess if they can't get their preferred candidate into power destabilising the new regime before it gets started is perhaps the next best thing.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 6 May 2017, 10:40:02 am
If they're trying to influence it surely they'd have leaked earlier? Too late now. 
They were released exactly as the restrictions came in place meaning he couldn't issue statements to say which were real and which (if any) were fake or doctored. Surely you're not saying that's coincidence? They just happened to get them at 10pm, and the timing wasn't for maximum effect on the election?

If there's nowt incriminating in them and you release them a month ago, by now we'd know it was nothing. Now it's all frantic innuendo about secret bank accounts on social media and journalists aren't allowed to correct it.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Saturday 6 May 2017, 10:49:10 am
Maximising the effect  :lol: we'll see. Nothing will come of this.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 6 May 2017, 11:13:39 am
I don't think it'll change the result, reaction in France seems to be a gallic shrug and "Heh, look, Russians"
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Saturday 6 May 2017, 12:31:17 pm
So who does Macron form a government with? He has no MPs at the minute right and there's nothing to suggest he will get a majority when the legislative elections take place.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Saturday 6 May 2017, 01:00:12 pm
So who does Macron form a government with? He has no MPs at the minute right and there's nothing to suggest he will get a majority when the legislative elections take place.

He doesn't.  He'll be head of state, not head of government.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 6 May 2017, 01:11:55 pm
Didn't realise the amount of powers the French President gets.  Mental amount.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:03:19 pm
Macron looks like he's won bigly.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:06:26 pm
Yuge result
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Si on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:06:42 pm
Merci France
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:09:24 pm
Far right still got their biggest vote in French history mind.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: ponsaelius on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:09:59 pm
Been a good day today
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:10:08 pm
Sounds like their election is as depressing as ours.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: hakka on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:45:12 pm
Pleased about that for France. Farage's wet dream is France far right winning and then that leading to Frexit.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:46:39 pm
Thank f*** France. Couldn't take another victory for nutters and racists.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:52:15 pm
Is Macron really going to stop Le Pen long term though, or are they just going to continue getting stronger during his presidency?
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 7 May 2017, 07:58:43 pm
If things continue on as they are then probably.

I seriously doubt many of the people voting for Le Pen are happy with the fact they feel like they have to vote for Le Pen.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 7 May 2017, 08:02:01 pm
One step at a time, the bad people didn't win. At least now there's a chance for someone to apply some reason to the debate for a couple of years.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Mike on Sunday 7 May 2017, 08:04:46 pm
:lol: Ben Arfa, Marion Cotillard and not electing the f***ing nutcase. Respect, France. Respect.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 7 May 2017, 08:07:24 pm
Only the US flying the flag of the far right then? :bluestar:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Bizza on Sunday 7 May 2017, 08:18:13 pm
Newcastle won something and a right wing loon lost an election. Good times :D
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: thomas on Sunday 7 May 2017, 10:49:50 pm
ooo la la, look at us, look at us, we didn't elect a racist idiot as president. pathetic.

Spoiler
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Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: YankeeToon on Sunday 7 May 2017, 11:22:52 pm
ooo la la, look at us, look at us, we didn't elect a racist idiot as president. pathetic.

Spoiler
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I mean, at least we can take some small solace in the fact that we're serving as such an exemplary cautionary tale for the rest of the world...
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Monday 8 May 2017, 07:45:47 am
This is good because not only have they rejected le pen, they've also elected Macron despite him not being their necessarily preferred candidate.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 8 May 2017, 08:59:05 am
This is good because not only have they rejected le pen, they've also elected Macron despite him not being their necessarily preferred candidate.

Its not good, the worm is out of the can now, Macron has no MPs and has only a few weeks to put something together.  Its appears to be the last throw of the dice political wise.

If he screws up it could cause havoc
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Monday 8 May 2017, 09:18:21 am
This is good because not only have they rejected le pen, they've also elected Macron despite him not being their necessarily preferred candidate.

Its not good, the worm is out of the can now, Macron has no MPs and has only a few weeks to put something together.  Its appears to be the last throw of the dice political wise.

If he screws up it could cause havoc

Legislative elections are next month, and recent polling (https://www.opinion-way.com/fr/component/edocman/?task=document.viewdoc&id=1618&Itemid=0) says that a majority for En Marche is likely.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 8 May 2017, 09:38:22 am
This is good because not only have they rejected le pen, they've also elected Macron despite him not being their necessarily preferred candidate.

Its not good, the worm is out of the can now, Macron has no MPs and has only a few weeks to put something together.  Its appears to be the last throw of the dice political wise.

If he screws up it could cause havoc

Legislative elections are next month, and recent polling (https://www.opinion-way.com/fr/component/edocman/?task=document.viewdoc&id=1618&Itemid=0) says that a majority for En Marche is likely.

Fair enough. The RW is out of the bag tho. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Darth Crooks on Monday 8 May 2017, 09:39:03 am
This is good because not only have they rejected le pen, they've also elected Macron despite him not being their necessarily preferred candidate.

Its not good, the worm is out of the can now, Macron has no MPs and has only a few weeks to put something together.  Its appears to be the last throw of the dice political wise.

If he screws up it could cause havoc

Legislative elections are next month, and recent polling (https://www.opinion-way.com/fr/component/edocman/?task=document.viewdoc&id=1618&Itemid=0) says that a majority for En Marche is likely.

Fair enough. The RW is out of the bag tho. 

That's nowt new.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: kingkerouac on Monday 8 May 2017, 01:57:04 pm
She's still standing of course. FN is a toxic brand I guess she's trying to shed it - doubt it'll work. Suppose she has to do something as there's no chance of her winning if she sits on her arse.

Trying to follow that fellow unprincipled c***, May, who has left out any mention of the Conservative Party from her election promotional materials.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Tuesday 9 May 2017, 01:21:00 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jT6XImDMf4
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 9 May 2017, 06:53:02 pm
(http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/ft.jpg)

:lol:  Well played, FT.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Sunday 14 May 2017, 05:32:06 pm
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 14 May 2017, 05:38:03 pm

Sad days when you're really rooting for a christian democrat to win and uphold tolerant and compassionate values.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 14 May 2017, 06:37:25 pm
Doesn't she want to ban the burqa? I sometimes wonder where on the left/right scale we would place foreign politicians. I remember left/centre-left people genuinely being FANS of Hillary Clinton, when she would clearly be a centre-right/right wing politician here, the same people would hate her.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Foluwashola on Sunday 14 May 2017, 07:09:43 pm
Lesser of two evils thing innit. Everyone knew that Hillary was a troubled right-wing creep by our standards.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:17:16 pm
Hillary Clinton a right-wing politician, f***ing hell. :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:26:13 pm
Hillary Clinton a right-wing politician, f***ing hell. :lol:

She would be a Tory here.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:31:44 pm
Hillary Clinton a right-wing politician, f***ing hell. :lol:

She would be a Tory here.

Aye :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:39:02 pm
And Corbyn's a downright fascist if you hold him up against Lenin. It's not a particularly useful metric.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kimbo on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:44:14 pm
Eh? I was just speculating about where people like Merkel and Clinton would fit on our own spectrum.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: OpenC on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:44:31 pm
I think that's the point that was originally being made deuce :thup:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:53:16 pm
I don't necessarily think that's true either, though. Regardless, the American and British political spectrums rest on completely different planes and hinge on different issues, it's pretty hard to compare them.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 14 May 2017, 10:45:47 pm
I don't necessarily think that's true either, though. Regardless, the American and British political spectrums rest on completely different planes and hinge on different issues, it's pretty hard to compare them.

the penny has almost dropped
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 29 May 2017, 08:18:46 pm
Macron not pulling punches in his joint speech with Putin; Martin Schulz publicly standing up for Merkel today.

Brexit/Trump may be net positives for EU solidarity.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: OpenC on Monday 29 May 2017, 08:25:32 pm
There's no May Be about it applying to France and Germany and all those countries that depend on them/the EU.. further than that, I wouldn't like to guess
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Tuesday 30 May 2017, 12:41:07 am
Germans always thought we were a stick in the mud, suspect the French thought the same. We were a nice little earner for them though which kept it sort of subdued.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 11 June 2017, 09:15:07 pm
Macron's party set for landslide in parliamentary elections.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Sunday 11 June 2017, 09:24:04 pm
Macron's party set for landslide in parliamentary elections.

:lol:  Heard that before.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 11 June 2017, 09:24:25 pm
Macron's party set for landslide in parliamentary elections.

:lol:  Heard that before.

:lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 20 September 2017, 01:24:40 pm
I guess some of this should fall under European Elections, if not quite far right.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catalonia-referendum-government-suspended-de-facto-independence-spain-madrid-government-raid-a7957046.html

Spain doing the EU's image no favours with its approach to separation movements. 

No idea what I'm doing here, I should be moving house. :whistle:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 20 September 2017, 05:17:22 pm
Spain taking the Azerbaijan approach to dissent and opposition then.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:22:47 pm
AfD make gains in German elections and will enter into parliament for the first time.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:24:41 pm
At the AFD far right? Don't know much about them tbh
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:26:33 pm
At the AFD far right? Don't know much about them tbh

Yes they're the far right party. The Britain First, Front Nationale or Donald Trump of Germany.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2017/9/24/a8a49448-9fcf-46f1-a37b-df35b0852ff7.jpg)

AfD wins battle for eastern German men

Look at this snapshot of analysis by public broadcaster ZDF: it shows that the right-wing nationalist AfD was the preferred party for men in the former East Germany. Some 27% of men in eastern Germany backed AfD - three points ahead of the CDU and well ahead of the other parties.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:27:08 pm
They're UKIP but more overt about murdering migrants IIRC.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:29:30 pm
Merkel's 33% of the vote is the worst performance of her four election victories.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:30:23 pm
Gotta the Jormans like, making the West seem moderate
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:32:12 pm
Merkel already talking about listening to AfD voters. Think she'll have to backslide massively on her refugee policy.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:39:18 pm
Merkel's 33% of the vote is the worst performance of her four election victories.

That's always going to happen when an incumbent has been around for so long.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: madras on Sunday 24 September 2017, 10:12:18 pm
Merkel already talking about listening to AfD voters. Think she'll have to backslide massively on her refugee policy.
Isn't that already underway ? Harder to enter Germany and more deportations etc
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kaizero on Sunday 24 September 2017, 10:19:28 pm
First time since WW2 a far-right party will be sitting in the Bundestag.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Saturday 11 November 2017, 10:25:22 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-independence-day-march-warsaw-far-right-fascists-a8050181.html

They really can't make their minds up if they love jews because of Israel's treatment of Palestine, or hate them just because. 

But anyway, not good, although clearly dwarfed by Labour's antisemitism problems. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Parky on Saturday 11 November 2017, 10:59:42 pm
First time since WW2 a far-right party will be sitting in the Bundestag.

Govt info on what to do about crying children was to put then in a dark room. It only stopped in the early 80's. True story.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Saturday 11 November 2017, 11:54:24 pm
Just an observation like, but it does seem like all these countries where they banned Holocaust denial hasn't quite worked out very well.  I can't mind them all, but I know France (I think so, right?), Germany and Austria, possibly a few more?  Perhaps the position that paints people into makes them more defensive about their beliefs rather than allowing thoughts and beliefs to mature without restriction.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Toondave on Sunday 12 November 2017, 11:38:27 am
Good observation, I think it's probably true. Same with most things, banning them adds an appeal. I wonder where they think "the Jews" are in power, and what constitutes "the Jews"; is it radical orthodoxy, zionists, merchants, usurers, combination of all? I like to think it's radical orthodoxy in their minds, somewhere behind some curtain there is a bunch of shadowy shtreimel-clad figures pulling the strings. You usually see this misattributed Voltaire quote at these times "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

I wonder if another fuel for this particular fire is they look westward, especially to Germany, and don't like what they see and are worried it's creeping towards them. No terrorism in Poland.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kaizero on Monday 4 December 2017, 02:33:27 pm
Extended statistical results of the Norwegian election are in. 84% of the people who voted for our far right party have no form of higher education. People voting for left wing parties do.

Not really news, but does back up the fact the far right are uneducated narrow minded f***s.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Incognito on Monday 4 December 2017, 02:41:35 pm
Extended statistical results of the Norwegian election are in. 84% of the people who boted for our far right party have no form of higher education. People voting for left wing parties do.

Not really news, but does back up the fact the far right are uneducated narrow minded f***s.
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Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Vivian Darkbloom on Tuesday 5 December 2017, 11:55:17 pm
Extended statistical results of the Norwegian election are in. 84% of the people who voted for our far right party have no form of higher education. People voting for left wing parties do.

Not really news, but does back up the fact the far right are uneducated narrow minded f***s.

Riff-raff been voting for the wrong party, eh? Who the hell decided to let the plumbers and joiners vote?

This is the condescending attitude that defines modern leftism.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Kaizero on Wednesday 6 December 2017, 12:07:57 am
You need an education to be a plumber in Norway. 4,5 years. Start wage is approx £45k a year in a proper company.

Add a year and you can be a certified underwater plumber as well. Throw £30k extra at your annual wage.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Vivian Darkbloom on Wednesday 6 December 2017, 12:14:08 am
It's neither here nor there. I could've said shop assistant. The point is socialism puts itself in the corner of the little man, and yet if they vote the wrong way, middle class Guardian readers look down on them with the same derision Maggie would have. It's the rotten hypocrisy that I don't like.



Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Saturday 9 December 2017, 11:21:16 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-muslim-mp-woman-ozlem-sara-cekic-nazis-tea-coffee-interview-a8087631.html

Interesting...
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Klaus on Monday 11 December 2017, 10:50:23 pm
ITV is quite interesting right now, far right rallies etc. Mostly based in the US but still.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 24 January 2018, 09:08:00 pm
AfD bloke converts to Islam. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42804202 :lol:
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Skeletor on Sunday 28 January 2018, 12:35:06 am
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/27/czech-republic-far-right-president-reelected
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 14 June 2018, 01:26:47 pm
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Hungary is definitely going in a dodgy direction.  I'd love to know what the EU is going to do about.  Sincerely, not a Brexit-related jibe. 
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Troll on Sunday 7 July 2019, 09:30:10 pm
Greek Tories back in power.
Title: Re: European Elections and the Rise of the (far) Right
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 10 July 2019, 09:46:05 pm