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Title: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Friday 8 July 2016, 10:54:31 PM
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-now-looking-seal-11590016

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Newcastle United are looking to tie a deal up to sign Arsenal’s versatile squad player Isaac Hayden.

The 21-year-old spent last season on loan at Hull City and is viewed as a player that can bring Sky Bet Championship experience to the table for Newcastle this season.

It remains to be seen whether the deal will be a season-long loan from the Gunners or a permanent move, but Rafa Benitez has moved swiftly to bolster his squad again after the capture of Jesus Gamez from Atletico Madrid.

Hayden can operate at centre-back, right-back or his main position of defensive midfield.

Hayden’s contract with Arsenal runs in summer 2017 and Newcastle have pipped Hull to his signature, with Steve Bruce attempting to sign him last January.

Back then he said: “They weren’t interested in January but it is something that we will prolong and see what happens in the summer.”

But Newcastle look to have pulled off another solid signing with interest now moving back to whether the Magpies can add Blackburn defender Grant Hanley to that list.

United have made contact with Rovers but are yet to come to an agreement for the Scotland international.

Hanley is currently with Blackburn on a pre-season training camp in Austria.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: TRon on Friday 8 July 2016, 11:03:10 PM
I read this earlier and was quite excited as his preferred position is apparently defensive midfielder, an area where we are going to be chronically short if Tiote leaves. Looks a real athlete as well so might well shunt the ginger Pirlo out of the side in good time.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: joeyt on Friday 8 July 2016, 11:27:28 PM
Only started 9 games in the Championship last season
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Friday 8 July 2016, 11:32:45 PM
Hes f***ing incredible.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: sbnufc on Friday 8 July 2016, 11:37:22 PM
Went on a Hull forum to see what they thought of him (just searched his name and 'hull city forum')

The only topic I found turned into an argument about Tom Ince within 3 posts
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 8 July 2016, 11:48:09 PM
There's a couple of clips from Arsenal pre-season games, where you can't really glean anything besides him looking like a real athlete in the making.

As I said in the other thread, an article from a Hull-based newspaper described him as combative, hard-working and that the fans took to him. Seen a couple of posts in Arsenal forums which said that Wenger rates him. He was linked with QPR and there was a thread about him on one of their forums, with a couple people saying he'd be a good signing. Dunno really, but he's had excellent tutelage at Arsenal and captained their youth teams.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Saturday 9 July 2016, 12:02:29 AM
If he's good enough for Rafa, he's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 9 July 2016, 12:37:00 AM
Hes f***ing incredible.
LOL
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 9 July 2016, 12:38:34 AM
As long as hes as good or better than Khizanishvili we should be alright.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 9 July 2016, 12:43:14 AM
Sensible signing with potential. Hopefully a permanent deal or loan with option.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 9 July 2016, 01:15:52 AM
As long as hes as good or better than Khizanishvili we should be alright.
Can he skin the linesman then get his cross in?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:35:07 AM
Medical today apparently :)
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:17:51 AM
Medical today apparently :)

Who's saying this?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:19:21 AM
Medical today apparently :)

Who's saying this?

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/newcastle-united/latest-nufc-news/arsenal-s-isaac-hayden-set-for-medical-ahead-of-proposed-newcastle-move-1-8005687 (http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/newcastle-united/latest-nufc-news/arsenal-s-isaac-hayden-set-for-medical-ahead-of-proposed-newcastle-move-1-8005687)

Miles Starforth
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:59:03 AM
Medical today apparently :)

Who's saying this?

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/newcastle-united/latest-nufc-news/arsenal-s-isaac-hayden-set-for-medical-ahead-of-proposed-newcastle-move-1-8005687 (http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/newcastle-united/latest-nufc-news/arsenal-s-isaac-hayden-set-for-medical-ahead-of-proposed-newcastle-move-1-8005687)

Miles Starforth

Brilliant. Don't know anything about him to be honest but if Rafa see's him as good enough, that'll do for me.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:04:57 AM
Aye, never seen him play either. Going by Wiki (:lol:) Wenger has described him as strong and good when it comes to concentration. Statistically he had the best passing accuracy of all the centre backs in the Championship. The little i've read he's supposed to be good on the ball as well. Wonder if Rafa sees him at CB or DM. Seems versatile and only 21 years old. Sounds like a good signing that can only get better.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:08:11 AM
Aye, never seen him play either. Going by Wiki (:lol:) Wenger has described him as strong and good when it comes to concentration. Statistically he had the best passing accuracy of all the centre backs in the Championship. The little i've read he's supposed to be good on the ball as well. Wonder if Rafa sees him at CB or DM. Seems versatile and only 21 years old. Sounds like a good signing that can only get better.

Wenger likes him it seems then and Rafa as well, must have something going for him then.

Wonder if it's a loan or a permanent transfer?.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Foluwashola on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:10:01 AM
Who?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:11:27 AM
Isaac Hayden.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: STM on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:12:38 AM
As long as we have an option.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: U2 on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:13:19 AM
Aye, never seen him play either. Going by Wiki (:lol:) Wenger has described him as strong and good when it comes to concentration. Statistically he had the best passing accuracy of all the centre backs in the Championship. The little i've read he's supposed to be good on the ball as well. Wonder if Rafa sees him at CB or DM. Seems versatile and only 21 years old. Sounds like a good signing that can only get better.

Wenger likes him it seems then and Rafa as well, must have something going for him then.

Wonder if it's a loan or a permanent transfer?.

He has 12 months left on his Arsenal deal and I don't think he's regarded as a first team prospect so I can see us getting him on a full transfer or loan plus first option.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:14:06 AM
Not even bothered if we have an option tbh. Looks like this will be cover for the first-team so if we can get that this season without spending, great.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:21:35 AM
Arsenal supporting mate reckons he's nowt special mind but I suppose if he was then Wenger wouldn't be flogging him. He'll do as competition/backup for Mbemba, Lascelles and hopefully another senior CB.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: STM on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:25:00 AM
Arsenal supporting mate reckons he's nowt special mind but I suppose if he was then Wenger wouldn't be flogging him. He'll do as competition/backup for Mbemba, Lascelles and hopefully another senior CB.

DM by all accounts. Although, he's versatile.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Saturday 9 July 2016, 09:26:13 AM
Miles Starforth saying its a permanent deal and he's being brung in as a DM.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 9 July 2016, 09:30:31 AM
Our own Eric Dier then. Nice.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:10:27 AM
Miles Starforth saying its a permanent deal and he's being brung in as a DM.

Starforth has been on the ball so far.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:21:09 AM
Can't see him being particularly good. Assume Rafa can see a player he can mould in there.

He'll get a bit of a free pass because he's "only young" but that's BS. 21 isnt 'young'. Mbemba is 21 and played 3 seasons as a starter in the top leagues in Belgium and England. Hayden has 18 starts for a first team in his whole career
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:24:50 AM
He'll probably be a squad player. Someone as cover for DM who can fill in at CB.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:26:10 AM
It's not an exciting signing by any means really. There's one thing that makes me positive about him anyway, one man, and that is Benitez. Just look at Lascelles for example who looked like everything but a footballer the few minutes he played for us, and he couldn't even get in the Forest team for a while iirc? Then Rafa came in and he played really well at PL level against good opposition.

Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Chicken Dancer on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:37:39 AM
Can't see him being particularly good. Assume Rafa can see a player he can mould in there.

He'll get a bit of a free pass because he's "only young" but that's BS. 21 isnt 'young'. Mbemba is 21 and played 3 seasons as a starter in the top leagues in Belgium and England. Hayden has 18 starts for a first team in his whole career

He'll be fine. Will play at least 25 games next year, whether that's a start or from the bench. Will do him the world of good, and he's only 21. Hull fans seem gutted they arnt getting him permanently, and they're a Premier League club. Good signing.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:38:14 AM
The new James Perch.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: KDT on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:54:58 AM
It's a no lose signing really, it'll be a smallish fee for a player who has Championship experience, has gone through arguably the best academy in the country and has time to improve.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Rocker on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:56:39 AM
You're never going to get a complete DM at 21. He's in more than capable hands with Rafa. If he's an athlete, I have more faith in Rafa to nurture him tactically than Bruce.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 9 July 2016, 11:16:22 AM
Hopefully he's a decent unit and can get about the pitch. If so he's already better than Colback as he'll be able to complete physically.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Chicken Dancer on Saturday 9 July 2016, 11:17:49 AM
Not sure if Giggs but Chronicle reporting medical has been passed :thup:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ash on Saturday 9 July 2016, 11:27:03 AM
Can't see him being particularly good. Assume Rafa can see a player he can mould in there.

He'll get a bit of a free pass because he's "only young" but that's BS. 21 isnt 'young'. Mbemba is 21 and played 3 seasons as a starter in the top leagues in Belgium and England. Hayden has 18 starts for a first team in his whole career

Some people develop at different ages, mad I know. And 21 certainly is young, especially when you look at the amount of games he's played.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: La Parka on Saturday 9 July 2016, 11:29:53 AM
Looks either footed. Good control on my Wise report.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 9 July 2016, 12:01:48 PM
Isaac Hayden? Was good voicing Chef on South Park, the episode where they killed him off was class. Dunno what he's like as a DM though.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: sbnufc on Saturday 9 July 2016, 12:16:33 PM
Can't see him being particularly good. Assume Rafa can see a player he can mould in there.

He'll get a bit of a free pass because he's "only young" but that's BS. 21 isnt 'young'. Mbemba is 21 and played 3 seasons as a starter in the top leagues in Belgium and England. Hayden has 18 starts for a first team in his whole career

Some people develop at different ages, mad I know. And 21 certainly is young, especially when you look at the amount of games he's played.
That's more to do with lack of experience, not age.  Same thing with Darlow, you hear he's a "young goalkeeper".  Lad is 24. He was just inexperienced
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 9 July 2016, 01:13:23 PM
Where were Song and Coquelin at 21 years old?

I will always be excited about a player that has come through at Arsenal, even if they haven't established themselves yet. I think the odds are good that he will be quality, and until he proves to be otherwise I'm going with that.

Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Saturday 9 July 2016, 01:14:19 PM
Possibly our greatest ever signing.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Mikky on Saturday 9 July 2016, 01:15:57 PM
Looks either footed. Good control on my Wise report.

This
He can pass a ball which is a good start in my book
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Sammys_Tekkers on Saturday 9 July 2016, 01:29:38 PM
Isaac Hayden? Was good voicing Chef on South Park, the episode where they killed him off was class. Dunno what he's like as a DM though.

Yeah, don't think he's a very good DM considering he's dead. Quite baffling how he managed to pass the medical though as you'd think it would have been a bit of an issue.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Deckard 13 on Saturday 9 July 2016, 01:31:32 PM
Looks to be 6'1 and change. Might be that Rafa's looked at our tiny midfield and he's trying to address it. Were quite a short team and that could be exploited in the Championship.

Unexciting but when you have to do a full refresh of a squad full of s*** you need decent players to make numbers. A few years ago we were signing Amalfitano so in comparison how bad can this be?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Foluwashola on Saturday 9 July 2016, 01:32:38 PM
Possibly our greatest ever signing.

:lol:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Raconteur on Saturday 9 July 2016, 02:23:06 PM
Seem to remember wacko saying Rafa signed millions of players at Liverpool of this sort of ilk - low-risk and low-cost players who might be s****, but might just do a job for us. f*** knows we barely had an XI when we went down, let alone a squad.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:26:48 PM
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Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:27:23 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:27:45 PM
Welcome Isaac.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:28:45 PM
We love a 5 year deal
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:31:09 PM
Read £2.5m somewhere, but i have no idea where.  Probably on twitter so take it with a fist of salt.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:33:09 PM
Permanent, great stuff. I don't tend to mind loaning players in our current situation, but committing to the responsibility of developing our own players is a much better way of doing things. Quite like the sound of this guy, too. Comes with decent pedigree, as far as players who haven't made it in the PL (yet) go.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: antz1uk on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:38:24 PM
Did wenger and Benitez get on previously? All I can remember is them both despising Ferguson
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 04:40:04 PM
Did wenger and Benitez get on previously? All I can remember is them both despising Ferguson

Not sure but i watched Rafa Benitez "My Story" the other day and Wenger talked very highly about him. Could have changed since then though.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Flip on Saturday 9 July 2016, 05:12:04 PM
Like this signing just because we're basically going young with a player that can play in two positions where we need depth. Can't be worse than Steven Taylor and can't be worse than Colback so definitely an improvement. Also, I trust Rafa.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Saturday 9 July 2016, 05:16:15 PM
Nominating him as my player of the season in the predictions thread asap.

THE NEXT JAMES PERCH.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: TRon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 05:22:05 PM
Defensive midfield - key area addressed. Rafa is destroying any hope for other championship clubs. Just hand the trophy over now.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 9 July 2016, 05:28:06 PM
Remember the days when threads would go into double figure page numbers before they'd be confirmed? Doing things far too efficiently. Or is this forum just that good that the Transfer Rumours Thread absorbs a lot of it
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 9 July 2016, 05:41:31 PM
Defensive midfield - key area addressed. Rafa is destroying any hope for other championship clubs. Just hand the trophy over now.

Or the most epic fail in championship history. We should be far better on paper but this is definitely a different championship to the last time we were there. Villa will go all out in the transfer market, several other clubs have new owners too. I am 100% confident we are giving ourselves the best chance possible though which is all we can hope for.


Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: AndersonButler on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:08:50 PM
Lee Ryder has spelt his name as Hayden Isaac, Issac Hayden and Isaac Hayden in the last hour... :lol:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Darth Crooks on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:14:57 PM
Lee Ryder has spelt his name as Hayden Isaac, Issac Hayden and Isaac Hayden in the last hour... :lol:

Isaac Hayes
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: GeordieT on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:15:03 PM
Lee Ryder has spelt his name as Hayden Isaac, Issac Hayden and Isaac Hayden in the last hour... :lol:

Was Isaac Hanley last night.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:15:48 PM
What a wicked game you play to make me feel this way
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:22:17 PM
He's been shafted.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:35:35 PM
Wlecome Zack Hanley
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:36:40 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 9 July 2016, 06:37:47 PM
What a wicked game you play to make me feel this way
[emoji38]
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Jayson on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:31:04 PM
Defensive midfield - key area addressed. Rafa is destroying any hope for other championship clubs. Just hand the trophy over now.

Yeah lets not get massively carried away and ahead of ourselves or anything.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Disco on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Never heard of him. Hope he's good.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: triggs on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:32:50 PM
Defensive midfield - key area addressed. Rafa is destroying any hope for other championship clubs. Just hand the trophy over now.

Yeah lets not get massively carried away and ahead of ourselves or anything.
Yeah that post is pure :anguish:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Jayson on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:38:30 PM
Im fairly sure its a certifiable fact that if we expect to do well, we will not do well.

Recent steps to success have been, get thrashed by a lower league team before the season starts. Hate the new manager. Expect us not to get the best manager we've had in recent years. Then definitely expect him not to stay.

Lets not change this winning formula.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: STM on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:42:31 PM
There's a good chance that this kid is composed on the ball, given the Arsenal coaching, which is a great starting point.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Chrisjraby on Saturday 9 July 2016, 07:44:04 PM
Never heard of him. Hope he's good.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:10:55 PM
Im fairly sure its a certifiable fact that if we expect to do well, we will not do well.

Because how we receive things on the internet relates to real life results :lol:

I mean i have heard of superstition but that's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:17:53 PM
Im fairly sure its a certifiable fact that if we expect to do well, we will not do well.

Because how we receive things on the internet relates to real life results :lol:

I mean i have heard of superstition but that's ridiculous.
yeah its just as simple as regardless of how we feel things will not go well
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Jayson on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:37:01 PM
Im fairly sure its a certifiable fact that if we expect to do well, we will not do well.

Because how we receive things on the internet relates to real life results :lol:

I mean i have heard of superstition but that's ridiculous.

Its more that its embarassing if you're overly cocky about how easy it will be, when things are rarely that simple. How have you not learnt that lesson after your Iceland nonsense.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: triggs on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:43:25 PM
Im fairly sure its a certifiable fact that if we expect to do well, we will not do well.

Because how we receive things on the internet relates to real life results :lol:

I mean i have heard of superstition but that's ridiculous.

Its more that its embarassing if you're overly cocky about how easy it will be, when things are rarely that simple. How have you not learnt that lesson after your Iceland nonsense.
Especially in a thread about a player we have signed who couldn't get into Hull's team last season
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Disco on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:45:30 PM
Im fairly sure its a certifiable fact that if we expect to do well, we will not do well.

Because how we receive things on the internet relates to real life results :lol:

I mean i have heard of superstition but that's ridiculous.

Its more that its embarassing if you're overly cocky about how easy it will be, when things are rarely that simple. How have you not learnt that lesson after your Iceland nonsense.
Especially in a thread about a player we have signed who couldn't get into Hull's team last season

Steve Bruce doesn't know his gigantic arse from his elbow in fairness.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:47:03 PM
Aye Bruce was probably right not to play him, he must be s***, just like HBA was when he had him  :D
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 08:47:11 PM
Didn't he start almost every game for them once he actually got the chance at the end of the season? Could be wrong. Doesn't change the fact that it's gonna be a tough season.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Jayson on Saturday 9 July 2016, 09:00:39 PM
May have thought Mole quoted a different post then to be fair to him  :lol:

The stuff about us needing to expect to do badly was a joke, think most of us trust Rafa to do well.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Minhosa on Saturday 9 July 2016, 09:24:52 PM
My Arsenal supporting mate reckons he's very well thought of there and has represented England at all age levels to date.

Seems to think he'll end up being a very good player.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Crumpy Gunt on Saturday 9 July 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Aye Bruce was probably right not to play him, he must be s***, just like HBA was when he had him  :D
The same HBA than ran less yardage than the 'keeper?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: nemtizz on Saturday 9 July 2016, 09:46:54 PM
Don't bite.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 9 July 2016, 09:54:40 PM
Has he rejected the chance to not sign from arsenal yet?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: TRon on Saturday 9 July 2016, 10:28:20 PM
Defensive midfield - key area addressed. Rafa is destroying any hope for other championship clubs. Just hand the trophy over now.

Yeah lets not get massively carried away and ahead of ourselves or anything.

It wasn't meant to be taken at literal value, I would have thought that was pretty obvious tbh.

Quote
Im fairly sure its a certifiable fact that if we expect to do well, we will not do well.

That on the other hand just sounds like superstitious bullshit.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 9 July 2016, 11:35:22 PM
Can't wait to challenge for the yardage cup next year. Its what I've dreamed of since I was a young lad.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 9 July 2016, 11:42:40 PM
Aye Bruce was probably right not to play him, he must be s***, just like HBA was when he had him  :D
The same HBA than ran less yardage than the 'keeper?

 :cba:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: morla84 on Sunday 10 July 2016, 09:00:47 AM
The next 'James Perch' from all accounts
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Sunday 10 July 2016, 09:57:11 AM
The next 'James Perch' from all accounts
ITK.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:02:29 AM
This c*** signed yet?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Elliottman on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:05:04 AM
Anyone have a link to a hull forum and their thought? Had a look but can't find anything
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:09:29 AM
Anyone have a link to a hull forum and their thought? Had a look but can't find anything
Seen a lot of praise for him from Arsenal fans over the last 24 hours but nothing at all really from Hull.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Sunday 10 July 2016, 12:09:46 PM
Deals off apparently, we were concerned about his yardage.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 10 July 2016, 01:22:03 PM
Hopefully this means Colback gets less game time.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: summerof69 on Sunday 10 July 2016, 01:26:13 PM
After Dennis wishing him, he seems big, strong, quick, with a good first touch and likes to win the ball early
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: khay on Sunday 10 July 2016, 03:14:18 PM
Confirm Monday? Once everyone is back in the office.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 10 July 2016, 03:15:12 PM
looks strong, quick, and very comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: palnese on Sunday 10 July 2016, 07:06:34 PM

Hmm
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 10 July 2016, 07:10:01 PM
Really, palnese? :shifty:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 10 July 2016, 07:11:36 PM
Looks like a reliable account. Just like the one you posted in the Cisse thread yesterday
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: palnese on Sunday 10 July 2016, 07:12:37 PM
:thup:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Sunday 10 July 2016, 07:13:28 PM
Who has the time to make all that s*** up? :lol: Sad b******s.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: GeordieT on Sunday 10 July 2016, 07:21:00 PM
That not someone documenting their FIFA exploits? :lol:
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Sunday 10 July 2016, 07:24:13 PM
That not someone documenting their FIFA exploits? :lol:

Even worse.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: afar on Monday 11 July 2016, 05:11:21 AM
What happened to this deal ?
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Eddy Chibas on Monday 11 July 2016, 07:47:34 AM
looks strong, quick, and very comfortable on the ball.

The Anti-Colback basically.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Crumpy Gunt on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:58:01 AM
Signed on loan.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: palnese on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:59:56 AM
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: nufcjb on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:12:33 AM
Loan? Not the usual 5 year deal then. Hmm
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: TK-421 on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:15:56 AM
Wait and see when its officially announced. It was SSN Pete Graves who tweeted it was a 5yr Permanent deal over weekend.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: morla84 on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:39:59 AM
That tweet about him winning motm on some kids fifa obviously made Arsenal think twice about letting him go permanently
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: palnese on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:54:39 AM
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:06:16 AM
Has anyone ever seen him play?

[Insert 'I trust Rafa' sentence here]
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:07:59 AM
Has anyone ever seen him play?

[Insert 'I trust Rafa' sentence here]

YouTube actually has a decent amount of footage of him in preseason for Arsenal.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:08:46 AM
Ah cheers, didn't bother looking because I assumed there'd be nowt.
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: sempuki on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:12:29 AM
Signed:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NUFC/status/752429876544729088
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: Ikon on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:13:49 AM
:)
Title: Re: Chronicle: Hayden Isaac Hayden passes medical, set to sign from Arsenal
Post by: joeyt on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:13:56 AM
Look at my red trousers
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:15:58 AM
He'll hawk any old s*** on Twitter like. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: U2 on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:17:59 AM
He'll hawk any old s*** on Twitter like. Fair play to him.

Isaac Hayden ‏@IsaacHayden65
Cheers Mike for these massive Sports Direct mugs.  Put the kettle on!
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:20:44 AM
Looks like he won't be beaten in a race by Shane Long twice every season, so good signing :thup:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:23:00 AM
Looks a bit of a unit  O0
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: ads on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:24:59 AM
Nice trousers :puke:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: 54 on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:25:47 AM
Already in Ireland :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:26:34 AM
Before Rafa we would have given him a week off then forgotten we'd signed him.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:26:43 AM
Absolutely love how quick we're moving on our targets, still the best part of a month for Rafa to work with the new lads.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Parsley on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:27:52 AM
He's even taken Perch's old number by the looks.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: John P on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:32:49 AM
Watched snippets from a couple of interviews when he was at Hull, seems like a good lad, speaks well.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: chopey on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:37:39 AM
The red trousers gets a big tick from me.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:39:03 AM
For those that need fee info
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:42:43 AM
For those that need fee info

That's actually quite a big fee for him imho.

Looks an absolute tank to be fair.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ikon on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:45:37 AM
Big??
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: U2 on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Big??

Only 1 year left on his contract with Arsenal.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: STM on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:47:36 AM
That's five signings before a ball has been kicked in anger.

Miles off the usual disorganised bullshit.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:48:43 AM
That's five signings before a ball has been kicked in anger.

Miles off the usual disorganised bullshit.

Still can't quite believe what's going on. Why the f*** Mike didn't do this when he first bought the club I'll never know.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:49:15 AM
Big??

Yeah - one year left, hardly any experience and never likely to break through to their squad.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: U2 on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:50:08 AM
That's five signings before a ball has been kicked in anger.

Miles off the usual disorganised bullshit.

We made our 1st signing of the summer on this day last year :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:50:12 AM
Big??

Yeah - one year left, hardly any experience and never likely to break through to their squad.

They'll have been due compensation anyway so it'll skew it somewhat.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Dave on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:50:43 AM
http://www.rafabenitez.com/web/in/whats-on/hayden-another-new-signing/205/

No more Toons. :(
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: chopey on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:51:29 AM
That's five signings before a ball has been kicked in anger.

Miles off the usual disorganised bullshit.

Still can't quite believe what's going on. Why the f*** Mike didn't do this when he first bought the club I'll never know.

I'm still convinced Pardew had a lot to do with the transfer policy he seemed more concerned about making a good deal for Mike than making a team and also the less he spent the less presure on him to do well.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:52:28 AM
Big??

Yeah - one year left, hardly any experience and never likely to break through to their squad.

They'll have been due compensation anyway so it'll skew it somewhat.

:thup:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:08:02 AM
THE NEW JAMES PERCH
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: joeyt on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:12:29 AM
We're signing quite a few biblical names: Jesus, Isaac, Matthew and Dwight
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Lotus on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:31:13 AM
We're signing quite a few biblical names: Jesus, Isaac, Matthew and Dwight

:lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: sbnufc on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:32:09 AM
In his interview the reporter says "the squad are heading to Ireland this weekend" and Hayden says "Yeah, it's good to get it done before going away to Ireland"

Wonder what the hold up was in announcing it.  Have they deliberately left him off all the training pics from the first two days in Ireland? :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:35:04 AM
In his interview the reporter says "the squad are heading to Ireland this weekend" and Hayden says "Yeah, it's good to get it done before going away to Ireland"

Wonder what the hold up was in announcing it.  Have they deliberately left him off all the training pics from the first two days in Ireland? :lol:
might have been a hold up on paperwork with us/arsenal/fa to confirm it
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: STM on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:35:41 AM
In his interview the reporter says "the squad are heading to Ireland this weekend" and Hayden says "Yeah, it's good to get it done before going away to Ireland"

Wonder what the hold up was in announcing it.  Have they deliberately left him off all the training pics from the first two days in Ireland? :lol:

Possibly did the interview in the anticipation that the deal would go through. Probably needed it confirmed by the football league before it was rubber stamped etc.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: joeyt on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:35:54 AM
Needed a work permit
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Incognito on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:42:06 AM
Needed a work permit
After being introduced to Charnley, apparently Charnley believes him to be a native of Louisiana.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Scoot on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:46:25 AM
http://www.rafabenitez.com/web/in/whats-on/hayden-another-new-signing/205/

No more Toons. :(

Rafa Out!
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: High Five o/ on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:52:40 AM
Never heard about him, but i wish him good luck.  :aww:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: 54 on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:11:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnFGBGQXgAAYMsf.jpg)
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: loki679 on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:16:18 PM
Isn't 'infamous' a bad thing? :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Mr Logic on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:20:23 PM
Think this lad could be a diamond. Might even see Shelvey getting the space he needs with Hayden alongside him as protection.

/proud member: Dennis Wise Academy of Scouting.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Nobody on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:22:44 PM
If he takes Colback's place in the starting XI :sweetjesus:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: U2 on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:23:01 PM
Yup :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: LRD on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:26:12 PM
Isn't 'infamous' a bad thing? :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:36:51 PM
Ffs man it was all going well till he wrote that :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:40:43 PM
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20160711/hayden-how-meeting-rafa-made-my-mind-up_2281670_5720282

 :D :D
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:41:46 PM
I don't want to be infamous, I want to be .....famous.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: John P on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:42:41 PM
Imagine being a young lad and Rafa talks to you for 2 hours about your game and tactics. You'd sign on the f***ing spot.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: U2 on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:43:33 PM
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20160711/hayden-how-meeting-rafa-made-my-mind-up_2281670_5720282

 :D :D

Quote
"I met him in London in the middle of June and we had a good, two-hour long conversation," Hayden told nufcTV. "He explained a few things to me, what to improve and what I'm good at.

Rafa coaching signings before they've arrived :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:43:44 PM
I wanna be abhorred.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Nobody on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:46:38 PM
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20160711/hayden-how-meeting-rafa-made-my-mind-up_2281670_5720282

 :D :D

Quote
"I met him in London in the middle of June and we had a good, two-hour long conversation," Hayden told nufcTV. "He explained a few things to me, what to improve and what I'm good at.

Rafa coaching signings before they've arrived :lol:
Loved that bit :lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: High Five o/ on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:47:13 PM
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20160711/hayden-how-meeting-rafa-made-my-mind-up_2281670_5720282

 :D :D

You just know Rafa either would be a world class manager or he would be a smooth talking guy who owns a tavern in the south of spain renting out sunbeds in his speedo to middle aged birds who he occasionally bangs.
He is just that kind of guy our Rafa.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: loki679 on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:50:06 PM
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20160711/hayden-how-meeting-rafa-made-my-mind-up_2281670_5720282

 :D :D

So good having a proper, respected, influential manager again.  Reminds me of what the players used to say about speaking to Keegan or Sir Bobby, just being in their company and talking to them could lift you and inspire you.

Lascelles, Hayden, Mitro.  A decent spine of young lads who all seem to have heart and a good attitude.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:50:43 PM
Amazing breath of fresh air to have a manager as meticulous as Rafa in charge, seems like theres a good chance hes had signings earmarked even before the end of last season.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Lush Vlad on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:53:48 PM
The difference between Rafa talking to prospective new signings and how Pardew must have went on:

"UR A BALLER.  A REAL STREET FOOTBALLER."

"GREAT PLAYER.  NEED MORE FRET."

"You play on the front foot and that's my game.  ATAM.  GET BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:55:43 PM
Probably would have called him Izey or Hayedz.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Kanji on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:59:40 PM
The difference between Rafa talking to prospective new signings and how Pardew must have went on:

"UR A BALLER.  A REAL STREET FOOTBALLER."

"GREAT PLAYER.  NEED MORE FRET."

"You play on the front foot and that's my game.  ATAM.  GET BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

:lol:
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Kanji on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:00:38 PM
Probably would have called him Izey or Hayedz.

Would prob try to joke about his Jamaican heritage and say some Bob Marley reference or figure out how to talk about some girl's bumbaclot or some s*** too that weird creep
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:20:12 PM
Amazing breath of fresh air to have a manager as meticulous as Rafa in charge, seems like theres a good chance hes had signings earmarked even before the end of last season.

It's pretty amazing given staying up would have meant looking at a completely different set of players. Very impressive stuff.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: BottledDog on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:26:14 PM
Who was the last guy Rafa signed from Arsenal? Pennant?
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: joeyt on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:28:51 PM
Pennant came from Birmingham
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Anon on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:31:45 PM
More interesting that he met the lad 3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: thomas on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:44:26 PM
Isn't 'infamous' a bad thing? :lol:
Oh, Dusty. Infamous is when you're MORE than famous. This stand, El Gallowgate, it's not just famous, it's INfamous.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: TRon on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:48:37 PM
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20160711/hayden-how-meeting-rafa-made-my-mind-up_2281670_5720282

 :D :D

Quote
"I met him in London in the middle of June and we had a good, two-hour long conversation," Hayden told nufcTV. "He explained a few things to me, what to improve and what I'm good at.

Rafa coaching signings before they've arrived :lol:

If John Carver talked to any player for two hours he'd probably end up threatening to lamp them.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Monday 11 July 2016, 03:06:21 PM
The yardage ratios must have been on point then.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Stal on Monday 11 July 2016, 03:16:36 PM
Isn't 'infamous' a bad thing? :lol:
Oh, Dusty. Infamous is when you're MORE than famous. This stand, El Gallowgate, it's not just famous, it's INfamous.

Three Amigos reference?
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 11 July 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Not sure why but I think this kid will turn out to be a decent signing for us
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Dan Gleebals on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:17:30 PM
An Arsenal supporting mate who has been a season ticket holder for 20+ years and whom also works in football journalism says he was well rated at Arsenal but like so many youngsters at Arsenal could not break through. He along with others he knows think he will be a hit with a decent manager and opportunity play.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:49:28 PM
THE NEXT JAMES PERCH
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:50:23 PM
Hope he's significantly better than Perch like.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Odear on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 01:11:11 PM
If John Carver ever tried that the only thing signed would be a restraining order.

Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Winn on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 04:49:30 PM
Most exited by this signing tbh
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ikon on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 04:52:47 PM
Most exited by this signing tbh

Where did you go?
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 04:55:08 PM
He looked decent against not much opposition in midfield last night. Put in a fair few big-ish tackles. Limited with his passing but I guess that's OK since his role is just to give the ball to someone else. Interesting to see him in competitive games where everything's a bit faster.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: hakka on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 05:06:30 PM
THE NEXT JAMES PERCH

Hate this bollocks. Each player is their own self, enough of putting labels on them before an official match ball has been kicked.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 05:11:58 PM
The next Geremi.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 05:14:59 PM
Next Trevor McDonald
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Scoot on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 05:21:45 PM
The current Marvin Humes.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Odear on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 05:32:00 PM
The new "Chef"
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 27 July 2016, 06:21:46 PM
The current Marvin Humes.

Correct, it's uncanny.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: U2 on Friday 29 July 2016, 07:00:30 PM
Isaac Hayden reveals the 'big difference' between Newcastle and Hull's promotion side

“The main difference between this team and Hull City last year is that we at Newcastle pass the ball a lot better than we did at Hull.”

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/isaac-hayden-reveals-big-difference-11672437

Think we're going to love this kid.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: hakka on Friday 5 August 2016, 08:41:36 PM
Our best midfielder that half. Hope it's a sign of things to come this season from him.

Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: U2 on Friday 5 August 2016, 08:43:37 PM
He looks capable of doing enough work to allow Shelvey a bit of freedom.
Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: Ikon on Friday 5 August 2016, 08:46:34 PM
Our best midfielder that half. Hope it's a sign of things to come this season from him.


Title: Re: Official: Isaac Hayden signs on a 5 year deal
Post by: LionOfGosforth on Friday 5 August 2016, 09:44:32 PM
Isaac Hayden reveals the 'big difference' between Newcastle and Hull's promotion side

The main difference between this team and Hull City last year is that we at Newcastle pass the ball a lot better than we did at Hull.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/isaac-hayden-reveals-big-difference-11672437

Think we're going to love this kid.

Hull must be desperate to watch like :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Friday 5 August 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Good first half, bad second, he just seems weak mentally and with all the shuddering before taking off, clearly looks like an Arsenal Midfielder :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: LionOfGosforth on Friday 5 August 2016, 09:47:28 PM
Good first half, bad second, he just seems weak mentally and with all the shuddering before taking off, clearly looks like an Arsenal Midfielder :lol:

Eh?  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dr Venkman on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:16:44 PM
Really like him so far, moves the ball quickly.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:17:51 PM
He looks alright. I don't like us playing with DMs, though. I'd like to see us play Diame and Shelvey (if Sissoko leaves) with either Perez or de Jong just in front.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:18:09 PM
First time I've seen him play and he looked pretty good. Neat and tidy passing and always wanting the ball.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:31:40 PM
Going to be a very good signing. Best CM we've got, without seeing Diame play. I would start him with Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:33:14 PM
First time I've seen him play and he looked pretty good. Neat and tidy passing and always wanting the ball.

Yep giving the ball to a more creative partner, ah, which was Colback... :lol:.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:34:21 PM
He's very Arsenal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:35:02 PM
He's a good player and like him a ton.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:43:17 PM
He looks alright. I don't like us playing with DMs, though. I'd like to see us play Diame and Shelvey (if Sissoko leaves) with either Perez or de Jong just in front.
Better be playing with a high line and the intention of pressing high because the amount of space those two would leave behind them would see any half decent 10 dip us to shreds.

Let us not forget why wide open 4-4-2 are a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:45:47 PM
A fairly wide open 4-4-2 saw us dick everything in sight in the latter half of our last Championship season. Just saying.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:49:59 PM
Really like him so far, moves the ball quickly.

Yeah, he looks miles better than Colback already in that regard although that's not saying much.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Friday 5 August 2016, 10:50:27 PM
Liking him so far. :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Friday 5 August 2016, 11:11:36 PM
Thought he stood out today like, looked very neat and tidy. Miles ahead of Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Friday 5 August 2016, 11:13:07 PM
A fairly wide open 4-4-2 saw us dick everything in sight in the latter half of our last Championship season. Just saying.

Correct but the two teams that won auto promotion last season did so on the back of rigid, awful football.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 6 August 2016, 06:50:06 AM
A fairly wide open 4-4-2 saw us dick everything in sight in the latter half of our last Championship season. Just saying.

We played a 4-4-2 first half against Arnhem, Colback and Hayden as central two. Rafa in his interview with Ian Holloway, suggested that this is one of the formations he wants the team to play.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:19:20 AM
A fairly wide open 4-4-2 saw us dick everything in sight in the latter half of our last Championship season. Just saying.

Correct but the two teams that won auto promotion last season did so on the back of rigid, awful football.

What's the aim then this season?  It's promotion or bust for the club, don't care how we win.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:21:30 AM
does he look a candidate for a central spot with diame then?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:41:56 AM
Possibly. I wasn't mega impressed by him, but he looks like a player who constantly has a good awareness of his surroundings. As a DM though, I'd have liked to see him be a bit snappier in the tackle, but it's been one match.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dr Venkman on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:43:11 AM
does he look a candidate for a central spot with diame then?

In short, yes
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:43:17 AM
Thought he was absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:46:07 AM
He's good, wins the ball well and keeps possession ticking over, just needs someone more forward thinking next to him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 6 August 2016, 10:14:11 AM
does he look a candidate for a central spot with diame then?

Not sure about that. He's probably a couple of years away from being a good DM given that experience that position requires and in an attacking sense he won't give you as much as Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Flip on Saturday 6 August 2016, 10:17:15 AM
does he look a candidate for a central spot with diame then?

Not sure about that. He's probably a couple of years away from being a good DM given that experience that position requires and in an attacking sense he won't give you as much as Shelvey.

I think all three can play if we get another winger to cut in from one side. Leaves Diame and Shelvey free to do what they do well in midfield while Hayden just stays behind doing what he did for the first half yesterday. That obviously is dependant on us getting another winger like Ritchie who can provide width, pace and ability. Reason I think a 4-3-3 is the best way to play is because I think we need to prepare for the PL, a two man midfield in the PL is near impossible so Hayden behind Shelvey and Diame gives us a bit of everything I'd believe.

Nonetheless if it's a two man midfield it's Shelvey and Diame anyways for me :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 6 August 2016, 10:20:48 AM
433 seems the best formation for many reasons, I was quite surprised Rafa went straight 442 yesterday.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: binnsy on Saturday 6 August 2016, 10:34:26 AM
first time i have seen this lad play and thought he looked decent, was good for 60 mins but faded in the 2nd half.  Plenty more to come from him and looks like we have a potentially top player in the making.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Saturday 6 August 2016, 11:23:15 AM
Was the best player on the park.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Saturday 6 August 2016, 04:23:09 PM
Neat and tidy, but needs to be more dominant. Bit like Arsenal really...
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 6 August 2016, 05:04:51 PM
Without being great I was impressed by some of his passing and seems pretty strong and powerful in midfield, give him a proper partner and I think he could be good.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 6 August 2016, 05:37:18 PM
Neat and tidy, but needs to be more dominant. Bit like Arsenal really...

He doesn't really, he just needs to be partnered with someone who isn't Colback :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Saturday 6 August 2016, 05:45:50 PM
Anita.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 6 August 2016, 06:57:03 PM
Anita.

No, i'm sick of seeing two defensive midfielders, i was sick of seeing it in the Premiership let alone in the Championship.

Why we can't have Hayden in front of the defence and then Shelvey and Diame in front of him if it's to be one up front, unfortunately that's not going to happen as Rafa is basically commited to two holding players almost 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 6 August 2016, 07:00:32 PM
Possibly. I wasn't mega impressed by him, but he looks like a player who constantly has a good awareness of his surroundings. As a DM though, I'd have liked to see him be a bit snappier in the tackle, but it's been one match.

He doesn't seem to be your Mascherano all action type but more of a Busquets in that he anticipates stuff and keeps possession ticking over. (I know Busquets is passing is better than that but you know what I mean)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Saturday 6 August 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Possibly. I wasn't mega impressed by him, but he looks like a player who constantly has a good awareness of his surroundings. As a DM though, I'd have liked to see him be a bit snappier in the tackle, but it's been one match.

He doesn't seem to be your Mascherano all action type but more of a Busquets in that he anticipates stuff and keeps possession ticking over. (I know Busquets is passing is better than that but you know what I mean)
This is what I thought as well, he looks to have modeled his game on Busquets.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ujpest doza on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:50:36 PM
Head and Shoulders above everyone else last night, our best player by miles.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Flip on Saturday 6 August 2016, 09:55:18 PM
Head and Shoulders above everyone else last night, our best player by miles.


I don't get this, yeah he had a very good first half, but there's no way in hell he was better than Ritchie. No way.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 6 August 2016, 10:11:03 PM
He was as good IMO, in a different way obviously. Really hope he's not the one to be sacrificed for Diame.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: midds on Saturday 6 August 2016, 10:30:55 PM
Played well but most of the time he was just ticking things over under little or no pressure. The whole team needs to shift 15 yards up the pitch and get beyond the ball and provide options to the bloke in possession. Too many men behind the ball, too conservative and a lack of options in the final third. He's not the problem but we need to change the approach.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Monday 8 August 2016, 09:08:46 AM
Like the look of him.  But he needs someone next to him that can carry the ball forward and look to pass forward, as well.  Spent about an hour just passing it sideways, backwards and then hoofing it from the back.  We created sod all.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Monday 8 August 2016, 09:14:05 AM
Yeah, he looked good. He'll look even better with someone with ability beside him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Winn on Monday 8 August 2016, 09:51:16 AM
Very hopeful.
It's a real shame he will be dropped for Diame rather than Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 8 August 2016, 10:41:38 AM
In the second half he looked like a kid which he is. That would be okay if he had a proper CM alongside him that will take responsibility.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: AY on Monday 8 August 2016, 11:05:56 AM
Played well but most of the time he was just ticking things over under little or no pressure. The whole team needs to shift 15 yards up the pitch and get beyond the ball and provide options to the bloke in possession. Too many men behind the ball, too conservative and a lack of options in the final third. He's not the problem but we need to change the approach.

Naah, he dribbled past Fulham midfielders couple of times, wanted for the ball all the time, made few important tackles. Just needs someone better next to him. Faded in the second half of course.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:34:40 PM
Really like this lad, think he will turn out to be quite the player for us.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:35:35 PM
Sounds like he's had another good night.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nemtizz on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:36:57 PM
Anyone who was at the game comment on how he did defensively?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:37:37 PM
Anyone who was at the game comment on how he did defensively?

Mate said he made a very good tackle first half that basically stopped a goal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Collage on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:39:18 PM
Seems like a good signing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:41:31 PM
Good that on one of the highlights he made a run from deep into the box. Hopefully he's more B2B than expected. Being able to run when paired with Shelvey is invaluable
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:41:53 PM
Arsenal eating their hearts out right now.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:58:52 PM
A goal and an assist for Hayden tonight.  He's a huge upgrade on Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 09:59:14 PM
Signing :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:00:20 PM
Nah I'm afraid you're wrong, I definitely read that he's w***.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:00:57 PM
:lol:

Soon as I saw him against Southend I was sold, he's right up my street.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nufc4eva on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:02:43 PM
Anyone who was at the game comment on how he did defensively?
I thought he was a bit s*** defensively, slow to react but decent moving forward, linked up well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Menace on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:04:35 PM
Arsenal eating their hearts out right now.

Yes, Xhaka must be feeling very lucky they sold Hayden.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:05:14 PM
This Dave is like the exact opposite of Dave this time last year :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:06:43 PM
Glad to hear he had another good night; seemed to be getting some very unfair criticism after Huddersfield.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:08:52 PM
He played s*** against Huddersfield TBF, but seeing him before that reassured me he'd be alright.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: loki679 on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:08:57 PM
Early days but he seems canny.  Best thing is he's only going to improve with games and experience and learning under Rafa.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Chicken Dancer on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:10:20 PM
Interesting that he played more of the box-to-box type tonight. Played really well, as did Shelvey in my opinion.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:10:24 PM
Hopefully we can get someone alongside him with a bit of mobility, maybe Diame will do.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:11:19 PM
:lol:

Soon as I saw him against Southend I was sold, he's right up my street.

When we signed him I saw that he was described as a central defender/defensive midfielder I knew right then that he was being lined up as Colback's replacement. He'll grow into this role.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:16:51 PM
:lol:

Soon as I saw him against Southend I was sold, he's right up my street.

When we signed him I saw that he was described as a central defender/defensive midfielder I knew right then that he was being lined up as Colback's replacement. He'll grow into this role.

What's great is that we've seen several instances of him actually carrying the ball and playing decent forward passes, too. He and Perez worked really well for the assist tonight.

Looks like he could develop into a real all-rounder. Glad we got him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:33:55 PM
The more you see it back the better a finish it becomes. Very tidy and composed. Chuffed for the lad.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:39:51 PM
Bye jack
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:42:12 PM
Only seen the highlights but he probably got forward more tonight than Colback has since he signed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:42:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiRtMU0UYAATIg1.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Jesse Pinkman on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 10:46:52 PM
Was great tonight. Seemed to be all over the pitch.

Can see him building a good partnership with Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: NEEJ on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 11:33:29 PM
Bossed it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: huss9 on Wednesday 17 August 2016, 11:38:12 PM
better going forward than defensively.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: duo on Thursday 18 August 2016, 12:12:40 AM
better going forward than defensively.
Agreed thought he was lucky not to give a pen in second half.  Did well going forward though showed some determination for 4th goal
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ameritoon on Thursday 18 August 2016, 12:17:42 AM
Sounds pretty promising :thup: him, Ritchie and Gayle will be huge.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Thursday 18 August 2016, 12:24:11 AM
better going forward than defensively.


Probably because he was going forward.

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Thursday 18 August 2016, 01:31:13 AM
Thought he was very good, will continue to get better too.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Elliottman on Thursday 18 August 2016, 08:57:44 AM
Much better last night, more like what we've seen of him in pre season. Hopefully Huddersfield was just a bad day at the office.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 18 August 2016, 09:01:29 AM
He's young.  He's going to have inexplicable bad games.  He's going to show a lack of experience.  But he looks to have the ingredients of a good player.   
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Thursday 18 August 2016, 03:31:46 PM
Made the team of Midweek:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqJWHy6XgAA3KEz.jpg)

http://www.efl.com/news/article/2016/sky-bet-efl-team-of-midweek-3256682.aspx
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Thursday 18 August 2016, 03:32:50 PM
As did I....
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 18 August 2016, 03:33:33 PM
Lack of Shane Duffy

Didn't realise Garth Crooks did EFL teams of the week too
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Thursday 18 August 2016, 03:47:00 PM
Love the fact he's managing to affect our games so much, even though he's still clearly learning and figuring himself out as a player. Think he'll end up being more of a box to box player than we initially thought.

Goal and assist yesterday is really good stuff. Really exciting to have a young athletic midfielder like him in the team. It's been a while.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Thursday 18 August 2016, 04:14:16 PM
Love the fact he's managing to affect our games so much, even though he's still clearly learning and figuring himself out as a player. Think he'll end up being more of a box to box player than we initially thought.

Goal and assist yesterday is really good stuff. Really exciting to have a young athletic midfielder like him in the team. It's been a while.

Yeah he's a bit raw, but I really like that he's an athlete, and will give the box to box running that we have been missing with Colback and Anita. Not sure how good he'll look in the premier but he's holding up well at this level.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lotus on Thursday 18 August 2016, 04:18:30 PM
I look at that team of the week and i have no idea which way they're facing :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 18 August 2016, 04:18:48 PM
Goal and assist yesterday is really good stuff. Really exciting to have a young athletic midfielder like him in the team. It's been a while.

(http://cache.images.core.optasports.com/soccer/players/150x150/132629.png)

Wish we'd never got rid of Mehdi
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 18 August 2016, 04:20:58 PM
Aye, that was inexplicable.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Varadi on Thursday 18 August 2016, 04:41:33 PM
I look at that team of the week and i have no idea which way they're facing :lol:

:lol: Same
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 18 August 2016, 05:14:57 PM
Goal and assist yesterday is really good stuff. Really exciting to have a young athletic midfielder like him in the team. It's been a while.

(http://cache.images.core.optasports.com/soccer/players/150x150/132629.png)

Wish we'd never got rid of Mehdi

Wasn't it Carver who publicly berated him? c*** got sacked off Ammonia FC.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Thursday 18 August 2016, 05:34:18 PM
Goal and assist yesterday is really good stuff. Really exciting to have a young athletic midfielder like him in the team. It's been a while.

(http://cache.images.core.optasports.com/soccer/players/150x150/132629.png)

Wish we'd never got rid of Mehdi

Aaaaaaaaaaaah, miss this guy man. Was so excited about him. Shame.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 18 August 2016, 05:36:57 PM
Not in a racist way but he reminded me of Jenas when he first signed yesterday.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 18 August 2016, 06:14:19 PM
Jenas is the last athletic CM we've had imo. Think Barton and Parker ran around a lot but they made it look like hard work.   

Most games Jenas would play like a Fanny though. Hayden seems to enjoy the other side of the game more.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 18 August 2016, 09:48:42 PM
How the f*** is Gayle not in there?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Doc on Thursday 18 August 2016, 10:10:35 PM
How the f*** is Gayle not in there?

Couldn't decide wich way they were kicking? :cheesy:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:00:13 AM
Garth is absolutely spinning at that team, the mental c***. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gorilla on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:25:06 AM
How the f*** is Gayle not in there?
I was about to post this. Ritchie should be in there as well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: khay on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:35:41 AM
I look at that team of the week and i have no idea which way they're facing :lol:

:lol: Same

Add me. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: khay on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:36:17 AM
How the f*** is Gayle not in there?
I was about to post this. Ritchie should be in there as well.

Assuming you guys watched all the other games?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:41:06 AM
How the f*** is Gayle not in there?
I was about to post this. Ritchie should be in there as well.

Assuming you guys watched all the other games?
2 goals in 1 game should have had Gayle in there.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sixx on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:42:59 AM
Made the team of Midweek:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqJWHy6XgAA3KEz.jpg)

http://www.efl.com/news/article/2016/sky-bet-efl-team-of-midweek-3256682.aspx
Just realised I've never heard of anyone of these and I had no clue who Hayden was when we signed him. Glory days.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kaizero on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:44:28 AM
I look at that team of the week and i have no idea which way they're facing :lol:

The fun part is you'd think it was a 4-2-3-1. But no. It's actually a 3-2-2-2-1 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Friday 19 August 2016, 01:01:44 AM
How the f*** is Gayle not in there?
I was about to post this. Ritchie should be in there as well.

Assuming you guys watched all the other games?
2 goals in 1 game should have had Gayle in there.
Considering there were 72 teams in action, it is entirely possible that another striker did better then his this particular game week. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Fugazi on Friday 19 August 2016, 01:03:06 AM
Recognised Ched Evans and that was it
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:42:11 PM
Quote
Newcastle United’s man of the moment Isaac Hayden says that his childhood memories of watching the movie Goal inspired him to sign for the Magpies.

The former Arsenal midfielder has proved to be an instant hit with supporters and won man of the match against Reading this week during the 4-1 win.

Hayden looked delighted to score his first goal for the club against the Royals and admits even the thought of signing for Newcastle this summer had him excited.

The plot of Goal sees a Mexican youngster - Santiago Muñez - win a trial at United before proving to be a hit and playing alongside Alan Shearer , before eventually moving to Real Madrid.

Hayden said: “I’ll always remember watching Goal.

“I was only a kid and I remember thinking ‘Wow, if they’re making a film about Newcastle it must be some club.’

“Everything about it was just magical. It’s stuck in my memory ever since.

“Whatever has happened on the pitch, Newcastle has always been a big club to me.

“When I was growing up, watching Match of the Day, they were regularly a top-six side. I used to look at people like Alan Shearer, at the size of the crowd.

"What is it – 52,000? And that’s the same against Huddersfield as it is against Arsenal.

“How many other clubs would do that?

“This is an amazing club to play for and from the first conversation I had with Rafa Benitez , I knew this was the only place I wanted to go.”

United now travel to Bristol City looking to build on that win against Jaap Stam’s Reading.

Hayden, speaking to the League Paper, said: “The favourites tag will be on us all year.

“And Fulham was disappointing. Let’s not hide from that.

“We have to improve and make sure we do what the manager wants.”
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Friday 19 August 2016, 12:47:27 PM
Really like this kid. Hope he grows into a top midfielder here.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Friday 19 August 2016, 02:22:35 PM
Seen loads of good things from him but also a few weaknesses, jury still out I would say but think he has potential to be very good for us.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: morla84 on Saturday 20 August 2016, 07:49:16 AM
Quote
Newcastle United’s man of the moment Isaac Hayden says that his childhood memories of watching the movie Goal inspired him to sign for the Magpies.

The former Arsenal midfielder has proved to be an instant hit with supporters and won man of the match against Reading this week during the 4-1 win.

Hayden looked delighted to score his first goal for the club against the Royals and admits even the thought of signing for Newcastle this summer had him excited.

The plot of Goal sees a Mexican youngster - Santiago Muñez - win a trial at United before proving to be a hit and playing alongside Alan Shearer , before eventually moving to Real Madrid.

Hayden said: “I’ll always remember watching Goal.

“I was only a kid and I remember thinking ‘Wow, if they’re making a film about Newcastle it must be some club.’

“Everything about it was just magical. It’s stuck in my memory ever since.

“Whatever has happened on the pitch, Newcastle has always been a big club to me.

“When I was growing up, watching Match of the Day, they were regularly a top-six side. I used to look at people like Alan Shearer, at the size of the crowd.

"What is it – 52,000? And that’s the same against Huddersfield as it is against Arsenal.

“How many other clubs would do that?

“This is an amazing club to play for and from the first conversation I had with Rafa Benitez , I knew this was the only place I wanted to go.”

United now travel to Bristol City looking to build on that win against Jaap Stam’s Reading.

Hayden, speaking to the League Paper, said: “The favourites tag will be on us all year.

“And Fulham was disappointing. Let’s not hide from that.

“We have to improve and make sure we do what the manager wants.”
This was when I made me big screen debut, being in the stadium when they were filming him scoring at half time. Therefore I think of myself as the mastermind behind his move to Newcastle. Think he will keep progressing this season with regular games, after only getting a handful off pasty face last season
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 25 August 2016, 02:07:49 PM
In the England U21s squad
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Thursday 25 August 2016, 02:19:27 PM
Excellent :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: toontownman on Thursday 25 August 2016, 03:02:48 PM
Great news for the lad and us!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Scotty66 on Thursday 25 August 2016, 06:43:53 PM
Except when he comes back injured and is out for 4 months  :lol:

Like him a lot, impressive signing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Thursday 25 August 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Has all the attributes to be good for us in both the champ and prem, still not 100% there yet mind, but we've seen good moments from him both attacking and defensively already.

He looks like f***ing Xavi compared to Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 27 August 2016, 02:30:46 PM
Prophecy: future full international and the club captain who lifts our premiership trophy in four years time. Yep, 2020 vision. (Apols for the re-hash, but I like it!)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: STM on Saturday 27 August 2016, 06:33:21 PM
Class this lad. Absolute snip.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Menace on Saturday 27 August 2016, 06:35:13 PM
Solid signing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Varadi on Saturday 27 August 2016, 07:44:23 PM
Classy player like, happy to receive the ball under pressure and you're not worried he'll lose it. Big strong lad as well, could be our DM for years to come.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Shelvey's Hair on Saturday 27 August 2016, 07:56:35 PM
Fast becoming my favourite player.. solid.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Saturday 27 August 2016, 07:58:17 PM
Class player in the last few games, hope he carries this on and keeps improving.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 27 August 2016, 07:58:26 PM
Baller.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 27 August 2016, 07:59:11 PM
Bargain price for a good player, really looks the business.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: wormy on Saturday 27 August 2016, 08:09:49 PM
Big fan of this guy.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: HTT on Saturday 27 August 2016, 08:25:22 PM
He is a good player, but I want him to be more imposing, to get forward more, to be more dynamic. He's neat and tidy and a fine physical specimen so he has it in him...
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 27 August 2016, 08:42:51 PM
Quiet and confident.

If we'd lost: anonymous.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 27 August 2016, 11:15:26 PM
I'm fairly happy for him to keep it simple, although we might not need a holding midfielder in some games I'm happy for him to keep his discipline for the times it is needed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Nobody on Saturday 27 August 2016, 11:34:13 PM
Looks class this lad :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: afar on Saturday 27 August 2016, 11:42:22 PM
Seen loads of good things from him but also a few weaknesses, jury still out I would say but think he has potential to be very good for us.

Considering the fee we paid and the age of the lad, I don't need anymore convincing that this has been a great signing, I had my early doubts about the players he's brought in and the jury is still out on a few of them, but Hayden, Ritchie, Gayle and Diame, look like they could be excellent recruits.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Charlies on Saturday 27 August 2016, 11:47:15 PM
Seen loads of good things from him but also a few weaknesses, jury still out I would say but think he has potential to be very good for us.

Considering the fee we paid and the age of the lad, I don't need anymore convincing that this has been a great signing, I had my early doubts about the players he's brought in and the jury is still out on a few of them, but Hayden, Ritchie, Gayle and Diame, look like they could be excellent recruits.

:thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: midds on Saturday 27 August 2016, 11:55:35 PM
Looks a player. First time I've seen him live and was impressed.

Clam, good touch, passes it well and his positioning is good too. When we go up he'll be absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Sunday 28 August 2016, 12:18:49 AM
What a load of molluscs
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Sunday 28 August 2016, 12:37:18 AM
Really coming out of his shell.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Scoot on Sunday 28 August 2016, 12:44:50 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Jimburst on Sunday 28 August 2016, 12:46:20 AM
There's grit in this pearl.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Jimburst on Sunday 28 August 2016, 12:47:46 AM
I hated that
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: midds on Sunday 28 August 2016, 12:48:47 AM
Just seen it, ffs, ah whelk.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: triggs on Sunday 28 August 2016, 01:00:21 AM
He's able to play football which I like
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 28 August 2016, 02:42:58 AM
I must admit, if we absolutely have to play a DM I'd far rather it be someone who can play a bit of football than a meathead like Tiote. So obviously I'm happy we signed him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Shayno on Sunday 28 August 2016, 03:07:07 AM
Looks like a young Chris Hughton. Very impressive so far.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Sunday 28 August 2016, 03:46:58 AM
More reserved in his role today than the last couple. Definitely think he's more than a DM; he loves a solid challenge, aye, but impressed with some of his bursts and passing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Billy Pilgrim on Sunday 28 August 2016, 04:57:47 PM
Our best player yesterday, imo. He's something we've been looking for since Tiote went to s***. Really like how mobile and composed he is, you'd have thought he'd have had a chance at Arsenal. Really solid signing this one.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Altamullan on Sunday 28 August 2016, 10:17:23 PM
More reserved in his role today than the last couple. Definitely think he's more than a DM; he loves a solid challenge, aye, but impressed with some of his bursts and passing.
Alongside Colback he looks , and has to be, more 'progressive', alongside Shelvey he is going to have to sweep-up and cover more. Thankfully he's flexible, intelligent, has a bit of grit and self-belief, and reads the game really well. He's a proper modern (for that read traditional) central midfielder. Can do it all, but prioritises the good of the team and does what's needed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: 54 on Saturday 3 September 2016, 02:16:59 PM
http://stitched-files.bwh9c8255b4.netdna-cdn.com/stitchv3/skysportsfl72/eflweekly-hudson-haydenandwilder/dURzUi-CPlu4IEmzS9Xn8g.mp3?ci=541d425f-0439-4fa1-85a8-0cec4ce6edcf&st=zC5vqRwOswQLdMdSmXEYog&e=1472922415

From 39:55 onwards.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Mr Logic on Saturday 3 September 2016, 05:26:18 PM
Thanks for that. :thup:

Somehow I wasn't too surprised by the 'not so bright' nomination. :D
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Mikky on Saturday 3 September 2016, 06:01:42 PM
Speaks very well
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 3 September 2016, 07:12:54 PM
Quick delete all trace of the interview. We just got Jonjo looking like he is getting back to form, those comments will send him back six months again.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Cronky on Tuesday 6 September 2016, 08:05:47 AM
He sounded bright, but unfortunately not bright enough to duck that question about the thickest team mate.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Ikon on Tuesday 6 September 2016, 08:36:40 AM
He sounded bright, but unfortunately not bright enough to duck that question about the thickest team mate.

Everyone will take it brutally seriously. Can see Hayden being sold and Shelvey quit playing football.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Mr Logic on Tuesday 6 September 2016, 08:40:12 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden called up to England Under 21 squad
Post by: Lush Vlad on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 08:23:25 AM
Based on last night.  This guy is our best signing of the summer and represents great value.   

I'm not sure I remember him giving the ball away?  He wins a lot in the air, solid in the tackle, plays off both feet and just always looks so assured in possession.  He obviously took offence to Jonjo pinging diagonals.  So he pulled off an even better one to Ritchie, then another a minute later off his left foot. 

Everyone played well and there were so many good performances from the attacking players.  But if not for Shelvey basically being a 10/10.  He would have been my MOTM.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: John P on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 08:41:33 AM
Based on last night.  This guy is our best signing of the summer and represents great value.   

I'm not sure I remember him giving the ball away?  He wins a lot in the air, solid in the tackle, plays off both feet and just always looks so assured in possession.  He obviously took offence to Jonjo pinging diagonals.  So he pulled off an even better one to Ritchie, then another a minute later off his left foot. 

Everyone played well and there were so many good performances from the attacking players.  But if not for Shelvey basically being a 10/10.  He would have been my MOTM.

Great to hear, he's very quickly become an essential player in midfield for us and one we were severely lacking. His ability to put his foot in and be aggressive but also be athletic and good on the ball sets him apart from the majority of players in this league. Works really well with Shelvey and we got him for a relative pittance, could turn out to be a great signing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Yep.  You can tell he came through Arsenal's system.  He really does look comfortable on the ball and is happy to receive a pass in tight areas.  Usually just gets it out his feet, makes a quick turn and then moves the ball on quickly. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 09:06:53 AM
Getting better by the game. I expect this to be the case with every player with them being coached by Rafa.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 09:13:51 AM
We've gone from giving the ball to someone and just watch and hope that the player can do something on his own, to actually working as a fluid and organised unit and letting the ball do the job with lots of movement and quick play from one side to another or between opposition lines. So much more effective as a football team. I f***ing love it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 10:32:56 AM
This guy is an absolute revelation - he's really intelligent player and should probably be one of the first names of the teamsheet.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 11:06:38 AM
Level. Headed.

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: loki679 on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 11:11:20 AM
Liking our players is gonna be hard to get used to :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:26:01 PM
Love this guy. Such a key signing. Really needed this type of midfielder.

Tiote, Saivet, Colback and even Anita just weren't giving us what we needed in that position.

Just wish Colback wasn't his backup!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:29:12 PM
He's more a CM than DM. Hope he stays fit because he's so much better than his alternatives.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:30:41 PM
Probably as close to an "all-round" central midfielder we've had since, I dunno... Rob Lee? I'm not directly comparing the two, just that all our central midfielders for years have only ticked one or two boxes... usually the ones marked "tackling", "shooting" or "unfit" but rarely much else.

(Any suggestions of Cabaye can gtfo)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mozy on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:34:05 PM
He plays with the physicality of a central defender combined with the mobility and calmness of a classy midfielder. We've needed this kind of player for longer than I can remember.

Too early to be wondering why on earth Arsenal let him go?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:34:10 PM
CM is probably the only area where we're not "over loaded". Especially when you consider the drop in quality from Shelvey and Hayden to Colback. IF we need to strengthen anywhere in january then its in CM. Obviously a lot can happen between now and january.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Diame, Clark & Anita are probably our CM cover, we could probably do with another one in though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:36:42 PM
I know it means virtually nothing in a game, but it was interesting to see that he was easily our best striker of the ball in the shooting warm up drills they were doing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:38:35 PM
He plays with the physicality of a central defender combined with the mobility and calmness of a classy midfielder. We've needed this kind of player for longer than I can remember.

Too early to be wondering why on earth Arsenal let him go?

Arsenal are stacked man :lol:

The kid is good enough to have started for us all of last season in the prem! Fair to let him go.

I appreciate Arsenal man. They never demand huge prices for the players they don't use much either.

I'd run the rule over every single prospect that doesn't quite make their team that is available to sign.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mozy on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:43:12 PM
The point was more that I think he'll be a better player than Coquelin, especially when you factor in their ages. And if they really rated Hayden they would have just sent him out on loan again rather than a permanent sell.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:45:35 PM
It's simply because they couldn't give him enough playing time to grow as a player. He's a good young player with potential, but not good enough to start for them. That's why it was good for everyone concerned that he left.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:47:18 PM
Probably as close to an "all-round" central midfielder we've had since, I dunno... Rob Lee? I'm not directly comparing the two, just that all our central midfielders for years have only ticked one or two boxes... usually the ones marked "tackling", "shooting" or "unfit" but rarely much else.

(Any suggestions of Cabaye can gtfo)

Not all-round but Cabaye's only been bettered (comfortably, I might add) by Lee and Speed imo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 04:48:18 PM
The point was more that I think he'll be a better player than Coquelin, especially when you factor in their ages. And if they really rated Hayden they would have just sent him out on loan again rather than a permanent sell.

Well Coquelin is pretty much established for them now, and is a really good player right now. Elneny looks really talented too if you saw much of him. They just added Xhaka also. They even use Cazorla and Ramsey in midfield, so it's tough.

They loaned him out to Hull last season, and probably would have continued to do so, but we came in for him for a permanent deal, and so they let him go. It's why I said they are a very fair club. As it doesn't look like he will be breaking into their team in the next couple of seasons at least, they let him move on to a great situation for him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:04:49 PM
The point was more that I think he'll be a better player than Coquelin, especially when you factor in their ages. And if they really rated Hayden they would have just sent him out on loan again rather than a permanent sell.

They don't really need a DM tbh, they have a fair few. Their issue last season was that when Cazorla went down with injury they had no one getting the ball from midfield to Ozil and Sanchez.

Which is why they bought Xhaka i imagine, although Wenger is a bit senile these days and doesn't seem to play him so there's that. I really don't think they f***ed up here or anything, but i'm not really bothered because he's been class for us and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:07:30 PM
Probably as close to an "all-round" central midfielder we've had since, I dunno... Rob Lee? I'm not directly comparing the two, just that all our central midfielders for years have only ticked one or two boxes... usually the ones marked "tackling", "shooting" or "unfit" but rarely much else.

(Any suggestions of Cabaye can gtfo)

Not all-round but Cabaye's only been bettered (comfortably, I might add) by Lee and Speed imo.

Cabaye wasn't so much of an all rounder though, while his passing was out of this world, he wasn't quick enough to be a box to box player like Lee and Speed. Hayden is much more capable of doing that role than anyone else we've had for ages.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:08:12 PM
Probably as close to an "all-round" central midfielder we've had since, I dunno... Rob Lee? I'm not directly comparing the two, just that all our central midfielders for years have only ticked one or two boxes... usually the ones marked "tackling", "shooting" or "unfit" but rarely much else.

(Any suggestions of Cabaye can gtfo)

Not all-round but Cabaye's only been bettered (comfortably, I might add) by Lee and Speed imo.
Aye, he wasn't hitting box to box but Cabaye is easily the best and most rounded central midfielder we've had in a decade.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:11:23 PM
I'm pretty sure that the first three words in my post were 'Not all-round but' like. :lol: How you missed that and then started with 'Cabaye wasn't so much of an all rounder though' is beyond me.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:11:27 PM
Hayden is healing some of those Abeid wounds man. Abeid was the closest we had to this kind of midfielder.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: prefabtoon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:12:39 PM
Wenger replaced  Issac Hayden with Rob Holding from Bolton. :kasper:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:13:58 PM
Probably as close to an "all-round" central midfielder we've had since, I dunno... Rob Lee? I'm not directly comparing the two, just that all our central midfielders for years have only ticked one or two boxes... usually the ones marked "tackling", "shooting" or "unfit" but rarely much else.

(Any suggestions of Cabaye can gtfo)

Not all-round but Cabaye's only been bettered (comfortably, I might add) by Lee and Speed imo.

Cabaye wasn't so much of an all rounder though, while his passing was out of this world, he wasn't quick enough to be a box to box player like Lee and Speed. Hayden is much more capable of doing that role than anyone else we've had for ages.
He was like, the closest you'll get anyway without being an absolute beast who bosses every area of the field. He got stuck in and had a great passing range, could score goals and take set pieces (even though that part of his game was half stifled by Pardew being f***ing s****).
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:14:09 PM
Holding is a centre back, and a pretty promising one at that from what I saw of him for Arsenal in pre season and early on this season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: prefabtoon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:20:25 PM
Issac Hayden
centre-back or in central-midfield, whilst having also previously featured at right-back and as a playmaker.

Wenger F***ked up letting him go in my opinion.
Why have an academy then let players like Hayden go.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:23:42 PM
I'm not sure how he f***ed up by letting him go tbh. You can be a good player and not be good enough for Arsenal, it's not really a criticism of a player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:24:13 PM
Holding is a centre back, and a pretty promising one at that from what I saw of him for Arsenal in pre season and early on this season.

You what?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:50:21 PM
I'm not sure how he f***ed up by letting him go tbh. You can be a good player and not be good enough for Arsenal, it's not really a criticism of a player.

I know right :lol:

They're bringing guys like Iwobi, Coquelin and Bellerin through. Think they're doing alright :lol:

Can we just be thankful to monsieur Wenger maybe :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:52:52 PM
Oh and Arsenal also signed a young Nigerian midfielder Nwankali this summer, from the Nigeria under 18 team that previously won their world cup, and he is absolute quality. They know what they're doing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 05:54:07 PM
Holding is a centre back, and a pretty promising one at that from what I saw of him for Arsenal in pre season and early on this season.

You what?

Just my opinion sir!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:03:26 PM
Holding is a centre back, and a pretty promising one at that from what I saw of him for Arsenal in pre season and early on this season.

You what?

Just my opinion sir!

Michael Holding ?
Holding back the years ?
Holding out for a hero ?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:17:56 PM
Oh and Arsenal also signed a young Nigerian midfielder Nwankali this summer, from the Nigeria under 18 team that previously won their world cup, and he is absolute quality. They know what they're doing.


How old is he, 40?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:28:29 PM
Holding is a centre back, and a pretty promising one at that from what I saw of him for Arsenal in pre season and early on this season.

You what?

Just my opinion sir!

Michael Holding ?
Holding back the years ?
Holding out for a hero ?

The bowler's Holding, the Kaka's mental.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:31:50 PM
Holding is a centre back, and a pretty promising one at that from what I saw of him for Arsenal in pre season and early on this season.

You what?

Just my opinion sir!

Michael Holding ?
Holding back the years ?
Holding out for a hero ?

He's talking about Rob Holding at Arsenal
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:32:25 PM
Holding is a centre back, and a pretty promising one at that from what I saw of him for Arsenal in pre season and early on this season.

You what?

Just my opinion sir!

Michael Holding ?
Holding back the years ?
Holding out for a hero ?

The bowler's Holding, the Kaka's mental.

I am noticing that  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:34:12 PM
What's he said wrong there like?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:34:16 PM
I'm so misunderstood man. It hurts.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:35:37 PM
f*** knas, just saw Michael Holding.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:45:15 PM
I'm confused now  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:45:58 PM
Feel like people are going a bit over board with Hayden. He is looking like a very good player at this level and is still very young, but people need to remember that he's barely even arrived here. Talk about Wenger f***ing up for selling is daft as hell :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: themanupstairs on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 06:47:38 PM
Rafa's Didi Hamann. End of.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 07:45:19 PM
Rafa absolutely loves the lad according to the guys who were invited to the training ground. Called Rafa personally in order to finalise the deal (may be old news but I was unaware).
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 10:00:17 PM
Probably as close to an "all-round" central midfielder we've had since, I dunno... Rob Lee? I'm not directly comparing the two, just that all our central midfielders for years have only ticked one or two boxes... usually the ones marked "tackling", "shooting" or "unfit" but rarely much else.

(Any suggestions of Cabaye can gtfo)

Not all-round but Cabaye's only been bettered (comfortably, I might add) by Lee and Speed imo.

Cabaye wasn't so much of an all rounder though, while his passing was out of this world, he wasn't quick enough to be a box to box player like Lee and Speed. Hayden is much more capable of doing that role than anyone else we've had for ages.
He was like, the closest you'll get anyway without being an absolute beast who bosses every area of the field. He got stuck in and had a great passing range, could score goals and take set pieces (even though that part of his game was half stifled by Pardew being f***ing s****).
th
Not going to disagree with any of that, but I always felt that because he wasn't so quick across the ground, he ended up giving away a lot of fouls. Maybe I'm just picky but I really do like my central midfielders to be able to get from box to box quickly. Cabaye always struck me as someone who would be most effective when he's given a specific area of the pitch to patrol, whether that's in his own half or the opposition's. I was surprised he failed at PSG tbh, you would have thought he would be ideal for the French league and CL football.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 10:17:10 PM
Pure box to box central midfielders don't really exist these days, so it's a bit of a pointless debate.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 10:17:36 PM
Cabaye was great.

Hayden a different type of player but I really like the cut of his jib. Also probably needs this year in the Championship under Rafa. This is perfect for him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 14 September 2016, 10:19:40 PM
Pure box to box central midfielders don't really exist these days, so it's a bit of a pointless debate.

I think they do but not in a midfield 2 anymore. Think Pogba in a midfield 3. Or Ramsey. IMO too wreckless or shackled in a midfield 2.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Thursday 15 September 2016, 12:12:19 AM
What's he said wrong there like?

Didn't mention boxing or being a real wised up man. 2/10
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Thursday 15 September 2016, 12:13:59 AM
Saw this thread at the top thought he was injured

Don't post in any player threads plz. ta.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Thursday 15 September 2016, 12:52:48 AM
Pure box to box central midfielders don't really exist these days, so it's a bit of a pointless debate.
At the top level, not so much. they can in the position we are in, to the point where I wouldn't want Rafa to play with a definite 4-2-3-1 (like we did at the start of the season) for the rest of the league season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 15 September 2016, 03:16:20 AM
Hayden is healing some of those Abeid wounds man. Abeid was the closest we had to this kind of midfielder.

Would love to get Mehdi back in the fold. Had a lot of promise, wasted by the shitheads who managed us. Given a chance under Rafa...
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 15 September 2016, 06:29:35 AM
How's he started at Dijon?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Thursday 15 September 2016, 07:06:53 AM
Hayden is healing some of those Abeid wounds man. Abeid was the closest we had to this kind of midfielder.

Would love to get Mehdi back in the fold. Had a lot of promise, wasted by the shitheads who managed us. Given a chance under Rafa...

Even with as much time I have for Abeid, Hayden looks a class above.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 15 September 2016, 09:48:03 AM
How's he started at Dijon?

He might not cut the mustard.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: themanupstairs on Thursday 15 September 2016, 10:12:10 AM
How's he started at Dijon?

He might not cut the mustard.

Has he come up against that cock Thauvin yet?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Thursday 15 September 2016, 05:15:06 PM
How's he started at Dijon?

He might not cut the mustard.

 :clap:  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Saturday 1 October 2016, 05:13:24 PM
In the England U21 squad. :thup:

Looking forward to him getting back in our side.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 1 October 2016, 05:15:31 PM
Perplexed as to why he didn't start today, and even more surprised that he didn't come on. Ah well. He'll be back in the side against Brentford I expect.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 1 October 2016, 08:09:17 PM
We miss him in the middle when he doesn't play.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 1 October 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Perplexed as to why he didn't start today, and even more surprised that he didn't come on. Ah well. He'll be back in the side against Brentford I expect.

Probably Rafa thought we could beat Rotherham without him. Just rotation.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: huss9 on Saturday 1 October 2016, 08:19:03 PM
hopefully its because he'll be away with the u21's and get game time whilst colback will not.
otherwise flummoxed as why colback started the last 2 in a row.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 1 October 2016, 08:24:50 PM
Not impossible there was a concern he was at risk of injury, pretty sure Rafa will be one of those managers who trusts those predictive data analytic programmes that work out if a player is likely to imminently get injured.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Saturday 1 October 2016, 08:48:42 PM
Not impossible there was a concern he was at risk of injury, pretty sure Rafa will be one of those managers who trusts those predictive data analytic programmes that work out if a player is likely to imminently get injured.

With us playing so regularly, this will be going on all the time. People just assume everyone is 100% fit and well at all times which is total bollocks.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 1 October 2016, 08:55:57 PM
Hasn't he only played like 20 professional games in his whole career before us?

Maybe Rafa is concerned about burnout especially as he's probably played about 10 for us already and he's got a larger schedule than our other CMs
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Saturday 1 October 2016, 10:33:20 PM
Hasn't he only played like 20 professional games in his whole career before us?

Maybe Rafa is concerned about burnout especially as he's probably played about 10 for us already and he's got a larger schedule than our other CMs


:thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 1 October 2016, 10:36:25 PM
Hasn't he only played like 20 professional games in his whole career before us?

Maybe Rafa is concerned about burnout especially as he's probably played about 10 for us already and he's got a larger schedule than our other CMs


Aye. If he was in the PL a break would mean not playing for at least 14 days - not 7.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Saturday 1 October 2016, 11:27:58 PM
Hasn't he only played like 20 professional games in his whole career before us?

Maybe Rafa is concerned about burnout especially as he's probably played about 10 for us already and he's got a larger schedule than our other CMs


Aye. If he was in the PL a break would mean not playing for at least 14 days - not 7.

What are you on about? If he was in the PL he would still be in the England U21 squad so his break would be exactly the same. Our next game is the 15th, next PL games are on the 15th.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Sunday 2 October 2016, 02:58:03 AM
Don't question TCD, you're wrong. Stand down.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 2 October 2016, 08:47:51 AM
I think what TCD means is that if Hayden gets a rest in the PL for one game then he'll have 2 weeks to prepare for the next game,  whereas down here if he misses one game, it's usually a midweek game so he'd only have 7 days to prepare
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 3 October 2016, 03:38:04 PM
I think what TCD means is that if Hayden gets a rest in the PL for one game then he'll have 2 weeks to prepare for the next game,  whereas down here if he misses one game, it's usually a midweek game so he'd only have 7 days to prepare

Aye. 7 days is not much of a rest for a young lad. He's going to have 10 straight days or so not playing any competitive football.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Conjo on Tuesday 4 October 2016, 12:42:04 PM
I thought it was the other way around, that your body recovers faster at a young age and takes longer the older you get?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 4 October 2016, 01:04:10 PM
I thought it was the other way around, that your body recovers faster at a young age and takes longer the older you get?
Think you get to your peak for that in your mid 20's
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ho(llo)way on Tuesday 4 October 2016, 10:12:39 PM
How much rest does a young man need then, play on the Saturday then a week on Wednesday, is that enough?  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Jesse Pinkman on Tuesday 4 October 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Seems to me Rafa doesnt rotate a player every single game. He has a core 3-4 players and then gives the players around them 3-4 game runs before they are rotated. This will help with stability with the team and the players will be happier knowing they have a couple of games to show what they can do.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 4 October 2016, 11:05:09 PM
How much rest does a young man need then, play on the Saturday then a week on Wednesday, is that enough?  :lol:

Give young footballers old people's ages.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Tuesday 11 October 2016, 02:59:57 PM
Starting for England U21 today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Tuesday 11 October 2016, 03:00:25 PM
Who are they playing?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Tuesday 11 October 2016, 03:01:37 PM
Playing V Bosnia on BT now.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 15 October 2016, 07:02:53 AM
Hopefully we'll see him back in the starting eleven today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Saturday 22 October 2016, 10:34:35 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but during the warm-up Hayden smashed a shot that flew into the Gallowgate and hit a little kid in the face (I'd guess he was about 6-8). Looked like it caused a bit of damage as he had blood flowing from his nose.

Straight away Hayden came over to check on him, then ran to the dressing room to bring the lad a signed shirt and spent a few minutes with him apologising/checking on his welfare.

Top bloke.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: toon25 on Saturday 22 October 2016, 11:32:49 PM
That's brilliant.

Seems like a top bloke and a promising player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mr Logic on Saturday 22 October 2016, 11:56:23 PM
I like updates like that. :)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Sunday 23 October 2016, 08:46:20 AM
It was actually one of the coaches (Cathro?) that orchestrated the gesture. He went straight over to a steward to get relevant info and then I watched as he had a word with Hayden. Kid got a nice little round of applause as he walked past the Gallowgate with blood still running from his nose.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 23 October 2016, 09:39:04 AM
It was actually one of the coaches (Cathro?) that orchestrated the gesture. He went straight over to a steward to get relevant info and then I watched as he had a word with Hayden. Kid got a nice little round of applause as he walked past the Gallowgate with blood still running from his nose.

rafa's influence permeates throughout the club eh?  2 years ago we'd have been charging the kid for tissues to wipe up the blood
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Fenham Mag on Sunday 23 October 2016, 09:47:03 AM
Nice touch.

Shame Andy Johnson couldn't do the same or even apologise when he smacked one into the leazes pre game and hit me in the face. I was 14 at the time do not exactly a kid but I've hated that c*** since.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 23 October 2016, 11:14:56 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Odear on Sunday 23 October 2016, 06:32:29 PM
He's looked good every time I've seen him play but it's not too often at the moment? Does Rafa like the cut of his jib? Or has he been carrying minor injuries over the last few weeks?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 23 October 2016, 06:36:33 PM
I've said it before but he's barely played any professional games before joining us and Rafa will be fully aware that we can't burn him out by playing him too much (and U21 commitments) before the hectic winter schedule
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Billy2Sheds on Sunday 23 October 2016, 06:49:12 PM
Nice touch.

Shame Andy Johnson couldn't do the same or even apologise when he smacked one into the leazes pre game and hit me in the face. I was 14 at the time do not exactly a kid but I've hated that c*** since.
:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 23 October 2016, 06:49:47 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: chopey on Sunday 23 October 2016, 06:52:45 PM
Nice touch.

Shame Andy Johnson couldn't do the same or even apologise when he smacked one into the leazes pre game and hit me in the face. I was 14 at the time do not exactly a kid but I've hated that c*** since.

That's me convinced, I hate him now too
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 23 October 2016, 06:59:26 PM
I've said it before but he's barely played any professional games before joining us and Rafa will be fully aware that we can't burn him out by playing him too much (and U21 commitments) before the hectic winter schedule
Yup :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: samag on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 07:37:56 AM
Another  solid performance.  Doesn't  play many bad games .
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Just love his overall game. Sneakily good in driving with the ball or whipping in some great crosses.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Sho'Time on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 10:54:58 AM
He was brilliant I thought, always seems to be in the right place. He was our best player in the first half.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 11:02:24 AM
You can tell he's from Arsenal's academy
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Scoot on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 11:08:13 AM
Excellent all round midfielder. He'll only get better with age as well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: John P on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 01:19:54 PM
Love his driving runs forward, deceptively quick with the ball.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 01:21:12 PM
Can we just have someone stationed outside the Arsenal complex to grab any prospects they release or don't want to keep, so we can have a first look? Love this guy.

Someone was insinuating Rafa was playing Colback ahead of him because Colback was playing better. Just imagine that?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 02:52:26 PM
In what has become a surprisingly difficult competition young Isaac is my favourite player by some distance. Does the selfless usually unacknowledged stuff for the team really well, when we haven't got the ball, and yet is also a threat when we have. So intelligent in his movement, often seems to be in just the right place to break-up play or receive the ball.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 03:13:38 PM
didn't realise he was 21 actually, thought he was 23/24 for some reason

rafa's handling of him makes more sense now then
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 03:18:30 PM
Yeah same here, 23-24. So he's still almost a bairn. Also mysterious that Colback has looked exactly the same for the past 345 years.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: afar on Wednesday 26 October 2016, 03:56:18 PM
Rafa's done wonders in the market really:

We needed a goalscorer at this level and a bit of pace up top, couldn't have asked for a better fir for need than Gayle.

We were losing our left footed right winger who was easily our best player during the run in, he replaces Townsend with a huge amount of quality on Ritchie (left footed , right winger).

Lose two centre halves, need to rebuild that group which has very much been a weak point. Brings in Hanley and Clark, two extremely competent replacements and way better than the players they replaced (at that point in their careers). Everyone (including villa fans) said we over paid for Clark, but if he keeps up with his current form 5 million is an absolute snip.

Our pacy attacking right goes, replace him with another pacy attacking right back in Yedlin, a player who has done nothing but impress when he's played.

Then there is this guy ! FFS we paid 1.5 million for him, that's ridiculous based on what we've seen. How Rafa knew what a gem this guy was based on an average at best season with Hull, I don't know. Hayden is a prime example of why you give the keys to the safe to Rafa, as an owner you just sit back and let him manage the transfer budget.

Atsu on loan with the option to buy looks like another piece of great piece of business.

Really the only questionable moves have been Gamez, Lazaar and Diame. We didn't pay a lot for Gamez, and he's had some injury issues, got a feeling he may still have a part to play in this but the form of Yedlin and Anita is going to make it tough. Lazaar is a question mark, dunno what is going on there perhaps Rafa has viewed him as a PL player that can't play effectively at this level and is using this season to get him attuned to English football. Diame has been poor up until last night, but if he continues to play and score goals like he did against Preston then it will have been a solid buy, again 5 million is not a lot of money in these days.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Thursday 10 November 2016, 06:33:52 PM
Starting for England U21s v Italy this evening.  7.45pm kick off.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Thursday 10 November 2016, 07:43:16 PM
Playing rb apparently
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 10 November 2016, 07:43:58 PM
Some Italian is gonna put him out for the season and we'll lose our best two CMs
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Thursday 10 November 2016, 07:54:34 PM
Some Italian is gonna put him out for the season and we'll lose our best two CMs
Back to that old Colback & Anita CM dream team :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Thursday 10 November 2016, 07:56:08 PM
This guy really needs to be looked after man. Losing both Shelvey and this guy would be a disaster. Scary thought.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Friday 11 November 2016, 06:40:02 AM
How did he get on like? Played the full 90 didn't he?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Friday 11 November 2016, 07:04:43 AM
General consensus of twitter users - nowt else to go on here - is that he did well, especially seeing that he was played out of his usual position.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Friday 11 November 2016, 07:11:24 AM
I watched it, he's definitely not a right-back like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Monday 14 November 2016, 06:41:01 PM
On the bench tonight :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:00:55 PM
The bench :thdn:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:01:35 PM
Good news
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:04:56 PM
The bench :thdn:

Aye, wish he was playing to increase the likelihood of a Colback/Tiote midfield on Sunday.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:09:02 PM
Please don't ever say that again.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:15:53 PM
I'd rather our very promising midfielder get as much international experience as possible.  Playing will only benefit him - unless he gets injured. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:18:59 PM
I'd rather keep him as fresh as possible after he played 90 minutes on Thursday and we have a hectic schedule coming up with limited central midfielders.

He's not used to playing loads of games in quick succession and we can't afford to burn him out
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:26:32 PM
Just found out that the game is against France.  Even more certain now that I'd rather he play the full game.  Playing against the top French prospects would really help him grow.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andy84 on Monday 14 November 2016, 07:47:23 PM
It's an U21 friendly
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 19 November 2016, 09:49:08 PM
Seems an intelligent lad. :thup:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/19/rafael-benitez-newcastle-united-isaac-hayden-championship-football-leeds

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If Isaac Hayden required proof of the benefits of “Rafaology” he received it after rejoining the England Under-21 squad during the international break. “The England staff have really picked up on the change in me,” reports the Newcastle United midfielder. “They say that, compared to last season, my ‘game understanding’ is massively different. They say it’s obvious it’s down to Rafa’s tutelage.”

Rafael Benítez’s transformative impact in the north-east can hardly be overstated and his Championship topping side will arrive at promotion rivals Leeds United on Sunday seeking to an extend an eight-game winning run. Hayden attributes much of Newcastle’s success to their manager’s alliance of a forensic eye for detail, an assured grasp of broader strategy and excellent communication skills.

“The England coaches want you to come up with ideas about how we’re going to beat varying types of opponents,” explains the 21-year-old Arsenal academy graduate, who spent last season on loan at Hull City. “They seemed really pleased with me this time, they said: ‘You’re coming up with different ideas from everyone else.’ Again, that’s down to working with Rafa. He loves his little details and they transfer to us players.”

The cult of the manager can sometimes be overplayed but it is no exaggeration to say that, at St James’ Park, the Benítez effect has been extraordinary. Indeed after simultaneously “taming” Mike Ashley, Newcastle’s maverick owner, bonding the club with its previously disillusioned fans and revitalising a squad which had looked lost as it tumbled out of the Premier League last season, it would be no surprise were the Spaniard to be spotted walking on the Tyne.

Although undoubtedly a consummate politician who, crucially, commands the respect from both boardroom and dressing room which Steve McClaren, his predecessor, lacked, the manager has surprised many people with his consistent warmth.

“You might think a manager of his calibre might not be like that – some high-level managers and even some top players can be quite distant – but the gaffer’s warm,” says Hayden with the thoughtful intelligence which distinguishes his tactically articulate game. “Rafa’s so easy to talk to, you can speak to him about anything and he’s the same with everybody: players, support staff, fans. It doesn’t matter who you are, he’s as friendly as anything and that’s really helped the lads.

“He’s reconnected this club to the fans and the city and united it. There’s no unrest anywhere. The manager, players, staff, owner and supporters are all pulling in the right direction and, at the minute, that’s having a massive impact on our football. Everyone’s united and it shows on the pitch.”

Arsène Wenger has imbued Arsenal with similar dignity and class but Hayden, who parted with the Frenchman on excellent terms and admires him immensely, feels the pair could not be more different. “They’re polar opposites,” he says. “Two totally different people. Arsène doesn’t really say much, when he’s at training he just watches and you might hear his voice three or four times a session. Max. He sees absolutely everything, though, every mistake you make.

“The gaffer here is much more hands on. He talks us through sessions and helps us out. I prefer that style of management. It gets the best out of me; I know exactly how he’s feeling about me and what he wants me to improve on.”

Hayden fully buys into Benítez’s love of squad rotation – something which proved controversial in his early days at Liverpool before winning the Champions League. “The big difference between being here and at Hull last season is that no one’s certain to play any game under this manager. Everyone’s on their toes, there’s a lot of competition for places, everybody’s fresh, working hard in training and doing the right things and, touch wood, we haven’t had many injuries.”

Last season Hull started strongly, with the side under Steve Bruce looking near certainties for automatic promotion before suffering an alarming February wobble and going up via the play-offs. “The difference was that Steve essentially utilised the same players all the time and it got to February and March and then the lads who’d played Saturday-Tuesday all season hit a brick wall,” says Hayden. “They were knackered.”

Meanwhile the understudies were losing heart. “In October and November Steve played the same starting eleven nine games in a row. It got to the point where some players didn’t even bother bringing their wash bags any more – you knew you weren’t going to get a game.”

Even so he enjoyed working with Bruce, now Aston Villa manager, who helped him grow up. “Steve’s easy to talk to. You could knock on his door and chat to him,” he says. “But he had a lot more of an old school mentality and was very demanding.

“Hull’s training was vigorous. It wasn’t uncontrolled but it was very intense, less controlled than here or Arsenal. We had lots of double sessions, lots of gym work and running. It was my transition to the real adult professional game and it taught me the importance of a hard-working mentality.”

On top of that are the benefits of harmony. “Steve was very good at setting us up to deal with different opponents but it didn’t help that Hull’s owners wanted to sell and the fans didn’t like the owners and would show their disgruntlement,” says Hayden. “That filtered through to the manager and on to the players. At times it wasn’t the nicest feeling. In April, when we played Brentford at home and were still in with a chance of finishing second, only 15,000 turned up and they were waving placards and shouting ‘Allams out’.”

With the days of anti-Ashley and anti-Alan Pardew protests a receding memory, Newcastle is very different. “We get more than 50,000 every home game,” says Hayden. “It helps that we’ve got the biggest crowds in the Championship, the best atmosphere and the best fans. They’re so loud some of our away games feel like home matches.”

Elland Road is a 38,000 sell-out on Sunday. “It’s a hostile ground, not the nicest place to go,” he acknowledges. “But I don’t think it’ll be a problem for us.”
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nemtizz on Saturday 19 November 2016, 09:51:27 PM
cba to read that
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 19 November 2016, 09:51:44 PM
Cracking read.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 19 November 2016, 09:53:47 PM
Intelligent lad. Cracking player, too.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Willow on Saturday 19 November 2016, 10:11:12 PM
This guy will hopefully go far, seems to have the brains and talent to back it up. Still really young too, so he's constantly learning and from a great manager to boot.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 19 November 2016, 10:24:36 PM
Without having a poor game he's not been anything really special either, Early days and he's still learning. Signs are decent but wouldn't like to hit the prem with him as a starter right now.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 19 November 2016, 10:27:09 PM
He's been much better than just 'decent'
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 19 November 2016, 10:32:04 PM
He's been much better than just 'decent'
I sai the signs are decent. He's been somewhere in between decent and good.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 19 November 2016, 10:34:03 PM
I think apart from the Huddersfield game he's been at least a 7/10 in pretty much every game and had some excellent games (Reading springs to mind)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 19 November 2016, 10:38:55 PM
I think apart from the Huddersfield game he's been at least a 7/10 in pretty much every game and had some excellent games (Reading springs to mind)
reading (I think, when he really pushed on) i agree. But I'd go more of a 6/10. Slightly better than average.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 20 November 2016, 01:22:41 AM
The bit on Steve Bruce is quite damning. Intense double sessions through the season man. No wonder his teams usually fade badly at the end. And yet he still persists with the same approach.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 20 November 2016, 02:23:46 AM
I think apart from the Huddersfield game he's been at least a 7/10 in pretty much every game and had some excellent games (Reading springs to mind)
reading (I think, when he really pushed on) i agree. But I'd go more of a 6/10. Slightly better than average.
6/10?  :dowie:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 20 November 2016, 09:44:28 AM
He's been miles better than just slightly above average.  I'm not sure what madras expects our DM to be doing
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: STM on Sunday 20 November 2016, 09:54:22 AM
He's been brilliant, especially considering the price.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Sunday 20 November 2016, 10:16:34 AM
The two games I have been to this season (QPR and Cardiff) he has looked class, one of our best players. Think he has loooked really good on the televised/periscope games, as well.

Great in the air, plays off both feet, moves the ball well and can stretch the play if needed. Not just a 5 yard, lay it off DM. Also has the physical ability to push on when needed. Not sure what madras thinks he can do a lot better?! 6/10 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 20 November 2016, 11:18:09 AM
Someone get madras a prozac
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Sunday 20 November 2016, 04:17:47 PM
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Jesse Pinkman on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 10:58:49 PM
Stand out player for both teams tonight.

I think he can make the jump up to the Premier League.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: huss9 on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 10:59:27 PM
much improved from the weekend.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:21:09 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:22:17 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.

Don't agree
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:22:54 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.
What about all the games we've won when they've played together?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:23:56 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.

Don't agree

They are too similar imo.  We need to sign another midfielder who is willing to break into the opposition box more.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:26:12 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.

Don't agree

They are too similar imo.  We need to sign another midfielder who is willing to break into the opposition box more.

Diame.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:27:38 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.

Don't agree

They are too similar imo.  We need to sign another midfielder who is willing to break into the opposition box more.

Diame.
Aye I think we should try putting Diame and Shelvey in midfield and then try either two up top or buy a decent number 10
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:28:05 PM
Hayden and Shelvey are absolutely fine together. We dominated the midfield by all accounts, if we lacked the cutting edge should probably look more at what the forwards produced on the day.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:28:28 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.

Don't agree

They are too similar imo.  We need to sign another midfielder who is willing to break into the opposition box more.

Diame.
Aye I think we should try putting Diame and Shelvey in midfield and then try either two up top or buy a decent number 10

We should try this first.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:30:16 PM
The way we ended the game, but with Mitrovic for Murphy and Ritchie for Gouffran would be interesting.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Tuesday 29 November 2016, 11:32:44 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.

Don't agree

They are too similar imo.  We need to sign another midfielder who is willing to break into the opposition box more.
They aren't too similar but they don't seem to be complimentary either.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:04:25 AM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.
Aye, it's not like we completely dominated the midfield for most of the game or anything :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:07:19 AM
Some of the post match comments after a negative result are absolute aids sometimes.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:16:19 AM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.
Aye, it's not like we completely dominated the midfield for most of the game or anything :lol:

You can dominate midfield and still create little as there is no f***er from midfield trying to get into the box.  We need a CM next to shelvey who is prepared to get into the box.   
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:20:42 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:22:15 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.

Grow up hans you complete rench.

No doubt you are completely against Colback starting despite our best results coming when he plays.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:22:22 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.
Do you think we are getting the most from the squad we have ?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:28:46 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.

Grow up hans you complete rench.

No doubt you are completely against Colback starting despite our best results coming when he plays.
I'm not against starting Colback, but he's hardly known for his Lampard-esque runs into the box is he?

Just no need for overreactions after every defeat.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:30:37 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.

Grow up hans you complete rench.

:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:33:05 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.
Do you think we are getting the most from the squad we have ?
I think we're getting more than the vast majority of managers would like. These same conversations happened after the first 2 defeats of the season, and again after Wolves. Everyone suddenly thinks they're a football manager and tells us what's wrong, then Benitez goes on a near record breaking winning streak.

We could have done better today, we could have done better at Blackburn, I trust Rafa knew what he was doing with his picks though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:33:54 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.

Grow up hans you complete rench.

:lol:
:lol: I feel emasculated.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:34:26 AM
Aren't we on course to beat the division's best ever points total? I'm not really sure how much more we can be getting. One of the best defences and the best attack, so far.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:37:22 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.
Do you think we are getting the most from the squad we have ?
I think we're getting more than the vast majority of managers would like. These same conversations happened after the first 2 defeats of the season, and again after Wolves. Everyone suddenly thinks they're a football manager and tells us what's wrong, then Benitez goes on a near record breaking winning streak.

We could have done better today, we could have done better at Blackburn, I trust Rafa knew what he was doing with his picks though.
Give credit when it's due, criticise likewise. fwiw for all we beat Rotherham, Bristol city and Barnsley i think we played massively below what we can.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:40:25 AM
Thought he was really sloppy when Hull had the ball tonight but he's got the potential to be a good all-rounder. I feel like he can move the ball and pick a pass. Miles away from the finished article and he ought to be disappointed after his last couple of performances, but we might have a player here.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 12:44:35 AM
We're the Championships top scorers and currently 2 points clear at the top like, but I'm all for replacing Rafa Benitez with Neesy.
Do you think we are getting the most from the squad we have ?
I think we're getting more than the vast majority of managers would like. These same conversations happened after the first 2 defeats of the season, and again after Wolves. Everyone suddenly thinks they're a football manager and tells us what's wrong, then Benitez goes on a near record breaking winning streak.

We could have done better today, we could have done better at Blackburn, I trust Rafa knew what he was doing with his picks though.
Give credit when it's due, criticise likewise. fwiw for all we beat Rotherham, Bristol city and Barnsley i think we played massively below what we can.
Aye for sure, I don't think we were bad today though, and losing 2 on the belt isn't too concerning given how comfortable we've looked for the last couple of month.

I think it's fair to say that risking Sels was a bad move but I'm sure he has reasons to believe he isn't compete garbage. Obviously massively let down today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 01:21:29 AM
He was brilliant tonight. There's no f***ing way you can use tonight to advocate Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 08:02:41 AM
He was brilliant tonight. There's no f***ing way you can use tonight to advocate Colback.

That's what I thought?  He got a little slack with his play towards the end and was in danger of getting a second yellow.  But he made three crunching tackles that I can remember, actually got forward quite well and looks to get the ball forward and wide at times, not just relying on Shelvey to do it all.  His physicality and mobility help Shelvey, IMO.  Who still can't tackle or mark, but does put more of a shift in TBF to him. 

I thought he was arguably our MOTM.  But Clark probably deserves it, again.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 09:51:37 AM
Pleased to hear :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lotus on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 10:01:19 AM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.

Don't agree

They are too similar imo.  We need to sign another midfielder who is willing to break into the opposition box more.

That would involve replacing both Hayden and Shelvey then.

Shelvey isn't the type to protect his back 4.

I'm all for replacing players with better players but it's odd to look at our season so far and decide we definitely need to replace our starting midfield pair in order to make any progress.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andymc1 on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 10:07:24 AM
He was absolutely knackered towards the end but he had a decent enough game.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 10:09:37 AM
That tackle on Meyler in the first half was class. Proper cruncher
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Wednesday 30 November 2016, 10:28:19 AM
Neesy doing his level best to win wpoty.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Budgie Smuggler on Friday 2 December 2016, 11:30:36 PM
Thought he was fantastic tonight. Especially considering the minutes he played 3 days ago and then having to play 9 v 11 for 45 minutes.


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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: yiman on Friday 2 December 2016, 11:41:22 PM
Absolutely solid performance the lad put in ....... a player
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andymc1 on Friday 2 December 2016, 11:43:38 PM
People actively want Colback in the team ahead of this kid :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Friday 2 December 2016, 11:45:44 PM
Was critical of him after Blackburn but he's been superb the last 2 games.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Friday 2 December 2016, 11:46:02 PM
Love his tackling. Absolutely booms in but is usually dead clean with it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andymc1 on Friday 2 December 2016, 11:46:54 PM
Love his tackling. Absolutely booms in but is usually dead clean with it.

Can't agree more.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andy84 on Friday 2 December 2016, 11:56:25 PM
People actively want Colback in the team ahead of this kid :lol:

Think it's more about people buying into the rotation policy, not just wanting Hayden out for Colback.  Colback has been fine during the run we've been on.  He was excellent tonight and there was a real feel like he stepped up when Shelvey went off.  Hopefully he will take on that responsibility, no reason to think he can't.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 3 December 2016, 12:01:05 AM
Wouldn't worry, nothing to debate after tonight. It'll be Hayden AND Colback for a while now.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: afar on Saturday 3 December 2016, 12:05:50 AM
I'm still amazed how we only paid 1.5 million for this lad, 3 of him = 1 Diame ??
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: merlin on Saturday 3 December 2016, 01:09:00 AM
Great buy for the money - wholehearted midfielder with great tackling ability. He has time to get better too and we will need him over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 3 December 2016, 01:35:45 AM
Was dreadful against Blackburn but was superb against Hull and from what I saw of the game tonight he looked great too, also been good all season really.

We still need cover in CM but hoping Colback and Hayden can work until Jan at least.

Whether he can make the step up to the premier league is hard to tell at this stage, but he has age on his side.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 3 December 2016, 06:18:22 AM
outstanding last night, mom for me if not for darlow
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 3 December 2016, 07:31:22 AM
He was awesome 👏. Didn't deserve to be on losing side; but then none of them did!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 3 December 2016, 08:23:30 AM
He was awesome 👏. Didn't deserve to be on losing side; but then none of them did!

That ref decided last night that we weren't winning that game. Not a lot you can do about it when a ref is bell bent to see you lose.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 3 December 2016, 09:45:36 AM
Good game, and Neesy is full of iguana s*** about this tbh.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 10 December 2016, 08:21:31 PM
Another top-drawer performance, with or without the ball. Loving this fella.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 10 December 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Excellent today. Shame he can't play with Shelvey
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ally on Saturday 10 December 2016, 08:56:04 PM
Excellent today. Shame he can't play with Shelvey

That makes zero sense given he played with Shelvey today
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 10 December 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: dinotheprehistoricgeordie on Saturday 10 December 2016, 09:24:03 PM
He threw up on the pitch early in the first half, I thought he was going to get taken off but he got over whatever was bothering him and he had a great game.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Saturday 10 December 2016, 11:20:39 PM
Absolutely rank seeing him taking the initiative in games. Has he learned nowt from Jackie First Choice?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: James on Sunday 11 December 2016, 09:44:10 AM
Keep improving at this rate and Rafa will have one less player to sign in the summer.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: James on Sunday 11 December 2016, 09:46:25 AM
I'm still amazed how we only paid 1.5 million for this lad, 3 of him = 1 Diame ??

Supposedly other Premier League clubs bid higher but Wenger was happy to take the lower bid from us as he thought we were the best option for the player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Sunday 11 December 2016, 09:50:19 AM
Keep improving at this rate and Rafa will have one less player to sign in the summer.

I can definitely see him develop into a good PL player. We need to strengthen our CM, but i can still see him having nice future with us if he continues to grow like he has done this season. Seems like an intelligent and down to earth kind of person, and in combo with Rafa I have a good feeling.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Sunday 11 December 2016, 10:52:08 AM
I'm still amazed how we only paid 1.5 million for this lad, 3 of him = 1 Diame ??

Supposedly other Premier League clubs bid higher but Wenger was happy to take the lower bid from us as he thought we were the best option for the player.
This sounds like a load of crap like [emoji38]
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Sunday 11 December 2016, 10:59:25 AM
Could be a crap trap.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiresias on Sunday 11 December 2016, 11:01:22 AM
To be honest does sound like Wenger
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Sunday 11 December 2016, 11:44:06 AM
Outstanding performance yesterday.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Sunday 11 December 2016, 12:05:10 PM
Think he's been great all season to be honest, had one or two bad games but so has everyone.

Seems to be getting better week by week too.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 11 December 2016, 12:58:15 PM
Need Jackie back in there though. ;)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 11 December 2016, 01:08:51 PM
Everything you want in a defensive midfielder bar experience. Can only see him getting better.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Sunday 11 December 2016, 01:11:25 PM
Watching him play, and listening to interviews it's easy to forget that he's still only 21 years old.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Sunday 11 December 2016, 01:25:55 PM
Everything you want in a defensive midfielder bar experience. Can only see him getting better.
Didn't even seem to be DCM yesterday. Him and shelvey seemed happy enough to drive forward. Much prefer that than the two of them sitting too far back. It seemed more like a 4-4-1-1 with Diane while not having a great 90mins had by far his best game for us.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 11 December 2016, 01:36:38 PM
Everything you want in a defensive midfielder bar experience. Can only see him getting better.
Didn't even seem to be DCM yesterday. Him and shelvey seemed happy enough to drive forward. Much prefer that than the two of them sitting too far back. It seemed more like a 4-4-1-1 with Diane while not having a great 90mins had by far his best game for us.

From watching the highlights, it was clear Hayden was getting forward a lot more than what I've seen previously.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Sunday 11 December 2016, 01:39:34 PM
Everything you want in a defensive midfielder bar experience. Can only see him getting better.
Didn't even seem to be DCM yesterday. Him and shelvey seemed happy enough to drive forward. Much prefer that than the two of them sitting too far back. It seemed more like a 4-4-1-1 with Diane while not having a great 90mins had by far his best game for us.

From watching the highlights, it was clear Hayden was getting forward a lot more than what I've seen previously.
Last time he done it like that was Reading as far as I can remember.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 11 December 2016, 01:46:26 PM
Everything you want in a defensive midfielder bar experience. Can only see him getting better.
Didn't even seem to be DCM yesterday. Him and shelvey seemed happy enough to drive forward. Much prefer that than the two of them sitting too far back. It seemed more like a 4-4-1-1 with Diane while not having a great 90mins had by far his best game for us.

The most complete midfield pairing I've ever seen in English football was Vieira and Petite. Not like you need to be told about it but they could both do everything, either going forward or back. Love seeing an athletic central midfielder who can play a bit.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HawK on Sunday 11 December 2016, 02:17:36 PM
Everything you want in a defensive midfielder bar experience. Can only see him getting better.
Didn't even seem to be DCM yesterday. Him and shelvey seemed happy enough to drive forward. Much prefer that than the two of them sitting too far back. It seemed more like a 4-4-1-1 with Diane while not having a great 90mins had by far his best game for us.

The most complete midfield pairing I've ever seen in English football was Vieira and Petite. Not like you need to be told about it but they could both do everything, either going forward or back. Love seeing an athletic central midfielder who can play a bit.

Nee Batty 'n Lee, mind :)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 11 December 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Nah not quite. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: afar on Sunday 11 December 2016, 03:49:33 PM
1.5 million, lol
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 11 December 2016, 03:53:22 PM
It was £2.5mil
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Sunday 11 December 2016, 06:53:15 PM
Everything you want in a defensive midfielder bar experience. Can only see him getting better.
Didn't even seem to be DCM yesterday. Him and shelvey seemed happy enough to drive forward. Much prefer that than the two of them sitting too far back. It seemed more like a 4-4-1-1 with Diane while not having a great 90mins had by far his best game for us.

The most complete midfield pairing I've ever seen in English football was Vieira and Petite. Not like you need to be told about it but they could both do everything, either going forward or back. Love seeing an athletic central midfielder who can play a bit.
Lee and Speed in our case. The only thing lacking from our two yesterday was looking to get on the end of something, we also looked to play more in and around as opposed to Sheleveys recent 40yd diagonals that look better they really turn out to be.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Sunday 11 December 2016, 08:06:20 PM
Living up to the 'new James Perch' tag I give him pre season.

Had a poor game v Blackburn but he wasn't alone and he's kicked on since.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 11 December 2016, 08:21:55 PM
He's far more talented than James Perch you numpty.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 11 December 2016, 08:33:29 PM
:lol: What a ridiculous self-congratulatory comment.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Elliottman on Sunday 11 December 2016, 08:38:09 PM
James perch ffs.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Sunday 11 December 2016, 08:49:44 PM
Nee perchinho iirc
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Sunday 11 December 2016, 08:57:26 PM
It appears nobody sensed it wasn't a genuine comparison and more toungue- in-cheek.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 11 December 2016, 09:10:29 PM
:lol: I thought it as canny obvious like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 11 December 2016, 09:42:09 PM
Trying to work out which is more damning with faint praise. Hayden with Perch or Santon with Phil Neville. Still probably Santon with Phil Neville like. So bad that it washed Ian W in immediate salvation. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Tuesday 13 December 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Not sure he knows what it means to wear the shirt as much as Colback does yet though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 13 December 2016, 08:32:31 AM
Aye. Maybe next season he can go missing in a derby game.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 13 December 2016, 09:07:22 AM
'Go missing' is a very kind way of saying 'play absolutely s*** and give away countless fouls in dangerous positions'. (referring to the home game anyways)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Wednesday 14 December 2016, 08:14:06 PM
What a signing this lad has been so far. Excellent work for the goal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Wednesday 14 December 2016, 08:34:33 PM
Hes really stepped up his game recently mind, even in the losing run he was a standout, really starting to think he can make the step up to PL level.

Has been everywhere tonight.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 14 December 2016, 08:40:03 PM
Him and Shelvey can't play together. Crying out for Colback to come back and rescue us
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: palnese on Wednesday 14 December 2016, 08:43:26 PM
 :anguish:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 14 December 2016, 08:47:29 PM
Love to see a defensive midfielder who can stop a run with a tackle rather than pulling his man down.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Wednesday 14 December 2016, 09:28:12 PM
Love to see a defensive midfielder who can stop a run with a tackle rather than pulling his man down.

And he makes contact with the ball, with his actual foot, before...aye before ... he makes contact with the man with his hands!  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 15 December 2016, 07:17:18 PM
This young lad is so strong in the tackle :thup: The way he won the ball and ran up to give Diame support before slotting him in was something Colback wouldn't be able to do. He's actually faster than I thought he would be as well, at least dynamic enough to bring the ball out of tight situations.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 12:52:03 PM
For all the grief that Colback gets, this kid is utter s**** as well mind.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 12:53:33 PM
For all the grief that Colback gets, this kid is utter s**** as well mind.

:lol: :lol:

Might be the worst post I've read in the last 24 hours
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 12:54:17 PM
Puts in some excellent tackles but his passing lets him down sometimes (like yesterday).

Think he's okay personally, especially at this level, he's young and could easily become a decent PL player under the right coaching.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ExiledGeordie on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 12:55:48 PM

Great player but asking too much of him to be a creative spark
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leek on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:04:49 PM
I think hes a good player, hes good at winning the ball back and not afraid to put a tackle in and isnt afraid to come further up the pitch at times. Hes got a lot to learn still and makes sloppy mistakes but its not like he doesnt contribute so I dont think he deserves much criticism.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:07:42 PM
For all the grief that Colback gets, this kid is utter s**** as well mind.

[emoji38] [emoji38]

Might be the worst post I've read in the last 24 hours
What does he do? He makes some decent tackles at times but also misses an awful lot and his passing/use of the ball is awful. He does an ok job at this level and admittedly he was better at the start of the seaaon but he's nowhere near PL quality from what i've seen from both then and now.

Still young so arguably may improve but we desperately need a better 'destroyer' if you like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:09:45 PM
Even if I agreed with you, which I don't, he's 21 ffs.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:13:34 PM
To even say he's as 'utter s***' as Colback is just mind boggling.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:14:23 PM
I like Hayden but he had a poor game yesterday.  The issue I think he has is he's unsure where to position himself when he plays next to Cactus Jack.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mighty__mag on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:15:43 PM
I like him, was doing the job of two yesterday, so never going to get it all right.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:26:52 PM
He's OK. Pretty good at breaking up the play and playing a short pass to a more creative player than he is. Playing alongside Colback does him no favours.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:53:12 PM
To even say he's as 'utter s***' as Colback is just mind boggling.
I didn't say he's as utter s**** as Colback, I did say that he's s***e and for all the grief Colback gets, Hayden is also extremely poor IMO and the point I was trying to make is that Hayden gets away without criticism.

It's all well and good pointing the finger at Colback being awful but you can't then forgive others for offering very little either.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 01:55:27 PM
Was awful yesterday and all. Him & Colback will hopefully never be seen on the pitch together again.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 02:02:51 PM
The reason that one gets stick and the other doesn't is probably because 1. I don't think everyone agrees that Hayden's been 'extremely poor' in the same way that everyone does with Colback, not even slightly. 2. Even if everyone did agree that he's been extremely poor, he's 21, came from Arsenal, got promoted with Hull, has been improving this season, has played like 20 matches and is being given a chance. Colback is 27, came from Sunderland, we've seen him play over 75 times for us, over 100 times for Sunderland, and is probably even worse now than he was in the Premier League. In that situation where they're both extremely poor (again, I don't agree that Hayden's been poor at all) one's on the way up and the other's on the way down. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 02:05:49 PM
Hayden won several tackles in important positions leading to attacks yesterday and usually does, which is why Rafa likes him so much. The problem is that he's extremely limited on the ball and when asked to play a little bit out of the realms of his comfort zone in lieu of Shelvey he was always going to be found wanting.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: reefatoon on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:09:50 PM
To even say he's as 'utter s***' as Colback is just mind boggling.
I didn't say he's as utter s**** as Colback, I did say that he's s***e and for all the grief Colback gets, Hayden is also extremely poor IMO and the point I was trying to make is that Hayden gets away without criticism.

It's all well and good pointing the finger at Colback being awful but you can't then forgive others for offering very little either.


sounds like something Colback's mam would say
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:13:19 PM
Hayden won several tackles in important positions leading to attacks yesterday and usually does, which is why Rafa likes him so much. The problem is that he's extremely limited on the ball and when asked to play a little bit out of the realms of his comfort zone in lieu of Shelvey he was always going to be found wanting.
I don't think he's limited on the ball at all. I think that he's got a decent range of passing on him, he's just not somebody to rely on to create things for you.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:15:12 PM
To even say he's as 'utter s***' as Colback is just mind boggling.
I didn't say he's as utter s**** as Colback, I did say that he's s***e and for all the grief Colback gets, Hayden is also extremely poor IMO and the point I was trying to make is that Hayden gets away without criticism.

It's all well and good pointing the finger at Colback being awful but you can't then forgive others for offering very little either.


You said Hayden was utter s***, as well as Colback. Anyway if you can't see that Hayden recently is having to do the job of two midfielders in his first proper season as a first team regular at the age of 21 and think we should be beating him with the same stick as Colback then there's not much point in this 'debate'.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:16:54 PM
Thought he had some good moments, particularly defensively/when we were without the ball. Less good attacking wise, but the lad has balls, was up against a physical side and kept getting stuck in. Average game, rather than a shocker, imo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:17:28 PM
He was a bit loose with his passing yesterday, but that was out of character I thought. He's generally pretty tidy, but it was always likely to impact his game having Colback to work off instead of Shelvey. If you judge him purely as a defensive midfielder, he does that job really well because he's quick and strong in the tackle. That's why you won't see him tugging shirts of players who are running away from him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:21:54 PM
He was a bit loose with his passing yesterday, but that was out of character I thought. He's generally pretty tidy, but it was always likely to impact his game having Colback to work off instead of Shelvey. If you judge him purely as a defensive midfielder, he does that job really well because he's quick and strong in the tackle. That's why you won't see him tugging shirts of players who are running away from him.

He keeps pace and you can see him biding his time just right for those strong tackles. He was a little sloppy yesterday. Not s*** though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Given his passes actually try to influence the play and move the team forward on occasion it should come as no great surprise less find their man.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:28:16 PM
Was trying to play the Shelvey role at times and failed miserably. It's not his game and he'll be fine next to a creative player again.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:28:38 PM
Given his passes actually try to influence the play and move the team forward on occasion it should come as no great surprise less find their man.
Still got an 80% pass rate over the season too according to WhoScored, fairly decent. I really like him and actually thought he looked good yesterday, he just cannot replace Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Aiston on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:28:59 PM
Very good defensively but ask any more of him and he's s***. Perfect player to have next to someone creative.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:35:12 PM
He made a great run into the channel and then subsequently into the box, which he then crossed the ball with his weaker foot to set up a chance for Clark that was tipped over yesterday. You'd not see Colback do that.  He regularly gets into the box and uses his athleticism to cross or shoot. His assist against Reading was one example and there was another game at SJP where he got into the box, cut back and smashed a left footed shot against the post. His sliding tackles are often excellent too. His shooting isn't the best.

He's not the perfect player at all but there's more than enough to suggest he isn't 'utter s***' especially in his first proper season as a regular.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:37:03 PM
Hayden won several tackles in important positions leading to attacks yesterday and usually does, which is why Rafa likes him so much. The problem is that he's extremely limited on the ball and when asked to play a little bit out of the realms of his comfort zone in lieu of Shelvey he was always going to be found wanting.

Aye. But I do like how he see's the need to influence a game. Colback and Anita's will never attempt to do so,
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:39:23 PM
He made a great run into the channel and then subsequently into the box, which he then crossed the ball with his weaker foot to set up a chance for Clark that was tipped over. yesterday  He regularly gets into the box and uses his athleticism to cross or shoot. His assist against Reading was one example and there was another game at SJP where he got into the box, cut back and smashed a left footed shot against the post. His sliding tackles are often excellent too. His shooting isn't the best.

He's not the perfect player at all but there's more than enough to suggest he isn't 'utter s***' especially in his first proper season as a regular.
Post against Preston in the cup too was good play. He's obviously not a young Yaya Toure but I think he has a lot more to him than just playing the enforcer - just still nowhere near enough that we can afford to have him in a partnership with Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:39:34 PM
Given his passes actually try to influence the play and move the team forward on occasion it should come as no great surprise less find their man.
Still got an 80% pass rate over the season too according to WhoScored, fairly decent. I really like him and actually thought he looked good yesterday, he just cannot replace Shelvey.

Higher than I thought tbh, his short passing game is improving despite having a solid Arsenal basis. Hopefully he's been working on longer game in training. Seems to be the sort that would be looking to improve.

I really like him though so I'm a tad bias. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Hayden won several tackles in important positions leading to attacks yesterday and usually does, which is why Rafa likes him so much. The problem is that he's extremely limited on the ball and when asked to play a little bit out of the realms of his comfort zone in lieu of Shelvey he was always going to be found wanting.
I don't think he's limited on the ball at all. I think that he's got a decent range of passing on him, he's just not somebody to rely on to create things for you.

Yeah, he's certainly not limited - that's a weird conclusion to come to. He's displayed some really good passing (cute short passes, as well as more expansive stuff) and has made some really impressive driving runs. He shouldn't be your main creative central force in midfield but he's a very capable partner for someone of that ilk.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gottlob on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 05:03:43 PM
He put in some promising performances earlier in the season, but I think he's on a poor run. His inclination seems to be to drop deep and pick up the ball from the centre backs, but even when Shelvey's playing we are desperate for a more progressive midfielder, who can carry the ball and play short passes higher up the pitch. Perhaps Rafa's system comes into it too, and Hayden can sometimes look less comfortable in more attacking areas, but I think he's much more effective when he does push further forward.

As it is he's hitting far too many long passes, and his all-round game has become sloppy. He's certainly someone to persist with in the long term, but I'd have gone with Diame and Anita in the middle yesterday, and if they're generally needed elsewhere a new central midfielder is a must.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Slim on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 06:45:52 PM
Very impressed with how many tackles he wins that sets attacks up. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 07:27:43 PM
Hayden won several tackles in important positions leading to attacks yesterday and usually does, which is why Rafa likes him so much. The problem is that he's extremely limited on the ball and when asked to play a little bit out of the realms of his comfort zone in lieu of Shelvey he was always going to be found wanting.
I don't think he's limited on the ball at all. I think that he's got a decent range of passing on him, he's just not somebody to rely on to create things for you.

Yeah, he's certainly not limited - that's a weird conclusion to come to. He's displayed some really good passing (cute short passes, as well as more expansive stuff) and has made some really impressive driving runs. He shouldn't be your main creative central force in midfield but he's a very capable partner for someone of that ilk.

Are you both on glue? You both concede he has limitations on the ball. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 07:35:42 PM
I watched him closely last night for the first time and he's a good player like. If he can improve his shooting and selects his passing a bit better he can be a very handy player in the top flight. He's deceptively quick, strong, reads play well off the ball and likes to get involved on and off the ball. I like him and he has a good future.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mighty__mag on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 08:11:00 PM
Hayden won several tackles in important positions leading to attacks yesterday and usually does, which is why Rafa likes him so much. The problem is that he's extremely limited on the ball and when asked to play a little bit out of the realms of his comfort zone in lieu of Shelvey he was always going to be found wanting.
I don't think he's limited on the ball at all. I think that he's got a decent range of passing on him, he's just not somebody to rely on to create things for you.

Yeah, he's certainly not limited - that's a weird conclusion to come to. He's displayed some really good passing (cute short passes, as well as more expansive stuff) and has made some really impressive driving runs. He shouldn't be your main creative central force in midfield but he's a very capable partner for someone of that ilk.

Are you both on glue? You both concede he has limitations on the ball. :lol:

Both on man glue
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: alijmitchell on Tuesday 3 January 2017, 08:12:16 PM
From the highlights, he looked decent
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Monday 16 January 2017, 10:30:51 PM
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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Monday 16 January 2017, 10:35:43 PM
I watched him closely last night for the first time and he's a good player like. If he can improve his shooting and selects his passing a bit better he can be a very handy player in the top flight. He's deceptively quick, strong, reads play well off the ball and likes to get involved on and off the ball. I like him and he has a good future.

Been impressed with him since pre-season, has genuine quality. Possibly needs to sharpen up in some situations but he'll only get better.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Monday 16 January 2017, 10:56:00 PM
I watched him closely last night for the first time and he's a good player like. If he can improve his shooting and selects his passing a bit better he can be a very handy player in the top flight. He's deceptively quick, strong, reads play well off the ball and likes to get involved on and off the ball. I like him and he has a good future.

Been impressed with him since pre-season, has genuine quality. Possibly needs to sharpen up in some situations but he'll only get better.
Still think he's being played out of position. Should be a box to boxer in a 4 or 5 as opposed to a DM in a 2 IMO
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Monday 16 January 2017, 11:53:16 PM
He doesn't play as a traditional DM and does play box to box though ???

He often breaks up play and drives us forward with the ball. He also gets quite a lot of touches in the penalty area from driving with the ball or good runs.

In my mind a defensive midfielder for us is like Tiote who I can barely remember ever touching the ball in the opposition penalty area. He rarely got forward whereas Hayden does quite frequently for a centre mid
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 12:25:43 AM
He doesn't play as a traditional DM and does play box to box though ???

He often breaks up play and drives us forward with the ball. He also gets quite a lot of touches in the penalty area from driving with the ball or good runs.

In my mind a defensive midfielder for us is like Tiote who I can barely remember ever touching the ball in the opposition penalty area. He rarely got forward whereas Hayden does quite frequently for a centre mid

Your watching different games to me, I remember him gettting forward V Birmingham and Reading. Outside of that he's been Shelveys side kick....in fact he needs to grow up and take charge a bit.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 10:02:19 AM
He drove us forward a lot in the Blackburn game when Shelvey was out. There was another game where he drove forward cut inside and hit the post. He won the ball back and drove forward and got into the box when Diame scored against Wigan.  There's other examples too.

I really don't think he's being played just as a typical DM that aggressively breaks up play and recycles position like Romeu at Southampton for example or Tiote. He drives forward a lot
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Scoot on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 10:17:08 AM
Hayden is definitely more of a box to box midfielder, not so much when Shelvey is playing beside him but certainly when he's been paired with Colback this past month. He certainly pops up in the opposition box a lot more than your traditional defensive midfielder would.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Box to box is misleading.   Kante doesn't sit in front of the defence at all but i wouldn't call him box to box.  Can't think of many genuine box to box players anymore. You've got good overall players that influence in attack and defence.  Think kroos and Modric but they rarely seem to be in the box and score few goals.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 11:30:55 AM
TBH Hayden has had more good games in 6 months than Colback has had in his entire worthless career. The fact people can criticise aspects of Haydens game instead of posting "f*** off Colback" should be evidence enough to give a 21 year old abit more slack. Especially when Shelvey is out.

He improves our midfield, I always expect him to come out of a 50/50 with the ball. He's quick, positions himself well and can pass and get forward, albeit not with much end product. But then again he cost about 2 million and this is his first run of full competitive games in his career.

I like him. Alot :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 12:53:46 PM
Basic things like trying to pass forward, the ability to move at some kind of pace, the ability to win a header makes him look a beast compared to Colback. Colback makes the game look very hard. I could play like Jack.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Paully on Saturday 21 January 2017, 07:33:52 AM
Newcastle midfielder Hayden reveals he almost played for Arsenal

http://dailym.ai/2iLkLBI
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Saturday 21 January 2017, 08:11:19 PM
Proper display today, dominated the midfield.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Saturday 21 January 2017, 08:14:29 PM
MOTM for me, ran the show.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: palnese on Saturday 21 January 2017, 08:18:37 PM
You can tell he's an Arsenal product. Canny player, but he really is soft as s****.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Saturday 21 January 2017, 08:50:37 PM
Struggling at the end today, hopefully just fatigue.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Saturday 21 January 2017, 08:56:00 PM
Remarkable value for money
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 21 January 2017, 09:55:19 PM
You can tell he's an Arsenal product. Canny player, but he really is soft as s****.
:dowie: :dowie:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 21 January 2017, 10:04:10 PM
He got fouled loads today. The tackle on him at the end of the first half and led to the freekick for our goal looked quite nasty from my seat. Not sure if it could have been more than a yellow card, haven't seen any discussion of it in the match thread so presume the referee made the right call
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Saturday 21 January 2017, 10:07:36 PM
He got fouled loads today. The tackle on him at the end of the first half and led to the freekick for our goal looked quite nasty from my seat. Not sure if it could have been more than a yellow card, haven't seen any discussion of it in the match thread so presume the referee made the right call

Probably an orange if there was such a thing. Could've been a lot worse as the tacklers feet went either side of Hayden's leg.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 21 January 2017, 10:10:20 PM
:thup:

Reaction of our players made me think the referee might produce a red.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Saturday 21 January 2017, 10:13:02 PM
Ref had already blown for the initial foul seconds before so maybe he didn't see it fully. Couldn't have complained too much if it was a red mind. s*** clogger that he was.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 11:45:33 AM
You can tell he's an Arsenal product. Canny player, but he really is soft as s****.

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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andymc1 on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 11:50:16 AM
You can tell he's an Arsenal product. Canny player, but he really is soft as s****.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif)

:thup:

Definitely not "soft as s****" like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 12:46:39 PM
He's a bit soft like. He's down for treatment at least once in most games. Doesn't affect his actual play though
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: John P on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 12:52:54 PM
He's a bit soft like. He's down for treatment at least once in most games. Doesn't affect his actual play though

Usually because he's just chucked himself into a crunching tackle though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 12:55:27 PM
I do that now. Mostly because I play like Scott Parker and don't have the stamina to match.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 12:56:14 PM
He's a bit soft like. He's down for treatment at least once in most games. Doesn't affect his actual play though

That's because he goes in for every challenge and tackle so will inevitably pick up knocks. I don't think that means he's soft.

He's doing well to keep himself fit considering he's played more games at this level than he ever has before
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 12:59:40 PM
He's a bit soft like. He's down for treatment at least once in most games. Doesn't affect his actual play though

That's because he goes in for every challenge and tackle so will inevitably pick up knocks. I don't think that means he's soft.

He's doing well to keep himself fit considering he's played more games at this level than he ever has before
Loads of players of that type go in hard for challenges and are rarely down for treatment
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 01:07:36 PM
If he needs treatment I don't see the point in him not getting it especially if it ensures that the knock won't get aggravated for the rest of the game.

Most players aren't 21 year olds having to play nearly every game in their first full season against teams who are trying to break up any rhythm we can build up so are probably more susceptible to knocks with his tiredness and fatigue. He's probably knackered too
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 01:08:49 PM
He's catching a breather but doesn't want to show it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Sho'Time on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 01:53:54 PM
Don't get how anyone can knock him at all, given his age and the fact this is his first ever season playing regular competitive football. He's been one of our unsung heroes this season.

Also love his urgency on the break, even after putting a crunching tackle in he just drives the team forward. You can tell he's played in a Wenger set-up during his early days.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 01:57:35 PM
Not knocking him, he's probably better off staying down if he has a niggle, it's just unlike most players
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:00:35 PM
If this bloke is soft then he has massive confidence in his tackling ability.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: themanupstairs on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:00:59 PM
You can tell he's an Arsenal product. Canny player, but he really is soft as s****.

What the :anguish:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:01:32 PM
At least the game is usually stopped when he has lie down unlike King Jackie First Choice I
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:11:08 PM
Supposedly pulled over at the side of the road to help some lad he saw having a fit.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:11:31 PM
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Sho'Time on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:15:20 PM
Supposedly pulled over at the side of the road to help some lad he saw having a fit.

Was probably just taking a breather.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:58:25 PM

Turns out he's a big softie :aww: rather than a big soft c***.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 03:07:41 PM
That's class if true
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 03:16:58 PM
Supposedly pulled over at the side of the road to help some lad he saw having a fit.

Was probably just taking a breather.

:lol:

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 03:17:43 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 04:02:28 PM
I laughed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:52:54 PM
Surprised this hasn't been bumped as he put in an absolute abomination of a display today. Like Perez looked completely lacking in confidence.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:53:20 PM
He was very poor, to be fair.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:53:42 PM
Surprised this hasn't been bumped as he put in an absolute abomination of a display today. Like Perez looked completely lacking in confidence.

You Wongaloids did the same in the stands tonight tbh.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Aiston on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:54:37 PM
Great assist, not much good elsewhere.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:54:53 PM
Surprised this hasn't been bumped as he put in an absolute abomination of a display today. Like Perez looked completely lacking in confidence.

You Wongaloids did the same in the stands tonight tbh.

:lol: The corner as always tried to get the rest going to no avail. Certainly generated more an atmosphere than some plum complaining about the crowd online though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:55:20 PM
Created one goal and should have got another assist for the Gouffran chance tbf, despite being dog poo first half in particular.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:55:35 PM
Got an assist and should have had another after a poor finish from Ayoze, wasn't great by and stretch but also wasn't as bad as some think imho
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:55:57 PM
TBH I would be tempted to buy a pure enforcer that would allow Shelvey to play further forward. These two can't make a midfield in the PL, and Shelvey with a more creative player won't provide enough solidity.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: BeloEmre on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:57:49 PM
Got an assist and should have had another after a poor finish from Ayoze, wasn't great by and stretch but also wasn't as bad as some think imho
Could easily had another assist on Gouffrans chance at the end too.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: magorific on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 10:59:07 PM
Improved massively in the second half. Looked and moved like he was carrying some sort of brain injury before the break.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:01:50 PM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:03:09 PM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:05:00 PM
Only saw the second half but he created three brilliant chances from what I saw
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:05:18 PM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas! Hipster grief too, superb.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas!

Same s**** in every thread man. Any criticism levelled at a player who isn't Colback or Dummett is seemingly racist/anti-non-geordies. Was f***ing tedious ages ago.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:13:49 PM
s*** first half, pretty good second half, where he had a great assist and also the beautiful through ball to Perez.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:36:18 PM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas!

Same s**** in every thread man. Any criticism levelled at a player who isn't Colback or Dummett is seemingly racist/anti-non-geordies. Was f***ing tedious ages ago.

You forgot Sammy (who is also s**** btw) and it's nowt to do with race, xenophobia perhaps. I'll just never get behind s****, perceived try hards who contribute f*** all or who are believed to do more than others based on nowt bar their birthplace, I'd prefer to focus on what they might be able to or are contributing.

Obviously I'm so hip David Batty and Peter Beardsley are probably my two favourable NUFC players. White, English scum ;).
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: BlueStar on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:38:27 PM
He was absolutely f***ing w*** today. Expected far too much time on the ball, was caught in possession all the time.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:47:00 PM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas!

Same s**** in every thread man. Any criticism levelled at a player who isn't Colback or Dummett is seemingly racist/anti-non-geordies. Was f***ing tedious ages ago.

You forgot Sammy (who is also s**** btw) and it's nowt to do with race, xenophobia perhaps. I'll just never get behind s****, perceived try hards who contribute f*** all or who are believed to do more than others based on nowt bar their birthplace, I'd prefer to focus on what they might be able to or are contributing.

Obviously I'm so hip David Batty and Peter Beardsley are probably my two favourable NUFC players. White, English scum ;).

Ah right, so that'll be a xenophobic attack on the English Isaac Hayden posted earlier, rather than a bog standard review of a player who many agree had a poor game :thup: Sick of this place like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:53:24 PM
Like to see him in a middle 4 with more options to look for up front.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 1 February 2017, 11:55:57 PM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas!

Same s**** in every thread man. Any criticism levelled at a player who isn't Colback or Dummett is seemingly racist/anti-non-geordies. Was f***ing tedious ages ago.

You forgot Sammy (who is also s**** btw) and it's nowt to do with race, xenophobia perhaps. I'll just never get behind s****, perceived try hards who contribute f*** all or who are believed to do more than others based on nowt bar their birthplace, I'd prefer to focus on what they might be able to or are contributing.

Obviously I'm so hip David Batty and Peter Beardsley are probably my two favourable NUFC players. White, English scum ;).

Ah right, so that'll be a xenophobic attack on the English Isaac Hayden posted earlier, rather than a bog standard review of a player who many agree had a poor game :thup: Sick of this place like.

Bye then.  We won't miss you.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 2 February 2017, 12:06:32 AM
Like to see him in a middle 4 with more options to look for up front.

Think it's fair to say a lot of our players don't quite suite the 4-2-3-1, like. On the other hand our best 2 players most certainly do, so it's difficult to argue with when it gets results.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Thursday 2 February 2017, 12:11:43 AM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas!

Same s**** in every thread man. Any criticism levelled at a player who isn't Colback or Dummett is seemingly racist/anti-non-geordies. Was f***ing tedious ages ago.

You forgot Sammy (who is also s**** btw) and it's nowt to do with race, xenophobia perhaps. I'll just never get behind s****, perceived try hards who contribute f*** all or who are believed to do more than others based on nowt bar their birthplace, I'd prefer to focus on what they might be able to or are contributing.

Obviously I'm so hip David Batty and Peter Beardsley are probably my two favourable NUFC players. White, English scum ;).

Ah right, so that'll be a xenophobic attack on the English Isaac Hayden posted earlier, rather than a bog standard review of a player who many agree had a poor game :thup: Sick of this place like.

Was speaking in general defence of myself about you saying I brought race into it not directly about Hayden. He was predominately s**** tonight I agree, yet still managed an assist.

We all have our favourites but it's mad given the performances of others picking him out tonight. Forgive me for my bias towards him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Thursday 2 February 2017, 12:16:40 AM
Like to see him in a middle 4 with more options to look for up front.

Think it's fair to say a lot of our players don't quite suite the 4-2-3-1, like. On the other hand our best 2 players most certainly do, so it's difficult to argue with when it gets results.
I'm sure Shelvey could handle a middle 4 at this level and Gayle should thrive if we are more on the front foot because of it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Thursday 2 February 2017, 05:45:28 AM
Like to see him in a middle 4 with more options to look for up front.

Think it's fair to say a lot of our players don't quite suite the 4-2-3-1, like. On the other hand our best 2 players most certainly do, so it's difficult to argue with when it gets results.
I'm sure Shelvey could handle a middle 4 at this level and Gayle should thrive if we are more on the front foot because of it.

Gayle already thrives though?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Thursday 2 February 2017, 05:48:39 AM
Like to see him in a middle 4 with more options to look for up front.

Think it's fair to say a lot of our players don't quite suite the 4-2-3-1, like. On the other hand our best 2 players most certainly do, so it's difficult to argue with when it gets results.

We play much closer to 4-4-2 when Perez plays, tbh. I don't see another especially obvious formation to play, considering our defensive ability.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 2 February 2017, 05:55:44 AM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas!

Same s**** in every thread man. Any criticism levelled at a player who isn't Colback or Dummett is seemingly racist/anti-non-geordies. Was f***ing tedious ages ago.

You forgot Sammy (who is also s**** btw) and it's nowt to do with race, xenophobia perhaps. I'll just never get behind s****, perceived try hards who contribute f*** all or who are believed to do more than others based on nowt bar their birthplace, I'd prefer to focus on what they might be able to or are contributing.

Obviously I'm so hip David Batty and Peter Beardsley are probably my two favourable NUFC players. White, English scum ;).

Ah right, so that'll be a xenophobic attack on the English Isaac Hayden posted earlier, rather than a bog standard review of a player who many agree had a poor game :thup: Sick of this place like.

Bye then.  We won't miss you.

Carry on like this earns this place a rep of boys club. Wind your neck in.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Doctor Zaius on Thursday 2 February 2017, 05:56:24 AM
Shame he can't change of place birth to appease the super's. s**** performance, s**** assist, s**** cockney.

Oh do f*** off you desperate hipster bore.

Yaaaaas!

Same s**** in every thread man. Any criticism levelled at a player who isn't Colback or Dummett is seemingly racist/anti-non-geordies. Was f***ing tedious ages ago.

You forgot Sammy (who is also s**** btw) and it's nowt to do with race, xenophobia perhaps. I'll just never get behind s****, perceived try hards who contribute f*** all or who are believed to do more than others based on nowt bar their birthplace, I'd prefer to focus on what they might be able to or are contributing.

Obviously I'm so hip David Batty and Peter Beardsley are probably my two favourable NUFC players. White, English scum ;).

Ah right, so that'll be a xenophobic attack on the English Isaac Hayden posted earlier, rather than a bog standard review of a player who many agree had a poor game :thup: Sick of this place like.

Bye then.  We won't miss you.

Some nerve like :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tsunami on Thursday 2 February 2017, 06:38:40 AM
Him, Lascelles and Perez were awful yesterday. That's a straight line through the backbone of the team; first half was particularly bad.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Thursday 2 February 2017, 06:49:18 AM
He looked jaded last night not surprising given the amount of games he's played and the lack of rotation he's had given how weak we are in midfield.

Also it isn't surprising your players are being inconsistent and not showing huge leadership they need time to develop these skills.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Thursday 2 February 2017, 07:53:32 AM
I thought he was one of our better players last night? So about a 5 or 6 out of 10, then. To a man, we were just rubbish. Which is a bit if a worry. Glad we rested all those players at Oxford. Looked well worth it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Friday 3 February 2017, 11:53:53 AM
His first season being first choice right?

Anyway, I do really like that he's quite astute at creating chances on the turn around the box. Refreshing from a guy who's been billed as our holder. Far from it, high ceiling too just very raw still.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 4 February 2017, 08:12:31 PM
Any news on his injury or was he just knackered?

Not his best couple of games recently but hope those who think he's just a holding player change their opinions of him. Gets into the box regularly and could have had 4 assists in the last 2 games
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: jimmymag on Saturday 4 February 2017, 08:46:54 PM
Any news on his injury or was he just knackered?

Not his best couple of games recently but hope those who think he's just a holding player change their opinions of him. Gets into the box regularly and could have had 4 assists in the last 2 games

He got forward a lot today but, when he had chances, totally lacked any composure. Much rather see him protecting the back 4 and letting others get forward who are capable of scoring goals.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 4 February 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Terrible shooting but otherwise solid, thought once he went off we were much more open to attacks
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 4 February 2017, 11:31:39 PM
Still can't work out whether I like him or not, he has had great games but also some absolutely dire games, I can tell you this though he is not a premier league standard CM, at least not yet, heavy investment needed in the middle if we clinch promotion.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 5 February 2017, 12:12:31 AM
Switches off when he gets too comfy at times. When he's not being complacent he's a very useful player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 5 February 2017, 12:32:23 AM
I can tell you this though he is not a premier league standard CM, at least not yet, heavy investment needed in the middle if we clinch promotion.

This is definitely true. Not a PL player yet by a long way.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Sunday 5 February 2017, 07:39:00 AM
I still don't particularly rate the lad. Needs to up his game several levels should we go up. Either that or he'll be replaced.
Shoots like a girl as well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Sunday 5 February 2017, 08:11:07 AM
His form has dipped this last month or so and I'm guessing it could be to do with him playing through injury.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 5 February 2017, 08:23:26 AM
Any news on his injury or was he just knackered?

Not his best couple of games recently but hope those who think he's just a holding player change their opinions of him. Gets into the box regularly and could have had 4 assists in the last 2 games

He's one of those I have questions about mentally. He's clearly got more than enough ability to be far more than just a defensive midfielder, but when he's under pressure a lot of simple passes start going astray. I wonder if that's why Arsenal let him go?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Sunday 5 February 2017, 09:57:28 AM
I really like some aspects of his game but the amount of time he's lost possession of the ball lately when in tight positions is way too many. And the situations where this happens aren't even that tight at times. Needs to up his game when it comes to this.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Sunday 5 February 2017, 12:34:42 PM
His first touch at times is appalling, which is a big factor in him losing the ball so often.

He either looks excellent in a match or completely pants, still a better option than Colback but he has lots to learn.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Sunday 5 February 2017, 12:46:47 PM
Still don't rate this lad. Wouldn't be anywhere near the team if we go up.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 5 February 2017, 12:49:38 PM
Still don't rate this lad. Wouldn't be anywhere near the team if we go up.

He's not ready for a full PL season that's for sure, but neither is Colback and he's been starting for us and the mackems for years. We definitely need an upgrade but if it was a straight choice between Hayden and powder-puff gingerback, I know who I'd go for.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Sunday 5 February 2017, 05:32:32 PM
I think he's a really promising player, full of talent. Not the finished article by any stretch of course, but I hope we stick with him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andy84 on Sunday 5 February 2017, 05:53:33 PM
I think he's a really promising player, full of talent. Not the finished article by any stretch of course, but I hope we stick with him.

Yep, think this is his first proper season as well in senior football.  Played for Hull last season but was in and out.  You can tell he's had a good upbringing in the game when he was young imo, good attitude as well.  Can only see him getting better
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 5 February 2017, 06:04:19 PM
I think he's a really promising player, full of talent. Not the finished article by any stretch of course, but I hope we stick with him.
:thup: he is a holding midfielder too let us not forget, can't be too disappointed when he doesn't sure fantastic composure in the final third.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 12 February 2017, 12:52:39 AM
Thought we missed him heavily tonight. He makes us so much more mobile and competitive.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Sunday 12 February 2017, 12:58:26 AM
We've been s**** for basically every second since he went off against Derby
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 12 February 2017, 11:42:13 AM
Would be alright if his backup was someone other than Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: palnese on Sunday 12 February 2017, 12:00:59 PM
Before we signed him I'm sure I read he used to play deep in midfield or as a CB, even at RB. He looks more like a natural box-to-box midfielder to me.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 12 February 2017, 12:04:52 PM
Sometimes he does have the first touch of a Centreback
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: SteveMc on Sunday 12 February 2017, 12:56:29 PM
His will be  a welcome return midweek
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: palnese on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:13:59 PM
Out for four weeks.

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:14:14 PM
Out for 4 weeks after undergoing surgery.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:15:17 PM
ffs
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:15:31 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: joeyt on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:15:58 PM
Good job we didn't buy a midfielder in January
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Bimpy474 on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:17:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hVriu00.png)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: xLiaaamx on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:17:41 PM
It has to be Diame and Shelvey then. We can't keep playing Colback, it will cost us promotion,
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Ian W on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:17:43 PM
Time for Chancel to lace up his midfield boots. Or Colback just to play every game.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:19:24 PM
Shelvey, Diame and Perez behind Gayle. PLEASE.

Or Anita, whatever happened to him?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Mike on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:19:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hVriu00.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/xH26M3C.gif)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Beren on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:19:48 PM
What kind of surgery?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: sempuki on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:20:26 PM
Ginger Pirlo gets a stay of execution. Wish it was an actual execution.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: joeyt on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:24:08 PM
It's almost as if this was going to happen what with him playing regularly in his first full season and a real lack of alternatives. Shame he's such a soft player and always needs treatment, should be playing through this injury if he had anything about him
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: xLiaaamx on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:24:49 PM
It's almost as if this was going to happen what with him playing regularly in his first full season and a real lack of alternatives. Shame he's such a soft player and always needs treatment, should be playing through this injury if he had anything about him

Put that rod away.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:25:28 PM
f***ing hell. s**** news.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:26:59 PM
What kind of surgery?

With no anesthesia
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: TRon on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:32:42 PM
Time for Chancel to lace up his midfield boots. Or Colback just to play every game.

Mbemba should come into serious consideration surely? With Anita, Tiote and Hayden all out of the picture, we are desperately short of a decent defensive midfield option.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:32:48 PM
Urgh
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: palnese on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:35:26 PM
It's almost as if this was going to happen what with him playing regularly in his first full season and a real lack of alternatives. Shame he's such a soft player and always needs treatment, should be playing through this injury if he had anything about him

(http://cdn4.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Dawson_Crying.gif)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:38:21 PM
Tits
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Minhosa on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:48:08 PM
Big loss this fella IMHO.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Disco on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:54:12 PM
What kind of surgery?

cankle
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Gorilla on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:56:12 PM
Surely we will see Chancel get a game now.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: St1pe on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:57:57 PM
Hopefully Anita is back soon or Mbemba is given a go.

That hard run of games with Colback in every week isn't ideal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: KaKa on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:58:40 PM
Hahahaha! Well you really couldn't make this up. Of course Hayden gets injured and not Colback. Yes, of course that would happen. I mean why not? Why not? I mean having it happen the other way around would just be inconsiderate right? RIGHT? RIGHT?!!

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: KaKa on Friday 17 February 2017, 01:59:11 PM
We are in serious trouble.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: TRon on Friday 17 February 2017, 02:03:32 PM
We are in serious trouble.

Hardly. Colback's often been preferred in any case, if he gets injured or suspended we might end up with a better midfield anyway if Rafa's forced to reshuffle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: John P on Friday 17 February 2017, 02:05:43 PM
Anita is back in training so hopefully he can do a job for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: triggs on Friday 17 February 2017, 02:06:45 PM
Grim news. Thought he was contributing very well going forward lately
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: St1pe on Friday 17 February 2017, 02:18:28 PM
I've just read he has played through the ankle injury over the past few weeks. I guess it explains why he was so inconsistent v QPR and Derby.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 17 February 2017, 02:19:30 PM
I'd play Diame alongside Shelvey and just leave Perez where he is. Unfortunately that's not going to happen and Colback will be a guaranteed starter for the next few games.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: TRon on Friday 17 February 2017, 02:53:20 PM
I'd play Diame alongside Shelvey and just leave Perez where he is. Unfortunately that's not going to happen and Colback will be a guaranteed starter for the next few games.

Who would play the defensive midfielder in that partnership? Shelvey I presume. Not ideal, but I suppose he wouldn't be any worse defensively than Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Bimpy474 on Friday 17 February 2017, 03:13:36 PM
I'd play Diame alongside Shelvey and just leave Perez where he is. Unfortunately that's not going to happen and Colback will be a guaranteed starter for the next few games.

Who would play the defensive midfielder in that partnership? Shelvey I presume. Not ideal, but I suppose he wouldn't be any worse defensively than Colback.

Well Colback doesn't offer any protection to the back four anyways, giving away ridiculous fouls in dangerous areas should stop so it couldn't be worse. I'd rather it be Diame and Shelvey, than Colback with anyone else.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: TRon on Friday 17 February 2017, 03:38:39 PM
I'd play Diame alongside Shelvey and just leave Perez where he is. Unfortunately that's not going to happen and Colback will be a guaranteed starter for the next few games.

Who would play the defensive midfielder in that partnership? Shelvey I presume. Not ideal, but I suppose he wouldn't be any worse defensively than Colback.

Well Colback doesn't offer any protection to the back four anyways, giving away ridiculous fouls in dangerous areas should stop so it couldn't be worse. I'd rather it be Diame and Shelvey, than Colback with anyone else.

Yeah I made the same point, just wasn't sure which of the two would be expected to play the holding role since Shelvey and Diame are attacking midfielders usually.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Shak on Friday 17 February 2017, 04:10:12 PM
I've just seen this.

Such f***ing bullshit.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Ikon on Friday 17 February 2017, 04:12:22 PM
If Colback didn't play for us it wouldn't be the end of the world :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Friday 17 February 2017, 04:17:13 PM
If Colback died it wouldn't be the end of the world :lol:
Fixed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Ikon on Friday 17 February 2017, 04:18:19 PM
At first I was going to type exactly what you said :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: duo on Friday 17 February 2017, 06:12:42 PM
Lack of Jan signing strikes again  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: gazza ladra on Friday 17 February 2017, 06:34:51 PM
Jack Colback, get used to it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 17 February 2017, 06:47:30 PM
Jack Colback, get used to it.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/19/242A5B1100000578-2881035-Jack_Colback_is_on_the_front_cover_of_Newcastle_s_programme_ahea-m-37_1419027160378.jpg)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: black_n_white on Friday 17 February 2017, 08:02:49 PM
Couldn't give a damn who plays just as long as we are promoted end of the season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Dave on Friday 17 February 2017, 08:05:36 PM
Bad news this. At least Diame is back now, but it definitely means more Colback. Probably the only thing I really don't like about Rafa's selections.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: toon25 on Friday 17 February 2017, 09:22:28 PM
Bollocks.

Just caught up with this.

Guess Ashley's January gamble hasn't paid off then. Who'd have thought?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: merlin on Saturday 18 February 2017, 02:25:52 AM
This is terrible news..means Colback is almost a certainty to feature in most games from now on.
Once again, Ashley, the so-called 'crafty businessman' has gambled and probably cost the club...AGAIN.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 18 February 2017, 04:15:38 AM
Playing a full season with 2 CMs (given that Diame is always played as no.10) capable of starting isn't even a gamble, it's a guaranteed shortcoming.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 19 February 2017, 12:28:24 PM
Playing a full season with 2 CMs (given that Diame is always played as no.10) capable of starting isn't even a gamble, it's a guaranteed shortcoming.

:thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 February 2017, 10:32:46 PM
Get well soon, sweet prince.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: xLiaaamx on Wednesday 1 March 2017, 01:53:29 AM
I miss everything he does.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Monday 6 March 2017, 02:10:28 PM
Well this is awkward.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Disco on Monday 6 March 2017, 02:30:15 PM
Agree. HOUND. HIM. OUT.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Yorkie on Monday 6 March 2017, 02:38:46 PM
???
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 6 March 2017, 02:47:34 PM
hmm?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: La Parka on Monday 6 March 2017, 03:00:03 PM
What..
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: 54 on Monday 6 March 2017, 03:40:51 PM
Huh?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 6 March 2017, 03:51:34 PM
What is he good for...
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: reefatoon on Monday 6 March 2017, 04:01:22 PM
Absolutely nothing
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Altamullan on Monday 6 March 2017, 08:25:21 PM
Say it again.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 11 March 2017, 07:18:19 PM
Missed him loads today, is he back next week?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Mick on Saturday 11 March 2017, 07:51:12 PM
Missed him loads today, is he back next week?

It was said he'd be out for 4 weeks on 17th Feb so he should be back within the next  couple of weeks, I don't know if that's back playing or back in training.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Sima on Saturday 11 March 2017, 07:52:43 PM
Hurry back.  Please.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 11 March 2017, 07:53:45 PM
Missed him loads today, is he back next week?

You would miss Adolf Hitler also when it's that ginger useless c*** playing every week
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: ujpest doza on Saturday 11 March 2017, 07:58:44 PM
He's been back in training this week.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: nufcjb on Sunday 12 March 2017, 05:02:03 AM
Wouldn't rush him back for the Brum game. We got an international break after the game so let him rest up and get fit during that break.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Mick on Sunday 12 March 2017, 11:02:39 AM
Wouldn't rush him back for the Brum game. We got an international break after the game so let him rest up and get fit during that break.

He's had an operation so they will know what the healing time is for it and they'll know when to bring him back.  If he's ready for Birmingham, play him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Elliottman on Saturday 18 March 2017, 06:39:55 PM
Surely back for the two home games? Should make a big difference along with Gayle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 18 March 2017, 06:40:30 PM
Surely back for the two home games? Should make a big difference along with Gayle.

Hopefully.  Don't rush him back though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Mick on Saturday 18 March 2017, 06:45:48 PM
Surely back for the two home games? Should make a big difference along with Gayle.

Hopefully.  Don't rush him back though.

The scar should be well healed by now, it will just be a case of testing it out.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 18 March 2017, 06:47:25 PM
I'd be surprised if he starts both games
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Minhosa on Saturday 18 March 2017, 07:43:43 PM
Really missed this bloke.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 18 March 2017, 07:56:38 PM
Agreed, Minhosa - missed him badly.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 18 March 2017, 08:49:38 PM
If I was a defender I would be livid about playing behind Shelvey and Colback. May as well just have a huge gap in the middle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 18 March 2017, 10:40:06 PM
He's so important for us. not just the fact that Colback is his replacement, he's a really good player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: palnese on Sunday 19 March 2017, 01:36:52 AM
I'd be surprised if he starts both games

First season as a pro ye kna
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: TRon on Sunday 19 March 2017, 10:30:30 AM
If I was a defender I would be livid about playing behind Shelvey and Colback. May as well just have a huge gap in the middle.

People were moaning about the odd misplaced pass. Some don't seem to realise what a difference it makes to a team's defenders and attackers it can make having someone with some power and athleticism in the midfield.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: ExiledGeordie on Sunday 19 March 2017, 10:31:58 AM

Hopefully he'll be close after these next few weeks and involved for the final run in.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 19 March 2017, 10:50:04 AM
I'd be surprised if he starts both games

First season as a pro ye kna
Soft as s**** too
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: sempuki on Thursday 23 March 2017, 06:22:30 AM
Back soon thankfully.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: Mick on Thursday 23 March 2017, 10:02:24 AM
Back in training today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden - out for 4 Weeks having undergone surgery
Post by: reefatoon on Thursday 23 March 2017, 10:07:52 AM
Great news. Get this lad back up to speed as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 23 March 2017, 11:06:22 AM
Signing of the season. Not as much impact as others, but due to his cost that's where he is for me.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Minhosa on Thursday 23 March 2017, 11:42:39 AM
Signing of the season. Not as much impact as others, but due to his cost that's where he is for me.

Yeah - agree with this. Think he's been a bigger miss than Shelvey was when suspended tbh.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 23 March 2017, 04:18:42 PM
Clark is the signing of the season, by far (imo).
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Thursday 23 March 2017, 04:54:37 PM
Clark is the signing of the season, by far (imo).

Yup. Considering how 'meh' it was when we brought him in he's been the exact opposite of what we thought and what we were told he was going to be.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mighty__mag on Thursday 23 March 2017, 05:11:49 PM
Clark has been better than expected.

You could argue Gayle with his goal return.

Ritchie has been a good buy also.

Theres probably 4 to 5 that are relatively consistant.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 23 March 2017, 05:20:08 PM
Clark has been so consistent throughout the whole season more or less. Never had a bad run of games like all the others have.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HawK on Friday 24 March 2017, 11:21:01 AM
Clark has been so consistent throughout the whole season more or less. Never had a bad run of games like all the others have.

If all a defender has to be measured on is not making many mistakes then yes he's done well, but players like Shelvey, Gayle and Ritchie have won us the points that have seen us top the table. God without Shelvey we'd be probably be mid-table, with nothing at all in the middle. It's harder to do it up the other end of the pitch imo. A defender has to be pretty imperious and have a lot more about him to be considered a MOTM let alone POTS. Taking to the extreme, but Ramos for me is a team-defining centre-back and shines alongside Bale and Ronaldo, for different but equally important reasons imo.

The fact that Elliott got POTS last year says it all about the entire squad last year.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Menace on Friday 24 March 2017, 11:28:37 AM
We've bought fairly well tbh. I'm glad cause I thought Gayle and Clark would be s****.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Friday 24 March 2017, 12:42:23 PM
We've bought fairly well tbh. I'm glad cause I thought Gayle and Clark would be s****.

Gayle as well? Surprised, always looked sharp for Palace.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Friday 24 March 2017, 01:18:23 PM
Clark has been so consistent throughout the whole season more or less. Never had a bad run of games like all the others have.

If all a defender has to be measured on is not making many mistakes then yes he's done well, but players like Shelvey, Gayle and Ritchie have won us the points that have seen us top the table. God without Shelvey we'd be probably be mid-table, with nothing at all in the middle. It's harder to do it up the other end of the pitch imo. A defender has to be pretty imperious and have a lot more about him to be considered a MOTM let alone POTS. Taking to the extreme, but Ramos for me is a team-defining centre-back and shines alongside Bale and Ronaldo, for different but equally important reasons imo.

The fact that Elliott got POTS last year says it all about the entire squad last year.

I agree, I think Hayden has been a bigger miss than Clark would be, if only because we don't have a replacement who can do anywhere near as an effective job. At least if Clark was out then you could draft in Hanley or Mbemba who are more than capable of doing a job.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Friday 24 March 2017, 10:36:11 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-isaac-hayden-foodbank-volunteer-10092605
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Friday 24 March 2017, 11:00:25 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-isaac-hayden-foodbank-volunteer-10092605
That man is an all round class act:  :clap:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 24 March 2017, 11:00:28 PM
I think Hayden has been a bigger miss than Clark would be

Nah. You've got to remember, even when fit he was being rotated with Colback. Clark's one of the first names on Rafa's teamsheet.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 24 March 2017, 11:04:59 PM
Surprised he gets his mop chopped on Westgate road. I guess there's no Afro places in Ponteland.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Saturday 25 March 2017, 12:31:42 PM
This lad is a class act, hope he gets plenty of starts next season
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 25 March 2017, 02:48:07 PM
I think Hayden has been a bigger miss than Clark would be

Nah. You've got to remember, even when fit he was being rotated with Colback. Clark's one of the first names on Rafa's teamsheet.

He wasn't rotated much before his injury tbh.  Hayden got injured soon as Shelvey came back from suspension.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: JP on Friday 31 March 2017, 01:51:53 PM
Available for Wigan
Title: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Paully on Friday 31 March 2017, 02:10:34 PM
Available for Wigan

Good stuff - he's been a huge miss!

Hopefully the ginger is benched and set on fire!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: chopey on Friday 31 March 2017, 07:12:40 PM
Available for Wigan

Good stuff - he's been a huge miss!

Hopefully the ginger is benched and set on fire!

What an horrific thing to say that someone should be benched and then set on fire.




He might singe Rafa.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: toondids on Friday 31 March 2017, 07:18:12 PM
Can't wait for Hayden to come back.  He's been nothing short of class for us. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Friday 31 March 2017, 08:51:57 PM
Bit strong, and I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 31 March 2017, 09:53:35 PM
Yeah, he's generally been good. Class is too much.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Friday 31 March 2017, 10:42:50 PM
One of these players who appears to get better by being injured and enforcing a month of Colback on us
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Friday 31 March 2017, 11:30:38 PM
Nah, he's decent.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Friday 31 March 2017, 11:53:01 PM
One of these players who appears to get better by being injured and enforcing a month of Colback on us
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 31 March 2017, 11:54:07 PM
One of these players who appears to get better by being injured and enforcing a month of Colback on us


No, he's actually had a reasonable season and we've missed him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Friday 31 March 2017, 11:59:04 PM
One of these players who appears to get better by being injured and enforcing a month of Colback on us


No, he's actually had a reasonable season and we've missed him.
He's been ok. He's had some poor games and he's had some good ones but he's been nowhere near class like one of the most recent posts claimed.

He's young and has potential but the fact that Colback has been absolute s*** lately is definitely contributing to the ott praise for Hayden.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 1 April 2017, 12:02:24 AM
He's been ok. He's had some poor games and he's had some good ones but he's been nowhere near class like one of the most recent posts claimed.

He's young and has potential but the fact that Colback has been absolute s*** lately is definitely contributing to the ott praise for Hayden.

I think he's been solid, a lot of his work goes unnoticed because he's unspectacular and he just gets on with it and does a job.  He's not always at his best but I can't remember thinking that he's ever had a shitter.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 1 April 2017, 12:26:03 AM
Not the finished article but you get the impression there's more to come from him, and for supposedly being a more defensive minded player hes definitely got some handy attacking qualities (certainly not his shooting mind) hope hes back ASAP ahead of you know who.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: cubaricho on Saturday 1 April 2017, 01:36:07 AM
Saying he's only gotten better because he hasn't been in the squad and Colback has been his replacement is equally as off the mark as saying he's class.

As always the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 1 April 2017, 01:49:57 AM
He's been a bit "meh" for me on the whole. Yet to dominate from that position or even have an MotM performance nor has he had a shitter. He's got talent but he has to impose himself more and he should from the position he plays.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Saturday 1 April 2017, 05:52:37 AM
I didn't say he hasn't been good for us, he's been a relatively good midfielder for this level, but people are making out he's class when he's not.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 1 April 2017, 08:00:27 AM
He's infinitely better than Colback, which I know isn't real praise but it makes a massive difference to our team. It's like playing with 11 men instead of 10 for a start.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 1 April 2017, 12:38:33 PM
He's much better than a few are trying to make out here like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: buzza on Saturday 1 April 2017, 01:34:40 PM
More than good eneough for the championship, but honestly hope we will be looking to upgrade for the prem with hayden as cover...
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Saturday 1 April 2017, 02:53:32 PM
I didn't say he hasn't been good for us, he's been a relatively good midfielder for this level, but people are making out he's class when he's not.

He's not, but then how long has it been since we had a class player in his position? Since we sold Gary Speed and to an extent Jenas, I would argue we've had mostly s*** ones. By that token Hayden is a step up.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 1 April 2017, 08:17:14 PM
It was great to have him back and he should start on Tuesday.  Our game will be so much better if he does start as we'll have movement and drive in the centre of midfield and he's not worried about putting a tackle in which he was doing when he came on today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Saturday 1 April 2017, 08:23:39 PM
Great seeing him back on the pitch today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 1 April 2017, 08:23:51 PM
It was great to have him back and he should start on Tuesday.  Our game will be so much better if he does start as we'll have movement and drive in the centre of midfield and he's not worried about putting a tackle in which he was doing when he came on today.

Hopefully he'll be able to start on Wednesday too ;)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 1 April 2017, 08:25:47 PM
It was great to have him back and he should start on Tuesday.  Our game will be so much better if he does start as we'll have movement and drive in the centre of midfield and he's not worried about putting a tackle in which he was doing when he came on today.

Hopefully he'll be able to start on Wednesday too ;)

:lol: I don't know where that brain fart came from.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 14 April 2017, 11:36:31 PM
I thought that he was outstanding tonight and I don't think it's a coincidence that we played so well having a functional central midfield.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: jimmymag on Friday 14 April 2017, 11:56:58 PM
Why was he taken off for Jog back tonight? Cost us dearly!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Friday 14 April 2017, 11:57:15 PM
Please play every minute till the end of the season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 15 April 2017, 12:00:58 AM
Why was he taken off for Jog back tonight? Cost us dearly!

He looked like he had an impact injury, I expect he'll be OK for Monday as long as it wasn't his bad ankle but it definitely looked like one of his ankles was giving him a problem.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 15 April 2017, 12:02:52 AM
I wouldn't say he was outstanding but he gives us more balance.........git forward more (I know the gaffertells you not to but hell, you'd be better for it)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 15 April 2017, 12:03:36 AM
Thought he was careless with the ball a few times, but other than that we look twice the team when he's playing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 15 April 2017, 12:04:41 AM
I wouldn't say he was outstanding but he gives us more balance.........git forward more (I know the gaffertells you not to but hell, you'd be better for it)

I thought he was outstanding you don't, no biggy.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: jimmymag on Saturday 15 April 2017, 12:16:08 AM
I wouldn't say he was outstanding but he gives us more balance.........git forward more (I know the gaffertells you not to but hell, you'd be better for it)

I thought he was outstanding you don't, no biggy.

Certainly outstanding in comparison to the other options!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: La Parka on Saturday 15 April 2017, 07:30:42 AM
He was knackered when he went off but still would have been better than cack jogback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: palnese on Saturday 15 April 2017, 09:29:45 AM
He really adds a dimension to the attack with his deep runs.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 15 April 2017, 09:36:09 AM
And at least he can be a bit dynamic and physical like a human should be. There was a situation (to name one) just outside of their box when Hayden went in to a situation and managed to get in there before the Leeds defender and took the ball before he got fouled. If it was Colback it would have been a free kick to them for a late challenge by Mr Transparent .
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 15 April 2017, 09:50:17 AM
Thought it was an excellent full return for him, was all over the pitch and some of the tackles he made were great, words cannot describe how much better he is than Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:22:23 AM
A midfielder who puts in a tackle and can turn and pass forward. He can also drive with the ball, and pops up on the flanks calling for the ball, trying to create chances. The difference between him and Turdback is like the difference between Lampard and....Turdback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:25:43 AM
So good to have him back,  hope he isn't knackered for Monday.

Love his late forward runs,  which he's been doing all season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:35:38 AM
So good to have him back,  hope he isn't knackered for Monday.

Love his late forward runs,  which he's been doing all season.

I think we have missed him badly while he's been out. Probably more than we have missed Clark and even Gayle. He helps us keep control of the game and allows Shelvey to play his natural game. He's no world beater, yet, but he's absolutely all over the park, and he seems to understand the game lightyears ahead of his replacement.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nobody on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:39:12 AM
No coincidence that we finally played well for the first time in ages when he was back yesterday.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Saturday 15 April 2017, 02:42:26 PM
His movement is really good, you can tell he grew up at Arsenal. He just opened up the middle of the pitch on numerous occasions and made space for more of our forward players. We need a better version of him next year, but he'll make it as a solid PL player if we develop him the right way.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ujpest doza on Saturday 15 April 2017, 08:08:37 PM
I thought he was man of the match by a country mile. He was everywhere both offensively and defensively.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: frankpingel on Saturday 15 April 2017, 08:13:05 PM
Definitely man of the match for me. Kids got a future and it's nice to watch it develop.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: chopey on Saturday 15 April 2017, 08:17:01 PM
This lad is how we start our team next year
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 15 April 2017, 08:20:53 PM
Never forget:

For all the grief that Colback gets, this kid is utter s**** as well mind.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:26:35 PM
Never forget:

For all the grief that Colback gets, this kid is utter s**** as well mind.

:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:28:23 PM
Kid has a good game against Leeds in the Championship and now he's a superstar that we should build our midfield around.

Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:30:19 PM
Kid has a good game against Leeds in the Championship and now he's a superstar that we should build our midfield around.

Jesus wept.

What.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Pixelphish on Saturday 15 April 2017, 10:31:15 PM
Kid has a good game against Leeds in the Championship and now he's a superstar that we should build our midfield around.

Jesus wept.

I think the point is that he's far from 'utter s****', unlike the post.
Title: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 16 April 2017, 01:06:25 PM
I'm convinced we'd have 4-8 more points with Hayden fully fit. Add Gayle to that and we'd have a gap up top as #1. Shame our replacements have been so crap / underwhelming.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: morla84 on Sunday 16 April 2017, 01:25:10 PM
Made us look a different team the other night, just shows what a steaming pile of s**** Colback is.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 16 April 2017, 01:42:12 PM
He's better than Colback in every respect, like. I just don't get why there was so much rotation with them earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: M4 on Sunday 16 April 2017, 01:49:10 PM
Kid has a good game against Leeds in the Championship and now he's a superstar that we should build our midfield around.

Jesus wept.

What.
Bipolarism is real.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: themanupstairs on Sunday 16 April 2017, 03:22:42 PM
He's better than Colback in every respect, like. I just don't get why there was so much rotation with them earlier in the season.

Probably to avoid burn-out seeing as Hayden had never played a full season as a pro, and had limited appearances, even at Hull.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 16 April 2017, 03:25:06 PM
We really needed another holding midfielder on the books, especially after moving Tiote on. If it's true that we were in for McCarthy in January Rafa probably recognised this mind, but seems like those above him didn't think it was essential.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 16 April 2017, 03:34:18 PM
I'm convinced we'd have 4-8 more points with Hayden fully fit. Add Gayle to that and we'd have a gap up top as #1. Shame our replacements have been so crap / underwhelming.

:thup: injuries have plagued us this season
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 16 April 2017, 11:23:36 PM
We really needed another holding midfielder on the books, especially after moving Tiote on. If it's true that we were in for McCarthy in January Rafa probably recognised this mind, but seems like those above him didn't think it was essential.

Had we signed Andros (convinced Sam strung us along entire time) or McCarthy we'd have secured promotion and be firmly #1 and title about in our hands.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Monday 17 April 2017, 08:40:05 AM

Totally agree (re FSA also).Townsend and Ritchie alternating flanks; would have been awesome to see. Any chance it'll still on for next season, I wonder?.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Monday 17 April 2017, 11:03:14 AM
If Palace stay up I imagine he'll stay put. Unless Sam wants to buy another wing-back or something.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nemtizz on Monday 17 April 2017, 11:11:16 AM
I'd rather we signed someone decent and not bald.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sempuki on Monday 17 April 2017, 12:03:58 PM
If Palace stay up I imagine he'll stay put. Unless Sam wants to buy another wing-back or something.
Townsend will stay now imo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 17 April 2017, 02:35:34 PM
Isaac Hayden
Gives Wor Jack a hidin'
When the ball is loose
He's a fleet footed goose
With a perfect tackle a-slidin'.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 17 April 2017, 08:49:00 PM
I blame the distinct lack of appreciation of my poetry skills for today's loss.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 1964 on Monday 17 April 2017, 08:50:14 PM
I blame your distinct lack of poetry skills 😀
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 17 April 2017, 08:50:55 PM
I blame your distinct lack of poetry skills 😀

I challenge you to a bout of fisticuffs at dawn, dear Sir :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 17 April 2017, 08:56:25 PM
Nowhere near fully fit. He's strapped up to f***. I think Rafa's insistence on Hayden being patched up for these last two games shows exactly how much trust he has in Jogback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Tuesday 18 April 2017, 01:26:17 PM
Losing Hayden and Clark has been worse than losing Gayle TBH.

Even unfit Hayden covers ground, wins tackles, can pass, and make forward runs. Whilst Colback can run around like a kid in a soft play.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Minhosa on Tuesday 18 April 2017, 02:54:59 PM
Losing Hayden and Clark has been worse than losing Gayle TBH.

Even unfit Hayden covers ground, wins tackles, can pass, and make forward runs. Whilst Colback can run around like a kid in a soft play.

Agree with this. Hayden's been a bigger loss than Shelvey when the baldy nut was banned.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Tuesday 18 April 2017, 03:56:01 PM
He put an excellent challenge in at some point yesterday like.

He really is like a million times better than Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 24 April 2017, 11:46:56 PM

 :aww:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 24 April 2017, 11:50:09 PM
Potential this lad, just needs to stay fit
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: La Parka on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 07:51:22 AM
Lovely dynamic box to boxer. His movement is great and brings a lot to our attacking play.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: STM on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 07:53:34 AM
He's much more likely to be a success in the premiership that Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Varadi on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 10:02:30 AM
Think he's a decent player but has there been a single game where he hasn't been down needing treatment at some point? They must teach being a fanny at the Arsenal academy :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 10:14:02 AM
He really makes a huge difference to our team - we'd have been up long ago if he'd stayed fit.  Each time I see him, I'm more and more impressed by his attacking drive as well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 10:35:00 AM
He had a storming game last night, like. Was everywhere.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 10:36:04 AM
Think he's a decent player but has there been a single game where he hasn't been down needing treatment at some point? They must teach being a fanny at the Arsenal academy :lol:

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 11:00:32 AM
Could go on and be a really good PL player. Really enjoy watching him play.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Andymc1 on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 01:40:48 PM
Think he's a decent player but has there been a single game where he hasn't been down needing treatment at some point? They must teach being a fanny at the Arsenal academy :lol:

What?!  :dowie:

It's clear he gets niggles as he launches himself into challenges - often looks like he's going to overstretch when he extends his leg to nick the ball away.

He's the complete opposite of a "fanny" type footballer.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 02:08:04 PM
He played through Injury for a month, what a fanny.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 02:46:37 PM
Could go on and be a really good PL player. Really enjoy watching him play.

I was thinking if he had any real potential Arsenal would never have let him go....then I look at the Arsenal midfield and think they could probably do with someone who puts his foot in.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 03:04:54 PM
Definitely keen to see how he does next season, really like him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ujpest doza on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 03:25:57 PM
How long did it take him to put his boot back on in the penalty area??

Was sat there ages and ended up interferring with Ritchies attempt to cross the ball.

had a very good game though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 03:33:10 PM
Soft c*** looks a player. Had a very positive impact this season and will only get better.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: BrickTop on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 03:40:26 PM
Who would be comfortable with him in the starting XI next season? Love his cheeky incisive runs into the final third when we're struggling to break a team down.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 03:46:08 PM
He shouldn't be called upon as a starter next season, even though I do think he could do a job. He should be used in rotation. Two more CMs needed, one creative and one box-to-box. Shelvey's burnt out, IMO, but he could be really good next season if we can manage his fitness.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 04:38:57 PM
Who would be comfortable with him in the starting XI next season? Love his cheeky incisive runs into the final third when we're struggling to break a team down.

I'd like someone better, but let's not kid ourselves. We haven't had a decent holding midfielder for years now. He's the best by some distance since Jenas/Speed if you discount that one season when Tiote was on form.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 05:14:13 PM
He isn't a holding midfielder really, hence the driving runs into the box
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 05:30:04 PM
He isn't a holding midfielder really, hence the driving runs into the box

Not in the pure sense of the term, in a Rafa team midfielders are all expected to dig in when we don't have possession. Between him and Shelvey I regard him as being the enforcer if you like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 05:36:30 PM
He isn't a holding midfielder really, hence the driving runs into the box

Not in the pure sense of the term, in a Rafa team midfielders are all expected to dig in when we don't have possession. Between him and Shelvey I regard him as being the enforcer if you like.


Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: cubaricho on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 05:37:41 PM
He isn't a holding midfielder really, hence the driving runs into the box

Evidenced by our second goal yesterday, for sure.

I think he's got a bit of everything going for him, really. I'd be tempted to find an upgrade on Shelvey rather than Hayden.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 05:59:23 PM
Still say for the price he's been the signing of the season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 06:12:38 PM
He isn't a holding midfielder really, hence the driving runs into the box

Not in the pure sense of the term, in a Rafa team midfielders are all expected to dig in when we don't have possession. Between him and Shelvey I regard him as being the enforcer if you like.



[emoji38] Not sure I ever saw that. Was that you?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 27 April 2017, 01:40:05 AM
He's remarkably good at actual tackling, especially standing tackles. Not as common as it should be.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Thursday 27 April 2017, 01:57:45 AM
My opinion of him has been well documented but I thought he was outstanding on Monday. Best performance that i've seen from him apart from Hull away in the Cup.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 27 April 2017, 02:04:30 AM
When I saw him at Southend in pre-season I was stoked we'd finally signed a midfielder with his attributes. Really hope he can keep progressing under more pressure next season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:37:52 PM
:smitten:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:40:27 PM
Absolute beast, one player i'm not worried about starting next season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: La Parka on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:40:41 PM
His game is great, going forward improves week by week and so solid defending.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:40:55 PM
Player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:42:06 PM
Most of all, he has the attitude and mentality to get better and better :thup: Has good potential.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:53:09 PM
He was brilliant tonight and did everything, I can't wait to see him mature with us.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:53:20 PM
Rafa will develop this kid if given the time, real potential to be an excellent player IMO :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: U2 on Friday 28 April 2017, 09:54:05 PM
most touches
most passes
most tackles
wonder goal

yup, tidy game
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:07:14 PM
Although Richie and Gayle have taken the headlines, this guy will be the best signing in the long term.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TheInfiniteOdyssey on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:11:53 PM
This fella could develop into a great premier league player under Rafa.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:44:34 PM
I f***ing love this guy.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:45:26 PM
Although Richie and Gayle have taken the headlines, this guy will be the best signing in the long term.

He wont. Bookmark this.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:48:15 PM
Are you and Ian at some sort of psychic retreat or something? One guy's humble-bragging about how he knew back in pre-season this kid's insane, and you adding your own premonitions. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:49:35 PM
Are you and Ian at some sort of psychic retreat or something? One guy's humble-bragging about how he knew back in pre-season this kid's insane, and you adding your own premonitions. :lol:

Just watch and see who's right. He'll forge a decent career as a Championship player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:51:14 PM
Are you and Ian at some sort of psychic retreat or something? One guy's humble-bragging about how he knew back in pre-season this kid's insane, and you adding your own premonitions. :lol:

Just watch and see who's right. He'll forge a decent career as a Championship player.

I'll keep my popcorn warm for when we'll all know who's right. This is gonna be some Internet showdown.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dan on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:51:17 PM
Big future ahead of him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:51:40 PM
Big future ahead of him in the Championship
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mattoon on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:52:17 PM
Are you and Ian at some sort of psychic retreat or something? One guy's humble-bragging about how he knew back in pre-season this kid's insane, and you adding your own premonitions. :lol:

Just watch and see who's right. He'll forge a decent career as a Championship player.

I'll keep my popcorn warm for when we'll all know who's right. This is gonna be some Internet showdown.

I think I just wee'd a little!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:52:35 PM
Are you and Ian at some sort of psychic retreat or something? One guy's humble-bragging about how he knew back in pre-season this kid's insane, and you adding your own premonitions. :lol:

Just watch and see who's right. He'll forge a decent career as a Championship player.

I'll keep my popcorn warm for when we'll all know who's right. This is gonna be some Internet showdown.

I wasn't humble-bragging, I was simply saying I saw Hayden and knew he was the player we needed. You hardly need to be psychic.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:53:01 PM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:54:22 PM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.

That's good to know. What I know is that this forum also thought Anita and Mitrovic were going to be NUFC greats as well. I'll be right on this one.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:56:28 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:58:41 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Penn on Friday 28 April 2017, 10:59:39 PM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.

That's good to know. What I know is that this forum also thought Anita and Mitrovic were going to be NUFC greats as well. I'll be right on this one.

Fingers crossed eh? Oddjob.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:01:27 PM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.

That's good to know. What I know is that this forum also thought Anita and Mitrovic were going to be NUFC greats as well. I'll be right on this one.

Fingers crossed eh? Oddjob.

Crucial input on this debate I feel. Cheers.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:02:22 PM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.

That's good to know. What I know is that this forum also thought Anita and Mitrovic were going to be NUFC greats as well. I'll be right on this one.

:lol: what, you want a f***ing medal?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:03:14 PM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.

That's good to know. What I know is that this forum also thought Anita and Mitrovic were going to be NUFC greats as well. I'll be right on this one.

Fingers crossed eh? Oddjob.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:03:16 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:04:50 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.

I've had plenty to drink. Drunk or sober I still think you're clueless. What's a bruv?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:05:53 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.

I've had plenty to drink. Drunk or sober I still think you're clueless. What's a bruv?

So your main claim in life is being wrong about stuff even when you're drunk or sober. Tell me more.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:06:51 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.

I've had plenty to drink. Drunk or sober I still think you're clueless. What's a bruv?

So your main claim in life is being wrong about stuff even when you're drunk or sober. Tell me more.

What's a bruv?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.

I've had plenty to drink. Drunk or sober I still think you're clueless. What's a bruv?

So your main claim in life is being wrong about stuff even when you're drunk or sober. Tell me more.

What's a bruv?

It was tongue in cheek. What's with calling people clueless when they simply have a different opinion than you? Anyways, you're boring me, p*ss off.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:09:00 PM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.

That's good to know. What I know is that this forum also thought Anita and Mitrovic were going to be NUFC greats as well. I'll be right on this one.

Fingers crossed eh? Oddjob.

:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:09:02 PM
Hayden has loads of potential, he's more likely to become a good premiership footballer than become a championship plodder.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:09:38 PM
 
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.

I've had plenty to drink. Drunk or sober I still think you're clueless. What's a bruv?

So your main claim in life is being wrong about stuff even when you're drunk or sober. Tell me more.

What's a bruv?

It was tongue in cheek. What's with calling people clueless when they simply have a different opinion than you? Anyways, you're boring me, p*ss off.

Now who's started with the insults because they're talking rubbish  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:10:45 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.

I've had plenty to drink. Drunk or sober I still think you're clueless. What's a bruv?

So your main claim in life is being wrong about stuff even when you're drunk or sober. Tell me more.

What's a bruv?

It was tongue in cheek. What's with calling people clueless when they simply have a different opinion than you? Anyways, you're boring me, p*ss off.

Now who's started with the insults because they're talking rubbish  :lol:

Hardly talkin' rubbish. I doubt Hayden's nothing but a Championship player. He can contribute to almost any team below the top 6 in the PL. WATCH THIS SPACE.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:13:02 PM
Anyone noticed that Jack Colback has had quite a long career of Premier League football?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:13:17 PM
Greats :lol: Come off it. Who are these hypothetical posters who thought that? I rate(d) Anita, I still think he's a solid squad utility players, Rafa also seems to think so. And I fell out of love with Mitro around halfway through the relegation season. I've criticized the latter to no end in the Mitro thread.

Just go back to the early parts of their threads. It was clear pretty early on that neither of them would make it as good players here. You're clueless tbh so I won't waste any more time debating it with you.

How did you succumb to personal insults so quickly? :lol: I thought I was having a normal enough conversation with you. It's Friday, have a drink. Chill, bruv.

I've had plenty to drink. Drunk or sober I still think you're clueless. What's a bruv?

So your main claim in life is being wrong about stuff even when you're drunk or sober. Tell me more.

What's a bruv?

It was tongue in cheek. What's with calling people clueless when they simply have a different opinion than you? Anyways, you're boring me, p*ss off.

Now who's started with the insults because they're talking rubbish  :lol:

Hardly talkin' rubbish. I doubt Hayden's nothing but a Championship player. He can contribute to almost any team below the top 6 in the PL. WATCH THIS SPACE.

He's been reasonable, nothing more than that, in a top Championship team. He'll struggle badly next season if he's up against far better midfielders in the PL. Hopefully we don't get to find out.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:14:02 PM
Anyone noticed that Jack Colback has had quite a long career of Premier League football?

You're being clueless, Dave.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:14:09 PM
Anyone noticed that Jack Colback has had quite a long career of Premier League football?

:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:14:47 PM
Anyone noticed that Jack Colback has had quite a long career of Premier League football?

Yep. In teams that were in the bottom 4 or relegated. He's another that needs moving on.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:15:11 PM
I can guarentee nobody in this thread has any real idea of what they're talking about and/or where Hayden will be at in 5 years. Hopefully he does well with us, if not then meh, he's played a big role in getting us promoted.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: jimmymag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:16:37 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:17:48 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nufc4eva on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:19:05 PM
Anyone noticed that Jack Colback has had quite a long career of Premier League football?
Hopefully no more
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:19:55 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!
  He played most of the game along side a footballing cretin and played well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nufc4eva on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:22:05 PM
I would say as a 22 year old with his first proper season in first team he's done well and has grown over the season. Good technique, defends well, covers ground and tactically adept bodes well under Rafa. Hopefully he can impose himself more in next couple of seasons. Young, British and not a complete clogger - he must despise that Ginger c***
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:22:08 PM

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

Yet he had the most touches, made the most passes and won the most tackles out of the 22 players on the pitch tonight.  Did that all happen after his goal?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mattoon on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:22:12 PM
Struggled badly when he was out injured but that could be attributed to the fact it meant Colback played as much as missing out on a decent player. Has the right attributes for his position and could yet develop into a good PL player, then again he might not. I won't pretend to know either way but it's been good to have someone dislodge Colback for most of the season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:25:36 PM

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

Yet he had the most touches, made the most passes and won the most tackles out of the 22 players on the pitch tonight.  Did that all happen after his goal?


Sensible people don't hide behind stats. I learned that when we beat Swansea 2-0 with 24% possession a few years ago. You think the likes of Brian Clough took notice of that rubbish?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:27:43 PM

Sensible people don't hide behind stats. I learned that when we beat Swansea 2-0 with 24% possession a few years ago. You think the likes of Brian Clough took notice of that rubbish?

The stat's back up what I was watching, he had a good game and I didn't see anything from him that made me think playing in the championship was his level.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:28:14 PM
To the naked eye it might have looked like he was having a bad game.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:29:45 PM

Sensible people don't hide behind stats. I learned that when we beat Swansea 2-0 with 24% possession a few years ago. You think the likes of Brian Clough took notice of that rubbish?

The stat's back up what I was watching, he had a good game and I didn't see anything from him that made me think playing in the championship was his level.

I disagree. I thought he was poor 1st half and improved marginally 2nd half. Gained confidence after his goal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:31:19 PM


I disagree. I thought he was poor 1st half and improved marginally 2nd half. Gained confidence after his goal.

I'd worked out that you'd disagreed but thanks for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: polkaDot on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:36:08 PM
Great player, much more to get from this lad.

The doubters can f*** off n'all.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Friday 28 April 2017, 11:39:43 PM
To pretend to be the voice of reason, doing the things Hayden does, when we're without the ball, often goes under the radar. Whilst easy to escape the naked eye, because said eyes are looking elsewhere, you need a player (s) like that in your midfield. If they can also get forward and score goals like at, then happy days.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:17:58 AM
To the naked eye it might have looked like he was having a bad game.

On a scale of Borat to Lisa Ann, how naked are some people's eyes?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:36:39 AM
https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/hayden-happy-to-hit-the-target

He seems level headed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Saturday 29 April 2017, 01:03:54 AM
Didn't see the game tonight but we've seen enough from him this season to suggest he could be a bit of a gem in years to come if he can stay fit and kick on, his attitude is spot on.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 29 April 2017, 06:40:01 AM
Anyone noticed that Jack Colback has had quite a long career of Premier League football?

at two of the worst run clubs in its recent history :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 29 April 2017, 08:00:45 AM
To the naked eye it might have looked like he was having a bad game.
To the naked and uneducated eye more like. Hayden virtually since day one here has excelled at doing the donkey work that many don't see. Even last night aside from a cracking strike for his goal, he hardly put a foot wrong.  His passing was crisp, he was always available to receive and his last ditch tackle in the area to deny them was textbook perfect.

This lad has the attitude and the tools to be what he wants in the game. He's not Arsenal like, as someone said last night but he does remind me of a poor man's Vieira. And he has plenty of time to improve.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 29 April 2017, 08:02:54 AM
To the naked eye it might have looked like he was having a bad game.
To the naked and uneducated eye more like. Hayden virtually since day one here has excelled at doing the donkey work that many don't see. Even last night aside from a cracking strike for his goal, he hardly put a foot wrong.  His passing was crisp, he was always available to receive and his last ditch tackle in the area to deny them was textbook perfect.

This lad has the attitude and the tools to be what he wants in the game. He's not Arsenal like, as someone said last night but he does remind me of a poor man's Vieira. And he has plenty of time to improve.

agree - hopefully he stabilises physically so we can get 30+ games out of him in the PL consistently, think he'll be a very good player
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dan on Saturday 29 April 2017, 10:00:19 AM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

I'm not sure what game you were watching.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:11:06 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

I'm not sure what game you were watching.

Cardiff v Newcastle last night. Our midfield was awful 1st half.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:15:08 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

I'm not sure what game you were watching.

Cardiff v Newcastle last night. Our midfield was awful 1st half.
Hayden was our best player yesterday, and has been one of our best players this season like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:28:11 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

I'm not sure what game you were watching.

Cardiff v Newcastle last night. Our midfield was awful 1st half.
Hayden was our best player yesterday, and has been one of our best players this season like.

In your opinion of course. My opinion is that he's had a decent season, but nowt remarkable. I thought he was poor 1st half yesterday, improved after half time, as did the team in general, and seemed to grow massively in confidence after his goal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:35:02 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

I'm not sure what game you were watching.

Cardiff v Newcastle last night. Our midfield was awful 1st half.
Hayden was our best player yesterday, and has been one of our best players this season like.

In your opinion of course. My opinion is that he's had a decent season, but nowt remarkable. I thought he was poor 1st half yesterday, improved after half time, as did the team in general, and seemed to grow massively in confidence after his goal.
Ofcourse, I wasn't saying it wasn't, it's all opinions, thats what makes football what it is, but do I feel you're being overly harsh.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:37:29 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

I'm not sure what game you were watching.

Cardiff v Newcastle last night. Our midfield was awful 1st half.
Hayden was our best player yesterday, and has been one of our best players this season like.

In your opinion of course. My opinion is that he's had a decent season, but nowt remarkable. I thought he was poor 1st half yesterday, improved after half time, as did the team in general, and seemed to grow massively in confidence after his goal.
Ofcourse, I wasn't saying it wasn't, it's all opinions, thats what makes football what it is, but do I feel you're being overly harsh.

He's still young so there's room to improve, unlike Colback for example, which is why I'd be happy to see him kept on as a squad player next season. Think we'll need better than him in our first XI though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tsunami on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:40:55 PM
He needs to improve, hopefully we can work on him and make a player. He's got the attributes needed just needs to generally improve his game - in most areas if he is going to have an impact in the PL. Good hit for his goal even if it was with his swinger and he had absolutely no control over it (wouldn't expect him to accept that but it's quite clear from the way he it's it).
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 29 April 2017, 12:41:46 PM
Some people going overboard regarding a good performance against a bottom half Championship club with nowt to play for!

Thought he was poor up until his goal.

I'm not sure what game you were watching.

Cardiff v Newcastle last night. Our midfield was awful 1st half.
Hayden was our best player yesterday, and has been one of our best players this season like.

In your opinion of course. My opinion is that he's had a decent season, but nowt remarkable. I thought he was poor 1st half yesterday, improved after half time, as did the team in general, and seemed to grow massively in confidence after his goal.
Ofcourse, I wasn't saying it wasn't, it's all opinions, thats what makes football what it is, but do I feel you're being overly harsh.

He's still young so there's room to improve, unlike Colback for example, which is why I'd be happy to see him kept on as a squad player next season. Think we'll need better than him in our first XI though.

Aye, happy to see him in the squad for next season, and give him games here and there during a long season to continue his development and try and challenge for a 1st team spot. Don't want us to rely on him as a starter (most won't) and I'm not sure it'd be the best thing for him to play most games anyway as it very easily could go wrong for a young player with too much expectations from him too early.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Shearergol on Saturday 29 April 2017, 02:18:32 PM

Sensible people don't hide behind stats. I learned that when we beat Swansea 2-0 with 24% possession a few years ago. You think the likes of Brian Clough took notice of that rubbish?

The stat's back up what I was watching, he had a good game and I didn't see anything from him that made me think playing in the championship was his level.

I disagree. I thought he was poor 1st half and improved marginally 2nd half. Gained confidence after his goal.

You're a negative f***er aren't you. Coming from me that should tell you something.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Saturday 29 April 2017, 02:30:30 PM

Sensible people don't hide behind stats. I learned that when we beat Swansea 2-0 with 24% possession a few years ago. You think the likes of Brian Clough took notice of that rubbish?

The stat's back up what I was watching, he had a good game and I didn't see anything from him that made me think playing in the championship was his level.

That stats back up what I thought when I was watching the game, he was the best player on the park.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dokko on Monday 1 May 2017, 09:01:02 PM
Love this lad. Really hope the prem isn't too big a step up and he continues to develop. Easily my favourite player this season.

Sir Isaac  :smitten:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HawK on Tuesday 2 May 2017, 07:37:19 AM
Really need to bind him to a long term deal.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Tuesday 2 May 2017, 09:14:24 AM
Really need to bind him to a long term deal.
He signed a 5 year deal when we bought him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HawK on Tuesday 2 May 2017, 12:50:13 PM
Really need to bind him to a long term deal.
He signed a 5 year deal when we bought him.
I know, I just want to see the Binding of Isaac to a long-term deal as a headline.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Varadi on Sunday 14 May 2017, 06:01:28 AM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/614003/Isaac-Hayden-Newcastle-United-midfielder-shocked-hot-model-bed-kinky-text-choking

:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 14 May 2017, 06:14:22 AM
I wouldn't say that, it's not nice. I would sell the whole story to the Daily Star instead.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 14 May 2017, 06:22:48 AM
Thank god his game isn't that bad on the pitch.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: hakka on Sunday 14 May 2017, 06:26:12 AM
The WhatsApp messages don't really compare to how the story is written.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Sunday 14 May 2017, 07:09:57 AM
Poor lad just misspelled joking. Who doesn't like that? Poor randy sod.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 14 May 2017, 08:38:31 AM
Hayden would surely pick up an injury during sex.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 14 May 2017, 09:40:45 AM
Hayden would surely pick up an injury during sex.

Think him going down again and again is a bonus in this scenario.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 14 May 2017, 09:45:50 AM
Hayden would surely pick up an injury during sex.

Think him going down again and again is a bonus in this scenario.
Good point.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: STM on Sunday 14 May 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Think we'd all like to choke that bitch.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 14 May 2017, 10:08:26 AM
What a scandal.  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: bhoywhonder on Sunday 14 May 2017, 10:31:21 AM
"In saucy texts to a foreign model..."

We really do have the worst press in the world. Grubby alcoholics stuck in the 70s posing as journos. Absolute c*nts.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: wormy on Sunday 14 May 2017, 10:35:56 AM
:lol: So shocked she responds with no shock whatsoever to both of the shocking things he says.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 14 May 2017, 10:38:38 AM
the most shocking part of that story is that there's no picture of this 'model' with her baps out
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: palnese on Sunday 14 May 2017, 10:42:42 AM
Doubt the soft c*** can even get a hard on.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Monday 15 May 2017, 04:25:35 PM
Doubt the soft c*** can even get a hard on.
He's got such good technique, doubt she'd mind...
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Monday 15 May 2017, 04:35:42 PM
Of all our players, I think he could become a very good PL player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Monday 15 May 2017, 04:39:10 PM
Thank god his game isn't that bad on the pitch.


:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 15 May 2017, 04:41:57 PM
Really need to bind him to a long term deal.
He signed a 5 year deal when we bought him.
I know, I just want to see the Binding of Isaac to a long-term deal as a headline.

Christ :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HawK on Monday 15 May 2017, 07:41:22 PM
Of all our players, I think he could become a very good PL player.

Arsene thought he had a tendency to cough heavily in big games.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: cubaricho on Monday 15 May 2017, 07:44:37 PM
:lol: So shocked she responds with no shock whatsoever to both of the shocking things he says.

Been a while since you've been in the dating pool hasn't it? ;)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Monday 15 May 2017, 08:09:10 PM
:lol:

To be fair, footballers don't really need to try hard (or even be decent looking) to get laid. It's probably a good job, looking at those texts.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 16 May 2017, 06:01:07 AM
:lol: So shocked she responds with no shock whatsoever to both of the shocking things he says.

Been a while since you've been in the dating pool hasn't it? ;)

:lol: I'm not defending his awful game. But the whole article is awful, man.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 16 May 2017, 11:44:39 AM
FWIW, I'm Team Ian in this battle.

That's good to know. What I know is that this forum also thought Anita and Mitrovic were going to be NUFC greats as well. I'll be right on this one.
Neither of those 2 have the physical attributes to succeed in the PL. Hayden does.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: taps01 on Saturday 20 May 2017, 07:17:45 AM
What a man!  If you get the chance read his interview in The Times today. Sunderland fans won't be happy :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: taps01 on Saturday 20 May 2017, 07:25:27 AM
Issac on NUFC fans "I don't think there can be any question that they are the best fans in the country. We have an average attendance of 51000 for a second division team. I don't believe anyone who gets relegated would get that. Look at Sunderland - would they have that loyalty? Even in the Premier League when you watched them (at the stadium of light) there would red seats everywhere. I don't think they will get 40000 in the championship when they can't fill the stadium in the Premier League"
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:06:57 AM
Issac on NUFC fans "I don't think there can be any question that they are the best fans in the country. We have an average attendance of 51000 for a second division team. I don't believe anyone who gets relegated would get that. Look at Sunderland - would they have that loyalty? Even in the Premier League when you watched them (at the stadium of light) there would red seats everywhere. I don't think they will get 40000 in the championship when they can't fill the stadium in the Premier League"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/isaac-hayden-arsenal-is-a-massive-club-but-newcastle-has-a-special-aura-kh8gvpv0m
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: MW on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:35:42 AM
Great interview :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:36:51 AM
Absolutely fewmin on wearside about that. To be fair, they dont get 40k in the premier league.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:40:14 AM
Absolutely fewmin on wearside about that. To be fair, they dont get 40k in the premier league.
The lack of self awareness is quite scary
Sunderland players are constantly in the media licking mackem ringpiece and attempting to belittle Newcastle. Pickford, Kone etc
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:42:00 AM

The lack of self awareness is quite scary
Sunderland players are constantly in the media licking mackem ringpiece and attempting to belittle Newcastle. Pickford, Kone etc

I would guess a lot of mackem players don't have a go at Newcastle because it's where they live.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: taps01 on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:44:08 AM
Comes across very well in that interview.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:48:07 AM

The lack of self awareness is quite scary
Sunderland players are constantly in the media licking mackem ringpiece and attempting to belittle Newcastle. Pickford, Kone etc

I would guess a lot of mackem players don't have a go at Newcastle because it's where they live.
They have a go at the club though, happens all the time
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:55:57 AM
They have a go at the club though, happens all the time

I can't say that I've ever noticed that and it doesn't matter anyway.  They're probably asked questions and simply answer them, the same will go for both sets of players.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Paully on Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:42:45 AM
Issac on NUFC fans "I don't think there can be any question that they are the best fans in the country. We have an average attendance of 51000 for a second division team. I don't believe anyone who gets relegated would get that. Look at Sunderland - would they have that loyalty? Even in the Premier League when you watched them (at the stadium of light) there would red seats everywhere. I don't think they will get 40000 in the championship when they can't fill the stadium in the Premier League"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/isaac-hayden-arsenal-is-a-massive-club-but-newcastle-has-a-special-aura-kh8gvpv0m

Someone paste it man!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: dinotheprehistoricgeordie on Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:50:52 AM
Even now, the joy of promotion to the Premier League is still sinking in for Isaac Hayden, Newcastle United’s thoughtful central midfielder. He had so many career paths open to him, particularly having gained 13 GCSEs, and with a golf swing so natural that he could have turned professional, but there was only one dream from the moment his father trained him in a local park in Essex, and then sat the eager eight-year-old down in front of a tactics board.

Now 22, Hayden frequently sits down with Rafa Benítez, Newcastle’s inspirational manager who continues his education on a tactics board and through video clips. “If I want to talk to him about tactics, he’s always there for me,” Hayden says. “Rafa’s obsessed with football. When we lost to Ipswich [on April 17], I was in his office the next day at 9am, going through the clips and he told me where I went wrong.

“He’s very honest. I could be sitting there with Jonjo Shelvey and Rafa could say ‘look, Jonjo, Isaac’s better than you at this, this and this’ and ‘Isaac, he’s better than you at this, this and this.’ Some players might not like it. But this year everybody’s got on with it, whether playing, or on the bench.

“It’s his passion for the game that drew me in. I love football and I want to improve to be the best I can. I haven’t worked so hard for all those years to be mediocre. Rafa’s got the same drive and determination I have.

“It’s the culture Rafa brings — a family mentality. He goes: ‘Look, if you’re not playing, it’s because of you, not because of anyone else, not because of me, it’s you. You’ve not done enough in training, or when you’ve performed, to make me want to keep you in the team.’ He’s fair. He’ll give you a chance, a game, whether it’s a cup game, 20 minutes, and you have to do something in that time to show him you want to play for Newcastle.

“He’s made it a situation where Newcastle isn’t a stepping stone. He says you should want to put on this black-and-white shirt, going out and giving 100 per cent, and if you don’t, you won’t play. He makes it so that players are desperate to play, not only for him but for the club and that’s why we’ve had the success this season.”

To the relief of everyone on Tyneside, Benítez has signalled that he is staying. “I don’t know what it will be like if he left,” Hayden says. “It’s not just the players who have the connection with him, it’s the fans who have a massive connection too. He’s united the club. Before Rafa came along, a lot of the lads were talking about [how] it wasn’t really a good atmosphere between the fans and the manager.

“Steve McClaren wasn’t even the manager, he was head coach, and even the fans were sitting there, thinking ‘he’s not even the manager’. You want someone with the aura, that commanding authority that says ‘I’m Newcastle United manager’, and Rafa has that. Without Rafa, we wouldn’t have got promoted.

“He’s been nothing but warm, whether it’s with me, the cleaners, whoever. He’ll have a ten-minute conversation with the cleaners about the match. He’ll talk to anybody, physio, players and support staff, exactly the same as if you’re Cristiano Ronaldo. It doesn’t matter to him. Although if you get him on to Real Madrid, you’ll be there for a while! He’s got stories about players, the club, [which is] all good because it adds to my experience.

“I’d not played centre half in two years, and he said ‘we’ve got injuries, we need you there’ and then he said: ‘I remember when I had to tell Javier Mascherano to play at centre half [at Liverpool].’ That gave me confidence. He’s talking to me about things that he’s told Mascherano.”

Benítez’s shrewd decision-making was seen throughout the season. “In the Norwich game [in September] when we were 3-1 down, I remember him saying to me: ‘come on, get ready.’ ‘Hang on, I’m here to shut a game out? We’re 3-1 down.’ ‘No, get on.’ Me and [Aleksandar] Mitrovic came on, Dwight Gayle scored, and I thought, ‘game on here.’ ”

When Yoan Gouffran equalised five minutes into added time, St James’ was in raptures. “It was really loud. The fans are incredible. Every time we went forward I could feel the urgency of the fans,” he says. Gayle then made it 4-3. “The tannoy system says, ‘Newcastle United 4-3, No 9, Dwight Gayle . . .’ and then the noise. Wow. The pitch was shaking it was that loud.

“There were times when it was massive pressure at home. If you play for a club like Newcastle, you have to ride the storm. The fans will be edgy but they are fantastic. I can’t go anywhere without somebody talking about football. I could go to a garage and fill my car up, people would come up and go: ‘Isaac, wahey . . . great result at the weekend.’ I’ll be standing there having a conversation with somebody about Newcastle for ten minutes, and think ‘blimey I’ve got to go’. It’s lovely.

“I don’t think there can be a question that they are the best fans in the country. We have an average attendance of 51,000 for a second division team. I don’t believe anybody who gets relegated would get that. Look at Sunderland — would they have that loyalty? Even in the Premier League, when you watched [them at the Stadium of Light] there were red seats everywhere. I don’t think they will get 40,000 in the Championship when they don’t fill the stadium in the Premier League.

“When we drew with QPR [in February], coming out of St James’ Park, I could see the devastation in children’s faces, people’s faces. I went home, but couldn’t sleep, so I was playing music in my speakers, some Drake, until 2am.

“Two days later I got a notice through from the flat [company] about ‘a noise disturbance’. I’d been so disappointed that I was just sitting there, listening to music until 2am, thinking about the game, deflated, and didn’t realise there were people trying to sleep next door.

“I woke up the next day going, ‘right, I’ve got to make this better.’ Sometimes I question myself: is everybody else sitting here at home, feeling the way I do at 2am?

“I’ve always been driven. When I was eight, Dad took me over the park, worked on technique, different skills. We did that for a year and a half. Dad was a youth player at Aston Villa, but became an insurance broker, good job, but he let me follow my dreams.

“When I was eight, he was showing me things on a tactics board. I was a striker when I started so watched clips of Ruud van Nistelrooy, Thierry Henry and Alan Shearer, and looked at their movement. I dropped back to midfield. Patrick Vieira was the one for me.”

Hayden developed at Southend United, before big clubs came calling. “Manchester United came in at the same time as Arsenal,” he says. “I was an Arsenal fan. Arsenal showed more interest. Steve Leonard [Arsenal’s under-14s coach] pushed Liam Brady, the main man at the academy, to sign me. Steve said: ‘You’ve got to treat him right because he’s going to be good.’ ”

He kept working hard at school, St Martin’s, Hutton, near Brentwood. “All the kids at school were saying, ‘don’t worry about maths, wow, you play for Arsenal’. But my parents said if I didn’t do my school work I wouldn’t go training,” he says. “I got 13 GCSEs. My parents said: ‘You can crack on with your scholarship now.” Even with his golf prowess, football came first, “People said scrap the football, play golf.”

Hayden rose up the ranks at Arsenal, soon representing the under-18s. “Steve Bould [the coach] took me aside, and said I want to make you captain. I always felt a leader, that I’m the boss, and I should be controlling everything,” he says.

Arsène Wenger began taking an interest, picking him twice. “I was disappointed after the first game against West Brom [a League Cup win in September 2013], I played well, the manager was pleased but I never played central midfield at the club again. It was quite difficult to take. I did talk to the manager but I was only 18, he said, ‘be patient and I want you to play centre half.’ ”

Hayden played there against Southampton in the League Cup the following year, sharing the field with players such as Alexis Sánchez. But then he had a bad ankle injury — damaging ligaments and suffering a micro-fracture — when he was caught accidentally by Mathieu Flamini in training at Colney. “I thought: am I ever going to be the same player again? I spoke to Jack [Wilshere] about it. He couldn’t have been better. He was there for me,” Hayden says.

“When I first got injured Wenger said ‘that’s a shame’, then I didn’t speak to him until I was outside running. Wenger’s detached, quite closed. When you’re a young player, not constantly in his eye-line, he can be quite cold. He watches training, doesn’t say much, maybe three, four words in the whole session. I don’t have a point to prove to Arsenal. I have a point to [prove to] myself. Deep down, I said to myself, I knew I was good enough to play for them. I wasn’t given the opportunity.”

He got an opportunity on loan at Hull City, playing 24 times for Steve Bruce. “You used to hear Steve’s voice all the time, laughing, joking, shouting. Steve was very much old school mentality, the harder you work the better you’ll become,” he says.

All his hard work down the years is paying off at St James’ Park, where he played in 33 of their 46 league games as they won the title. “Being back in the Premier League means everything to Newcastle fans,” he says.

“ The last few years have been terrible for the club but now we have the right manager definitely in place. It’s a special feeling here. Arsenal are a massive club, but it doesn’t have the same aura as Newcastle. I pulled on the red-and-white Arsenal shirt — maybe not enough times to fully appreciate it — but it’s almost like a sense of pure passion from the Geordies, compared to the Arsenal fans.

“Don’t get me wrong, Arsenal fans have had a tough time as well and been great, but I didn’t get the feeling when you walk out at the Emirates as when I walk out at St James’. It’s a different vibe. At Newcastle, it’s like I’m representing the guy in the stands. When we lose, I know 50,000 people are not going to have a good weekend. They make me feel like I’m representing them directly on the pitch. I didn’t get that at Arsenal or Hull.”
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: STM on Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:52:33 AM
Mongs on ready to groom, keep saying, "who is he?"

Erm, he's the guy who would walk into your side, dafties.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:53:25 AM
Great read. Glad that's come out after the little bit of bad PR from the daft texts, cos he's clearly an intelligent guy and a good egg. Good potential, too.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:54:39 AM
Get in. Loves Rafa, loves the Toon, hates the mackems.

Hope this lad makes it in the PL. Sounds like a future manager.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:00:22 AM
Essentially calls out Arsenal fans for being utterly pathetic too. Quite like this man.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Benwell Lad on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:08:10 AM
Hasn't taken him long to realise how easy it is to wind up the rabid inbreeds down the road and probably just did it for a laugh  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: NUFC_Chris on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:10:32 AM
Great article, he comes across really well. It shows he understands the club. Some great little snippets in there re Rafa. I hope he has a great future with us.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: chopey on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:12:50 AM
Could probably do with some new headphones for next season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:20:07 AM
Love that he's really listening to Rafa on tactics, think defensive mids need to read the game more than anyone really and smarter the better imo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:20:14 AM
Could probably do with some new headphones for next season.
:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Heron on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:22:48 AM
Quality interview  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:32:49 AM
Mongs on ready to groom, keep saying, "who is he?"

Erm, he's the guy who would walk into your side, dafties.

They'll be absolutrely livid with that interview.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Heron on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:37:19 AM
Love how Gayle and Hayden have publically jipped the mackems. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:59:57 AM
Superb interview, comes across as a good lad - I really like Hayden and interested to see how he develops.

Hopefully he'll stop trying to pull though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:00:43 PM
“When we drew with QPR [in February], coming out of St James’ Park, I could see the devastation in children’s faces, people’s faces. I went home, but couldn’t sleep, so I was playing music in my speakers, some Drake, until 2am.

“Two days later I got a notice through from the flat [company] about ‘a noise disturbance’. I’d been so disappointed that I was just sitting there, listening to music until 2am, thinking about the game, deflated, and didn’t realise there were people trying to sleep next door.

It's original, I'll give him that :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Heron on Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:04:43 PM
Superb interview, comes across as a good lad - I really like Hayden and interested to see how he develops.

Hopefully he'll stop trying to pull though.

What was this pulling thing?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:05:43 PM
Superb interview, comes across as a good lad - I really like Hayden and interested to see how he develops.

Hopefully he'll stop trying to pull though.

What was this pulling thing?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/614003/Isaac-Hayden-Newcastle-United-midfielder-shocked-hot-model-bed-kinky-text-choking

:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Heron on Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:15:19 PM
 :lol:

Gan on Isaac lad. :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:26:57 PM
Howay Isaac
Gettheraveon
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Paully on Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:39:37 PM
Cheers Dino!

Great interview that!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: dazzanufc1892 on Saturday 20 May 2017, 01:35:59 PM
my favourite player when fit. nice on the ball, great energy. Think he will excel with better players around him, especially if he has an older head next to him
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: John P on Saturday 20 May 2017, 01:40:15 PM
Great interview, he always seems to speak very well and seems an intelligent guy. Got really high hopes for him, think he has the potential to develop into an excellent player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: John P on Saturday 20 May 2017, 01:41:45 PM
I wonder how many players read their own thread on this forum by the way? Say hello if you're there Isaac.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Saturday 20 May 2017, 01:43:46 PM
I wonder how many players read their own thread on this forum by the way? Say hello if you're there Isaac.

Bet Colback gets alerts when anything is posted in his, the little creep.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Saturday 20 May 2017, 02:41:24 PM
almost had tears in my eyes reading that interview. He gets it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: morla84 on Saturday 20 May 2017, 03:09:50 PM
He can choke wor lass if he wants after that interview 👉
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 20 May 2017, 03:29:02 PM
He can choke wor lass if he wants after that interview 👉

His hands aren't that big tbh.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Heron on Saturday 20 May 2017, 03:31:48 PM
 :lol:

Some brutality on here today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Saturday 20 May 2017, 03:59:44 PM
“He’s made it a situation where Newcastle isn’t a stepping stone. He says you should want to put on this black-and-white shirt, going out and giving 100 per cent, and if you don’t, you won’t play. He makes it so that players are desperate to play, not only for him but for the club and that’s why we’ve had the success this season.”

Just what we've been crying out for, for donkey's years. Just what everyone hoped for when he stayed. Marriage made in heaven.

Really like Hayden too, this aside. Interesting to see that the players noted the fan/club relationship in previous years, and the way the club's being going.

f***ing class.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Heron on Saturday 20 May 2017, 04:02:10 PM
:thup:

I'm intrigued to read / hear more opinions of our lot like. Would be great to sit and have a pint with them and see what they made of the last 2/3 seasons.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 20 May 2017, 04:04:07 PM
He should've just sent that interview to that girl instead of pictures of him naked. She'd have been knocking his door down in minutes.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 20 May 2017, 04:15:43 PM
He can choke wor lass if he wants after that interview 👉

His hands aren't that big tbh.
:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 20 May 2017, 05:21:01 PM
I've got high hopes for Hayden, like. Of all our players, I feel like he's the one that can become something very good.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mick on Saturday 20 May 2017, 05:56:00 PM
I've got high hopes for Hayden, like. Of all our players, I feel like he's the one that can become something very good.

I agree with that if he can stay relatively injury free, he'll always get knocks as he goes into situations where he's going to get clattered but we need someone to do that.  I think he's intelligent enough to become very important to us.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Saturday 20 May 2017, 06:22:51 PM
Great read that :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sh74 on Saturday 20 May 2017, 06:24:58 PM
“When we drew with QPR [in February], coming out of St James’ Park, I could see the devastation in children’s faces, people’s faces. I went home, but couldn’t sleep, so I was playing music in my speakers, some Drake, until 2am.

“Two days later I got a notice through from the flat [company] about ‘a noise disturbance’. I’d been so disappointed that I was just sitting there, listening to music until 2am, thinking about the game, deflated, and didn’t realise there were people trying to sleep next door.

It's original, I'll give him that :lol:
He was most definitely humpin with Drake on in the background.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: duo on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:25:05 PM
Make him Captain.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nemtizz on Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:25:58 PM
Nah.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HawK on Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:08:08 PM
“When we drew with QPR [in February], coming out of St James’ Park, I could see the devastation in children’s faces, people’s faces. I went home, but couldn’t sleep, so I was playing music in my speakers, some Drake, until 2am.

“Two days later I got a notice through from the flat [company] about ‘a noise disturbance’. I’d been so disappointed that I was just sitting there, listening to music until 2am, thinking about the game, deflated, and didn’t realise there were people trying to sleep next door.

It's original, I'll give him that :lol:
He was most definitely humpin with Drake on in the background.

I've not heard any of Drake, is it quite throaty and gutteral?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Heron on Sunday 21 May 2017, 12:49:29 AM
“When we drew with QPR [in February], coming out of St James’ Park, I could see the devastation in children’s faces, people’s faces. I went home, but couldn’t sleep, so I was playing music in my speakers, some Drake, until 2am.

“Two days later I got a notice through from the flat [company] about ‘a noise disturbance’. I’d been so disappointed that I was just sitting there, listening to music until 2am, thinking about the game, deflated, and didn’t realise there were people trying to sleep next door.

It's original, I'll give him that :lol:
He was most definitely humpin with Drake on in the background.

I've not heard any of Drake, is it quite throaty and gutteral?

Nar, that's just the bird Isaac was choking  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Billy2Sheds on Sunday 21 May 2017, 07:57:58 AM
“When we drew with QPR [in February], coming out of St James’ Park, I could see the devastation in children’s faces, people’s faces. I went home, but couldn’t sleep, so I was playing music in my speakers, some Drake, until 2am.

“Two days later I got a notice through from the flat [company] about ‘a noise disturbance’. I’d been so disappointed that I was just sitting there, listening to music until 2am, thinking about the game, deflated, and didn’t realise there were people trying to sleep next door.

It's original, I'll give him that :lol:
He was most definitely humpin with Drake on in the background.

I've not heard any of Drake, is it quite throaty and gutteral?

Nar, that's just the bird Isaac was choking  :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HawK on Sunday 21 May 2017, 03:07:10 PM
“When we drew with QPR [in February], coming out of St James’ Park, I could see the devastation in children’s faces, people’s faces. I went home, but couldn’t sleep, so I was playing music in my speakers, some Drake, until 2am.

“Two days later I got a notice through from the flat [company] about ‘a noise disturbance’. I’d been so disappointed that I was just sitting there, listening to music until 2am, thinking about the game, deflated, and didn’t realise there were people trying to sleep next door.

It's original, I'll give him that :lol:
He was most definitely humpin with Drake on in the background.

I've not heard any of Drake, is it quite throaty and gutteral?

Nar, that's just the bird Isaac was choking  :lol:
:pow:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Away Day Gadgie on Monday 22 May 2017, 02:12:59 PM
Class interview that! I'm a big fan of this lad, i think he's got the attributes to be a Premier League quality CM, he might just surprise a few people next season and end up being a key player.  He seems to be improving really quickly under Rafa so long may it continue.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Monday 14 August 2017, 07:35:41 PM
https://www.nufc.co.uk/news/features/isaac-hayden-programme-interview-in-full

Quote
Isaac Hayden sits down in the stalls and takes it all in. There is a certain majesty about the Tyne Theatre and Opera House, befitting the 150 years it has stood at the bottom of Westgate Road, just a short walk from St. James’ Park. It feels a strangely appropriate place to discuss this afternoon’s curtain-raiser.

“I’ve been to the theatre a fair few times,” says Hayden, over the sound of rehearsals for West Side Story on the stage in front of him. It is, he admits, one of the more unusual venues in which he’s been interviewed.

“I’ve been to The Lion King, I’ve been to Stomp in London and a couple of other musical theatre events, so it’s something that I quite enjoy when I get the time to go. I’ll take the missus, or take my mum, something like that. It’s always a decent day or night out.”

Listening to Hayden speak, it is difficult to believe that he is just 22 years of age. His eloquence and conviction of thought is genuine, not forced or for show. There is a maturity about the England Under-21 international that is not only evident in his words, but in his actions too.

Indeed, Hayden – who visited the Newcastle’s West End Foodbank to lend a helping hand earlier this year – arrives early for this interview and is generous with his time. His level-headed demeanour and outlook on life are characteristics he believes emanate from his childhood.

“A lot comes from my upbringing. My parents weren’t rich, but they weren’t poor – it was just a general working-class family, and they always made sure I had the right values and never got ahead of myself,” he explains.

“I think it comes from within the person as well, you know? I understand a lot about where I could be, and the possibilities that I’ve got. The opportunities that I’ve got are amazing, and I don’t want to throw them away or take them for granted, because things could be a lot worse.

“I just have that mindset every single day – that even if I have a bad day or a bad performance, things could always be worse. To be a professional footballer and do what you love every day is a privilege.”

In this city where he works towards seizing those opportunities, there is comfort to be taken from laying down roots. Hayden, born in Chelmsford, is part of a pool of players, all signed permanently, who are largely similar in years, while his loved ones make regular visits north.

“It’s difficult for family members to come up all the time, because it’s quite a long distance, but when they can, it’s always nice,” he says. “I’m quite an independent person so I can deal with things by myself, but then I always know I can have the help of people around me who I know have only got my best interests at heart.

“Family members come and visit me a lot more, because they know that this is my home now, and I’ve taken well to it. They come up and spend a lot of time with me when they can.

“The lads, too – it’s a close-knit group, with a lot of lads who are the same age. Jacob’s 22, I’m 22, Rolando’s 21, Jamaal’s 23, Yedlin’s 24, Pérez is 24, so there’s a lot of players around the same age, and that helps a lot when it comes to time off the field.”

If Hayden arrived on Tyneside last summer as something of an unknown quantity, his value to the Newcastle cause is now perhaps measurable by the energy and tenacity the midfield misses when he is absent.

His qualities have been recognised by those in the stands. He has a connection with the supporters, and is acutely aware of the pedestal on which players are placed by fans. When asked why he has been received as well as he has by the Magpies crowd, he considers his answer.

“I can’t put my finger on it exactly. I think it’s just because I’m not…” Hayden pauses. “I wouldn’t say I’m arrogant, and I’m not a ‘big-time Charlie’. I just go on the football pitch and put 100 per cent effort and commitment in, and play as if I’m a fan. I think that’s the best thing you can do as a football player – play as if you are one of the guys sitting there paying to watch you, because they would kill for the opportunity to be where you are.

“The fans are important. Without fans at a football club, it doesn’t work. To have the fans that we have, we’re very fortunate. They want the best for the football club, and so do the players.

“I think that we worked well together last season. There were times when it was difficult for the fans, which the players understand – we’re fans ourselves, we still love football, so we can understand from their point of view that certain times last season must have been frustrating, but they stuck with us. In the last couple of games, I think we rewarded them.”

Thirty-eight games in all competitions is a total few may have expected the former Hull City loanee to reach in his first year at the club. It was less of a surprise for the man himself.

“That was always the idea. I don’t think I’d have joined if I didn’t think I was going to play my part as much as I did,” says Hayden. “A lot of people were probably a bit sceptical when I joined, thinking I might not have played anywhere near as much as I did or contributed as much as I did.

“But the main thing for me is that I knew the manager had trust in me, and wanted me to sign for a reason. I think it was more a factor of confidence from the manager, and confidence in myself.

“I improved as the season went on, and I was learning about my game. It was the first time, really, that I’d played in the team, week-in, week-out. There were two or three games a week, and you’d always have a game where you’d be involved. The season before, I’d go four or five weeks without playing a minute, then I’d get 90 minutes, and then another four weeks without.

“There’s always going to be times when you’re not on form or not playing at your best, but it’s about riding through those times and making sure that you come out of it stronger, mentally and physically.”

Hayden’s belief in his own ability is easy to detect, and perhaps a large factor in why his first term in black and white was such a success. He explains that, as a product of Arsenal’s esteemed but often stifled youth system, such a level of faith is less of a desirable trait than simply a requisite for the job.

“The thing is, that when you play for a club like Arsenal from the age of 13, it’s almost like you have to have a winning mentality and a belief, otherwise you don’t survive at a club like that,” says Hayden, who joined the Gunners from Southend United.

“If you don’t have confidence in your own ability or faith in yourself then you’re never going to get anywhere in those sorts of environments, because it breeds the best players in the world and the best talents that comes in at a young age. If you haven’t got that mental strength, then you’ve got no chance.

“When you’re going into training at 17 and you’ve got players there like Van Persie and Nasri, if you’ve not got confidence in yourself then how are they going to have confidence in you? Some players might not have it but can develop it, and some players might not have it at all. You generally find that the players that play in the Premier League are all quite confident and they have that faith in their ability, otherwise they wouldn’t be there.”

That Hayden, just 13 months on from his departure from the Emirates, is now back in the top flight and an equal of those in Arsène Wenger’s squad is testament to his own ability. He insists there is no residual desire to prove anything to the Gunners, who handed him his senior debut four years ago.

“Not at all, actually. I’ve been asked that question a few times. It’s not about proving anything to Arsenal, because if I’m being honest with myself and I think if they were being honest, I think at the time they genuinely did want to let me go,” says Hayden, who now has two Championship promotions under his belt.

“It was a situation where I had a year left, they’d brought in Granit Xhaka because he was a proven player the manager wanted, and they couldn’t afford me the game time I needed to improve.

“I said to them, ‘look, I don’t want to go on loan anymore’. I didn’t want to be a player like at Chelsea, where you sign a three-year contract and then go on loan for three years. I want to go somewhere where they’re going to make me feel welcome, and I can contribute. I don’t want to go there for a season, come back, do the same thing again and then
repeat it – I wanted to feel like I was a part of the club’s family, rather than just being there temporarily.

“I think they knew that’s what I needed. The manager at Arsenal was very good – I’ve got a lot to thank him for. I don’t really have anything to prove to Arsenal. I think that deep down the manager knew I had ability anyway – it’s just that I needed a chance to show it, which he couldn’t give me.”

Now, with a first real crack at the top flight to come, Hayden has that chance. Helping Rafa Benítez’s men earn victory over Tottenham Hotspur today would be a fine first act on the big stage.

“If I get the opportunity to play and perform, for however many minutes that is, it would be great to beat Spurs, because of the previous I’ve had with Arsenal. I’m an Arsenal fan anyway, so to beat Spurs would be quite nice,” he says, preparing to depart for an afternoon with visiting family.

“But it’s not even just that, it’s just the whole Premier League experience now – the feeling that we’re where we deserve to be, with the club’s stature and the manager and the infrastructure we’ve got. It just gives us that platform now to go on and improve, and to prove that we do deserve to be there.”
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Amir_9 on Sunday 20 August 2017, 10:20:46 PM
Not sure what benefit from him in the EPL we'll get, despite him still being raw...

Not commanding enough, nor a constant threat, nor able to break much down

Reminds me a bit of Alan Smith in that sense (at this level).
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Sunday 20 August 2017, 10:27:33 PM
Not sure what benefit from him in the EPL we'll get, despite him still being raw...

Not commanding enough, nor a constant threat, nor able to break much down

Reminds me a bit of Alan Smith in that sense (at this level).

What  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 20 August 2017, 10:28:18 PM
he suits a team that presses harder and higher.  As is he's not offering much. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 20 August 2017, 10:34:50 PM
No one should be ever compared to Alan Smith, even Colback.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Sunday 20 August 2017, 10:37:39 PM
Not sure what benefit from him in the EPL we'll get, despite him still being raw...

Not commanding enough, nor a constant threat, nor able to break much down

Reminds me a bit of Alan Smith in that sense (at this level).

What  :lol:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/b7/69/25b769792da4b5dda8f3564bcd004903--commander-shepard-cant-stop-laughing.jpg)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Sunday 20 August 2017, 11:17:32 PM
For all he did good against Spurs, he was equally as bad today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Amir_9 on Sunday 20 August 2017, 11:42:45 PM
Not sure what benefit from him in the EPL we'll get, despite him still being raw...

Not commanding enough, nor a constant threat, nor able to break much down

Reminds me a bit of Alan Smith in that sense (at this level).

What  :lol:

Rash tackling, ineffective in midfield. That Alan Smith.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Amir_9 on Sunday 20 August 2017, 11:47:39 PM
Not sure what benefit from him in the EPL we'll get, despite him still being raw...

Not commanding enough, nor a constant threat, nor able to break much down

Reminds me a bit of Alan Smith in that sense (at this level).

What  :lol:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/b7/69/25b769792da4b5dda8f3564bcd004903--commander-shepard-cant-stop-laughing.jpg)

Up yours :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Zero on Monday 21 August 2017, 02:46:18 AM
He is slowly becoming our weakest link in starting eleven except GK.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Monday 21 August 2017, 07:25:49 AM
He is slowly becoming our weakest link in starting eleven except GK.
Do you think Hayden had a worse game yesterday than Ritchie, Atsu, Gayle, Perez?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Monday 21 August 2017, 07:29:49 AM
he suits a team that presses harder and higher.  As is he's not offering much.
You've got to look at the pairing in the middle. To me,  Hayden looked stretched at times because he was covering too much potential threat, sometimes due to Merino's position. He did a decent job yesterday/out in a good shift when we didn't have the ball (which was most of the time...).
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Monday 21 August 2017, 07:41:22 AM
I thought he was fine yesterday to be fair.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Zero on Monday 21 August 2017, 07:45:18 AM
He is slowly becoming our weakest link in starting eleven except GK.
Do you think Hayden had a worse game yesterday than Ritchie, Atsu, Gayle, Perez?

It's more about his lack of control and technique that undermines the overall build up play.  I like Hayden, especially for his defence contribution, but he is part of the reason why we cannot penetrate through the middle yesterday. 

FYI.  Perez actually played well considering the extremely limited space he had. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Zero on Monday 21 August 2017, 07:53:13 AM
To expand a bit: I think it's Kinda selection or tactical error by Rafa yesterday that exposed Hayden weakness.  We tried to play very technical football yesterday, but we don't have the quality to do so (mainly Gayle and Hayden).  The players are not good at making intelligent run to create space for others.  Had we opt for a more direct style, or start Joselu/Mitro who is better at holding up balls and create space for Perez, we should be fine and Hayden's weakness won't be exposed like that.  We will see more and more occasions that Hayden unable to utilise the space created by Merino/Perez if Rafa continue to go technical football direction.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Monday 21 August 2017, 02:00:11 PM
I thought he had a good game, a couple of rash tackles aside.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 21 August 2017, 02:08:41 PM
We should probably write him off after 2 games in the league tbh, particularly after he wasn't that good in 50% of them.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Sean on Monday 21 August 2017, 02:11:05 PM
We should probably write him off after 2 games in the league tbh, particularly after he wasn't that good in 50% of them.

Yeah, we should probably write all our players off already.

Seriously it's his first starts in the PL, give the lad a bit of time to adjust to the quality. Hayden has got the potential to get much better, that is likely to only come through more playing time though. He looked nervous/short of confidence to me yesterday.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Monday 21 August 2017, 02:11:12 PM
We had the rubbish being written about Merino yesterday, now we are getting more bollocks written about Hayden today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 21 August 2017, 02:14:47 PM
I thought he had a good game, a couple of rash tackles aside.

That's not my issue with him, his first touch is very erratic and struggles under pressure. He can get away with it in the Championship but in the PL it results in either giving the ball away or the ball just stopping.

He's not alone though, a lot of the team struggle under pressure.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Monday 21 August 2017, 03:19:33 PM
It stems from the back 4. If they play Hoofball how can your midfielders get into the game?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Monday 21 August 2017, 11:56:22 PM
I thought he had a good game, a couple of rash tackles aside.

That's not my issue with him, his first touch is very erratic and struggles under pressure. He can get away with it in the Championship but in the PL it results in either giving the ball away or the ball just stopping.

He's not alone though, a lot of the team struggle under pressure.

I know Colback shouldn't be used as the yard stick. But after 3 season of the ginger c***, I can't believe the criticism Hayden is getting after 2 PL games, when we've watched literally 100 with that useless tit chasing players like a moth round a candle :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 22 August 2017, 01:02:16 AM
I thought he had a good game, a couple of rash tackles aside.

That's not my issue with him, his first touch is very erratic and struggles under pressure. He can get away with it in the Championship but in the PL it results in either giving the ball away or the ball just stopping.

He's not alone though, a lot of the team struggle under pressure.

I know Colback shouldn't be used as the yard stick. But after 3 season of the ginger c***, I can't believe the criticism Hayden is getting after 2 PL games, when we've watched literally 100 with that useless tit chasing players like a moth round a candle [emoji38]
You're acting like Colback didn't get criticised at all. He did and deservedly so
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Tuesday 22 August 2017, 01:11:54 AM
You're acting like Colback didn't get criticised at all. He did and deservedly so

Not at all. I just mean after that many games of watching Jack, I thought people would be more patient before laying into Hayden when he's obviously far better than our recent geordie alternative.

He covers ground, he's leggy so gets tackles and blocks in. He also passes and runs forward. All positives, and especially considering he's like 22. I want the lad to succeed here, but if he's getting pelted 2 games into his PL career, and compared to Alan Smith then whats the point? :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: louistoon on Tuesday 22 August 2017, 02:19:24 AM
We had the rubbish being written about Merino yesterday, now we are getting more bollocks written about Hayden today.

Saying he had a bad game isn't writing someone off he just had a bad game. The whole team did.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: buzza on Tuesday 22 August 2017, 01:33:45 PM
Aye, he was poor on saturday. Thought Mooy controlled the midfield throughout.
We really need to upgrade a couple of positions. Striker, no10 and combative midfielder.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Tuesday 22 August 2017, 01:41:42 PM
We had the rubbish being written about Merino yesterday, now we are getting more bollocks written about Hayden today.

Saying he had a bad game isn't writing someone off he just had a bad game. The whole team did.

If the whole team did then why single out the 22 year old playing his first full season at this level?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: louistoon on Wednesday 23 August 2017, 12:42:50 AM
We had the rubbish being written about Merino yesterday, now we are getting more bollocks written about Hayden today.

Saying he had a bad game isn't writing someone off he just had a bad game. The whole team did.

If the whole team did then why single out the 22 year old playing his first full season at this level?

Mainly because a lot of other people were saying he was great and i disagreed with that assessment. The exact same could be said for Hayden, who is also young and in his first season at this level.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 23 August 2017, 12:59:32 AM
I like him but was hoping he'd be the back up DM this year. Never felt confident in him as a starter for us this season.

Hope we can get a more polished DM still, but seems a bit hopeful at this stage really.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Thursday 24 August 2017, 11:26:54 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastle-united-isaac-hayden-interview-west-ham-premier-league-a7911326.html

Wise lad.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 24 August 2017, 11:33:33 PM
Really good reads his interviews with journalists like Hardy and Caulkin. Intelligent lad, hope he does really well for us this season. Takes a bit too much time on the ball but that can be worked on, he's only 22.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Saturday 26 August 2017, 05:24:53 PM
Should be captain in a year or two. I think he and Merino could form a decent partnership. Was immense today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 26 August 2017, 05:31:46 PM
Has he gone down injured at some point in every game he's played?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: taps01 on Saturday 26 August 2017, 05:32:40 PM
Merino rightly getting all the plaudits today but Hayden was very good as well. The two of them in there absolutely dominated West Ham.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Saturday 26 August 2017, 05:32:41 PM
Has he gone down injured at some point in every game he's played?

You can take the boy out of Arsenal, but you can't take Arsenal out of the boy.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: LionOfGosforth on Saturday 26 August 2017, 07:58:39 PM
Merino rightly getting all the plaudits today but Hayden was very good as well. The two of them in there absolutely dominated West Ham.

Merino was very good on the ball but a lot of the freedom he got to express himself was down to the work done by Hayden, excellent today  :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 26 August 2017, 08:01:26 PM
He's got potential this lad. Hopefully Rafa can get it out of him because I already really like his tenacity.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Saturday 26 August 2017, 08:03:54 PM
Merino rightly getting all the plaudits today but Hayden was very good as well. The two of them in there absolutely dominated West Ham.

Merino was very good on the ball but a lot of the freedom he got to express himself was down to the work done by Hayden, excellent today  :thup:
Yep. Does the easy to overlook dirty work very well. Closes down, cuts out angles, as well making/finding space in busy areas. Great attitude/sound lad as well
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 26 August 2017, 08:13:26 PM
First time this season he's made runs from deep. Very good at that.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Saturday 26 August 2017, 09:54:07 PM
He's young and playing his first premier league season, but i like the boy, always gives a 100% and has some good talent.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 27 August 2017, 01:38:27 AM
He's incredibly silky when he attacks the box and makes runs in. We look better when Isaac is doing this.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 27 August 2017, 12:19:09 PM
I'd be playing Hayden against games when we know we're going to be under the cosh a bit more, but against teams at home who we might expect to have more of the ball I'd like to see Merino and Shelvey together.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:39:11 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:40:33 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
No he's not, hes been one of our better players this season, has a poor game, must be dropped. He also has a class attitude.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:41:08 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
Diame had much more time and space to operate in due to the game being stretched.

Hayden's not in the team to be a creative outlet, he does his job absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:41:09 PM
Poor on the ball by his usual decent standards today, but still did very well in terms of putting a shift in and covering hard yards.

The early yellow didn't help like. Booked for his first foul and yet the ref spoke to Fer about 3 or 4 times before producing a card.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:41:46 PM
Already posted it in the match thread but:


Love this attitude.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:43:18 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
No he's not, hes been one of our better players this season, has a poor game, must be dropped. He also has a class attitude.

Disagree there mind. Thought he was good against West Ham but poor in the other three.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:43:39 PM
Already posted it in the match thread but:


Love this attitude.

Aye, good stuff that.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:44:56 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
No he's not, hes been one of our better players this season, has a poor game, must be dropped. He also has a class attitude.

Poor on the ball today*. Caught out a few times. Lost it way more than anyone else apart from Atsu.

This is a just review of his performance today. Didn't watch Wham game but has been poor in the others imo
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:45:18 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
No he's not, hes been one of our better players this season, has a poor game, must be dropped. He also has a class attitude.

Disagree there mind. Thought he was good against West Ham but poor in the other three.
Thought he played well against Spurs until the sending off, and against Huddersfield he what he was meant too.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:46:21 PM
Hayden is going to have games like this, he is young and this is his first season playing at this level. Great attitude and I'm sure he will work from it. Didn't help he good booked at the very start of the game and he still worked hard until he came off.

A lot more to come from this lad. :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
No he's not, hes been one of our better players this season, has a poor game, must be dropped. He also has a class attitude.

Poor on the ball today*. Caught out a few times. Lost it way more than anyone else apart from Atsu.

This is a just review of his performance today. Didn't watch Wham game but has been poor in the others imo
I'm not disputing he was poor on the ball, but defensively did his job, and that he shouldnt be dropped. Thats all. :)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:51:12 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
No he's not, hes been one of our better players this season, has a poor game, must be dropped. He also has a class attitude.

Poor on the ball today*. Caught out a few times. Lost it way more than anyone else apart from Atsu.

This is a just review of his performance today. Didn't watch Wham game but has been poor in the others imo
I'm not disputing he was poor on the ball, but defensively did his job, and that he shouldnt be dropped. Thats all. :)

oK.
I would probably start him next but he's rightfully in danger of being dropped. Diame did everything* better when he came on. I mean, you can't have a pass completion rate of 66% as a DM and keep your place if you play like that every week.

If I trusted Diame to consistently play like that I would start him though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Sunday 10 September 2017, 06:55:16 PM
*I love overreacting and talking s****.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: M1tche on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:01:56 PM
Was poor on the ball today, definitely up there as one of his worst performances for us. Even with that said it would be harsh for him to be dropped off the back of that, as I doubt he'll play like that again for while.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Incognito on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:10:56 PM
I felt his yellow was harsh tbh. Literally had nowhere to go and didn't even make a challenge. If getting ran into accidentally is a bookable offence these days it's f***ing ridiculous.

And of course having a yellow so early kind of stunts his game. No way would I even think of playing Diame in for him in spite of his fairly decent cameo today.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:16:44 PM
I felt his yellow was harsh tbh. Literally had nowhere to go and didn't even make a challenge. If getting ran into accidentally is a bookable offence these days it's f***ing ridiculous.

More concerned about him on the ball. Poor first touch, then poor passing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:22:47 PM
I felt his yellow was harsh tbh. Literally had nowhere to go and didn't even make a challenge. If getting ran into accidentally is a bookable offence these days it's f***ing ridiculous.

More concerned about him on the ball. Poor first touch, then poor passing.

Fortunately the player himself has said he recognised he had a poor game. He's clearly aware he didn't play well, so stop posting useless s*** as if it's some miraculous insight none of us can comprehend or acknowledge.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:27:04 PM
Poor on the ball. Awful first touch today. Diame was much better. In danger of losing his position.
Diame had much more time and space to operate in due to the game being stretched.

Hayden's not in the team to be a creative outlet, he does his job absolutely fine.

There's a difference between not being a creative outlet and not finding your man with 1/3 of your passes in central midfield.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:27:49 PM
I felt his yellow was harsh tbh. Literally had nowhere to go and didn't even make a challenge. If getting ran into accidentally is a bookable offence these days it's f***ing ridiculous.

More concerned about him on the ball. Poor first touch, then poor passing.

Fortunately the player himself has said he recognised he had a poor game. He's clearly aware he didn't play well, so stop posting useless s*** as if it's some miraculous insight none of us can comprehend or acknowledge.

I've only seen the Sky games. He's not played well in any.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:28:40 PM
Did you even read what I posted :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:28:47 PM
The West Ham game he was really good
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:36:33 PM
Did you even read what I posted :lol:

Yes. He's acknowledged he's had 1 bad game. If it was an anomaly and he did this I would not be concerned. He's had 3 bad games in 4.

Part 2: consensus seems to be he was ok today because he's not meant to be a creator. I'm not expecting creativity either but losing the ball as much as he did isn't acceptable. Around these parts that's insight.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:41:48 PM
He was poor today, aye. But trying to say Diame played well/ok in comparison kind of voids your argument. Especially when you keep banging on about Hayden's poor touch. Diame's touch wouldn't look out of place in League Two. He has been horrendous when called upon this season.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:47:48 PM
Diame looked good when moved back into centre midfield towards the end of games last season too. Its completely different playing in there from the start of the game
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Sunday 10 September 2017, 07:49:54 PM
Plus Swansea seemed to go 4-3-3 towards the end, giving us loads of time and space in the middle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Sunday 10 September 2017, 08:33:37 PM
He will only improve and get better, i don't think getting a yellow card 8 mins into the game helped him much.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: wormy on Sunday 10 September 2017, 09:24:56 PM
I was watching a poor mobile stream with no sound. Saw him go down a lot; my instant reaction based on his previous is he needs to remember he's not at Arsenal anymore and we don't get the benefit of decisions just because he rolls around a bit. Is that harsh?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 10 September 2017, 09:27:37 PM
He does that at least once a game. He never seems to ever be seriously injured either. Just a poor pain threshold I think.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Sunday 10 September 2017, 09:33:48 PM
He does that at least once a game. He never seems to ever be seriously injured either. Just a poor pain threshold I think.

Sometime I think it's an attempt at game management, slow the opposition down if they have momentum etc. Certainly looked like that against West Ham.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: wormy on Sunday 10 September 2017, 09:45:07 PM
He does that at least once a game. He never seems to ever be seriously injured either. Just a poor pain threshold I think.

Sometime I think it's an attempt at game management, slow the opposition down if they have momentum etc. Certainly looked like that against West Ham.

He needs to stop because more often than not it hands momentum to the opposition. Case in point, him going down gave us one less as Swansea broke and Lascelles had to bail us out with the clearance.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 10 September 2017, 10:12:13 PM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Sunday 10 September 2017, 11:42:53 PM
He was terrible tbf, and I like him
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Sunday 10 September 2017, 11:44:40 PM
He does that at least once a game. He never seems to ever be seriously injured either. Just a poor pain threshold I think.

Sometime I think it's an attempt at game management, slow the opposition down if they have momentum etc. Certainly looked like that against West Ham.

He needs to stop because more often than not it hands momentum to the opposition. Case in point, him going down gave us one less as Swansea broke and Lascelles had to bail us out with the clearance.
It was absolutely awful going down in that scenario unless he was badly hurt. Could easily have been the difference between winning and losing the game
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 10 September 2017, 11:47:29 PM
Remember Guthrie doing it one game (WBA away?) and got pillared for it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 September 2017, 11:50:49 PM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 10 September 2017, 11:51:50 PM
That's bold statement.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: wormy on Sunday 10 September 2017, 11:54:32 PM
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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 10 September 2017, 11:59:00 PM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.
[emoji38] Of all the things to get worked up about. Such a f***ing weirdo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 September 2017, 12:02:21 AM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.

:pardsgrin:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Monday 11 September 2017, 12:08:24 AM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.

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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Monday 11 September 2017, 01:00:59 AM
He's still adjusting (and young). He'll eventually be a consistently good Prem player, he's going to be learning a lot this season though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Zero on Monday 11 September 2017, 01:05:52 AM
He needs to improve asap or we should move on next season and get a better replacement.  This season is very crucial to his career.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 11 September 2017, 09:40:19 AM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.

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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Incognito on Monday 11 September 2017, 09:59:11 AM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.
[emoji38] Of all the things to get worked up about. Such a f***ing weirdo.
You must be doing something right if L.C D. thinks you're s**** [emoji4]
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: reefatoon on Monday 11 September 2017, 10:01:03 AM
It's made all the more baffling, as what KI actually said was totally correct.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sadnesstan on Monday 11 September 2017, 10:09:23 AM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.

If those errors had cost us it would have been a terrible performance, just the way it goes. Thankfully we have a pretty solid defence which allows him a little insurance, which is probably vital at this stage of his career.

He'd be finished as a footballer today, if Colo and Williamson were covering him.

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Monday 11 September 2017, 10:58:15 AM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.

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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: John P on Monday 11 September 2017, 11:18:32 AM
You could see when he was being brought off that he was disappointed in his own performance, but he seems to have the right character to be able to bounce back and put it right next week. He was by no means terrible, just had a poor day. Got to love his tenacity and attitude though, seems to be a good guy.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Monday 11 September 2017, 02:50:58 PM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.

(http://i.imgur.com/CC0imrL.gif)

He's in a rich vein of form is TCD.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Monday 11 September 2017, 02:56:36 PM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.
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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Monday 11 September 2017, 03:22:18 PM
He's going to have games like this from time to time at this age, but he wasn't terrible, just a couple of errors that could have cost us. I like him a lot and he should only get better.
This is why you're one of the worst posters on this forum.

(http://i.imgur.com/CC0imrL.gif)

:lol:


Hayden is a bit hit and miss, but I still think he's an improvement on what we had in that area. He's got some athleticism so he can at least close players down even if his football is sometimes sloppy in possession. We need to improve in the defensive midfield role, but you could say that about just about every other area of the pitch.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: afar on Monday 11 September 2017, 03:36:15 PM
He just seemed very weak and a strange panic seemed to set in when he had the ball, tbh the West Ham game apart that's been his season so far. He was excellent against West Ham, not sure why he reverted back against Swansea, will be lucky to keep his place against stoke.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Monday 11 September 2017, 03:49:26 PM
He just seemed very weak and a strange panic seemed to set in when he had the ball, tbh the West Ham game apart that's been his season so far. He was excellent against West Ham, not sure why he reverted back against Swansea, will be lucky to keep his place against stoke.

I'm still to be convinced that we can play Merino and Shelvey as a pair, I know Merino is okay on the defensive side of things but neither of those two have the bite to the tackle that Hayden provides so as a midfield pairing we are going to lose some aggression if he's dropped.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 10:14:49 AM
What about Shelvey in the 10?  I know it kind of goes against what Rafa wants in that position and Shelvey is better getting on the ball deep.  But Perez doesn't really offer much and the other option is Diame. 

Would love to see all 3 on the pitch together at some point. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 10:18:55 AM
What about Shelvey in the 10?  I know it kind of goes against what Rafa wants in that position and Shelvey is better getting on the ball deep.  But Perez doesn't really offer much and the other option is Diame. 

Would love to see all 3 on the pitch together at some point.
:thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: aussiemag on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 10:26:57 AM
PlayMerino as the 10
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 10:36:46 AM
PlayMerino as the 10

I'm not sure.  Shelvey is the one with the better shot, but also the less mobile and is a bit of a liability defensively. 

I think they'd make a great midfield 3, the same as what we played under KK the second time around.   
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 10:56:38 AM
                  Blobby
     LeJuene Lascelles Clark
Yedlin                             Ritchie
     Shelvey Hayden Merino
          Joselu         Gayle
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 11:35:07 AM
Won't happen under Rafa, mind.  Although with the way formations seem to be changing again and 3 at the back becoming a bit more popular.  It actually looks a decent line up on paper
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 11:37:26 AM
Looks tasty minus using Ritchie on LWB.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 12:02:59 PM
Looks tasty minus using Ritchie on LWB.
Struggled to fit him in anywhere else and couldn't think of a LWB, so had to go Ritchie. At least he has the work rate to play there.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 02:30:01 PM
At least Hayden can always run and close players down. Don't think Shelvey can do that to the same level. For backfoot team that's more important. Honestly, if Diame can play like he did for the last 20 mins for a whole game i'd start him
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 02:39:19 PM
He just seemed very weak and a strange panic seemed to set in when he had the ball, tbh the West Ham game apart that's been his season so far. He was excellent against West Ham, not sure why he reverted back against Swansea, will be lucky to keep his place against stoke.

Because he wasn't pressed against West Ham, his first touch is very average and anyone who puts him under pressure gets joy from it. I like him a lot and has a lot of positive traits to his game, but this won't be the last time this season his technique will be called into question.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 02:51:40 PM
He just seemed very weak and a strange panic seemed to set in when he had the ball, tbh the West Ham game apart that's been his season so far. He was excellent against West Ham, not sure why he reverted back against Swansea, will be lucky to keep his place against stoke.

Because he wasn't pressed against West Ham, his first touch is very average and anyone who puts him under pressure gets joy from it. I like him a lot and has a lot of positive traits to his game, but this won't be the last time this season his technique will be called into question.

Aye it's that first touch.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 06:19:37 PM
Has to be Shelvey and Merino imo, Hayden just has nowt on either of them technically. I was saying that last week incidentally. :pow:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 06:20:48 PM
I worry that Shelvey would make Merino do far too much defensively tbh, honestly any combination you like has it's faults that we are going to have to live with in the short term.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 06:42:51 PM
Wouldn't change it until we need to tbh, these two are doing nicely together.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 07:23:23 PM
Shelvey's a liability as things stand. I can't see Rafa feeling comfortable trusting him yet. Merino and Hayden are capable and while Hayden doesn't have the strengths that Shelvey has, it works both ways. I'd keep things as they are at the moment.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Tuesday 12 September 2017, 07:47:07 PM
Full game the U23s when both Aarons and Sterry played a half might suggest he isn't likely to start vs Stoke.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: afar on Wednesday 13 September 2017, 01:21:03 AM
Full game the U23s when both Aarons and Sterry played a half might suggest he isn't likely to start vs Stoke.
He asked to play, he hasn't played 90 mins since the Wolfsburg friendly. He needed it and next game isn't until the weekend so plenty of time to recover.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: afar on Wednesday 13 September 2017, 01:27:43 AM
Shelvey's a liability as things stand. I can't see Rafa feeling comfortable trusting him yet. Merino and Hayden are capable and while Hayden doesn't have the strengths that Shelvey has, it works both ways. I'd keep things as they are at the moment.

Really ? He is more of a liability than Ritchie who could have been sent off in 2 of the 4 games we played already. Stop being a drama queen, Shelvey has been sent off legitimately once in his Newcastle career.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 13 September 2017, 08:35:18 AM
Shelvey's a liability as things stand. I can't see Rafa feeling comfortable trusting him yet. Merino and Hayden are capable and while Hayden doesn't have the strengths that Shelvey has, it works both ways. I'd keep things as they are at the moment.

Really ? He is more of a liability than Ritchie who could have been sent off in 2 of the 4 games we played already. Stop being a drama queen, Shelvey has been sent off legitimately once in his Newcastle career.
Aye, and it was only a few games ago, hence 'as things stand'. This f***ing board recently, man.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Nattfare on Wednesday 13 September 2017, 08:49:14 AM
Shelvey's a liability as things stand. I can't see Rafa feeling comfortable trusting him yet. Merino and Hayden are capable and while Hayden doesn't have the strengths that Shelvey has, it works both ways. I'd keep things as they are at the moment.

And this is why you're the worst poster on this forum.

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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 13 September 2017, 11:07:22 AM
I wouldn't say Shelvey is a liability, he has the potential to do the occasional silly thing but it's fairly rare.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 13 September 2017, 11:11:06 AM
Shelvey's a liability as things stand. I can't see Rafa feeling comfortable trusting him yet. Merino and Hayden are capable and while Hayden doesn't have the strengths that Shelvey has, it works both ways. I'd keep things as they are at the moment.

Really ? He is more of a liability than Ritchie who could have been sent off in 2 of the 4 games we played already. Stop being a drama queen, Shelvey has been sent off legitimately once in his Newcastle career.
He was daft getting involved in the stuff with Lansbury last year and the whole racism thing wasn't exactly brilliant
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 14 September 2017, 05:23:07 PM
 :icon_salut:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZBl8JngyRB/?taken-by=milesstarforth
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Thursday 14 September 2017, 07:26:09 PM
Love that the club/players, especially Hayden, seem involved with this. Proper :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Scoot on Thursday 14 September 2017, 07:43:37 PM
:icon_salut:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZBl8JngyRB/?taken-by=milesstarforth

Good to see.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 14 September 2017, 09:12:13 PM
Fair play. Disgusting that the food bank is needed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nemtizz on Saturday 16 September 2017, 06:32:34 PM
Video of it here - http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/newcastle-united/11036859/hayden-visiting-food-bank-a-humbling-experience

Sounds like a great lad.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 17 September 2017, 01:16:27 AM
Great watch, that.  :aww:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Monday 18 September 2017, 11:24:04 AM
Fair play. Disgusting that the food bank is needed.

The food bank is a right con anyway. I deposited a pack of Hob Nobs in there before the Spurs game and when I went to withdraw them on Saturday I was told they were gone.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Monday 18 September 2017, 11:26:07 AM
Am I being dumb here, but why would try and withdraw something from a food bank that you yourself have given? ???
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Chicane on Monday 18 September 2017, 11:27:42 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Monday 18 September 2017, 11:28:10 AM
Fair play. Disgusting that the food bank is needed.

The food bank is a right con anyway. I deposited a pack of Hob Nobs in there before the Spurs game and when I went to withdraw them on Saturday I was told they were gone.

I saw that in Viz already, keep up.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Monday 18 September 2017, 12:16:08 PM
Am I being dumb here, but why would try and withdraw something from a food bank that you yourself have given? ???

You are being dumb here.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: BlueStar on Monday 18 September 2017, 12:18:14 PM
:lol: :lol:

Oh mate.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: NoU on Monday 18 September 2017, 01:10:27 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Monday 18 September 2017, 09:26:13 PM
Am I being dumb here, but why would try and withdraw something from a food bank that you yourself have given? ???
(http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/ActorsH/8068-15562.gif)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Klaus on Monday 18 September 2017, 09:31:36 PM
Love that the club/players, especially Hayden, seem involved with this. Proper :thup:

Wonder how many sports direct workers use food banks.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Darth Crooks on Monday 18 September 2017, 09:58:38 PM
Q: Am I being dumb here, but why would try and withdraw something from a food bank that you yourself have given? ???

A:
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: samptime29 on Monday 18 September 2017, 10:09:55 PM
Q: Am I being dumb here, but why would try and withdraw something from a food bank that you yourself have given? ???

A:
Spoiler
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 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 19 September 2017, 10:22:01 AM
Needs a song.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 19 September 2017, 10:31:48 AM
Hayden Races
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 19 September 2017, 10:35:13 AM
His name is poor for song potential. Shoddy parenting.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Tuesday 19 September 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Hayden races is a good shout.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 19 September 2017, 11:02:25 AM
https://youtu.be/d2OdXmnlleg


Tbh
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 19 September 2017, 11:22:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4H_Zoh7G5A
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 19 September 2017, 11:28:14 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 20 September 2017, 07:14:45 AM
Might have to squeeze a couple of silly bulls in, but Elton John's chorus 'Ohhhh, I was made in England' almost fits 'Ohhhh, Isaac Hayden for England'.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:06:19 PM
Thought he was better than i've seen him in the first half. In the second half his inability to pass it forward became infuriating. Wouldn't drop him for Shelvey any time soon though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: a random player who doesn't even play for us any more on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:15:54 PM
Thought he was better than i've seen him in the first half. In the second half his inability to pass it forward became infuriating. Wouldn't drop him for Shelvey any time soon though.
Really?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 24 September 2017, 06:18:51 PM
Thought he was better than i've seen him in the first half. In the second half his inability to pass it forward became infuriating. Wouldn't drop him for Shelvey any time soon though.
Really?

We are playing Liverpool next. They play with 3 CM's that can run, pass and close him down hard. He'll struggle majorly imo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Sunday 24 September 2017, 08:49:46 PM
I think him and Merino are our best CM's, he keep things together for us, Shelvey will be strolling around and this just won't work in this division.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Sunday 24 September 2017, 09:09:58 PM
Thought we looked a lot better when he was replaced by Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sh74 on Sunday 24 September 2017, 09:16:43 PM
Thought we looked a lot better when he was replaced by Shelvey.
same , thought we looked a lot better when Shelvey was on the pitch. He's a bit of a daft s**** but he needs to be in the team.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Sunday 24 September 2017, 11:07:21 PM
Said it a few times, really don't see what he brings to the party.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 24 September 2017, 11:50:21 PM
Closing down, tackles, interceptions, closing off space. All things Shelvey isn't good at.  We don't concede many and he's contributed imo. 

He's becoming a major problem with the ball though. Takes too long to make his sideway pass.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 24 September 2017, 11:52:21 PM
Even when we are losing he'll take forever too long to pass it to Lascelles.

Wor Jackie Colback actually takes forever, Too harsh for Isaac.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Zero on Monday 25 September 2017, 01:27:06 AM
I don't mind trying Shelvey and Merino next game.  We are likely to lose anyway, why not give it a try?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Monday 25 September 2017, 01:48:58 AM
Closing down, tackles, interceptions, closing off space. All things Shelvey isn't good at.  We don't concede many and he's contributed imo. 

He's becoming a major problem with the ball though. Takes too long to make his sideway pass.
Oh come on, he's nothing on the ball, off the ball he's no Dave McReery, I mean he gives little defensively or ging forward.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Zero on Monday 25 September 2017, 02:24:30 AM
He gives a lot defensively, don't go over the top.  We never got exposed in the middle thanks to Hayden and Merino.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Monday 25 September 2017, 09:06:01 AM
Thought he was better than i've seen him in the first half. In the second half his inability to pass it forward became infuriating. Wouldn't drop him for Shelvey any time soon though.
Really?

We are playing Liverpool next. They play with 3 CM's that can run, pass and close him down hard. He'll struggle majorly imo.
Yet his own defensive ability will bring a lot in such a game when we expect to be on the back foot. Finding the criticism of him way OTT.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 25 September 2017, 09:09:06 AM
I generally like him and think yesterday was one of his weaker showings.

I mentioned in the match thread that he was heavily taped up from the off so he's perhaps not 100%.

He just needs to impose himself a bit more on games, like Merino, with more aggression.

He's certainly got the potential to play at this level effectively though. Don't doubt that.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 25 September 2017, 09:55:02 AM
I'm not a big fan. Has potential but think we need the finished article in there in January.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Sima on Monday 25 September 2017, 09:58:25 AM
Thought we looked a lot better when he was replaced by Shelvey.

Brighton were sitting back massively at that point which allowed Shelvey more space.  Had we started with the two of them it would have been a different story imo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Away Day Gadgie on Monday 25 September 2017, 10:02:12 AM
A Shelvey/Merino combo is definitely worth a go but i don't think the Liverpool game would be a good time to try it.  We need Hayden's energy and athleticism for that one as i could see Liverpool's midfielders running off Shelvey far too easily.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Monday 25 September 2017, 10:04:29 AM
I'd play all 3 but I'm a deviant.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 25 September 2017, 10:11:46 AM
Thought he was better than i've seen him in the first half. In the second half his inability to pass it forward became infuriating. Wouldn't drop him for Shelvey any time soon though.
Really?

We are playing Liverpool next. They play with 3 CM's that can run, pass and close him down hard. He'll struggle majorly imo.
Yet his own defensive ability will bring a lot in such a game when we expect to be on the back foot. Finding the criticism of him way OTT.

He as in Shelvey. I just said I would not drop Hayden next week. Defensively he's good and keeps us competitive in games. With Shelvey I fear being over-run.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Monday 25 September 2017, 11:04:15 AM
I don't think he did a lot wrong yesterday, he got subbed because we needed a goal. The problems are further forward IMO, it's the forwards who aren't showing enough.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Monday 25 September 2017, 02:39:49 PM
I'd play all 3 but I'm a deviant.

Would play all 3 as well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Monday 25 September 2017, 03:07:23 PM
I'd play all 3 but I'm a deviant.

I'd definitely start all 3 on Sunday.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: George Bailey on Monday 25 September 2017, 03:13:09 PM
Has promise but is young, inexperienced and could do with a senior pro to guide him. Lad will be a good player given time and good coaching imo. Lets hope Rafa is the man to do it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: 54 on Sunday 15 October 2017, 04:58:27 PM
Strike son.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Sunday 15 October 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Not sure he knew but with Forster wrongfooted all he needed to do was hit the target on that side of the goal. Lovely clean hit did the job. :thup:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: STM on Sunday 15 October 2017, 05:01:36 PM
Bet he's never hit anything as sweet since he last had a shag.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 15 October 2017, 08:18:19 PM
Seems to have put on a little bit of muscle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Pilko on Sunday 15 October 2017, 08:19:52 PM
Class finish like. A controlled, well executed hit; coincidentally what I'd love to see The King in the studio on he receiving end of.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 15 October 2017, 08:32:28 PM
I've got a lot of time for Hayden like. I know there's the running joke about him being down injured in every match, but whether it's low pain threshold or just putting it on he's still a brave player and he has a lot about him to appreciate.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 15 October 2017, 08:40:08 PM
For the price we paid for him, he's been an absolutely fantastic signing.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 15 October 2017, 09:54:37 PM
Liked him getting forward when we went with the midfield 3.

In general we need to keep the ball a bit better so this is where he'll need to improve.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: samptime29 on Sunday 15 October 2017, 10:15:57 PM
Positive game for Hayden, really pure strike for the goal - he enjoyed that one.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 15 October 2017, 10:23:46 PM
Is it just me or was he playing the furthest forward of the 3 central midfielders for a while?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Sunday 15 October 2017, 10:31:03 PM
Is it just me or was he playing the furthest forward of the 3 central midfielders for a while?
Yeah after Perez went off.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Budgie Smuggler on Monday 16 October 2017, 12:01:14 PM
He always looks f***ing knackered after about an hour.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 5 November 2017, 09:29:28 AM
I know it's his first season at this level but struggling to see him as a starter. Doesn't really impose himself, doesn't seem to protect the back four, is hardly box-to-box and seems slow on the ball.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: a random player who doesn't even play for us any more on Sunday 5 November 2017, 09:31:27 AM
He's not a starter but I quite like him, he's always reliable and he's half decent on the ball.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Menace on Sunday 5 November 2017, 09:31:30 AM
He's very very average.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 5 November 2017, 09:36:50 AM
I'm not sure I've seen him attempt a pass over 15-20 yards either. I know we've got Shelvey & Merino for creativity but should be expecting more imo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 5 November 2017, 09:48:01 AM
Not even creativity. His passing just has no purpose. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Away Day Gadgie on Sunday 5 November 2017, 09:59:48 AM
I thought he was good yesterday, he seemed to be everywhere picking up loose balls in midfield and pressing quickly.  I'm not really one for using stats but i thought i'd try and find some to try and back up what i'm saying as i had a few drinks before the match so my opinion could've been blurred.

Pass completion - 79% (43 passes)
Key passes - 2
Long passes - 0
Dribbles - 0
Tackles - 2
Interceptions - 2
Clearances - 5
Disposessed - 1
Shots - 1

He's quite a limited player but i think his mobility and defensive insticts are important to us at the minute, especially when Shelvey is in the team.



Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 5 November 2017, 10:03:34 AM
I'm not sure I've seen him attempt a pass over 15-20 yards either. I know we've got Shelvey & Merino for creativity but should be expecting more imo.

I disagree, he's probably the only out and out defensive midfielder in the line up, if we aren't creating much, probably need to look at what the others are bringing to the table. Atsu and Ritchie should be the main providers, and you'd want more from the full backs as well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 5 November 2017, 10:28:04 AM
79% isn't a good pass completion rate considering the types of passes he attempts.

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Sunday 5 November 2017, 10:34:12 AM
He isn't an out and out defensive midfielder though. He runs forward a lot leaving us exposed on the counter
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 5 November 2017, 10:41:33 AM
I like when he breaks forward mind.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:03:45 AM
He isn't an out and out defensive midfielder though. He runs forward a lot leaving us exposed on the counter

If he's doing that, then he'll be dropped pretty sharpish, Rafa doesn't tolerate players who don't stick to the team shape.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:04:03 AM
He's another player who would be fine if we weren't so creatively bereft elsewhere.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:05:31 AM
He's another player who would be fine if we weren't so creatively bereft elsewhere.

So where are creatively bereft? I keep hearing that our midfielders are playing fine but as a unit I see them creating a shocking lack of chances.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:07:35 AM
Not sure what you're asking? We are creatively bereft in all areas of the pitch other than Jonjo Shelvey with Merino out.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:09:17 AM
I like Hayden and I think he'll improve but I'm not sure what sort of centre-midfielder he's supposed to be yet; he seems a bit of a jack-of-all/master-of-none type without any attributes that especially stand out.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:10:16 AM
He isn't an out and out defensive midfielder though. He runs forward a lot leaving us exposed on the counter

If he's doing that, then he'll be dropped pretty sharpish, Rafa doesn't tolerate players who don't stick to the team shape.

:lol::lol: so s***.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:13:54 AM
Not sure what you're asking? We are creatively bereft in all areas of the pitch other than Jonjo Shelvey with Merino out.

Ok, wasn't pointed at you but in general I read Ritchie''s fine, Atsu's fine etc but as a unit I don't see many chances created by them in the last 6 games.  So the question is if they are playing fine, where's the issue?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Not sure what you're asking? We are creatively bereft in all areas of the pitch other than Jonjo Shelvey with Merino out.

Ok, wasn't pointed at you but in general I read Ritchie''s fine, Atsu's fine etc but as a unit I don't see many chances created by them in the last 6 games.  So the question is if they are playing fine, where's the issue?

That's a very fair point, like. As a unit they're nowhere near effective enough.

What we have is one winger who can occasionally beat a man and does have pace to get in behind, but has plenty of days where he just isn't effective enough (Atsu). And another winger who is tidy, tenacious, alright from dead balls - but can't beat a man and rarely/never offers a goal threat (Ritchie). Meanwhile there's Hayden, who has potential but no stand-out attributes or creativity. Then Shelvey, who's a good player, who has the burden of the whole team's play-making and offers next to no goal threat. And aside from Merino there's absolutely f*** all waiting in the wings (Diame and Murphy, both s****, Colback and Aarons, s****/out-of-favour).

Each one of the four yesterday are varying shades of 'fine', but as you say, it isn't enough as a unit. And with absolutely f*** all ahead of them, it's a struggle.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 5 November 2017, 11:30:33 AM
Not sure what you're asking? We are creatively bereft in all areas of the pitch other than Jonjo Shelvey with Merino out.

Ok, wasn't pointed at you but in general I read Ritchie''s fine, Atsu's fine etc but as a unit I don't see many chances created by them in the last 6 games.  So the question is if they are playing fine, where's the issue?

That's a very fair point, like. As a unit they're nowhere near effective enough.

What we have is one winger who can occasionally beat a man and does have pace to get in behind, but has plenty of days where he just isn't effective enough (Atsu). And another winger who is tidy, tenacious, alright from dead balls - but can't beat a man and rarely/never offers a goal threat (Ritchie). Meanwhile there's Hayden, who has potential but no stand-out attributes or creativity. Then Shelvey, who's a good player, who has the burden of the whole team's play-making and offers next to no goal threat. And aside from Merino there's absolutely f*** all waiting in the wings (Diame and Murphy, both s****, Colback and Aarons, s****/out-of-favour).

Each one of the four yesterday are varying shades of 'fine', but as you say, it isn't enough as a unit. And with absolutely f*** all ahead of them, it's a struggle.

This is why I think people might be focusing too much on the striker issues (we have issues there, no doybt) but the midfield isn't helping them with service.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:23:19 PM
Reaĺy don't see what he brings to the party.  Doesn't bring the baĺ off CH's , doesn't create, doesn't get forward, doesn't defend..

So anonymous  that I had to look beyond threads of Gamez , Papavasilou and Peter Kelly to find him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:24:06 PM
That wasn't the match to work out what he does like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:25:34 PM
That wasn't the match to work out what he does like.
What does he do in other matches?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:26:53 PM
He's an all-rounder really, usually okay at most things.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:32:00 PM
He's an all-rounder really, usually okay at most things.

Seriously ? HE hasn't been "OK" in the premiership  and rarely passed for it in the championship.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:33:24 PM
He's an all-rounder really, usually okay at most things.

Seriously ? HE hasn't been "OK" in the premiership  and rarely passed for it in the championship.
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:35:42 PM
He was absolutely fine in the Championship
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: madras on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:53:29 PM
He was absolutely fine in the Championship
What did he do ? Did he ever dominate a game, wasn't even a good water carrier. Never made huge balls ups I'll  grant you but that was often due to him basically keeping out the way.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:55:20 PM
Average in the Championship. Slightly below average in the Premier League. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Rafa prefers him to Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 9 December 2017, 09:56:47 PM
Average in the Championship. Slightly below average in the Premier League. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Rafa prefers him to Shelvey.
Rafa rotates between all of them.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Saturday 9 December 2017, 10:01:51 PM
Average in the Championship. Slightly below average in the Premier League. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Rafa prefers him to Shelvey.
Rafa rotates between all of them.

He started neither him or Shelvey last week. He should have started Shelvey ahead of him today.

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 9 December 2017, 10:07:27 PM
Average in the Championship. Slightly below average in the Premier League. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Rafa prefers him to Shelvey.
Rafa rotates between all of them.

He started neither him or Shelvey last week. He should have started Shelvey ahead of him today.
Yeah. There's no real case for there being a preference for any one player though.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 9 December 2017, 11:09:39 PM
Poor today. Leicester's midfield just coasted past him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 10 December 2017, 12:26:29 AM
He’s struggling to impose himself in this league, I thought he’d be fantastic for it but he needs to show it sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Sunday 10 December 2017, 12:30:21 AM
He's an all-rounder really, usually okay at most things.

Seriously ? HE hasn't been "OK" in the premiership  and rarely passed for it in the championship.

Posting s**** again I see.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 10 December 2017, 12:31:32 AM
He's an all-rounder really, usually okay at most things.

Seriously ? HE hasn't been "OK" in the premiership  and rarely passed for it in the championship.
Shut up, man. He was absolutely fine in the Championship and showed a fair bit of promise. Southampton away stands out this year along with West Ham at home, to name 2 matches off the top of my head. You grumpy old fart.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 10 December 2017, 12:33:01 AM
Average in the Championship. Slightly below average in the Premier League. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Rafa prefers him to Shelvey.
Hope your mate Jackie can get back in
Xx
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: timeEd32 on Sunday 10 December 2017, 01:00:02 PM
He won one tackle yesterday and had zero interceptions. He offers nothing going forward so if he’s not consistently breaking up play then there is no purpose to him playing ahead of Shelvey.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Sunday 10 December 2017, 01:19:34 PM
Seem to remember a fair few games last season where he was quite active in both ends of the pitch, at times he looked class. He also had games where he struggled with the basics which makes me think it might be a confidence issue.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Friday 15 December 2017, 07:29:03 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/15/isaac-hayden-newcastle-arsenal-flamini-premier-league

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Isaac Hayden: ‘Flamini caught me on the inside of my ankle and I heard two clicks’
The Newcastle midfielder takes on his former club Arsenal wondering what might have been but for a tackle in training by Mathieu Flamini the day before he was due to make his Premier League debut for the Gunners


Isaac Hayden had waited a lifetime for the moment. The midfielder had dreamed the dream and, when it came true, the elation was overwhelming. He was 19 years old, a product of the Arsenal academy and Arsène Wenger had told him he was about to make his Premier League debut. It was October 2014, the fixture was Hull City at the Emirates Stadium and Hayden was in the starting XI. What happened next – in training that morning – would turn his life upside down.

“I remember coming out with the ball, I passed it and then Mathieu Flamini has come in,” Hayden says. “He’s come in and caught me on the inside of my ankle, above the bone, and the ankle has just turned. It has clicked. I actually heard two clicks.”

It was the beginning of a nightmare for Hayden, who now plays for Newcastle United, but he has come to consider it a sliding doors moment. He could not play against Hull – ironically, Flamini replaced him in the lineup – and he would be out of first-team contention for the remainder of the season. Hayden did not get another opportunity under Wenger.

Where one door shut, another opened. He enjoyed a successful season-long loan at Hull in 2015-16, when they won promotion from the Championship via the play-offs, before he completed a £1.5m transfer to Newcastle. The deal contained add-ons worth £250,000. Hayden was part of the team who won the Championship last season and he will fulfil an ambition on Saturday when he plays Premier League football at the Emirates – only not in the colours he originally envisaged.

“The situation with Flamini was not malicious; he didn’t mean to do the injury,” Hayden says. “It was just unfortunate but it was definitely a case of a young pro versus an experienced pro and him saying: ‘Look, I’m still here. This is my position and, if you want to take it, you’re going to have to fight for it.’ Which I was more than happy to do. But with that injury, it was impossible.”

Hayden relives the days and weeks that followed the Flamini tackle in minute detail. Wenger told him to ice the ankle immediately and suggested he come to the team hotel in London later on. The manager did not want to rule him out but Hayden could barely walk and he would stay at home that night. The following morning – the day of the Hull game – he reported for a fitness test. The swelling had subsided slightly and the medical team wondered whether he could play. He was still in pain.

Hayden will never forget his dilemma. If he did not play, would he ever get another chance, particularly in his favoured defensive midfield role? He had made only two appearances for Arsenal – both in the League Cup; the first in midfield at West Bromwich Albion, the second in central defence at home to Southampton. But if he did play and was unable to do himself justice, would that not ruin everything? In the end, the decision was taken for him to sit out the match.

“They didn’t scan the injury,” Hayden says. “They just said: ‘It’s OK to play on.’ I said it was sore but they were like: ‘That’s normal on a sprain. It’ll be fine.’ So I did a rehab session and I couldn’t even kick the ball. Every time it touched my foot, I was in agony. So they sent me for an MRI.

“It showed that the ATFL [anterior talofibular] ligament in the ankle had come away from the joint – it was spraying around in the joint – and, if I had carried on, it could have completely ruptured. It was hanging on by a thread. They also said there was a little fissure in the cartilage but that was nothing to worry about. I thought: ‘OK, I trust them with that. We’ll leave that.’ I was out for two months with the ligament.”

Hayden returned in December to play 72 minutes of an under-23 game against Bolton Wanderers. Wenger had recalled Francis Coquelin from his loan at Charlton Athletic as a midfield selection crisis gripped. Coquelin did not force himself into the starting team straight away and Hayden felt the window of opportunity remained open. Then he tried to get out of bed after the Bolton match. He got back in. The ankle had swollen badly.

Arsenal’s medics were puzzled. They knew the ligament had healed and an MRI scan confirmed it. They prescribed a fortnight of rest but Hayden continued to feel pain. So they called on the ankle specialist James Calder, who sent Hayden for a CT scan with a dye injection, which would highlight everything. It picked up a significant flap tear in the cartilage that needed surgery and up to five months out. Hayden’s season was wrecked. “I was just numb,” he says.

By the end of the season, Coquelin had formed a midfield partnership with Santi Cazorla and Hayden could see other players would be ahead of him in the pecking order, including Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere. Mikel Arteta was still around and so was Flamini. It was clear his Arsenal career was over.

What if the injury had been diagnosed earlier? Would he, rather than Coquelin, have established himself at Arsenal, the club he joined from Southend United at the age of 13? Could he have become the imposing defensive midfielder that Arsenal crave?

“Even now, to this day, when I watch Arsenal play on TV …” Hayden says, before tailing off. “I look at Héctor Bellerín, who was in my scholarship intake at Arsenal – he’s the biggest one for me. We were both at exactly the same stage [at the start of 2014-15].

“But when Mathieu Debuchy had his shoulder injury and then did his ankle, and Calum Chambers struggled, Wenger thought: ‘Right, Bellerín is my only option.’ He had a tough full debut at Dortmund and he had a bad game at Stoke but he got his opportunity because there was literally nobody else in the position. Wenger would have had to play Flamini at right-back.”

Hayden tells the story of his Arsenal debut at West Brom in September 2013 and how, after Wenger had named him in the squad but excluded him from the team shape drills, he assumed he would be a substitute. When he got to The Hawthorns, it was the kitman, Vic Akers, who told him he was starting. Wenger then dropped another bombshell; he would be in midfield. He had been used purely as a centre-half in training and, even after the game, in which Hayden played well, the manager continued to push him as a defender.

To Hayden, Wenger was difficult to read; his style slightly off the cuff. The contrast to Rafael Benítez is vivid. When Newcastle were made aware Hayden was available, Benítez watched 12 videos of him overnight before deciding to sign him, and the Spaniard made quite an impression on Hayden during their first meeting.

“It was at the Rosewood hotel in London and there was a big bowl of chocolates on the table,” Hayden says. “All of a sudden, he got two big handfuls of them and he lined them up in formation. He started asking me questions. ‘Right, if the ball came in from here and the centre-halves are here, where would you be?’ Sometimes, he said: ‘Brilliant.’ Other times, he said: ‘No. That’s a very English answer.’ It was like a coaching session at the first meeting. After it, I told my agent: ‘I don’t care what it takes. I just want to make this transfer happen.’”

Benítez takes meticulous to the next level. According to Hayden, the manager has written a thesis on the holding midfield role – a comparative analysis of the position across five countries, including England and Spain. Hayden thinks Benítez studied it at university in Madrid.

“He’s literally obsessed with it,” Hayden says. “He played that position himself. He wants to talk non-stop. I could play really well and he’ll never say: ‘Well played.’ He will always tell me I was out of position by two yards in a particular situation. It’s just how he is. You have to be bang on it in every way.”

When Hayden moved to Newcastle, he lived in the same apartment block as Benítez. “I’ve moved out now,” Hayden says. “I’d get my dinner from a restaurant around the corner, which did lovely chicken and pasta dishes, and I’d collect it after training. He’d come home at the same time and he used to catch me as I got out of my car. One time, I was sitting in the car, waiting and waiting for him to go up in the lift but he was waiting for me. My food was getting cold. He’d just want to talk about football for half an hour.”

Hayden is mature beyond his 22 years. He is engaging and expansive – it is easy to see how he left school with 13 GCSEs – and, unlike some of his peers, he is self-critical and volunteers strident opinions. Having represented England at every youth level, his ambition is to make it to the seniors.

He has come to appreciate how and why football is akin to “religion” in Newcastle – to borrow the word he uses – and, game by game, the pressure on him and his team-mates is immense. He is not one to shy from a challenge.

“The target for the season has to be survival,” he says. “The club has so much potential but it’s never going to be realised under the current ownership. I don’t think it’s because Mike Ashley doesn’t want to realise it. I think it’s that he can’t afford to fully realise it. Look at the Man City owners or the Glazers at United. The money that has to be spent in the Premier League, just to be competitive at the top end of the table is absolutely crazy now. He’s just not in that league and he genuinely cannot compete.

“He’s trying to sell and it will be amazing for Newcastle when the takeover happens but in the meantime, it’s up to us to stay in the league. We can do that, especially with Rafa as manager. Realistically, we can aim for 12th and up. It’s about getting it right and if we stay in the league, as I believe we will, everything will come together.”
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Ameritoon on Friday 15 December 2017, 07:47:09 PM
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“He’s trying to sell and it will be amazing for Newcastle when the takeover happens

 :pow:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dinho lad on Friday 15 December 2017, 07:50:41 PM
f***ing hell, Rafa. :lol:

Good read, that.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiresias on Friday 15 December 2017, 09:41:41 PM
I'd chat to rafa about football for half an hour every day if he wants :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sh74 on Friday 15 December 2017, 10:12:39 PM
Just out of curiosity who was Rafa’s holding midfielders at his previous clubs?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: TRon on Friday 15 December 2017, 10:22:52 PM
Rafa watched 12 videos of him overnight before deciding to sign him. That'll do for me.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: firetotheworks on Friday 15 December 2017, 10:56:06 PM
Just out of curiosity who was Rafa’s holding midfielders at his previous clubs?
Mascherano then Lucas at Liverpool.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sh74 on Friday 15 December 2017, 11:04:30 PM
Has he always just used 1 or has he used 2 holding midfielders in his 4-2-3-1.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 16 December 2017, 11:41:55 AM
Alonso and Mascherano was his best pairing. Alonso intelligent off the ball and stayed deep. Mascherano the enforcer.  Stevie G ahead of them.   
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sh74 on Saturday 16 December 2017, 12:05:09 PM
Wonder if thats what he's trying to do here. Merino as one holding midfielder and maybe he bought Hayden in as the other one with the limited money he had to spend. Whereas if he had the funds would those two holding midfield positions be big money signings.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 16 December 2017, 01:16:11 PM
Alonso and Mascherano was his best pairing. Alonso intelligent off the ball and stayed deep. Mascherano the enforcer.  Stevie G ahead of them.

So glad you reminded everybody. They wore red aswell, aye?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: triggs on Saturday 16 December 2017, 01:22:13 PM
Alonso and Mascherano was his best pairing. Alonso intelligent off the ball and stayed deep. Mascherano the enforcer.  Stevie G ahead of them.

So glad you reminded everybody. They wore red aswell, aye?
Eh, did you read the question he was replying to?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 16 December 2017, 01:25:06 PM
Alonso and Mascherano was his best pairing. Alonso intelligent off the ball and stayed deep. Mascherano the enforcer.  Stevie G ahead of them.

So glad you reminded everybody. They wore red aswell, aye?
Eh, did you read the question he was replying to?

Aye.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 16 December 2017, 03:52:31 PM
You’re a clown Twinport. 
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:15:46 PM
Hid behind their defenders avoiding the ball today, all he did managed to do was pull at shirts. f***ing coward.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:16:59 PM
One decent run down the right. This is the man supposed to be more useful than Shelvey. Doesn't even want the f***ing ball.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:19:35 PM
We really improved when Shelvey came on. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:24:10 PM
We really improved when Shelvey came on. :rolleyes:
Wanted the ball more than your man did.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Smal on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:24:39 PM
I swear in the Championship he used to make more forward runs and was more of a box-to-box player. This season he just seems to stand around the middle of the field looking lost.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Jesse Pinkman on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:27:28 PM
I don’t rate Shelvey, but we look so much better in possession as a team when Shelvey is in there. At least Shelvey is alway giving an option.

Hayden hides at times and isn’t good enough on the ball to play in a 2 man pairing at this level. You could see the panic.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:41:44 PM
I swear in the Championship he used to make more forward runs and was more of a box-to-box player. This season he just seems to stand around the middle of the field looking lost.

Last season he was always flying in with sliding tackles anarl. Ones that got the crowd going, where's that gone?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 30 December 2017, 06:45:30 PM
I swear in the Championship he used to make more forward runs and was more of a box-to-box player. This season he just seems to stand around the middle of the field looking lost.

Last season he was always flying in with sliding tackles anarl. Ones that got the crowd going, where's that gone?

Confidence.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Saturday 30 December 2017, 07:35:38 PM
The invisible man once again. Jogs around the centre circle doning absolutely nothing whilst Merino has to do literally everything else.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 30 December 2017, 07:38:52 PM
I’m normally such a big fan of his because I like him as a young learning player with potential but he’s got to show something besides letting the ball be passed around him or making the super safe pass.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: huss9 on Saturday 30 December 2017, 08:21:25 PM
saivet merino shelvey for stoke
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:09:23 PM
The invisible man once again. Jogs around the centre circle doning absolutely nothing whilst Merino has to do literally everything else.

Yep. He was terrible.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:12:05 PM
One good run and decent cross in the first half. Other than that, ran about a bit.

I do like him but when the onus is on us to get the ball and make things happen he's out of his depth at the moment.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Willow on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:19:24 PM
I want to see Merino, Saivet and Shelvey in the middle somehow - Hayden seems to have lost his mojo this season
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:27:45 PM
I swear in the Championship he used to make more forward runs and was more of a box-to-box player. This season he just seems to stand around the middle of the field looking lost.

Last season he was always flying in with sliding tackles anarl. Ones that got the crowd going, where's that gone?

Confidence.
I think it's mainly that the game is looking a bit too quick for him at this level and is passing him by a bit.

Still got hope he'll come good though. Our two centre mids today are so young and inexperienced
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:38:47 PM
The invisible man once again. Jogs around the centre circle doning absolutely nothing whilst Merino has to do literally everything else.

I don't like him so I've deduced he doesn't try because I'm too thick and angry to work out he mightn't be good enough. What a load of s****.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:53:59 PM
Was one of our better players today, not saying much. He needs creativity around him and more presence and then he can be perhaps our Jordan Henderson, someone you rarely ngicw but does the basics well while sitting and always being available. Ideally and this goes for most of them, a massive upgrade is required.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:54:44 PM
Was one of our better players today.

He really wasn't - he was awful.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:57:57 PM
Was one of our better players today.

He really wasn't - he was awful.

I thought he was OK, but again that’s not saying much as most were awful. Worst of all Clarke, Atsu who I rate and Ritchie.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Saturday 30 December 2017, 10:58:42 PM
I wasn’t there btw, watched on a very good stream so acknowledge he may have been different up close.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 30 December 2017, 11:00:18 PM
I watched on TV and thought he was poor.  I thought the whole midfield was dire throughout the match tbh, when the onus is on the HT to press and attack the midfield is key to that.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Saturday 30 December 2017, 11:10:22 PM
Yep, both Merino and Hayden sat deep. Really not on at home to Brighton but presume that is also on instruction from Rafa.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 31 December 2017, 05:32:10 AM
Seems like a nice lad but I think the championship is his level sadly, I just don’t feel he has what it takes for the premier league.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: loki679 on Sunday 31 December 2017, 05:55:29 AM
Howay, he's a young lad in his first season in the PL.  He's got the attributes to make it as a decent premier league midfielder, he just needs more game time and experience.

He's playing in a fairly s**** side at the moment but i've got faith that he'll improve and get better with a few more decent players around him and when we have the luxury of rotating him in and out as needed.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 31 December 2017, 06:29:39 AM
I appreciate your points but I disagree I think he doesn’t have the attributes, his first touch isn’t the best he isn’t particularly composed he’s not a great passer, he doesn’t get around the pitch well he isn’t strong he just doesn’t have what it takes imo.

His strongest attribute is probably his tackling but we sit deep and don’t apply pressure in midfield so that’s pretty much negated too.

The point of my post wasn’t to trash him it was to purely illustrate my belief that we will need an upgrade sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Sunday 31 December 2017, 08:23:33 AM
The invisible man once again. Jogs around the centre circle doning absolutely nothing whilst Merino has to do literally everything else.

I don't like him so I've deduced he doesn't try because I'm too thick and angry to work out he mightn't be good enough. What a load of s****.

You are thick as mince like Disco lad. For once I agree with you there. I've known Hayden wasn't good enough a long time ago.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nufc4eva on Sunday 31 December 2017, 08:27:18 AM
Weak as f***. He got pushed off the ball time and time again and shows no aggression at all in the tackle. It was a waste of a space today.

I thought him and Ritchie were our worst players by far.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Wallsendmag on Sunday 31 December 2017, 08:40:54 AM
Weak as f***. He got pushed off the ball time and time again and shows no aggression at all in the tackle. It was a waste of a space today.

I thought him and Ritchie were our worst players by far.

Agree and I'd add Atsu to that as well. Would be great to have a wide player who can run with the ball, beat his man and then whip a cross in.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Gallowgate Toon on Sunday 31 December 2017, 11:01:27 AM
A non-entity at this level, at the mo.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: LRD on Monday 1 January 2018, 04:55:15 PM
What was that towards the end? Just giving up on a goal attempt like that?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: nufc4eva on Monday 1 January 2018, 04:56:05 PM
The cross and his shot were awful
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Monday 1 January 2018, 04:56:15 PM
He looked absolutely knackered despite playing about 5 minutes :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 1 January 2018, 05:04:30 PM
He looked absolutely knackered despite playing about 5 minutes :lol:

:lol: like he was running through molasses
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 1 January 2018, 05:05:58 PM
What was that towards the end? Just giving up on a goal attempt like that?

:lol: I dunno how he found himself down in their end not once, but twice, and I don't think he knows either.

First time he should've taken it to the flag and held-up. Second time he should've flipped it back to Gayle for the shot.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:15:03 PM
That was a wierd cameo like, on that performance alone he looks dog s***. Rafa, Lascelles and someone else were all going mad with him for that pass towards the end, or lack of.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:15:40 PM
Forgot about the one on one almost as well :lol: could have proved costly!
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:16:14 PM
He seems to be totally lost in the attacking third :lol: I like him as a lad and player, but he needs to be told that the least he could do in those situations is head to the corner flag and just hold the f***ing ball.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:17:48 PM
Was horrendous man, he was also particularly useless versus Brighton as well.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:18:55 PM
He seems to be totally lost in the attacking third :lol: I like him as a lad and player, but he needs to be told that the least he could do in those situations is head to the corner flag and just hold the f***ing ball.

I suspect he got it in the ear off Rafa at full-time as he was going spare along with a few others.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:20:20 PM
Would suspect he got told to stay in his own half, then found himself way up the pitch a couple of times with our fans baying at him to go for the juggler and he didn't know what to do.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:21:16 PM
Would suspect he got told to stay in his own half, then found himself way up the pitch a couple of times with our fans baying at him to go for the juggler and he didn't know what to do.

*jugular ;)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:21:37 PM
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Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Kanji on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:21:58 PM
Well if Isaac finds himself in those positions and he's going to go rogue...at least look semi threatening :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:22:32 PM
Bless Neesy :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Greg on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:23:51 PM


(http://dreamicus.com/data/juggler/juggler-02.jpg)
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Mr Logic on Monday 1 January 2018, 06:25:41 PM
...

:lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Disco on Saturday 20 January 2018, 07:49:10 PM
The new Lothar Matthaus.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Lush Vlad on Sunday 21 January 2018, 10:43:53 AM
I thought he played really well in his anchor man/3rd centre back role. 

As I was saying in the Dummett thread.  Games like that where we barely see the ball, really suit players like him and Dummett.  Not yet good enough at this level to try and do too much with the ball at feet.  I'm not sure either will ever get there.  But solid players for a team like us at the minute.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Sunday 21 January 2018, 03:24:19 PM
From what I saw yesterday he made vital interceptions and clearances in a role that obviously isn’t his role so he did well in that sense, but as a footballer he’s a bit of a nothing player really. He’s not a bad player, just no outstanding attributes to make him worth more than what he is as a regular. He will have a decent career in the Championship or lower level of the PL for someone, but we have to improve on him and most others (you don’t say...) eventually.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 21 January 2018, 04:05:18 PM
As with Dummett, it helped that there was no pressure on him to do anything footballing wise.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 21 January 2018, 04:30:23 PM
Think he's judged harshly bearing in mind its his first season at this level in a team that is collectively not good enough.

Personally think he's done alright and will build on it.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Think he's judged harshly bearing in mind its his first season at this level in a team that is collectively not good enough.

Personally think he's done alright and will build on it.

Aye he's young and very raw, far too soon to write him off yet.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:28:00 PM
Think he's judged harshly bearing in mind its his first season at this level in a team that is collectively not good enough.

Personally think he's done alright and will build on it.

Aye he's young and very raw, far too soon to write him off yet.

He's 2 seasons in to his career. One full one in the Championship with us, half a one with Hull and half a one in the prem this season. He's doing well tbh, nothing spectacular but anyone expecting anything more than what he's shown is mental.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:31:03 PM
Maybe I'm expecting too much. Compared to Jenas for example who came in and bossed an away derby in his first start at 18 years old. I know his fee was probably the equivalent of £17m or something, but still. I don't see him being anything near that quality.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: morla84 on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:31:49 PM
The new James Perch imo
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Altamullan on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:33:07 PM
Think I classify as mental then. Or at least overly optimistic. He is along way off his best years as a holding midfielder. I can see him developing into club captain, even international standard. Or perhaps not, obvs  :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:36:36 PM
Maybe I'm expecting too much. Compared to Jenas for example who came in and bossed an away derby in his first start at 18 years old. I know his fee was probably the equivalent of £17m or something, but still. I don't see him being anything near that quality.

Jenas was an attacking midfielder until he was a few years in then decided to start passing backwards and sideways (an 18-20 year old Jenas was his peak for me) That type of player is always going to have a bigger impact, especially the way we played football back then.

Jenas also had the luxury of playing in an incredible team.

Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Dave on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:40:28 PM
Think he's judged harshly bearing in mind its his first season at this level in a team that is collectively not good enough.

Personally think he's done alright and will build on it.

Agreed. Plenty there worth persevering with IMO.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 21 January 2018, 05:42:15 PM
I can see him developing into a vital versatile squad player, and in this day and age of rotation and big squads, a player like Hayden is gold dust. If and it's a fairly big if, if he can progress as a footballer, he's got the right manager to guide him and he seems very willing to listen and learn.

As a Newcastle fan it's nice to like a player for once, knowing he's not come here to use us as a stepping stone to get a move somewhere else.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 21 January 2018, 06:24:43 PM
Maybe I'm expecting too much. Compared to Jenas for example who came in and bossed an away derby in his first start at 18 years old. I know his fee was probably the equivalent of £17m or something, but still. I don't see him being anything near that quality.
At a time when we were going for a Champions League spot. Totally daft comparison, especially seeing as they play totally different roles.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 21 January 2018, 06:42:57 PM
He's too slow in possession, gets dispossessed too easily, not the best passer beyond 10 yards...I just don't see him being anything other than a poor Premier League/Championship player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: HTT on Sunday 21 January 2018, 06:46:29 PM
He's too slow in possession, gets dispossessed too easily, not the best passer beyond 10 yards...I just don't see him being anything other than a poor Premier League/Championship player.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Twinport53 on Sunday 21 January 2018, 07:02:57 PM
He's too slow in possession, gets dispossessed too easily, not the best passer beyond 10 yards...I just don't see him being anything other than a poor Premier League/Championship player.

Luckily that's our club, so he will fit right in.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiresias on Monday 5 February 2018, 04:06:00 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/05/newcastle-united-food-bank-football-poverty

More from Hayden about the food bank. Good for him. I didn't know Charnley low profile volunteers for it, good for him really.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:34:01 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/isaac-hayden-hands-transfer-request-12915042
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: thenige on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:37:52 AM
Can’t say I blame him. Somehow I feel the family reasons would be less pressing if he was first choice but wish him well at whichever Championship club takes him.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Scoot on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:41:34 AM
So that's another central midfielder we need.

Good luck to him anyway.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:42:17 AM
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Hayden established himself last season as a mainstay in Newcastle’s Premier League starting line-up, having helped them to win promotion and the Championship in 2017.

Ye what?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Menace on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:43:05 AM
Not good enough for the top level, wish him luck on his next adventure.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Big Geordie on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:44:08 AM
I wish him well if he leaves. Good member of the squad and he's never been an ounce of bother since he joined us. :thup: Always find it disappointing when players want to move back south for 'family reasons'. Never hear of it from lads from up here, who have to live elsewhere.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: sadnesstan on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:47:14 AM
That's from the Mirror's chief football writer.  Man he knows his topic.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:47:21 AM
Meh.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:54:22 AM
Looked for a while when he first joined that Arsenal had made a big mistake in letting him go unfortunately just not quite a premiership starting player. Wish him well if he goes though as can’t fault his attitude.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Rich on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:58:28 AM
Not surprised by this, but surprised to see the reasoning. Thought he’d be after first team opportunities.

Solid signing for a top-end Championship team, for sure. Good lad.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:05:33 AM
I didn't think he looked terrible in this league but rather a handy option,  but also never going to be first choice without a significant step up. Needs a replacement, wouldn't hate taking a punt on a relatively cheap prospect
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:08:44 AM
cometh the hour

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9352203.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Newcastle-United-Training-Session.jpg)
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:12:42 AM
Meh.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: andydunc on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:14:47 AM
What will he be worth in today’s market?  £7 million??
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:19:25 AM
Diame claims another victim.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: taxfree on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:26:24 AM
Not surprised by this, but surprised to see the reasoning. Thought he’d be after first team opportunities.

Solid signing for a top-end Championship team, for sure. Good lad.

:thup:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:26:49 AM
Doubt he’ll be worth much more than £4-5m.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:27:42 AM
Shame if there's a personal problem but this is a great chance to make up for Ki replacing Merino. If we can replace Hayden with someone good, it's evened out.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:28:41 AM
Shame if there's a personal problem but this is a great chance to make up for Ki replacing Merino. If we can replace Hayden with someone good, it's evened out.

no chance imo
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:32:52 AM
Like the lad but couldn't care less of him as a player going forward in the PL. Done his bit for us and it's probably best for everyone concerned if he leaves. Great thing is we will sign so many classy players in the coming 4 weeks. Excited about the season... :thup:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:37:24 AM
Reckon this will make us go back in for Ozyakup?
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Bimpy474 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:39:42 AM
Not experienced enough i know but it would be nice to see a Longstaff or another youngster take his place in the squad, as a fourth choice like.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: reefatoon on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:39:54 AM
Reckon this will make us go back in for Ozyakup?

Naa, he’d cost money. We will be trawling  through the free transfer list now, seeing who else we can pick up.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Ikon on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:40:00 AM
Reckon this will make us go back in for Ozyakup?

When did we even "try" for him. Probably just a f*** load of monitoring..
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: LRD on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:40:16 AM
His replacement would likely be another backup midfielder, with two spots between Diame, Shelvey and Ki.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:45:17 AM
Anyway, it's time for Jacky Colback. Hayden's ready-made replacement.

The Colback Comeback.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Disco on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:53:08 AM
Shame. I really like him. Been the perfect pro on the pitch whilst being an absolute gent and role model off it. Hope he gets himself sorted.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Minhosa on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:54:18 AM
Like him. No loss.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:21:52 AM
Kinda forgotten about him a bit tbh. :lol:

Wish him all the best but it forces us into potentially improving the squad. It's doubtful that he was ever going to be anything other than the one-goal-up, keep-it-tight, 75-minute sub, which no one ever wants. He did well in the Championship though and great value for money.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Infinitely Content on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:30:09 AM
Best wishes, Isaac.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:30:12 AM
This is a real shame. I like him and could see him developing into an intelligent player with us. It seemed clear that Rafa had singled him out for his football lessons because he saw that in him.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: HTT on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:38:27 AM
I like Hayden, he has a great attitude and did well for us in the Championship, but I feel he isn’t a PL quality player. I wish him well and hopefully he gets himself a good move.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:39:26 AM
Wasn’t he pictured helping out at a food bank during his time here? Seems like a nice lad and a model pro. Good luck to him, admittedly I also had forgotten about his existence slightly due to the revival of the Diaminator.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: hakka on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:45:52 AM
Hoped he would really mature here, but haven't truly felt he's become PL quality. Probably doing us a favour leaving so we can replace with someone who is. With him and Merino going that's leaving quite a squad gap in DM.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:53:12 AM
Well... Wasn't expecting that, hope the 'family reasons' are too serious, he seems a canny lad

However tbh this does kinda mess things up for Rafa as I think he was pretty happy with Shelvey, Diame, Ki and Hayden.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Infinitely Content on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:53:51 AM
Hoped he would really mature here, but haven't truly felt he's become PL quality. Probably doing us a favour leaving so we can replace with someone who is. With him and Merino going that's leaving quite a squad gap in DM.

Not really, it's just the case of one out, one in. We've already replaced Merino with Ki.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: hakka on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:59:35 AM
Hoped he would really mature here, but haven't truly felt he's become PL quality. Probably doing us a favour leaving so we can replace with someone who is. With him and Merino going that's leaving quite a squad gap in DM.

Not really, it's just the case of one out, one in. We've already replaced Merino with Ki.

Keep forgetting we signed KI. :lol: :thup:

Not so bad then...
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Seymour on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:03:58 PM
Hoped he would really mature here, but haven't truly felt he's become PL quality. Probably doing us a favour leaving so we can replace with someone who is. With him and Merino going that's leaving quite a squad gap in DM.

Not really, it's just the case of one out, one in. We've already replaced Merino with Ki.
Aye but Rafa propably thought after signing Ki his midfield business was done
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: TRon on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:05:06 PM
I like Hayden, he has a great attitude and did well for us in the Championship, but I feel he isn’t a PL quality player. I wish him well and hopefully he gets himself a good move.

This basically. He was a big upgrade on Colback so did a good job for us, but not sure he was ever going to polish the rough edges any further if a few seasons under Wenger and Rafa hadn't done it. Good signing for someone though, probably best all round for him to leave as he wasn't commanding a starting spot here.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Infinitely Content on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:07:35 PM
Hoped he would really mature here, but haven't truly felt he's become PL quality. Probably doing us a favour leaving so we can replace with someone who is. With him and Merino going that's leaving quite a squad gap in DM.

Not really, it's just the case of one out, one in. We've already replaced Merino with Ki.

Keep forgetting we signed KI. :lol: :thup:

Not so bad then...

:thup:

A young/squad player CM would be an adequate replacement for Hayden imo. Nay idea who mind.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Crumpy Gunt on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:10:07 PM
No worries, we have merino....
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: BeloEmre on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:18:51 PM
Brighton prepared to pay £10m according to Rydaaaa.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:25:06 PM
£10m?!?! Holy f***, I thought that was just a joke.

Amazing if true.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:27:03 PM
£10m :lol: 

the cash floating around the game is sending people inssaaaaane at times
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Potentially £20m from Merino and Hayden and another £20m to come from Mitro. All this money for Rafa to use.

:yao:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:29:55 PM
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:31:22 PM
Urgh, a player I like playing for Brighton. Yuck.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:33:08 PM
Brighton is not close to Chelmsford at all. £10m must be the English premium.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Rich on Saturday 14 July 2018, 12:37:28 PM
£10m? Would be pleasantly surprised by anything near that.

As much as it "won't get reinvested" you still want to see us pulling as much in for the departing players as possible.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:04:37 PM
Don’t buy this s*** about wanting to be nearer to home mind the real reason is he knows he is not going to get much game time especially with the signing of Ki. Suppose for him he is more likely to get sympathy to a move by saying that though.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: ElCid on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:05:51 PM
£10m? Would be pleasantly surprised by anything near that.

As much as it "won't get reinvested" you still want to see us pulling as much in for the departing players as possible.

Not if it’s going into that fat c***s pocket I wouldn’t give a f***.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:10:56 PM
It's not just the 'it won't get spent' factor for me, it's also that if it does get spent we'd still be operating in exactly the same market where Hayden is valued at £10m.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:19:02 PM
I'd personally just put Saivet as 4th choice and spend it elsewhere. But then I thought Saivet had more about him than Hayden to begin with.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:21:24 PM
Ki will be off to the Asian Cup for a month in January so we definitely need another CM
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: 54 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:22:02 PM
Potentially £20m from Merino and Hayden and another £20m to come from Mitro. All this money for Rafa to use.

:yao:
If he leaves you should change your name to ShelvyNUFC. :p
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: TRon on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:23:14 PM
£10m's  a fair price I reckon, he's still young and championship clubs are spending that on one player these days.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: TheInfiniteOdyssey on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:23:17 PM
Brighton prepared to pay £10m according to Rydaaaa.

Fantastic, that'll pay for the agent fees for the window then.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Paulie Walnuts on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:31:26 PM
Useful player, always gave his all and by all accounts a nice lad - help out at food banks etc - wish him well.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:43:09 PM
Disappointed at him and Merino for bottling out so quickly. They're at a good club with a world class manager, give it a chance.

Also annoying to have to sign another CM, given we can only talk to one player at once and only send one fax a week.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:58:02 PM
Hell selling Hayden for that fee is no brainer. He’s a good player and young man but seemed to really not kick on as I hoped he would last season. Best of luck to him if he does go.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: George Bailey on Saturday 14 July 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Disappointed at him and Merino for bottling out so quickly. They're at a good club with a world class manager, give it a chance.

Also annoying to have to sign another CM, given we can only talk to one player at once and only send one fax a week.

Agree with this. Disappointing they don't have the belief or desire to stay and work under a manager the calibre of which they may be lucky to find themselves working for again.
Turning out to be quite a shitty transfer window....thus far. We are standing still at best.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Disco on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:00:12 PM
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:05:13 PM
Might be happening soon then. Hope we get a replacement in before Ashley can trouser the cash.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:13:21 PM
I'd like to believe that he does have some exceptional family circumstances and don't think it's fair to label him as a bottler without any facts
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: chopey on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:13:51 PM
I wonder what the exceptional reasons are
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Sima on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:17:13 PM
I wonder what the exceptional reasons are

I don’t think it’s necessary to know if it’s due to family reasons.  I Wish him well for the future.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Si on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:20:07 PM
I wonder what the exceptional reasons are

I don’t think it’s necessary to know if it’s due to family reasons.  I Wish him well for the future.
:thup:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: chopey on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:20:48 PM
But I'm a nosey fucka and I'd like to know
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:21:32 PM
I'd personally just put Saivet as 4th choice and spend it elsewhere. But then I thought Saivet had more about him than Hayden to begin with.
Forgot Saivet still existed. [emoji38]
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:27:01 PM
I guess him and merino gone and Ki not being back yet is why Longstaff and Roberts were brought along.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: sadnesstan on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:27:49 PM
Seems a good lad. Wish him well. I think he needs to be at a level where he can play regularly in order to improve. I expect him to go to some top half championship club. Probably end up back in the premiership in two years.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:56:54 PM
Not massively disappointed, he didn't quite make the step up to this level that I thought he would.

The concern I have is that it's another body we need to replace and we know how successful we are at signing players.

Also think it's canny pathetic of people to doubt his intentions and questioning his reasons. Let's accept it for what it is BUT also let's make sure we don't just sell on the cheap (although not sure how much that matters since Rafa won't see it)
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 14 July 2018, 02:59:06 PM
Big part of our promotion squad but didn't quite make the step up to the PL; he's only 23 though so he will improve. Been fantastic on and off the pitch for us, great lad. Will wish him nothing but the best wherever he goes.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Shearergol on Saturday 14 July 2018, 03:03:25 PM
Meh. Sell all the players
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 14 July 2018, 03:22:44 PM
Surprised we didn't take sangare to Ireland with this in mind.

Bit of a shitter this. He worked hard, got his head down and never  complained being out of the team. Still a fair bit of potential to realise but also wouldn't have been more than a squad player this year.

Scratch another one of the 4 or 5 Benitez wanted off the list if we are replacing Hayden too. We can't handle that amount of deals. Especially at the rate we ship players out, which is always the priority when it comes to incoming vs outgoing.

Heard Catts has sent the feelers out.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: STM on Saturday 14 July 2018, 03:24:12 PM
Why has it taken our journalists 2 days to realise that Hayden isn't in Ireland? f***ing hopeless man.

If he put it in at the start of the window, it just shows how little our journalists know.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 03:41:59 PM
he's probably met a bird down south who likes getting slapped about a bit :lol:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Saturday 14 July 2018, 03:49:37 PM
The fact that he is versatile makes him more difficult to replace. He's a centre midfielder who can cover across the whole defence. That's one of the reasons Rafa bought him in the first place. We're already needing at least a left back, right back and centre back when Mbemba leaves.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Shearergol on Saturday 14 July 2018, 03:59:52 PM
Starting the season with shelvey, Diame and saivet as our only midfielders then?
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:01:16 PM
he's probably met a bird down south who likes getting slapped about a bit :lol:
:lol: Forgot about that.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:01:46 PM
Use the £20m from Hayden & Merino on Badou Ndiaye. Easy.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:03:15 PM
Use the £20m from Hayden & Merino on Badou Ndiaye. Easy.
Or top up whatever cash we have with that £20m and go for Loftus-Cheek. Easy this running a football club lark, like.

:yao:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: BeloEmre on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:03:44 PM
Starting the season with shelvey, Diame and saivet as our only midfielders then?
Ki?
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Shearergol on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:09:12 PM
Starting the season with shelvey, Diame and saivet as our only midfielders then?
Ki?

Oh yeah. Not quite the panic I thought then
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: 54 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:10:37 PM
Arguably Ki could be more of a replacement for Hayden and the money from Hayden and Merino could allow us someone in the vein of Merino as a replacement.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:12:30 PM
would take that £10m for hayden with a massive pinch of salt myself, i'll be amazed if we get more than £5m personally
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: toontownman on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:22:34 PM
I dunno. It's a crazy market. Young, English with premiership experience and potential.  5m is the new 10m. Somewhere in between is likely maybe rising to 10m.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: TRon on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:28:29 PM
would take that £10m for hayden with a massive pinch of salt myself, i'll be amazed if we get more than £5m personally

Why not? He's still young, has a good pedigree and is a decent enough player. No point in selling him for £5m, in today's market that's worthless. We'd be better off keeping him, too bad about his personal situation, we aren't obliged to give away valuable squad members under contract.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 14 July 2018, 04:43:01 PM
Starting the season with shelvey, Diame and saivet as our only midfielders then?
Ki?

Oh yeah. Not quite the panic I thought then
Also Ki won't be fit when the season starts.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: George Bailey on Saturday 14 July 2018, 06:51:47 PM
Starting the season with shelvey, Diame and saivet as our only midfielders then?
Ki?

Oh yeah. Not quite the panic I thought then
:lol:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Wallsendmag on Saturday 14 July 2018, 07:35:26 PM
Let him go. Not good enough anyway.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: STM on Saturday 14 July 2018, 07:41:14 PM
In an ordinary world, getting Hayden moved on would be good but I've no hope in the club's ability to replace him.

The book is literally thrown out the window with our lot. Let's hope we have our fingers in a lot of pies.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 14 July 2018, 07:47:36 PM
I don’t like the idea losing a 22-year old Merino and 23-year old Hayden in the same summer. Particularly when neither had maxed out their ability.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Lenny on Saturday 14 July 2018, 08:51:04 PM
I had high hopes for Hayden at the start of last season, however I thought he was a fair way off the pace throughout and looked out of his depth. Would be harsh to write off such a young player entirely but my gut says he probably won’t see the majority of his career in the top division.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Odear on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:26:26 PM
Why has it taken our journalists 2 days to realise that Hayden isn't in Ireland? f***ing hopeless man.

Probably a bit of the aul racism..

Anyway, back on point, he didn’t add much last year. Out of his depth at the higher level.. he might get there, just not right now which is what we need..
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Si on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:30:23 PM


Why has it taken our journalists 2 days to realise that Hayden isn't in Ireland? f***ing hopeless man.

Probably a bit of the aul racism..

Anyway, back on point, he didn’t add much last year. Out of his depth at the higher level.. he might get there, just not right now which is what we need..

Given we can't afford players we need  "not right now" as well "class now".
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: morla84 on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:39:17 PM
A poor man's Perchinio imo. Won't lose any sleep.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Dokko on Saturday 14 July 2018, 09:54:22 PM
Personally I'm a bit gutted he's going to leave. He's limited however got bags of time on his side to work out the kinks in his game.

Like someone already said, losing him and merino at their ages is largely disappointing regardless of the situations that are out of our control.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:19:45 PM
Personally I'm a bit gutted he's going to leave. He's limited however got bags of time on his side to work out the kinks in his game.

Like someone already said, losing him and merino at their ages is largely disappointing regardless of the situations that are out of our control.
:thup:
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Saturday 14 July 2018, 10:23:36 PM
Balloon going up? Him and Merino leaving in quick succession does little to allay fears of funny goings on.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: nemtizz on Saturday 14 July 2018, 11:50:14 PM
Not really. 2 players that actually want to play football.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Dave on Sunday 15 July 2018, 12:20:44 AM
Personally I'm a bit gutted he's going to leave. He's limited however got bags of time on his side to work out the kinks in his game.

Like someone already said, losing him and merino at their ages is largely disappointing regardless of the situations that are out of our control.

Agreed. Always liked him and seems to be a great lad off the pitch.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Zero on Sunday 15 July 2018, 02:23:14 AM
Best wishes. I believe his reason is genuine and we all know it won't be for something happy.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: midds on Sunday 15 July 2018, 09:26:52 AM
The fact he's put a transfer request in suggests he's probably genuine about wanting to leave to get back down south. He could have moaned and twisted in the press about but the fact he's done it by the book is fair enough. Don't think he's quite good enough for where we are or where we would like to go though. No axe to grind with him, hope he finds a good club, plays regularly and develops as a player, he needs to play every week. Anything north of 5 or 6 million is tremendous.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Sunday 15 July 2018, 09:42:50 AM
Real Shame about him and Merino leaving, both could've been a vital part of our team after getting some time and experience at this level.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 15 July 2018, 09:45:29 AM
my guess is he might become a low-mid level PL player by the time he's in his late 20's but i think he needs a shitload of development both mentally and technically to achieve it
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 15 July 2018, 09:46:43 AM
All a bit meh. If we had anything about us we’d use the Hayden and Merino money to source a quality replacement. Fully expect us to just pocket it.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: sugoinufc on Sunday 15 July 2018, 10:08:21 AM
Personally I'm a bit gutted he's going to leave. He's limited however got bags of time on his side to work out the kinks in his game.

Like someone already said, losing him and merino at their ages is largely disappointing regardless of the situations that are out of our control.

Agreed. Always liked him and seems to be a great lad off the pitch.

agree
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: 1964 on Sunday 15 July 2018, 10:34:57 AM
Yeah, I’d wish him all the best.  Seems like he has a head on his shoulders and a bit of a social conscience
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: STM on Sunday 15 July 2018, 10:37:13 AM
Wonder if he will be selling off his bondage gear.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: OoOGazOoO on Sunday 15 July 2018, 10:40:44 AM
I'm actually quite disappointed about this - I really like him as a player, I don't think he kicked on from the times when he showed a lot of promise, but he is still very young and can progress well.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: Away Day Gadgie on Sunday 15 July 2018, 12:45:52 PM
I like Hayden, he came on leaps and bounds during our Championship season and actually finished it as a key player.  I expected him to do the same in the Prem - start quite slow then grow into it.  Unfortunately he didn’t, maybe because he didn’t get the chance due to Diame’s form.  The way Diame played is the player i expect Hayden to eventually become, he’s definitely got the attributes IMO.  I’ll be sad to lose him, there’s definitely a player there.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: joeyt on Monday 23 July 2018, 02:57:09 PM
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Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: HTT on Monday 23 July 2018, 03:18:01 PM
Probably got a slap off Lascelles, I expect to see him bring his entire family here now and becoming Diame 2.0.
Title: Re: Mirror: Isaac Hayden hands in transfer request for “family reasons”
Post by: reefatoon on Monday 23 July 2018, 03:20:43 PM
He'll be sitting on the subs bench with the bairn in a baby carrier tied around his chest, while the missus is out shopping.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Monday 23 July 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Not arsed if he goes if hes replaced like, hes a grafter and decent in the tackle but s***s himself if he has to find a forward pass.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: Ian W on Monday 23 July 2018, 10:43:44 PM
We can’t really sell him now, little to no chance we’ll be able to find another free midfielder in time.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: sempuki on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 09:55:22 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/NUFC360/status/1022220924232318976
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: xLiaaamx on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 10:02:09 PM
Let him gan if he's that desperate.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 10:05:23 PM
If the rumours are true he's a bit pathetic like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 10:11:03 PM
 What rumours?
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: Mr Logic on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 10:28:41 PM
That report couple of years back where he suggested he would avoid going back to his place because Rafa might be waiting to talk tactics, anyone remember?
Suspected then that wasn't the right attitude, if I was a keen footballer wanting to succeed the chance to listen to Rafa would seem like a gift from heaven to me like.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 10:31:54 PM
That report couple of years back where he suggested he would avoid going back to his place because Rafa might be waiting to talk tactics, anyone remember?
Suspected then that wasn't the right attitude, if I was a keen footballer wanting to succeed the chance to listen to Rafa would seem like a gift from heaven to me like.

:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: huss9 on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 11:33:14 PM
looked a little lightweight last season, and again last night. i know he wasnt match fit and playing out of position at CB, but he didnt impose him self physically.
Title: Re: Isaac Hayden returns to training
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 25 July 2018, 11:35:53 PM
That report couple of years back where he suggested he would avoid going back to his place because Rafa might be waiting to talk tactics, anyone remember?
Suspected then that wasn&